"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats!
- Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks.
- Bret Taylor
This morning we changed the format of FriendFeed subscription email messages to include more information about people who subscribe to you. Please let us know if you see any problems, and keep an eye out for more email improvements in the future.
I'm all for improving the format of notifications, but wonder (aloud) if it is such a smart move to include the Approve/Reject link right at the top (unless it only appears in private feeds to which someone has requested access). Right now we have the option of blocking/ rejecting a subscriber at any time but presumably not at the very outset. This may lead to more of a walled gardens' mentality, already very prevalent at FF.
- ianf ⌘
ianf: approve/reject is only for private feeds. Public feeds just have a link to subscribe back :)
- Benjamin Golub
I noticed this one! Such informations about people who subscribe to me on FriendFeed are useful, and makes it easy to quickly get in the conversation. Thanks for the good job!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Gmail automatically showed me the images in a subscription email, even though I never told it to (you know how gmail has the 'display images below' option). further, it doesn't give me the option to hide the images. not that I'd want to, but how are you bypassing gmail's security feature to hide the images?
- chrisofspades
Chris, we don't do anything special. I'm not sure how gmail decides what images to show, you'd have to contact them or check the gmail help.
- Casey Muller
Casey, you sure FriendFeed's founders didn't use some of their "we created Gmail" mojo? ;)
- chrisofspades
Chris, the "show images" only applies to external images hosted on other sites. Gmail doesn't show those by default because doing so would allow people to "bug" email. We include the images with the email so that they can be displayed immediately.
- Paul Buchheit
Q: Why don't GUI metaphors include 'weight' or 'resistance'? Like a REPLY ALL button could be require a long-press (long click) because its inadvertent use can have significantly more severe consequences compared to the REPLY button.
In the 'puter screen world, every button is as easy to 'press' as another—why no dynamic range? (except for its surface area—a small button is more difficult to accidentally click at all, so that's employed today)
- Micah
There was a website I visited once that responded only to hovers. Concept UI. :) It was nice.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
from Android
Every time I end up working somewhere that sends out those ridiculous group emails, I always end up getting in trouble because I instinctively resist using the REPLY ALL button and forget to CC the boss on every email I send out.
- April
Chrome dev has a hold to quit... it's awful. If you hold just a little too long, other apps quit O_o
- Tinfoil 2.0
Logex, how does that work exactly? Click and hold anywhere in the viewport and Chrome app quits?
- Micah
Hold-command-Q to quit. But not too short and not too long.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Wait, Command-Q quits OS X apps in general. I must be missing something.
- Micah
A quick press of command-Q won't quit it, you have to hold it down, but not too long or Chrome will quit, then whatever other app is next in the queue will also quit.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Off the top of my head, I can think of several prevalent examples of resistance in UX design: snap to grid, slide to unlock, pull down to refresh in every river-of-news app ever. Also: tap and hold an icon to adjust the springboard in iOS.
- Mark Trapp
"At first glance, a diagram of the complex network of genes that regulate cellular metabolism might seem hopelessly complex, and efforts to control such a system futile. However, an MIT researcher has come up with a new computational model that can analyze any type of complex network -- biological, social or electronic -- and reveal the critical points that can be used to control the entire system."
- Sean McBride
from Bookmarklet
"Potential applications of this work, which appears as the cover story in the May 12 issue of Nature, include reprogramming adult cells and identifying new drug targets, says study author Jean-Jacques Slotine, an MIT professor of mechanical engineering and brain and cognitive sciences. Slotine and his co-authors applied their model to dozens of real-life networks, including cell-phone...
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- Sean McBride
This line of research could provide gigantic payoffs in every field of human activity.
- Sean McBride
Anybody found a free version? I'm wondering why I should pay $32 to Nature for research presumably funded by the public.
- Private Sanjeev
@Sean,ok nows the time to use this model to see if Americareally killed OBL and find the critical patht to see if US is trying to use an influcence system on the world :)-
- Peter Dawson
"If we wish to control a system, we first need to identify the set of nodes that, if driven by different signals, can offer full control over the network. We will call these ‘driver nodes’. We are particularly interested in identifying the minimum number of driver nodes, denoted by ND, whose control is sufficient to fully control the system’s dynamics." Social scientists, political...
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- Sean McBride
"In contrast, for the World Wide Web or citation networks controllability has no known role, making it difficult even to guess nD. Finally, it might be argued that social networks, given their perceived neutrality (or even resistance) to control, should have a high nD, as it is necessary to control most individuals separately to control the whole system. We used the mapping into maximum...
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- Sean McBride
"Taking these results together, we find that the denser a network is, the fewer driver nodes are needed to control it, and that small changes in the average degree induce orders-of-magnitude variations in nD. Furthermore, the larger are the differences between node degrees, the more driver nodes are needed to control the system. Overall, networks that are sparse and heterogeneous, which...
