Ugh, that sucks. :( Keep your chin up, Leo. :) Watching the stream on BitGravity at the moment. Wish your show was aired here in Buffalo.
- Mol, Santa Claws
You'll pull through it. What do you use the Comcast for? I know you have multiple different internet connections at the TWiT Cottage.
- David van Sunder
David, Leo has backup DSL and Ethernet over the Last Mile besides his comcast... and a T1 --- twit will not be affected... although it has put a cramp on him for his radio show
- Chris Heath
Charter was down for me yesterday. Tag, you're it!
- Amber Hewitt
Comcast Petaluma should call The Tech Guy .... uhhh, wait ...
- HansVanRock
(1) install All In One Sidebar extension; (2) right-click navigation toolbar to add a new bookmark; (3) add the URL http://friendfeed.com/realtim... and check "open in sidebar"; (4) that's it.
- Neil Saunders
Nice, but I'm with Lars, that smacks of productivity killing ;)
- Daniel Swan
I did the same thing back in October when real time came out so I could compare the two versions of FriendFeed - "standard" mode and "real time" mode. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Susan Beebe
Can you do this with Chrome as well?
- Aaron Strout
This is great advice on getting a Friendfeed realtime feed in a sidebar. I've just tried installing the All In One sidebar on Flock 2.5, resulting in an error. On Firefox 3.0.11, it works great! I guess it makes sense to run Twitter in my Flock people sidebar, and Friendfeed realtime in my Firefox All In One sidebar.
- David Ing
@jcunwired: I played with a Pre. It's nice. iPhone will kick it's ass. Frankly, so will the new BB's which is what Palm seems to be targeting.
- Adam C.
When did you place your 3G S order? I put mine in to Apple on June 10th, and it's not showing as shipped yet; trying to judge how fast they're processing...
- Paul Skudlarek
Mine was scheduled to arrive on Wednesday. Checked again this morning and it changed to Thursday.. Let's see if it changes again to Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
iPhone will undoubtedly kick its ass, at some point in the future. The delta is too small between Pre and 3G S to warrant an ass-whooping.
- jcunwired
Lucky you, we can't preorder in Canada :(
- Ray Slakinski
Uh, not sure displaying your tracking number is a good idea. That's about all it takes when requesting a package redirection - and that's pretty tempting!
- Anil Rhemtulla
Mine says it will arrive on the 17th, which is tomorrow. I don't know how, since it hasn't left china yet
- Nate T
I'm scheduled for delivery on the 18th... order placed June 8th. God... sounds like a baby... Cheers
- Ross W. Prout
Ordered mine on the 8th and no shipping notice yet. :-\ As for iPhone vs Pre, it'll take awhile to fully see how the apps change the Pre since that's the iPhone's key right now for me.
- Ken Chan
When can we stop calling these phones?
- David J Lowe
I'm taking a chance and heading to the Birmingham Apple Store Friday morning to get mine. Hope they have enough.
- Dom Barnes
Gonna pick up my pre-ordered one at the "T-Punkt" T-Mobile store here in Germany on Friday. Picked the same You did, unless You chose the white one, that is. Personally I especially can't wait for the tomtom car navigation set with exta speaker and GPS enhancer to finally come out - it's gonna be so awesome!
- weckman
I got that message too! Woo hooo!! sooo excited, where's that UPS brown truck baby?!! party at the front door!!
- Susan Beebe
P.S.: Don't You love world-wide rollouts? So much more fun when we all get it the same day!
- weckman
Ordered mine same time on the 9th, but no ship yet. Is this another famous Leo Laporte "free and early access to garner a good review"? Screw you Leo! :)
- Richard Goodwin
Very interested on your reports about the speed increase and if it makes a difference. I may get one in December when my contract is up for this old Moto Q.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
That's awesome Leo. My 3G will have to suffice though. Still looking forward to 3.0
- Joel Crawley
Anyone know how leo dealt w/ the AT&T contract/costs??? Just curious. I know he can afford to spend the extra for the phone, so that's not the question.
- mark dekruyter
See if it still has that date Leo. Mine disappeared.
- Wo
My delivery date has just disappeared! It's beginning to look like UPS may hold the delivery until Friday.
- Rick Huizinga
Wow, no 3G S for me only OS 3.0 update..waiting for the download
- Gerard Marbeck
I'm really not understanding the i-phone thing. Frankly, I think the phone sucks. I hate the keyboard touch, I can't imagine a woman in this country with a decent manicure wanting to deal with that crappy screen! I have service at home with Verizon in the countryside where we live, my husband's crappy I-Phone drops out about ten miles from the house and not only that, the piece of crap is constantly dropping phone calls. Is the bay area better?
- Jennifer Ragde
I love toys as well, I'm just not getting the I-phone thing, I have a DS, PSP, I'm a seriously geek game girl, just not getting that horrible phone. I can't be the only girl that thinks that touch screen is completely awful! The touch screen is so sensitive, if you have fingernails, good luck!
- Jennifer Ragde
Heck Leo the iphone guys designed it to do that. I read it would be seemless. I wonder about any apple infringement? I'm sure they thought it through
- Rock
anyone know when the pre comes to australia?
- Bill Thomas
Sounds like the Pre has an identity crisis. ☺
- Jim Lecter
Now Leo I still maintain you recommended the Storm and I hope you don't do this to me again. Please. Don't get mad I just hang on your recommendations and just maybe I heard wrong.
- Rock
Awesome... Wonder if Apple will have anything to say about this.
- Jeff Matchett
Well it's supposed to. The USB identifier is the same as an iPod.
- Dave Zawislak
Does the handset feel cheap? Every review I've seen so far said that the sliding mechanism felt loose.
- Ryan Whitwam
rock: didnt leo strongly dislike the storm.
- Anton Tanderup
I'm headed to the sprint store now and demanding one today. I know they have it in stock now. If I succeed I will let you know
- Rock
That's probably a bad move on Palm's part. They should've done what other 3rd party players did get an ID instead of trying to pretend to be an iPod. I bet Apple could take legal action on this issue and win.
- Mack McCoy
I bet this will last until the next system update from Apple :)
- Bryan Lyle
Crazy - wonder if Apple is going to drop the hammer on this soon? Can Palm be sued under the DMCA for this?
- Mike
Not at all Ryan. It feels great. Palm has hit a home run. I think there are some software flaws - it could be a tad more responsive - but those are easily fixed. I'm buying one tomorrow.
- Leo Laporte
Leo you have Paul Thurott on now... Get on line show us.
- Rock
Nicholas. Disagree. How could this not be intellectual theft? All the Palm did was hire a hundred fifty Apple people. Rubenstein must've taken some magic Apple dust with him, too. I hope the lawyers don't give Palmista's too many nightmares.
- Phil Boiarski
Looks like photos, unprotected music, and podcasts sync. Not Audible books.
- Leo Laporte
I don't think an iTunes update is going to bork this. If iTunes is recognising iPods based on USB IDs, and the Pre is pushing an iPod USB ID for it's mass storage device, then iTunes updates won't be able to do anything about it without breaking compatibility with iPods that use this USB ID. Taking Palm to court, on the other hand, might do the same thing from a different direction.
- Andy Bold
There's a PalmPre Unboxing on the schedule for 9pm (Pacific) tonight.
- Matthew
Leo: Do you think the Palm Pre is going to be good competition against the iPhone?
- Jason Hansen
With only 8GB's of storage, who cares if it syncs with iTunes. Not like I'd be using it as an iPod.
