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The Secret Behind The Real-Time Web - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali
This is awesome!
- Christopher Chung
with a community like this - you just can't roll-it into f.b.. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
:O
- Josh Haley
Amazing, thanks for that!
- dkb
According to Ross, they used about 1030 individual pictures in the final version. Stop motion is a lot of work :)
- Bret Taylor
Sure, sure--give away all the secrets. (Are those Lego dudes union?)
- Kathy Fitch
very creative. wonder how long it took to do that stop-action?
- berchman
Ross's best work so far ! great job Ross
- goutham
Major props to Ross and Dan. FriendFeed lives on
- Shane
That's priceless. Great job, guys.
- John Craft
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
Great project!
- Anne Bouey
AWESOME!
- Kevin Fox
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That is so awesome
- Glenn Slaven
happy-making!
- Felicia Yue
I am more proud than ever for being a FriendFeeder :)
- Arvind
Wow!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Excellent!!
- Kol Tregaskes
That's great!
- Devon Govett
Cool! The friendfeed's manufactury
- Benedetto Vacca
неплохо, неплохо! Продолжение будет?
- atner
Lots of handshaking I see :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
hahaha very nice stop motion and music!
- Alex Huinchucleffy
BUMP
- Roberto Bonini
FULL OF WIN
- Jac Falcon
Everyone knows Someone so connect to Everyone to access Anyone. Network size is an irrelevant concept. Quality networks is an irrelevant concept. Dunbar's 150 Number is based on "stable social relationships". Social Networks are "unstable" social relationships. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
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The winner of the game is the one with all the names http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Thomas Power
You have always been consistent on this major point about online social communication; and I like your approach to explaining it here. However, is it that they are "unstable" (volatile, transient, short-term) or, initially, not as well-developed, mature and deep? Many online social relationships start life (depending on the technology, as we've discussed before) as one-way and (until cemented by traffic and time) shallow. Of course, this links to weak ties again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- John W Lewis
Thank you John and that's a great question. You can however in business and in social relationships have short term "depth" and long term "shallowness". This appears an oxymoron, a paradox even a fraud or a fake. Paul May my ghostwriter in Networking for Life May 2003 calls this LPMMLS or Last Person Met Most Loved Syndrome. It is however a fact (at least for me). The real issue is that...
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- Thomas Power
The best book everyone that explains this is The Six Pixels of Separation http://www.amazon.com/Six-Pix...
- Thomas Power
Thanks for this clarification, Thomas. The strength of these relationships seems to decay faster. As a technologist, my take is that technology is enabling us to implement a wider range of types of communication services; this allows us to build services that match a wider range of real purposes. Also, on the numbers issue, the consequences for personal communication behaviour remind me of Howard Rheingold's advice to treat the incoming messages as a flow to be sampled rather than a queue to be answered.
- John W Lewis
Yes very good John. Howard is of course right thus my praise of barak@my6sense.com in this thread http://www.ecademy.com/node.... You are also right of course decay happens faster because of the flow volume (LG is the master of human processing and I'm chasing him hard). We have 17m contacts on Ecademy it is impossible to keep up over 200,000 use the system each month...
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- Thomas Power
Yes but part of the key is proximity, the closer you are to the people you want to listen to and dialogue with the more timely and relevant your response is.
- Dave Food
Nice one Dave ... more please
- Thomas Power
part of the key is proximity - this is why Foursquare and Gowalla are worth so much money - be sure to listen why here http://www.cinchcast.com/louisgr... also read Mark here http://lifestreamblog.com/ and also here http://twittertim.es/thomasp...
- Thomas Power
Well, in general, when new technologies appear we tend to use them as replacements and better versions of older technologies. In many cases, only after we have designed a few systems using them, do we realise that there are new possibilities; some of the constraints of the older technologies no longer apply.
- John W Lewis
ok get it John. Thank you. Have you watched this yet? http://mashable.com/2010...
- Thomas Power
Very funny! I happen to think that the iPad has a good chance of establishing devices with touch interfaces as the next generation of personal computers or, at least, the next generation of user interaction (which is almost the same thing). Actually, Thomas, you replied while I was trying to write something more specific, as I guessed you were fishing for that; so I've tried to...
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- John W Lewis
aha the wisdom of the old and wise. I agree with him. That's a good post John. I hope others here have time to ponder. By 2020 I reckon these tools will be accelerating to hyperspeed I am most impressed with http://www.my6sense.com because math is doing the brain work for me. It's a start certainly not a revolution. Talk to barak@my6sense.com. Did you ever meet Hopper?
- Thomas Power
Actually, Thomas, you agree with "her"! Surprising perhaps; and, no, I was not fortunate enough to have met her. Another woman involved in the early days of computer programming was Ada Lovelace; there is a language "Ada" named after her. You might be interested in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... and http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki... and http://gracehopper.org . Yes,...
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- John W Lewis
Aha Ada Lovelace I work next door to her building, at least a building she worked in. Also see Alterian SM2 we represent them in the UK http://www.ecademy.com/module...
- Thomas Power
Networks are not size sensitive. I can no longer invite anyone to use Facebook, Linkedin, Twitter, Xing, Friendfeed (and I love them all) and I have 11.8m email addresses built up through 12 years of building Ecademy. Why do executives make judgments about (network) subjects they do not understand yet?
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The executives are afraid of losing control. And they don't understand that you cannot control an open mind.
- Jan Mulder
Thank you Jan and my likers Louis, Alex, Mike. Everyone is so obsessed with control (I'm not) and there is no such thing with networks. Networks cannot be controlled, cannot be managed. They can be led ever so gently but size restrictions are pointless. To me this illustrates that these network leaders don't truly understand what they have or the responsibility placed in their hands. Be careful, please. TPx
- Thomas Power
Networks are a medium: we swim in them, we bath in them. The fish doesn't see or control the ocean.
- Cliff Gerrish
hear hear Cliff great metaphor. Networks are water and thus should flow as we do within.
- Thomas Power
The bottom line is this - any system or service in the networking arena must be as powerful as its most empowered users ... otherwise they miss their true target market and fade into obscurity, servicing the also-rans and networker runners-up.
- King Hartuc
The metaphor belongs to Marshall McLuhan.
- Cliff Gerrish
hear hear King and Cliff thank you for linking to the (MM) best. I am not the world's best networker but I probably have one of the world's largest verified email dbase and I want to see all networks integrated and united as one. Right now we are engaged in a winner takes all game and human users hate that. They are don't care if Facebook, Twitter, Linkedin win the name collection game,...
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- Thomas Power
love to create our own network!! With no limits... and an objective of open networking...no constraints
- Ivan Kaye
Ivan there are already no limits on Ecademy for any members, some like it large, some like it small
- Thomas Power
How often do reams of apparently logical explanation make no sense and simply breed argument? Yet how often does a one-liner capture the essence, often as a "throw away" line and without argument? One is analytic ("left-brained") and the other synthetic ("right-brained") Yet we persist in trying to describe "how" and "what" before exposing "why"! Thomas, your (almost) throw away line catches it exactly: "Just like real life offline". [There, I have done it too!]
- John W Lewis
"If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people to collect wood and don't assign them tasks and work, but rather, teach them to long for the endless immensity of the sea.” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
- John W Lewis
thank you for your support everyone, we must allow these networks slow and gentle emergence not management opinions they are almost certainly wrong. None of us can possibly know what they will become. They need capital, talent and commitment. That is their food.
- Thomas Power
One thing I think, and I just had a discussion about this, at some point the network is not really useful to us after about tier 3. Let's say, for instance, Thomas Power and I are connected, and we are, on Ecademy, What if he knows someone I don't know but have heard of and am not connected to. What if that person then knows someone I would really like to be connected to, how far do we...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl good point but this is not about managing data, your time or your contacts or your introductions. As your network mushrooms in size you cannot manage the data it is truly impossible I am testament to that. What does matter is exposure across all the networks, regular blogging, posting, commenting and to see what flows. Magic happens. The more connected you are the more attractive...
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- Thomas Power
INSHA ALLAH i deeply appricate but would like to share your applied knowledge since there exists no short cut to experience my dear Thomas Power,warm regards with thanks for what you shared with love and attention
- NawabIkramullah khan
Hear hear and thank you Nawa xx
- Thomas Power
Understanding the subliminal messages built into popular films gives a clue, the best one to my mind is the matrix
- Glen Tucker
Roger Federer best point in tennis history. US Open Semi final 2009 HQ - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Wow, I'm back after being suspended. But down from 1,050,000 followers or so to 139K! Serious oddness at twitter.
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I follow you on friendfeed anyway - who cares about twitter?
- Chris Heath
+9999999999999 Chris
- Brad Williamson
Fuck Twitter, get on @FriendFeed
- LANjackal
It was odd to check on your account & @Brady and find you were suspended. I wonder what the trigger was.
- Liz
Looks to me like all your Twitter followers are back now.
- Dennis Jernberg
Anyone's twitter follower count is subject to live by the sword, die by the sword, no?
- Micah
I'm on live audio with Paul Chaney in a couple of minutes at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/CommonC... join here:
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I'll watch this during the show if you want to ask questions.
- Robert Scoble
we're talking about FriendFeed/Facebook and building43.
- Robert Scoble
Tuning in
- Chris Saad
I'd like to see Friendfeed integrated into Facebook pages. This would be the start of making it easier to separate your Personal and Public feed in Facebook.
- Phil Ashman
I agree. Smaller groups are essential to maintain a level of sanity with the conversation. For instance I find one's voice gets lost when commenting on blogs with 150+ comments. It's nice to have a more intimate experience.
- Phil Ashman
Dealing with social applications today requires that you constantly adapt your workflow as social networks enhance their feature sets. What works one month is probably going to change by the next.
- Phil Ashman
enjoying the conversation.
- michael sean wright
Was great to listen
- Johni Fisher
Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
FF is a conversation management system around content (CMSAC). That's heading in the right direction please add your thoughts so I can think about it some more.
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I don't get it....
- Tony Hine
it took me 2 years Tony - Fwd: There is no doubt Friendfeed is the most advanced app on the Internet right now. It has interestingly taken me 2 years to program it to do what I want it to do and I haven't finished. How many will have the patience? Social sites will become FFesque (ffesque). I take my hat off to the team of coders you guys are shit hot ... more please. (via...
- Thomas Power
So does that make Twitter a conversation mismanagement system around nothing (CMMSAN)? :)
- John E. Bredehoft
yes perhaps it does, twitter is a conversation search engine (CSE) and I think that's very different to a conversation management system like FF. Twitter will be part of the Google sprawl anytime soon. Facebook is a friend management system (FMS) which is why it ultimately must end up inside MS.
- Thomas Power
Technically, the "around content" part strongly implies that Disqus and Intense Debate are also CMSACs. Yet there's a distinction between Disqus/Intense Debate and FriendFeed. I don't know if it's accurate to say that FriendFeed handles multiple types of content whereas the others only handle one type of content, because theoretically I can go directly to the Disqus site and start a...
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- John E. Bredehoft
crumbs John you are clearly thinking in depth here Disqus and Intense Debate have never really pulled my chain. What do you think they do that FF doesn't do? The one element that's common everywhere is "conversation management" perhaps that is the next challenge across multiple networks. I also see "like management" and forthcoming "dislike management" as another management challenge across multiple networks. To me Linkedin Facebook Xing have become irrelevant other than for people search.
- Thomas Power
FriendFeed does seem to be among the most conversation-oriented services around until, of course, the Wave breaks. It also seems to have some powerful (but curiously difficult to interact with) facilities for aggregation of input feeds and segmentation of output feeds. However, it is not clear how it will be able to scale up. Currently, as conversations become even moderately popular...
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- John W Lewis
well written and thought through John what did you mean by this "Twitter's introduction of asymmetry"?
- Thomas Power
Thanks, Thomas. Twitter's relationships are asymmetric; whereas (as far as I know) almost all other services offer only symmetric relationships. On Twitter, I can follow you without you following me; whereas on LinkedIn, Facebook and (you guessed it!) Ecademy, contacts/friends if I am connected to you then you are connected to me. This is why on those services the size of one's network...
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- John W Lewis
By the way, my guess is that the FriendFeed people initially saw the posting of items on feeds as being the main mechanism for interaction, not unlike Twitter. If so, this conversational behaviour (using comments) is a side-effect!
- John W Lewis
Once again John I agree with you. Could you answer that question?
- Thomas Power
Thomas: Sorry, do you mean your earlier question about asymmetry, which I tried to answer earlier, but perhaps not sufficiently clearly; or do you mean something about FriendFeed's conversations in comments?
- John W Lewis
yes I do John, have another go please and remember I ain't as smart as you so please keep it simple
- Thomas Power
The Twitter relationship model of "following" others is asymmetric (in the sense that I described earlier); as I understand it, Twitter introduced (into the social networking domain) this kind of relationship which differs from the symmetric relationships (also described earlier) of other services. The ramifications of this, in my opinion, are that, as many real-world relationships are...
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- John W Lewis
Thank you John would I be right in thinking you mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Thomas Power
Yes and no, I think! The relationships that we have with different people/organisations/brands do have different strengths and that is important. But this is about the strength of the same relationship in each direction. The sense in which these relationships (between, say, two people) is asymmetric is that the strength (of the "tie") is different in one direction from its strength in...
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- John W Lewis
John you are an extremely clever man
- Thomas Power
I don't know about that! I think that many people intuitively know a thing or two about asymmetric relationship. However, as Gerald Ratner discovered, you have to be careful how you describe them in polite company!
- John W Lewis
I would add: "A real-time, interactive CMSAC, with an inbuilt intelligent spider/crawler." Real time is self-explanatory. Interactive means participative, a simple CMSAC can be built using just an email inbox. The FOAF element of FriendFeed enables automatic discovery, unlike Twitter, which now doesn't show you @replies to those you don't follow. The intelligent spider adds the enriching discovery element via FOAF.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
thank you for that Mahendra this turned out to be a useful piece on a Saturday how extraordinary
- Thomas Power
Seem to be doing a lot of writing at the moment on Home Working - I guess more people are turning to this great life
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Tech execs: how to reach “normal” users with PR and with TechCrunch/GigaOm et al - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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The PR advice in the New York Times I read really is horrid.
- Robert Scoble
It's amazing how bad most tech companies do when it comes to PR. By the way, I laid out the best advice I ever gave on this topic back in 2003: http://scoble.weblogs.com/2003... what did I say there? Talk to the grassroots first. That is why I use Twitter and FriendFeed. That's where the grassroots are.
- Robert Scoble
I deal with this every day when I talk to NY firms. It's frustrating that they think they only way to get through to people is either cute videos or TV ads. Why don't we just ASK our customers what they want?
- Tyler Hurst
Great write-up. Surprised that you mentioned Techcrunch over Mashable. In fact, you didn't mention Mashable at all..! Any particular reasons for that?
- K N Ajit Narayan
KN Mashable isn't nearly as influential as Techcrunch is, most of my friends don't mention it. Mashable is switching to a Twitter news network, too, which makes them influential on Twitter, but not overall. Mike really has owned the tech news space and continues to do so.
- Robert Scoble
K N: also, note, I was riffing off of the New York Times article that mentioned TechCrunch and not Mashable. There's a reason for that.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, also keep in mind that most of your friends are in Silicon Valley. Mashable is very talked about on the East Coast. I think it's definitely worth considering, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: exactly. Notice that Brooke Hammerling lives in New York. Even SHE doesn't talk about Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, good point - regardless, people always end up looking to Silicon Valley for their news.
- Jesse Stay
Isn't this more general than PR? The main point, as I got it, was about cynicism. Isn't any communication of opinion, whether cynical or not, contributing to the multi-faceted picture that people get of ... well, anything that we want to hear about?
- John W Lewis
Jesse: I thought Pete Cashmore even moved to SF to cover Silly Valley more.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree that TechCrunch is more influential but Mashable has been coming on strong. Look at this comparison on Compete.com http://siteanalytics.compete.com/mashabl...
- Mike Doeff
John: yes.
- Robert Scoble
BTW Robert, welcome to the UK! Hope to see you tomorrow.
- John W Lewis
Mike: traffic does NOT equal influence. I can have more influence than you have by having just one reader. Think about it. If Obama read me and you had 1000 "normal" readers, who has more influence?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, is he in Silicon Valley now? Interesting. Sounds like he needs to be networking more then.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: I've watched both work. Mike digs for news more and is more tied into the VC infrastructure here, which gets him more news.
- Robert Scoble
I know when I tried to talk to him I was practically ignored, even though it was about a common client. Not that it would have had any effect on influence. I've just had a better impression of Arrington, personally.
- Jesse Stay
Robert, I agree that TC still has more influence but still, Arrington can't be happy about that trend line on Compete.com.
- Mike Doeff
Mike: Mashable is outplaying Techcrunch on Twitter and Mashable is better at writing articles that get Google page rank, like reviews of lots of products. That doesn't equal news influence, but does get traffic. I also think Arrington also made a huge mistake deleting his FriendFeed account (FriendFeed is a top three traffic driver for me already).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, why did Arrington delete his FriendFeed account? You are right about Mashable. On Twitter, one gets the impression that Mashable is more popular than Techcrunch. But that may not hold true elsewhere.
- K N Ajit Narayan
K N: He got mad at the "mob" that formed here after his fight with Leo Laporte and deleted his account. Repeat after me, popularity does NOT equal influence.
- Robert Scoble
Arrington like like a nice guy. Yes, popularity does NOT equal influence. LoL
- K N Ajit Narayan
The chance that an individual will be sufficiently interested in something to pass it on and, thereby, create a mob effect depends on many factors (and, surely, these have been well studied?). Presumably, something must be significant, remarkable (literally), relevant, and so on. The source of the thing has an effect, I guess, in terms of credibility, reach, etc.. And for the original...
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- John W Lewis
Yeah, I always used to tell people they could get more great PR by going to parties at conferences (or better yet, throwing them) than they could get with a big expensive PR firm. When I was a big fancy magazine editor I would habitually filter out any incoming messages from big PR firms, since they were usually content-free at best, and BS-laden at worst. People who I met at parties had way better stories, rumors, and other intell for me than PR flacks!
- Fred Davis
I used to work for a technology consulting firm. Many new client relationships originated from conversations with people in neighbouring seats on flights. We often suggested dropping the advertising and giving everyone a free trip once a month!
- John W Lewis
John & Fred - yes and more yes. Talking to people is remarkably effective. Who knew?
- Tyler Hurst
well I commented here http://scobleizer.com/2009...
- Darren Stuart
The NY Times story was terribly unflattering. I can't blame Ms. Miller - some of the voices quoted were the antithesis of what I've aspired to be. If that's what she's experienced, we as a profession need to take a serious step back and re-evaluate our purpose. I was so peeved I spent my 4th trying to craft a reasonable response. (http://bit.ly/113wnu). So much for BBQs.
- AllisonWagda
Hacks continue to paint flacks as they are. But that these flacks represent what is going on in the industry and the sea change afoot couldn't be farther from the truth.
- andy
Robert - really didn't like how you generalized PR people in your article. Further, the reality is there are very few people in Silicon Valley at all who actually know anything about taking products to the real mainstream. Very, very few.
- Jeremy Toeman
Outcast was the sole voice of reason quoted in that story.
- AllisonWagda
Damn right.
- andy
That article was PR for Brew and looks like it worked. It wasn't about PR.
- Shahin Khan
Classic NY article on the goings-on in CA, completely missing the boat. Btw did anyone notice that most of the NYT Sunday was about California? Happy coincidence or something else?
- anna sauce
Great article, Robert.
- anna sauce
You are right but it was Brew's agenda. No different than other pieces that cover a topic but sell a product. And who's to say that wasn't part of the strategy? (To be that bad.) That's giving too much credit probably. Of course it should have been a tweet and save me a bunch of time (and still annoy me!)
- Shahin Khan
I read that NYT article along with the Arrington's article, my jaws dropped at first, but I do get some of the pt. not 2 original post link: http://ff.im/4SVFw... I forgot to note, sounds so tongue and cheeky, doesn't it?
- polou/indigo_bow
There's an issue that's not covered here, in Arrington's piece or the original NYTimes story, namely that just as PR firms have to change the way they work, tech companies have to adjust their expectations as well. A lot of companies are stuck in the mindset of the "Big Bang" launch, where you put out your news and suddenly you get tons of attention all at once. That's just not how the...
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- The original Kevin
When we visited the Nimitz a former jet pilot named "Lex" came with us. Here's his blog post of the event. - http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009...
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http://www.neptunuslex.com/2009... is where he talks about his impressions of being on board the ship again.
- Robert Scoble
"(Scoble) carried with him aboard ship the Largest. Zoom lens. Evar." !
- michael sean wright
Heheh, it wasn't a zoom, but who's counting? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
: )
- michael sean wright
Toys for big boys...nice picture though!
- John Apps
John: Lex said that his job of flying F-18's was having the government pay for a pile of cocaine every day. He said adjusting to regular life is pretty tough for many pilots because no job quite compares to that one.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, who thought of bringing bloggers to the Nimitz? It would be great to get the background story to this visit.
- τorƍue
Yeah, I just saw Guys Blog story today! WOW! Lovely to see all of our Tax Dollar$ so hard at work! Free Group Flights for "Bloggers", Overnight cabins, Plush Monogrammed Robes, big dinner buffets, playing around with big guns like they were toys! Opps, all this *fun* on our US Nuclear War Ship? I didn't realized the Navy Nimitz is competing with Disney Cruise Lines now!
- Kay Designer
Kay: the Navy does lots of "embarks." They can't do public tours, so use VIPs, press, bloggers, social media geeks, etc as proxys for you. I think it's a good thing to have citizens on board to witness what's going on with our tax dollars. But maybe that's just me and I am biased, having been the recipient now of such a trip. I know I have a lot more respect for what our 19 year olds are doing than I did before.
- Robert Scoble
My father served his country for 5 years aboard an aircraft carrier, as a Navy Officer. Yet none of the Navy families I know of, were treated to such, flown in and wined and dined, as you all were in this youth oriented blogger "marketing" campaign. We were always taught to respect the military vessels as a machine posed for war, not a playland. I think your trip at taxpayer expense and...
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- Kay Designer
Kay: you make some valid points, I too found the posing with guns images tasteless. But this was a PR exercise and as long as the invited guests do a good positive job of writing it up it's a pretty cheap one at that. I'm not sure the British Navy, or any other navy for that matter, does anything similar.
- Gilbert Harding
Kay: Navy Families get to go on "Tiger expresses" where they ride the boat to Hawaii. There are also friends and family trips where families get onto the boats for a day or two. In fact a lot of crew talked about their friends and family day where there were about 9,000 people on board, about double the normal population on board. So you are wrong there, too.
- Robert Scoble
Not to mention that for the Navy this really generates PR, which generates recruiting opportunities. Do you mind that the Navy spends millions of dollars on advertising on TV and other places? I don't. They need to convince young people to sign up to keep these ships running. I'm sure the expense for bringing a few journalists/bloggers etc on board is coming out of one of those budgets.
- Robert Scoble
If you want to see what happens when the young people come back from Iraq? Take a local trip down to your local VA hospital. Here near Fort Knox, KY the VA hospitals are full of exhausted soldiers, with missing limbs. For this marketing campaign, you and the other bloggers, wish to sell your trip aboard the Good Ship Lollypop, in order to tap into and RECRUIT the young bloggers of 18-25...
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- Kay Designer
And in regards in how the military spends and spends, this is a debt load that is going on the shoulders of the next generation. If you had paid for your trip out to sea from a commercial entity- fine-all the power to you. But seeing this is a .MIL organization we are talking about- which is funded by the taxpayer- why should I pay for you to do make this EXPENSIVE joy ride trip? Was...
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- Kay Designer
Carroll: yeah, and we were invited by the Navy, I didn't pitch them to go. As to playing with the guns being tasteless? Um, excuse me? We were standing next to weapons platforms (F-18s and others) that could kill many more people than a simple gun. Interesting what people key in on.
- Robert Scoble
If you were invited somewhere - that doesn't mean you were forced to go there - does it? You did have a choice, didn't you? Interesting you used the word "recruit". Recruited is right! Now YOU are suppose to go out and Blog about it, and recruit in return. I heard an interesting talk a few months ago, by Lt General Robert G. Gard Jr. (USA, Ret.): Spend More Wisely on National Security...
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- Kay Designer
The reason why I am very passionate about this subject is my project in Dubai was cancelled in Feb and my only project option left is Saudi Arabia. This is where savages take it out their hatred of the USA military on working consultants there. So this isn't all intellectual blog banter we are talking about - this kind of military aggression in the MiddleEast affects my working life in...
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- Kay Designer
On a lighter note- some of you Nimitz trip-taking, math geeks might get a kick out of this one, sent over to me by a friend I have in Dubai. It really made me crack up reading it four times, since - well never mind - too hard to explain. All I can say is, Newton would be proud. Visualizing Scale of the Energy We Use: http://bit.ly/uZnmw
- Kay Designer
Now add that to 20 more Bloggers on board each Nimitz and how much more energy did you use? lol
- Kay Designer
How are Twitter/Facebook/friendfeed/blogs changing how you learn? I'm speaking on that topic tomorrow: (PDF) http://innovationsinelearning.gmu.edu/2009Pre...
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I'd love to know if you have any stories I should pass along.
- Robert Scoble
I will definitely be showing off friendfeed, because I learn something from it every day.
- Robert Scoble
Expanding what I see, and then I can dig deeper. The socials give you new and different outlooks, viewpoints, etc. This does not happen with TV, newspapers, or friends.
- Eric
Oh, and cats. Lots of pictures of cats.
- Eric
Learning is much more targeted and still organic. Like a good flower patch, you can pick and chose unlike traditional media. The real time web is awesome. News come faster and you can ignore the mundane conversations. It's democratically global at your finger tips. It has HUGE room for improvement.
- Yann Ropars
Do you think that people will eventually use friendfeed as something more than just an aggregator? Or is this the space that Google Wave is aiming for (in which case it will render ff useless)?
- Nate
adding Wikipedia on that and yes that changed everything I have ever learned and will ever learn in the future in a big way!
- Alex M.
Robert is there an agreed hashtag for the "5th Annual Innovations in eLearning Symposium" conference? Would love to tune in. These social networks are changing the way we learn - we're learning, sharing and collaborating in exciting new ways. We're learning faster and distributing this in near real-time - well, with FriendFeed you could argue it is in real time! I believe these tools are a paradigm shift in how we are communicating, and learning.
- Tony Hollingsworth
Tony: I don't know. They aren't very web savy. Took me a long time to even find the PDF of the conference, which is funny.
- Robert Scoble
Nate: I'm already using friendfeed as a non-aggregator. You gotta find the power in the groups here. I have to do a video on those.
- Robert Scoble
Tony: plus, I hate hashtags. Why do you need them? Friendfeed's search engine is so good you don't need them to find this post anymore.
- Robert Scoble
I use both services as a magazine surfing through a myriad of topics, sometimes digging deeper into one when I find one that interests me. Sometimes I am reading for specific topics, sometimes general knowledge, sometimes for no reason other than just for fun.
- Dave Ploch
robert, could you expand on that 'non-aggregator' terminology a bit? do you mean getting more out of it than just aggregating feeds? like the discssions etc?
- Chris Heath
yeah tony: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Chris Heath
Chris: yes. I have a private room where I just talk with a small group of people. VentureBeat and Wired Online use rooms to do their workflow.
- Robert Scoble
I meet friends I would never have met on the street.
- Randy Allen Bishop
ok, yeah - i though you meant that robert, but in the back of my mind i was thinking 'i use groups to aggregate...'
- Chris Heath
Randy: yeah, but what are you learning from them? How is your learning changing?
- Robert Scoble
here's where i tried to do a bit of teaching late last night when i should have been sleeping http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Chris Heath
via FF, et al I get news/info through a *human filter* - swineflu was a great example - hype has less effect unless it's legit - if we'd only just discovered that the Earth wasn't flat, there'd still be sites floating around saying it is - to add to this, we can now edit the record on the spot - adds value to the bandwidth in a new way
- thinfilms
Thanks guys - I'm a n00b at FriendFeed and keep reverting to Twitter and hashtags/Twitter Search to find threaded conversations and "virtual watercooler" stuff
- Tony Hollingsworth
I learn from people that I would never have the chance to learn from otherwise - I seek out social media heavies, because I want to learn about certain web 2.0 tools and I look for real estate tech heads so I can see and learn what they are up too. My job combines technology and real estate - so this gives me loads of material to share with my 600 + agents. My FF filters help me decipher and fine tune the information.
- Stefanie Hahn
Online social media tools significantly change the learning process, taking it from linear to intuitive and integrative - a multi-spoked wheel. Learn new things everyday from Twitter and blogs, much of which I did not intend but learning resulted as by-product.of exposure.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Im not sure if this is a thought but we talk about micro blogging I got to say that Im seeing micro learning. A lot of the interns I get know a good deal but they are missing the context and the ability to put the individual bits together. still it is a fantastic way to find information and interact.
- Terry Bruce
Btw, you commented on the savviness of educators and I'll share that Education does digital technology at a very grass-roots level and much of it bootstraped by teachers or others in the classroom. So a broad level of sophistication isn't there - it's in pockets.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Gee Scoble, ask and you shall receive. :)
- Lon Cohen
We learn a broader range of information relating to our interests, but the great thing is that we focus the learning through consensus, interaction, and reactions to validate the content.
- James Stratford
inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before thanks to the social networks. cross-disciplinary inquiries are more accessible, too, because of the range of folks participating, so results return with more relevance - learners should be able to customize the kind of information they're after to a fine degree. the flexibility of these tools allow me to learn in the...
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- thinfilms
My take on the classroom/lecture analogy/metaphor (whatever): Any given friendfeed discussion has the capacity to become a learning experience about almost anything. Those who participate are akin to those in class who raise their hand and question/challenge the teacher. There is no designated teacher here, so everyone who participates 'can' be a teacher (and probably is to someone)....
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- Chris Heath
For me, it's kind of like speed reading. You don't learn every detail but you do get a quick, somewhat comprehensive understanding of the topic. Took speed reading classes in summer school when I was a kid. Thanks mom :)
- padric toman
Robert, much of learning is about making meaningful connections through meaningful experiences and learning through apprenticeships. These tools provide the ability to experience thought leaders on any/many topics from anywhere and if you participate in the conversation you begin to build your own understanding. As the filters (search & social connections) allow you to fine tune that engagement it can become very effective.
- Lee
good point, Chris
- thinfilms
Robert, as a theory to back up your thoughts, check out the Social Learning Theory by Albert Bandura.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
'Study Groups' self-assemble here on friendfeed - once track is back then there will be no excuse for not finding the group you're looking for
- Chris Heath
The jury is still out on my appreciation of the social aspect, recently dropping in appears to increase my creative flow. The speed reading concept is also viable, imo.
- Carolyn Wood
i don't agree with the speed reading aspect. part of the solution for me is getting away from this partial learning and into something significantly more comprehensive. many of us think a 3-page article on a topic leads us to *understanding* it - surely there's a happy medium somewhere
- thinfilms
Would like to see more on harnessing the power of groups on FriendFeed and how businesses are using the platform with private workgroups
- Carol Lynn Martens
Twitter/FF - I agree with Chad. Well put. “inquiry-based learning is more gratifying than ever before.” The focus for me is on the social aspect of sharing data; both legacy and real time. I follow people with similar interests. People who have a passion for exploring new media paradigms, products, and services that shape the way through which we disseminate information. That social...
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- Benjamin Taylor
yeah chad, i'm with you on that... this format allows for a more in-depth interaction - i do get the speed reading part, but that's just so i can find the bits i want to get in-depth with (like this thread, for instance)
- Chris Heath
By the way, to answer the earlier question, the hashtag for the conference is #iel09
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
#ieL09 for clarity
- Chris Heath
Robert: I use FF to alert me of new blogs in areas of interest, I then use the blogs to help me find answers to the problems or design decisions they don't talk about in school or books. I think of blogs as one of the best ways to mentor the masses and FF as a way to find out about them. Its like having millions of agents looking for material I'm interested in.
- Jim Lavin
Look at what I made: http://friendfeed.com/law-blob Dozens of legal experts commenting in their fields on recent issues, and I'm adding more all the time. Easy to skim, easy to tag, and deeper than the sea. Just as one example... e-discovery is a fast moving area of the law, and by following less than a dozen blogs, my briefs blow the doors off my opponent's.
- Maxwell Kennerly
Thanks for the tip, Robert. This conference looks really interesting and I may try to attend.
- Sterling Zumbrunn
from BuddyFeed
Social Median has been great for taking many sources and shooting back the content from them that interests me on a particular subject, it is good tool for learning about topics relating to current events.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
We no longer need to retain "loose" knowledge - we just need to maintain loose networks of smart people. This is where FF and social learning kick in
- Gavin Heaton
Robert: Discovery = Learning -- FF/Twitter accelerate Discovery -- So FF/Twitter = Learning x Learning
- Paul Moss
Robert, also consider including excellent Q&A sites like stackoverflow in your talk
- Arvind
Robert you have likely seen this http://www.youtube.com/watch... How one teacher uses twitter in the classroom
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Peter: yes, but I'm glad you reminded me of that. Thanks!
- Robert Scoble
my interest in social networking is in "knowledge management", now everyone knows that you can not manage knowledge, you also can not "capture" knowledge, that is a fallacy, what you can do however is facilitate better information sharing and especially involve different groups in different means of problem solving, twitter, ff and others are very useful tools in aggregating /...
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- Paul Tudor
Just reading these comments is a great learning experience! I find the level of brainpower, imagination and creativity from the friendfeeders to be so exceptional. I have always been an info junkie and now I have these excellent creative info miners-from Twitter and FF giving me great new gems second by second. My problem is managing the time. I can lget caught up in the flow and hours go by in seeming minutes, as I share and connect the various dots in the matrices.
- Karma Martell
Oh Robert! You triggered a couple of interesting conversations over 10 hours ago and then, while I was sleeping, you started this one!! I am sure that I have not fully understood your question, but my comment(s) grew so fast that they outgrew this format, so I threw them into a hastily written blog post here: http://johnwlewis.wordpress.com/2009...
- John W Lewis
I am late to the conversation and this has proab been said, but using social media I have access to thought leaders and innovators. I have had ff conversation with you in the past and I would never have that opportunity 10 years ago (well maybe blogs).
- Jeff
Robert: this just came past http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jessica... (Embracing the Twitter Classroom) some intersting stuff here.
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
On the off chance that you may possibly mention FriendFeed :) I'll share one of the FriendFeed saved searches that I use to keep up with job information http://friendfeed.com/search...
- John E. Bredehoft
Is Momblogging The New Radio? - http://www.avc.com/a_vc...
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why does the term MILF come to mind?
- NoahDavidSimon
Google Wave Developer Preview at Google I/O 2009 - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Open, Random and Supportive - are you the right type of networker for 21st century business? - #ecademy http://www.ecademy.com/node...
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How generations change: my son, tonight, after seeing something new from Google told the team "I'm not like my dad, I don't have a web site."
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This is from a 15-year-old who is very expert with world of warcraft, has a MySpace page, a Twitter account, a friendfeed account, is very active on Mac Rumors, etc.
- Robert Scoble
He is on more of the Internet than probably 9 out of 10 humans alive and he defines himself to a Google team by not owning a web site. Interesting.
- Robert Scoble
you should make one for him.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
Making websites is time consuming and, in my opinion, not necessary if you simply need a place to publish to the web, talk with friends and get yourself out there.
- Brandon Titus
Renting vs owning in real estate terms?
- Micah
Alfredo: the unspoken message is that his generation doesn't need a web site. They'll still be a major part of the Internet.
- Robert Scoble
Its the same with my younger relatives... They have a far more natural approach to the new media "So do you kids use the Internet regulary?" - "No..... Not that much?" - "So what do you do when you go online" - "facebook, youtube, myspace, for school, for work..." - "how often do you check facebook?" - "hmmm few times A day"
- Andreas Klinger
How many teenagers want to (admit to) be like their dad?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
It took me back to how I found my doctor. She's #1 on Yelp but yet had never been there. The world is changing and it no longer is only about having a website.
- Robert Scoble
Rob: there's some of that in what he was trying to say, yes. His generation wants to be "more with it" than the previous. But I think there's something deeper going on. The 2010 Web isn't about owning a web site anymore.
- Robert Scoble
He'll change his tune when someone with his name does something controversial and it's #1 on Google.
- Mark
Sounds like the teenager asked by Don Tapscott ("Wikinomics") about why she was not using email to communicate with friends. Reply: "Hmm ... email. That would be the sort of thing you'd use to send a thank you letter ... to your friend's ... parents!"
- John W Lewis
Mark: have you checked how fast friendfeed items are showing up on Google lately? I have. You don't need a blog or a web site to be on Google anymore.
- Robert Scoble
John: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
I think that domains will become mostly for business and the like while personal profiles will be controlled by social networks, profile sites (Google profiles) etc.
- Brandon Titus
@Robert maybe - or maybe it's about owning an identity you control which may indeed look like a website but function as an identity broker owned by the user
- Chris Saad
Some one still has to create the websites though. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Can I get out of making a website for my teenage son with these arguments?
- Anita Hunt
Chris: translation: own a Facebook profile. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
But does the _you_ own the Facebook profile?
- Micah
Your son has probably realized that most personal websites are never seen.
- Trine Curtis
I too agree that the new generations do not need a web site. What they need instead is a presence on this Interweb. This can be achieve in many other more effective means than a personal web site; in the traditional sense.
- Vinko
I have more ego than he. I'll be damned if I'm going to let Facebook own me and my profile. meh.
- Karoli
If you want to seed control of the social web to facebook then sure. Or maybe the next generation identity hub will be as distributed and open as a web-server
- Chris Saad
Micah makes a good point about renting vs owning. Also, some people just want communication, others will want permanence (that they own and control). I still suspect that as new generations age they will still want to create more of a legacy on their own domains.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Or does Facebook own it (in the possession is 9/10 of the law sense)
- Micah
It's the difference between having a web presences and a website... Just because I don't own my home doesn't mean I'm not a citizen.
- Johnny
Chris: his real identity is on MySpace. That's where his friends hang out and he's asked me not to link to his MySpace profile. Why not? Cause then all "my friends" will show up there. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's all about getting the most out of the web. If your own website doesn't do it but a Facebook profile does, then by all means don't do your own website. Marketing still isn't dead though - act on results.
- Jesse Stay
It was never about having a website. It never will be. It will always will be using the right tools to reach the right people. People that you care about and people that care about you.
- Akshay Dodeja
The new generation's presence on the web will be fluid. They will not have one place where they blog, post photos or share their thoughts. It will transform as the technology transform.
- Vinko
Akshay: exactly. That was his message to me. Plus there was a tinge of "that blogging thing is so dead." Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
MySpace, Facebook, these are all nice walled gardens like AOL before them - but eventually the rest of the web will become just as rich and inviting as the walled gardens - and not because Facebook Connect.
- Chris Saad
Facebook Connect is a great proof of concept, but the real solution will be based on open standards just like the web is based on TCP/IP and HTTP
- Chris Saad
Chris: Facebook will be forced to open up. Why? Because Google will show them the money is in search and to do search, even in the real time web, you need to open up.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, sounds like there's an opportunity to show him why it could be useful, if not now, perhaps in the future for him.
- Jesse Stay
We'll be ripe for a backlash in a few years, especially if services don't keep moving in the direction of data portability.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Robert: I have tried to many times to start a blog. Failed each and every time. Now I am trying different things and its working in some ways :)
- Akshay Dodeja
Actually it's friendfeed that's going to show them that, but Google will be recognized by most of the world and Google definitely is moving to make sure that they are a player in the real time web.
- Robert Scoble
No Facebook will open up because Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and others are working actively to dilute their lock on the social graph. It's in google's interest to continue to erode Facebooks monopoly so they can continue to index the social web
- Chris Saad
Chris: sorry, that's a side show. The real action is going to happen in search. Or, something associated with filtered display.
- Robert Scoble
The community has an opportunity to work with the 'loosers' and the startups to ensure that we don't crown a new king, but rather to push the web as the ultimate platform
- Chris Saad
Facebook only competes with Google on the private web. Until they offer indexed, public search they will never be able to compete side-by-side with Google. They only offer a subset of what Google provides right now.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: the REAL money is NOT on the social graph. I can see this so clearly. Very few can, though.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome to see this conversation in "real time"
- David Damore
@robert the real money is (imho) not in search but in knowing about the user - search is just yet the best way to know about him/her - facebook could deliever social enhanced adwords to the internet
- Andreas Klinger
I'm not arguing about that - but if Facebook was left unchecked then they could own the new social search and monetizing the user not the page. That's why Google will work hard to erode Facebook's monopoly to ensure they stay in the game
- Chris Saad
Andreas: that's what search looks like in the future.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: true, but Google is NOT going to leave Facebook unchecked. Facebook needs to move much faster than it is, actually.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert the real value is in the stream and being able to index it - which Google can't do with the Facebook feed
- Chris Saad
Users are not monetizeable, by the way. Intent and other "about to consume" gestures are. I want an icecream is monetizeable. Eating an ice cream is not.
- Robert Scoble
Eating chocolate icecream every wed IS
- Chris Saad
It means you like dairy, chocolate and sweets on wed
- Chris Saad
APML.org
- Chris Saad
@ Chris Saad: +1
- David Damore
@Robert "i know you could now want an ice cream" is worth even more imho
- Andreas Klinger
Chris: that's an "about to consume" gesture. Agreed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
The real value is in being able to index the *entire* web, and knowing each user that is searching that entire web. Facebook isn't anywhere near being able to do that.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas: or, if you are Gary Vaynerchuk you can make me want a merlot-flavored ice cream. That's worth the most. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: :)
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse: Facebook has an index that Google can't get to and it pisses off Google.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert Look forward to debating this with u in person tmr at 6pm
- Chris Saad
Isn't the idea of social profiles a search to figure out what a user wants next, now? Like how people visit car websites before buying an automobile?
- David Damore
Robert, Google has many indexes Facebook can't get to as well - Gmail, Orkut, Docs, Apps, many more...
- Jesse Stay
But wait, surely he does have a web site, a blog, etc.? They are his Facebook page!
- John W Lewis
@Jesse which is why Google, Yahoo, Microsoft etc are still in the game - the notion that 'Facebook has won' is just valley hype
- Chris Saad
With the kind of information that Google is tracking isn't Google in the best place to monetize our conversations?
- Vinko
There are 2 things we're talking about here - the "private web" and the "public web". Facebook has one. Google has both.
- Jesse Stay
No we're talking about the document web vs. the Social web :)
- Chris Saad
Chris, Google has both of those as well.
- Jesse Stay
@Jesse agreed - Google is still going very strong - and should/will buy FF and Twitter to strengthen their position
- Chris Saad
I dont like facebook, to me its a lot of social drama...
- sergio luna
Jesse: Google's Infos about the Socialgraphs are too fuzzy. Gmail is like my telephone calllist - not my telephone adressbook
- Andreas Klinger
Chris, or, just strengthen one of their existing products to compete. Google Chat stands out to me.
- Jesse Stay
Andreas you should see my Google Voice address book. It wouldn't take much to connect that all together.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas Google's graphs are super active. Noise for google = pointers to the signal - that's what they do best
- Chris Saad
Short question: am i the only one thinking that Social Widgets (Facebook Apps at external Sites) combined with an Advert System is an most interesting thing to come ?
- Andreas Klinger
@Jesse their best bet is Gmail and Address book integrated with FriendFeed
- Chris Saad
I don't like Facebook either. Now people I thought I'd left behind 20 years ago are finding me again. Yay. But more importantly, someone said ice cream.
- Trine Curtis
Jesse: Yet, in my network, Skype Chat is much more widely used than Google Chat.
- John W Lewis
Chris, agreed - there's a reason Facebook, Twitter, and FriendFeed all let you import your Gmail contacts. They want Google's private web.
- Jesse Stay
@Andreas No you're not - If Facebook owns the social graph/stream then they will try to own the widgets and ad units - that's why the rest of the web needs to provide a viable alternative so that there is no new monopoly.
- Chris Saad
I think that Google will strengthen it's social system by bringing in contact finding through the social graph from services like FriendFeed, Twitter, and maybe Facebook and clearing out the noise. Their contact manager or whatever will be strengthened once they have a real Google Chat, Google Voice, and Gmail working together.
- Brandon Titus
I love coming over to FriendFeed to always see an amazingly active thread going on in the Scobleverse!!
- Jason Pollock
in my network microsoft msn is the leader...neither skype or google chat are as strong
- sergio luna
John, I'm talking about strength of the social graph in each one. Skype doesn't hold a finger to Google's contacts.
- Jesse Stay
All of these platforms have their advantages - the point is they are all social services and should inter operate for the benefit of the user - and benefit the bottom line of the companies that make it happen
- Chris Saad
Sergio, agreed - Microsoft also has a very big potential to compete. I'd say they're more a threat to Google than Facebook right now in this area.
- Jesse Stay
(Meta-point: this conversation IS the live web in action, but how does it scale? What happens to the quality of conversation if the rate of commenting on this topic exceeds my reading speed?)
- John W Lewis
Then again, in the competition for people, once you're indexing every person with web access, you also have access to their lives, websites, and personal data. That's much more powerful than an anonymous index of every website on the planet. Facebook could have a chance.
- Jesse Stay
This conversation is a byproduct of the the live web - but it's not much more than an indexable chatroom. The status updates and feeds that generate this conversation are the real interesting part
- Chris Saad
@Jesse that's Facebook's play - and that's why Google and others are working to dilute the monopoly (a monopoly of mindshare at least) - that's why the community at large has an opportunity to support an open approach
- Chris Saad
During times of change, we have an opportunity to ensure the outcome is open - open means innovation can surge ahead at the nodes instead of being controlled by a central authority
- Chris Saad
Chris, at the same time indexing each individual rather than website could be more advantageous in the end. Google's not doing that quite as well as Facebook. That's not to say they won't, and they're definitely making progress at the moment. Google doesn't necessarily publish what they're tracking about you. Facebook does, via the live stream when you log in - which is more open per se?
- Jesse Stay
For an interesting look at the cross-section of marketing / customer behaviour (mostly off-line, but the web is part of the story) and obsession, check out this documentary on contesters ("professional" contest participants) - just saw it on a plane ride http://www.cbc.ca/doczone... [Interestingly, when I searched for this documentary, I found the guy who pitched the...
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- Micah
Jesse by this argument is google "publically tracking for you that you publish your webpage"
- Andreas Klinger
I'm checking out guys - nice chat :)
- Chris Saad
Jesse, its just different type of technology you use - Stream.put or Ftp.put
- Andreas Klinger
History will repeat! I started with email on CompuServe and did not communicate with others on other services, then discovered "internet mail". As with hardware, software, email and now social media, the architecture of vertical silos will gradually transform into horizontal layers ... from below! Only then does the "network effect" really start!
- John W Lewis
Andreas, do you know everything Google has tracked about you? What about all the Analytics tracking on each website you visit combined with data they've learned about you elsewhere? With Google, there's no way to opt-out without just killing your internet connection. At least with Facebook, it's opt-in. Google, IMO, has the potential to be much more evil than Facebook. That is, unless Facebook enters the open web arena.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, this tracking is not public on facebook neither
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse, true Google is big enough to pass the last frontier point of relationship to reality
- Andreas Klinger
Andreas, I know almost everything Facebook is tracking on me because they at least publish most of it via my stream. True, I don't know everything, but I know a lot. Not only that but they give me controls on what they can do with what they're tracking. I can't do that with Google.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the stream info is your active part not your passive part
- Andreas Klinger
Jesse anyway i think we are talking about the same :)
- Andreas Klinger
Ok gotta go for a slow-real-life Meeting - cya!
- Andreas Klinger
I really think its not about who will conquer what i.e. google, facebook, etc... I really believe all this players are the basics, like the old economic scheme, I think we are going to evolve and use all this sites & technology in a very diverse and sophisticated form, kind of like what the brand Starbucks is to the old industry of coffee. google, facebook etc. are the industrial plants of our new digital era.
- sergio luna
Andreas, agreed, but I can still opt in to Facebook. I can't opt-in or opt-out of Google completely. I'm just saying it's not all about "open" like Google would like you to think. That's just their Marketing play, and we're all falling for it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, 100% agree
- Andreas Klinger
Are we forgetting something? Facebook, Google, ... ARE websites. It is just about the level at which we engage. I do not need to build my own car to drive on the road; I can buy one, it is cheaper. But if I buy a Lamborghini or Porsche, I can still interact (inc. collide!) with you in your Mercedes! (For the public record, I drive an Audi.) Robert recently posted about geek disconnect, these guys are making the web consummable.
- John W Lewis
So we've finally found the one person in the world who doesn't want to friend you on FB!
- Rebecca Rachmany
Websites are so 1990s
- Stephen Pickering
Makes me feel better for not updating my website anymore - I'm not behind, I'm ahead :D
- Iphigenie
"I don't have a web site" indeed. My kids were not interested in learning how to create websites. "We have blogs on our cell phones." Well, then...
- Rick Cogley
your son's approach doesn't sound as absurd as it might seem at first. look at skittles, who dropped their website and transfered everything to twitter! and i was just thinking the other day about an ngo-website i'm involved in and why not moving it completely over to a facebook page.
- Johannan Edelman
Automating the Management of Amazon EC2 using Amazon CloudWatch, Auto Scaling and Elastic Load Balancing http://www.allthingsdistributed.com/2009... #AWS #EC2
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An idea worth spreading: Town replaces schoolbus with "piedibus" - a bus route w "driver" but no vehicle. Kids walk. http://www.nytimes.com/2009...
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Matthew demonstrates the proper I/O architecture for today's next-gen deployments.
Anang Nugroho, cybell01, mjc and 111 other people liked this
Don't you hate it when they decide to output through their input?
- Bryce Roney
Sarah is off to the side rolling her eyes at her brother. :)
- Yolanda
Bryce, I think that's a buffer overflow. :)
- mikepk
your twins have the best shirts!! ha ha
- Sarah Perez
everybody poops.
- Alfredo 亜瑠布れっど
I lol'd at that shirt, awesome :)
- Mo Kargas
Thinkgeek? I love thinkgeek!
- David Knight
The shirt, and MANY of their clothes are from a product manager at the office who was very generous. As for Sarah, she was rolling on the floor from the living room to our room and was 5 feet to the left, so Yolanda was mostly right.
- Louis Gray
Kristine has THE BEST taste in shirts.
- Mona Nomura
Remember - and I made a similar point on LinkedIn today - internal processes are important. If one's internal processes are not optimized, then the output will be deficient. Though I should also acknowledge the "garbage in, garbage out" theory that makes us pay attention to quality input.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
I just bought one of these for my nephew.
- Steven Perez
Best baby shirt ever
- Keith - @tsudo
brilliant
- Alihan ÇETİN
cool! :)
- Volkan Yılmaz
What about the productivity then :)
- Burcu Tüzün
LOL! Ontario :)
- Nicola Quinn
First copy/paste, now this...Louis, you HAVE TO find a way to produce and sell these :) The t-shirts are great, the models are far cute...
- Olcayto Cengiz
So cute!
- Neya
Geek in the making.
- Roberto Bonini
I've been calling our daughter 'Our Little FIFO Module'.
- Akiva
Right now my little one has a stomach bug so it is LIFO around here.
- Martha
We don’t get a chance to do that many things, and every one should be really excellent. Because this is our life.
Life is brief, and then you die, you know?
And we’ve all chosen to do this with our lives. So it better be damn good. It better be worth it.
Michelle Jones, John W Lewis, Steven Perez and 5 other people liked this
YES.
- Derrick
The future is yours to create, if you choose so. The moments to come are yours. Let no one steal them from you. Guard them with your life, because that is exactly what they are.
- Ian May
Ian, that rocks. Woo! :-)
- vijay
I have that on my personal blog http://wildcabbage.net
- Ian May
"We're going to the future. Do you want to come along?" Dave Freeman (1961-2008), co-author of "100 Things To Do Before You Die"
- John W Lewis
New site from David Allen - test your GTD IQ http://www.gtdiq.com/
Web20Critic, Rob Diana, Andy Sternberg and 9 other people liked this
I'll try this later. Guessing my score will be pretty low.
- Andrew Smith
Nice marketing trick, make the GTD disciples feel guilty enough that they have let their systems slip so that they will attend the GTD event in March.
- David Wilson
Hmmm... I'm a 4/4 "Captain And Commander / Autocrat" and I've never read any of his books or used any of his tools (and don't intend to).
- Tinfoil 2.0
"Your "perspective" score was 3 and your "control" score was 4. This means you have scored in the "Captain And Commander / Autocrat" quadrant. Your answers indicate that you have a healthy balance of perspective and control. You are "on your game"!"
- Tamar Weinberg
Yeah, it told me what I already know. :) Responder, much. it was the phrase "somewhere between a storm and a hurricane" that tipped me off.
- Karoli
4/4 Captain And Commander / Autocrat - I'm assuming that's good? It sounds powerful. :)
- matthew john ernisse
Oops: my rating is back in the Visionary/Crazy Maker quadrant. After >3 years of GTD, I am still not "doing" it well enough.
- John W Lewis
My fondest memory of David Allen was when I received his email newsletter which hadn't been regularly published for months - apologizing for his absence and explaining how he hadn't found time to get it done. True story. Since then I have looked elsewhere for time management advice.
- Wayne Schulz
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