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- Sean McBride
By "some social networks", I think they are referring to the intra-company networks, where if you control a small number of executives you control the entire company.
- Private Sanjeev
The same principles and patterns might be operative some of the time at higher levels of social organization -- particularly at the level of nations.
- Sean McBride
"The Durango & Silverton Narrow Gauge Railroad travels 45 miles each way along the Animas River from Durango to Silverton, an old mining town high in the San Juan Mountains. The Animas River is one of the last free-flowing rivers in the western United States and cuts through some of Colorado's most striking canyon scenery. The train crosses the river five times on its journey. Closer to Silverton, you can see the rocks along the sides of the river are discolored yellow and orange. This is from contaminants of the mining operations there."
- Eivind
from Bookmarklet
I went there by accident once. >_> It was absolutely breathtaking. The Colorado Rockies are a natural wonder. The Durango area is quite lovely.
- Jenny R
from Android
Looks amazing. I've been up in the Colorado Rockies, but sadly I didn't have the same accident you did :/
- Eivind
Which part of the Rockies? Were you just traveling along the front or through them?
- Jenny R
from Android
"What will cars look like 10 years from now? Here’s one award-winning vision of the future from Serbian designer Marko Lukovic, showing a three-wheeled electric car that’s packed with futuristic technology."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
"This cool double patio lounger by innovative young designer Victor M. Aleman has certainly thrown us for a loop! The Loopita Bonita lounger is inspired by the rollercoaster, with its daring, dramatic curves that are just as exciting in chair form. The up-and-over shape is a sculptural masterpiece, (And like its muse, don’t be surprised to find a line-up of folks eager to take it for a spin!) This double seat is the perfect place for two, whether sunning, reading, chatting or napping, face to face. The Loopita Bonita lounger makes a striking addition poolside or on your patio, or place it indoors and shake up your style."
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
Need! Reposting -- my birthday is coming up....
- Fossil Huntress
It has _some_ function, but it sure looks like a Pain In The Ass. Adjustable? Easy to store when not being used? Easy to move? Easy to clean? To me it looks like the designer wanted to make something more novel instead of something more useful.
- Brian Johns
"The quadrocopters shown in the video are being tested at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology’s Flying Machine Arena in Zurich. The little machines are increasingly commonly used by military and police forces as surveillance drones, generally remotely controlled (the ones in the video are entirely autonomous – true robots.)."
- Ken Morley
from Bookmarklet
These little guys are pretty cool and now only $22 at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Syma-S1... They've got quite a lot of lift. If you could find a small enough camera...
- Ken Morley
I've tried a few of the cheaper remote helicopters... they were cool for a few minutes, but mostly they're a gateway drug to nicer remote helicopters. So far I've held off.
- SAM
Yes, but did you attach a camera to one? :)
- Ken Morley
This is what I was educated to make. Why the fuck is this not what I'm working on?!
- Eivind
When I was in school, robots were made of wood... and we didn't call them robots, we called them marionettes. :P
- Ken Morley
LOL. So much easier back then. And in sci-fi nobody was pulling the strings? ;)
- Eivind
I didn't Ken... the ones in that price range barely stay airborn themselves... any wireless cam and they are grounded.
- SAM
A lesson on how a combined effort of government and private investment into architecture and education can turn a hellhole into a flourishing metropolis: http://medellin2018.blogspot.com/2010...
We all know how Medellin was during the high time of Pablo Escobar, but this article showcases that that particular piece of history is well-buried in the past and that it has been replaced by something truly inspiring.
- Rene, Pro Button Pusher
You always see the terms inept and disgruntled, but we rarely use ept and gruntled. Perhaps I should make a tshirt that says "Ept and Gruntled". What kind of graphic would be appropriate for that? I'm thinking an alpaca.
A shirt with "Ept and Gruntled" and an alpaca on it would be awesome. Sign me up for five.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Wouldn't it just? Because alpacas always look like they're smiling and perhaps plotting some mischief, and if that's not the definition of "ept and gruntled" I don't know what is!
- FFing Enigma
Well, we are cool like that Chris. And in other news: I think I found just the alpaca for this shirt.
- FFing Enigma
isn't the opposite term to inept "adept"? so, inept is useless, adept is good at it.. would ept be "average at it"?
- alphaxion
Good point. Then again, I do find myself to be rather average in most things so I think the shirt would still work. Actually, the meaning 'average and happy' is perhaps appropriate.
- FFing Enigma
Face it, The English Language is just bizzare
- Brent - Yes I am
I love the Online Etymology Dictionary. Oddly enough, 'dis-' in 'disgruntled' isn't the usual negation, but provides emphasis. http://www.etymonline.com/index... So 'disgruntled' is even more gruntled than 'gruntled'. 'Inept' is derived from Latin 'ineptus' which can be parsed as 'in-' + 'aptus', so the opposite of 'inept' would be 'apt'. http://www.etymonline.com/index...
