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A tech question -- is anyone using web-based file storage? If so, what company would you recommend as host?
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What do you want to store? Bits and bobs or lots of stuff? I use google doc for bits and prices dropbox is useful as it has an iPhone app.
- Jo Badge
from iPod
How big of files are you thinking about?
- Holly Rae, FFer
Hell yes. For me, photos -> flickr, audio -> divshare, video -> youtube/vimeo, PDF's -> Mendeley/scribd and google docs for various other bits 'n bobs.
- Graham Steel
SlideShare, SciVee (vids), Scribd (pdfs), Flickr, YouTube, lots of GoogleDocs and Wikispaces will take up to 10Meg misc files
- Jean-Claude Bradley
favorites are dropbox (good file sync) box.net (webdav standard support) drop.io (quick, easy) and wuala (free limit is high). specialized storage by file type such as flickr for images or gdocs for docs is also a good option, and there are some utilities that can help synchronize with these services
- Mike Chelen
Google docs for documents, Mozy for backup, dropbox for sync across computers
- Pedro Beltrao
Junlgedisk for archival, dropbox for "hot" content.
- Deepak Singh
from iPhone
Jungle disk for big files, documents etc. I also use google docs and dropbox for convenience.
- ashish
Ooh - dropbox seems rather handy. Thanks. On Desktop now.....
- Graham Steel
Gspace? https://addons.mozilla.org/pt-PT...
- ovigia
Any specific suggestions for podcasts/sharing?
- Allan Besselink
I use ADrive for pretty much everything. If sharing, will host things on Slideshare, Scribd, Flickr, YouTube, etc. But if it is just for me ... ADrive. Free accounts get something like 50 GB. Podcasts get hosted with Archive.org.
- Miss Elle
Allan, I use vanilla S3 for all my podcasts in combination with Cloudfront for edge delivery.
- Deepak Singh
Dropbox for a collaborative document share. Wiggio.com for inter-institutional share and collaboration tool. I belong to a group that uses a pogoplug, too, which has been a boon (the trick is where to host it).
- Jason Miller
JungleDisk on the Mac - off-site backups of docs + family photos
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Also a Jungle Disk user -- have a workgroup account with all partners and customers having partitions. Use it for backup, transfer of large files (audio, video, lesson packages) to and from internal people and customers.
- Brian Sullivan
Dropbox for keeping the contents of a directory sync'd across computers & sharing private pics, Flickr for public pics, slideshare from PPTs and Mendeley for docs.
- Mr. Gunn
Thanks so much! Here's a link (though most of you don't need it:-)) that reviews some of these products: http://www.consumersearch.com/online-... -- For me, I am looking to back up everything on 3 computers at home. "Kids" computer used to be mine, and has all the family photos on it -- just 2005 is in excess of 4GB (or so says the flash drive which is full). It seems as...
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- Mickey Schafer
mediafire
- ffcode
thanks Mickey you had a good subscriptions list, subscribed to a few of the active folks
- ffcode
Miss Elle: ADrive looks kind of cool, FTP can come in handy
- Mike Chelen
Mickey: if there is 4gb this year, how much data is there in total? it may be worthwhile to also keep local backups, since 8gb or 16gb memory sticks only cost $20-$30, and external hard disk drives are coming down in price too
- Mike Chelen
Mickey - From what it sounds like you want to do, a pogoplug (hardware) might be really great for you. http://www.pogoplug.com
- Jason Miller
Thanks, Mike -- that's basically what I was thinking. Maybe a larger GB flash drive for each year, but a combo of external hard drive and online back up for everything. The kids' computer needs ghosting...I'll be able to get Windows 7 for about $12.00 in a few weeks (faculty price) and will likely use it to restore that computer to better functioning.
- Mickey Schafer
from email
Jason, what a totally cool device!
- Mickey Schafer
from email
For those who'd still like to explore, the suggestions made here are at http://delicious.com/msscha... -- features to look for seem to be amount of free space (ranges from 1GB to 50GB), share features, file syncing (only a couple do that), upgrade service cost (in all, much less expensive than I expected), mobile apps, and whether there's a desktop component (I don't get this...
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- Mickey Schafer
it is a mistake to keep you personal dta on servers on web first it is very difficult to delete that data and other there is a possibility that data can be stolen
- ffcode
@Jason is there a pogo plug available in UK?
