 |
|
| FriendFeed is the easiest way to share online. Learn more » |
Johan Horak › Likes
here's hoping we're not all filtered out of existence. I'm sure I'll sleep better knowing someone is watching over me in Twitterland.
Lars Clausen, Johan Horak, Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic and 2 other people liked this
I really began to feel mistrustful and insecure on Twitter when they banned me for no reason last week. I feel like everything I do is "suspect." Especially, since while I was banned, they put a page in place of my profile that said I had been banned for "suspicious behavior" and to "move along, there's nothing to see here." At the bottom of the page it said something like, "If you must...
more...
- Kimber Scott
Their arrogance and high-handed treatment of people is out of control, in my opinion. There was no excuse for treating anyone that way. Just wrote a blog post about what an abuse of power I think it was.
- Karoli
It was surprisingly humiliating, to say the least. I had been trying very hard to build a reputation and I felt like they were going to ruin it in one fell swoop. I just don't trust them like I used to.
- Kimber Scott
from email
that's the deeper issue here -- the entire link 'economy' on twitter is built around trust. You follow folks you trust; folks who trust you follow you. The viral nature of sharing on Twitter rests on a foundation of trust. What Twitter did to you was strip you of your trust value. Hmmmm. I think I need to write another blog post tomorrow around that.
- Karoli
I never thought about a trust value, but that's exactly what they did take from me.
- Kimber Scott
from email
I just read your blog post. I got filtered, too. I'm finally out of filter jail. I didn't look to see if all my post have been restored. I post about art, artists, art news and I got filtered out, like I was some kind of "Let me teach you how to make money on the Internet person." That ticked me off, too. I wrote them a letter - after spending forever trying to find just where to send...
more...
- Kimber Scott
smart to use Friendfeed. I've been thinking about this, and getting hotter about it by the second. The common thread to the 'filters' among my friends is the #iranelection tag. We all know Iran was trying very hard to discredit legit sites passing info. What if Google blocked those sites for political, not malware reasons? Twitter is using the Google malware flag as reason to 'filter' accounts.
- Karoli
Yes, you just never know. I guess the old adage about not putting all your eggs in one basket applies in this case, as well.
- Kimber Scott
from email
I didn't know I was filtered until yesterday afternoon because I didn't know to search for from:name. I really don't know what I did to get filtered, either. While I do post a lot on autism issues, I also post on vaccine issues (high vaccine uptake = social justice issue) education, special education, dyslexia, ADHD, and just general stuff. It's all gone.
- Liz
Just looked at from:lizditz -- 41 tweets missing, nothing after 16 hrs ago
- Liz
Post, Kimber added you as a friend on Goodreads. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Kimber. To confirm this friend request, follow the below link: http://www.goodreads.com/friend... &utm_medium=email&utm_source=invite - Kimber (kimberscott.art@gmail.com)
- پـرستووو
from email
Passed my milling exam on saturday. Check out my rig. (The wind dropped off and we found a mouse had been to visit, so no milling but it is interesting opening up the stones vat). ...So, if anyone has an old mill that needs running, I'm your guy :)
 |
Johan Horak liked this
Crop circle from sunday..interesting that it didn't affect the crop next door
Johan Horak liked this
you're joking right ??? with all these posts ???
- Anita
No, it is serious, that is a barley crop and they make beer from barley. The circles appear overnight - quite regularly. If it is some people doing it at night, they have made hundreds, even thousands without claiming credit (of course there are some copycats who have done some). Anyway, I like the patterns and as an architect know how difficult it is to accurately set out even a...
more...
- Paul J
Incidentally, I am also a fan of pyramids, especially the amazing geometry of the Giza complex. I recently found out there are thousands around the planet, including up to 400 in China. How many people know that?
- Paul J
Thanks for sharing this great info Paul. I am amazed by my own ignorance sometimes. It's great to know that there is more to this illusion we call life.
- Johan Horak
ok, so it would be really interesting to actually meet you and listen to you ? I have many questions; less interested in the crop circles than in the pyramids. The crop circles just look like someone had fun with a graphics programme.
- Anita
@S2PhoebeS2 Simon's Town was beautiful while the sun was rising, it's a mirror now and the whales are getting active
Johan Horak liked this
and it is even more beautiful today .... so lovely
- Anita
New Blog Post: PubSubHubbub: Real-Time Feeds and Real-Time Feedback Too? http://www.louisgray.com/live...
