What this (and many other) situations call for is a well-placed, sharply-pointed snarky comment. But that won't work because you might piss off the wrong people. No worries. You can just post it in one of your social networks. But your colleagues became your "friends" at some point. Besides everything you say is indexed in perpetuity. (Hi Google!)
i desperately need to break my dependence. sadly, not much good DAW stuff outside of Windows and Apple stuff. Linux DAWs are woefully wanting so far.
- Joe Silence is not dead
Having just googled DAWs, I'd have to agree. Hopefully that will come in time and through people who have an interest/need pitching in on the development front.
- Joanmarie
Is anyone a brizzly user yet? I thought it was supposed to have some sort of pseudo threading feature that would make twitter conversations followable. - http://brizzly.com/#twitte...
No, I have it, and can't find the difference between it and Twitter proper.
- Matthew DeVries
I like the groups feature, but yeah, in general I agree.
- Joanmarie
The groups feature is cool, but I'm not diving too hard into it since Twitter proper is rolling it's version out within the week, and I don't want to have to do too much re-jiggering.
- Matthew DeVries
When you call the library, please listen when I answer the phone. I answer every call with the name of the library and my name. Why does everyone then ask is this the library?
... because I'm hard of hearing and a poor listener so unless I get a few syllables worth of cues to let me know someone's talking now I won't hear the first few things you say. "Hello and thanks for calling the Central Library, this is Alan. How may I help you?" Would get through better than the previous greeting.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Do you have other smiths? I could use a coffeesmith and a brunchsmith at the moment.
- Joanmarie
A guy comes home to find a stranger standing in his living room. He asks, "Who are you? How'd you get in here?" The stranger replies, "I'm a locksmith. I'm a locksmith."
- Marie is monkeying around
Lol, if you keep this up I may have to do a blog post called, Scoble's top ten people who should be on Twitter's SUL , I think you have about 4 or 6 more to go.
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
I've seen this error in the past 2 years, but never this often. And before, I would get 2 boxes max! Now 2, 3, 4, 5, 6... if I edit long enough. But it only happens about 5-10% of the time. I'm on Mac OS X 10.5.8, Safari 4.0.2, MacBook Pro (old one)
- Mitchell Tsai
Happened to me as well, usually when I hit "edit" very quickly
- alieb
Sames been happening to me also, never seen more than 3 so far but I get errors, frequently.
- Jimminy
Seriously!! this guy's a birther and tried to buy the British title of Lord! This was the best they couild do? An epic failure, indeed!
- Helen Sventitsky
I like my pseudonyms because they let me reflect who I feel like at a particular instant in time, rather than who I was 10 years ago.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
they should have had somewhat of an explanation of how things will work ironed out before announcing
- Tim Hoeck
is there an alternative to FF for us, though?
- WorldofHiglet
The FF folks will switch over and begin working on functionality for Facebook. FF will stagnate. Eventually once Facebook has enough feature to turn off FriendFeed, they'll migrate accounts and shut down.
- Ken Sheppardson
Not yet WoH, some people are working on replicating the original
- Jimminy
If there was an alternative, we would be there.
- Steven Perez
This is one of the saddest days in social networking history.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
So, Scoble led me from Twitter to FF...so who and where should I be led to now?
- David Cook
a propos of nothing- chicken pot pie.
- anna sauce
agree- Johnny, it's nice for them, but then again, I feel there's always been a disconnect between the programmers-who-make-FF and the community
- anna sauce
I want to be happy for them, but it sucks too much right now for me to.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Facebook just kept dumping wheelbarrows full of money in Paul's front yard.
- Ken Sheppardson
why is everyone ok with the idea that 99% of the companies started in the last 10 years the goal is to get "bought" by someone else? This is unique to this generation.
- Adam Turetzky
This is the first time I've ever outlasted a company, wire to wire. I usually leave them. Fark after 8 years, etc.
- Matthew DeVries
For some reason I keep thinking of how AOL users felt back in the day
- anna sauce
My impression was always that they weren't so concerned about economic viability because they had a *huge* runway, and wanted to just grow organically. Today just fundamentally kicked that worldview in the groin.
- Ken Sheppardson
Y'all are forgetting that it's fundamentally about 15 people who just had a truckload of money and resources dropped in their lap. I don't blame them for a second. I'm disappointed, but I don't resent anybody personally.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: how does github work? And is it a legit thing?
- WorldofHiglet
Github is just a source control hosting service. lmorchard is/was active in the microblogging area on a couple projects. I think this is just a PHP project of his.
- Ken Sheppardson
I feel like I was part of some giant beta experiment for the last 1 1/2 years and now that they have what they want, I'm disposable.
- David Cook
It's not a PR disaster. FriendFeed is about as far from mainstream as you can get. This "community" is just a drop in the bucket that is Facebook's userbase.
- Ken Sheppardson
I don't think they care too much about the 'small group of people' that use FF. Facebook is a giant.
- Yolanda
The thing that was wrong to me was the tech press' reaction saying that this place we exist in wasn't worth much, it was the people behind FF that had value. It's the extension of the same old story. Those who aren't here didn't give value to the community here.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I thought that too while reading it... I was like I bet he is just reveling in this.
- Yolanda
Your silver lining just doesn't play Josh - They don't want "us" or need "us" It's all about the technology, we were nothing but an unpaid alpha test, proof of concept
- Matthew DeVries
Louis was, as always, the voice of FF.
- WorldofHiglet
They could've coaxed the community along MUCH MUCH better
- veo
No, there was really no other way to do it... other than maybe some sort of conference call... But TC broke the story, and they had to respond.
- Ken Sheppardson
they're engineers, they don't know how to do it any better, ha
- anna sauce
I wish them well too, but the way this went down and will go down completely blows!
- David Cook
I'm assuming that they know some things we don't know about what changes are about to happen on Facebook. They've already released realtime search.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I'm not just concerned about things going away, I'm also concerned about ownership of my content (some very, very personal in certain places) being transferred to a company with a privacy record that scares me.
