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Cameron Neylon
“You’re not published, you’re privated” | Digital // Literate - http://www.christopherdickman.org/archive...
“if you publish in a journal which charges for access, you are not published, you are privated. Published means to make public. If the public does not have access to it except for by a fee, it is not public, it is private.” - Dave Parry - Cameron Neylon from Bookmarklet
"We should start conceiving scholarship as if it will not end up in books" (Dave Parry at ca. 1min in of http://vimeo.com/11359514 ). The quote mentioned by Cameron comes at around 1:50min. - Daniel Mietchen
"Publishing and editing is a hack based on the scarcity of paper; no need to carry it over to the new media" (4:10) - Daniel Mietchen
His notes for the talk are at http://academhack.outsidethetext.com/home... . Main points: Stop Publishing in Closed Systems/ Self Publish/ End the .pdf madness/ Get Over Peer Review/ Aspire to Be a Curator/ Think Beyond the Book. - Daniel Mietchen
"Think of the book as one form, not the form. Indeed think of things that move beyond the book. What if you are writing didn’t have to be stable, didn’t have to have a final version, what if you could constantly update, change alter, make available your work. There will be no final copy, just the most recent version." (ca. 14:00) - Daniel Mietchen
Martin Fenner
Richard Carter, FCD
Doctors call for homeopathy ban - Telegraph - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health...
Hundreds of doctors will this week call for a ban on NHS funding for homeopathic treatments. - Richard Carter, FCD
Andrew Perry
Apple Sidra, without chemical ingredients. Tastes the way it's spelt - just a little wrong. http://twitpic.com/1zo2z1
Apple Sidra, without chemical ingredients. Tastes the way it's spelt - just a little wrong. http://twitpic.com/1zo2z1
I used to drink those all the time - Benjamin Tseng
The flavour grows on you. I think I was just initially shocked as I was expecting something more like the 'real' apple cider I'm used to. - Andrew Perry from Android
That's funny: "sidra" is Spanish for cider. But I don't think that's the origin of the word in Apple Sidra, as the same company "produces a yogurt-flavoured soft drink called Milk Sidra" !! http://is.gd/d3udA - Cesar Sanchez
Oh wow ! I've gotta try and hunt down some of that before I leave Taiwan in a few days. - Andrew Perry
Daniel Mietchen
We Must Stop the Avalanche of Low-Quality Research - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education - http://chronicle.com/article...
"While brilliant and progressive research continues apace here and there, the amount of redundant, inconsequential, and outright poor research has swelled in recent decades, filling countless pages in journals and monographs. Consider this tally from Science two decades ago: Only 45 percent of the articles published in the 4,500 top scientific journals were cited within the first five years after publication. In recent years, the figure seems to have dropped further. In a 2009 article in Online Information Review, Péter Jacsó found that 40.6 percent of the articles published in the top science and social-science journals (the figures do not include the humanities) were cited in the period 2002 to 2006." - Daniel Mietchen from Bookmarklet
"Only if the system of rewards is changed will the avalanche stop. We need policy makers and grant makers to focus not on money for current levels of publication, but rather on finding ways to increase high-quality work and curtail publication of low-quality work. " - Daniel Mietchen
"Most of all, we need to understand that there is such a thing as overpublication, and that pushing thousands of researchers to issue mediocre, forgettable arguments and findings is a terrible misuse of human, as well as fiscal, capital." - Daniel Mietchen
Oh my goodness: "Second, make more use of citation and journal "impact factors"" - No! Please take a look at http://bjoern.brembs.net/comment... instead . - Daniel Mietchen
To which I say: scientific discoveries are like orgasms: there are no bad ones! - Björn Brembs
141 comments so far - no time to crawl through, but #2 is good: "Someone has to break the news, pronto: the internet exists. Moreover, social media exists. How about this proposition: publish anything at all, online, in science blogs. Create and develop interest groups and informal, quick peer review networks based on blogging and wikis. Those papers that actually generated any interest... more... - Daniel Mietchen
Now 142 comments: "I never had to read past the title and the author affiliations. The authors are not scientists, or they would know that scientific discoveries are like orgasms: there are no bad ones. Incompetent drivel of people who try to talk about something they don't understand. Clear example of Dunning Kruger effect." Mine. - Björn Brembs
I collected some blogospheric responses here: http://scienceblogs.com/clock... - Bora Zivkovic
@Daniel I'd like to see high impact journals doing "re-publishing" "Two years ago X at al. published work which made a big impact in the field of Y now lets take it, re-review it in the lights of new findings, put it in a broader contexts and for a broader audience." - marcin
Orgasms are good if they are not fake same applies to scientific results. - marcin
@ marcin: yes, such assessment would be interesting, and it happens, though mostly in the form of reviews, which (although helpful to the reader in many cases) are actually part of the problem in an IF-ruled world - Daniel Mietchen
"Third, change the length of papers published in print..." lol. Talk about rearranging the deckchairs. - Joe Dunckley
What we need is for people to stop judging quality according to "percent acceptance into a journal" or IF. - Mr. Gunn
Agree, Mr. Gunn - and to make manuscripts, reviews and rejection (& acceptance) letters public by default. - Daniel Mietchen
a strangely positive reaction to that article: http://pipeline.corante.com/archive... - Bora Zivkovic
my comment to that post: You wrote: > Too many academic groups seem to me to work on > problems that are beneath them. WTF? You know what will save humanity in 100 years? You know that some scientific discovery beneath you will remain completely irrelevant for as long as anybody can access this result? What kind of astrologist or prophet do you think you are? Einstein famously didn't... more... - Björn Brembs
Rich Apodaca
Holy Cow – University of California system may boycott all Nature Publishing Group Journals - http://scienceblogs.com/christi...
So if the offer doesn't change, UC's going to fight back, and it will hurt. Boy, will it hurt. - Rich Apodaca
Very interesting situation, although not a nice one. If UC manage to coordinate a boycott that includes canceling all subscriptions, ceasing to submit manuscripts to all NPG journals, refusing to act as reviewers for all NPG journals, and resigning from all editorial board positions, it would indeed really hurt. - Lars Juhl Jensen
UC will blink first. I'd be surprised if it could prevent its academics from submitting. - Noel O'Boyle
Well... they only need to postpone submitting... until the issue is resolved... - Egon Willighagen
+1 Greg - Mr. Gunn
AJCann
How could they get it so wrong? - http://scienceoftheinvisible.b...
I think we all should boycott for-profit publishers, as long as the profits are generated from public funds and public research. - Björn Brembs
I do rather disagree with "we're supposed to be on the same side". We're not, and never were. NPG doesn't care about science, or patient care, or you, or me. NPG cares about profit. It's easy to miss that, though, when the people we know who work for NPG certainly are on our side, and do care about the things we care about. - Bill Hooker
Boycott all for-profit TA publishers, certainly. The thing about gold OA is that, even if publishers try to play the same game of ever-increasing prices, there is no 12-month embargo. So nothing is lost if a publisher starts to ask more than we are willing to pay -- we simply go to a competitor, without losing 12 months' access to anything. Real competition means real market efficiency, unlike the artificial scarcity that now gives TA publishers unfair leverage. - Bill Hooker
The point I was getting at Bill is that going to war with your customers is crazy. The interests of scientists and publishers should coincide in a co-operative way in most areas of their business. Something has gone wrong, not just at NPG, but in the commercial science publishing sector in general. Indeed, NPG are not the worst. - AJCann
I can't think of any other business where the customers provide the content (for free) that is sold back to them. - Jo Badge
Iphigenie
Two-wheel triumph - access to information, even simple, changes lives - http://www.guardian.co.uk/journal...
Akhter belongs to a motley band of "InfoLadies," who are piloting a revolutionary idea - giving millions of Bangladeshis, trapped in a cycle of poverty and natural disaster, access to information on their doorstep to improve their chances in life. "Ask me about the pest that's infecting your crop, common skin diseases, how to seek help if your husband beats you or even how to stop having children, and I may have a solution," says a confident Akhter. "An InfoLady's netbook is loaded with content especially compiled and translated in local Bangla language," says Mohammed Forhad Uddin of D.Net, a not-for-profit research organisation that is pioneering access to livelihood information. "It provides answers and solutions to some of the most common problems faced by people in villages." In Bangladesh this means nearly three-quarters of the nearly 160 million that live in rural areas. From agriculture to health, sanitation and disaster management, the content follows simple text, pictures... more... - Iphigenie from Bookmarklet
"The success of the InfoLadies is making the failure of the state more noticeable." - Sad truth. - Ashalynd
nice garden path sentence in the blurb, too -- I'm struggling to work out what doorstep-related information could be so critical, other than "Mind the step". - Joe Dunckley
Martin Fenner
Announcing Science Online London 2010: We are delighted to announce that Nature Network, Mendeley, and the British Library will host Science Online London 2010 on 3-4 September (Fri/Sat) 2010. The event will take place at the British Library.
The conference organising committee comprises Victor Henning (Mendeley), Matt Brown and Lou Woodley (Nature Publishing Group), Sarah Kemmitt (British Library), Richard P. Grant (Faculty of 1000) and Martin Fenner (Hannover Medical School). - Martin Fenner
In the next few days you should find more info at the official webpage (http://www.scienceonlinelondon.org) and Nature Network forum (http://network.nature.com/groups...). The registration page and Wiki for session suggestions will come a little bit later. Unfortunately we will have to charge £50 for registration, as the costs for hosting the event have more than doubled because of the extra day and the larger venue (we expect 250 people instead of 150 people the last two years). - Martin Fenner
You can suggest sessions for Science Online London here, in the Nature Network forum or by sending email to topics@scienceonlinelondon.org. We will set up a session wiki in the coming weeks. Some people have already suggested sessions, we will also put them in the wiki. - Martin Fenner
@Martin, really looking forward to this year's event. This is maybe a bit off-topic for a session idea, but perhaps something on change management from an expert in the field would help with selling the idea of online science to others who just don't get it yet? (http://www.jiscinfonet.ac.uk/infokit...) I'm just thinking back to the session on legal aspects of blogging last year which I think was in a similar vein. - Dan Hagon
Bill Hooker
Took the TSK team very little time to reply with misinformation and slurs. I left the following reply to Esposito: "The relevant quote does not refer to the flagship journals at all: "Given that the costs of publication are fully covered by publication fees, it is true that PLoS ONE has helped to move PLoS much closer towards independent economic sustainability. However, it is also the case that the PLoS Community Journals launched in 2005 are fully economically sustainable through publication fees and are now making a positive financial contribution to our organisation. There is no question that the financial impact of PLoS ONE is important for PLoS and for open-access publishing more broadly..." PLoS Community Journals (Comp Bio, Genetics, NTDs and Pathogens) are NOT the flagship journals (Bio and Med). Readers can decide for themselves who is doing the misleading here; disappointing indeed, Mr Esposito." - Bill Hooker
Original TSK post here, since it's not linked from the PLoS piece: http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2010... - Bill Hooker
Agree, Dorothea! The message is clear and this will only help people hear more quickly, in my opinion. Good work, Pete! - Steve Koch
Dave Lunt
I'm glad BMC Evolutionary Biology supports Netscape Navigator - http://www.biomedcentral.com/bmcevol...
"BMC Evolutionary Biology accepts only online submission. The submission process is compatible with version 3.0 or later of Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigator, and with most other modern web browsers." - Dave Lunt from Bookmarklet
Wikipedia says "AOL formally stopped development of Netscape Navigator on December 28, 2007, but continued supporting the web browser with security updates until March 1, 2008, when AOL canceled technical support." - Dave Lunt
thanks for pointing it out -- the offending material has now quietly disappeared! BMC does of course test its sites in all the usual modern browsers -- though it occasionally forgets the things that it wrote on them eight years ago :) - Joe Dunckley
Andrew Taylor
RT @qwghlm: OK so I got the original photo for that 'unphotoshoppable' Tory poster & Photoshopped it. This is the result http://twitpic.com/1h5bzj
RT @qwghlm: OK so I got the original photo for that 'unphotoshoppable' Tory poster & Photoshopped it. This is the result http://twitpic.com/1h5bzj
Steve Koch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... A group of students have started the wikipedia Science 2.0 article.
Most excellent..... - Graham Steel
Finding the 'talk' page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... rather interesting. Peer review (needs internal linking) of scientific publications helps (is intended to?) to filter out bad science or to correct errors. Unfortunately (the author's POV) this is a slow process (citation?) and the actual publication is often months after its submission (POV that this is a bad thing).... more... - Graham Steel
Seems like this page is currently being moderated by my old mucker Dr Paul Wicks who I like and have known for several years now. Just noted that Paul is on Twitter @paulwicks (account is currently private) .... - Graham Steel
Though I like the idea must I agree that the article is *not* neutral and provides a very narrow view on the topic. I added a few more comments on the talk page and are closing with "Of course, there is much more to discuss and to add, and that is exactly the reason why this articles needs improvement from a broader audience!" - joergkurtwegner
I think the description will have to be changed a bit - most listed examples of Science2.0 are social networking sites and serve to connect people - not to share research results - Jean-Claude Bradley
Martin Fenner
Editorial Peer Reviewers' Recommendations at a General Medical Journal: Are They Reliable and Do Editors Care? - http://blogs.nature.com/mfenner...
There's a certain logic to this :) - Andrew Spong
Graham Steel
Posted via email from Graham's 2.0 Bible thingy. - Graham Steel from Posterous
Nat Torkington
hey scientists, don't bleat to me that the public don't understand your work if you've locked your research up in pay-to-access journals.
Jonathan Eisen
Good words on bad omics words: "A crisis in postgenomic nomenclature" from 2002 - http://phylogenomics.blogspot.com/2010...
Benjamin Good
What would you do with a semantic pubmed? - http://i9606.blogspot.com/2010...
It strikes me that something like that could basically convert Pubmed from a database to a platform enabling all kinds of applications built on top of the data. - Mr. Gunn
I was wondering about that yesterday... is the a RDF version of PubMed? - Egon Willighagen
Build a public domain citation repository? - Cameron Neylon from twhirl
I'm not sure I fully get what you mean with "semantic", but PubMed already contains MeSH terms which enable you to search for concepts, and they also provide links to external data etc. http://www.gopubmed.org/ would be an example of a site that is built on top of PubMed data. - Michael Kuhn
I think there is a little confusion here regarding what I meant by a semantic pubmed.. my fault - should write more clearly. I'm not really thinking about pubmed as a collection of documents at all. I'm really just thinking about the network of concepts buried in its abstracts and linked text. I suppose the 'concept space' in the Wiki Proteins paper describes the central notion fairly... more... - Benjamin Good
(and thanks to Buzz for notifying me of your comments! I've been absent from friendfeed for a long time..) - Benjamin Good
Cameron Neylon
Cheating’s just not worth it - http://blog.benchside.com/2010...
The "blackmailer" may well be someone who has seen what happens to whistleblowers, and knows how few cases of misconduct ever actually make it to the ORI, or result in meaningful sanctions once they get there. Anonymous whistleblowing makes no noise at most institutions, where there is tremendous pressure to sweep misconduct cases under the rug at every opportunity, and so is a waste of time. The "blackmail" angle gets the cops involved, which means it can't be hidden. Hmmm. - Bill Hooker
Bill Hooker
"I'd like to change the world but they won't give me the source code" (http://twitter.com/Cameron...)
I want a slide with a picture of someone wearing that on a t-shirt. Great way to make the point that science is the source code for the world. If we share science more effectively, more people can change the world in more ways. - Bill Hooker
Great quote. +1 for the T-shirt - I'd wear that (as long as it wasn't white). - Andrew Perry
Karen James
This tweet, while hilarious, will NOT be winning the comp RT @naontiotami #ilovedarwin because he gave out some wicked front-hugs, yo.
Shirley Wu
Why Hasn’t Scientific Publishing Been Disrupted Already? - http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2010...
Very thorough article! One might want to add that few industries would be able to sustain decades-long hyperinflation (to the point of >400% in 20 years) if it wasn't for the tax-payer coughing up the funds. Much of the disruption of traditional media comes from the shift of funds. Let the funds shift and scholarly publishing would be disrupted as all the other media sectors - despite any of the services they now provide for academia. - Björn Brembs
Karen James
Daily #fail RT @mjrobbins: Daily Mail: Mistletoe cures cancer. *facepalm* http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health...
Cameron Neylon
Twitter, Facebook, and Open Access [hellip] - http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal...
Not what you might expect from Angewandte Chemie... - Cameron Neylon
via Anna Croft - Cameron Neylon
See also this discussion: http://friendfeed.com/science... - Martin Fenner
Bosco Ho
You're Just Not that into Science - http://boscoh.com/science...
Hmm, good point. There may even be some Atlantic divide in this. Not necessarily wrt social media, but wrt interest outside one's own field. Moreover, I'd speculate that there also is an age gap: as you get older, you feel confident enough also to look outside of your own field, because you've learned enough so your own field doesn't require all of your capacities any more. - Björn Brembs
Richard P Grant
I'm the Information architect at http://f1000.com. We're thinking about an API. What we need are specific worked examples of what people might like to do with an f1000 API, to help us to decide what to build first (and to prioritize the development). Please suggest things here, or privately. Thanks.
What do you mean worked examples? In our open URL resolver article page we using the Scopus and the WoS APIs to provide links to similar articles and citing articles. It would be cool to be able to add if the article has been reviewed in f1000. This blog post describes: http://bibwild.wordpress.com/2009... . Is that what you're looking for or? - Christina Pikas
Thanks guys, this is a great start. The friendfeed one is particularly toothsome. - Richard P Grant
Neil's comment cuts to the core of the issue. Also the comment that I think I made when you started that every view, every possible web page that you serve to the user should have an RSS feed. The two statements amount to the same thing really. Use cases are still helpful obviously but if the philosophy is basically that this is essentially the net enabled version of your database is adopted I think its hard to go wrong. - Cameron Neylon
yeah, that's cool, thanks. We do have RSS on the dev site now: at least for every page that has changing information. - Richard P Grant
Graham Steel
Why machine-readable data should matter to you - http://blogs.openaccesscentral.com/blogs...
PQ - "One of the things we do here at PhysMath Central (and our sister companies BioMed and Chemistry Central) which not all publishers do is format our full-text articles in freely-available XML and MathML. From a production point of view it makes sense as we can generate html and pdf versions of the article from the same source, but beyond that there are a plethora of possibilities that anyone could exploit due to their machine-readability. However it seems that machine-readable documents have yet to find an enthusiastic audience beyond a few data-miniing specialists." - Graham Steel
Hadn't seen this post before. Lovez the Slideshare http://www.slideshare.net/dmje... from Mike Ellis. Also See Mike's post "Pushing MRD out from under the geek rock" http://electronicmuseum.org.uk/2009... - Graham Steel
Mike and Chris are both folks fighting the good fight (see also http://blog.openwetware.org/science... for where I first came across Mike) - Cameron Neylon
Thanks for that, Cameron. - Graham Steel
Cameron Neylon
Nice simple starting point. Philosophy here is to make it easy for the user to connect up objects that already exist somewhere on the web when they write up a lab report. - Cameron Neylon
I am particularly interesting in the 'publish-in-database-x' features... someone mumbling ChemPedia? - Egon Willighagen
My thinking at the moment is limited to some sort of centralised data store just so that we can keep things simple in terms of building an exemplar. So objects get pushed via REST to the store and then the store generates RSS feeds. Theory being that in the longer term one can build "plugins" for any service that has a REST deposition system and generates a suitable RSS/Atom feed. - Cameron Neylon
Very interesting. - Jill O'Neill
incidentally the other half of this is something that looks like DropBox on scientific steroids. Files dropped into a directory get posted as blobs to the store with whatever metadata can possibly be captured - as far as possible with no user intervention. - Cameron Neylon
Jonathan Eisen
Is Peer Review Broken? - Genome Technology article on some issues w/ peer review - http://www.genomeweb.com/peer-re...
Bosco Ho
The bioinformatic-journal/software hydrid - http://boscoh.com/protein...
Bosco, this is a superb idea. Along with starting up a new journal/software hybrid, it will be great if existing journals insist users to submit source code, executable or VM of a bioinformatics software / database / server to a centralized repository like 'biohub.org'. - Khader Shameer
This is a good idea. - Michael Barton
While not linked to an actual repository (but rather, provides a snapshot of the s/w and data for the article), Journal of Statistical Software, does pretty much this - Rajarshi Guha
@Frank, this makes sense, since otherwise the paper would be static and refer to old versions. But then this assumes that as the s/w is updated, so is the paper - Rajarshi Guha
me likey too - Deepak Singh
The more I think about it, the more I think some big-wig bioinformaticians should do a deal with Google Code to edit a journal. That might even align with Google Scholar. - Bosco Ho
@Frank, in that case, why bother with a VCS? Why not just put a tarball with the source code for the version that goes with the paper? - Rajarshi Guha
Great idea, but I can't see it working for data sets. Yes data sets evolve and should track provenance somehow, but having been in and around standards groups for some time now, this is an impossible task for a publishing group to take care of, especially considering the nature of big-data bioinformatics. Plus if goes against best practices for software source control (use factories, don't store your database...) - delagoya
There are some interesting and non-trivial questions around this kind of idea as to what peer review should look like. Should such a journal provide virtualisation environments so that the code can be run? Example data should be a requirement presumably? Are peer reviewers expected to evaluate code "quality". Anyone thoughts on this would be extremely useful...and help guide a project like this into reality. - Cameron Neylon
So if the answer to 1) is no, does that mean that you can't necessarily expect referees to actually run the code? Or compile it? Or just that you pick referees appropriately? Or conversely that "refereeing" becomes a process of building up enough positive comments or karma points in the repository...? It seems to me that you want to bring the best of versioning systems and best practice... more... - Cameron Neylon
@Cameron & Neil: If it could be figured out how to to handle the virtualization (or having remote access to machines), I think that'd be a highly valuable addition to peer review. Easy for me to say (not knowing how to implement it), but I think it's a great goal to strive for. It doesn't seem too crazy to have the journal have a bunch of machines on hand so the authors can remotely upload / install code and referees could then remotely log in to look at and try out code. - Steve Koch
I can't figure out where to jump into this thread. Personally, I think we just need a place to publish locations, i.e. the code is here, data is there and this is the version we used, etc. That must be maintained and being able to maintain that should become part of the funding process. Since funding agencies are the ones who are funding this research they need to include the ability to... more... - Deepak Singh
My feeling is that being able to run the programs somewhere on a server without downloading them is important - but that is very much a user's perspective. I often look at useful things that are made available and just have no clue how to actually make them work. A good range of downloadable executables would probably do the job for me though. Additional question: what are the standards for web services? - Cameron Neylon
Which is why VM's and cloud services are such a big deal for demo's and provenance now. You can package up a VM with the exact stack that you want and make it available, either as a service or a VM you can launch yourself. It's too easy not to do it - Deepak Singh
@Deepak : Cloud + VM is an an interesting combination, but should have an accessible pricing that is affordable to a larger research community - Khader Shameer
I think there should be strict guidelines while reviewing bioinformatics software / database / servers to test the resource. I had a recent experience : a reviewer wrote extensive list of points to reject a server that we developed with out trying what exactly it is doing or to know how does it differs from other existing resources. I strongly support the hybrid journal model, also it... more... - Khader Shameer
Let's talk specifics. VM images are great, but you are tying your release to a particular release of a particular platform. A better approach is to start from a base OS (like a linus distro ISO) and have a set of build instructions for system set up and application building. My favorite of the moment would be Chef. - delagoya
Second, academics love to solve a problem with a novel algorithm and then move on. In fact it is in their best interest to move on after milking a project for all it's worth, publication wise. Maintenance, or even robust testing (couch... Tophat ... cough ... Bowtie .. cough ) is not even on the radar. Frankly I am not so sure it should be. Maintenance requirements may slow the pace of... more... - delagoya
@delagoya, good point. If I have made significant improvements, why update the old paper? better to try for a new paper! - Rajarshi Guha
delagoya, chef's fine too. Find a common medium/mechanism that works for the community. The resources are certainly there. It's a matter of trying things out. As someone I know says, start simple, and iterate - Deepak Singh
Khader, that's where the funding agencies come in. They need to provide mechanisms for sustainable funding here. - Deepak Singh
The nice thing about a hybrid journal is that it might be possible to have new dois/database entries for "significant" updates. Not perhaps just place holding papers as is the case sometimes in the NAR database issue but when something has changed significantly you can get a new paper without needing a new algorithm or service. I like the idea of funding to support "orphan" code and services as well. Make it worth money and people will do it. - Cameron Neylon
Delagoya - as a naive user I disagree. I really don't want to have to build, I want to use in the lowest stress way possible and a hosted VM seems like a good way to enable that - as well as allow for longer term preservation. We may not be able to run linux on future hardware but will probably be able to handle VMs for longer (actually having written that I'm not sure its true - would be interested in more expert perspectives) - Cameron Neylon
I almost missed this discussion. I really like the idea but I wonder how discovery type projects fit in. I mostly use code to look for trends. If anything I might make some predictor to enhance existing data. For these reasons most of what I do is one off scripts around perl and R. Maybe this sort of project does not belong in a bioinformatics journal at all. - Pedro Beltrao
Pedro, great question. Personally, if we included all glue code, small scripts, etc this would be unsustainable and defeat the purpose of peer review as well - Deepak Singh
@Pedro, I don't see a journal/software hybrid as replacing all bioinformatics journals. I think there's a place for journals that discuss pure algorithms and ideas. These would do exploratory type programming. Normal journals service these papers quite well. For me, a hybrid model targets specifically those papers that describe a program that is meant to be used by other people. In that... more... - Bosco Ho
Bosco, you're thinking along the lines of a communications journal aren't you. And then people can go to work on the code if it is on github or something - Deepak Singh
@Deepak. Yep. The disconnect I see is that pragmatically, it's the open-source project that counts. The article in the bioinformatics journal is so that we can get a place-holder to collect citations that contribute to our academic CV. The journal/software hybrid provides the most efficient way to this goal. - Bosco Ho
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