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It wasn’t supposed to be this way… - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
Bill Anderson, Jan Wessnitzer, Duncan Hull and 12 other people liked this
Ah - found a clearer statement from Met Office on data release: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corpora...
- Cameron Neylon
I must admit that until 48 hours ago, I never realized the Met Office data was secret. I'd always assumed it would be in the public domain. Silly me.
- AJCann
You basically have to send them an email saying what you want and what you're using it for. If you are an appropriate accedited researcher you can get access to the thing you want, but not distribute it I think. Its a classic demonstration of public domain benefits in some ways.
- Cameron Neylon
blimey - I never knew that met office data wasn't public record. Is the idea that Ordinance Survey introduced deliberate small mistakes into their map to protect their copyright? Or is that an urban myth. Depressing is about right.
- Jo Badge
Brilliant post Cameron.
- Andrew Lang
*applause*
- Bill Hooker
I've heard from people who do mapping type stuff that the OS errors are real. Can't say I've ever checked myself though.
- Cameron Neylon
in the US NOAA NWS data is open, but there's a cost recovery model for some of the historic data sets. I think the art around these parts is to combine NWS stuff with Navy stuff and stuff from the literature, but that's just my impression.
- Christina Pikas
My understanding was that most of it was provided at cost - but a lot is in formats that are not terribly useable or useful so they charge for transfer to media and some reformatting. Bottom line is that most of it is government data and therefore in the public domain by definition.
- Cameron Neylon
Some interesting comments on the blog itself - first time I've had that many comments in ages!
- Cameron Neylon
Prohibition - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
'Mummi' Thorisson, Andrew Perry and Cameron Neylon liked this
Whether they agree or not they're not going to be able to stop a back channel going on. Which was your point surely? Read a clueless article yesterday about brands having to make a choice about whether going online because they might encounter negative content about their brand. Well duh - the content is going to be out there anyway - engage or don't those are the choices.
- Cameron Neylon
Yes, but since I've assumed a sort of responsibility for guiding the process, it would be nice to avoid a car crash rather than picking up the pieces.
- AJCann
Ah, I see your dilemma...
- Cameron Neylon
For me the issue is whether or not to have the/a back-channel visible on screen next to or behind a speaker. If the speaker wants it, then fine. If they do not, then that is their choice. The fact that a proportion of the audience may be watching and contributing to the back-channel on their own device seems to me to be a different issue, where I think that it's a free country.
- Seb Schmoller
@Seb And conference organizers who have tried to block the backchannel have also felt the wrath. Of course the easy way to do it is not to have wifi and a building which blocks the 3G signal :-) As a compromise, how about letting speakers choose whether they want the backchannel (which in the context of #altc2010 means Twitter, I guess) visible or not?
- AJCann
@ Alan. Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make. No pressure on speakers to have it visible. No pressure not to. A bit of "caveat" info to help them decide. (Practically speaking we'll have to think through where Elluminate's back channel might fit in.)
- Seb Schmoller
Might I suggest no screen, but a moderator who can pass on info to the speaker as an alternative. I have used this in my classroom and in presentations.
- Terry Elliott
I couldn't understand why there was a permitted back channel via elluminate at ALTC2009 but not via twitter, I assume because elluminate was moderated?
- Jo Badge
I think the speaker should be able to see the backchannel but not the audience unless they have their own kit (backchannel of limited use if you can't contribute). I've seen talks in SL (where backchannel is in chat) derailed by inexperienced speakers becoming overly engaged with a minority using the backchannel. Using a moderator is good if there is an inexperienced speaker or very noisy backchannel. Of course, in SL the audience also chooses when to change your slides unless you're careful. ;)
- Peter Miller
seen this? http://scienceblogs.com/terrasi...
- Jo Badge
Yes, I saw that. Sigh. Twitter banned. But not facebook, Posterous, Wordpress, Friendfeed. etc. FAIL.
- AJCann
The Dark Side of Digital Backchannels in Shared Physical Spaces - nice summary http://gumption.typepad.com/blog...
- AJCann
Re: Socially unacceptable - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"What about Prezi behind the word cloud? Non-linear, still provides something for the students to 'look at' (either away from the classroom or in it), allows the freedom for discussion on any of the word cloud points?"
- Jo Badge
Has anyone got any advice on running two friend feed accounts? I am struggling to get two notification systems going. The FF desktop notifier just seems to pick up whichever acct I'm logged into on IE, so setting up alert-thingy helps with notifications for one account. Anything else I can use that won't mix the two accounts up?!
You need AlertThingyFFEdition, not plain vanilla AlertThingy. http://alertthingy.com/alertth...