Derek Collison, AJ Kohn, Benjamin Golub and 14 other people liked this
Was wondering why mine wasn't working in reader also, good to know thanks.
- Colby
Anything tricky needed to enable pubsubhubbub for my wordpress blog. Can we add the link provided on the pubsubhubbub page to our ping list?
- Mark Essel
from iPhone
The best way is to use this WordPress plug-in: http://wordpress.org/extend...
- Brett Slatkin
Brett, thanks much. will do now.
- Mark Essel
@zachishi Update posterous and Facebook only. FF scoops up the feed and is set up to push it into Twitter. That avoids most dupes.
Bryan Lee, Johan Horak, Don Campbell and 3 other people liked this
Steve, you should interact more directly on Friendfeed. Most of your stream is Backtype comments and tweets replies: they're very difficult to follow and to discuss about.
- Jérôme Flipo
Jerome, I think I am going to remove the Backtype entries. I concur.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Much cleaner, thanks!
- Jérôme Flipo
what about having different FF rooms associated with different twitter accounts? It would be nice if FF setup all the twitter accounts you have and you select which ones to post @. Like a drop down. I am also confused how to set this up with posterous as I have published all over the show.
- Johan Horak
I would like to see Friendfeed add an optional feature that strips all replies out from your Twitter feed.
Peter, Johan Horak, Meryn Stol and 15 other people liked this
A workaround (far from perfect) is to use Yahoo pipes to have some edit of the twitter rss and strip away all the tweets with @yourname in it .. you can find my example here .. I'm using it to have an rss of twitter stream on my blog without all the reply .. not perfect, but in some way it works http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes...
- Orporick
Even better would be to combine replies to a conversation, but I guess that would be difficult. I also like the above comment.
- TobiasVerhoog.com
It has been a busy time for crop circles, with over 40 in the past 3 months and even more over the last few days. Is this art or a message (or both) or a fantastic hoax? Read more at http://psychedelicadventure.bl...
|
Johan Horak liked this
Interesting baboon fight on friendfeed. This is why online tools are really liberating. ~@johanhorak
Johan Horak liked this
We should extend the debate to include those stinking noisy penguins on 'our' beach at boulders, shedding feathers everywhere and relieving themselves in the parking lot! And the whales, have you seen what they can do to a yacht? We should get them out of 'our' bay. And the hadedas and porcupines digging in my garden - they have to go too! (hey I'm kidding)
- Paul J
Can you believe it. The people painting penguins on bus stops and people covering it up at night with white paint. Can you believe this small village ;-)) ???? (hey I'm also just kidding)
- Johan Horak
How to create a good display ad campaign: http://om.ly/?rbJ
Johan Horak, ASKJDOG and James Hunter liked this
These incredible images of waves were taken by the number one photographer of surf: Clark Little
|
Johan Horak liked this
@Discovery - Why villify sharks with video headings "Sharks hunt like serial killers"...sensational reporting...reinforces Jaws mentality!
Johan Horak liked this
Twitter Arbitrarily “Filters” Search: Big Brother is Here - http://www.drumsnwhistles.com/2009...
Laura Norvig, Mark Essel, ravi karandeekar and 18 other people liked this
Or you could just use another service, one that is interested in making things easy to use and empowering users.
- Andy Bakun
Kurt, you have come to the right place.
- Louis Gray
Sure, it's stupid, but it's not "Big Brother." Sheesh!
- Anthony Citrano
from BuddyFeed
the people will vote with their feet. In the meantime we can duplicate our twitter feeds on friendfeed until all our friends are on friendfeed.
- Johan Horak
The two examples given in the article were people who were attempting to spread political information, rather than personal?
- Marg Uerite
Marg, what difference does that make? If political information is tabu on Twitter, then Barack Obama and the official White House feed, along with all the networks and everyone else should be banned, too.
- Karoli
Anthony: It absolutely is Big Brother. They have access to everything posted, then make judgements about what others should see or not see based on what search 'filters' they impose. All of this without disclosure and without recourse. Posts are gone from search forever. GONE. Yes, that's Big Brother at his very finest.
