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Jason Toney posted a link
The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan (November 05, 2008) - Prop 8 Exit Polls
November 5 at 7:44 am - via Bookmarklet - Link
"They show a narrow victory for marriage equality: 52 to 48. Every ethnic group supported marriage equality, except African-Americans, who voted overwhelmingly against extending to gay people the civil rights once denied them: a staggering 69 - 31 percent African-American margin against marriage equality. That's worse than even I expected. Whites, on the other hand, clearly rejected discrimination: 55 to 45 percent. Latinos were evenly split. But what matters, of course, is the margin of all the votes. It's still an exit poll, and those polls sometimes under-estimate anti-gay sentiment. So no assurance. But some provisional hope. If marriage endures in California, this debate is over - in America and the world. Oh, and there was no gender gap. And a massive generation gap: the under-30s voted for marriage equality by 67 to 31 percent. The over 65s voted for discrimination by 57 - 43 percent." - Jason Toney via Bookmarklet
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I'm so disappointed. I'm so disappointed that on a day when the promise of America -- our right to vote, our right to be anything we dream and work hard to be -- was realized that we chose to increase discrimination and deny the civil rights of other citizens, many of whom share our skin color, our struggle, our journey. Boo. - Jason Toney
This is sad but I feel like it will happen eventually. We've got work to do. - AJ Kohn
@Jason Toney: I can't remember who it was, but I once read a quote by someone who said (and I paraphrase): "No one has a problem with homosexuals until they have to imagine what they do in the bed room." I'd add that I'd have a problem with what a lot of people do in their bed rooms. - Barry Wynn
This makes my heart so heavy. I'm having a hard time processing the elation and the heavy heartedness at the same time. Unfortunately the heavy heartedness is starting to win. I mean damn, just damn. - Michelle Jones
I have faith that we will get to where we need to be. Black churches and the Mormon church and their laser focus on this issue is troublesome but can be overcome. We have seen what the power of the people can be when motivated with a well run and focused political machine. - Jason Toney
FriendFeed
Lucretia Pruitt posted a link
Twitter Support email confirms that there's a "cap" on the number of people you can follow now. Screen cap of email.
July 25 at 11:14 pm - Link
That's going to mess with Scoble's idea that it is more important who you are following, than who follows you. - Douglas E. Welch via twhirl
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It messes with *my* idea of that too!! I think it was Francine who told @scobleizer at the HMB meetup about this and he didn't believe they would do it - thought it was a rumor. I wish he had been right. It's moronic!! - Lucretia Pruitt
I feel Twitter is handling this all wrong...there was no warning...no rules...and there seems to be different caps for different people...i feel like a whiny 5 year old...but....it's not fair! lol... - Laura
That's my problem with it too, Laura - they seem to have 'raised' my cap, but I know that there were others with same issue... like @creativesage - and it shouldn't be a stealth thing. Why should some users get to follow 10k and some not? b/c they already did? unsound logic :( - Lucretia Pruitt
serves 'yall right. you started picking on me and my feeds and now you r stuck with a fascist service. don't say I didn't warn 'yall. have fun. I like it here so much better. I still see twitter coming in as virtual feeds even if you block my ass. Purple Car and eMOM... you lose! - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
Noah - don't start your war w/ other people over here on my FF - I respect your space - please show me the same consideration. :) Yes, I know you hate Twitter - but that has nothing to do with attacking folks on my FF you!! And it's my birthday today, so you have to play nice over here :) - Lucretia Pruitt
I agree with Noah on Twitter abuse of users and Fascism! And that some Tweeps had heavy handiness in having him banned by the developers! But Noah leave these people alone! Their actions speak for themselves! - Igor The Troll
happy belated birthday - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
Amazing. If anything they should put a cap on followers, not people you are following. This is a sad way to deal with the scale problems. On the other hand I haven't followed anyone on Twitter lately. - Robert Scoble