- AJCann
yes, yes, got ff edition. That will run one account but ff's own desktop notifier seems to pick up on log-in from IE, so alerts to whichever one I'm signed into on IE :-(
- Jo Badge
You need AlertThingyFFEdition, not plain vanilla AlertThingy. http://alertthingy.com/alertth... Works for me with the FF desktop notifier at the same time. Alternatively, use Twhirl (only deals with one FF account).
- AJCann
forgot about twhirl, may use that. Writing is a bit small though... ;-)
- Jo Badge
Shoulda gone to Specsavers.
- AJCann
Re: The History Problem - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
Dan Hagon, Pierre Lindenbaum and Cameron Neylon liked this
"Very difficult to timetable things in small chunks and get a coherent view. Also, dare I say, many academic staff these days not terribly aware of their own subject history, not having been taught it in HE?"
- AJCann
History? Aint that...like...stuff that's out of date?
- Cameron Neylon
That's what the students think...
- AJCann
which subject do you want to teach the history of? Virology? One of the best lectures I ever had as an undergraduate was just a 'story' about the discovery of SRY. Was the more 'recent' history of the topic but I never forgot it. Depends on the telling I suppose?
- Jo Badge
I think this conflates two issues, the value of narrative in exposition and the "facts" of the history of a discipline - explaining how and why participants in that discipline think and communicate the way they do.
- AJCann
Do you mean "History of Sciences" ? I remember I was taught Molecular Biology by a professor who asked us to describe how we would study the "Lac" operon IF we were in the 60s (Sequencing and PCR were not allowed). The History of Sciences is good to see the evolution of a theory, to recognize a Genious, etc... Sadly, the French gov is about to stop the education of History in the Scientific classrooms.
- Pierre Lindenbaum
I'm thinking more about placing subject knowledge in context rather than "History of Science" as an academic discipline in its own right.
- AJCann
The History of Science was a considerable influence and inspiration for me to study a scientific discipline at university and for a long time served to answer what for me was a more interesting question than "what do we/don't we know?", which is: "how do we know that?" Having explored this route over a few years (in the process building up a considerable library of primary/secondary...
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- Dan Hagon
any suggestions for good screencast software (the sort for making videos of computer actions ...)?
Daniel Mietchen, Mary Canady, Dan Hagon and 3 other people liked this
I like Screenflow for Mac but it costs money. Camtasia for PC similarly is highly recommended. Jing and similar are fine for short videos less than a couple of minutes.
- Cameron Neylon
screenr.com is fabulous, runs in your browser, very quick to use, uploads straight to youtube if you want. Has set window sizes which helps you fit your demonstration window to include all the action you want.
- Jo Badge
Try http://www.screentoaster.com/ - also runs in the browser, and is apparently free (haven't tried it because I bought Camtasia earlier, which is pretty expensive).
- Victor / Mendeley Team
What OS? I like gtk-recordMyDesktop on Ubuntu, others recommend Istanbul.
- Neil Saunders
mac osx ... also open to ubuntu for the more technical stuff. browser-based sounds fab! thanks guys :)
- Anna Croft
Jing is cool if you want quick, easy and short.
- Matt Leifer
I like Jing as well
- François Dongier
I use and like Camtasia but it is not free - although the 30 day trial is fully functional - Camstudio is free and might work for recording but not editing
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Try Screenr.com - excellent.
- AJCann
I recommend ScreenCamera because it makes live real-time screencasts on Skype, UStream, messengers, or wherever you can use a webcam. http://www.pcwinsoft.com/screenc...
- PCWinSoft
ISHOWU is quite amazing ..its only US $10 or so. creates very compact H.264 codec using files
- Hari
Re: Finding the missing joy - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"Happy Tuesday: http://www.nerdist.com/2009......"
- Jo Badge
Re: Where's the social? - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
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"@richard- how did you manage to get a picture of Alan on your comment? cunning."
- Jo Badge
Any student, any subject, anywhere - http://www.guardian.co.uk/educati...
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Um, no. At the present time, universities are looking hard at the bottom line. Fee increase or no fee increase, that means paying customers, which means bums on seats. True "anywhere, anytime" won't pay the bills.
- AJCann
Not for the existing universities but does anyone really care about them anymore?
- Cameron Neylon
Yup, the parents who pay the bills care about them. Ask the Ivy league and Oxbridge. The staff who work in them care about them. Employers are also keen on them. And students.
- AJCann
But will parents continue to care if they can get the same cheaper elsewhere? Will employers if they can get a better idea of a prospect's interests and skills from a detailed and diverse portfolio? Students want to make connections I grant and that remains the one major strength of a single site, branded education, that I can't see going away. Looking at the parallels between newspapers and universities is instructive IMO and not comforting.
- Cameron Neylon
Can people get the same elsewhere? Ask an 18 year old looking forward to leaving home and campus social life for three years. The decision to enter HE is not purely academic.
- AJCann
No, they can't. Not at the moment. I'm wondering what happens when someone starts to offer it though. I can see the whole edifice coming crashing down around our ears.