- Karoli
Twitter should be opensource
- Genaro Bardy
Aren't we being too quick to jump into conclusions here..? I mean think about it, based on Twitter's track record, this is more likely a bug or some other technical glitch. j/k, totally big brother.
- Aviv
Aviv, did you look at Delbius' timeline? Clearly states over and over again that it is NOT a glitch. It is intentional.
- Karoli
@Karoli: if you define this as "absolutely Big Brother", I would encourage you to read 1984 again. It's more like Little Brother (*very* little.) Sorry, but the metaphor is hyperbolic and silly in my eyes.
- Anthony Citrano
@karoli Karoli, "Barak Obama and official White House feed" = Propaganda = doesn't count as "political speech."
- Marg Uerite
Old Media Still Powerful: Blogs Follow News Outlets 2.5 Hours Later - http://www.fastcompany.com/blog...
 |
Johan Horak liked this
RT @dianedevilliers: Made a blog for Brian and his new gallery in Simon's Town. Very Brian. http://bstfriends.wordpress.com/ Good luck Nice Blog
Johan Horak liked this
I like your blogpost so much, I'm pasting it here.....In today’s disposable world of random-access interfacing, sheer expediency is challenging the true meaning of human communication. The time-honoured art of writing and painting as a means of expression have become swamped by instant text messages and SMS code-speak. Moreover, the world of art is more and more flooded with ephemeral...
more...
- Paul J
Scoble owns your feed. Here's why:
gabriel redhead, Ben Hanten, Thomas Hawk and 23 other people liked this
CC of my comment at http://friendfeed.com/friendf... -- What I think is even more troubling, and I hope I'm not repeating something that has been said already, is that power users such as Scoble have way too much power on FF due to the way Block is implemented. Since Scoble is such a popular figure around here and lengthy conversations tend to develop around entries that he posts (either thanks to the quality of content or just sheer volume of eye balls exposed to his feed), users that Scoble views as idiots can be denied access to any ongoing discussions that originate at items posted by him if he chooses to block them (could be them being complete trolls, or maybe, just maybe, he didn't like some random comment they made once). Even worse - they may even be completely unaware of them!
- Aviv
Needless to say, I'm just using Scoble as an example and I'm sure he knows better than that, but such an abuse can easily go undetected for a long time). I've raised this issue when the blocking feature was first implemented and iterated last year, and I'm pretty sure it still behaves this way.
- Aviv
hehe.. always wanted my very own Here's Why / Discuss here thread.
- Aviv
I don't really understand what you mean here. EDIT: don't understand how this is a problem.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, pretty simple - if Scoble blocks you - you have no access to any of the many discussions that develop around items in his feed. I'm not even talking about his own blog posts that are aggregated - it's pretty much anything that he shares, be it a blog post by Louis Gray, a picture Thomas Hawk took, whatever. It's like him saying Rahsheen can't access most of the Best Of Day items because I don't like seeing him topless all the time :)
- Aviv
Ah. This only works if Scoble is a major contributor to your feed. While I value him as an individual, the crowd he rolls with pretty much make his threads useless for me. I'm not opening a thread of 100's of comments where 90% of them are "Hell yeah, Scoble, you rock" or "Once again, Scoble, you're wrong". I come across these items you speak of because I follow the individuals that created them. LG is more of an information filter for me than Robert is.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, I understand that, but both your use case and Scoble's account are examples of what I think is one of the major flaws of FF - not because I don't think users should be allowed to block others, but because it just so happens that FF evolved in such as a way that users tend to congregate at popular feeds and not surprisingly the discussions stay there. Surely Scoble has the...
more...
- Aviv
Yes. It's his feed. If he doesn't want you to see it, that's his prerogative. Also, I believe in quality over quantity and I've just not seen much of the former in those threads, which is why I stopped opening them. TC gets a lot of comments because it's popular, but that doesn't mean the comments are worth reading.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And yes, the title is total FF bait in the hopes that this entry will not get buried as fast as it normally would by cute cats and movie selections :) Since Scoble is the most popular power user I'm just using him as an example. He's done nothing to suggest that he would block users for the purpose of preventing access to discussions on FF. But this is a discussion worth having as we all continue to pad our subscriber list and this issue can turn into a complete mess.