- Victor Ganata
A Very Descript Man (attributed to a J. H. Parker) I am such a dolent man, I eptly work each day; My acts are all becilic, I've just ane things to say. My nerves are strung, my hair is kempt, I'm gusting and I'm span: I look with dain on everyone And am a pudent man. I travel cognito and make A delible impression: I overcome a slight chalance, With gruntled self-possesion. My, dignation...
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- Micah
Can't help thinking about this exchange on The Office when I see "gruntled":Michael: No need for consternation. Everything is under control. Jan: Michael, last Friday one of your employees attacked another employee in your office! Michael: It was a crime of passion, Jan. Not a disgruntled employee. Everyone here is extremely gruntled.
- Cheryl Jones
Sometimes when I have too much to eat, I gruntle a little.
- Rick Cogley
This thread is making me want to gurgitate.
- Reed Porter
Really? I find it makes me rather combulated.
- FFing Enigma
Whoa, a lot more good ones in here! Added the ones we didn't have yet into my thread (including your original "ept") - http://friendfeed.com/faithx5...
- Jandy
I think the words "ept" and "gruntled" would be well-represented by the image of a goat. A goat is ept, rarely putting a foot wrong on the sheerest of rock faces, and seems particularly gruntled while its life lacks surprises and predatory threats.
- Slippy
Except in Hard Candy, she freaked me out in that....I need to see Whip It now, see how she holds up in that. Her performance in Juno was great but I didn't care for the writing she was given, all of her lines seemed like they would be more natural coming out of the mouth of Dennis Miller. Also, she made a good Kitty Pryde.
- Joe "Brrzzzzzzt" Pierce
"Most of the mass bird deaths have happened over the United States, but reports are also coming out of Sweden, the Philippines, Italy and many other countries."
- Christopher Galtenberg
from Bookmarklet
Have any FriendFeeders seen any of these dead birds?
- Rochelle
there were a bunch found in my grocer's freezer last november
- Morgan
Has anyone blacked out and seen there future in these locations? If so it may be retaliation for cancelling the tv show about said subject! ;)
- Rachel Lea Fox
from iPhone
anybody see 'The Birds' movie? They started this whole thing and I say fuck 'em! If they can't handle some fireworks or low temperatures, then I say good riddance black bird. All they do is squawk and shit on cars & statues. To the birds I say 'bring it on you chicken-wannabees!'
- Morgan
Please stop using ISP email (Gmail is free!). I just discovered that one relatively common ISP seems to be blocking some of our emails because they include the url http://groups.google.com/group... (with that removed, the message gets delivered).
Spam filtering is too complex to be left up to random perl scripts or whatever these people use. Several months back, a different ISP was blocking our email because the from address included the word "friend" (as in "friendfeed.com").
- Paul Buchheit
i've noted a similar trend as well. most people on isp email (ahem, comcast & earthlink) have a setting that kickbacks anything that isn't coming from an approved list...and the default msg manages to come off as both retarded and pretentious in a "i need to stock shelves of canned food in preparation for y2k" kind of way. i think earthlink's notice even suggests you to CALL the person you're trying to contact so they can add you to their approved list. very annoying.
- James Miao
Sadly, for most people, using email that isn't provided by their ISP is like using a phone that wasn't provided by the phone company before Carterphone. You're playing with dangerous wiring, and 'who do you call if the bell doesn't ring?'.
- Robin Barooah
Big deal, Gmail is currently blocking yahoo-inc.com addresses. It is a hard problem and no one does it perfectly.
- Sam Pullara
Sam, it's very unlikely that they are blocking all of yahoo-inc.com. Perhaps you did a "Report Spam" on that address previously? (which could cause blocking for your account) Regardless, the fact that nobody is perfect does not excuse those that are awful.
- Paul Buchheit
Maybe it wasn't obvious, but just because an ISP is blocking some email messages with that URL in them it doesn't imply that the spam filter that it has is awful. It probably has just gotten a lot of spam with google groups urls in them.
- Sam Pullara
it is interesting how many people stick with their ISP email service. I guess it is hard to change your email identity especially if you have used the one you already have for long.
- Davide D'Incau
I was just going to post a question about best practices re: startups sending email. I am sending email directly from a server with SPF, domainkeys and DKIM all setup correctly. Yahoo still seems to want to put our emails into spam folders for some users. Any pointers on what to avoid (the emails I am sending are very short and contain only some text, a link and a unsubscribe link)/how to debug?
- Arvind Sundararajan
As far as I can tell, there aren't any great options. Some startups that don't have to send much mail just route it through Google. I think there are also some equivalent paid services, but I don't know how good any of them are. As you recall, even Gmail had trouble getting past broken spam filters sometimes.