- Jeff Self
Just thing of all the money apple can make from Palm Pre sales
- Brian Cowie
I was able to get my hands on a Pre for an hour yesterday. As an iphone owner since day 1 I'm very impressed. It has all the glitz and glamour of the iphone with the 2.0 software. ( plus cut, copy and paste and the ability to run multiple apps. Oh yeah and a dedicated keyboard too. All the features worked really well, especially synergy. The calendar app on the Pre makes the iphones implementation look like a really bad try.
- Micheal Weihrouch
that's pretty funny Leo! It looks like a great device. Can't wait too hear what you think about it.
- Kevin M Lindow
Yea it is suppose to be able sync (for now) I think. I seem to remember reading something about it.
- Shawn Snodgrass
The Pre USB hack also includes the fact it is made by Palm in the USB ID so it would be easy for Apple to block it. DVD John discovered how they did it
- Iain
Oohhhh, Leo... If you can copy DRM free music to the Pre, is Palm condoning piracy?? ;)
- Stan Augustyniewicz
Stan, DRM free music is music that doesn't have DRM (like the amazon store, the iTunes store since the recent change, and other music stores) Loe was just saying that his DRM music didn't transfer over to the Pre
- Chris Heath
Hey, Leo, can you and/or the cottage crew do some sort of evaluation on Palm Pre battery life vs number of apps running in the background?
- Stan Augustyniewicz
from BuddyFeed
Yeah... I don't think Apple are going to let that one slide...
- aminorjourney
*Your* Pre Leo? I thought you just had it on loan for review purposes for a week?
- David Bradley
Kindle has enough momentum right now.. so no point lowering price.
- Divya Mistry
Phillip I think they are under creative commons, im not sure though.
- ralphsaunders
They should put all the textbooks on Google Books and let people access them all on Kindle for $10 per month and sell the Kindle at $99 with a 2 year contract
- Charbax
I'msure Bezos aleady is in talks with the Text Book Industry
- Jim Lavin
I don't think it'll take "sit on a book" or "throw ur backpack in a corner" too many time...
- Divya Mistry
Nah you would need Wacom stylus for the Kindle not multitouch
- Charbax
What abuse? I'm a student and I can tell you the vast majority of our textbooks stay at home.
- Justin Yost
What I was going to say was, it wont be treated like a textbook, its not going to be stuffed in a bag with a load of other stuff all the time.
- ralphsaunders
The content creators never look ahead, they wait until they are losing their lunch.
- Justin Luey
by far more popular than Sony reader and other competitors
- Charbax
Yes but the cost of books on the Kindle are usually a lot less, which makes up for the cost of the Kindle
- Jim Lavin
Have you bought a college textbook lately, I spend minimum $500 a semester for books.
- Justin Yost
phil, a student could easily download a pdf of the textbook over the internet. the DX is a really good opportunity in that sense.
- ralphsaunders
Sam Davyson: Agreed. I still prefer to read a real book. I don't imagine myself curling-up in bed with a Kindle
- Phil Essing
So this is the first comment thread I've seen is functioning as a real time chat room.
- MacNeurotic
The larger kindle is about 2 things: 1)more money for textbook people since this will kill used book sales and 2)killing campus bookstores -- which more and more are owned by Barnes and Noble, an Amazon competitor
- jccalhoun
I'd love to see something that is more accessible for people with disabilities like visual impairments. I liked what the Kindle was doing about the audio until the Author's Guild had to get in the middle.
- Mol, Santa Claws
MacNeurotic, FriendFeed is a great platform for live events.
- Louis Gray
Agree with Alex there - I do the same on my iPhone
- Roberto Bonini
Or the bookstores off campus that tend to be independent stores.
- Justin Yost
E-ink is 100 times better than LCD for reading a lot of text
- Charbax
Jim - what would you prefer be discussed?
- Louis Gray
This is a good show. Really enjoy watching and listening to smart folks.
- David Damore
Skip the Kindle DX; wait for a full-colour version (or competitor) that supports comic books/graphic novels, at about $199-299, and you have a world-beater.
- Shéa Bennett
Phil, if you go to the right places PDFs are avaliable free :)
- ralphsaunders
@Sam Davyson what major? Engineering here, we have to buy pretty much all of our textbooks which are easily some of the most expensive and fastet changing books
- Justin Yost
@Charbax: Color E-ink will never come... Really?
- David Damore
Sam, there is not. FriendFeed doesn't show a # of logins.
- Louis Gray
@Landor Therein lies the question. :) It is coming, though. Remember Tom Hanks' character in Big? He was WAY ahead of his time. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
char, didn't they say that about a TB HDD?
- ralphsaunders
I buy a book and inside of 2 years the book is out of date.
- Justin Yost
Having textbooks with audio would be good for visually impaired
- Mol, Santa Claws
Louis, I just get a little tired of comparing everything to Apple devices, there are a lot more devices out there...
- Jim Lavin
taking calls on TWIT is genius! that first call worked perfectly
- Justin Luey
Jim, I mentioned that myself in terms of everybody thinking they know what's coming from them, but it's been discussed for a decade. I brought up Sony's eReader.
- Louis Gray
The Kindle Voice is not that bad... It is listenable...
- Jim Lavin
I had a friend who had to scan in his textbooks to be able to read them, he was that dyslexic.
- Justin Yost
It's better than the Kerswell computer voice :P
- Mol, Santa Claws
the only way to know how many people are in the FF chat is if they sound off
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I agree, I've had 4 different EReaders and the Kindle is the best I've used to date.
- Jim Lavin
This call in for TWIT will raise TWIT to a whole new level!
- earl wallace
That would be nice, the library books tend to be too out of date here (Texas Tech University) and our professors specifically do tests that include material only from the books, same thing and a lot of other schools that I have friends at.
- Justin Yost
It's interesting that such 'old fashioned' technology like a call-in is still a popular and perhaps pivotal feature for an internet show.
- Shéa Bennett
Agree, Shéamus, could be a good feature.
- Louis Gray
I love the call in capability, I think this add a lot to the show.
- Jim Lavin
And now thy gonna start pimping audible... alex is particularly fond of it
- Roberto Bonini
However if you are a liberal arts major you tend to not buy such expesnive books, aka English majors buy books to read, not actual textbookds.
- Justin Yost
I'm in the middle of John Hodgman's Area of My Expertise and it's cool.
- Mol, Santa Claws
@Justin Luey Leo tried talkshow on Net@Night for awhile, and I loved it. Always thought Leo should integrate it into more shows. Today it's a TWiT/Tech Guy mashup and it's gold.
- MacNeurotic
Good thing I didn't upgrade from Kindle 1 yet. Things will change again
- Francine Hardaway
@Jeremy... seems like Amazon pissed off a lot of Kindle2 owners with the DX release... no upgrade deal, eh?
- .LAG liked that
I regret the Kindle 2 purchase as well, but like Louis said, sometime you get bit being an early adopter, I'll probably get in line for a DX and give my Kindle 2 to my daughter.
- Jim Lavin
Hope this TWiT is a success, I hope he does this more often. :)
- Mol, Santa Claws
Talkshow sounds much better when it is only one person at a time.,
- Jim Lavin
You dont need to have seen the tv shows to unerstand the film which is the best thing. You just wont understand a few of the jokes, like i didnt when other people were laughing.
- Simon Wicks
Trekkers go to Nepal... Trekkies love Star Trek
- Phil Essing
I couldn't believe how they ████████ when the ████████ . And then when ████████ was on the ████████ and ████████ goes over to the ████████ ?!? ███████ing amazing.
- Ken Sheppardson
Interesting that despite rave reviews, ST still grossed about $10m less than the mostly-panned Wolverine (which I enjoyed). Wolverine made $27m this weekend, too. You'd think the fanbases would be fairly equal.