- Aviv
You make some interesting points. The above scenario which I had not previously thought of in relation to the proposed control changes could lead to "Trolls" or whatever you call them, used here for illustrative purposes, making additional screen names as a workaround happens all the time on other forums.
- Eric Logan
Rahsheen, in the very least, I think FF should allow blocked users read-only access to conversations that develop under entries that may appear on the Blocking User's feed, but were not originated by him (ie. a blog post by Louis Gray that the blocking user starred on Google Reader and by way of chance -- and some probability -- has an active conversation going under that thread, with...
more...
- Aviv
Then what would be the point of blocking?
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, think about it for a minute - does Scoble have the right to tell Disqus not to allow comments from Rahsheen on Louis Gray's blog? Forget that - not to even let Rahsheen access the conversations on Louis Gray's blog!
- Aviv
Who is this LG guy? Do I have him blocked?
- Louis Gray
from iPhone
Aviv: consider my situation. I blocked Scoble ages ago. FriendFeed instantly became more useful for me. However when something genuinely interesting happens on Scoble's feed it gets mentioned somewhere else and I fire up another browser and skim through the discussion. It might be useful for me to be able to temporarily un-block a particular thread but the idea that anyone has 'power'...
more...
- Adewale Oshineye
Aviv, you're takin this to a whole different level, though. Robert doesn't have that kind of power over Louis Gray's actual blog. Take it a step back. Scoble's feed is just that. It's unfortunate if, for some reason, he blocked you and you can't interact with it, but that's not preventing you from interacting with the stuff he posts. Go to the source.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, I didn't say he has power over the actual blog - but in a way he does over the comment thread, that as we all know can happen anywhere these days. He doesn't own the thread just because he bookmarked a link to it on delicious.
- Aviv
Yes. Yes he does. It's his own link in his own feed. He doesn't own the item that link points to, but if conversation develops around that item within his feed. It's his conversation. Why? Because it may have never developed had he not posted it within his feed.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, but since FF is increasingly becoming the vehicle that powers such interaction - a popular user who doesn't like you personally is compromising and limiting your own FF account. This can have business implications as well. Imagine Scoble having a dispute with a tech blogger - Scoble can block him from ever participating or even being aware of tech discussions involving hundreds of thousands of users here.
- Aviv
First of all, I think Rahsheen put it well. I generally steer clear of Scoble's threads *not* because I don't like him or his content (on the contrary) but because I don't find the klingons around him to be particularly interesting/illuminating people. But that's beside the point; Aviv, I must say I see yours as a bit of a whiny and circular argument. Scoble owns *your* feed because if he blocks you you can't participate in *his* feed? I don't get that.
- Anthony Citrano
Blocking users and calling them Trolls does not help the community grow. The only thing it does is benefit the Power User to retain his/hers power. Once the Power User labels someone as Troll, others jump on the band wagon! So everyone tends to agree with the Power User to stay licked by the community. This Herd Mentality does not foster communication but Zombie followers. I see the Block mechanism mostly as a Bullying tool.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Hmm I'd have to disagree, R. Scoble has no impact on my threads, I'm not linked to him, don't know if he's linked to me. No biggie either way, I have "friended" people by choice and those that have friended me can see my stuff. Those are the only people I care about. PS I am a bigger Alex Scoble fan anyway. :)
- Steve C
It just goes back to how important you think R. Scoble is. Like I said, I don't find the discussions that build around his items useful. Those hundreds of thousands of users that comment on his threads are mostly not people I choose to interact with in general. To put it in perspective, I'd put A. Scoble just slightly more important than R. Scoble in my view of FF and that's coming from someone that writes about tech stuff on a regular basis.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Anthony, first, he hasn't blocked me or anything like that. And this is has nothing to do with Scoble personally, just the power status that could potentially enable him to prevent you from other people's opinions and insights. The other thread made me want to once again start a debate over something that is very disconcerting to me as a long-time FF user.
- Aviv
Guys, remember that Scoble is just an example to what could potentially become a problem down the road. With all the recent mob talk and Arrington making a comeback - I think it's much sooner than people realize. Steve, heck, I'm not even subscribed to him, yet my home feed as well as the best of day stuff is dominated by items he touches. Actually, not by him - but by conversations...
more...