- Paul Buchheit
I haven't used ISP mail for the best part of ten years. I've changed ISP three times in that time, so it would have been a pain in the ass and expense to keep telling everyone and reprinting cards etc. It's worth paying for a domain for that reason alone, or, nowadays using reliable spam-free email like Gmail. (I gave up on Hotmail and Yahoo way back).
- Ian May
gmail works great for me. I do not see any spam on it. Only stuff I am expecting to find there.
- Davide D'Incau
For our 20-person company, we've been using Google Apps + IMAP very happily for over a year.
- Jeremy Dunck
Even people in my own relatively tech-savvy family still use @aol and @earthlink addresses. It's not that they don't want to use Gmail or similar upgrade, its that they don't want to give up an address that they've had for 10, 15, 20 years. Weird when compared to a few generations later (kids today), when email addresses are treated as disposable identities. However, comcast and earthlink should just outsource email to someone more ... modern.
- DeWitt Clinton
I find it strange that people use ISP e-mail because they want to keep their e-mail address. My parents have changed their e-mail address at least once when they changed providers. Also, their ISP only offers POP3 access. No IMAP. Of course, of the free e-mail out there, only gmail offers IMAP (that I know of).
- Robert Felty
The only reason I haven't completely chucked my AOL mail is because I want to keep those screen names for IMing since I've had them for forever and a day. Unfortunately some family members only know me by those e-mail addys, so it's been a slow uphill battle to get them to start switching to either my hotmail or gmail accounts. I'll win one of these days...
- Hookuh Tinypants
Oh I don't use the AOL app for anything anymore. I'm all web-based anyway, and I use Digsby for chat. But the problem is that if I cancel my AOL account, they will cancel my screen names. Which means I will have to get all new screen names because they don't release canceled names back into the wild for like six months.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Not sure what you are saying -- that everybody should only use Gmail? There is a whole range of email providers out there -- free, not free, self managed, outsourced with varying degrees of spam management. Gmail is better than most, but still screws up.
- Brian Sullivan
Back when we got our service from Verizon, they not only included a Verizon email address, but also bundled in MSN, including an msn.com (hotmail) account. I haven't checked the former address in years, but use the latter for my IRL personal communications.
- Ontario Emperor
I son't see any problem with a FFer promoting a given web service in their posts. Happens all the time in fact. Gmail is free and ISP email usually sucks. If you don't like gmail there are other options and you're free to post about them. And if Paul's talking about the same ISP that I have, they pull this kind of crap all the time.
- Vicarbott
Point taken, but the tangential question is why do you use a google group as your main vehicle for user support?
- Laura Norvig
Laura, I actually just replaced the groups link with a link to the friendfeed-feedback room. My point however is that I should not have to worry about a groups.google.com url or some other random detail causing email to get blocked by some dumb filter. I noticed another ISP that blocks our daily-summary emails whenever they include amazon.com links (from someone's wishlist). FriendFeed is full of links, so these naive filters will always cause problems for our users.
- Paul Buchheit
As an aside, I'm not quite sure that FF is yet profiting from our data. Google certainly is because of the ads, but FF isn't quite there yet...
- FFing Enigma
V, I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does. That said, I agree that there should be multiple competent email providers. I wish that Gmail would open up their sender reputation data, since that's the most powerful and reliable bit in the spam filtering equation. However, even if they do that, most ISPs will still suck because they don't know better, don't care, and their customers don't realize what's going on.
- Paul Buchheit
Are there really ISPs who don't give end users control over whether to use the ISPs spam filters or not? I have ATT, which uses Yahoo Mail, and I can choose whether to use Yahoo filters or get the raw feed (and I do both, on different accounts). I do wish Gmail would let me POP/IMAP my spam folder, if I so chose, some of my Gmail accounts are obscure enough to never get spam and I don't want to miss anything.
- Tinfoil 2.0
"I would bet that Gmail protects your privacy better than your ISP does". Having worked at an ISP all I have to say is "here here!". People think Gmail is evil because they "read" your email to put some ads on it but don't care if your ISP sends your email through something like an IronPort to detect spam.
- Benjamin Golub
The irony is that those same heavyhanded span filters can't be particularly effective otherwise span would have been rendered cost ineffective by now.
- Robin Barooah
I said the same to mum in email tonight... she uses aol she sent pictures of her and dad on holinday in texas...they never showed..crap... i set up a gmail account for her..hopefully she will use it. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Every time Verizon/Yahoo gets a twich, my Mozilla Thunderbird goes down and cannot access the servers. But my Gmail still works. So I would like to go with GMail, completely, but, would I still be using the Verizon/Yahoo servers? Is GMail available through its own servers? Not completely savvy about this. Chris
- Chris Conner
Well, in defense of that ISP... Even Google doesn't use Google Groups, for some of its products because of the spam presumably.