- Shéa Bennett
Leo, the problem with Friendfeed is the lack of mobile apps. It would be great to use Friendfeed on the go but I can't use it besides right in front of the laptop.
- Sweyn Venderbush
colin, yes... their back end is amazing
- Chris Heath
I know of it but Lag and Roberto but they aren't native app and they don't have notifications and they are limited by the worst phone browsers. I would like a windows mobile app as there are many iphone apps already. Nambu looks very nice.
- Sweyn Venderbush
Is it Terraccota that squarespace uses? It's either that or Hadoop that's the super sexy library for java and spreading work across a ton of computers *needs to learn it*
- Patrick Sullivan
Why isn't the comment link at the bottom of the thread instead of the top? They should switch the direction of comments if they continue to try and emulate Twitter...
- Tim Moore
@Sweyn: good points... FF is just dying for some developer to come along write an iPhone app for it...or Windows mobile, if you must. ;)
- .LAG liked that
Phone numbers will be like domain names in 3-5 years. You'll buy one, take it everywhere (cell/home/etc), and keep it for life (assuming you make renewal payments).
- Shéa Bennett
@LAG the difference is that the apps for WM are so much more expensive than iPhone apps. The IM+ app is $40 as apposed to $6 or less on the iPhone. I would pay $40 for a good FF WM app.
- Sweyn Venderbush
I just dig how I don't have a Kindle, haven't seen Star Trek and don't have Google Voice. Quite the week for me to join...
- Louis Gray
I would use Google Voice, but I moved to a different state after I got it, so the old area code # doesn't do me a lot of good now.
- Tony, Paradox of FF
seeqpod seems to be down now too. Dead or not-dead?
- Doug Slater
Thanks Louis. I actually don't see much of it on FF. As long as a user writes a preamble to give the song context it has value. Just a link is meaningless as would be a TinyURL without an introduction.
- Gregg Scott
Can I play the semi-completed Duke Nukem on my Kindle DX while dressed as a Vulcan and chatting to my 'girlfriend' on Google Voice? No? I thought this was tech?
- Shéa Bennett
I would argue this value is lessened in the world of mobile computing. But I won't slam the sponsor.
- Louis Gray
Alex looking at your www.TWiPlog.com site and the headings aren't centered. Is it hard to realign those design elments?
- Gregg Scott
@louis eventually they'll launch "Go To My Cell Phone"
- Tim Moore
But you shouldn't need it if you have a laptop.
- Louis Gray
I've always suspected MS's paperclip 'helper' in Office was responsible for the boon in serial killers in the 1990s. "I see you're writing a ransom note..."
- Shéa Bennett
bearable for now, but yeah still breathing fire. :p
- Josh Haley
You don't--it's gone, baby. Cut and paste or add to bookmarks...
- Gregg Scott
Louis should do a 19 minute podcast.
- Daniel Rowley
1st gen iPhones... Turn off Location services!
- Tommy Bevins
i've had days where i forgot to pause the ipod on my iphone when i unplugged the jack ... it didn't put audio out on the speaker, but kept running the songs and it ran down the battery by the early afternoon...
- Chris Heath
No Motorola had the first phone that worked with iTunes called the Rocker
- Jim Lavin
That's was hilarious, Daniel Rowley!
- Gregg Scott
I think a phone should just be a phone, not an all in one smart phone
- zephyrlily
3G I never use. WiFi always on. I browse internet about 20 minutes a day, I do about 15 minutes of talking a day, send about 30 sms a day. Maybe an hour of ipod a day. Lasts me 2-3 days on one charge.
- Jackson Pollock
zephyrlily i disagree... i like having an all-in-one device
- Chris Heath
my phone is a phone, but my iPod Touch is awesome
- Matthew
@leolaporte It's really not that long it didn't really start till 3:40
- D Lets
The chat on friendfeed will eventually be filtered by "likes" when they add likes for comments and provide filters in real-time to only show liked commentors
- Charbax
Thank you for an interesting show today.
- Ed Boutros
awesome show today Leo! For being fairly last minute i think it turned out great.
- Chris Heath
Dunno if anybody's reading these after the fact, but something at least tech-related in the Star Trek discussion...slight spoiler contained...Cryptic is working on an ST MMO, set about 50 years after Voyager I believe. Anyway, they have been updating their news feed once or twice a week with a story called "The Path to 2409," (http://www.startrekonline.com/fiction) which follows the...
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- David E. Mullins
Just listened via podcast. Love the TalkShoe integration, Leo!
- casey wright
Still feel actually going outside and feelign the sun and going physically to a coffee shop and meeting friends is a heck of a lot better than using twitter
- Greg
Calacanis's new podcast This Week in Startups is a great idea. Hope you talk about it today on TWIT. Follow my startup @LeannoSoftware
- Derrick Tittsworth
Adrian, as am I. this is amazing. Has come full circle from the days of Leo on TV
- Derrick Tittsworth
Leo, I was just watching http://live.twit.tv using my PS3's browser on my HD TV, and I must say. You look really good in HD, and on TV again!
- Dakota O'Neill
Your YouTube video is the same width as your written content. It looks fine on Safari 3 browser.
- Gregg Scott
this is the first time I figured out how to ask someone I am following a question- did you set up something special to allow this or am I just missing out on how to direct message someone I am following. I had tweet deck on my screen but it was hogging too much memory- I think.
- Karen Hansen
haven't really use tweetdeck. Not too impressed with adobe air
- Adrian Izquieta
greg, in chrome it's wider this time than it should, glad it look okay in safari
- Anne Wayman
Hey- I see Richard Branson is in your followers, cool! BTW I had your father as an advisor at UC.
- Karen Hansen
Ya took over a day to unisntall Adobe Air off one computer here and Adobe support did not come up with a fix rather another user did. Never reinstalled it
- Greg
adobe loves to do that. they install ton of other stuff along with their products
- Adrian Izquieta
tweetie is my favorite so far. Very simple and clean
- Adrian Izquieta
So duh- then this is friend feed that is allowing us to ask these questions, but then how can we get such access to folks with just basic Twitter, or can we not, or how does the direct message work? THX for all the support here. I started Twitter just last night after hearing Leo encourage us to use it for other things, for example, I am a fairy big activist - I see PETA had us signing a petition last night right after I began following them.
- Karen Hansen
Back one more question, how can I be sure I have set up my twitter account so that others can direct message me? I see one person I am following me has me set up with DM on- sorry for the moron questions- multi tasking and short on time
- Karen Hansen
Flock, a social-focused browser startup that has raised nearly $30 million in venture funding, has ceased building on top of the open source Firefox browser, say multiple sources. The next version of the Flock browser will be built on Google’s open source Chrome browser platform. The last version of Flock was released in October 2008.
- Leo Laporte
Maybe they should be looking at building their own on WebKit instead of trying to work on someone else's browser based on WebKit. Seems like they're trying to latch onto an identity instead of making their own identity.
- William Stearns
from twhirl
This makes me think they don't really have a clue about their own product - and it wouldn't be the first time in Flock development history. I like the Flock idea and I used it in the past, though. The article on techcrunch.com features now an update, where Flock devs state they "haven’t ceased development efforts on the Mozilla platform".
- Opensource Obscure
Very interesting. I'm currently using Flock but what I like is the integration of social networking AND the ability to use Firefox add-ons. There are several I can't live without and, if the next version doesn't support them (or similar), I'll just use Firefox. I know Chrome has promised extensions so maybe it won't matter.
- Herb Hernandez
@William: No I think using chrome is not a bad idea at all. Instead of building in all the plugin support(eg. offline support) etc. its easier this way and people would be more at home. There is no harm is latching onto the WebKit identity. More so since they would be adding on features and some people find them very useful.