- Cameron Neylon
I see distance education as a different market from traditional campus-based universities. In some cases, the two may cross over, but they are distinct. Take a look at any university brochure and see what they're selling, it's very different from an online course. I'm not arguing that distance education will continue to grow, or that campus-based universities will serve increasingly...
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- AJCann
How about a model that satisfies a multitude of needs: developing world education - tutors on site in volunteer projects - students arrive, get their education by remote, but at the same time do volunteer work (hands on). (also allows local provision improvements) - then students are happily away from home. Although I suspect many of them won't want to be _that_ far from home ...
- Anna Croft
There was a heroic attempt to create a campus on a ship that sailed the world: http://www.thescholarship.com/ . It sailed for only one year, due to problems with the bottom line. I would love to see further attempts in this direction!
- Daniel Mietchen
@cameron The open university has offered the option of taking a degree at a ditance for years. Their 18-25 demographic is increasing, but very slowly. The traditional reasons for going t university for the experience of leaving home still persist, even when it is cheaper to take an OU degree than a campus based one in terms of fees alone.One of the big problems with openlearn was lack...
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- Jo Badge
But we're still thinking about degrees. Is a degree a useful measure of education or training any more? What is more valuable to a job applicant: a degree from [insert name of rubbish university here] or an independent verifiable certificate that someone has done a course on biological science from MIT? Not saying that the answers are clear, just that I fear we're in danger of being blinded by the assumption that education can, will, or should continue in the way it is at the moment.
- Cameron Neylon
I agree accreditation is the key problem - but its already the key problem as soon as you step outside your comfort zone. There are Chinese universities with entry standards higher than Oxford but I have no clue which ones they are or what to look for a student transcript.
- Cameron Neylon
agree that accrediation and international standards are a major issue. Our own VC has plans on the accessiblity of a transcript for degrees ;-) (http://www.guardian.co.uk/educati...)
- Jo Badge
Of course, if we go the independent verifiable certificate from MIT, we loose the diversity of the current system (well, the government wants that anyway, but still). Knowledge automatons. I guess though that your CV will then have to have MIT certificate + specialist course from xxx to differentiate you from the crowd.
- Anna Croft
We might lose diversity of courses - not necessarily a bad thing, do we really need 50 slightly different chemistry degrees in the UK? - but doesn't that enable an increased diversity of outcomes? 1,2,5,10 year courses based on what suits the person, picking and choosing from what will give them what they need?
- Cameron Neylon
Like Cameron says, I think accreditation is a issue, but when you look past that what about infrastructure? 50% of research grants goes to universities to support the infrastructure. Seems like the major challenge would be in having that sort of ecosystem with the open format.
- Mr. Gunn
Simultaneously excited about the prospect of using Friendfeed for teaching next term and pissed off that I didn't start using it this term.
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Slightly OT, but @AJ, will Socky be appearing in your teaching next term? For those who don't know Socky, check out "The Adventures of Socky and Alan":- http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Graham Steel
Hmm, no plans for Socky on FriendFeed at this stage. He crops up in my weekly statistics videos. Of course, if there's enough demand...
- AJCann
What will you be teaching?
- Miss Elle
Socky mostly teaches statistics, but he also pops up to give students feedback (by hijacking their attention).
- AJCann
I just wished my uni would use anything beyond its walled garden - assessment policy: they don't even accept external links in essays
- Britta Bohlinger
Scientists still not joining social networks -- Scholarly Kitchen -- http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009...
'Mummi' Thorisson, Mike Chelen, joe is... and 13 other people liked this
Personally, am not convinced of some of the assumptions, e.g. "...Both are unfortunate, but are parts of the current culture [reference to sharing early lab results]. Any network that hopes to succeed must adapt to the culture of the community, rather than trying to rewrite it." First, though likely rare, I think there are instances where culture gets "re-written" -- another perspective is that this form of communication provides an alternative to established routes. That is, does not replace them but adds to the diversity of communication means.
- Mickey Schafer
The only thing I really disagree with here is that I think there will be a shift towards more open approaches as more examples of success show up. Then everyone will go over the edge like lemmings and there will be a backlash again but by then the funders will be piling in with conditions to push things forward.
- Cameron Neylon
<cynical>It doesn't matter what the scientists think. What matters is what the funders demand of them.</cynical> Open science doesn't really depend on "[online] social networks" and never has. It's true that most open-science sorts are active social networkers, but when the rubber hits the road, I don't care who's on FriendFeed -- I care who's sharing data. If the funders demand the latter and not the former, good on 'em. Behavior will shift accordingly.
- D0r0th34
But the funders are the scientists in most cases - so a mixture of pushing from within the community - as well as top down mandates will get us there. The question is how to get the funders into a position where they feel bound to impose mandates _and_ provide the infrastructure that makes it possible to observe them...?
- Cameron Neylon
Mmm, I'm not sure I agree. Funding infrastructure relies on a fair amount of scientist labor, yes -- but it's not career scientists who have been calling the funder shots; it's been top-level administrators (some of whom are ex-scientists, admittedly) looking at bottom lines. The Wellcome Trust mandate didn't come from scientists. Neither did the NIH policy. <cynical>One can't rely on scientists for effective science policy.</cynical>
- D0r0th34
Fair enough. UK Research Councils case is more nuanced. Even Wellcome Trust policy was driven to a certain extent by the fundees or at least not in the face of belligerent opposition from them. But comparing the independent funders like Wellcome to the Research Councils (run more by councils of academics) is instructive.
- Cameron Neylon
I thought the spin on your lovely shout out for Medeley on ch 4 news was interesting, Cameron (nice monitors btw!). 'government backing for innovators to meet and share' was the message. Have you had any responses to that yet? Maybe systems like Mendeley will be the things that start to crack the nut of social networking for scientists? I'm not sure it's a killer app, more the thin end of the wedge...
- Jo Badge
Shorter DC: I don't like social networks or spend any time on them, so they must be useless.
- Bill Hooker
I'm afraid they're not my monitors but those for the control room for one of the instruments (not incidentally the one that got filmed in the piece - but at least there was no blue liquid!) But they are in fact necessary to keep the instrument running and processing data efficiently.
- Cameron Neylon
Bill, I am afraid your DC is heads on :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I can imagine a report from 1670, a full five years after the creation of academic journals, concluding that virtually no scientists were using academic journals as a matter of course, and thus they are useless. (Technological progress has sped up a lot since 1670, of course. But social change isn't all that much faster, in my opinion. And this is fundamentally a social change.)
- Michael Nielsen
Michael++
- D0r0th34
I think we also tend to forget the granddaddy social software: email. In some fields there are tremendously active listservs that have been around for over a decade especially at research universities where faculty got email before it really caught on in the wider world. What evidence would convince a scientist that Facebook, LinkedIn or Twitter offer better communication opportunities than an archived listserv?
- Jenny Reiswig
Well, aren't most scientists using email as "communication opportunities" and nothing else? (social network, listserv etc)?
- Maxine
were observations limited to sites specifically designed for scientists? perhaps to the exclusion of other significant mainstream platforms like facebook or twitter
- Mike Chelen
Jenny: it might be better to gauge usage based either on features such as address book management or by traffic metrics such as size of audience
- Mike Chelen
A tech question -- is anyone using web-based file storage? If so, what company would you recommend as host?
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How big of files are you thinking about?
- Holly Rae, FFer
Hell yes. For me, photos -> flickr, audio -> divshare, video -> youtube/vimeo, PDF's -> Mendeley/scribd and google docs for various other bits 'n bobs.
- Graham Steel
SlideShare, SciVee (vids), Scribd (pdfs), Flickr, YouTube, lots of GoogleDocs and Wikispaces will take up to 10Meg misc files
- Jean-Claude Bradley
favorites are dropbox (good file sync) box.net (webdav standard support) drop.io (quick, easy) and wuala (free limit is high). specialized storage by file type such as flickr for images or gdocs for docs is also a good option, and there are some utilities that can help synchronize with these services
- Mike Chelen
Google docs for documents, Mozy for backup, dropbox for sync across computers
- Pedro Beltrao
Junlgedisk for archival, dropbox for "hot" content.
- Deepak Singh
from iPhone
Jungle disk for big files, documents etc. I also use google docs and dropbox for convenience.
- ashish
Ooh - dropbox seems rather handy. Thanks. On Desktop now.....
- Graham Steel
Gspace? https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-PT...
- ovigia
Any specific suggestions for podcasts/sharing?
- Allan Besselink
I use ADrive for pretty much everything. If sharing, will host things on Slideshare, Scribd, Flickr, YouTube, etc. But if it is just for me ... ADrive. Free accounts get something like 50 GB. Podcasts get hosted with Archive.org.
- Miss Elle
Allan, I use vanilla S3 for all my podcasts in combination with Cloudfront for edge delivery.
- Deepak Singh
Dropbox for a collaborative document share. Wiggio.com for inter-institutional share and collaboration tool. I belong to a group that uses a pogoplug, too, which has been a boon (the trick is where to host it).
- Jason Miller
JungleDisk on the Mac - off-site backups of docs + family photos
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Also a Jungle Disk user -- have a workgroup account with all partners and customers having partitions. Use it for backup, transfer of large files (audio, video, lesson packages) to and from internal people and customers.
- Brian Sullivan
Dropbox for keeping the contents of a directory sync'd across computers & sharing private pics, Flickr for public pics, slideshare from PPTs and Mendeley for docs.
- Mr. Gunn
Thanks so much! Here's a link (though most of you don't need it:-)) that reviews some of these products: http://www.consumersearch.com/online-... -- For me, I am looking to back up everything on 3 computers at home. "Kids" computer used to be mine, and has all the family photos on it -- just 2005 is in excess of 4GB (or so says the flash drive which is full). It seems as...
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- Mickey Schafer
mediafire
- ffcode
thanks Mickey you had a good subscriptions list, subscribed to a few of the active folks
- ffcode
Miss Elle: ADrive looks kind of cool, FTP can come in handy
- Mike Chelen
Mickey: if there is 4gb this year, how much data is there in total? it may be worthwhile to also keep local backups, since 8gb or 16gb memory sticks only cost $20-$30, and external hard disk drives are coming down in price too
- Mike Chelen
Mickey - From what it sounds like you want to do, a pogoplug (hardware) might be really great for you. http://www.pogoplug.com
- Jason Miller
Thanks, Mike -- that's basically what I was thinking. Maybe a larger GB flash drive for each year, but a combo of external hard drive and online back up for everything. The kids' computer needs ghosting...I'll be able to get Windows 7 for about $12.00 in a few weeks (faculty price) and will likely use it to restore that computer to better functioning.
- Mickey Schafer
from email
Jason, what a totally cool device!
- Mickey Schafer
from email
For those who'd still like to explore, the suggestions made here are at http://delicious.com/msscha... -- features to look for seem to be amount of free space (ranges from 1GB to 50GB), share features, file syncing (only a couple do that), upgrade service cost (in all, much less expensive than I expected), mobile apps, and whether there's a desktop component (I don't get this...
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- Mickey Schafer
it is a mistake to keep you personal dta on servers on web first it is very difficult to delete that data and other there is a possibility that data can be stolen
- ffcode
@Jason is there a pogo plug available in UK?
- Anna Croft
@AnnaCroft - Not sure. Id' poke around on their site to see. On it, I saw what looked like a portal to twitter, and I saw some German tweets. That would make me hopeful that the product is available outside the US. Please post what you find out.
- Jason Miller
Anna -- I've also seen French tweets -- here's the product spec page: http://www.pogoplug.com/meet... -- voltage specs are "Power requirements: 100-240V, 50/60HZ" -- the rest relates to OS, internet, browsers, etc so should cross the ocean just fine.
- Mickey Schafer
@Jason/Mickey ace - although I'll probably wait until next year to get one, when I'm in the US ... Update: just read on one of the websites that it will ship to Europe in 2010 ... http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum...
- Anna Croft
ffcode: it's important to keep multiple backups on local and remote systems, as well as on several company's servers if possible. a good backup service should include client-side encryption (wuala does for example) and if not then it is worthwhile for users to learn how encrypt data themselves
- Mike Chelen
Jason: does pogo plug have much built-in storage or is it best to attach an external drive as well?
- Mike Chelen
Mickey: flash drives are great for portability, still external hard disks are the best value for the size, for example 500gb for $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product... though online copies are important since a single drive could get lost or damaged at any time
- Mike Chelen
Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, Science in the long run, Research Funding 2.0, Young scientists, The Life Scientists
Fwd: Research grants: Let’s end this shared madness by Wellcome Trust director Mark Walport, Times Higher Education - http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story... (via http://friendfeed.com/dullhun...)
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"So what are we proposing? We will phase out project and programme grants and instead, extend the model of fellowship support to researchers who are salaried by their university or research institute. "
- Daniel Mietchen
"We look to the scientific community to bring us their best ideas." - looks like an invite for another round of Fantasy Science Funding (this time from the perspective of the Wellcome Trust).
- Daniel Mietchen
Having been a Wellcome Trust International Travelling Fellow I've appreciated Wellcome's visionary approach to funding, and applaud their initiative here. This isn't a fantasy, this is Wellcome, and it will happen...
- Richard Badge
I agree, I don't think this is fantasy. They will do what they say. Few, the light is finally dawning.
- Jo Badge
For background on Fantasy Science Funding, see http://ways.org/en... . This piece shall also serve as a basis for an upcoming post on "What would research funding look like if it were invented today?" ( http://ff.im/9SvED ) which is intended to contain a general analysis of the funding situation, combined with some specific examples....
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- Daniel Mietchen
this looks bit but I don't really understand what it means in practice. You apply for a fellowship but does that not mean that you still are asking for the resources for a defined programme of work? If slightly less tightly defined? Will be interested to see what this means in detailed terms.
- Cameron Neylon
Critique: An inward-looking scheme which must eventually collapse due to failure to recruit new talent (and lack of a proper career structure will speed that up). Bye bye UK science.
- AJCann
I would suggest to them to do a significant part of the review process in the open, and to abandon it for some control group that meets basic eligibility criteria.
- Daniel Mietchen
@ajcann cynic ;-) what do you propose instead then? At least they are trying to acknowledge that science is done by good people with good ideas, giving them the freedom to follow those ideas to their logical conclusions and not to a pre-determined end point that you can only guess at.
- Jo Badge
But this strategy cannot be successful in the long term as it is anti-innovative and will inevitably degenerate into an old boys club.
- AJCann
@ AJCann: It has already gone much of that way, and I interpret Walport's piece as a sign of consciousness of the matter and an invitation for constructive criticism, albeit he seems to be very concerned about the opinions of other funders.
- Daniel Mietchen
The Wellcome trust is certainly one of the organizations that are most upfront (and sometimes brutal) in saying what they want and being forceful in maximizing their return on investment. I would certainly give them the benefit of the doubt to some extent on this one. But there is also something of a perception that it is something of a closed club. Partly this is down to a conscious...
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- Cameron Neylon
Yes, but not a viable strategy for UK science overall. It works for Wellcome as long as they can cannibalize the fresh talent funded by someone else. It won't work over the longer term is all (or most) agencies go down this route.
- AJCann
Well at least junior researchers can apply for an EPSRC grant.
- AJCann
Alan, let me ask the tough question - _is_ there a viable strategy for UK science overall? As in a strategy that views UK science in isolation? Having just got back from China I've got to say it certainly feels like we're toast unless we build our personnel and physical infrastructure in a bigger framework.
- Cameron Neylon
Probably not at the present/proposed levels of funding and considering what is being asked. Developing economies regard fundamental research as a route to prosperity. Decaying economies seems to regard science funding as a drain. It would be possible to fund selected areas, e.g. sustainable technologies, healthcare, and focus limited funding, but in this proposal inadequate funding is...
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- AJCann
It's interesting how explicit that is in the China case. The spending of money to speed development as well as to bring people back to support this. Building a new campus expected to house 20,000 scientists in a five year timeframe just doesn't seem to bother them. At the same time the heirachical and top down nature of the society and organization of their science doesn't seem to support radical developments. Will be very interesting to watch though.
- Cameron Neylon
I´m Google waving... but still need to catch up!... so, testing and learning
feel free to add me to any interesting waves, i've got fuck all going on christopher.aidan.harris@googlewave.com
- Christopher Harris
Add me too (mmnc1974@googlewave.com)
- Mo
What sort of stuff are you interested chaps? I have research collaboration on wave/ education/ science hackday that Cameron did...
- Jo Badge
anachesa@googlewave.com
- Ashalynd
have added you guys to come stuff :-)
- Jo Badge
xixidu@googlewave.com
- Alexander Kruel
Google Wave is really slow and buggy today again :-(
- Alexander Kruel
needs to be mainstream too
- Anibal M. Astobiza
What I'm really looking forward to is some way it can notify you of new Waves or updates on your desktop. FriendFeed can send you any updates or comments via Google Talk for example...
- Alexander Kruel
wildcat2030@googlewave.com
- Wildcat
ooo I have 8 google wave invites - http://twitter.com/jobadge...
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- Jo Badge
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Re: Drowning - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"how can I access wave on a touch? I did try yesterday but just got a 'you need safari 4, chrome or FF' message. If you had warned us, I'm sure more of us would have brought laptops to give it a go. Happy to try at next meeting."
- Jo Badge
Re: Finding the missing joy - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"go on - give us a swedish chef too please sir!"
- Jo Badge
Twitter now seems to be auto-updating (via user-prompt) in real time (neat). Didn't change anything. Just me?
I use the web interface so rarely these days (mostly use twhirl/tweetdeck on desktop/ itouch) that I am always surprised at what has changed when I go there!
- Jo Badge
Anyone using using social referencing for journal clubs? - http://twitter.com/actuala...
Dr Alan Cann and Michael Habib liked this
Alex is : Exploring social referencing apps to deliver training about using them for an online journal club. Anyone used them for this purpose?
- Jo Badge
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I was pretty sure someone on here would have done this before - anyone?
- Jo Badge
Well, we're going to do it via CiteULike next term...
- AJCann
I'm thinking of using Mendeley to store the docs and google mailing lists to host and manage the discussions.... I'm not sure I can work with the built in "notes" section in Mendeley or CiteUlike etc....
- Alex (ActualAl)
I wish something like this would exist: http://bjoern.brembs.net/comment...
- Björn Brembs
Alex, did you know you can also annotate PDFs within Mendeley and share the annotated versions (full text) with a limited group?
- Mr. Gunn
@ Mr. Gunn: Can everyone in the limited group edit the same doc simultaneously?
- Steve Koch
Steve, version control and conflict resolution for concurrent editing is under development. The dev preview (0.9.5 http://www.mendeley.com/downloa... release notes http://www.mendeley.com/release...) has some of these features like conflict resolution already. I haven't tried that feature out, but if you want to give it a go, I'll mark up a couple docs with you.
- Mr. Gunn
You can also have a shared reference list in Zotero and pipe the RSS feed to a Friendfeed group for discussion.
- Pedro Beltrao
SPECIAL REPORT Reuters - Are doctors what ails U.S. healthcare? (via @ivanoransky) [more doctors !=better outcomes, = higher costs] - http://www.reuters.com/article...
Alexey liked this
"What's more, the Dartmouth analysis shows, clusters of doctors tend to result in higher health care costs -- and, perhaps most surprisingly, outcomes aren't any better in cities with the largest physician populations."
- Mr. Gunn
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there was a great This American Life podcast all about this recently : http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_E...
- Jo Badge
Cool, thanks Jo
- Mr. Gunn
Danish pupils use web in exams (BBC report) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
Dr Alan Cann liked this
Interesting move by the Danish government. Raises lot sof issues about assessment, the nature of the questions, what we are training students for and academic integrity.
- Jo Badge
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Open book exams are not new. Students taking exam questions away and returning a week later with an essay was happening 30 years ago.
- AJCann
I agree, but this makes it more upfront and challenges what we think of as an exam - bits of paper and a pen. Who needs those anymore?
- Jo Badge
I've always favoured the format used for the entry exam to the Chinese Civil Service during the Han dynasty.
- AJCann
Re: Has Blackboard outlived its shelf-life? - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"Ah ha - the pop up had popped up off the bottom of the page. Silly me not to have found it. Interesting post Dr Cann. I guess the question is do we care? If we are going to follow the students to their place of conversation and meet them there, why not have a hub to 'keep stuff' in and talk elsewhere? We do it all the time."
- Jo Badge
Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part I - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
Mr. Gunn, Benjamin Tseng, Steve Koch and 6 other people liked this
Interesting point - could only track down Jon's tweet via Friendfeed. Possibly an argument for piping mine back in - or perhaps setting up a secondary account for archiving...
- Cameron Neylon
a secondary acct for archiving is a good idea.We tend to pull the RSS from tags on the day of any event and stick them in FF or google reader. Having an RSS feed of your own tweets into GR could work too. Tweetstream is definitely pretty transient these days.
- Jo Badge
I use FF as a searchable repository of my tweets, at least for now.
- Bora Zivkovic
The third para of that post was delightful. I also use FF exactly as Bora does, and to search for the tweets of some others. In fact I've toyed with setting up 'imaginary friends' of people / corporate tweets which don't have an FF account for this purpose but haven't got round to it yet. I really don't use FF enough!
- Jo Brodie
Love it: "...the natural unit of science research is the blog post".
- Bill Hooker
Next-gen PhDs fail to find Web 2.0's 'on-switch' - http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story...
Nic, Jo Young, Cesar Sanchez and 13 other people liked this
Why am I not suprised...?
- Cameron Neylon
saw the press release for the original piece of work behind that yesterday here: http://www.rin.ac.uk/our-wor...
- Jo Badge
Like as in "I share your...concern? Despair?"
- Neil Saunders
Ah I missed that - also interesting in the context of the NIH grants - anyone tracked any more information on those projects?
- Cameron Neylon
I don't really despair but assuming that group culture and practice will change because some young people come in isn't suprising. Search happens with a single person, so they will use those tools, but social bookmarking requires groups acting together. This means that you at least need critical mass within the group, or more likely, active encouragement from the top.
- Cameron Neylon
Change is happening, But ... very ... slowly.
- AJCann
hmm, just skimming the report (from Brisith library) says that librarians need to reconnect with scientists - errr, when were they connected?
- Jo Badge
I'll set the librarians on you.
- AJCann
and here we are. what? oh, well, it's a given that people contact their friends first before the librarian - that's been found in our literature for probably close to 100 years. i'm thinking that search engines probably are above friends now... .what's really great is if you're friends with a ton of your scientists and engineers so even if they don't call "the library" they say, "well I'll just call Christina" (I get that a lot)
- Christina Pikas
but about the article - I'm happy to see this because it supports the findings of the first wave of articles on the uptake of ICTs in science from the 90s. 1)it's not just a matter of time, 2) it isn't necessarily a matter of age (not all youngsters want to try or know how to use all new technologies), etc.3) usage across areas of science will differ
- Christina Pikas
*bays at the moon* *sniffs* *catches a whiff of scientist* AROOOOOOOO! *chases*
- D0r0th34
From Jo's comment, an outside observer would have to ask: Is it that science librarians make no effort to connect with researchers (which, given people like John D. and Christina P., I find VERY hard to believe) or that researchers show no interest in a connection? "You can lead a horse to water" and all that... but what do I know, being neither a scientist nor a librarian?