- Aviv
Steve, I also couldn't care less for some of the stuff that Scoble or anyone else for that matter shares, but because he does share so much and he has accumulated a significant following, there are occasionally conversations around topics that I care for, or relating to a FF user that I follow, or an Obama YouTube clip (that him and a hundred other FF Favorited on YT at the same time,...
more...
- Aviv
@Aviv - I still don't get how his (or others') "status" presents any obstacles for others. However, I agree with you that FF's "recommended user" feature is lame/unintelligent to the point of being useless.
- Anthony Citrano
Even if you're blocked, you can still see the thread if you logout, assuming it's that important to you. I just can't envision a situation where this matters much. A user with a buttload of followers blocked me, now I can't engage in conversations on that specific user's items, but I can still read the discussion thread one way or the other. I can also still engage directly with those commenters or using the commenting system provided by the source of that item(assuming it's not an internal post).
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Okay Anthony, another example. It's long, but I think you'll understand where I'm coming from after reading it. Say I open FF tomorrow and decide that your feed is littered with too much truth about the economy and it's easier not to be exposed to that, plus your real-estate-is-in-shambles entries depress me and remind me of the declining value of my home which was supposed to always...
more...
- Aviv
Rahsheen, so you're suggesting that we all become so paranoid that we should first assume that we are even worthy of a power user's block, then act on that fear by maintaining a secret account for the sole purpose of checking it every few hours or on demand whenever we feel left out, just to see if we missed out on a 200-comment discussion because someone on FF doesn't like them...
more...
- Aviv
You don't need an account to see someone's stuff if they blocked you. Just go in to incognito mode on Chrome and load up their friendfeed page. As long as they aren't private, you can see their stuff. Blocking is a means to prevent assholes from commenting on your stuff. It doesn't prevent them from seeing your stuff. For that you need to set your feed to private.
- Alex Scoble
LOL Alex. After all this, you reply to that "issue" :) Read my latest reply to Anthony, what's your take on it?
- Aviv
If you don't want to be blocked by someone, don't act like an asshole. It's that simple.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, I agree. But my original scenario also touched on instances where a power user may decide to block you for the sole purpose of compromising your access to data on FF. Think competing tech blogs, there are plenty of use cases for such a potential abuse. Then don't forget that there are many users who use the block feature as a way to filter out the noise. They don't even mean harm, but can cause someone to be barred from access to conversations without even realizing it.
- Aviv
What Alex said is the ticket.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Aviv: I understand and appreciate your example. But I guess I'd say that I wouldn't really care. A long time ago I accepted the reality that the world is full of interesting conversations I cannot participate in - whether for logistical, technical, or social reasons. To your question about whether I should be let in, that decision rests with the person hosting that conversation (in your example, you.)
- Anthony Citrano
I just might block all of youse internet weasels. lol ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Scoble doesn't own your feed. You can become popular on FriendFeed without interacting with Robert Scoble if you wish there are thousands of other comments without Robert involved in english or in other languages - if you don't believe me use the search tool. Although if you get blocked by Robert then you have deserved it - same applies to other users on FriendFeed - I've blocked users...
more...
- Nicholas James
In the example that you give, you are using block incorrectly. :) It should be used to prevent assholes from commenting on your feeds, not from you not seeing stuff that bothers you, that's what hide is for.
- Alex Scoble
Heh, and not everyone that's been blocked by Robert deserved it. :)
- Alex Scoble
And I'm sorry, but Robert doesn't own my feed. Most of my interactions here are with people who don't really follow Robert and only know him because they are on friendfeed. This place is pretty democratic and rewards those who participate.
- Alex Scoble
I see Alex is still working for Scoble and PR managing the "Scoble Brand!" LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Igor: Robert is his own PR guy he said himself and he'll probably participate in this feed when he looks at his ego feed (something which everyone should set up)
- Nicholas James
"ego feed" 2 inches? LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Nicholas, I think you're missing the point a bit. No one is talking about being able to become popular around here, or even specifically about Scoble's feed. The concern is over whether or not the fact that an item appeared in your feed -- for argument sake let's concentrate on those items that are often added implicitly to your account: think bookmarked links on delicious, a comment...
more...
- Aviv
Igor: An ego feed looks like this (heres yours): http://friendfeed.com/search... ;)
- Nicholas James
Nicholas thanks. ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
But Alex, again let's say I blocked you, you'd never see comments left by Chris on any items I share with the community. Now let's say Chris starts a blog. He likes you. Obviously he wants you to visit his blog and he appreciates your input (okay, for the most part ;) FF is slow to pick up the blog post from Chris' RSS feed, and I happened to bookmark it almost immediately after it was...
more...
