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Six netbooks ready for wetbench deployment and wiki-based lab notebook data entry. http://yfrog.com/1x92qej
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Mike Chelen, Steve Koch, Richard Akerman and 5 other people liked this
nice! What is the link to the wiki?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Ahhh, therein lies the rub. When I first proposed the new electronic system to my lab they were very gung-ho and immediately saw the advantages of a searchable, archivable system. However, they seriously balked at the idea of having an open system. For now, the wiki is protected behind our firewall. I hope that in the future I can work on them and convince them to let me lift the veil. We'll see how long it takes.
- Joshua Shaevitz
@Jean-Claude (and others): Any suggestions on how to convince lab members to move to an open model?
- Joshua Shaevitz
too bad Joshua - in my lab keeping an open notebook is a requirement to join the group. I haven't come across a situation where a student has not joined because of that. Usually students are happy that their work will be used. Maybe Steve Koch can comment about the situation when openness was introduced after students joined.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Good call, JC which reminds me that I have an overdue e-interview/blog post to write with/about Steve's students.
- Graham Steel
@Steve Koch, can you comment?
- Joshua Shaevitz
@Joshua. I've pinged Steve since he may not have seen this thread yet.....
- Graham Steel
thanks Graham - good idea
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Cool. In the meantime @Joshua (no pressure, Steve !!) I would suggest checking out this FF page of comment threads http://friendfeed.com/andymal... from one of Steve's students (Andy Maloney) and also this video music mash-up http://steelgraham.posterous.com/koch-la... I did of Koch Lab a few months ago.
- Graham Steel
Hey Josh, Sorry I missed this thread until Graham pointed it out to me. The case in my lab is that we had a private wiki and it was me holding back students from using the open wiki, just out of caution. I was convinced open was good, but still felt like there may have been risks to students that I hadn't thought of. After 1 or 2 years of private wiki, Anthony Salvagno in the lab...
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- Steve Koch
I haven't had to force anyone to use the public wiki, and really noone has even balked at it (as far as I can see), and this includes undergraduate teaching (approx. 35 u-grads so far). I do think that Jean-Claude's rule of doing ONS to join the lab is very fair. In your case, though, the students have already joined, right? My gut still tells me that in the cases of students already...
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- Steve Koch
So, my recommendation would be to use the resources you've found to show them many of the success stories of ONS. Jean-Claude and Cameron have many presentations available on slideshare. Tell them that Anthony in my lab got a side-collaboration because of his open notebook being such a high rank on Google. And then let the boldest students take the leap into ONS and I think the others would follow.
- Steve Koch
Maybe it's not practical for you to only open part of the firewall, though? If not then I'd figure out how to bribe them as a group :)
- Steve Koch
Great advice from Steve - I hope some of your students see the benefit
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Ash and Lightning Above an Icelandic Volcano - http://apod.nasa.gov/apod...
Andrew Spong, Jo Young, Benjamin Tseng and 9 other people liked this
"Why did the recent volcanic eruption in Iceland create so much ash? Although the large ash plume was not unparalleled in its abundance, its location was particularly noticeable because it drifted across such well populated areas. The Eyjafjallajökull volcano in southern Iceland began erupting on March 20, with a second eruption starting under the center of small glacier on April 14. Neither eruption was unusually powerful. The second eruption, however, melted a large amount of glacial ice which then cooled and fragmented lava into gritty glass particles that were carried up with the rising volcanic plume. Pictured above two days ago, lightning bolts illuminate ash pouring out of the Eyjafjallajökull volcano."
- AJCann
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My beef with Iceland: this thing has gone up before, and you knew it would do it again, so that all the world would have to talk about it. Why then did you have to give it such an unspellable jawcracker of a name?!
- Bill Hooker
Agreed, Bill. Eyjafjallajokul is one hellova jawcracker. Full deck:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... That aside, this one is the wordl's first to have it's own twitter account:- http://twitter.com/Eyjafja...
- Graham Steel
I can't believe it has its own Twitter account, although "I'm a lava, not a fighter" had me rolling with laughter
- Benjamin Tseng
Hello Digital Researchers - what do you want to talk about?
Jo Badge liked this
how about how to use friendfeed effectively?
- Jo Badge
Mark Your Calendars - http://vivoweb.org/blog...
Jean-Claude Bradley, Dan Hagon, Jo Badge and Christina Pikas liked this
"Planning has begun for the first annual national VIVO conference to be held August 12-13, 2010 at the New York Hall of Science. Stay tuned for more information!"
