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Ah, but Loren, you should know not to treat a single item as an isolated incident, outside of its context. :) If I had been through a bad experience with a company for months, and if something bad had happened earlier that day, I'd probably be predicting death and destruction also. - Ontario Emperor from fftogo

I made a comment that I am sure will not get approved by a moderator lol - Andrew Fielding from twhirl

Ontario - Dave Winer is a delusional dope. He's probably downloading fat naked chick vids and every Battlestar Galactica episode at the same time. Can you really blame Comcast? - loren feldman

Add to the mix FlickrFan (remember that?) running on five machines! (http://tinyurl.com/59ql2b) Hey Dave, next time you're at the Apple Genius Bar, perhaps you could ask for an explanation of file sharing? - John Newsjunk

Yeah John I remember http://www.youtube.com/watch... - loren feldman

Ha! - chartreuse

Don't worry, I'm sure there are plenty of big timers hating you! A few, anyway! Most are probably too afraid to say anything, though, for fear of being more thoroughly mocked. You can bet that Dave Winer, for instance, would love to do something more creative with http://www.1938media.net/, if he had the talent (is he a big timer outside his the dwindling circle of sycophants and old-time Frontier users?). - John Newsjunk

John, Winer is such a pussy its ridiculous. - loren feldman

Awesome Eban plug away. - loren feldman

t gets almost embarrassing to point out Winer is his perfect name, just missing the "h". It is too easy. By the way, Faith brought home some booze, that means I am tanked, so here goes the shameless promotion, get two free CD's by listening to Reaching for Lucidity 2.0 #369 at http://reachingforlucidity.net/.... I have finally drank enough to throw that in - Eban Crawford

Aaron, are you serious? I mean, really. - Eban Crawford

Maybe it is because you doing so well that no one with a brain thinks negatively of you? - Andrew Fielding

Was that Shel's cat?Just askin - Mark Forman

No no -- the cat is Loren Feldman, 1938 Media. - Dave Winer

Given any battle that matters, my chips are with the mensch. Kudos, Dave - Dave Martin

Very mature. ;-) - Leo Laporte

Ah, but now Loren will unleash a video on you. And video is a big thing. Michael Nesmith said so, in Rolling Stone classifieds circa 1980... - Ontario Emperor from fftogo

Oh I can't wait for him to "unleash" it -- it's so dangerous. :-) - Dave Winer

And so manly. - Dave Winer

Cool Dave! We think alike. His one (off) note trick is being mean to people (and not doing anything constructive). - Pokai

Puerile but what else might we expect? - Dennis Howlett from twhirl

Social Wars v2.0 - brought to you by Dave. - Vic Podcaster

I'm disappointed. Dave, what is the expected outcome of this? And who will it benefit? - Mohamed J

It's just for fun, and it can always come down. But not until shelisrael.com comes down. And he lays off attacking people for a while. I also think he's being paid to go after people. So this just balances things out. If he attacks someone, I can give them a chance to be heard on equal terms with Loren. You're entitled to be disappointed Mo, that's okay, and keep expressing your opinion. - Dave Winer

Are all of you crazy? Seriously. Do you think I give a shit about www.1938media.net? Wow you guys are insane. - loren feldman

Okay, good then there's nothing to worry about! I really don't think you can help yourself Loren, my complaint is with the people who support you. I read somewhere that you're happy to make videos just for yourself. - Dave Winer

Nothing to worry about? WTF are you talking about? I don't give a rats ass what you do there, hell I'll promote it for you. Let me make this easy for you guys to understand. The puppet shows will never stop. Never. I don't care if I never get a sponsor again. I don't need one. - loren feldman

Fine. Go for it. Hope it makes you feel good. - Dave Winer

I aspire to be me. If I'm mean, funny, stupid, clever, whatever. That's what I aspire to be. Me. It's my goddamn site, I can do whatever I like. You are a hypocrite and full of shit Dave. The web is about freedom of speech, all of it. And to suggest that Shel being Jewish has something to do with this just proves what a fucking dope you are. I'm Jewish and you are a disgrace to Jews everywhere. - loren feldman

Is that a picture of Dave taking a dump? Looks like kind of a pussy to me. - Frank Roche

I love the block command in FriendFeed. - Dave Winer

What happened to your hilarious venture into puppeteering, Dave? http://tinyurl.com/5rsxxk - John Newsjunk

wow... we're entering third grade territory here... - David Parmet from twhirl

I'm honestly shocked, Dave. Loren's puppets are funny in a non-insulting way AKA *JOKE*! However, this is just sad. I hope it was worth the $6.95 from Godaddy. - Mark Frost from twhirl

Mark, as you say it's just $7, I spend more on that for a sandwich. I also bought 1938media.org, so I've actually got $14 invested in Loren's future. I don't like the puppets, but I understand totally that he has a right to do what he's doing. I also understand the idea of doing art for yourself. However, I want to support Shel, who is a real person, who despite what Loren feels, is being hurt. And I want people like Jason Calacanis and Mike Arrington to at least stop promoting this. Dan Farber too. - Dave Winer

Also, I didn't see anyone else standing up for Shel, and that really bothered me. I was doing it privately, until a friend of mine (who can speak for himself, and I hope he does) called me on it. I gave it some thought and decided that I should say something. I have First Amendment rights as well, people seem to overlook that. And people say it's dangerous to push back. I don't buy into that either. Loren isn't that talented or powerful, sorry to say Loren. - Dave Winer

Satire that's based on abuse of people stops being funny to most people pretty quickly. And if my speaking up causes him to accelerate the abuse, which he's said it will, then that will shorten his 15 minutes of fame, or force him to get really creative, either result would be great. His humor gets old quick. Esp when you find out that real people are being hurt by it. Most people are basically good, and when they find this out, they do stop and think. - Dave Winer

I want a site that ridicules me too. humiliate me damn it. I'm important! http://1938media.net/ - Noah David Simon

that's soo gross... - Susan Beebe

DAve, I support u fully on this . Whats good for da Goose has to be good for the Gander to !! - Peter Dawson

I just don't get what you are accomplishing with this and by claiming you are defending Shel. Most people don't like Shel's obsessive hatred of Loren's puppet and the videos. He goes around and interviews web personalities and makes it a show rather than a boring interview, it's very unique. Also, I don't know were Loren's satire has turned to abuse and I've seen every puppet video he's done. His 15 minutes of fame is growing longer and longer as we sit here and discuss him, he'll be on CNET soon enough. - Mark Frost from twhirl

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