- joey
unfortunately I don;t think it maters at all if people leave - it's no longer important
- WorldofHiglet
I don't want to bail early, but I want to bail before my content is unsafe if it isn't going to be safe.
- joey
I've always held that if I don't agree with what a service does, I don't patronize it. By principle, if I stay with the ship, I agree with what they did..
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
I'm not leaving either, but I have to seriously consider how I continue to use the service, and how to stay in touch with people.
- LogEx
Good point joey, what will Facebook do with the Confessions or Bitchbest rooms? <shudder>
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
joey: yes, I want to get my content out first
- WorldofHiglet
OK. ENOUGH! LETS STOP WHINING AND COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS. WHAT DO WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED FROM THE TEAM TO FEEL BETTER? Do we need a timeline, a vision, a promise, a apology, privacy/content pledges?
- veo
Aside from comments streams like this, before I post from now on my basic question is "Would I post this to Facebook?"
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Joey's point is great- their track record with user dat ais BAD
- anna sauce
my point was that in the interview Paul and someone at FB did.. they were flat-out asked 'will FF disappear'... they couldn't answer - which to me is an obvious non-answer.
- Tim Hoeck
They ahve to notify us and give us an option out before migrating to FB
- anna sauce
privacy/content pledges first and foremost. timeline would be nice.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I'm guessing Facebook will ignore us. They won't speak to this community EVER.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Many FF contacts have joined me at FB--now FB is WAY better than it was before.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
They can't combine unless you have linked accounts.
- LogEx
I wish so much shit hadn't gone down in my life today. I haven't had a spare moment to read the blog post, listen to the interview or anything.
- Spidra Webster
They have to ask us first- I've been involved in other mergers
- anna sauce
Wait a minute...I said Impromtu chat...and I went to bed...There's a FFundercats goin on? LOL
- Bill Heslin
WHAT ABOUT THE MOO CARDS????? :(:(:(:(:(
- Outsanity
Ken - does your steak routinely ask what your digestion intentions are, after it's in your duodenum?
- Matthew DeVries
Large corps who acquire the properties of user data, have to do this, by law
- anna sauce
It better be some kind of opt-in, though. Something I have full control over. Anything other than that and I'm getting the posse together..LOL
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
If that's true, then there's really only one thing to do: find a way to backup our accounts.
- Steven Perez
I suppose everything you post on the Internet is searchable in reality, but I don't want to necessarily have my FF stuff linked to me on FB
- WorldofHiglet
if there's a wizard, it damn well better have a pointy hat with stars
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Matthew: My point is I don't want to be a Facebook user, and if that's the path we're on, I'll be stepping off. The ball is in their court if they want to convince me to stick around.
- Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed has a detailed API that can probably be ported to FB. You could probably also get all your shit out of it using that same API. I'm sure there are developers working on that right now.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
What I need to do is figure out a way to control how various user lists on facebook see my content. My family doesn't need to see the type of shit I post to services like this.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Ken is right. Josh, that is just bad talking there.
- Matthew DeVries
A good point was just made - what IS going to happen to all the stuff I wrote here, before Facebook suddenly bought it? Well, that's what you get for providing free content to someone else's web site I guess.
- Ciaoenrico
I think FB is only interested in the 'how'. The 'what' is rubbish for them.
- Yolanda
These are different universes... they don't combine.
- LogEx
Not sure if you guys noticed, but Facebook already implemented Lists.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
It would make sense if FB simply doesnt care about the database, just the technology in general. and the talent for future projects/features.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
What's going to happen with FriendFeed content is the same thing that happened to Pownce and Jaiku content.
- Ken Sheppardson
I agree with scoble that FF will be the R&D department for FB.
- Bryan Lee
What about content you've shared here that can't be legally shared on facebook and is of much higher profile when it's on facebook instead
- Adam Turetzky
Yeah, WoH. I wasn't happy that my FF material had been taken out of FF. But for those who are worried about their FF history, I'm saying there might be other places where it's cached.
- Spidra Webster
But how do we use them, Sheen? I've been having a hell of a time using them.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Josh, you're right, I am most sad when I think about it from a FF perspective.
- LogEx
I think best of breed is the wrong them. They will take what they want, but making Facebook best of breed is highly unlikely. I think FF founders will quit FB within a year because they are fed up with the company. FB will have gotten what they wanted by then.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
Facebook doesn't really do RSS very well, so how would they transfer all our linked accounts?
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Maybe an open version of facebook is coming?
- Glenn Slaven
I prefer my podcasts dispassionate and off topic. Geez.
- joey
what if Facebook brings in all accounts easily to FF and keep their main interface separate? it would still suck though bringing that group in
- Rodfather
I've seen a few people say "who cares?" about this buyout... I'm like.. HELLO? I care... Why the hell are you even here if you don't like this place?
- Yolanda
When AJ or Mitchell asked what alternative place people might go, just about everyone said that they knew of no real alternative. It's not like we can set up our tent elsewhere without losing a lot of features.
- Spidra Webster
They gave you a month to download your data in an xml file and then the whole thing disappeared and they absored the people and the IP into 6apart
- Adam Turetzky
They did offer the ability to export your data as a big ass XML file.
- Mark Krynsky
Not everyone will jump to the same service.
- Lindsay
Yeah the engineers of FF will leave after their buyout period ends, and then they'll start another app, but by then we'll all have moved on.
- anna sauce
That'c lose, Johnny. The feeling is similar, loosing people that you've become close too.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I said earlier... it is like Senior Year in high school.
- Yolanda
anna they just purchased their developers similar to the friendfeed purchase
- Bryan Lee
Unlike a lot of folks, I've actively maintained my FB account and added a lot of friends and family over the last year. I did so as a hedge against FriendFeed.
- Christopher Harley
They went for the cash, which is OK, but sucks for us the customers
- anna sauce
FF turned $5M into $50M... I would have done the same thing.
- Internet's Tad
What would be slick is a utility that grabbed all the feeds beloinging to your FriendFeed subscriptions and generated an OPML file you could import into Google Reader.