- Siddharth Mitra
This is a good idea. Chrome is a better browser than firefox, faster on the whole.
- Rajesh
"No, we haven't switched. We've looked at it, just as we've looked at Mozilla 2, and will look at whatever else is promising." - Matthew Willis, Flock Employee http://is.gd/lDOO
- Ken Sheppardson
mac fans won't like this... chrome's windows only right?
- Juho Tunkelo
Agree. I keep looking if it was posted or not.
- AJ Batac
Could do, so long as it doesn't duplicate if you post the same thing to more than 1 room. Being able to post to multiple rooms and your feed from the bookmarklet would be my preference.
- Kol Tregaskes
Not being able to direct a post to both a room and my feed led me to either "reshare" the post (which is obviously not very efficient) or not to use the rooms as much as the Friendfeed platform needs.
- Brad Kligerman
I use friendfeed to consolidate my content creation. I can import almost anything in the world but the rest of my FF activity. Pretty silly isn't it?
- Antonio Piccolboni
I like the present method. I would not like my room feeds to clutter my feed.
- Wins Fern
I'm on the fence but I think you have to look at it like you would look at a club or meeting IRL. All of your friends don't want to hear you talking to your bridge club or your model airplane enthusiasts guild. That stuff stays compartmentalized.
- Laura Norvig
you can send room feeds to lists thus just for you...
- mike "glemak" dunn
Could either be an option when you join the room ("Show my posts to this room in my main feed") or a per-item option, i.e. you should be able to post to more than one room and/or your main feed at the same time.
- Ken Sheppardson
Usually you join rooms because the people who are interested in the same thing are the only ones who are going to want to see our post.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Room members are a targeted audience different than our subscribers. Posts can very well belong to multiple rooms and one's own feed. In the interest of efficiency and a single thread for a single topic, we should be able to target posts to multiple rooms and our feed.
- Alexandros Georgiadis
You are all right, but just let me import my rooms. It's an RSS feed after all.
- Antonio Piccolboni
i put rooms into my lists which seems to be a good compromise :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Here's a question for @kshep and all the Twitter API experts out there: is it possible to write a script that auto-blocks phony followers on my account? I'd love that! First we'd have to figure out what makes a bogus account: no picture+no posts+30 days old+???
Entirely possible, but as you said, it would mean determining what a phony (spam) account is, while cutting down on the possibility of false positives.
- Michael Gaines
The best auto block is to simply ignore them. If you don't follow them back you don't have to see their nonsense. Problem solved. Again - I don't manage who follows me, I manage who I follow.
- Brian Roy
Sure, it's possible... Do you truly want to prevent them from seeing what you post, or is the goal to "deflate" your follower count?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd do it just to clean up my numbers, but if numerous people blocked spammy accounts Twitter could not ignore their existence. That's why you'd want to use Block. These inflated numbers benefit Twitter's valuation but not the conversation.
- Leo Laporte
Leo, SocialToo has a tool where you can automatically unfollow people who follow you and unfollow you in a certain number of days (such as 2). That quick follow/unfollow is a clear indicator of a faux account on most days. http://www.socialtoo.com
- Louis Gray
Yeah, "block" is really the closest thing Twitter has to something like eBay's negative feedback. Lemme see what I can do... :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
I'm not autofollowing. I carefully control who I follow, and with all these spammers joining I'm sure most people will stop using autofollow tools. Autofollow is the only reason I can think of for spammers on Twitter. Correction - I do autofollow on @twitlive - but I don't see a lot of spammers there for some reason.
- Leo Laporte
Leo: When us mere mortals who don't have tens of thousands of followers and aren't getting 1K plus new followers a day do get a new one, we typically go check out the new follower's profile. In the case of a "real spammer" vs a "fake user", the spammer just got our attention and we saw their message.
- Ken Sheppardson
...and the "mere mortal" crack wasn't intended as snark. I just meant "every day, non-celebrity user" :-)
- Ken Sheppardson
So the trick here is that you have to make a separate API call to get the extended info for each of your followers to find out who they're following. At the 20K/hr rate limit... 90K followers... it takes a while. It'd be interesting to see the analysis though... maybe I'll invest half a night's worth API calls and collect the data...
- Ken Sheppardson
What if we croudsource bogus account detection. Bogus accounts probably follow a ton of people. If n people block that user then they're probably bogus. Sort of like Gmail's mark as spam alorithm.
- KyleHase
from twhirl
There's a fine line between doing something as an experiment to collect data or as a one off to fix one's own list and doing Twitter's job for them (i.e. fraud and spam detection.)
- Ken Sheppardson
you must purchase Guitar Hero World Tour - get the entire thing (drums, etc)
- Dave Hodson
Mario Galaxy, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros Brawl. If you have old firmware version intall the Homebrew channel! Don't buy ANY third party games. They are all feces. And the cross-bow training game is wack too.
- pixelcrafter
from twhirl
@ pixelcrafter most third party games suck but some are really good like 'no more heroes' and 'zack and wiki'
- Karl Evard
Sheryl, I was never interested in video games before the Wii. Apparently that's the market it was originally aimed at and they certainly got me hooked :)
- Nicola Quinn
I don't have a Wii, but I do have a Nintendo DS and I have Mario Kart for it and it's awesome, so it must be even better on the Wii. I recommend Mario Kart Wii
- Eevee
from IM
I second the motion for a Wii Fit. It's more fun than you're bouncing ball seat. For real fun I agree with the calls for Guitar Hero World Tour. Even Guitar Hero 3 is extreme fun. The tunes are just right for guys our age. GHWT however looks like it goes leaps forward. I just got mine and will be playing as soon as I get some free time. No matter what just enjoy the Wii experience and ALWAYS wear the wrist straps!
- Derek Erb
yep wii fit is great and of course either guitar hero or rock band depending on what you like..acessories dont work with each other though..
- Samuel Lewis
from twhirl
Wii Sport for the tennis game, Top Spin 3 for, erm the tennis again. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Definitely a rechargeable battery pack and a dock to charge the Wiimotes. I have one from Nyko.
- Rodfather
hear great things about Guitar Hero World Tour...so I'm giving 3 away starting Feb 1st on my site. We will see how much response I get from that.
- MarkCarras
Legend of Zelda! Mario Cart, Mario Galaxy, Super Smash Bros
- Jen Kuiper
(UPDATE: I was wrong, read the rest of the thread to see why, don't buy stuff off of your own affiliate links) The real story is everyone should go and make their own affiliate link. Then everytime you buy something off of Amazon you should use that link. You'll get some cash back. This could save you hundreds of dollars every year. The fact that very few people do that is lame.
- Robert Scoble
Also, Louis missed that the link itself is disclosure. You all should learn to recognize an affiliate code that's inside the URL itself (which is how Louis noticed my use of it last night).
- Robert Scoble
good point. i did that in the past. works like a charm. keep forgetting to do it recently. thanks for the reminder.
- ~C4Chaos
The guy who keeps @god account on Twitter told me he's saved thousands of dollars every year by using his affiliate link to buy stuff.
- Robert Scoble
You HAVE to do this. It's so easy to set up & so nice to get some cash back. I set up my own search page & buy everthing through it. I set my default to search for blu-ray since that's my #1 purchase lately.
- Bryan Duke
I thought it was against the terms of the affiliate scheme to buy from your own link.
- Paul Kinlan
from Friend Deck
Nope, it's legal to buy through your own links
- Bryan Duke
That's not permitted by Amazon: "You may not purchase products during sessions initiated through the links on your site for your own use, for resale or commercial use of any kind."