- Aviv
Oh, and of course, as Rahsheen suggested, you can fire up another browser and constantly refresh it to see if my decision to block you is barring you from accessing plenty of data shared by your own friends, some of which have private feeds and approved you as a subscriber.
- Aviv
And that, as they say, is life. I don't have any control over that, so I don't worry about it. But nothing really stops me from seeing those posts.
- Alex Scoble
Okay, so Rahsheen and Alex are so FF-savvy that they can figure out every few minutes what's missing from their stream because some jerk decided to block them and he is in total control of a discussion he's not even part of that's alive and kickin with many of their own friends leaving comments and making contributions to FF, which, by the way, they do without even realizing Alex may not be seeing them because this jerk blocked him at some point. I'm sure mainstream users will jump on Rahsheen's idea :)
- Aviv
Aviv: In order to gain traction on friendfeed ala become popular you need to post content that generates interest (probably first or first where you alot people can see that) Robert has a mixture of both but mainly it involves the latter by becoming involved in so many conversations they just look to his feed and if you want to have the same authority as a power user on FriendFeed you...
more...
- Nicholas James
I'd say i'm more zen than savvy. I haven't seen any evidence that I'm missing anything when someone blocks me, so it has never bothered me.
- Alex Scoble
I don't like blogs.
- Cristo
Alex, that's not life - that's an unintended consequence of the early FF design, which IMHO will be a major obstacle as FF looks over to becoming the hub of real-time conversations. Sure there are ways around it, and sure it looks like nobody even cares if Scoble's stuff are invisible to them. I think it's simply because they fail to understand how significant is the role of the power users they're subscribed to over the stream they see with each refresh
- Aviv
Chris, then I just wasted $8 on a really great name for it..
- Aviv
Aviv: a power user can change at any time though. For instance if Robert stop posting content that interested people ;)
- Nicholas James
Nicholas, who's talking about the need to become popular? Also, while you may only block trolls who totally deserved to be blocked, I'm asking the question of what happens when someone decides to (ab)use this feature to mess with someone else, for personal reasons, or worse - business reasons. For example, would you say it's unlikely that a popular sports blog owner may figure out that...
more...
- Aviv
For the record it would pain me much more if someone like Anthony Citrano blocked me than it would if Robert did because the content that Anthony posts is way more interesting to me. And if Anthony blocked me, I would know it very quickly as I have a list specific to him and I would just as quickly route around the block so I could continue reading his stuff. And yes, it is life...it is...
more...
- Alex Scoble
You are putting too much emphasis on the 1) The so-called power of the individual to generate conversation and 2) The fact that anyone is going to care that conversation is happening on FF about stuff they might care about and they might be missing it. I'm sure people discuss my content without me all the time. Do I stay awake at night worrying about it? Nope. Just like I don't stay...
more...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
And also, as I said, this space is very democratic. friendfeed needs to do all that it can to not allow "big voices" to monopolize the space. I think most of the mechanisms to allow this are already here.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, what if Anthony could block you from reading posts on Google Finance groups that you currently frequent? But if you open Safari, clear all cookies, and hide behind a proxy could still *read* those group threads? Is that good enough? But wait a minute, what about actually *posting* something? You may be savvy enough to still access Anthony's FF threads, but what if Chris misquotes something you said a few days ago? You have no way of responding. Anthony has effectively compromised your FF account.
- Aviv
Aviv: I understand your concerns for external factors but thats life and if two sports blogs collude they've got more chance of growing the market and their businesses you can read my points about that here: http://www.profitbaron.com/2009... also I don't understand your concerns regarding a people who post the content shouldn't own it - where do...
more...
- Nicholas James
There's nothing on friendfeed that gives anyone that level of control. That's what Anthony would call a straw man.
- Alex Scoble
LOL wtf do you guys mean with all those that's life comments. Your wife calls you telling you the kitchen sick is broken you tell her that's life anyway she's a bad cook?