Lucretia: I was wondering who you were talking to but then I realized I blocked Noah a while back. - Robert Scoble
oink... Buenos Dias! pig f#(% http://friendfeed.com/e/739abe... - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
Here's the link in the screenshot: http://getsatisfaction.com/twi... - Vincent X
* Maximum number of follow attempts in a day. Which means you can still follow your 10,000 users but just not all in one day. - Andrew Trinh
Even Robert's idea has issues. Say the cap is x number of followers and I want to follow you but I'm x+1. I have no way of following you if I wanted to unless someone else drops out. That's Facebook-ish in its limit of 5,000 friends. - Johnny Worthington
"* 1,000 total updates per day, on any and all devices" Updates by me or that I receive? - Johnny Worthington
the answer to these questions in the end is not so much an engineering question as a cultural one. We can understand a lot about social networks by studying a nations highway systems. (more....) - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
when Robert Moses was building roads it became apparent that there were traffic problems. The initial solution. ---> building better and more roads did not solve the problem. the more roads... the more cars (more....) - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
the only legitimate answer to the problem is to not limit driving, but to create alternative modes of travel. if twitter is hoarding technology like they did, then alternative networks without the traffic problems will not grow. it is a monopoly problem... (more....) - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
The Matrix runs on human batteries baby! - Mark Forman
when I say twitter is fascist. I MEAN IT! listen to me finally. - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
Noah - I respect that your opinion differs - but please do me the courtesy of not attacking someone I consider a friend on my FF stream. That's the one thing that could cause me to block you. Not because I don't think you have a right to hold or share your opinion, but b/c I don't want you doing it at my party - if you must, please do it at yours. Now - what were you saying about cultural v. engineering? - Lucretia Pruitt
Twitter is facist... Loooooooooong stretch my friend. The reason other networks do not grow is that the mass public have choosen to come (and stay) with twitter. And the fact that other services exist dispells the fascist tag as Twitter are to busy fixing themselves to exercise their power. And who would want the technology twitter is hording... it's broken. - Johnny Worthington
Robert - I agree that there must be a better solution - but to cap people at different levels seems to me to be the bigger issue. I mean, if they want to say "if you want more than X followers or following, you must have a Pro account" then I'm game - but to limit some to lower numbers than others seems like a really bad move. :( - Lucretia Pruitt
Lucretia: I agree. It is a tough problem. Capping per day seems ok, though. - Robert Scoble
twitter is talking about engineering because it is a red herring. why can't I reply here in friendfeed to anything else but twitter? why does my facebook update only respond to twitter? why why why? because the technology standard is being hoarded. they are going around playing like "Lucy from Peanuts" http://friendfeed.com/e/e17297... trying to make everyone shorter, and the reality is they attract people who are good at controlling crowds. sorry Lucretia u know who I'm talking about... but they are guilty of playing Grammar school teacher under a fascist regime. - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
the technology is broken... but twitter controls the API game - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
The limit makes who you are following even more important, so I'd say it reinforces Scoble's idea. Now the way this is communicated is appalling, but the idea of a limit by itself is not necessarily bad. - Antoine Bertier
I don't want flowers before you sodomize me! inform the people about socialized castration? This network is guilty of enough PR. they blame any square peg they can, but in the end they are the ones who are limiting innovation. just go along with the crowd and don't complain. Lemmings. Free the damn API so we can keep our balls. let me feed on the network I want, using the interface given! - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