- Scott Loftesness
That would be "a story", not necessarily the "real story". For me the real story is that you have an opportunity to convert the network to revenue. That 90% of the discussion is around disclosure is fine. Truth is, I would rather buy off your affiliate link than give 100% to Amazon, but I doubt most of your readers knew that was going on.
- Louis Gray
The discussion was interesting, though. We rarely disclose affiliate payments in society. If my lawyer refers me to another lawyer he gets a kickback. Same for many doctors and dentists. I've never had one disclose those relationships and kickbacks.
- Robert Scoble
scoble - you do realize what you just said IS ABSOLUTELY AGAINST THE AMAZON AFFILIATE TOS - people DO NOT do that - you will be banned on amazon.
- Allen Stern
This is a big deal to me. I've posted affiliate links approx, 1/10 of 1% of posts on ff and twitter. It's all about trust. If Robert posts a link, and gets credit, I just don't care, in fact I'm glad. If Joe schmo shows up and 1st post, or many, are just hocking shit, I'm reporting him. In fact I hold the record for turning in spammers on twitter.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
@Robert: True! But you can save more by signing up with better affiliate programs. And you can still use coupon codes (which people still don't do as often as they could.) Amazon isn't the only game in town.
- AJ Kohn
Louis: good point. But this wasn't about getting other people to buy. It was not a review. It was not me telling you to go buy now. That's why I didn't feel a compelling reason to disclose. That said, it did cause me to figure out my affiliate code again (I hadn't used it in quite a while). Scott: I didn't realize that.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble you remain a God with a chiseled body
- sofarsoShawn
Not only is at against the TOS they police it heavily -- you will get caught.
- Brian Sullivan
Section 4 of the Amazon Associates Operating Agreement: "You may not purchase products during sessions initiated through the links on your site for your own use, for resale or commercial use of any kind." (from paragraph 4) Amazon DO check this and even if you are initially credited, they will strip it out before you are paid.
- Gordon Saunders
Scott: this is easy to get around, though. All I'd need to do is call Louis up, tell him I was going to buy a bunch of stuff, and then use his code to buy and get my money back from Louis.
- Robert Scoble
Robert -- maybe easy to get around but still fraud.
- Brian Sullivan
I was one of the first amazon affiliates many, many years ago and have watched tons of affiliates be banned because of the behavior scoble says is "lame" - as I noted above and others have as well - do not buy stuff using your own affiliate code!
- Allen Stern
@Louis Can you make me understand why there is a rabid interest in revenue/monetization for things in which people have no investment? I have never been able to grasp this concept.
- EricaJoy
Allen: I didn't realize this. Interesting!
- Robert Scoble
Josh: truth be told I missed that. Do you read every TOS in depth? I don't.
- Robert Scoble
Can't link to the TOS page on amazon without being logged so here it is "You may not purchase products during sessions initiated through the links on your site for your own use, for resale or commercial use of any kind. This includes orders for customers or on behalf of customers or orders for products to be used by you or your friends, relatives, or associates in any manner. Such purchases may result (in our sole discretion) in the withholding of referral fees and/or the termination of this Agreement."
- Chris
OK, who wants my affiliate purchase? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Amazon prohibits buying from yourself. In fact, using your own link doesn't get you anything (but it would probably work if you opened up a separate account with a different CC & address). But I agree that it is total wasted opportunity to NOT use your affiliate id when sharing an amazon link. (Even though after ~300 clicks the only affiliate sale I ever got was from my mom)
- Daniel Sims
The trick is to convince your friends to buy stuff using your affiliate code, and you return the favour by buying stuff with theirs. It's like gifting money all year long, and not just at Christmas or birthdays. That's not against the TOS and I'd argue it's not fraud, either -- not directly profiting from purchases against your affiliate code.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Josh - I can't answer for how smart Scoble is or is not - I am merely trying to help properly educate the millions and millions of people who follow his postings so that they don't get screwed when they buy stuff and then get no affiliate earnings. I am not yet ready to comment on the usage of affiliate links in his postings as of yet. But I will, you can rest assured of that :)
- Allen Stern
The funny part is Amazon is a dreadful affiliate program. Plenty of other programs with FAR better terms.
- AJ Kohn
That's pretty stupid that the TOS can't be linked without being logged in.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@AJ True, but can you think of a program with a better selection of goods? Amazon isn't just books any more.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
I agree w/ Allen/Louis it's the DISCLOSURE issue, and whether or not you while testing a product will be unduly lenient so as to make sales to increase your revenue stream
- sofarsoShawn
I think it all should go to charity At least, that would be my style. Then, if you'd buy through me, you're giving a gift to people who need it more than I do.
- Meryn Stol
all of us are not as fortunate to not need the cash.
- Shaun Haney
Josh: when I started this thread I never expected to learn something myself. That's what's interesting about two-way media. You put one thing out there and it turns out you're wrong and everyone else teaches you what's up. Imagine this were 30 years ago. I would have put an article into a newspaper, been wrong, then we would have run a "correction" on the bottom of page three. Damage would have been done and everyone wouldn't have learned something. Here we learn in real time. This is EXACTLY why I love ff.
- Robert Scoble
@Chris: The yield from Amazon is *SO* low because the cookie for revenue is only set for that *session* Other programs have 30-90 *day* cookies! So, you go through one of my links and two weeks later buy and I get a cut. Both LinkShare and CJ have a decent selection of merchants with better terms. Why drive traffic and help Amazon sell when they're being so stingy. It's inertia in my opinion, plain and simple.
- AJ Kohn
AJ: that's a good point. What are some other good affiliate networks you've dealt with?
- Robert Scoble
Josh: if I weren't willing to be seen an idiot none of us would ever learn. That said, I gotta start reading TOS's a lot closer. If I did anything wrong, it was going too fast.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Join Linkshare (http://www.linkshare.com) and Commission Junction (http://www.cj.com) They are the two biggest US affiliate programs and have a wide selection of merchants to choose from - from Macy's to Home Depot to NewEgg to iTunes to Apple to Buy.com etc. etc. *Far* better terms than Amazon.
- AJ Kohn
Erica, you asked if I could explain "a rabid interest in revenue/monetization for things in which people have no investment?" Depends on what "no investment" means. I would argue, as Robert likely would, that we both have invested time and effort into building a community and sharing across networks. If these services are replacing blogs, that were previously used for revenue, you can see the push to find ways to monetize.
- Louis Gray
Continuing to Erica: Commerce and finance and business in a new world or platform is very compelling. Robert is seen as an early adopter and thought leader. He is trusted and genuine to the vast majority of people. What he does is very interesting because of him as an individual, and because he could be a trend-setter.
- Louis Gray
glad to read this - i have earned some money with amazon and others and i wouldn't risk losing that income stream by using my own affiliate codes to buy. I sure as heck will help others buy thru them tho :) and yes, i wish Amazon's cookies would last as long as the others at cj.com etc. http://planet5d.com - the best canon 5D2 site on the planet :)
- planetMitch
UPDATE: Robert, we are ALL consumers. Why not go through each others links? I seek out bloggers, someone I know could use it, any time I'm buying online as a thank you for their efforts.
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
I don't think anyone else has mentioned it, so here goes. RS in my book doesn't have to be unbiased about a product on Amazon he affiliate links to, because there are usually plenty of other reviews to read about the product in question. Read them and then make up your own mind. And Robert, keep the money - you took the time and trouble to write the article, review, whatever.
- Richard Williams
Here's another idea: Why don't we set up a master thread for Amazon affiliate links, and you can buy from your favorite FriendFeeder? :-)
- Louis Gray
Richard: I didn't even write a review. I just noted that Amazon is sold out. So, I haven't made a single dollar off of this yet (Amazon only pays out when they ship a product). That said, who wants my money? I'll cancel my order and buy again with someone else's code. Louis? Now that I know I can't use my own code I'd rather SOMEONE get the money from my purchase.