- Ken Sheppardson
Agreed, Tab. But if it'd been Google, i'd be happy. FB, not so much.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I loved Pownce until it sucked too bad to use.
- Internet's Tad
Johnny- re: beta testers - yes it makes it a little more "salt in the wound"
- anna sauce
Jeff++, I want a piece of that fat buyout money. BAAAAAAAALLLLIIIIIIIIN!
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
"Obviously I can't provide a lot of detailed plans and guarantees, but I can tell you that I'll do my personal best to ensure that the FriendFeed users and community are treated right. I love this product too, and don't want to see it disappear." - Paul B.
- LogEx
They were "fattening us up for the slaughter" so to speak.
- Bryan Lee
The worth to Facebook is not the community at Friendfeed. It is taking the competing developers out of the competition equation early, whilst they can still be bought cheaply.
- Michael W. May
I'll believe it when I see it. Proof is in the pudding, not in the empty promises.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Any replacement won't be the same. We can't get the band back together. We'll just have to say: do you remember when and that's that.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
to me FB is existing relationships, FF is new ones
- anna sauce
i think Matt is trying to tell us something
- Outsanity
We're coming in tomorrow, H.R. will be cleaning out our desks and security will be taking our name badges
- Matthew DeVries
I'm working on my vanity site, but it's silly to put it up here now. Anyone jumping ship can hit me on tina.p.beana at the gmail.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
are you going to get Louis back on Friday?
- WorldofHiglet
I feel sad because this is my 2nd FFundercats live podcast. :(
- Bryan Lee
I have hopes that FB will be bettered by this but OTOH I have slim hopes that the FF product I love will remain. That's my frustration, is all.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
@Ryan, first mistake is using an unfiltered social network in a public place. :-D But we're sorry for flooding your stream with boobies.
- Jason Huebel
For so many of us, though, there's a huge disconnect between our FB people and FF people. It's very dichotomous (at least, for me). Two very different worlds.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I didn't need to picture that, Johnny....
- WorldofHiglet
My FB people are work and family... yes, I've added some FF folks but my activity is on FF.
- Yolanda
@Tina, definitely. My FF friends are almost completely different than my FB friends. And frankly, FB is just a glorified contact list for me.
- Jason Huebel
K guys, need to go to bed, and the sound is shot. Thanks for broadcasting tonight.
- Matthew DeVries
It's not a question of trusting Paul et al, the issue is Facebook.
- Ken Sheppardson
Louis, your turn on scrabble. Oh yeah, I don't like FB. Wait, I like Scrabble... hmmm.
- anna sauce
Take a small innovative team and put them in a large bureaucratic environment and watch them die. Sorry but I've seen that happen. It's not the devs that cause the problems it's the suits. They now need to worry about their features being monetizeable.
- Mark Krynsky
Based on Paul's comment, it would be awesome if they Open Sourced FF. But I don't see that happening.
- Jason Huebel
This is as good as the audio from the Apollo mission.
- Spidra Webster
Josh, you could always switch to Coke Zero.
- Jason Huebel
Comment from Paul "Eric, my schedule is still a little uncertain at the moment, but I'd be glad to appear on a future FFundercats." http://friendfeed.com/paul...
- Glenn Slaven
You'd have to quit your Diet Coke podcast
- Andrew Smith
might as well choose Diet Coke.. we are all doomed! :P
- Tim Hoeck
I will give a NYC hellooooo to FB...I'll be punked on the street
- Bill Heslin
hey I just wanna be friends, no feeding frenzy. have facebook, well estabilshed on twitter and don't really feel like getting into pissing contests. in fact I don't do such things. Would love some help. Am glad we're friends. And what Rodney King said. badumpdah lisbethwest
- lisbethwest
watching Lost, illegally downloaded from Mininova.
- Mark
Looking through my Twitter stream. Bwana linked a Feedface pic (from here) and I thought it was a joke.
- Jed
Strangely enough, I was listening to the theme from Jaws on Pandora. It may have contributed to my initial feelings of doom at reading this news.
- Mary DeSive
I was checking FriendFeed while compressing a new video for my road trip website, http://TheHardestYear.com ... Is it comment spam if it's true? :)
- John
from iPhone
worrying about things that actually affected my life
- Cody Heitschmidt
Pinching myself, hoping to wake up from a terrible nightmare ;)
- Lyndon Washington
Actually, I should be sleeping now(2:30am here) but everyone's awake due to the news of possible earthquake. I, have already got my first jolt(this news.) .
- अभिषेक(Abhishek) Das
from fftogo
I was coding a website where you could like connect with old friends and stuff and also do like realtime searches on peoples updates
- Mads Kristiansen
i was just about to get oo of work, and checked in to FF just before leaving and it's pretty apparent that this wasn't a joke after the first 10 FF items
- Chris Heath
A co-worker was demoing his Kindle for me and he happened to page through something that said that Facebook bought Friendfeed.
- Jeff Smith
what's twitting? .... oh, you mean tweeting... gotcha
- Chris Heath
I was watching paint dry - it seemed more exciting at the time ;)
- Rich White
Sitting in a train, in commute to work, one of the first thing was a comment in my inbox on an old Scoble thread from someone who led me on to the news.
- Morten Blaabjerg
lol - I was just thinking that tweetdeck was the most long lasting of my 'new favorites' for sometime
- James Stanbridge
"I've never been a big fan of sweet potatoes and yams. I've tried to like them, and I've tasted them in many different forms, but my tastebuds just don't like them. It's a shame, because they're loaded with so many nutrients. I'm also not a fan of coffee, which is probably a good thing as I don't have to deal with caffeine cravings and withdrawals! I kind of wish I liked it, because it seems to be such a big part of our culture. What about you? Which foods or drinks do you wish you liked more?" By Kathryn Hill
- Nurse Katie
from Bookmarklet
Wish I could get passed my issues with tomatoes and mushrooms.