- Space Cowboy
Alex Scrivener: I'm with Scoble on this one. Despite having the best router on the market, I default to wired unless absolutely impossible. Much faster, far less headaches
- LANjackal
But this is the future! No wires! (although I insist everyone in my office use a wired connection)
- Alex Scrivener
Agree. May well be expanding my Gigabit network soon.
- Roberto Bonini
Not everybody can shell out for the latest and most expensive technology. 720p TVs let a lot of people experience HDTV who might not otherwise be able to.
- The original Kevin
For the record, I dug my VCR out of the attic last week - had to convert some VHS tapes to digital.
- Roberto Bonini
I'm actually one of the poor people. I still have a CRT (which I'll still use for my pre-HD videogame consoles). Still, when I do go HD, I'll go 1080p LED and nothing less. Probably next year, after I finally stop procrastinating and get my guitar set up...
- Dennis Jernberg
I disagree Jeff, all source material and transports should be 1080 out only. All current HD displays can handle it regardless of if they are 720p or 1080p (or something in between).
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
it was sarcasm Alex. a play on "no child left behind" :)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
but hey, if you have to explain your joke, it wasn't that funny ;)
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Heh, sorry, true patriots don't inject sarcasm in to a serious discussion.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
no, true patriots just pay a tax (per syllable) on sarcasm
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Until broadcast television in the United States does 1080p (doubtful that it ever will), the 720p vs. 1080i debate will continue.
- Julian
We would never ever have gone to 720p, but then we had a really first-rate "480i" TV: Why take half steps? Julian: Blu-ray does 1080p. Beautifully. So, you know, that debate should be over. (Then again, I'm becoming aware just how few people really give a damn about TV picture quality, so...)
- Walt Crawford
Yes, I'm elitist for wanting the world to be a better place than it is.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
That's not necessarily elitist. It is paternalistic, though ;)
- Victor Ganata
720p makes the world a better place? *throws clean water back*
- Derrick
No, 1080p makes the world a better place...or at least better looking. Or at least makes it easier to forget how crappy the world is. Yeah, let's go with that.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
1080p for some, miniature American flags for others!
- Victor Ganata
Thinking about this again. If I was a "consumer electronics" manufacturer, I would still make 720p only devices if there was a demand for it, which there is. The 'consumer' may not be educated on what 'true HD' is or the Scoblian Ethos of 1080p so why would I make only one device when I can make 2 HD devices and sell the second device that is 1080p only at a premium? Why would I give my...
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- Johnny
Sorry, but companies should not be allowed to make money on ignorance of consumers. If that's Scoblian think, so be it.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
But that's different from your original statement. Consumers electronic manufactures SHOULD be able to make 720p devices if the market calls for it. Your moral objection to them doing so based on your personal preference for 1080p is different :)
- Johnny
from iPhone
720p is good enough for me. I don't see why it shouldn't be good enough for everyone else ;)
- Victor Ganata
It's not a personal preference. It's not like we are talking about red tvs vs blue tvs. We are talking about a display spec that is clearly better than another. Therefore they should phase out all products locked to the lesser display spec and only sell the better spec to prevent fragmentation of the marketplace. It's confusing enough as it is for a consumer to go in to Best Buy and choose devices without having to worry about 720 vs 1080.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Should I not be able to buy a film camera because digital is better? (that's still under question BTW)
- Johnny
It's 4 times the resolution, Johnny. That is clearly better.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Sitting on my couch, how much will I notice
- Johnny
This isn't the same thing as film vs digital though as there is no clear winner between them aside from ease of use. And sitting on your couch? That all depends on how big your display is, how good your eyes are and how far away from the display you are sitting. Sitting 7 feet away from a 55" TV, 1080p is clearly better than 720p for people with normal vision.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oddly enough, I disagree with Alex: Mfrs. should generally be able to sell any fool thing they want, as long as it's legal and properly labeled. Since apparently most people who buy HDTVs never bother to check that they're actually getting HDTV (no, the "available in HD" bug does NOT mean you're watching HD; usually quite the opposite), it's a matter of consumer education, not law.
- Walt Crawford
Can you even buy a non-HD display anymore (and despite this conversation, 720p *IS* HD)?
- JCunwired
And, you know, 480i, which is apparently what most people actually watch, looks just as good at 720 as at 1080. Ditto any screen smaller than around 42". *I* would never have bought a 720 set, just as I don't listen to 64K MP3. That's my choice. OTOH, for people who care, yes, 1080P (that is, Blu-ray) is distinctly better than 720P on a large set at a reasonable distance. If you care about what you're seeing.
- Walt Crawford
I sit 7 feet from my 52 inch tv and standard def TV looks ok to me. Need vs personal preference. If I can buy a 720p device for half the price of a 1080p, why bother. And that's the point. In a pure numbers game, 4 times as better is better. But life isn't a numbers game
- Johnny
from iPhone
The problem is, Johnny, is that Apple is selling a device that is the same price as a device that will handle 1080P sources (Roku box), but whatever, I can see that this sort of discussion just isn't wanted on friendfeed anymore...if it's not really about changing the world for the better, or cats, or whatever, people are going to flip out
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I have a 720p 32" flat screen in my office, works fine for me, but I also have 1080i and 1080p in other rooms that work even better. It all depends on the environment.
- JCunwired
Hang on Alex. I'm discussing with you the aspects of your argument. I love 1080p but also accept that my personal preferences are hard to impose on the wider community. You have to deal with budgets and ideas and bias and the world as it is. Stomping one's foot and bemoaning that they all just don't understand changes nothing. If you can't argue this point with me, of all people, then the question is if you should be having the argument at all.
- Johnny
from iPhone
This is the year 2010. Most people in the USA do not care about the very best in consumer electronics because they cannot afford them.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Johnny, if it was just you and me having this discussion, it would be one thing, but it's beyond that now.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
We aren't talking about the quality of the transports, m9m. It doesn't take a more expensive item to be able to handle 1080 vs 720 as we've already discussed.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Top Tip: Lead with 'Do you think', not 'I think'. Drawing a line in the sand in the OP invites only those who disagree. Seek consensus, not convincing
- Johnny
from iPhone
JC: I don't believe you can buy TVs without ATSC tuners, so technically, the answer is probably no. Can you buy TVs that don't actually produce a clean 720-pixel-vertical picture (that is, that can't actually resolve 720 lines of resolution on the screen)? I'd bet you can.
- Walt Crawford
This thread isn't looking for consensus, it was, as usual, looking for discussion based on something that bothers me.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Then you got it :) Others just don't think it bothers them as much.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Going back to your original post, regardless of the year, CE manufacturers are never going to abandon one technology for another until the market for the previous technology is tapped out and the market for the newer technology is mature. Until 1080p comes to broadcast and is ubiquitous, there's no way CE manufacturers will abandon 720p. And given that there are a ton of 720p sets out there that won't support 1080p, broadcasters won't be making the leap any time soon.
- The original Kevin
hmm, I didn't read Alex's first post as "exclusive" but "inclusive". Meaning, if CE manfr's wanted to put 720p as a capability, fine, but now, in 2010, they'd better have 1080p in there as well. Which I agree with. As far as the "phasing out" argument goes, I don't really care either way, since it looks good enough for how I need it when watching broadcast TV but I would love for everyone to step everything up to 1080p since it looks better.
- Chieze Okoye
We still have and use a VCR because a recordable DVD is not in our budget, nor can we afford to replace (or digitise) all our VHS tapes. So I for one am more than happy with "behind the times" technology when a lot of the newer stuff is just not affordable for me.
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
Yeah, Melly, kidding aside, this thread isn't about the choices that consumers have to make to put food on the table, but rather the choices that consumer electronics companies make to make a quick buck over removing confusion and helping their customers make better choices.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And the latter would definitely be good, but their main aim is probably profit, so... *shrugs*
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
(Glad we don't have flying cars - there are still too many people who can't drive on the road properly!)
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
I think that some people are reading that I'm saying that everyone should have a 1080p big screen or something and that's not what I'm talking about.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Ok, so I built a little tool to batch-unsubscribe from FriendFeed users. It will be styled later, but it does the job. http://ffbatch.brettkelly.org - please test it out and let me know if it breaks :)
ah, yeah, I actually meant to do that before posting it :)
- Brett Kelly
from IM
No, don't bother hiding the passphrase. How often are you using something like this from a public computer, or where someone can see your screen?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Brett, it would be nice if the tool showed some metrics next to each name (comments, likes, some kind of mutual compatibility or engagement measure) and let you sort by that as well.
- Michael R. Bernstein
This is great Brett! Is the source somewhere or is it closed source?
- EricaJoy
I may open the source up at some point, but I have large plans for the FF API (not necessarily selling anything, but plans nonetheless). We'll see how it goes :)
- Brett Kelly
No worries, what I want to do isn't possible yet anyhow. :)
- EricaJoy
from IM
Create a way to subscribe to all subscribers. Subscribers aren't exposed via the API (yet) so this seems either very hard or impossible now.
- EricaJoy
from IM
"It helps to learn firsthand. The most interesting part of the four-hour visit was the blower-door test. Paul used a large fan with an airtight skirt to blow air out the front door, depressurizing the house and accelerating small air leaks so they're easier to find. Cold air coming up from the basement doorway felt like a minor squall. Even tiny leaks passing through light-switch plates were perceptible. Langdon followed Paul around and felt each leak for himself -- which make it easier to understand the problem. Thermal imaging cameras are nifty. They make it visual and perceptible where heat escapes -- both through air leaks through solid surfaces. Langdon will get a series of photos that Paul shot."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
"Attics should get insulation first, then walls and basements. Because heat rises. Windows are so expensive they're rarely worth replacing for heating-bill savings alone."
- edythe
I still don't understand how you can call something "Open" if you have to wipe the pre-installed OS and hack it in order to use the best features of the OS. This is like saying a Mac is Open, because you can wipe OS X and install Linux on it.
Victor, Android OS is open. That's how all the vendors are able to customize it, and why so many have adopted it: there's no to use it. The phone itself might be locked down, but that's HTC/Samsung/Verizon's fault. And 99 44/100% of users don't care that the OS is open, but they are enjoying the fruits of that openness with all the applications and replacement pieces, like LauncherPro, which I'm using instead of the stock Android app launcher.
- DJF
And yet openness is the factor that the most passionate power users cite, but only after rooting their phone.
- Victor Ganata
Yes, I'm very passionate about my iPhone only after jailbreaking/unlocking it. The fact that doing this voids the warranty means it is not "Open" in any sense of the word.
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Openness is also a political/ideological factor. I have an android, and I haven't rooted it, but I know friends who have. I got the android partly because of the openiness (to paraphrase Colbert), but also because it's not an iphone with all the control freakery that Jobs has displayed on that platform.
- DJF
In your analogy, I think people are calling the Linux "open," and confusion arises because we call handsets that run Android, Androids.
- Marty
I don't know if I would associate 'open' with the end user experience. I'd like to keep it associated with code.
- Rodfather
I consider "openness" to be both a feeling and a philosophy - as trite as that sounds. Even if I can't see the source code, I still consider a system to "feel open" if it lets me customise various aspects of it; extend or remove components or functionality; is well-documented; integrates well with other systems or uses open protocols/file formats; and lets me easily manipulate and migrate my data. Bonus points if I can introspect it or otherwise easily obtain information regarding its state.
- Tyson Key
From my perspective open has everything to do with the user experience. I can choose my device, my carrier, my spare battery, what products my device interacts with, and can customize it to my use. I have no problem with HTC Sense, I don't need to mod, but if at sometime I want to, I know I can. You don't "have to wipe the pre-installed OS and hack it in order to use the best features", I'm not sure where this perception came from.
- JCunwired
I like all those aspects, I just don't want to associate it with the word open. Maybe choicetomize.
- Rodfather
I can't disagree with the idea of Android being more open than iOS. I just don't see Android (in terms of the casual end-user experience) as Open in the absolute sense, is all
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Google could make a stand and only allow devices onto the Android Market if they have a rooting option.
- Vezquex
android is open *SOURCE* which means that you can take the source code and do with it what you will. it *DOES NOT* mean that your hardware or carrier will allow such things. so while the software is open, the hardware that you buy from a carrier is not.
- tiffany
Windows is more open than OS X, but that still doesn't mean it's open.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Windows is "more" open than OS X? How do you quantify that one?
- Tinfoil 2.0
It depends on what you mean by open. You can see far more of OS X's source code than you can of Windows.
- Victor Ganata
You can install Windows on far more hardware and it's obviously a much more open space for developers as well, obvious because the amount of software available for Windows is orders of magnitude greater than for any other OS. If you mean open to mean transparent on the code level...no, I agree, Windows is a pretty closed black box.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I disagree that Windows is more open for developers. The Cocoa API is just as accessible as the Windows API. A massive user install base doesn't mean something is open.
- Victor Ganata
As I tweeted earlier: "Another way of looking at Steve Jobs' comment on "Fragmented vs Integrated" is "Diversity vs Monarchy" if one does not like "Open vs Closed""
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Everyone has their own definition of 'open' and 'fragmentation'. It's almost impossible to have a discussion where everyone is on the same page.
- Rodfather
Hehe, Rodfather, sounds like just about any other complex conversation we could have here
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's because people keep mistaking / equating a simple concept -- "open source" or "the permission to view, modify, and redistribute code" -- for "wide availability of apps," "ability to run on different hardware," "ubiquitous," and "an exposed API." t'aint the same y'all. Not at all. And until marketers stop tryna call their proprietary, redistribute-and-get-sued code "open," we will keep talking in circles about what should be cut-and-dry </rant>
- tiffany
from Android
I think it misleading to think that's a binary situation, too. It's possible to be comparatively more open or more closed, without necessarily being absolutely open, or absolutely closed.
- Victor Ganata
Open source (anyone can see the code for your system) is indeed a different kind of open vs open architectures (anyone can make hardware for your system) or open development (anyone can write software for your system).