- Anna Croft
@AnnaCroft - Not sure. Id' poke around on their site to see. On it, I saw what looked like a portal to twitter, and I saw some German tweets. That would make me hopeful that the product is available outside the US. Please post what you find out.
- Jason Miller
Re: Drowning - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"how can I access wave on a touch? I did try yesterday but just got a 'you need safari 4, chrome or FF' message. If you had warned us, I'm sure more of us would have brought laptops to give it a go. Happy to try at next meeting."
- Jo Badge
Twitter now seems to be auto-updating (via user-prompt) in real time (neat). Didn't change anything. Just me?
I use the web interface so rarely these days (mostly use twhirl/tweetdeck on desktop/ itouch) that I am always surprised at what has changed when I go there!
- Jo Badge
Scientists still not joining social networks -- Scholarly Kitchen -- http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009...
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Personally, am not convinced of some of the assumptions, e.g. "...Both are unfortunate, but are parts of the current culture [reference to sharing early lab results]. Any network that hopes to succeed must adapt to the culture of the community, rather than trying to rewrite it." First, though likely rare, I think there are instances where culture gets "re-written" -- another perspective is that this form of communication provides an alternative to established routes. That is, does not replace them but adds to the diversity of communication means.
- Mickey Schafer
The only thing I really disagree with here is that I think there will be a shift towards more open approaches as more examples of success show up. Then everyone will go over the edge like lemmings and there will be a backlash again but by then the funders will be piling in with conditions to push things forward.
- Cameron Neylon
<cynical>It doesn't matter what the scientists think. What matters is what the funders demand of them.</cynical> Open science doesn't really depend on "[online] social networks" and never has. It's true that most open-science sorts are active social networkers, but when the rubber hits the road, I don't care who's on FriendFeed -- I care who's sharing data. If the funders demand the latter and not the former, good on 'em. Behavior will shift accordingly.
- D0r0th34
But the funders are the scientists in most cases - so a mixture of pushing from within the community - as well as top down mandates will get us there. The question is how to get the funders into a position where they feel bound to impose mandates _and_ provide the infrastructure that makes it possible to observe them...?
- Cameron Neylon
Mmm, I'm not sure I agree. Funding infrastructure relies on a fair amount of scientist labor, yes -- but it's not career scientists who have been calling the funder shots; it's been top-level administrators (some of whom are ex-scientists, admittedly) looking at bottom lines. The Wellcome Trust mandate didn't come from scientists. Neither did the NIH policy. <cynical>One can't rely on scientists for effective science policy.</cynical>
- D0r0th34
Fair enough. UK Research Councils case is more nuanced. Even Wellcome Trust policy was driven to a certain extent by the fundees or at least not in the face of belligerent opposition from them. But comparing the independent funders like Wellcome to the Research Councils (run more by councils of academics) is instructive.
- Cameron Neylon
I thought the spin on your lovely shout out for Medeley on ch 4 news was interesting, Cameron (nice monitors btw!). 'government backing for innovators to meet and share' was the message. Have you had any responses to that yet? Maybe systems like Mendeley will be the things that start to crack the nut of social networking for scientists? I'm not sure it's a killer app, more the thin end of the wedge...
- Jo Badge
Shorter DC: I don't like social networks or spend any time on them, so they must be useless.
- Bill Hooker
I'm afraid they're not my monitors but those for the control room for one of the instruments (not incidentally the one that got filmed in the piece - but at least there was no blue liquid!) But they are in fact necessary to keep the instrument running and processing data efficiently.
- Cameron Neylon
Bill, I am afraid your DC is heads on :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I can imagine a report from 1670, a full five years after the creation of academic journals, concluding that virtually no scientists were using academic journals as a matter of course, and thus they are useless. (Technological progress has sped up a lot since 1670, of course. But social change isn't all that much faster, in my opinion. And this is fundamentally a social change.)
- Michael Nielsen
Michael++
- D0r0th34
I think we also tend to forget the granddaddy social software: email. In some fields there are tremendously active listservs that have been around for over a decade especially at research universities where faculty got email before it really caught on in the wider world. What evidence would convince a scientist that Facebook, LinkedIn or Twitter offer better communication opportunities than an archived listserv?
- Jenny Reiswig
Well, aren't most scientists using email as "communication opportunities" and nothing else? (social network, listserv etc)?
- Maxine
were observations limited to sites specifically designed for scientists? perhaps to the exclusion of other significant mainstream platforms like facebook or twitter
- Mike Chelen
Anyone using using social referencing for journal clubs? - http://twitter.com/actuala...
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Alex is : Exploring social referencing apps to deliver training about using them for an online journal club. Anyone used them for this purpose?
- Jo Badge
from Bookmarklet
I was pretty sure someone on here would have done this before - anyone?
- Jo Badge
Well, we're going to do it via CiteULike next term...
- AJCann
I'm thinking of using Mendeley to store the docs and google mailing lists to host and manage the discussions.... I'm not sure I can work with the built in "notes" section in Mendeley or CiteUlike etc....
- Alex (ActualAl)
I wish something like this would exist: http://bjoern.brembs.net/comment...
- Björn Brembs
Alex, did you know you can also annotate PDFs within Mendeley and share the annotated versions (full text) with a limited group?
- Mr. Gunn
@ Mr. Gunn: Can everyone in the limited group edit the same doc simultaneously?
- Steve Koch
Steve, version control and conflict resolution for concurrent editing is under development. The dev preview (0.9.5 http://www.mendeley.com/downloa... release notes http://www.mendeley.com/release...) has some of these features like conflict resolution already. I haven't tried that feature out, but if you want to give it a go, I'll mark up a couple docs with you.
- Mr. Gunn
You can also have a shared reference list in Zotero and pipe the RSS feed to a Friendfeed group for discussion.
- Pedro Beltrao
SPECIAL REPORT Reuters - Are doctors what ails U.S. healthcare? (via @ivanoransky) [more doctors !=better outcomes, = higher costs] - http://www.reuters.com/article...
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"What's more, the Dartmouth analysis shows, clusters of doctors tend to result in higher health care costs -- and, perhaps most surprisingly, outcomes aren't any better in cities with the largest physician populations."
- Mr. Gunn
from Bookmarklet
there was a great This American Life podcast all about this recently : http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_E...
- Jo Badge
Cool, thanks Jo
- Mr. Gunn
Danish pupils use web in exams (BBC report) - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
Interesting move by the Danish government. Raises lot sof issues about assessment, the nature of the questions, what we are training students for and academic integrity.
- Jo Badge
from Bookmarklet
Open book exams are not new. Students taking exam questions away and returning a week later with an essay was happening 30 years ago.
- AJCann
I agree, but this makes it more upfront and challenges what we think of as an exam - bits of paper and a pen. Who needs those anymore?
- Jo Badge
I've always favoured the format used for the entry exam to the Chinese Civil Service during the Han dynasty.
- AJCann
Re: Has Blackboard outlived its shelf-life? - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"Ah ha - the pop up had popped up off the bottom of the page. Silly me not to have found it. Interesting post Dr Cann. I guess the question is do we care? If we are going to follow the students to their place of conversation and meet them there, why not have a hub to 'keep stuff' in and talk elsewhere? We do it all the time."
- Jo Badge
Reflections on Science 2.0 from a distance - Part I - http://blog.openwetware.org/science...
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Interesting point - could only track down Jon's tweet via Friendfeed. Possibly an argument for piping mine back in - or perhaps setting up a secondary account for archiving...
- Cameron Neylon
a secondary acct for archiving is a good idea.We tend to pull the RSS from tags on the day of any event and stick them in FF or google reader. Having an RSS feed of your own tweets into GR could work too. Tweetstream is definitely pretty transient these days.
- Jo Badge
I use FF as a searchable repository of my tweets, at least for now.
- Bora Zivkovic
The third para of that post was delightful. I also use FF exactly as Bora does, and to search for the tweets of some others. In fact I've toyed with setting up 'imaginary friends' of people / corporate tweets which don't have an FF account for this purpose but haven't got round to it yet. I really don't use FF enough!
- Jo Brodie
Love it: "...the natural unit of science research is the blog post".
- Bill Hooker
Next-gen PhDs fail to find Web 2.0's 'on-switch' - http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story...
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Why am I not suprised...?
- Cameron Neylon
saw the press release for the original piece of work behind that yesterday here: http://www.rin.ac.uk/our-wor...
- Jo Badge
Like as in "I share your...concern? Despair?"
- Neil Saunders
Ah I missed that - also interesting in the context of the NIH grants - anyone tracked any more information on those projects?
- Cameron Neylon
I don't really despair but assuming that group culture and practice will change because some young people come in isn't suprising. Search happens with a single person, so they will use those tools, but social bookmarking requires groups acting together. This means that you at least need critical mass within the group, or more likely, active encouragement from the top.
- Cameron Neylon
Change is happening, But ... very ... slowly.
- AJCann
hmm, just skimming the report (from Brisith library) says that librarians need to reconnect with scientists - errr, when were they connected?
- Jo Badge
I'll set the librarians on you.
- AJCann
and here we are. what? oh, well, it's a given that people contact their friends first before the librarian - that's been found in our literature for probably close to 100 years. i'm thinking that search engines probably are above friends now... .what's really great is if you're friends with a ton of your scientists and engineers so even if they don't call "the library" they say, "well I'll just call Christina" (I get that a lot)
- Christina Pikas
but about the article - I'm happy to see this because it supports the findings of the first wave of articles on the uptake of ICTs in science from the 90s. 1)it's not just a matter of time, 2) it isn't necessarily a matter of age (not all youngsters want to try or know how to use all new technologies), etc.3) usage across areas of science will differ
- Christina Pikas
*bays at the moon* *sniffs* *catches a whiff of scientist* AROOOOOOOO! *chases*
- D0r0th34
From Jo's comment, an outside observer would have to ask: Is it that science librarians make no effort to connect with researchers (which, given people like John D. and Christina P., I find VERY hard to believe) or that researchers show no interest in a connection? "You can lead a horse to water" and all that... but what do I know, being neither a scientist nor a librarian?
- Walt Crawford
I think another aspect of this is the plain old fashioned 24 hour day. My students -- and yes, they are undergrads -- are absorbing so much content information that they MUST learn or they fail, and doing so much volunteer/shadowing that they MUST do or they cannot get into grad school, and even those doing research are so busy learning western blots and how not to screw things up that...
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- Mickey Schafer
I'm wondering what our generation is going to say the one after us is failing to adopt. Seems to me like there's an unspoken assumption behind the question - either there has to be mass uptake for it to be useful or something along the lines of "What's the business model?" These questions invariably seem to come as people are trying to justify the use of web20 tools to themselves or...
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- Mr. Gunn
Authors beware, and protect your online identity - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
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errr - authors who give out their user details deserve what they get!
- Jo Badge
I'm not sure I've understood the implications of this, but isn't just like an account on any other service?
- AJCann
well, another option would be for journal submission systems to drop the requirement that only the corresponding author can submit. it should be enough to let the PI verify the submission.
- Michael Kuhn
Re: Reflective FriendFolios - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"I like the stripped down criteria. I guess the quesitons are going to be 'what is an update?' what is a reflective comment? Are we going to build an examplar? what about sharing and networking? what about subscribing? tagging? sorry, that's lots of questions for which I don't have answers, just trying to think around the issue. err btw - what's happened to disqus - where do I log in? pop up was broken on IE 7, so here is my Firefox version :-)"
- Jo Badge
The Complete Guide to Google Wave: How to Use Google Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/
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A comprehensive user manual by Gina Trapani with Adam Pash. Nice job.
- AJCann
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So it seems (from reading the first chapter) that if I rewatch the complete Firefly boxed set I'll just "get" google wave... It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it!:)
- Richard Badge
from Nambu
errr looks rather long... :-(
- Jo Badge
It's very good. It's Wave that's a bit long.
- AJCann
very slow site, seems it's popular. Anyone tried to register and edit anything, since the site's running on a wiki?
- Mr. Gunn
It was quite fast when I used it, but it got bigged up by the tech blogs over the weekend, so I guess the server is getting hammered.
- AJCann
Re: Failure is an option - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"oh dear. Prefacing every question with 'have you read the notes?' getting boring is it? Guess they aren't 'clicking on the related links' either :-("
- Jo Badge
Re: Purpose for Posterous: PhD Research Journal - http://jennifr.net/...