- Daniel Mietchen
I would just like to say that that was my last scheduled meeting for the year. Woot!
Dan Hagon, Jo Badge, Chris Granade and Björn Brembs liked this
Oh well, last one out of the lab turn the lights off...http://www.newscientist.com/blogs...
Peter Miller, Jo Badge, AJCann and Alun Salt liked this
the lights will go out automatically due to having no money to pay the bills
- Frank
Aw crap.
- Bill Hooker
"UK is spending less on research today than in 1986, when Margaret Thatcher was prime minister, when CASE was first launched as Save British Science (SBS)."
- Andrew Lang
Ouch!
- Kubke
To put this in context for people overseas this is somewhere between 2 and 10% of the total UK research spend depending on what pot it is coming out of. Probably looking at hundreds to thousands of job losses at academic level and closure of either many departments or a few universities.
- Cameron Neylon
Dorothea- no, not really. Unless it's high end, immediate impact get-it-on-the-news stuff, governemtn doesn't get science. And scientists have been flat out told to 'demonstrate impact'
- Pete
Maybe we could pawn our share of the LHC?
- AJCann
If it were grandstanding it would be more than a single line in a 200 page document unfortunately.
- Cameron Neylon
Damn!
- Björn Brembs
Wow. That's quite a blow. Maybe you should all leave the country. Hard to believe that happened in the UK of all places. Means it could happen to any of us.
- Heather
Well I think there will be large numbers of ex-pat scientists looking at options in China, Australia, US tonight. Been significant incoming population over last ten years but that might start to reverse.
- Cameron Neylon
PM with the Chancellor - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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"It's a winner trust me. Don't think of it as cutting research, it's investing in ignorance with £600m of Economic Impact."
- Alun Salt
Article-Level Metrics and the Evolution of Scientific Impact - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
Kubke, Cesar Sanchez, Bill Anderson and 36 other people liked this
Article on ALMs by myself and Shirley Wu
- Cameron Neylon
I was planning on doing a demo of annotation at PLoS before the end of the year - perhaps this article would be a good candidate. As always, anyone willing to join is welcome.
- Daniel Mietchen
@ Neil: It's at http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc... , and I have added the article as #25 (details missing).
- Daniel Mietchen
i added a note once, but now it won't let me add any other notes :( I don't see a rule about one note per person. I should have held off for a good one.
- Christina Pikas
I also just noticed that my "annotation" - provided the link to StackOverflow - shows up in the general discussion, where the title "Link" certainly is not helpful, and there is no way I can edit it.
- Daniel Mietchen
maybe something is broken, my note appears in general comments but also in that portion of the text as a comment. maybe that's why I couldn't add other notes?
- Christina Pikas
Not sure why you can't add more notes. Certainly been able to in the past. I see both notes where they are supposed to be I think. But they will also appear in the general comments as well I think.
- Cameron Neylon
Great article! I really need to add some comments or notes, just to prove the authors' point :-)
- Björn Brembs
BTW, when does PLoS finally get karma? I've been asking for proper 'show off' userprofiles for like ever :-)
- Björn Brembs
As in PLoS Overflow?
- Cameron Neylon
Cameron, et al. - What's the most useful thing I could do to nurture and support this renewed interest in article level metrics? (not from a competing data product point of view, but a let's get some good technologies out there with good visibility)
- Mr. Gunn
@Cameron: Exactly! I even think having a profile where you can post a pic and see how many papers and comments were published, papers edited, etc.was the very first thing I asked for when I signed up :-)
- Björn Brembs
But it needs to be federated across publishers... :-)
- Cameron Neylon
if authors put in their 'customer' weight, this will go faster, so why not go syndicate :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I think I'll use this paper in my spring thesis class -- this is the main one where I discuss publishing models -- and maybe I'll demo Diigo with this as a class project next to an article that discusses IF.
- Mickey Schafer
While we're on the subject of functionality wish lists, I would also like an embed functionality for PLoS papers. Collecting my publications together but don't want to duplicate copies and reduce googlejuice for the journal - at least not for the OA papers anyway...
- Cameron Neylon
Whilst not a darts-player http://www.flickr.com/photos... , I think Cameron has hit the "triple-twenty" there :)
- Graham Steel
BTW, why isn't there a way to register this thread with the article? Why are we posting here and not on the article? There's got to be a lesson to be learned from this :-)
- Björn Brembs
from iPhone
Done. See comment #4.
- Graham Steel
I've included a link to this thread in a blog post: Article-level metrics getting attention http://ff.im/bGuNY
- Jim Till
+1 Bjoern :-) another question along these lines would be: why does Cameron's intial FF message link to CiteULike and not to http://www.plosbiology.org/article..., or plainly doi:10.1371/journal.pbio.1000242 ?
- Claudia Koltzenburg
Because that was the way I brought the link in. I think that that pointer is appropriate. It is a pointer to the fact that I bookmarked it. Other people linked to the paper directly. Perhaps the issue is that we accidentally aggregated around the "wrong" item to talk about the paper. I'm not sure this is a problem as long as the referral works - its a UI irritation not a problem with...
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- Cameron Neylon
well, not directly, maybe in this ff-thread we're just providing some material for what you say in your paragraph "Technical Solutions to Social Problems", namely: "approaches that gather information from processes that are already part of the typical research workflow are also much more likely to succeed." - even though ff may not be part of 'the typical research workflow' (yet?) - and...
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- Claudia Koltzenburg
That's true, and certainly conversation sparked by the paper. But how to capture that in a way that is useful further down the line might be tough...
- Cameron Neylon
I am still wondering if we would not need at least one metric for each 'scientist type' as described in http://dx.doi.org/10...
- joergkurtwegner
joergkurtwegner -I'm interested to see what tenurometer comes up with re: h-index correction factors for disciplines.
- Mr. Gunn
Zinc and rhinovirus replication - http://www.virology.ws/2009...
Bill Hooker, Jo Badge and Jean-Claude Bradley liked this
Vincent Racaniello posts results to his blog.
- AJCann
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I'm not terribly surprised that 0.2mM Zn upset the cells, though. Serum-free media formulations have pM to nM zinc supplementation. I was actually surprised to see them tolerate 0.1mM Zn so well. Can't wait for the next result!
- Bill Hooker
Simultaneously excited about the prospect of using Friendfeed for teaching next term and pissed off that I didn't start using it this term.
Nils Reinton, Jo Badge, Bill Anderson and 6 other people liked this
Slightly OT, but @AJ, will Socky be appearing in your teaching next term? For those who don't know Socky, check out "The Adventures of Socky and Alan":- http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Graham Steel
Hmm, no plans for Socky on FriendFeed at this stage. He crops up in my weekly statistics videos. Of course, if there's enough demand...
- AJCann
What will you be teaching?
- Miss Elle
Socky mostly teaches statistics, but he also pops up to give students feedback (by hijacking their attention).
- AJCann
I just wished my uni would use anything beyond its walled garden - assessment policy: they don't even accept external links in essays
- Britta Bohlinger
Dilbert comic strips archive at the official Dilbert website - http://dilbert.com/strips/
Jo Badge liked this
Visa, viva, vici! I've got my visa and just passed my viva.
Piotr Byzia, Max, Jo Badge and 12 other people liked this
congratulations!
- Simon Cockell
Thanks everyone. I'm in the pub making the moat of it. Being mocked for going online too.
- Michael Barton
from iPod
Drinks all around ;)
- Pedro Beltrao
Congratulations^2!
- Bill Hooker
Congratulations Michael !
- Pierre Lindenbaum
Congratulations! All the best!
- Ricardo Vidal
Thank you everyone, was nice to read this morning.
- Michael Barton
electronic congrats as well...
- Max
Scientists still not joining social networks -- Scholarly Kitchen -- http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2009...
'Mummi' Thorisson, Mike Chelen, Just Joe and 12 other people liked this
Personally, am not convinced of some of the assumptions, e.g. "...Both are unfortunate, but are parts of the current culture [reference to sharing early lab results]. Any network that hopes to succeed must adapt to the culture of the community, rather than trying to rewrite it." First, though likely rare, I think there are instances where culture gets "re-written" -- another perspective is that this form of communication provides an alternative to established routes. That is, does not replace them but adds to the diversity of communication means.
- Mickey Schafer
The only thing I really disagree with here is that I think there will be a shift towards more open approaches as more examples of success show up. Then everyone will go over the edge like lemmings and there will be a backlash again but by then the funders will be piling in with conditions to push things forward.
- Cameron Neylon
But the funders are the scientists in most cases - so a mixture of pushing from within the community - as well as top down mandates will get us there. The question is how to get the funders into a position where they feel bound to impose mandates _and_ provide the infrastructure that makes it possible to observe them...?
- Cameron Neylon
Fair enough. UK Research Councils case is more nuanced. Even Wellcome Trust policy was driven to a certain extent by the fundees or at least not in the face of belligerent opposition from them. But comparing the independent funders like Wellcome to the Research Councils (run more by councils of academics) is instructive.
- Cameron Neylon
I thought the spin on your lovely shout out for Medeley on ch 4 news was interesting, Cameron (nice monitors btw!). 'government backing for innovators to meet and share' was the message. Have you had any responses to that yet? Maybe systems like Mendeley will be the things that start to crack the nut of social networking for scientists? I'm not sure it's a killer app, more the thin end of the wedge...
- Jo Badge
Shorter DC: I don't like social networks or spend any time on them, so they must be useless.
- Bill Hooker
I'm afraid they're not my monitors but those for the control room for one of the instruments (not incidentally the one that got filmed in the piece - but at least there was no blue liquid!) But they are in fact necessary to keep the instrument running and processing data efficiently.
- Cameron Neylon
Bill, I am afraid your DC is heads on :-)
- Claudia Koltzenburg
I can imagine a report from 1670, a full five years after the creation of academic journals, concluding that virtually no scientists were using academic journals as a matter of course, and thus they are useless. (Technological progress has sped up a lot since 1670, of course. But social change isn't all that much faster, in my opinion. And this is fundamentally a social change.)
- Michael Nielsen
I think we also tend to forget the granddaddy social software: email. In some fields there are tremendously active listservs that have been around for over a decade especially at research universities where faculty got email before it really caught on in the wider world. What evidence would convince a scientist that Facebook, LinkedIn or Twitter offer better communication opportunities than an archived listserv?
- Jenny Reiswig
Well, aren't most scientists using email as "communication opportunities" and nothing else? (social network, listserv etc)?
- Maxine
were observations limited to sites specifically designed for scientists? perhaps to the exclusion of other significant mainstream platforms like facebook or twitter
- Mike Chelen
Jenny: it might be better to gauge usage based either on features such as address book management or by traffic metrics such as size of audience
- Mike Chelen
Daniel Mietchen to Daniel's feed, Science 2.0, Science in the long run, Research Funding 2.0, Young scientists, The Life Scientists
Fwd: Research grants: Let’s end this shared madness by Wellcome Trust director Mark Walport, Times Higher Education - http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/story... (via http://friendfeed.com/dullhun...)
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"So what are we proposing? We will phase out project and programme grants and instead, extend the model of fellowship support to researchers who are salaried by their university or research institute. "
- Daniel Mietchen
"We look to the scientific community to bring us their best ideas." - looks like an invite for another round of Fantasy Science Funding (this time from the perspective of the Wellcome Trust).
- Daniel Mietchen
Having been a Wellcome Trust International Travelling Fellow I've appreciated Wellcome's visionary approach to funding, and applaud their initiative here. This isn't a fantasy, this is Wellcome, and it will happen...
- Richard Badge
I agree, I don't think this is fantasy. They will do what they say. Few, the light is finally dawning.
- Jo Badge
For background on Fantasy Science Funding, see http://ways.org/en... . This piece shall also serve as a basis for an upcoming post on "What would research funding look like if it were invented today?" ( http://ff.im/9SvED ) which is intended to contain a general analysis of the funding situation, combined with some specific examples....
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- Daniel Mietchen
this looks bit but I don't really understand what it means in practice. You apply for a fellowship but does that not mean that you still are asking for the resources for a defined programme of work? If slightly less tightly defined? Will be interested to see what this means in detailed terms.
- Cameron Neylon
Critique: An inward-looking scheme which must eventually collapse due to failure to recruit new talent (and lack of a proper career structure will speed that up). Bye bye UK science.
- AJCann
I would suggest to them to do a significant part of the review process in the open, and to abandon it for some control group that meets basic eligibility criteria.
- Daniel Mietchen
@ajcann cynic ;-) what do you propose instead then? At least they are trying to acknowledge that science is done by good people with good ideas, giving them the freedom to follow those ideas to their logical conclusions and not to a pre-determined end point that you can only guess at.
- Jo Badge
But this strategy cannot be successful in the long term as it is anti-innovative and will inevitably degenerate into an old boys club.
- AJCann
@ AJCann: It has already gone much of that way, and I interpret Walport's piece as a sign of consciousness of the matter and an invitation for constructive criticism, albeit he seems to be very concerned about the opinions of other funders.