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
but that's the thing about android: it actually *is* open architecture and open development too. that's the thing. you can buy an unlocked HTC android phone and use it on any GSM carrier, or build your own device if you know how, as long as it meets the minimum hardware requirements. and if i wanted to write and distribute software for android, i could. so yes, android IS open. and open source.
- tiffany
I don't dispute that the Android code base is open. What I have issue with are the specific implementations that are loaded with undeleteable crapware or lock out the app store. These seem to me considerably less open, in the same way that while Darwin is BSD licensed, major parts of Mac OS X are entirely proprietary. If these implementations can be called open, then Steve Jobs can claim OS X is open.
- Victor Ganata
so your issue is carrier lock-in. that's not a problem with android. android itself is open. carriers are not. this is my annoyance with the "is android open?" question. yes. android IS open. carriers, however, have their own rules and networks for devices that they sell and subsidize. but you can (well, you used to be able to) buy a nexus one and have none of these problems. you can...
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- tiffany
But the platonic ideal of Android is open. (and arguably even exists, or existed, as the Nexus One.)
- Andrew C (✓)
Of all the popular mobile OSes out there, it's certainly the most open. I won't dispute that.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, this is how open it really is: Use your own hardware, then take the source and customize the Android OS to just the way you want it...fork it, change the name to VictorOS, add features, remove others and when you are finished, install it on your hardware, lock it how you like and go make money off it selling the unique VictorPhone devices to others. That's not something you can do with something that isn't open, certainly not something you can do with iOS, and not something you can do with WM7.
- April
Right, I know the source code is open and free. But the end-user experience is encumbered. Yes, it's more open than iOS and Windows 7, but it isn't as open as the end-user experience of, say, Firefox, or of an Ubuntu distro. That's all I'm saying.
- Victor Ganata
Linux is about as open as it gets and I don't think that anyone would argue that it gives you a particularly good user experience.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Ubuntu gives you a good user experience, partly because you can easily install apps not blessed by Canonical, the makers of Ubuntu.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
Alex, I'm not really addressing how good the experience is, only how open it is.
- Victor Ganata
I think the encumbered user experience is overblown. How long on average do we hold on to our phones before upgrading? When we purchase gadgets, do we evaluate what it does today, or what it can do tomorrow? There will always be newer and better devices that we covet, and eventually own. So, from consumer perspective, does open REALLY matter? Developers should be the only ones in this argument, methinks.
- JCunwired
The marketers are the ones who put the end-user into the equation when they started using "Open" as the newest buzzword that meant "better". I agree, most end-users don't really care about licensing issues.
- Victor Ganata
^^ liking this comment, and declaring a definitive end to the "open" debate. :)
- JCunwired
Thanks guys: it's not too bad once you figure out what are decent alternatives for things you like to eat. The only thing I miss greatly is pizza.
- Mark Trapp
You can write a hilarious sitcom called "Mark and his Giant Pants" now. Think of the possibilities! Also, congratulations!
- James Ferguson
Man, Charlie Sheen would have nothing on a pair of pants and a laugh track.
- Mark Trapp
Mazel tov, Mark! Also, provide a list of what you generally eat day-to-day.
- Akiva
Awesome job! About 5 years ago I lost around 90 lbs in 2 months or so...and not in the best way. Since then I have gained it back and am looking to lose it again for good. Any tips you have are greatly appreciated!
- Chris Topher
Chris: in my experience, the key to weight loss is caloric intake: everything else is tangential or helps with other aspects of health. So, math has been my main tool: I calculate my basal metabolic rate and my calorie allotment daily (keeping in mind 3,500 calories is roughly equal to one pound), and try to maximize the amount of food I can eat for my calorie allotment. A few comments...
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- Mark Trapp
Great job Mark! I'm interested in following your journey. I've lost 60 lbs in the last year by concentrating on whole natural foods. Similar to your diet, I've gotten rid of sugar, refined grains and most processed food. I've found (personally and from research) that eating "real" is a key factor to health. Food created by nature and not created/modified by people in a laboratory.
- Vaughn
With your calories so low, you don't experience any hunger during the day?
- Vaughn
Vaughn, I think Mark eats a lot of "mass" but not high energy, so remains sated when he eats despite the low caloric intake.
- Mo Kargas
Right: I'm constantly eating (every 3 hours) and each meal fills me up.
- Mark Trapp
I've only lost 3 pounds over the past week. I'm already a failure! [runs out of the room crying; runs back in, grabs a bag of Funyons, runs back out again]
- Akiva
Thanks, Ginger! Akiva: I lose about 3 pounds a week; anything more and the fat police say you're losing too much weight too fast.
- Mark Trapp
Well, then, Trapp, I am nipping at your heels then.
- Akiva