- Robert Scoble
@AJ: Either of those services good for Canadians? Otherwise, I'm stuck with Amazon anyway.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Louis: absolutely there will be a push to make money with these things. If I'm laid off saving a few bucks when buying things will be a big deal. I can see an "affiliate club" could be a big deal. Scratch my back and I'll scratch yours, kind of thing.
- Robert Scoble
@Chris: Yes they have Canadian programs but check out the sites and look at the terms.
- AJ Kohn
Robert, if you get laid off... let me know. I have some ideas. :-)
- Louis Gray
FWIW - it's pretty tough to catch people who purchase through their own affiliate links. I'm not advocating that you do so, but the reality is it's often more expensive to find this activity rather than let it occur. In my experience (running and managing affiliate programs) only a few high abusers are caught. [edit] Perhaps it's gotten easier to detect of late, I'm a few years away from it now.
- AJ Kohn
Man, I'm being pulled in 9 directions at home. I want to have this discussion very much though. Kids come first, hope your interest remains. Thanks for round 6,000 of cool discussions here. Appreciated. {| :~)
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
[edit339est]Gray, your proposal for affiliate links for FFers was similar to what I was thinking in the shower: a page from one's blog where all their affiliate links are posted alongside any relevant reviews and thumbnails.
- coldbrew
ha ha... you are unbelievable.. so you get caught red handed in your words.start this thread saying louis "missed" the real point..(deflect) then tell others to break TOS... wow.. you have the arrogance to say if you weren;t willing to be seen as some idiot "we" wouldn't learn...now you are trying to look smart and deflect the bad side, by saying... loook who wants my order... unreal! you just went down in my estimation.. but who gives a shit what I think. Im just some stupid person who cant read urls.
- Rob Sellen :o)
Scoobie, this has been around a long time, go to fatwallet, sign up, use the links, get fatcash.
- Morgan Warstler
Changing the subject - what if an affiliate link in a tweet or a FriendFeed item is disguised via tinyurl or some such link shortening service? Yes, once the link's resolved, you'll see the "disclosure" that this is an affiliate link, but such disclosure will not be visible on the original tweet. Would that be considered misleading? For example: http://tinyurl.com/whatevi...
- Ontario Emperor
If I had 50,000 followers generating affiliate revenue, I wouldn’t have to order through my own links for any other discount. ;-p
- mtlb
this is much more direct Yeah hindsight is 20/20, and I’m sure @scobelizer would have given full disclosure if he had been aware of what the situation was to turn into. But in the grand scheme of it all Robert Scoble is still a super genuine guy, who I believe doesn’t harbour a corrupt bone in his body. He made a teensy mistake, but then who hasn’t and who can say they wouldn’t have overlooked the same thing in those circumstance. Would Robert Scoble really give up being King of the internet for a Kindle?
- sofarsoShawn
Has anybody mentioned that Wil Shipley has made gobs of money from Amazon affiliate royalties via his Delicious Library cataloging software? It doesn't cost you any more/less to buy something from an affiliate link, so what's the big deal? Why does there need to be disclosure? The real story is nobody could figure out how Scoble could capitalize on his huge audience. Geez. The guy consumes and produces more information in a day than most do in a month. Let him make a buck off his investment.
- Paul Reynolds
Robert: Set up an Afiliate Store (ala Gruber http://astore.amazon.com/daringf...) and link to it then there's nobody accusing you of being sneaky... I heard you encoded subliminal tweets that make us want to buy stuff. No wait, that was the plot of the Josie & The Pussycats movie. My bad.
- Paul Reynolds
lol paul +1 for dropping in a josie & pussycats reference
- mike "glemak" dunn
Set one up for him.(without him asking).To support the Scoble Family (maybe put Milan through College one day) http://www.familyaffiliatestore.com/Scoble... Thanks Louis for the idea. Hope to create them for everyone who wants one and put all their links in one spot. Any help and suggestions are appreciated.
- Jonathan
Do we have a consensus yet on the rights/wrongs of affiliate linkage? I need to know how to proceed here :)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Micah, I thought about posting that one instead of Gruber's store. :o)
- Paul Reynolds
Also for outright, the title of Louis' Blog post was itself incendiary and borderline libel, how now that all the ducks were in a row you could plan to take advantage of a "FriendFeed/Twitter Monetization Strategy" as though it was some grand plot you'd been anxiously waiting, rubbing your greedy hands for. So what's the big scheme Robert I want in? ~ this is old news
- sofarsoShawn
i would not even know how to 'sign out' of my own affialiate like as I visit amazon very often as well as for my items on amazon. I expect amazon just to strip out what was bought with the same email address as the affiliate code I am using - I think we can expect that much simple logic from them :)
- Nicole Simon
Shawn, you said, "the title of Louis' Blog post was itself incendiary and borderline libel", and I would have to disagree. The title consisted of who (Scoble) the verb (starts) where (FriendFeed Twitter) and what (monetization). If I had wanted to be incendiary, I would have used adjectives, or focused on the lack of disclosure and made noise about it. I didn't. I would tend to believe your conclusion is in the minority.
- Louis Gray
HUUHHHHHHHH -- SCANDAL!!! I feel so violated...
- sofarsoShawn
Good for him. If I was in the market to buy one and he had a link, it's no skin off my back. If I wasn't in the market his post about it would just fly right under my radar.
- Martha
Nice catch. He may need to be un-followed moving forward. From what I can tell, he is genuine, but he missed out on being transparent and that screws with my bullshit meter (it may need adjustment).
- coldbrew
Doh! Amazon Affiliates are the obvious play. It makes complete sense. Will be interesting to see how/if this catches on.
- Roberto Bonini
I think content should never contain affiliate links as to remove all chances AND suspicions of conflict of interest. I think the only thing one can safely get out of social media is reputation - personal branding you could say, which can be "monetized" true better job opportunities, consulting offers, etc. Affiliate links in your content destroys the trustworthiness of your brand, at least for me.
- Meryn Stol
@Roberto & colbrew believe me I expect Kindle's for ALL of US!
- sofarsoShawn
But nothing wrong with charging $200 per hour because you're a super star. Super stars are - per definition - scarce.
- Meryn Stol
@sofarsoshawn: believe me, this thread is not about the Kindle
- coldbrew
true, no more sarcasm (well maybe a lil), it's a little bit equitable to investment bankers plugging their own stocks before the first financial plummet after which, disclosure became a must if there was any possible conflict of interest. I'm not equating it 100% at all, but it is akin in that it casts doubt on that persons repupation as a reliable source
- sofarsoShawn
*shakes head* Kindle wouldn't have half of the Internati buzz without affiliates pimping it for referral fees. Yet, no one really thinks about it on this macro level. Instead you aim at the guy who didn't get a free v1 Kindle and panned it when he did get one. It's the right thing to be cautious of, but applied to the wrong person.
- AJ Kohn
I have no issues with this. Robert is a unique 'brand'... No one has to follow him or click the links. Also, an endorsement of the kindle is hardly being a shill, it's a good device - might as well be paid in doing so. That said, I'd say free service like FF and Twitter should get a cut.
- Vince DeGeorge
I don't really mind at all. The affiliate cash doesn't hurt the purchaser at all. Who cares if Scobez makes some extra money?
- Internet's Tad
What's so big about sticking in affiliate links like that? I do it all the time when I reference books, and have been doing so for a good long time now. I thought by these days, it'd be a no-brainer to do something like this. Much ado about nothing.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
@Chris and all, I wouldn't call this "much ado about nothing". The reason I posted is because of Robert's visibility and the previous discussion of how he was "wasting his time". How could he convert the community to revenue? If he put a note out on Twitter asking for $5 via PayPal, would that have been effective or as good? It's an interesting move.