- Aviv
Like Alex said, Aviv. There is no user with that type of power on FF. Scoble can't prevent me from reading LG's blog and Anthony can't block Alex from reading posts on google Finance. Those arguments just don't work.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Aviv: You should read http://friendfeed.com/itafrom... ;)
- Nicholas James
Well, the wife says the sink is broken, but the reality is that she's just turning the handle the wrong way.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Nicholas, and you should read http://friendfeed.com/aviv... :)
- Aviv
Rahsheen, your wife hasn't changed in 20 years, you really think she'll start now?
- Aviv
Aviv: You simply linked to this post ;) I'll reiterate my point that you haven't really proven your point except pointed out something which everyone knows that there are external factors outside your control - the same happens in other scenarios. Thats why businesses do SWOT and PESTLE analysis to try and work out the potential problems internally and externally (ala whats in their control and whats not) and try to control them at best they can ;)
- Nicholas James
Rahsheen, do you like having access to comments left on Louis Gray's site? Now although you usually just skim through them, sometimes you have something to say, right? Someone may have even mentioned your own product in a comment over there, and if you don't respond, users might think you're avoiding the issue, no? Now imagine a competitor having the ability to completely shut you off...
more...
- Aviv
It's LG's blog. I don't have the right to comment there if HE chooses to stop me. It's a privilege that he grants me. This is under his control. I would need to post my response elsewhere.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, so let's ignore for a minute the fact that you're asking users to use secondary FF accounts to spy on, well, themselves. Even with your hack, you would still only gain read-only access to a thread that's invisible to you due to some random block you may not even be aware of. Now what if it happens to be a thread full of complaints about your product? Customers who you are...
more...
- Aviv
And with that last post I think I rest my case. :) It's pretty clear to understand. Don't get too hung up on the Scoble example. Think big picture. This is a flaw that will inevitably surface, I predict much sooner than later after seeing the recent troll talks, Mike's comeback, and increasing mainstream adoption momentum.
- Aviv
Troll talk? Where?
- Cristo
Rahsheen, that is correct. Louis does indeed have the right to refuse to let you in. But does Scoble? Does some other random person who may have a conversation happening at his feed?
- Aviv
No, with that last post you are still not making a point. Big picture is that a brand actually catching every defamatory comment left about them across every place on the net is slim to none even with the most advanced tools. I'm not sure what blog readers in their right mind expect that kind of direct interaction. Services that DO provide that level of engagement stand out (Disqus,...
more...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, but the likelihood that a brand that made FF their home base has the majority of their customers/supported on FF is higher and therefore of greater importance for the brand to follow and engage. The ease in which a competitor can trick FF and render a portion of it inaccessible to someone else is troubling. That is all I'm saying. I think you will realize it as time goes by and we get a more diverse crowd around here.
- Aviv
There are 2 parties involved in whether I get to engage with someone's content or not. Me and the content creator. You keep introducing a 3rd party to the equation, which makes no sense. I'm going to assume you are using the Chewbaca defense, which is impossible to argue against. Therefore, you win. I yield. I have no idea why Chewbaca lives on a planet full of Ewoks and it DOESN'T make sense.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Rahsheen, just because message boards are dated and flawed doesn't mean FF should be as well. I'm surprised to hear you say all this.
- Aviv
Well, anyway, I think I spent a little too much time on this topic this evening. I'll be back in a couple hours and will probably have to repeat everything I said before :)
- Aviv
I'm going to delete all my comments, and then maybe type them back in later if I feel like it. :)
- Cristo
And that's fine, Rahsheen, I'm not trying to convince you that FF has evolved in such a way that the block feature, as useful as it may have been when first introduced, could potentially be the source of a looming backlash. I like FF, I don't want to see that happening, so I thought I'd bring this issue up again.
- Aviv
Chris, don't you dare mess with my feed. After all, you are all in agreement that I am the sole owner of this conversation. I do know a good lawyer, so please.. :)
- Aviv
I don't feel like Robert Scoble owns my feed. I don't follow him, and I don't generally participate in his threads. But I don't feel like I'm missing anything by not following, and I still manage to have a satisfying Friendfeed experience. You don't need to interact with all the top users to get value out of the service.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Rahsheen, you win at least ten internets for your last comment. All arguments can be won by the Chewbacca defense!
- Mark Trapp
The Chewbacca defense. lol, I learn something new here everyday even on the weekends.
- Eric Logan
Rahsheen, and talk about impossible to argue! You're basically saying sure thing, I know it's flawed, but since I don't like Scoble's feed anyway I'm going to say that this isn't an issue worth considering. And I'm also not quite sure how you brought a 3rd party into all this. If you don't care at all that other users have a simple tool at their disposal that can significantly change...
more...
- Aviv
Now imagine a user suggest Rackspace to someone. Some other users jump in and totally bash Rackspace - how bad it's technical support is and how their servers are always down. Meanwhile their server config is out of whack and it has nothing to do with Rackspace. Now everybody knows Scoble lives on FF. Why doesn't he respond in that thread? Is Rackspace ignoring its customers?! OMG -...
more...
- Aviv
Okay, I know, you can't possibly follow everything bla bla bla and there are many forums out there that Rackspace doesn't have access to either. But FF is not a 10-year-old vBulletin install. if FF wants to convince businesses to use it for brand management and customer engagement - some things have to change and core concepts re-thought.
- Aviv
Aviv: what's preventing Scoble from using the publicly indexed version of FriendFeed? If he signs out, and searches for Rackspace, he'll see the content that you're talking about. I'd argue that only an incompetent brand manager would not be using multiple vectors to find conversations, especially given the number of ways a tracking mechanism can fail completely innocuously. BackType,...
more...
- Mark Trapp
Mark++. Exactly.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I've skimmed this thread and this is not new. In many ways it's a fundamental problem with web based forums. They are open to every one in the same way that Usenet is. But with Usenet you will be using a client based application that enables you to 'Block' certain individuals, call them trolls if you like, and never ever see their posts or comments. This only applies to you and has no...
more...
- Gilbert Harding
This is GREAT News. Scoble can be our cop and blog the assholes keeping things cleaner here. The question of course, is do you trust him? (I do)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally I don't block anyone. i think the best friendfeed experience is an uncensored one.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I guess that is why you do not get into fights with anyone! LOL Too busy taking pictures, to block! ;-)
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Thomas, agree about that. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
And I worry about being verbose :-) Aviv, I'm watching your "thesis" or "pet theory" ... it has all the markings of becoming a "doomsday prediction", or something requiring a tin foil hat :-) Your hypothetical situations are far too detailed, ready for the Alex Jones treatment with terrifying music!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
The narcissist test - http://bitsandpieces.us/2009...
Briget, tristan, Murray Barton and 5 other people liked this
Spending some time with my daughter this morning. Will catch up with work later. She is so grateful for my time
Johan Horak liked this
How to Write an Attention-Grabbing Professional Bio - http://www.sitepoint.com/blogs...
 |
Johan Horak liked this
Does what it says on the box: "How to Write an Attention-Grabbing Professional Bio"
- Bronson Harrington
Twit Robot : Collection of Twitter Tools - RSS to twitter marketing using twitter Bulk Follow mass follow autofollow followback and bulk unfollow tool. Post RSS to twitter. Sheduled Posting of custom messages to twitter. Future tweets and later twee - http://twitrobot.com/twitter...
 |
Johan Horak liked this
This twitter marketing/automation tool has some really cool features embedded - fliped tweets, rss integration, scheduled tweets and loads of other nifty tools.
- Bronson Harrington
watching my daughter have some fun :)
Johan Horak liked this
Its amazing how fast your children grow
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
from email
Another interesting old photo. That is the Southern Right Hotel on the left and the bathing boxes of Glencairn Beach . There is a structure behind on the terrace where LeRuaRua is now doing it's thing. It may be the modified remains of the ship's bridge from the Clan Stewart which used to be there.
Johan Horak liked this
Click on the image to make it bigger!
- Paul J
Firstly, love the new emails detailing subscriptions. Just a suggestion, adding a list of groups that the user is most active in.
Kol Tregaskes, Stylish Eve, Ahsan Ali aka. Slick and 6 other people liked this
Good suggestion.
- τorƍue
And their favorite sports team.
- Louis Gray
Shoe size?
- Johnny Worthington
Zodiac sign.
- Louis Gray
A/S/L?
- Johnny Worthington
from IM
Add the average posts per day; I find that very useful
- Michael W. May
Shouldn't they have asked before implementing this ;) (im being facetious...)
- Frankie Warren
Other ways to read this feed:
