Echo and Disqus can bring the sidewiki feed back into it
- Kevin Marks
I's not controlling conversation I object to just reaching across a network and changing the way my content is displayed. I have no objections to a client side mashup or even a peer to peer
- Matt Terenzio
You do have control over what you write. You don't have control over what OTHER PEOPLE write.
- Ken Sheppardson
SideWiki is MOST dangerous because it isn't RSS-enabled, and there's no way to properly monitor it.
- Ike Pigott
SideWiki has a feed for every page and for every user, wrong Ike
- Kevin Marks
Y'all realize Diigo has been doing this same thing for a couple years now, right? Folks just haven't objected because they don't know about it. There will *always* be side converasations you don't know about that you can't control.
- Ken Sheppardson
framing is wrong. I format my content to browser size (just devil's advocate, I don't do that)
- Matt Terenzio
what do you want a feed for, Ike? Which page?
- Kevin Marks
Gillmor suggests by his actions just now that there needs to be a judge(ment). Where is the referee.
- Arnie Klaus
You could build a similar service that displays the comments from FriendFeed related to a specific page in the sidebar. IT's the same API http://ffcheck.com uses. Would you object to that, Robert?
- Ken Sheppardson
I'd be interesting if SideWiki was a wiki
- Ross Mayfield
Robert - remember when I closed my FriendFeed account and you argued that I deleted YOUR comments stream?
- Rob La Gesse
Nobody's modifying what you're trying to display. There's a supplemental app that's displaying additional information about your page, Robert. And you have nothing to say about it, nor should you.
- Ken Sheppardson
Aren't all audiences shared, and the audience owns itself?
- Ross Mayfield
You already do anything you want with pages in your browser.
- Cliff Gerrish
But ken if a plugin said, here Google take this page I want and add all the extra metadata to it and return it to me. That is wrong. It's different than a local client gathering content and displaying the way the enduser wants. technicality, but that is law. and I'm no lawyer
- Matt Terenzio
sidewiki isn't part of anybody's blog. it is an abstraction layer that becomes visible when a sidewiki user visits the blog
- Keith Teare
Do I have the "right" to install ad-blocking plugins? Do I have the "right' to install Greasemonkey or Stylish to change fonts and background colors?
- Ken Sheppardson
actually, Robert's password IS his phone number :)
- Robert J Taylor
But *I* as the reader, am the one making the choice to "deface" the page. It's not as if every visitor is being forced to read those comments. It's MY CHOICE to see them.
- Ken Sheppardson
I did that too, Kevin. It didn't resolve, didn't pull in the very comment I left.
- Ike Pigott
So you don't ever talk about blog posts or web pages on FriendFeed then, right, Stephen?
- Ken Sheppardson
then they choose to see that content, it wasn't forced on them
- Ryan
OK, at the count of three, everyone uninstall Google Toolbar. Then they will just build it into Firefox. And BECOME MS
- Rob La Gesse
Kevin, you're right -- but THOSE posts and comments will be more easily sortable, findable, and addressable. SideWiki is way too chaotic. And since all the SideWiki comments live on GOOGLE domain, they will show up in search eventually!
- Ike Pigott
Ken, hell yes, I do, but that's on FriendFeed and not on somebody's site
- Stephen Pickering
"we had no choice" is the critical aspect that isn't being addressed by wider audiences
- Jay Cuthrell
If I told you that I was using the FriendFeed API to retrieve and display all conversations related to the page I'm visiting in my sidebar, would you object to that, Stephen? See http://ffcheck.com
- Ken Sheppardson
yes Ken, but just because you ask me, I can't legally send a copy of something to you. Not saying they do this here, but I bet they want to soon if they mix it with search data and deliver ads, for example
- Matt Terenzio
They don't all live on Google's domain - that was my point about http://oneforty.com where SideWiki shows the TechCrunch RWW et al posts
- Kevin Marks
people who publish web pages need to host a more friendfeed-like discussion experience if they want to counter the sidewiki effect
- Brian Hendrickson
Steve - that IS an economically feasible plan
- Rob La Gesse
Good. There will be a hell of a push back if it does take off
- Stephen Pickering
This whole industry that attempts to monetize content by framing it in a particular context, i.e. wrapped by ads, is sorta doomed, IMHO. In the long run.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brian I don't see your posts. just mine
- Ron Hudson
Yeah, so what's next, Ken, Google will put its own ads on my site?
- Stephen Pickering
Mike -- DotSpots is the same issue as well. Very good catch.
- Jay Cuthrell
So, what does SideWiki with Wikipedia mean?
- Robert J Taylor
Sidewiki is the new standard for comments on all websites. Just install a Wordpress plugin for bringing Sidewiki entries into your blog comments.
- Charbax
I see yours now Ike, I commented on a different url. SideWiki #fail
- Ron Hudson
No Rob... SideWiki turns blogs into subway cars, in a town that sells permanent infrared spraypaint.
- Ike Pigott
All systems need calibration or the noise takes over.
- Arnie Klaus
Sidewiki will never take off and even if it does, there will be so much push back just like the digg framer that they will discontinue it
- Stephen Pickering
Jay, yeah DotSpots raises the same issues but nobody is talking about them because they're relatively unknown (unlike Google)
- Mike Doeff
I hope Google puts SideWiki in Firefox. That will be the start of the anti-trust investigation
- Rob La Gesse
Sidewiki or something like it will absolutely take off, you just won't know about it.
- Ken Sheppardson
My browser is not your place of business, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
plugin functionality is quickly being surpassed by things like Comet/AJAX, so what's next.. who can write AJAX?
- Jerry Schuman
but my site is my place of business (so to speak)
- Robert J Taylor
Your browser isn't but when you can use it to deface his website, it is his place of business
- Stephen Pickering
Jeez... we're going in circles yet again..
- Ken Sheppardson
Google isn't as well known as we'd like to think. Sidewiki should be enabled on every news article ever created. Every news article should have a Wikipedia stub. If Google assists, fine... but I'd rather see the overlay be outside control of any one company.
- Jay Cuthrell
I just pushed SideWiki into my Friendfeed, and my Friendfeed spools into my SideWiki profile, and it hasn't caused me any probl
- Ike Pigott
Transient logic... next big push.. data push first.. logic push next.
- Jerry Schuman
it is a document that is being passed across the web, despite how complicated the creation and distribution is. ultimately it is html and javascript
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki needs to bring in Google Reader comments related to the "post"/page it's displaying. That'd be slick.
- Ken Sheppardson
the document comes from a location, or multiple locations
- Matt Terenzio
Sidewiki already brings in relevant related blog posts from blogsearch/google news
- Charbax
Isn't the location metaphor broken, just like the silo metaphor.
- Cliff Gerrish
we're resurrecting "compound document" architectures ala OpenDoc
- Jerry Schuman
Do we truly care who hammed a nail? Or do we mostly care that the nail was hammered properly? (pertaining to "identity")
- Jay Cuthrell
I'd prefer that comments be distributed, and when you view an "entry" or some chunk of content, all the associated, linked comments on and items related to that item can be pulled from wherever they live and displayed for me, subject to filtering I define.
- Ken Sheppardson
You can just load the comments from Google's Sidewiki server by simply copying from the RSS feeds.
- Charbax
I wonder how NASCAR feels about that? ;-) I didn't get that as a top hit relating to mechanical engineering or marketing elements related to car racing.
- Jay Cuthrell
I might... I should.... Nov 3-5 at the Comp History Museum?
- Ken Sheppardson
Still listening to the show, but one idea that doesn't seem to have been brought up on the sidewiki debate is the fact that I can create a custom CSS template for a page (Scobleizer.com for example) and even further change and/or modify a website's appearance and look. What happens when Google creates a proverbial "sideCSS" widget to allow everyone easy access to modify the look of...
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- Chris Aldrich
Doesn't RSS already strip all the formatting from a website in order to transport one level of value?
- Cliff Gerrish
Not every site has RSS. haven't you heard it's dead?
- Matt Terenzio
Poor substitute? Are you serious? You can't comment on things within Twitter... unless it's being done here. Also, you aren't limited to 140 characters with Facebook. I use Twitter, but can hold better conversations here and on Facebook. Of course, both our statements are opinions... which I respect.
- Jason Hansen
Ah, but I use FriendFeed for conversations. :-) Besides most of the people on FB I know (family, etc) and I communicate with them on email. I can see what you are saying. Its just that I don't 'presently' use FB that way. But that could change.
- berchman
It says I can send 2 invites and that a "limited" number of users can use Lite - but I just clicked the link and I was there. Are their limitations on use?
- Ken Ronkowitz
Does not work for everyone yet. It redirection to regular site for me.
- Robert Couture
Same for me, just redirecting to the regular Facebook clusterf*ck.
- Jan Ole Peek
I like it. Makes Facebook less annoying.
- Jonathan Brown
Works if your language is set to English (US). If you have English (UK) selected it will still redirect to the regular Facebook.
- Louis Simoneau
Jason: the 140 character limit never bothers me, it's not like you can't break something into 2 messages if needed
- Mike Chelen
Still missing a "hide" feature, but the new notifications display is very nice indeed...but it really is just a port of friendfeed to facebook, isn't it?
- Louis Simoneau
Louis: unfortunately FB posts don't seem to move to the top when someone replies
- Mike Chelen
So an incomplete and broken port of FF to FB then? ;-)
- Louis Simoneau
Yep. Seriously... developing blister on strumming thumb. Awesomely fun game and extremely well done. Kinda wish I had an XBOX 360 for the better graphics.
- Jonathan Brown
Sometimes I need to state the painfully obvious so that it settles in. :-)
- berchman
Do it, but I've read about issues w/ CS4 and SL.
- Jonathan Brown
I think I can sit tight until January. Typically that's when major product upgrades are announced. That will give time for 10.6 bugs to get squashed too. Bet its 10.6.3 by January. :-)
- berchman
Transferring network settings, system settings, etc from TimeMachine backup
- berchman
I'm finally finished with mine. Time machine rocks. Wipe clean. Install OS. Let Time Machine do the rest. Working on my machine now as if I never left it.