- Nurse Katie
I have mushroom issues too! Part of my issue is that I'm allergic to some mushrooms, but I don't know which ones due to my other mushroom issue, namely, mushrooms are all kinds of nasty. The reason I wish I could get over my mushroom problem is that I'm a vegetarian and a lot of restaurants with few vegetarian choices often have things like "portabella burgers". *sigh* :-)
- Joanmarie
Occasionally, though not often, I might make a comment that offends certain folks. But I don't worry about it all that much because it's my timeline and you can opt out. Likewise, I don't get all that worked up if you inadvertently offend me because it's your timeline and I can opt out. I think email signatures are different.
I don't throw my left-wing, vegetarian, agnostic/non-religious views in your face on a discussion list. Please afford me the same courtesy. The list is about technology; not religion (or politics or anything else).
- Joanmarie
This assumes a standard cost of $25k a year now (maybe high)... but if it is true, that means Matthew and Sarah (assuming no more kids) will be about $2.5M to get their diplomas in 4 years.
- Louis Gray
tell them to start working towards the scholarships now!
- Rachel Lea Fox
One plan would be to buy a home, let it accrue value (maybe) and then sell it as they go to college and we move to Idaho. :)
- Louis Gray
Your numbers are off abit Louis, it's still ridiculous but it's only $294,000 for all 4 years combined, x2 for Sarah and Matthew. http://bit.ly/5eNBs
- Jimminy
Well, as Lucille Bluth would say, They spent their inheritance getting here. I think that counts towards college funds too.
- Andrizzle Gizzle
True, Jimminy, phew. I had assumed per year.
- Louis Gray
It's still kind of ridiculous considering even todays rates.
- Jimminy
Maybe things will be better by then. I don't mean this in a Pollyannaesque fashion; quite the opposite really. Enormous parts of our society are unsustainable if things continue as they are. Something has got to give (and soon)....
- Joanmarie
Louis, you know lots of smart people. Just apprentice the kids out to someone. :)
- Spidra Webster
I'm hoping Joanmarie is right. Until then, Andrea G gets bonus points for referencing Lucille Bluth.
- Rochelle
Rochelle, I believe Joanmarie is right, I did some analysis right before I left school that suggested the next 5-10 years the Education Bubble would burst, which puts it 2-3 bubbles away, definitely after the Higher-Income Housing bubble that appears to be coming in the next 6-12 months.
- Jimminy
Almost hate to mention it, but a degree often takes more than four year to earn, these days.
- Kathy Fitch
Highly suggest a CC for the first two years if you have a student who doesn't earn a scholarship of some sort.
- Kathy Fitch
Holden, I think you're right about that. Bachelors keeps you even, Masters can give you an edge. Heck, maybe you'll earn a Ph.D.!
- Kathy Fitch
What, you don't *want* to be the First Dr. God of FF? I'm aghast.
- Kathy Fitch
Lindsey, I sure do hope you're right. What are you studying?
- Kathy Fitch
That sounds like a totally awesome major--fascinating and useful. I bet you will have a shot at some internships, eventually, and that will help you check the "two years of experience" box.
- Kathy Fitch
Or you could do like I did and start teaching your kids from age 1. My son got a full academic scholarship and is starting his third year at UCF soon! Of course I still have to pay for his room and board but hey, it's better than having to pay for the whole thing!
- Tammy Hoeck
He became very good with Math, hence he is going for a major in Mechanical Engineering and a minor in Aeronautical Engineering. His teachers wanted to skip him two separate times but I wouldn't let him, he wasn't emotionally mature enough. Now, I wish I did.
- Tammy Hoeck
Louis; there are ways of offsetting the cost. One way would be through a Variable Universal Life policy. You'll need to check this out, but I believe the kids might be eligible for their own policies as well. If so, it would be like having an IRA from birth. 18 years of compounded interest adds up. Contact your accountant or agent for advice. There are expenses and fees that an experienced agent can explain to you.
- Michael Fidler
From my own experiences so far, college is expensive. Protip: Avoid student loans like the plague.
- Nick Humphries
I have a premonition...it will get weird again exactly one week from now, around the same time.
- Bruce Lewis
Joanmarie, I would like to personally invite you to the FFundercats podcast, broadcast weekly on Friday evenings at 9 eastern, 6 pacific. Near the end of the podcast, when we start talking about a "moment of win" I would like to see you post along with everyone else, because it is fun. You can check out the podcast and info about at http://ffundercats.com . We hope to see you there :)
- Josh Haley
I could explain the whole connection to me and my beard but best you just listen :)
- Johnny Worthington
Thanks guys. I will definitely check it out!
- Joanmarie
"(You hear a similar message when you call in to hear your own messages. "You. Have. 15. Messages. To listen to your messages, press 1." WHY ELSE WOULD I BE CALLING?) I, the voicemailbox owner, cannot turn off this additional greeting message. You, the caller, can bypass it, but only if you know the secret keypress--and it's different for each carrier. So you'd have to know which cellphone carrier I use, and that of every person you'll ever call; in other words, this trick is no solution. These messages are outrageous for two reasons. First, they waste your time. Good heavens: it's 2009. WE KNOW WHAT TO DO AT THE BEEP."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
oh, please, oh, please, let the power of Pogue finally banish this bullshit.
- edythe
Between this and all those seeds in lemons, I have only two pet peeves in life. I was pleased to learn that Sprint now allows you to configure outgoing voice message to bypass all the crap and go straight to the beep.
- jcunwired
I hate having my time wasted, but this issue doesn't bother me. The way I communicate with most people is text (sms, email, IM, twitter, etc.). "Good heavens: it's 2009" indeed. Voicemail is passé. :-)
- Joanmarie
I always wondered if there was some reason why those messages are so long.
- Noah Belson
early on they were long a) on the voicemail owner side, because they were charging for the time you listened b)on the message leaver side, because we did need those seconds to prepare the message in our head and not leave lots of "errr..."
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I find the prompts helpful because I don't use voicemail all that often (I stick to text as much as possible), but the process probably could be simplified.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
@John - the instructions haven't stuck in your mind yet?? Hmmm, starting to understand your handle now :)
- jcunwired
I need the beeps. If I bother to make a phone call, chances are I'll be distracted or forget that I've made a call. The beep help reminds me, otherwise there'll be seconds of dead air and then, "...OH!...I..uh...[wracks brain to remember who I called]..."
- Admiral Anika
'When you think "Broken Social Scene covering Joy Division's 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'," you probably imagine something hazy and beautiful and waltz-y and tortured. And that's exactly what the revamp...sounds like.'
- Akiva Moskovitz
from Bookmarklet
I am almost afraid to listen to it, as that song is so sacred to me.......but I will of course!
- Kevin J Hatton
I might could get used to (but not necessarily like) this cover if I weren't familiar with the original. But my initial reaction is a thumbs down.
- Joanmarie
Of all the remakes of this song I've ever heard, this one I think is the best.
- Akiva Moskovitz
How old do I feel now......................lol
- Kevin J Hatton
Meh... I like their take on the music, but the vocals are wince-worthy. Of course, I don't really get Joy Division to begin with and never much cared for the song ;)
- Michael W. May
MWM, I actually really appreciated the vocals as they're in the style of the original without sounding like parody.
- Akiva Moskovitz
*nod* agreed, which is why they make me wince *ducks* :P
- Michael W. May
I will follow you on FriendFeed. Why here? Because I can put people into lists. On Twitter I don't have that ability. What's wacked is I actually read a lot more people's stuff on FriendFeed than I ever did on Twitter. I think the real fuss is due to those jerks who did autofollowing schemes to help people get lots of followers artificially. That and SEO types who only are in it for the game of getting more followers and links.
- Robert Scoble
I got my first official "Unfollowing you for not following back" @ reply today... Weird people, especially if you try to sell things - which the person who send me that is trying.
- Holger Eilhard
hahaha, it's all rather hilarious really. No one else I know in the world, in person, cares about any of this junk tho :(
- Mark
You know, some people consider "following" as an active form of politeness : fail, they didn't get the networking concept at all. Some other don't get the concept of "spring cleaning" either. So, I can understand that some people don't understand the concept of "social network spring cleaning"...
- Zackatoustra
Yeah, I know. Here's his Tweet: http://twitter.com/webaddi... -- he claims I'm gaming my way to more followers (he's autofollowing too, so isn't that like the kettle calling the pot black?) Plus he's an SEO expert.
- Robert Scoble
Holger: yeah, it's amazing that people think that's cool. If those folks ever move over here to FriendFeed then I'll know it's time to move on.
- Robert Scoble
Some expert, his website was last updated with a social media post in May
- Mark
It's getting to the point one has to go for quality over on Twitter, not quantity, now.
- George Hall (Australia)
There must be a social media expert School around here someplace.
- Mark
And then there's all this "Pay us for followers" thing going on... In various ways, either by being featured on a "big" website or - the really stupid way - by being followed by some bots, which will be deleted sooner or later...
- Holger Eilhard
I did the unfollow thing once on Twitter because I couldn't read all the noise, then, I added a bunch of people back because I convinced myself that I shouldn't read all the noise. Now, I'm leaning towards a lean following list again. Thanks for the boost.
- Adam
Well, @JeffreyHayzlett is one person who still thinks following back is a polite thing to do.
- K N Ajit Narayan
Interesting, not a single new FriendFeed user has joined this comment area. I'm already following everyone who has commented here. So, I guess the migration is already complete.
- Robert Scoble
Hmmm - its this type of effort to evade the bots that makes me things may all break down into a soup of failure. Why can't the follow system only actually *follow* someone if there's a two-conversation at least once?
- Justin Howard
K N: the thing is I know that person is NOT reading your Tweets. there's no way he can, especially if he's a busy executive.
- Robert Scoble
Well Sir Robert of Scoble, you did say a while back Friendfeed growth has stagnated but all other social sites are growing exponentially :(
- Mark
Mark: that is true, but Facebook is doing it by getting normal people to join up. Twitter is doing it because of celebrities. FriendFeed's growth will be slower and more organic.
- Robert Scoble
Mark...don't worry, I think Friendfeed could still catch up. Especially if people are finding Twitter needs too much spring-cleaning too often.
- George Hall (Australia)
Robert: What's the difference for you with following x thousand people on FF but not on Twitter? Are you using the Hide feature much and/or do you use many lists? Sorry, if this has been asked over and over.
- Holger Eilhard
George: that's true. If FriendFeed hits the right UI they could really take off well.
- Robert Scoble
Holger: I use lists. I need to do a video explaining my new methodology. But generally the smaller lists are more useful. Same on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
well they have plenty of smart people working at FF
- Mark
If (when) twitter releases Group support, you will have to go back and start all over again rob :D
- Mark
Robert: I don't think FF is that far away now from hitting its critical mass to take-off. That spammer situation on Twitter is starting to make it less joyful to use.
- George Hall (Australia)
Mark: nope, I'll be in a great position! My first group is already complete. :-)
- Robert Scoble
God those spammers are annoying, I was reporting them to @Spam from the public timeline yesterday. Twitter seems to act on @Spam very quickly
- Mark
Robert: The UI is a major problem with FF. I still don't feel like using it. Only @Scobleizer brings me back to FF :(
- K N Ajit Narayan
We were following the Cricket match with the #ashes tag and the fucking spammers were including it too so it was ruining the experience
- Mark
Heck, if the situation on Twitter is such I can safely trim/block around 400-500 people, it means it isn't really that valuable in the long term.
- George Hall (Australia)
Mark: yeah, spam noise in search really makes things suck. In FriendFeed you can search by groups. That is so freaking cool.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hmm, Grasslands looks better. Will give FF another chance.
- K N Ajit Narayan
There is something about destroytwitter.com client that has me not use FriendFeed more though... I really like a skinny window sitting on the desktop that i can glance at occasionally :) re the unfollow thing - I get lots of randoms following me that I'm not going to follow back - don't interest me
- Nicholas Orr
In terms of enjoyable experience, I think I've enjoyed this past week here on Friendfeed a bit better than I enjoyed the Twitter experience in the same period. The gloss is really starting to come off Twitter itself, although a lot of my social media friends are there.
- George Hall (Australia)
Why would you want someone who would not be able to see your posts to follow you? Numbers?
- Anton Tanderup
Mark, yeah, that was true, a couple of times.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I think you do such a great job about discussion the "new tech" and trends and now trying to bring the tech stuff to small business. I thought you followed so many people becasue they could lead you to something new stuff you have not seen or ware of. What has changed? do you have new sources that can keep you updated? I assume as you said before FF is enough for that ..right? Joao/Techfuga
- TechFuga
I'll venture a guess Twitter's own spammer purge showed us all something about the follower lists we hadn't noticed before.
- George Hall (Australia)
Anton: why wouldn't a follower be able to see you? I don't get that.
- Robert Scoble
I always thought it was great that you followed me, but I don't think I offer that much in the way of "value." :-) So I'm not put out.... Seriously.
- Joanmarie
Joanmarie: I follow you here already.
- Robert Scoble
One other thing: you should get a return on your investment/time..I hope you already do with RackSpace :). By the way we changed all our hosting architecture to Cloud at RackSpace thanks to you and thanks to me following you here in FF. we are very very happy ...please tell that to your boss at RackSpace....Joao/Techfuga
- TechFuga
Robert: If he's following 100k people :)
- Anton Tanderup
Robert - This is what I was getting at yesterday; even though you might not follow me on Twitter, I know you'll see - and respond to, when appropriate - any comments I make here on FF, so I'm not "missing out" by you not following me.
- Andrew Terry
I always wondered how you made sense of a 10k+ person stream, Robert.
- Tech Introvert
Tech: big screens and FriendFeed. That took most of my attention over past 18 months. Now I saw that Twitter really was a chore and wasn't fun because of all the spam. Now it's a lot nicer.
- Robert Scoble
I get so much more information from friendfeed, and I follow significantly less people.
- Jordan Patterson
Lists are very powerful in lieu of better information tagging tools. Search is even stronger but requires me manually poking around
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
You finaly got me to sign up - I resisted this long. In my head I guess i was getting my head round twitter, last thing I needed was to get my head round twitter 2.0 aswell.. but it ocured to me, the worst case, is its like a client for twitter, and a post you did a few days ago, sugested, maybe using twitter as a client for FF.. Anyway, can't hurt to have a go, can it!
- Nathan Vingoe
I feel the same as Joanmarie. I'm not likely to be the one to break new tech news, so don't know that my tweets contribute much value to Robert's stream. Pretty sure I can just @scobleizer if I really feel like I'm on to something. I constantly try to keep my follows lean, and spend way too much time checking out new followers who I have no idea why they follow me.
- motownmutt
I don't see much spam at all on Twitter, but that may be because I follow maybe 1 person for every 30 or so that follow me (300:9000). I think spam is the result of "courtesy" following if someone follows you - in other words, you cause your own spam.
- Trent Hamm
Not everybody who is involved with SEO is just using Twitter for followers. Some are professional online marketers with an interest in tech.
- Paul M Evans
from iPhone
I keep playing Sam Jackson from Pulp Fiction in my head, "Say SEO (or Social Media Expert) one more time mutha-******"!
- Shaun Hess
thanks for the follow robert .. hope you and the family are doing well , greetings from canada
- johnpiercy
Hey robert. How is the experiment working out??????
- Roberto Bonini
I posted this two days ago (But I'm not Scoble so very few saw): So if you follow someone on Friendfeed, should you unfollow them on Twitter? Why not?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
scobleizer has been following me here on ff ever since i started participating... i was very flattered, until i learned that he just followed everyone
- Chris Heath
Appreciate Scoble's embrace of innovative & effective ways to communicate, including video, which we're all about. We've been kind of obsessing over your work lately on http://www.market7.com/blog and hope we'll have opportunity to meet again soon (last time was at Salt Lick in Austin) -- next time hopefully over our web service for better video production instead of an awesome plate of ribs
- Market7
I really don't see Twitter and FriendFeed as having the same uses. I use twitter to communicate with my real life friends, for the most part. FF is more about conversations on things that interest me. Sure, some of my RLFriends are here, and I follow them, but that's not the primary use I get from FF.
- Otto
Looking forward to joining the conversation here too...
- Brian Baumley
Im gonna use the Screen Door Analogy ,, I recently put the Screendoor on my Twitter "the lock on my account " it allows me to control all the bugs coming in and I still get all the fresh air and the same view
- johnpiercy
The ability to put people on lists here on Friendfeed makes it very easy to use it for real friends and as a way to keep up with other interesting people and thus seems to me that it's just a matter of time before it replaces twitter if people really use that feature.
- russellcoleman
I think Samuel is the first person I've seen that uses Twitter as a real life friend system (instead of Facebook) and FriendFeed as the wide open conversation tool. Usually I see Friendfeeders were/are wide open Twitter users as well (the gateway drug). I'm sure there are more using the tools that way, I just find that perspective interesting.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
FF is great for those who like to share visually as well as converse ,, Twitter is the quick water cooler chat , FF is the dinner time chat
- johnpiercy
I think the problem for some people is that they want a higher number of followers and so may not want to unfollow people—even if they are just spammers. Personally I'd rather have a smaller network of people following me who are actually interested in what I post on Twitter. (And who actually read their Twitter messages at least once in a while.)
- David Rondeau
Hi Robert! I follow you on twitter and FF. I like to keep up with you since I'm an avid social media user and new media content producer. @marylynn3 here & on Twitter.
- Mary-Lynn
You better be following me, is all I can say :-) Course, I'm on Friend Feed too.
- Jay Rosen
Robert, I continue to be amazed at how you do what you do, across what, 20 different social media channels? When do you sleep exactly? Would be great if you could add me to your follow list, thanks
- Scott Booher
If someone follows me on Twitter, I read every profile, the stream, their profile/blog link, and then decide. It does take time, (& I follow a bunch), but worth it to me. I like to read what great minds are thinking. On Twitter however, the increase in Spammers has really driven me to look for better ways to engage. I hate housecleaning.
- Karen Masullo
On Twitter I usually first follow lots of people and sort them out later - tweet by tweet. I also follow more than 2k people on FriendFeed, and it's fun! If it gets to much for you: The group function will help. Greets from Germany! :-)
- Kolja
I really only read anything on FF. I go follow people on Twitter and then update from FF. That's the extent of my twitter interactions. I have one problem though: you can't insert a line break on these comments, so I inadvertently post before I'm finished. Btw, I don't mind if you don't follow me since I'm a bit boring. Your posts, on the other hand, are like mini conversations; It's awesome!
- Californian
Mark Nielsen: I use Facebook as a real life friend system too. Realistically, I think of Twitter much more in the way I think of TXT messaging. Because that's obviously the underlying design principle there: Broadcast SMS Messages. So, on that level, I tend to only want to receive the text messages of people I know and of services I use. This limits who I follow to those that I want to have two-way conversations with, which tends to be people I know IRL.
- Otto
You know, I haven't even checked to see if you follow me anymore or not. I think people will just get over themselves and make social media work in whatever way is best for them. I'm trimming out the SEO junk from my time line, but I find value in following real people on Twitter be it 100 or 600. It's not fair to call people 'noise', just trim out the people you're not interested in keeping up with and be done with it. Right?
- Mike Lewis
If someone follows me, I look at this as an opportunity to see what they write about (be it on Twitter or Friendfeed). If they are funny or interesting, I follow back. But if they don't continue to be interesting or funny, I unfollow. There's just too much information and I want to absorb some of it - and not waste time or brain cells on the uninteresting (or unfunny).
- amygeek
I agree Robert. I tend to read much more of the posts and comments out there in FF than I ever did/do/would on Twitter. I love Twitter's simplicity, but it's a bit too simple sometimes--mostly on the sharing side of the thing. The Like and Comment features are my faves for both FF and Facebook.
- Hans Eisenman
"If those folks ever move over here to FriendFeed then I'll know it's time to move on" LOL :) I god a kick out of that one. :)
- Frode Stenstrøm
Cyber-sixty-niners are just a quite popular way to proclaim brain amputation. Reminds me of a self-sucking Ron Jeremy ... I mean, can't for the sake of common sense in social media those attention whores leave the InterWeb alone? Doh!
- Sebastian
That idea that Twitter would replace RSS last what? A month? I have never seen such an overrated tool/website/platform. ;P (Not that I don't use it, mind you, hehe.)
- Marcos
Note what could be the next competitive frontier for Google vs Apple and Google vs Microsoft for mobility and search in The Genome Based Economy.Jack M. Germain in TechNewsWorld, http://www.technewsworld.com/story... on the stunning development that Genomics moves to PDAs, at the very moment that Google clashes with Apple on mobiles, and Google and Microsoft confront each other...
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- Suzanne Matick
I'm thinking that I might have to start giving my FriendFeed account much more attention. On Twitter I have 2 orders of magnitude less followers than you Robert, but even for me the spam is starting to get a bit ridiculous. It does seem to be becoming a haven for spammers & scammers and not the networking place that I really enjoyed for quite a while. If Twitter doesn't want to die before it reaches maturity, it really needs to find a way to control spam & find a way to build community in new ways.
- David van Sunder
<chuckles> scobleizer does a mass unfollow and it generates some decent discussion on the negatives of twitter. Its almost fun watching the people who follow you promptly unfollow you a week later because you didnt follow back.. for about a week. I keep saying it would be good to add a meta layer to twitter (or maybe friendfeed would do it?) that allows for some context or grouping. Not everyone wants to see all of someone's tweets.
- Riaz Kanani
Well I'll give you this Robert, at least you do still "listen" and respond. :P First of all, I am not calling the kettle black because my point was that due to you autofollowing everyone & then unfollowing them all that was gaming the system. Just as you didn't have time to follow every single person following you, I don't either. Of course I auto follow. I don't see anything wrong with...
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- Joel Mackey
Joel: if I am gaming explain how I lost 7,000 in one day.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I am so glad I am a nurse and I earn an honest living doing something important. I would be ashamed if I "earned" my living helping people get higher ranked on google.
- Mark
I hear you loud and clear Robert. I'm not saying you aren't taking a major hit & will probably continue to see that come your way for a few days. I see your loss & a majority of it is probably autounfollows, LOL, ah the cycle of automation. Listen Robert, I'm really not taking a shot at you, just voicing my opinion & feelings that due to you participating in autofollow for a very long...
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- Joel Mackey
Mark: I'll respond to you once because you seem to think you have a grasp on who I am. I'd like to set you straight real quick before you get that good feeling inside of you thinking you are making any sense or good points at all. Just because I can do SEO does not mean that is what I do for a living. I have a programming degree & do a ridiculous number of things. Just because I'm not...
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- Joel Mackey
Mark: Sweet. No problem. You're always entitled to your opinion. Hope your day gets better. Nurses deserve to be paid better & get more respect. You've got mine but I also admire that you apologized. That's rare in this world. :P Take care buddy.
- Joel Mackey
This is a long post so I need to check I get it, "gaming googles SEO gaming isnt gaming on the autofollow gaming game of Friendfeed gaming twitter game?
- Robert Higgins
Joel: I disagree. I had a very large following before I even turned on autofollow. And I don't have autofollow turned on here and I have a very large following. I never got into using TweetDeck for groups. If anything I use FriendFeed for that. Anyway, your point that autofollowing increasing followers is right, but as I have demonstrated once you unfollow all those people go away. They...
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- Robert Scoble
I've ALWAYS said who you follow is more important than who is following you. Now I'm putting that into practice even more. If you're following me just to have me follow you back you're following me for the wrong reason.
- Robert Scoble
It really doesn't matter what social network you using there are going to be a group that you connect and interact with regularly and the rest of your following. My reach is farther than what I see everyday, then again maybe I have just fallen for the hype.
- Dawn Pigoni
Agreed, never follow just for the follow back. As for the inability to put people on lists on Twitter, there are twitter clients that work just as well.
- Brian Ellis
Robert's right. I'm almost a fanatic about that.
- Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as necessary to follow someone both on Twitter and Friendfeed. Although I generally like to catch what you have to say, Robert , so I follow you on both services.
- Martha
One I use is Twibes. I never liked that Twitter itself doesn't have a groups function.
- Dennis Jernberg
I use T-Deck. I have multiple accounts and T-Deck makes it very easy to control them.
- Brian Ellis
What do you guys call your friendfeed groups?
- Mark
from iPhone
Let's be Twitter buddies again, mmk? :)
- Joshua M
Don't follow me, my twitter feed is really dull.
- Alex Scrivener
Robert: You said, "I never got into using TweetDeck for groups." I specifically used to refer people to your videos demonstrating TweetDeck and how it enables you to follow so many people. I laughed when I saw them because it allowed me to not have to explain it & just send them your way. So at one point you were evangelizing the use of TweetDeck for Groups & filtering all of the people...
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- Joel Mackey
I've made my "lists" in PeopleBrowsr, so for me Twitter and FriendFeed works the same when it comes to filtering the noise.
- Svartling
Svartling: I'm so heavily dependent on Peoplebrowsr now that Twitter's almost unusable without it. I like Friendfeed a lot. just still figuring out how to work it into my daily flow.
- Kevin Arth
I haven't been using FF much, but this conversation is giving me a reason to take a second look at FF. I can not keep up with the spam. I do enjoy Twitter for the conversation, but not to keep up with a lot of people. I miss the interesting tweets in the mass of spam and porn.
- Michele McGraw
from iPhone
I feek the same way, Michele. What I am uncertain about is whether I can use FriendFeed to organize my Twitter friends right out of the gate or do those whom I wish to follow using FF have to using FF as well? I just haven't quite had the time to explore it. If it's the latter it would be another app I would have to get friends to use and that would probably decrease the # of actual...
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- Hans Eisenman
from email
I use FriendFeed as kind of a 'best of the best' of Twitter. Where I can really read and digest what's going on. Brilliant blog post, btw.
- Thor
Loved your blog post. Still trying to figure out how to make the most of FriendFeed, but following you is probably a good start.
- Ed
I personally find FriendFeed to be more pleasing because of the ease in following threaded conversations. But I have been using TweetDeck and it allows me to place tweeps in groups/columns, similar to FF groups, so I can parse out things I WANT to see. However, I was following anyone who followed me, and now I have a lot of spam and market/MLM posts that I need to sift through... annoying. I will be going on an unfollow twitter spree once it's back up and stable from the DoS attacks.
- Timothy Federwitz
Gonna have to get that Peoplebrowsr from the sound of it.
- Hans Eisenman
from email
Been trying to login to Peoplebrowsr with my Twitter ID and it's telling me wrong pw, and yet I can log in to Twitter with same pw. Wonder if it's at all related to the DOS attack Twitter was having.
- Hans Eisenman
It always takes some effort to shift a dynamic. I appreciate you rethinking your social networking preferences publicly, it's given me a lot to think about.
- Jo Golden PhD
hopefully i didn't get lost in the "twitter-shed"...I totally support what you did
- Crackle
Thank you for the insightful post Robert. Great points to your discussion on WHY you did it. We can all learn.
- Matthew
I play the "I'm 17 and not techincally an adult yet" card for now. Come Wednesday... Well, that will change.
- Zach Flauaus
the only reason i do it is to create tone example : fuck you :) ....fuck you! >:| ... fuck you XD
- Caroline
emoticons in business ... fail.. emails.. even worse!
- Caroline
I'll admit that I do it sometimes, but it's usually to emphasize tone since I sometimes joke around in ways that aren't obvious unless the tone can be heard or unless you can see me rolling my eyes or smirking.
- Katy S
I do it on the computer only, during personal chat... otherwise things come out wrong :P
- mjc
I do the emoticons (here or on instant messenger, but never in anything business-oriented or professional) but still use proper punctuation with it. And I will never, ever end a sentence in "lol".
- Rochelle
There's a couple I'm thinking of, but no one who's responded so far in this thread. EL OH EL.
- Derrick
Oh wait, I didn't scan the thread close enough. Some of y'all been found out.
- Derrick
I've gotten in trouble a couple of times at work because people assigned interpretations to my words that I did not intend. It even got HR involved. So let me tell you, if it's gonna help people understand, I'm gonna do it. I need my job to support my tech habit.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Sorry Derrick, just realized this is only in bitchfest. Bitchfest is sacred. I should let you yell all you like. :) OOPS! LOL. DANGIT! :p GAH!!
- Josh Haley
First rule of the Interwebz: All content is fair game. GO GO GO. (Oh hi, Derrick. #dontkillme.)
- Zach Flauaus
And the only reason I posted this was because someone went on a rant where they were clearly upset and annoyed given the back and forth in the discussion and heft of it all, and then after all that, they put a :) or LOL at the end, which totally negated their commentary. How am I supposed to take you seriously? People can post whatever the hell they want, but by the same token, I can think you're a crackpot as well.
- Derrick
I think I have a feeling who you're talking about.
- Zach Flauaus
I used to be judgmental about smilies, too. Then I started doing business directly with Chinese people, and found them to be an essential and convenient way to more clearly communicate. Now it's habit to some extent; at first I was upset by this and afraid of being judged negatively as in the above post. But honestly, the pathetically lazy attempts many people put into reading...
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- Lo
8===D what about starting them with juvenile ascii art? Can they suck that too? ;) LOL
- CW™
if i dont end sentences with emoticons, people get upset at me :-( But yes, you heard correctly, i can indeed suck it. I'm told I'm quite good. ;-)
- Slappy Line
@Johnny Yea! Seriously, "Life in a Northern Town" is the only thing they're known for. They have three albums (that I'm aware of). All of which are great. I really do think it is a shame that more people don't appreciate them.
- Joanmarie