"great idea Jay, I'll be interested to hear how you are getting on with it and will look out for and comment on your posts when I can :-)"
- Jo Badge
OK, I give in -anyone got a spare Wave invite for me? Thanks.
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I'd be happy to receive an invite, too :-) thanks
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Oh is this where the Wave queue is? *stands in line*
- Bob O'Hara
No cutting in! :-)
- AJCann
Can I have your email address - please. I have 5 invites.
- Khader Shameer
steelgraham7 AT gmail DOT com
- Graham Steel
AJCann and Graham : both of you are invited. Got 4 more to share - pls send email address.
- Khader Shameer
Thanks Khader.
- AJCann
sent you a direct message w/ my email address
- Michael Kuhn
If anyone in Wave has spares can they also check the Life Scientists invite list? Drop me you're Wave address (I'm cameronneylon@googlewave.com) and I can add you
- Cameron Neylon
from twhirl
Khader or anyone nice, here's mine: ctt.journal at googlemail.com
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Khader, if you still have some, I am mikael dot huss at the same domain as Claudia above
- Mikael Huss
Hi Khader. neil.swainston_AT_manchester.ac.uk if there are any spares. Thanks.
- Neil Swainston
andrew.sid.lang AT gmail DOT com if you can - thanks!
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Send invites to Michael, Claudia and Huss. Sorry Neil and Bradley.
- Khader Shameer
that's ok Khader - we'll keep trying
- Jean-Claude Bradley
For the public record, I didn't receive a Wave invite from Khader :-(
- Graham Steel
Graham, that was a too early announcement :|, usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation. In Wave's own words "Invitations will not be sent immediately. We have a lot of stamps to lick. "
- Khader Shameer
"usually wave takes a day or two to send the invitation" I was not aware of that, thanks for pointing this out, Khader. Thank you kindly for sending out the invites...
- Graham Steel
Yeah, See you on wave Graham :) !
- Khader Shameer
Thanks anyway, Khader.
- Neil Swainston
I'll add myself to the list of the currently waveless: carlfulp AT gmail DOT com
- Carl Fulp
May as well add my name to the list of those left behind ! elbuono AT gmail DOT com
- Ian Simpson
from twhirl
still holding out - I know that if I get one of these, I'll get sucked into the Waveome and my thesis will soo *never* be done in time!
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Got few more invites: added Ashish, Lucas, Andrew, Carl, Ian :)
- Khader Shameer
Mummi send me your gmail ID.
- Khader Shameer
eCAT: Online electronic lab notebook for scientific research - http://www.citeulike.org/user... (via http://friendfeed.com/dullhun...)
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"eCAT is an electronic lab notebook (ELN) developed by Axiope Limited. It is the first online ELN, the first ELN to be developed in close collaboration with lab scientists, and the first ELN to be targeted at researchers in non-commercial institutions. eCAT was developed in response to feedback from users of a predecessor product. By late 2006 the basic concept had been clarified: a highly scalable web-based collaboration tool that possessed the basic capabilities of commercial ELNs, i.e. a permissions system, controlled sharing, an audit trail, electronic signature and search, and a front end that looked like the electronic counterpart to a paper notebook."
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Posting this to the list coz to solicit some comments from the resident 'gurus' on this topic: I want to push the concept of online lab notebooks to some weblab colleagues, but am not sure which specific bits of kit to point them to. So, quick question: which other ELN solutions are out there (commercial or free/open-source), and how do they compare with this eCAT product described in the paper?
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
see this discussion Mummi: http://ff.im/auUQW Richard is using a wiki in Blackboard as a first step, you could talk to him (he is out of the office today)
- Jo Badge
Thanks Jo. BTW I forgot to include the link to eCAT website: http://www.axiope.com
- 'Mummi' Thorisson
Looks like a somewhat specialized wiki with support for structured data and some other useful features? But perhaps it would make more sense to treat lab notebooks as logbooks that track activities and the flow of samples etc -- in which case wikis might not be the best approach.
- Eric Jain
7 Things You Should Know About Google Wave | EDUCAUSE - http://www.educause.edu/Resourc...
Blimey, seven things already, though at least six of them seem to be 'err you need to know that we don't know much about it or what to do with' ;-)
- Jo Badge
Re: Engaging Students Through In-Class Technology - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"thanks for advertising this Alan - still a few places left. while I'm here - have you updated disqus - I can now see how many comments I've made and I have 14 points - what's that all about - are you grading comments now?! and I can auto-tweet my comments. OOOOO, fancy."
- Jo Badge
Is Dawkins really tweeting? - http://drbadgr.wordpress.com/2009...
I'm not interested in celebrity scientists any more than I'm interested in celebrity sportsmen or celebrity dancers. This disability makes it very hard to live in this society.
- AJCann
oh you poor man. I guess I should deploy my energies elsewhere?! Can't do marking though... done a bit on the alt-n doc, so back to the review :-(
- Jo Badge
Thinking about starting a blog: Want to write about science, change and scientists... Suggestions for hosts and good people to look at?
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You want to write about the science you are doing or science in general?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Hi Jean-Claude, I guess as a nascent "openscientist" I am still at the awkward stage of thinking about what science I want to do in public... So I guess my blog would be about science in general, at least at first.... Cheers Richard Dr Richard Badge, Lecturer Department of Genetics, Office G8C, Adrian Building, University of Leicester, University Road, Leicester LE1 7RH Tel (Office): 0116 2525042 Tel (Lab): 0116 2523416 Fax: 0116 2523378 On 27 Oct 2009, at 10:25, Jean-Claude Bradley wrote:
- Richard Badge
from email
T'is the era of experimentation in communication - I am subscribed to you on FF Richard so when you start your blog you'll add its feed here so we all get it automatically? If you were asking about a platform for blogging lots of people are happy with Blogger - very little hassle.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Start at wordpress.com, which gives you an easy route to upgrade to self-hosted wordpress later on.
- Matt Leifer
Richard, I have a heap of great links from @BoraZ that he sent to me when I started blogging. Gimme a shout if you want a copy.
- Graham Steel
Hmm - some links would be good- still wondering if this is a "learn by doing" situation, but can't resist need to "read around"- thanks for the offer! Richard
- Richard Badge
from email
Richard - if there is ever an appropriate situation for learning by doing I think this is it - very little downside
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Richard - have emailed you Bora's suggested links :)
- Graham Steel
Hmm - lots to read and think about here- will get on it once have decent wifi... Many thanks! Richard
- Richard Badge
from email
If I may add my two cents, as Michael Neilson recently posted (http://econlog.econlib.org/archive...), consider the advice for non-fiction writing to be relevant to blog writing, too. I'm likely a bit more cautious in this area and so not a huge fan of "figure out what you want to say while you're saying it" -- I'd recommend considering what it is you'd like the blog to do for you, perhaps from the perspective of what kinds of questions/ conversations do you want to conduct publicly.
- Mickey Schafer
Event: Pedagogic uses of EVS - http://drbadgr.wordpress.com/2009...
still a few places left if anyone can come to Leicester for this event on 26 november :-)
- Jo Badge
A change in the weather? - http://network.nature.com/people...
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I worry a bit more about the mob element and also the selectivity of the community. Much negative response and little positive. The temptation to create a twitter storm to push a point without requiring much thought or even evidence will be great. In public life, as in science, we need to develop a much greater evidence culture.
- Cameron Neylon
Interesting article. Perhaps there is an element of society that hasn't been engaged in this sort of discussion before. I am of a generation that rarely (very very rarely) reads a newspaper and my news comes from the bbc website or twitter these days. Perhaps we have actually reached the stage of twitter as the citizen journalist? Will it be any better than the traditional media...
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- Jo Badge
This was a very interesting read -- ambiently-produced knowledge; ambiently-directed action. I find myself with the same sense of cautious optimism that Curry mentions by the end of the post.
- Mickey Schafer
Thanks for the comments folks. I do share your concerns Cameron. There was a more negative take on this in The Independent today: http://www.independent.co.uk/news.... I agreed with some of Glover's points - Twitter is more amenable to blind...
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- Stephen Curry
Clay Shirky had a good piece on a bad twitterstorm - http://www.shirky.com/weblog...