- Louis Gray
It is indeed much ado about nothing. Damn near any Amazon link you encounter these days is going to have an affiliate code embedded in it. Most of mine do and its no big deal, people click or they don't. If it starts to get spammy thats when the problems happen. However if you're posting a link to a product you're discussing, why not put the affiliate link in there? You were going to link to it anyway and the same people were going to click the link anyway. I fail to see the problem here.
- EricaJoy
@Chris: +1. I run a book blog. I review books and I bash Kindle. I still have affiliate links. The issue shouldn't be whether you use affiliate links it should be whether the affiliate links taint that person's reviews of products. *MANY* in the Kindle space are tainted but Scoble is not one of them.
- AJ Kohn
Erica, I wouldn't put this in the "problem" category. But Scoble potentially converting his user stream across multiple networks into revenue is newsworthy, especially versus December's discussion about needing an intervention and how he was propping up service valuations and getting nothing in return. I think you'll see the biggest "criticism" I had was that it wasn't disclosed - which others across the Web have had mixed agreement with.
- Louis Gray
Erica: Do a affiliate link for charity then.
- Meryn Stol
I'm ok with Robert doing this if he discloses it - e.g. by adding in [AD] and limiting this to once a day. I'd also want him to care about the products, which I'm assuming is the case with the Kindle.
- Mike Doeff
Josh: How do you mean? My point was that you shouldn't give your "constituency" any reason to doubt your objectivity, your honesty. Likewise, I also don't like sales person who work on commission basis. They're just wrong incentives. They could be honest, sure. But they also could be saying things out of financial interest.
- Meryn Stol
I must add that full upfront disclosure (should practically be part of his blog header) would help a lot.
- Meryn Stol
I suspect that Robert's posting of links here contravenes Amazon's operating agreement -- section 10 specifically but I that is between him and Amazon.
- Brian Sullivan
why???? why does it matter? In a sense, if you post a NON aff link, do you feel thats better? if so WHY?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Brian, what does section 10 of that agreement specify? (too lazy to look)
- Mike Doeff
Meryn: I will disclose from now on. I wasn't telling anyone to buy them. I actually hate the first Kindle quite a bit. Here's my review: http://scobleizer.com/2007...
- Robert Scoble
By the way, I see lots of people linking to their blogs where they make a lot more money off of the hits through advertising. I never see disclosure of those links.
- Robert Scoble
10. Responsibility for Your Site You will be solely responsible for the development, operation, and maintenance of your site and for all materials that appear on your site. For example, you will be solely responsible for: the technical operation of your site and all related equipment ensuring the display of Special Links on your site does not violate any agreement between you and any...
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- Brian Sullivan
@scobleizer I don't have a problem with affiliate links in Twitter, but a disclosure would be appreciated.
- John Grinde
What's in section 10? Sounds like interesting reading, but not this morning :)
- coldbrew
I see the thread has gotten to be 90% on the disclosure issue - and good morning, Robert. What are alternative ways you think Robert and others could convert their visibility on these networks to revenue?
- Louis Gray
Robert, just to be clear: I do trust you that you're not becoming the stereotypical "upselling" sales person. Anyway, you see the fuss. I think you know as no others that full transparency is best.
- Meryn Stol
poor guy, one affiliate link, and the whole blogosphere jumps on him.
- xavier vespa
Louis: want to make money on social networks? Put ads on your blogs and link to them. Oh, wait, this is an aggregator and it does that by default. Or, get a job at a PR firm because you are a highly thought of blogger (or keep your job because of that). I never see people disclosing those kinds of links. Meryn: I will diclose from now on when I link to sites using affiliate codes. Personally I doubt I'll make any substantial income off of these links. Certainly hasn't been the case yet.
- Robert Scoble
Meryn... WHY is it best and for who? would it have made you feel better if it was a NON aff link?? why? would it have mattered if it was a NON aff link but not disclosed? Or was disclosed?
- Rob Sellen :o)
xavier: I actually think this is funny since the link itself gives disclosure of a kind. There's lots of people making money here that aren't disclosing it.
- Robert Scoble
how is §10 of the Amazon agreement relevant? sorry for being dense, but I read it and I don't see the connection.
- Nathan Rein
The agreement has a discussion about where you can post links - specifically on "your site" - section 10 further refines the definition of "your site".
- Brian Sullivan
The focal point here for me is finding a way to convert the followers to revenue. Robert knows that from me its not personal. I don't run ads on the blog, or charge people to read, and I have zero problem with his Seagate ads. I have zero problem with his links to Amazon having affiliate URLs. As mentioned in the article, I would have preferred a note of disclosure, but what I like here is the thinking about how he can leverage his work over the last few years in building a network.
- Louis Gray
Adding on... if you were thinking about buying a Kindle or anything from Amazon, start with Robert's URL and make the poor guy some cash! :-)
- Louis Gray
why?? he aint POOR is he? lol... but I agree in that sense, if I was buying sommat anyway, i'd rather it went to help someone than not. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
If Robert would be pitching products and asked readers to "tip" him for his advice by buying the product through an affiliate link, then I would consider that a very fair deal. I've said this somewhere else, but this is relevant here: I'm more likely to pay for "donation ware" than for shareware.
- Meryn Stol
I only see a very small problem with this. I think disclosing the affiliate link would have been better, but many people look to Robert as an online "cool hunter" of sorts. That's adding value to the information exchange and being compensated shouldn't be frowned upon IMHO. If he handles it poorly (and obvious conflicts of interest arise) he will lose his value add and lose his followers.
- mikepk
That's ok, but thats only you Meryn. ;o) So you would rather use my beer button my blog than click an aff link when buying something you would buy anyway but decided to buy then through my post etc..,? what difference does it make either way?
- Rob Sellen :o)
@mikepk: I partially agree. I don't think disclosure is really needed. (I don't need the useless privacy updates I get from every credit card either.) It comes down to trust. Do you trust that the individual is not being influenced by the monetary incentive? If you suspect there is bias based on the affiliate relationship then that person loses trust and followers and ultimately hurts their own revenue stream.
- AJ Kohn
@mikepk I agree it's a small problem, however I would like to know why Scoble didn't disclose, that is if he feels up to answer it ~ Scoble? Btw I think Robert Scoble is a God with a chiseled body
- sofarsoShawn
Chris.... thats what i would do... i wouldn't just go through his, id rather choose who my aff payment goes to :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I looked at and clicked on the link -- the link has the word "scobleizer" in it -- seems to me that is effective disclosure? It doesn't go directly to the amazon Kindle page either -- it goes to an intermediary link. I think there was disclosure if not totally overt. Only an idiot would think it is not an affiliate link.
- Brian Sullivan
Josh... who are you to say we are "getting to smart for our own good here"? What is your problem with someone trying to earn a living online? who cares where you actually earn through your link?
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Josh: It was a bit tongue in cheek :) I mean, who needs more help, me or Scoble. Well, maybe I'm biased.
- AJ Kohn
++josh ;o) very true, be yourself and stop idolising certain people and your view does become clearer. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert Scoble is now officially spam.
- Josh Haley
The honnesty in affiliate revenues is easy to tell: A review that is supposed to describe you a product MUST include a disclosure about the affiliation. A simple link without a real review is called an Ad. What I mean, is that when you making a full review with list of advatnages, you have to tell me if you are affiliated with the product owner or not so I can tell if your review is biased or not.
- directeur
There is no need for disclosure. I automatically assume that everyone is out for a buck. If someone posts a link to a product, i'll just assume they might make something from my purchase. So what. If i want the product (i should have researched it), it was a useful tip and they may deserve a some referral income. This is very similar to viral marketing. Although scobleizer's link was in the clear, in the future they won't be. There's nothing we can do to stop it. It's simply capitalism doing its thing.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Josh: I didn't disclose because I didn't ask anyone to buy anything. In fact, I really hate the original Kindle (I sold mine a long time ago after giving it a horrible review). The link itself is disclosure, by the way. If you don't know how to read URLs you should learn how Amazon and other places work. This discussion is good for everyone to become more knowledgeable about that. By the way, I did disclose within minutes of posting that item. Louis asked me about it and I disclosed within a few minutes.
- Robert Scoble
I'm just messin' with him. I say go for it. Affiliate marketing has helped me too, I just haven't really pushed it on my friends yet.
- Josh Haley
As for it being spam: block him if you don't want to see it.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I'm really angry now, none of you guys have an affiliate beer link on your site.
- Greg Guitarbuster
Robert, I think lot of people tend to assume "purposive behavior" when someone "steps out of line" (at least in their view). My first reaction was likewise. I think you've got enough social capital to ride through this controversy. :)
- Meryn Stol
Doesn't Robert Scoble live in America? Anyone heard of this crazy thing they do there...capitalism?! I can't believe he's trying to make a buck in a capitalist society...simply amazing! He want's food on his table? Clothes on his back. Ridiculous. Have him move to Cuba and roll cigars in the name of the homeland and earn a living the real way in a Communist state. That's how to capitalize. I can't believe this is news.
- Brian Bufalo
If I find a product I truly like, and have it myself, or I am planning to buy it, and I want to share it with everyone else, I'll go check to see if it's available on Amazon, and post the affiliate link. I don't see any problem with that. Conversely, if you post an affiliate link to something I want (amazon or anywhere else) I don't care that you make some commission, as long as I get the product I want at the price I am willing to pay.
- Ian May
louis, one way to monetize is to use community currencies.
- ernie yacub
I hope he gets rich--we will still be in his debt.
- Robert Linthicum
[stares into thread] For relaxing times... make it... Suntory time. [raises glass of whiskey] http://www.SUNTORY.com
- Karim
Robert...you only disclosed it AFTER getting "caught red handed" by your own addmission, you had NO real intention of doing a disclosure and you know it.... thats why you said "caught red handed"... either you had no intention, or hoped to not get spotted... but you were, now you say we "should learn how URLs work" as if we should know better... unbelievable.
- Rob Sellen :o)
robert linthicum.. why?? what do we owe him???
- Rob Sellen :o)
@Rob he's received far more publicity doing it the way he did than he would have with a pre-disclosure. It's all "meh" to me.
- Mattb4rd
@Mattb4rd I disagree, especially since when one says the alternative would be lessened yet there's no going back, no do overs to see what happens this renders your whole point moot. Openness & transparency beforehand would have rendered would have lessened the controversy
- sofarsoShawn
I don't get what the big deal is.... you guys are crazy. Hope ya got some bling, Robert. :)
- Adam Curry
I don't see the big deal, If you like the "product" and buy the product, the price is the price affiliate link or not.
- Ron"micronet"Harwood
Wow, Adam, it has been way too long since I have seen you. Nice to see you here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I think the link is disclosure enough and Robert is worth some extra money..
- Peter
Just another example of political correctness gone to an extreme. Save the bandwidth and end this discussion. There's nothing wrong with affiliate links and people clamoring for disclosure should just be smart enough to move on with their lives.
- Pankaj
from twhirl
All I can say is congratulations Robert for this important initiative! This is an excellent approach to start a discussion about monetization on Twitter, FF and others (One I support). We used to have the same reaction when advertising and affiliation came to blogs, those have now many supporters. There are many questions such as: should we find a standard (disclosure)? What about the platform own future monetization model? etc.
- Zack Brandit
Possessed? Demonetize the need demon. Focus on giving gifts of value and beauty without expecting gold. Value what cannot be bought or sold.
- Phil Boiarski
I don't see anything wrong with linking to amazon or affiliate links. I've got an amazon affiliate account. If I find a book that I like and am going to blog about it do I include my affiliate link. Sure. Why the heck not? If I talk about my Canon 5D M2, or drobo, or whatever, will I put one in? Sure. I've never seen anything wrong with any of that.
- Thomas Hawk
oh, and I also sell adds on my blog through Federated Media. Don't see a problem with that either.
- Thomas Hawk
i love to sleep in dc noise. :) awesome!
- Yusuf Yıldız
Love these pictures...especially the cables. How come they can make miles of cables look so neat (and colorful) while the back of my desk is a gray tangle of dust bunnies?
- Pete Marshall
Robert, the next time you want to hug hundreds of terabytes of storage, you have an open invitation to swing by BlueArc. We would be pleased to have you as our guest.
- BlueArc
Haha! Thanks for the time you spent at GoGrid Robert! I was great spending time with you and Rocky!
- Michael Sheehan
Me likey. It also doesn't hurt that I'm a fan of GoGrid. Though I heard Amazon just implemented some wacky thing called a "graphical user interface" on EC2 about a week ago. ;-)
- Karim
LOL! Only a geek would get that phrase. :-)
- darnell
from BuddyFeed
Those are some junky servers. They should not have allowed pics. Does not speak well of them.
- Wayne
Wayne: they have 20,000 square feet of servers and stuff. Should I post more photos? I guess this is why most companies don't let people take photos of their data centers. There's always something to criticize. "You didn't do that wiring right."
- Robert Scoble
They have dozens of racks. I just picked ones with interesting colors and density of repeating lines.
- Robert Scoble
Oh yeah, pure IT Geek porn there. Currently cleaning trying to zoom in further on the racks. :)
- Robert Miller
@MarkCarras I don't, "unlistened to audiobooks and podcasts" folder == 51.4 GB.
- Phillip Stewart
I hate listening to podcasts that are old. The info does me no good. So I try to keep my podcatcher limited to what I can listen to in a day. Otherwise it drives me nuts. :D
- MarkCarras
Leo should add a clause that says " TWIT is no responsible for any violation of NDA's or any other legal bindings." It is quite dangerous when people slip and forget they are on camera.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
"After entering this studio, NDA stands for No Dumb Agreements"
- Billy Doyle
You cept asking if it was live lol....
- ralphsaunders
I can't even tell you the number of times I've seen people trash careers, friendships, and advertising accounts by taking for granted that a studio microphone isn't live.
- Chris Baskind
That was a great show! The sign is great :)
- Justin Levy
From my days as a college radio show host, I think the 'Cough Drop' button just cuts your mic if you're about to cough into it...hah, haven't seen one like that, though.
- James O'Malley
Just remembered that too. Listening now
- Tyler (Chacha)
I am a little upset Leo has as many computers on his desk as I do, I am sure I can fit one more in.
- John D Reasor
So many voices .. the Chris Marquardt thing is really annoying
- Tyler (Chacha)
Robert! Tell Leo to shut off the recording! I want to actually hear you guys!
- Michael Forian
He's doing a radio show, stop advising him what to do!!
- Charlieray
Hey. Hey. I just want to listen to the show. Play nice kids :)
- Michael Forian
Michael, 11-2 is "KFI Time." They provide $$$$ (and I assume you don't)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
It doesn't matter ... he shouldn't be giving us the Radio show anyway. They asked him not to
- Tyler (Chacha)
I concede that TwitLive is confusing at times during "KFI Time" but it is completely up to Leo how he handles it. To make too many demands is to risk seeming ungrateful for all the free content he DOES provide IMO.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker