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@loic: Twitter is broken and we all know it. But we muddle along anyway. Bring us better tools so we can view groups we care about.
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And of course first you'd have to turn Friendfeed into an app that could actually function as a direct replacement for Twitter.
- Ken Sheppardson
The "feature" that FF is missing that twitter has is reduced feature set and limits in the face of performance issues.
- Andy Bakun
FriendFeed should buy Twitter and move all Twitter users to FriendFeed. FF is far better than Twitter
- Waldemar Schott
Twitter is probably worth alot more than FF at this point, especially with the recent explosion in users.
- Matyjas
Maybe Twitter should buy FF, throw their site away and put FF on twitter.com
- Waldemar Schott
Is twitter broken ? No - it is saturated because it was overhyped. When people stop looking for the next big thing and realize that all of these tools that come along are just another nice thing to have in our toolbox the hype will die down. Until then people are going to keep racing to see who has the most followers.
- Patrick Allmond
Patrick: Twitter is broken in many ways. The community there no longer has integrity. Why does Veronica have 115,000 followers, most of whom are spam, while her boyfriend, RyanBlock has 13,000 followers (Ryan used to run Engadget and should have way more followers than Veronica should). I'll tell you why: the system is corrupted and broken. And we won't even go near the fail whale problem.
- Robert Scoble
Maciej: well, are we counting all the fake users in the explosion, or real ones? I'm not sure anymore. I can demonstrate that new accounts lately are heavily fake. Twitter's executives seem not to care about this issue.
- Robert Scoble
I don't think Twitter is broken, but I do think it is reaching the end of its life. I wrote about it more sensibly: http://blog.jamesmarshall.org.uk/2009...
- James Marshall
I think "broken" is a strong word...changing yes.
- John Flynn
John: Twitter is broken, it's just that you haven't seen the damage. I've shown it off on other threads if you care.
- Robert Scoble
James : you joined Twitter in Nov08, have done almost nothing on it (like follow lots of cool people) and yet somehow you seem to think you know a lot about twitter. strange.
- Alensa
Alensa: +100
- Robert Scoble
+1, Alensa! (oh, Robert beat me, and by two orders of magnitude. Too slow on the draw! *grin*)
- Ken Kennedy
Robert, Social media is "broken". Not only twitter... And until the web sees and understands efforts of people like Chris Saad, Ashley Angell, Messina, Tantek... (and very humbly mines) it will remain broken. I mean it's not a "technological" issue, it's a design one.
- directeur
directeur: innovators get rewarded often in other non-credit ways. But I agree with you. By the way, the fact that you know all those people demonstrates that they are getting SOME credit. I follow all of them and share anything remarkable that they do, by the way.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: some social media is more broken than others. Twitter takes the easy coding route out of problems and it costs us all. That's why you see the fail whale so often (more than 10,000 times more often than I see it here on friendfeed) and why they have corrupted their communities through poorly-thought-out features. @ev does this, though. He spends "just enough" to make a service highly profitable. Did that with Blogger too. I can't blame him for taking the low road. It pays off.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree, they're getting "some" credits and they deserve it A LOT. Maybe, you and me, know them because of our common and particular interest in these subjects... But, trust me, most people don't know yet what "attention" or "microformats" are, thus those efforts remain invisible to the masses. And since startups success is first about getting the "average user's" satisfaction, people who manage these startups don't really care about innovation and innovators :(
- directeur
Robert, I agree also about the "low road", and that's what I'm saying in my precedent comment too. I've worked with a highly successful marketer and one thing he thougt me is: Don't try to be smart, just sell!
- directeur
directeur: I think smart does sell eventually. Word gets around that one system has integrity, another is corrupted. It does matter in the long run. In the short run, though, Twitter will make lots of profit, just like Blogger did. Blogger never worked well for me. Always was slow, both before Google bought it and after. And always had lots of spam. Sounds a lot like Twitter, doesn't it?
- Robert Scoble
The only thing I would add to Robert and directeur's conversation (which I agree with in whole) is that "groups" is a flawed concept. It relies on you adding people to your social graph... then grouping them out into contexts. I would argue that the context (subject, topic, event) comes FIRST - conversation comes second and adding the person to your social graph comes last. The challenge with Twitter (and to a lesser degree FF) is that the social graph is the only way to discover content (and people)...
- Brian Roy
Robert, you just nailed it! Smart sell "eventually" and in the long run. Let's hope that FriendFeed -which still lacks some more smartness like: Attention Profiling- will be to twitter what Wordpress is to Blogger :)
- directeur
Brian: friendfeed is a friend discovery system. Here, try it out. If you "like" a friend's item that I've never seen before all of a sudden that item and your friend is put into my view. But I agree with where you're going. We need even better systems. Search is one way, but we still need more ways to find the really great content out there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, one word and I know people hate me because I'm repeating it a lot: APML :) Seriously, we've discussed this a lot, you and me, and I know that you do care. Brian is right. This is what FriendFeed lacks. Sharing, rating, finding people AND content with "interests" (Personal interests) is the way to go. I've tried with Feedego (remember, you tweeted it) NoiseRiver, and now SocialWhois. But ironically one NEEDS "popularity" to get "attention" on ATTENTION :)
- directeur
No, we don't need to complexify Twitter. Just make alts and have some of them with a very small group to reduce clutter and others to surf the noise.
- Prokofy Neva
directeur: you should put URLs to all of your projects. I just never took to your stuff for some reason. But, yes, you're right. Attention breeds attention. :-)
- Robert Scoble
directeur - Enable popular contexts (like I'm trying to do with Peter Himmelman's Furious World http://furiousworld.com). People interested in the context will aggregate there, discover one another, and the power of the social graph actually gets utilized to add more interested people to the context. Sorry (but not really) for the shameless plug.
- Brian Roy
Robert - I agree - FF has better discovery tools than Twitter. But is certainly doesn't make context based discovery easy. This isn't about search... it is about participating in real time conversations about topics you are interested in.
- Brian Roy
Brian, I totally agree on both suggestions! Kuddos to your efforts on the furiousworld project too! I'm getting some nice and kind noise about it and wish you a great success with it! Please let me know if I can help in any way! I'm a bit overwhelmed lately but i'll very gladly work with you on these subjects :)
- directeur
Brian: give me an example of what you want to do. I have lost the context and need to understand more about what you're thinking of.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - There are two live examples today - One at http://ushealthcrisis.com and one a http://furiousworld.com - These are destinations about specific topics. Tools to "tune" Social Media (Twitter/FF) so that on that site you get JUST stuff about that topic (signal) and can engage in conversation with other interested people. The magic is it is still public... so my social graph sees that I'm talking about - for example HIPPA, and can come join the conversation...
- Brian Roy
I get to discover new interesting people talking about subjects I find interesting... the site owner gets more traffic by leveraging my social graph... we all get rich conversation centered on specific topics (contexts).
- Brian Roy
In order for Twitter to be broken do you have to believe that, at some point, Twitter worked perfectly?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
We're conditioned to use software that is broken. The thing is, Twitter works well enough for the people who use it.
- Victor Ganata
Mark: it worked better before February 6, yes. And at least I could trust the follower numbers as lame and petty as they might have been. But your point is a good one. Twitter has always been busted and yet we still use it.
- Robert Scoble
So, here's my prediction: As happens so frequently in web apps, there will be (is) a competitor that will be the successful one, and Twitter will be looked at as another IM service.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Twitter runs my life.
- © b e e n s w a n k
I think the fact that twitter is "broken" inherently leads to more innovation as groups and individuals find their own ways to use the pure raw potential that's there.
- Amie Gillingham
The beauty of FF is that every person can create his own view of the content and people. Like Robert said, some people see FF as a friend discovery system but for me it's primarily a content agregator. Everybody can choose how they create and consume content. I don't follow too many people but on the other hand I love the friend-of-friend concept. Follow, unfollow, share, comment, like...
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- Tapio Kulmala
In the spirit of Mark's prediction - The SM aggregator/network that does the best job engaging the developer community to extend/add value to the offering will "win". None of them are doing a great job today (FF is best... Twitter is becoming openly hostile to DEVs, Facebook is only interested in getting content INTO FB).
- Brian Roy
It's ridiculous to think of SM as a zero-sum game. I bet there are a quite a few of us who use FB, Twitter, and FF all on a daily basis. I doubt any of us who do want any of them to disappear. You use the right tool for the right task, and for the right audience.
- Victor Ganata
Buzz Marketing Daily: 25 Innovative Ways Companies are Using Twitter (That You May NOT Have Heard of Yet) - http://www.buzzmarketingdaily.com/2009...
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Without further ado, here are 25 companies that are using Twitter in innovative, different, and fun ways:
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