- Kenley Neufeld
Good to know TM works that well. I've always looked at it as an oh-crap-why-did-I-do-that recovery rather than full system recovery.
- Jonathan Brown
Time Machine has saved me a few times. That and the Drobo are a great combo.
- berchman
I have a working machine again. However, now having to move my apps, etc. back over. Painstaking process. If anyone has suggestions for getting apps/prefs/etc moved over please let me know.
- berchman
I've got TM on my laptop backing up to the NAS I built.
- Jonathan Brown
It is painful. Right now trying to use migration assistant to bring my old user folder over. At least my machine is alive, not crashing, and I have everything on the Drobo. However, this is going to be my time suck today. Need to have an operating machine tomorrow. I gotz to work.
- berchman
Can you just reformat and start from scratch?
- Jonathan Brown
Working in my failed Snow Leopard install. Major time suck.
- Kenley Neufeld
from iPhone
Did you check for drivers online? (I imagine you did but sometimes in one's fury you forget)
- berchman
Yeah, that's basically the problem. They haven't released SL compatible software yet. People bitchin' about it forums. Some say Logitech didn't pay the $499 to get the SDK or something.
- Jonathan Brown
Got the mouse working. Went to XP box, downloaded a connection utility, up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A-select-start, click heels 3 times and make a wish and it connected. Brought it over to Mac and it worked. I've never had to do that with a USB wireless mouse before.
- Jonathan Brown
Hah! I've not been in a library in probably 10 years.
- Jonathan Brown
This is actually in our back room and hasn't been updated in a couple of years (if you can believe we were still using it until then).
- Kenley Neufeld
I so want a card catalog for the house I don't own yet - I just love them :)
- Jennifer Dittrich
I love libraries, and it's interesting to see how they've changed over the years to keep up with technology. Also, a bunch of my pals are librarians. Tee hee.
- Derrick
Kenley... Not really. Google, Borders and Amazon.
- Jonathan Brown
Come by my library; you might be surprised. Plus, we have a great view of the ocean.
- Kenley Neufeld
I need to investigate the bureaucratic elements, but I do plan on getting rid of it soon.
- Kenley Neufeld
I also covet your soon to be gotten rid of card catalog. Want!
- Rachel Walden
NO! You know what might be missing in the future is the ability to do random browsing of books sitting next to eachother, or index cards next to eachother, or randomly opening something and looking at it! At least keep the furniture and put easter eggs in it. Randomly assign people a drawer when you want to surprise them.
- Jonas S Karlsson
Sure. We could keep it and use it as an ARTifact that it is. Except It is kind of large and unwieldy. ;-)
- Kenley Neufeld
from email
Yes. SharePoint is a virus. It will spread rapidly because it gives the impression of empowerment to your user base. Unfortunately, that shortcut around IT eventually comes back in the form of some automation or integration that's not possible (or expensive to do) and you end up with a frustrated user base and IT team. We didn't have the proper level of governance when originally deployed and if it wasn't for downsizing of the company, it would be almost uncontainable.
- Jonathan Brown
I love what Steve is doing with this postcard thing. I'm guessing its the iPhone app on the commercial?
- Jonathan Brown
Thanks for that link. Great article and could not agree more on the noise/signal commentary. I see that as a real opportunity for innovation (hint).
- berchman
The first part of realigning this website is defining the brand of Berchman.com. Berchman is me so subjective/objective issues are very strong with taking on this exercise. Berchman does have a brand in the eyes of the beholder, but up to this point-in-time I have never done any research to get to the essence of the Berchman brand.
- berchman
It wasn't clear from your post, but do you still intend to redesign your site from a pure design perspective?
- Jonathan Brown
Yes. The shift is that the visual redesign will be informed by the 'realignment' of the purpose and content. Not just a random visual redesign because it looks 'cool.' The design will have purpose.
- berchman
Tremendous news. Looking forward to it.
- Mike Doeff
Sweet. - Gillmor Gang was one of my favorite couple hours of the week. Dave and Marshall are doing a nice job over at bad hair day - but I am definitely excited for the return of GG.
- andrew
Truly glad to hear it! Also like the NGL sign on your Twitpic. :)
- Karoli
Whooooooooooo----f'king hoooooooooo! It's on my Calendar-in-the-Cloud
- Francine Hardaway
More comebacks than Sinatra, yay :-) Will there be a podcast of it too, pretty please for your *fans* that can't make the time schedule?
- Scottish Lass
Somebody better update the Wikipedia entry...
- Cliff Gerrish
YES! YES! YES! Thank you Steve - this makes me happy!
- Michael Pinto
For those on the other side of the planet will you be able to grab the show via RSS - oh I forgot RSS is dead, right?
- John Chrisoulakis
So happy GG is coming back (again). Literally the highlight of an otherwise rough day. Don't care what network it's on, as long as Steve gets to herd his intellectually stimulating mix of "cats". Thanks Steve. :)
- Dr. Apps
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