- Daniel Mietchen
The Wellcome trust is certainly one of the organizations that are most upfront (and sometimes brutal) in saying what they want and being forceful in maximizing their return on investment. I would certainly give them the benefit of the doubt to some extent on this one. But there is also something of a perception that it is something of a closed club. Partly this is down to a conscious...
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- Cameron Neylon
Yes, but not a viable strategy for UK science overall. It works for Wellcome as long as they can cannibalize the fresh talent funded by someone else. It won't work over the longer term is all (or most) agencies go down this route.
- AJCann
Well at least junior researchers can apply for an EPSRC grant.
- AJCann
Alan, let me ask the tough question - _is_ there a viable strategy for UK science overall? As in a strategy that views UK science in isolation? Having just got back from China I've got to say it certainly feels like we're toast unless we build our personnel and physical infrastructure in a bigger framework.
- Cameron Neylon
Probably not at the present/proposed levels of funding and considering what is being asked. Developing economies regard fundamental research as a route to prosperity. Decaying economies seems to regard science funding as a drain. It would be possible to fund selected areas, e.g. sustainable technologies, healthcare, and focus limited funding, but in this proposal inadequate funding is...
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- AJCann
It's interesting how explicit that is in the China case. The spending of money to speed development as well as to bring people back to support this. Building a new campus expected to house 20,000 scientists in a five year timeframe just doesn't seem to bother them. At the same time the heirachical and top down nature of the society and organization of their science doesn't seem to support radical developments. Will be very interesting to watch though.
- Cameron Neylon
Has anyone played with http://feedzero.com ? I'm currently training my set of feeds, and haven't quite got to where the recommendations make up for the web-only interface. Friendfeed still beats it.
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intriguing, what feeds do you put in there? I'm trying with TOCs of journals. How do you compare FF with feedzero? Didn't know FF had bayesian or other algorithmic filters.
- aarontay
FF doesn't have bayesian filters. They do use a ranking for their "best of day" feature, but it mostly comes from user activity, so the comparison is between purely algorithmic rank and social filtering. So far, social filtering FTW!
- Mr. Gunn
As far as what feeds I'm putting in, I just uploaded my whole OPML file. Took some time to sync, but works pretty well.
- Mr. Gunn
Well social filtering is great if it's things people are reading, but with Tocs of journals, doubtful FF can help you filter.
- aarontay
I'm not using bayesian filters for my "normal" rss blog feeds, think social filtering will work better, but for tocs of journals, where i'm looking for articles in my research area, i dont know any peers in this area, so bayesian filter is the only alternative
- aarontay
But it can! If my contacts are reading the same journals I am, and feeding in here things they're bookmarked using a bookmarking service, it brings those things to my attention.
- Mr. Gunn
Yes, that's my problem, I don't know any contacts working in the same area (besides my supervisor!), a problem facing many starting grad student, so we can't rely on social filters. Also i suppose it's a lazy way to prioritize journals, if you want to at least glance at them if you dont trust your social filters.
- aarontay
Deepak had some comments on learning to trust your social filters a while back, but yeah, it's hard sometimes. In other news...citeulike has a recommendation feature and Mendeley's great recommendations feature is coming soon.
- Mr. Gunn
Here's the question, are these recommendations based solely on social activity? What if you are working in an area that no-one else is (very likely particularly these days where a small percentage of people are only on such networks). Machine learning techniques like bayesian filtering would be very helpful.
- aarontay
Yes, that's certainly true. I always think of it as Bayesian filtering helps you find the best stuff you already know you like, whereas social search helps you find stuff you didn't know you were looking for,
- Mr. Gunn
I haven't, but now I'm going to. Looks interesting.
- Bill Hooker
In case you are interested in bayesian filtering, the other alternative is suxtor http://icbl.macs.hw.ac.uk/sux0r20... , which ls less commercial. There's a interesting project going along http://bayesianfeedfilter.wordpress.com/ .
- aarontay
I think I might have originally seen that from one of your tweets, actually.
- Mr. Gunn
Yes. I'm working on a blog post on bayesian filtering of rss feeds actually.. several alternatives
- aarontay
I keep hearing rumors of a product that will blow services like feedzero away, but haven't seen so much as a screenshot yet.
- Mr. Gunn
You can setup your own install, or just use the one hosted by Heriot-Watt University. The people there are pretty interested in feedback. main disadvantage so far, can't import opml! Also feeds needs to be approved by admin.
- aarontay
No OPML import is a major dealbreaker for me, unfortunately.
- Mr. Gunn
There's a beta- invitation only feedscrub/ rss bayesian filter, you can get the invitation code on some site, techcrunch or something. 1 got 5 invites if anyone wants them. the free version does only 5 feeds though, but the premium allows opml import. Also playing with hacks like converting rss feeds to POP/IMAP/NNTP then using POPFILE for bayesian filtering.
- aarontay
Converting posts to emails and filtering using the more well-developed tools available for spam is a interesting idea, but it's kinda hacky, isn't it? My income of feed items is way larger than emails - wouldn't that make popfile choke?
- Mr. Gunn
Yeah it's hacky. I've used Popfile for a couple of years in the past before i switched mostly to gmail, i remember going on holiday and coming back and it could handle hundreds of mails incoming at a time (think the mail server timed out first), but it's possible your rss feeds exceeds that by far. God knows i have thousands of unread articles in google reader.
- aarontay
Yeah, thousands, at least. There are whole categories of feeds I don't read directly, only filter/search.
- Mr. Gunn
Incredible video about a guy selling 500 types of soda pop http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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very nice
- Thierry Lhôte
Early data from citeulike's automated article recommender http://blog.citeulike.org/...
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Head in the clouds: Re-imagining the experimental laboratory record for the web-based networked world - http://www.citeulike.org/user...
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Really must figure out how to set the citeulike feed so as not to push my own papers through to here :-)
- Cameron Neylon
Nowt wrong with publishing in multiple channels for different audiences.
- AJCann
Try doing a FF search for "citeulike" and then say that again! :-)
- Fergus Gallagher
Yes, my concern is that I'm publishing the same content in on aggregated channel to the same audience...I guess this is why people like posterous as a central wrangling house so much
- Cameron Neylon
The Complete Guide to Google Wave: How to Use Google Wave - http://completewaveguide.com/
Jodi Schneider, Ian Simpson, Jack H. Pincus and 6 other people liked this
A comprehensive user manual by Gina Trapani with Adam Pash. Nice job.
- AJCann
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So it seems (from reading the first chapter) that if I rewatch the complete Firefly boxed set I'll just "get" google wave... It's a tough job but somebody's got to do it!:)
- Richard Badge
from Nambu
errr looks rather long... :-(
- Jo Badge
It's very good. It's Wave that's a bit long.
- AJCann
very slow site, seems it's popular. Anyone tried to register and edit anything, since the site's running on a wiki?
- Mr. Gunn
It was quite fast when I used it, but it got bigged up by the tech blogs over the weekend, so I guess the server is getting hammered.
- AJCann
youtube timer anxiety: I get really anxious at the end of youtube and other videos which show the time remaining. "There's no way this video will finish with only 5 seconds remaining!" But it somehow always does, exactly on time. Producers could save me a lot of stress if they'd pad their videos with 10 seconds of closing credits.
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Yes: I have a proposal due tomorrow morning. "There's no way this proposal will write itself with only 12 hours remaining!"
- Steve Koch
*Cell* wonders out loud... Scientists, Should You Be Tweeting? - http://www.cell.com/fulltex...
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With mentions of @phylogenomics, @girlscientist, @sciencebase and @dgmacarthur
- Noah Gray
from Bookmarklet
I really hope David Crotty tells us his opinion on this.
- Mr. Gunn
*fluff*
- Graham Steel
too bad they did not mention friendfeed
- Pedro Beltrao
You mean Facefeed, don't you?
- Noah Gray
Mr Gunn wins the thread.
- Bill Hooker
No, it's Friendface: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- The Neurocritic
He's written about social networks, anyway, http://www.cshblogs.org/cshprot...
- Maxine
Yes, Maxine, he certainly has. He didn't link to the earlier posts, but he used to be quite firmly in the "blogging is a waste of time, now get back to the bench" camp.
- Mr. Gunn
"Torn" by Johann Lippowitz with Natalie Imbruglia - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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"Head in the Clouds" - A paper on Web-native lab notebooks in a new BMC journal: http://www.aejournal.net/content...
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Cameron visited our lab today! Here's a photo of Cameron discussing the tweezers with Anthony. I'm doing my best to suck my gut in.
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Was an awesome day. Thank you so much for traveling and spending time with us today, Cameron! I learned a lot about science and means for carrying out open science. I'm energized about what seems like a very nice future protein-DNA collaboration. And I'm also energized about trying to implement some of the LaBlog and Google wave things you demoed for us.
- Steve Koch
I agree it was a great visit. I enjoyed showing you the version of the $100 spectrometer I'm working on and all the great conversation. I hope KochLab can start a collaboration with our friends across the pond.
- Andy Maloney
from iPhone
I think I'm going to put some nuggets of information from today onto this thread. Here is a link to the Neylon, Ward, Towrie, and Parker Tus-Ter single-molecule proposal (linked in Cameron's open notebook; see PDF at the bottom): http://blogs.chem.soton.ac.uk/sortase... I think that the system they are studying fits...
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- Steve Koch
I started learning more acronyms having to do with open and linked data. RDF = Resource Description Framework http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... There was some other acronym that I can't remember or find that Cameron was suggesting as a way of bundling an entire open data set of arbitrary format...lots of vowels, something like OAI... "open access...? NOTE...
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- Steve Koch
Cameron showed us some of the robots he and others have programmed for Google Wave. I learned that it's not crazily complicated to write a robot, and that you can use Google App Engine (http://code.google.com/appengi...) to host your code and run the robot. It currently runs Python and now Java. I still don't understand how it connects with Wave, but it solves a mystery to me of...
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- Steve Koch
(Coincidentally (or maybe not), right after waving with Cameron, Google Wave gave me my 20 invites to send out. Let me know if you need one!)
- Steve Koch
I'm sure Cameron and others have already said this in their many fantastic presentations and blog posts about wave. But I was happy to hear Cameron agree with my thinking that google wave + robots would be a very good way of handling data analysis workflows. When we process unzipping data, there are a few layers of software involved. I imagine each software application being run in the...
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- Steve Koch
Cameron's current LaBLog at Rutherford can be found here: http://biolab.isis.rl.ac.uk/cameron... Hopefully I'll be able to get access to this to see the edit features (I "requested" an account by logging in with my yahoo openid). I had previously been impressed by the notebook, but today was really wowed when I saw him edit a new entry. The particular things was the ability to...
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- Steve Koch
+1 for a Wave invite, please (pmiller@liv.ac.uk).
- Peter Miller
That's wonderful that Cameron visited your lab Steve! For all the usefulness of communication technologies nothing can replace a productive meatspace interaction.
- Jean-Claude Bradley
I had a great time - meeting and talking with Koch and the team. Lots of very cool stuff going on and lots of ideas that just seemed to bubble out of it. The meatspace interaction is really important but having that bit of background about what was going on and the context and trust built up here on Friendfeed amongst other places makes the whole discussion a lot quicker and more interesting.
- Cameron Neylon
Agree -- pre-meeting definitely made the in-person meeting very quick to start off. & @Peter Miller, sent the invite
- Steve Koch
Sounds like a fun (and productive!) day - thanks for sharing it with us, Steve. Also, I would appreciate a Wave invite (if you have any left!) - thanks! tom.tullius@gmail.com
- Tom Tullius
I hope to see some cool pics from this meet-up on Flickr :) Science builds upon Science especially in terms of ONS !! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3358...
- Graham Steel
@Tom sent invite (fyi it takes several days to arrive) @Graham I think this is the only picture they got, unfortunately!
- Steve Koch
@Steve, Auch well. Best I can do with this 20.kB image is to B&W it, with a bit of res. conf.:- http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2620...
- Graham Steel
@Graham, I think I'm missing something. Is there a whole slew of cool open science photos on Flickr somewhere?
- Steve Koch
@Steve - I don't think there is..... yet. I take that back. Starter for 10 with http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089...
- Graham Steel
Thanks for wave, Steve
- Peter Miller
Thanks, Steve
- Tom Tullius
from iPod
A few comments back, I was simply looking through this filter http://search.creativecommons.org/... with open science - At worst, some really cool Flickr/CC images for future usage for anyone.
- Graham Steel
It occurs to me that in virtually every photo of me online I'm wearing the same jacket and same shirt. Typical academic...
- Cameron Neylon
@Graham, loved that one: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3089...
- Steve Koch
Cameron let me in on the mystery acronym: OAI-ORE "Open Archives Initiative" "Object Reuse and Exchange." http://www.openarchives.org/ore...