- Anders Norgaard
Stephen - agreed. I just meant to say that I got the impression that my sense was a little more towards the negative than yours seemed. Still very many strong positives here. We certainly live in interesting times...but then perhaps everyone does :-)
- Cameron Neylon
No, no - I'm pretty sure the Dark Ages were a crashing bore. *Much* more interesting nowdays! Then again isn't "may you live in interesting times" a Chinese curse!?
- Stephen Curry
Re: Changing the game - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"whatever you use, as long as it isn't illuminate, I don't mind ;-)"
- Jo Badge
Re: I hate lists - or do I? - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"can't you do this already on tweetdeck? I can create columns on there for selected followers. I guess the difference here is that you can share those lists? but you don't want them to be shared, you just want them for personal use?? then use tweetdeck ;-)"
- Jo Badge
Re: FriendFolios - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
"I like the idea of using FF in this way - when? for the BS1010 or BS1011? or are you looking ahead to next academic year? However, I wonder if the object orientated nature of FF may not encourage the 'blog-like' reflection we were hopign for on Wordpress? (and btw if I comment on the blog, but by DISQUS account is pulled into FF, where does it go in FF and will I soon disappear in an infinite loop of my own self posting destruction?)"
- Jo Badge
woo hoo. How cunning is that? here pops up my comments on alan's blog as a related entry on FF.
- Jo Badge
Fwd: RPG potential of Google Wave - http://arstechnica.com/gaming... (via http://friendfeed.com/ajc...)
ONSarchive - home - http://onsarchive.wikispaces.com/
The aim of this wiki is to provide a central place to brainstorm and execute on the challenge of archiving Open Notebook Science (ONS) projects in a way that specific versions of documents can be archived and cited. The participation of libraries would be ideal as objective third party curators. Useful information on preserving wikispaces sites by Andy Lang.
- Jo Badge
Short communication: Online lab books for supervision of project students - http://www.bioscience.heacademy.ac.uk/journal...
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Not really open, but it could be with the flip of a setting. Tags: opennotebookscience ELN Posted by: cwhooker
- Bill Hooker
Great point Bill - that is a big advantage of using a wiki as a lab notebook: it can be made public and indexed on major search engines very quickly. Most ELNs are designed to to keep people out - even if you wanted to you couldn't make them public (and indexed) easily.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Yes, it's a step away from being open and that is an important point, could export it all as html.
- Jo Badge
exactly what I am gearing up to do with my entire group when on sabbatical next year ... students are looking forward to it, but we need to sort them out on our system first. Is there an equivalent journal for Chemistry? I didn't know I could even publish this sort of stuff!
- Anna Croft
@anna I don't think the physical sci HEA subject centre http://www.heacademy.ac.uk/physsci... has an equivalent journal :-(
- Jo Badge
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To be clear it also depends on the wiki platform. On Wikispaces going from private to public just requires a click (and becomes free - you only pay for private wikis). But on Blackboard I am not sure it is even possible to make truly public - and indexable on Google. Does anyone know for sure?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
No, truly public is not an option on Blackboard. In this case study, that was considered an advantage, and with the experience gained, hopefully the participants will have the confidence to move onto a more public architecture.
- AJCann
Teachers might be surprised about student attitudes towards working openly - I gave my 26 students the option of using a pseudonym for our class wiki and none opted for that http://getcheminfo.wikispaces.com/student...
- Jean-Claude Bradley
When we gave our students the option of making wiki-based reflective e-portfolios public or private last year, they split ~50:50 (n = 200).
- AJCann
Mine were not really keen on wiki (we used wikispaces), and the research students are paranoid about true open working, in case they make mistakes ...
- Anna Croft
Mine weren't keen on the wiki either - that's why: http://tinyurl.com/ygqu3bd
- AJCann
in this case, there is the potential to export the wiki, but you are right @jean-cluade, it isn't a simple switch flipping exercise. The supervisor http://friendfeed.com/richard... finds Blackboard a safe option as it is backed up globally and not stored locally in the lab. What back-up facilities do you use on wikispaces?
- Jo Badge
Jo - Wikispaces has options for exporting the entire site as Wikitext or HTML in a zip file. For projects involving Google spreadsheets and other doc types linked to Wikispaces Andy Lang wrote some code others might find helpful: http://onsarchive.wikispaces.com/
- Jean-Claude Bradley
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