I have been struggling in utter frustration after being capped abruptly, with no warning. I cannot follow anyone else, after meeting many new people in the past two weeks who have added me. It is actually causing me to LOSE followers because people know that I can't follow them back. I follow more people than follow me, which I thought was a GOOD thing, and now I'm being penalized for it. This is incredibly stupid on Twitter's part, because I have corporate clients on Twitter and was about to sign up more.. - Cathryn Hrudicka
Twiitter=Fail - Fred Grott
(cont.) How can I keep recommending clients sign up for Twitter when they might get capped abruptly at any moment, with no warning? This, on top of the crashes—and yet, Twitter claims to want more corporate clients. So stupid and short-sighted on their part. I have now spent a week in this frustrating mode, where no one responded to my tweets, multiple emails or inquiries about how long my quota would last... - Cathryn Hrudicka
(cont.) Finally, today, I got an email from Crystal at Twitter, reiterating the quota limits, and saying something like, gee, I guess this hasn't worked well for you. She said she would TRY to talk someone into getting rid of my quota, so I still don't know how long this will last or when I will be released from quota prison. This has completely destroyed my enjoyment of Twitter and has wasted tons of my time. I'm very, very angry and sad about it. - Cathryn Hrudicka
(cont.) I no longer enjoy being on Twitter. It has driven me to spend more time on my other socnets. After specifcially tweeting @Ev @Biz @Jack several times, and not having any of them respond to me (they have on other occasions), I may have no choice but to continue being very noisy about this predicament, and blogging negatively about Twitter. My situation is shared by @Mark Davidson and @williamsba, who posted on his blog re Twitter quotas:: http://tinyurl.com/5m7wmz We're all very frustrated by it. - Cathryn Hrudicka
(cont.) The only thing I can possibly "like" about this is that Lucretia brought it up here—thank you, Lucretia. I have gotten many msgs. of support on Twitter from my friends who have seen my tweets and had no idea these quotas existed or were being doled out arbitrarily to people who are following less than 2500-3000 people. Why are only some of us being singled out for these quotas when clearly we're not spammers & are "good Twitter citizens"? :-( - Cathryn Hrudicka
you stood and watched them libel me and now you have reaped what you have sown. now you all suffer the limitations burdened on you arbitrarily. now you all have been silenced. twitter has failed in biblical proportions and the diaspora has just begun. I might change my name to Jeremiah. none of you headed my warning. Babylon has conquered you. - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
“Then said they, Come and let us devise devices against Jeremiah; for the law shall not perish from the priest, nor counsel from the wise, nor the word from the prophet. Come, and let us smite him with the tongue, and let us not give heed to any of his words.” - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
I am a good twitter citizen Cathryn and now you understand that @Panopticons was putting into question the idea of proportion within a given interface. The incredible catastrophe of philosophical paradox was sealed when they decided to punish me because they didn't like my thoughts. most of the people stood by and decided to be "Liberal" on their concept of communications abuse and were discriminating between structural and contextual concepts. I did not create the twitter interface. - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
I used the same interface you did when I decided to build my profiles. there were at the time no limitations outlined by twitter terms in conflict with what I was doing. The rules became arbitrary. In the same respect your suffering accounts used the same interface and the rules of twitter changed Cathryn. You were caught in the same pit of discretion that I was caught in. They are already using a proportional argument to limit you because you are not as big as an Alister. Slippery slopes indeed! - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
gosh people just LEAVE Twitter........ problem solved. - ChaCha Fance
not that simple. I integrate my networks. the way the APIs work on most places, without twitter I can't be part of the conversation. for here example twitter doubles each comment in a twitter post. the other services don't do this. they have a lock on facebook upates for the most part as well... and it is the only way I know of to bring myspace into the rest of the web. whatever the have needs to be in the hands of others or it is an unfair monopoly. - ⓃⓄⒶⒽ ⒹⒶⓋⒾⒹ ⓈⒾⓂⓄⓃ
So after my angst outburst last p.m., I got this cryptic email from Twitter today: "Thanks for requesting to be on Twitter's API whitelist. We've approved your request! You should find any rate limits no longer apply to authenticated requests made by CreativeSage. This change should take effect within the next 24 hours. Thanks much, and good luck with your application!" So now we have to "apply" to NOT have quotas? I guess my repeated tweets & msgs. count as an "application." - Cathryn Hrudicka
ChaCha Fance, It's not quite so simple when you have clients and project collaborators or co-workers on Twitter, and you've spent over a year building up a community there. I did consider yanking my acct. & completely leaving Twitter, but had to think about all of this. Instead, I think we're seeing people switching more of their conversation time to other socnets, like FriendFeed.:-) - Cathryn Hrudicka
Cathryn - that email response sounds like something that a developer would get. Did you send a formal request to be added to the API whitelist or did that email arrive out of the blue? - Mike Doeff
It arrived out of the blue, seemingly very separate from my email from Crystal, who just sent me another email saying they "haven't forgotten me" and are trying to work out a solution. Still no definite indication when. - Cathryn Hrudicka
That API whitelist that they referred to in the email has been used for several months to allow approved applications (e.g. Twitturly) to bypass the API limits. They might be using the same whitelist to help you with your problem. That would explain why they wished you good luck with your application. Maybe you got some kind of form letter that usually goes to developers. - Mike Doeff
I was a bit puzzled why they said "my application" because I didn't receive any kind of form letter or application. I'll try to email Crystal again and see what can be done. I'd like to get them to do it within the 24 hrs. they mentioned. I guess a work-around would be to start another Twitter acct., but then that's another one to manage. We'll see. Thanks for this info, it's helpful.:-) - Cathryn Hrudicka
Flickr
MG Siegler favorited a photo on Flickr
Wow what a picture.
Wow what a picture.
July 24 at 4:11 pm - Link
I'm not necessarily a person that would ever be in that crowd, but that does mean this isn't a cool picture. - Zach Underwood
Too bad nobody in that crowd took a picture of Obama, the moment might be lost forever. http://www.flickr.com/photos/s... - Philipp Lenssen
to be part of a crowd makes you feel secure. no matter how frightening dumb you are. hitler and goebbles knew that very well, but it will be valid forever and it has been valid for every lifeform since the beginning. what i want to say is: just make sure to have a good understanding as an individual what your leader shapes you into. (btw: connected individuals=BORC > leader/sheep) - Chris Hofmann
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Rooms Feedback: Mark Trapp posted a link
Please don't use tabs for my rooms.
Please don't use tabs for my rooms.
May 22 at 4:49 pm - via Bookmarklet - Link
Can you imagine this with 2x more rooms? 10x more rooms? Yikes. - Mark Trapp
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Scrolling tabs maybe? (scroll from side to side on mouse movement) - Brandon Titus
Yeah, this is turning into a UI nightmare. Needs updating in the next revision. - Bwana
agreed. - Thomas Hawk
Tabs are nicely implemented for the general site, but don't scale well. Definitely the wrong UI choice for Rooms - Jamie
Google Reader
Charlie Anzman shared an item on Google Reader
PicLens for Firefox. Awesome. Period.
June 27 at 7:01 am - Link
You gotta try it! - Charlie Anzman
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for some reason I've avoided this.... I can't explain why - Stefan Hayden
@Stefan -- no time better than now to try it out - Brian Sloane
I totally love this thing - it's so crazy - Sarah Perez
yep, awesome, crashed FF first time round but OK after, if only they gave you some more controls, like most viewed on Youtube. - Toby Graham
Twitter
MG Siegler posted a message on Twitter
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Tech Bloggers: Faizar posted a link
Top 6 Tips for Choosing a Blog Name
June 15 at 1:47 am - via Reshare - Link
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Thomas Hawk posted a message
“The "me" tab on friendfeed should not only show content you've originated in your feed, it should also include any content that you've commented on as well.”
June 12 at 12:08 pm - Link
I was just thinking that today. It would be very useful. - Yolanda ♥s Nuttycakes
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That would be nice - Joel Gray
I don't know, I kind of like having the comments area separately linked on the "me" page like it is. - Bwana
Nah I like that the me tab is just my stuff. It's not hard to then click on discussion to see what I've liked/commented on. - Mack D. Male
You get this by clicking on "comments" on the right panel. One Click-Away. - Guillaume Lemoine
That would be useful.... - Mike Wills
I agree with Bwana -- I like it the way it is. I can easily see any comments/likes for things I have shared and am only one click away from being able to revisit things I have liked and commented on. - Robert Seidman
I'm jumping on the "ok as it is" bandwagon here. I like the separation of content I created vs my comments/likes. - Tad, Fool via fftogo
I tend to agree that the extra click is worth it to keep things separated. perhaps user choice? - Frankie Warren
I think that as well, it would make sense! - Joe Dawson (beta)
I agree, but would also like a little toggle for my content, my content and likes/comments. - AJ Kohn
Definitely. That way you keep track of the conversation - Simon Bisson
that is what i thought it did? was surprised it didn't, change that please Ff - Globecode
the thing is that clicking on "comments" is not intuitive. In fact, I'd never even thought to do that (as crazy as that sounds) and I'm a pretty heavy user. If FF is going to appeal to the mainstream it will need to be much more intuitive than it is today. Better to include commented items in the me tab and then give advanced users a way to filter out just their own stuff vs. how it is now. - Thomas Hawk
Hmmm... I think it should be easier to track "conversations" in general. For example, if I wanted to follow the comments on this message for a day or so, maybe there could be a 'track' or 'follow' button, which would then add a new tab to the friend feed page just for it. Or perhaps there could be a tab for "Conversations I'm Following". Sometimes I'm looking for new info in my FF, but sometimes I'm looking to follow discussions I'm participating in. - Brian
There's more than one way to skin a cat -- how about you click on the "Me" tab" and get sub navigation defaulting on "things I've shared" tab and also have "my comments" and "my likes" as sub-tabs? (in the actual navigation instead of a small link off to the right) - Robert Seidman
thats pretty obvious - kosmar
I'm not sure that the Friendfeed UI is intended for the "mainstream" user. Is Gmail for the "mainstream" user? I probably wouldn't recommend either service to my parents. - Jason Wehmhoener
I agree with original ask by Thomas. - Jigar Mehta
Agreed, that was my assumption already. Didn't know until a few days ago that "me" didn't include my comments. Would be a nice way to track conversations -- I don't want to be rude and miss a conversation that warrants a follow-up comment. We could just visit "comments", but then again "me" should be self-explanatory. - Mike Reynolds
What I am thinking is, if I promote 'me' page with my network (who has not yet joined friendfeed!), they dont get to see other stories where I have commented! If they could, they can even jump in and start participating.. FFers should seriously think about this.. - Jigar Mehta
Even Me page doesnt show the content which is originated by me but in some room! Dont you think my submission in some room should also appear on my me page? - Jigar Mehta
Here here... - Chris Reed
um... isn't that what adding "/discussion" is for? (i.e. http://friendfeed.com/thomasha...) - TranceMist
Ahhh, the "See Both" link on the right. I had no idea, thanks TranceMist! - Joel Gray
Woo.. I dint know about this.. So, /discussion would list content I originated + all posts where I commented + all posts which I liked + all my posts in particular rooms ?? - Jigar Mehta
separation of content and comment a goodly thing - Ashton
I agree that the comments and the content should be seperated. Could FF put a "recent comments" widget somewhere?? - Roberto Bonini
Yeah Thomas, I saw those COmments and Likes links but missed the Discussion link there! I think Discussion link is fine except it doesnt list my discussions in 'rooms'.. - Jigar Mehta via bTT
This is currently my number one annoyance with friendfeed. - Zach Landes via twhirl
Sending favorite threads to their own tabs would be useful, sort of like stickies on a forum. Likes and Comments do help though (now that I've read the thread) - sergiooo
Blog
Leon Ho posted an entry on Stepcase Lifehack
How Bloggers Can Use FriendFeed Effectively
June 11 at 5:30 am - Link
Good article. The idea of pruning your FriendFeed to give it a higher signal to noise ratio by pruning your feeds that end up here sounds good, but since FF aggregates all your online media creation, I think another approach to this is to do the pruning before that noise gets out on the Internet to begin with. I think this is a skill people learn over time. Most people's first tweets are just noise. "Is this thing on?" "I'm eating eggs!" and the like. Over time, users learn how to be more relevant in their Twitter feed. I see the same progression in some people's status messages on Facebook, the types of photos they upload as public on Flickr, etc. One thing I like about Flickr's photo upload is the ability to segment photos to be hidden from everyone but family, or friends. This lets me make what might be noise to the general public out of the public's way, but let's that same content, which might be useful signal to my family, still visible. I'm not sure how that gets filter through Friend Feed. - John F Morton
Rooms are great, as Friendfeed gathered a big group of members, who are willing to respond to topics in rooms of their interests. - Jansen Lu
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Leo Laporte posted a message on Twitter
Blog
mashable posted an entry on Mashable!
And, The Really Big Thing About The New iPhone Is…
June 11 at 2:55 am - Link
great post, couldn't agree more about seamless usability being the real advance between current/past LBS approaches. - Benton
At last somebody realized how much GPS is important for iPhone and write about it. - ahmet bulent
FriendFeed
Loic Le Meur posted a message
“Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.”
Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
June 10 at 11:36 am - via twhirl - Link
I love this version. And Seesmic in Twhirl is so addictive - Loic Le Meur
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nice improvements Loic!! bring it on!! - Susan Beebe
can't wait - gimme more ;o) - Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe via twhirl
very interesting. The friendfeed integration looks way better than before. Will have to give this a look when it is released. - Rob Diana
Seesmic ROCKS!! - Larry via twhirl
okay, so FF and Twitter are in the latest? but not Seemic correct? - Lou Paglia
This might get me back into Twhirl. - Akiva Moskovitz
and it has FF rooms support! - Loic Le Meur
The question is when ? - Gilles Meiers via twhirl
wow, looks great. remind me http://twitku.com/ for a second there... - Orli Yakuel
looks very cool. exactly what we need. but what about plurk ;) - Phil Coyne via twhirl
needs pownce and jaiku support too. Then it will be the total solution - Adrian via twhirl
yes... when? - Mike Wills
@LouPaglia - correct, Seesmic is not integrated with Twirl desktop app yet - Susan Beebe
in a few days I think for the new FF integration. Seesmic comes next. - Loic Le Meur via twhirl
looks like it might replace alert thingy as my RIA of choice - Steve Lynch via Alert Thingy
Super! When!??! - Florin Grozea via twhirl
Great ! Thanks - Gilles Meiers via twhirl
integrate into one window, is all i ask, make it indisputably the best - Ruben Llibre
none of them working in linux TOO BAD! - Yassin Alvandi
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr? - Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password. - Daniel E. Renfer via twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in - Tris Hussey via twhirl
so is seesmic cool now? - Soulhuntre via twhirl
How do we score the test ver? :) - Soulhuntre via twhirl
dude, this is great! - Denis Eggert via twhirl
You tease. Where do I download it? - Rafe Needleman
Cannot wait, big Guy! - ledretch
I want... When? - highcenter via twhirl
Can't wait!! - Danish Khan via twhirl
I like Twhirl, but not for friendfeed. - rambn
actually it will be pushed in an hour or two - Loic Le Meur via twhirl
Can't wait! - Tris Hussey via twhirl
Nice teasing. Do you have any release date or will you take the "it's done when it's done" side? - Romain Péchard via twhirl
I would love some "best practices" guide for how to get the most out of all that information that will be flooding in. - Brendan Cosgrove via twhirl
How do I add my Seesmic account into Twhirl 082? It's not showing up in the "accounts" list. - Rafe Needleman via twhirl
We should have a Twhirl + Seesmic preview in the very next days - Loic Le Meur via twhirl
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