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Facebook iPhone update: 3.03 with bug fixes coming soon, and 3.1 with push notifications to follow.
Aaah, don't worry about 3.03, just get 3.1 out. :) - Travis Koger
Sorry for lack of communication here.
What would the web look like if each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2 week delay?
Like 1995 when I was trying to upload MBs of data over a 14.4kbps dial-up modem for a website. - John Wang
Like the Apple Store? :) - Ray Cromwell
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery - Charles Ying
You've obviously never worked for a large company. - Glen Campbell
You would be amazed how many large corporations still do this. - dthree
First off, it doesn't matter what the developer wants; decisions are made by the product manager and reviewed by the higher product review board and the VP of product. Then the UED team gets involved and the design has to be done, redone, pitched, explained, and revised. The change also needs to make it onto the next quarter's roadmap, where it can be evaluated in light of other... more... - Glen Campbell
I'm not ignoring the fact that corporations go through a lengthy process to ensure the quality of their products. Of course Facebook does this too, and so do I personally. The point is, we are the ones who are qualified to determine when the app is ready. Apple is just a middleman, and they have a very limited ability to test the quality of our app. - Joe Hewitt
A couple times Apple has caught bugs in our app and notified me of it, but they have also missed huge bugs that went through. The app on the store right now is orders of magnitude more buggy than the one sitting in the review queue. - Joe Hewitt
I can only assume the review process is there for Apple to test compliance with their terms of service, and any bugs they find along the way are incidental. Thank goodness the web doesn't have a terms of service and a review queue. - Joe Hewitt
With 40 apps per day per reviewer, I'm surprised the approval process works as well as it does. - PXLated
Has any other company ever been faced with as many apps in such a short period as Apple - Just curious - PXLated
If we developers always programmed everything to be perfect before releasing it, nothing would ever get released. ; ) - John Wang
it would look like an MMO they release half broken stuff every two weeks like clockwork - Robert Higgins
Your question mentioned nothing of Apple and the App Store. I was merely responding to the question asked. Specifically, if, each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2-week delay, it would represent a vast improvement in the speed of delivery of site changes and probably a corresponding decline in the quality. Apple imposes their... more... - Glen Campbell
Sorry, Glen, the context in almost all of my tweets relates to iPhone development :) - Joe Hewitt
Of course, Apple can do whatever they want, and I can go elsewhere. I am making suggestions on how they can improve their flea market and prevent people from going elsewhere. I believe the web has set the precedent that big platforms like the iPhone can thrive even without a centralized quality control bottleneck. - Joe Hewitt
But Joe, the iPhone isn't like the web as a whole - it's more like gaming platforms and probably more open then they are. Will be interesting to see what happens on Android and if in fact it is more open, and if so what kind of chaos may ensue. - PXLated
Are you serious - "prevent people from going elsewhere" - Where? And pass up the iPhone audience/marketplace? Even if Android is a success, developers won't leave iPhone in spite of all the bitching. - PXLated
The iPhone is not a "gaming platform" until they tell me I can't develop anything but a game for it. A significant chunk of iPhone apps, mine included, are basically iPhone-optimized websites written in Objective-C. I admit that I don't see anyone, myself including, abandoning Apple over this issue, but I do believe that the quality of apps on the platform is being hurt by it. Just because other platforms are even more restrictive, like Playstation or some mobile platforms, is not an excuse. - Joe Hewitt
It's not an excuse but none is needed, Apple developed a platform and set the rules just as the gaming platforms did/do. I'm personally not sure the (overall) quality is being hurt either. - PXLated
In fact, maybe Apple should be a lot more restrictive - 65K apps probably confuses the hell out of many users. Maybe they need a rating system and then start eliminating the poorly performing apps. Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K ;-) - PXLated
"Apple developed a platform and set the rules" - well there's a news flash. I don't think anyone needed to be informed of that. I think Joe's just trying to make the point that centralized control isn't necessary for the good apps to rise to the top. Would you consider the web to be a success if there were 65k sites (please don't get pedantic and point out that sites aren't apps; the argument holds for any reasonable multiplier)? - Joel Webber
"Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K" - And exactly from what larger pool would you take that best of breed? If the breed's too small, you can't *have* a best-of-breed. The web's an unholy mess, but its size and chaos are precisely what makes it successful. People still manage to find the good stuff. - Joel Webber
It would look like the website where I work.... - Don Schuetze
What would the web look like if a developer could be shut down for an alleged ToS violation? Like FaceBook? - Kevin Marks
That's a lot better than how web applications ship. Please allow a few months before we change it. - Burcu Dogan
Apple is famous to put limitations at the beginning and then drop them ( remember drm?) I am pretty confident that the approval process will be easier and quicker in the near future. - funkyboy from iPhone
You would have [insert any corporate review process here]. For significant changes, this is understandishable. However, it gets insidious when everything looks like a nail ... even if it isn't. - Joe D'Andrea
read it late though, but i would hate it, then maybe web might not be as popular, interesting and powerful - testbeta
Lovin the new iTunes Store design, but WTF, the toolbar atop iTunes is ugly as hell now! They had the gradients perfect in iTunes 8.
@boucher Yep, 2006
@Jason_Diaz It's a server-side issue, not an app issue, and it's being worked on. Your hidden stories will go away soon.
Just had my first Xcode crash on Snow Leopard after only a few hours. Damn, I'm still waiting for them to get this thing stable.
Web OS? Web VM? Value in both? - http://ajaxian.com/archive...
@missys I changed it to make it look like Notifications on the website, but I agree with you, and I'm going to bring that back in 3.1.
I'm gonna be hearing about this black bar thing a lot :( Luckily it will fix itself, or you can re-install to fix it.
@jefflipack What do you mean by "not 100%" ?
@MichaelFortney That will fix itself if you don't use the app for one hour.
Oh no. If you get a black bar on your home screen, it will go away if you don't use the app for one hour (old settings cached).
@rgwebb Oh crap. try logging out and in again.
Facebook for iPhone 3.02 update was just approved, with lots of bug fixes and VoiceOver accessibility.
As always, it make take a few hours for the update to be visible to all on the App Store.
I don't usually say "for the win", but.... Xcode 3.2 static analyzer FTW!!!!!!!
@chrismessina Hope you don't mind waiting 4 hours or longer. I'm doing it on my MB Pro now via DVD and it's taking like 20 minutes.
Perhaps it's better installing from an external HD or USB stick - Iñaki Rodriguez
New Quicktime player - awesome. Quicktime browser plugin - still a piece of garbage, still has Panther-era design.
I'm just going to go ahead and proclaim that my Air, which was previously slow as hell, now has teh snappy with SL. Ask me again tomorrow.
Wish the iPhone SDK installer had told me I needed to install Xcode 3.2 first.
Downloading iPhone SDK for Snow Leopard, and it's half the usual size! I'm sure not going to miss Universal Binaries :)
Powered down the Air, turned it back on, and voila I have Snow Leopard. Guess the installer hung for no good reason.
Hours later, Macbook Air STILL restarting after Snow Leopard installation. I'm putting my foot down.
Buf, a long time since you started, isn it? - Iñaki Rodriguez
@rebelalfons If it takes too long, the OS things something is wrong and terminates it. Removing files can be very slow unfortunately.
@mikeerickson Yes, thank you, it is being worked on. It's a server issue and won't require an update.
@hXcpat Macbook Air has no ethernet port and I don't have usb adapter.
And just like that, install finished. Now it's restarting, which is also taking forever. I am just going to leave the house and come back.
I'm installing via Remote Disc over WiFi, so I'm just going to let it sit there if I have to wait 24 hours. Next time I'm using a USB image
Snow Leopard install has been stuck on "About 11 minutes" for over an hour. Should I worry?
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