- Walt Crawford
I think another aspect of this is the plain old fashioned 24 hour day. My students -- and yes, they are undergrads -- are absorbing so much content information that they MUST learn or they fail, and doing so much volunteer/shadowing that they MUST do or they cannot get into grad school, and even those doing research are so busy learning western blots and how not to screw things up that...
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- Mickey Schafer
I'm wondering what our generation is going to say the one after us is failing to adopt. Seems to me like there's an unspoken assumption behind the question - either there has to be mass uptake for it to be useful or something along the lines of "What's the business model?" These questions invariably seem to come as people are trying to justify the use of web20 tools to themselves or...
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- Mr. Gunn
Authors beware, and protect your online identity - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Michael Kuhn liked this
errr - authors who give out their user details deserve what they get!
- Jo Badge
I'm not sure I've understood the implications of this, but isn't just like an account on any other service?
- AJCann
well, another option would be for journal submission systems to drop the requirement that only the corresponding author can submit. it should be enough to let the PI verify the submission.
- Michael Kuhn
Re: Reflective FriendFolios - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"I like the stripped down criteria. I guess the quesitons are going to be 'what is an update?' what is a reflective comment? Are we going to build an examplar? what about sharing and networking? what about subscribing? tagging? sorry, that's lots of questions for which I don't have answers, just trying to think around the issue. err btw - what's happened to disqus - where do I log in? pop up was broken on IE 7, so here is my Firefox version :-)"
- Jo Badge
The Complete Guide to Google Wave: How to Use Google Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/
Jodi Schneider, Ian Simpson, Jack H. Pincus and 6 other people liked this
A comprehensive user manual by Gina Trapani with Adam Pash. Nice job.
- AJCann
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So it seems (from reading the first chapter) that if I rewatch the complete Firefly boxed set I'll just "get" google wave... It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it!:)
- Richard Badge
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errr looks rather long... :-(
- Jo Badge
It's very good. It's Wave that's a bit long.
- AJCann
very slow site, seems it's popular. Anyone tried to register and edit anything, since the site's running on a wiki?
- Mr. Gunn
It was quite fast when I used it, but it got bigged up by the tech blogs over the weekend, so I guess the server is getting hammered.
- AJCann
Re: Failure is an option - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"oh dear. Prefacing every question with 'have you read the notes?' getting boring is it? Guess they aren't 'clicking on the related links' either :-("
- Jo Badge
Re: Purpose for Posterous: PhD Research Journal - http://jennifr.net/...
"great idea Jay, I'll be interested to hear how you are getting on with it and will look out for and comment on your posts when I can :-)"
- Jo Badge
OK, I give in -anyone got a spare Wave invite for me? Thanks.
Carl Fulp, Mike Chelen, 'Mummi' Thorisson and 3 other people liked this
I'd be happy to receive an invite, too :-) thanks
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Oh is this where the Wave queue is? *stands in line*
- Bob O'Hara
No cutting in! :-)
- AJCann
Can I have your email address - please. I have 5 invites.
- Khader Shameer
steelgraham7 AT gmail DOT com
- Graham Steel
AJCann and Graham : both of you are invited. Got 4 more to share - pls send email address.
- Khader Shameer
Thanks Khader.
- AJCann
sent you a direct message w/ my email address
- Michael Kuhn
If anyone in Wave has spares can they also check the Life Scientists invite list? Drop me you're Wave address (I'm cameronneylon@googlewave.com) and I can add you
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Khader or anyone nice, here's mine: ctt.journal at googlemail.com
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Khader, if you still have some, I am mikael dot huss at the same domain as Claudia above
- Mikael Huss
Hi Khader. neil.swainston_AT_manchester.ac.uk if there are any spares. Thanks.
- Neil Swainston
andrew.sid.lang AT gmail DOT com if you can - thanks!
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Send invites to Michael, Claudia and Huss. Sorry Neil and Bradley.
- Khader Shameer
that's ok Khader - we'll keep trying
- Jean-Claude Bradley
For the public record, I didn't receive a Wave invite from Khader :-(
- Graham Steel
Graham, that was a too early announcement :|, usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation. In Wave's own words "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. "
- Khader Shameer
"usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation" I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing this out, Khader. Thank you kindly for sending out the invites...
- Graham Steel
Yeah, See you on wave Graham :) !
- Khader Shameer
Thanks anyway, Khader.
- Neil Swainston
May as well add my name to the list of those left behind ! elbuono AT gmail DOT com
- Ian Simpson
from twhirl
still holding out - I know that if I get one of these, I'll get sucked into the Waveome and my thesis will soo *never* be done in time!
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Got few more invites: added Ashish, Lucas, Andrew, Carl, Ian :)
- Khader Shameer
Mummi send me your gmail ID.
- Khader Shameer
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