- Steve Koch
For images there are the ONS logos created by Andy Lang and Shirley Wu http://onsclaims.wikispaces.com/
- Jean-Claude Bradley
Good resource for understanding ethical writing -- and written for students in the sciences (much work on plagiarism and such is done from a humanities perspective) -- "Avoiding plagiarism, self-plagiarism, and other questionable writing practices: A guide to ethical writing" -- http://facpub.stjohns.edu/~roigm... -- freely available
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ah, so self-plagiarism would be to include one's prior works without proper citation?
- Mike Chelen
An interesting and useful distinction between research and scholarly writing and ordinary freelance writing. For freelancers, "self-plagiarism" is another term for survival--reusing good material in as many venues as possible.
- Walt Crawford
Self-plagiarism is the one that trips most students up -- in fact, I was asked privately by a colleague to defend a student (freshman) who's failed a class b/c of this; my colleague had never heard of such a thing. But, rather like publishing a paper, you are not allowed to use the same work twice w/out instructor permission. One rather frequent violation is among my premed students who...
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- Mickey Schafer
Walt -- and the same goes for teaching! Imagine never being able to use a lesson plan or activity in a class with a different employer. But the model in college/university is much closer to that of academic publishing as opposed to almost any other kind of trade publication. Personally (and I teach my students this strategy), while in college, I would take at least 2 classes similar enough in content that I could at least share part of a bibliography, even if the papers I wrote were distinct.
- Mickey Schafer
Pages 11-15 on "highly technical language" are the ones I really focus on -- my answer to this is to teach students to synthesize sources, which is what this little blurb is aimed to do: http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users...
- Mickey Schafer
@mickey your synthesising sources blurb is fab stuff! Do you mind if I share it with some colleagues at Leicester? we have an online tutorial designed to help students avoid plagiarism - see: http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices... the first one was written for biologists, but then it went on to be customised for lots of subjects. The subject specific nature helps deal with some of the issues you have raised above.
- Jo Badge
I'd be happy for you to use it, Jo! It's the rough draft of part of a "manuscript" I've been working on for too long now. Considering just tidying everything up and dumping it online somewhere to see if it can be of use. For my classes, I do dredge up discipline-specific examples for students to practice on. I pull out individual paragraphs rather than have them look at whole articles -- it's all for practice before writing review papers.
- Mickey Schafer
Are any bench scientists out there planning to use, or already using Google Wave as en electronic lab notebook?
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Siamak Ashrafi is a is a Bio-Computational Specialist at TDI. I don't know if he's using Wave for notes but he created this great demo of how Wave can be used in a healthcare setting http://www.ylabz.com/
- Matt M Perez
Does that mean you have an invite?
- Hari
Unfortunately, my account came without invites of its own. I talked to a Wave evangelist and he said that they may be turned on "later."
- Matt M Perez
Yes! It's the main direction I want to go in to be honest. Not doing it yet but thinking about how best to implement. See slides at: http://www.slideshare.net/Cameron... and Allyson Lister's blog of the talk at: http://themindwobbles.wordpress.com/2009...
- Cameron Neylon
Can we share waves publically now?
- Egon Willighagen
I don't think the embed API allows you to make them public. There is a robot called bloggy that is supposed to push a wave to a wordpress blog I think.
- Cameron Neylon
Just ran across: http://www.aigarius.com/blog...
- Egon Willighagen
Making a wave public allows people without wave accounts to see it too?
- Egon Willighagen
I would love to try but still have not been able to get my collaborator Andy on, let alone my students. Any estimate of when anyone can get an account?
- Jean-Claude Bradley
@Hari, i got an invite from a family member. Can't really evaluate how good it is without putting it through its paces in a collaboration as per (http://danieltenner.com/posts...). But reading Cameron Neylon's article in Nature made me think about using it as a real lab notebook. The support for asynchrony and version control give it a clear advantage over traditional paper or electronic lab notebooks
- Wladimir Labeikovsky
I would like to, but it's not even in beta. Only by invites and only for developers to get a feedback
- Alexey
I am intrigued, but would need to know more about security, privacy and how to write robots... There is clearly huge potential here, but the artificial scarcity schtick is wearing thin for me...
- Richard Badge
from Nambu
I think current security is such that if you are worried you would need to have your own private sandboxed server. Really though that is just using Wave as a CMS system rather than anything else - there would probably be easier ways to get the same functionality. I think the key will be having trust mediated through specific gadgets, robots, and of course people. At the end of the day, put something in an email and someone can forward it to anyone. The same applies here as soon as you add a participant.
- Cameron Neylon
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