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Breaking: US miltary plane forced to land in Iran after breaking air space. Just heard on France24 hour news. October surprise? Hostages?!?
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http://www.france24.com/en...
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Link from BBC http://news.bbc.co.uk/1...
- Nick Reynolds
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Ok found it, dang had to hunt for this one. Nothing said about hostages though.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
If this is true, the conspiracy theorist in me (until recently, a very small part) wonders if it could be an "orchestrated crisis" to take our minds off the economy (where the democrats currently hold the high ground) and onto national security (where the republicans *think* they have an upper-hand. Most of me believes that that wouldn't happen, but, sad to say, part of me believes, after the last 8 years and the last couple of days, it could.
- Robert Clockedile
from twhirl
BBC report says the passegers, which included "high fanking generals" were interogated and released. Also, no confimation from anyone other thant the Iranian-run news agency? Dubious. In fact AP now reports the plane might have been from a European Aid agency. Also, passengers were released "a day later." This is not a crisis.
- David Connell
from twhirl
Pentagon denies it happened. http://www.reuters.com/article... Only reporting on this is from Iranian state-run media.
- Mark Jaquith
from twhirl
Here's the AP piece: http://ktar.com/...
- David Connell
from twhirl
I knew it was false because when the USAF enters Iranian airspace, it'll be Iran's warplanes making emergency landings. Bush will wait until after the election if he can.
- Rob Sterling
whoa, not good!
- Susan Beebe
the nice thing about doing email that is three days old is much of it is irrelevant now and has been taken care of by someone else
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Ray Bradbury Sunsweet Prunes Commercial - http://laughingsquid.com/ray-bra...
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The AP's puzzling campaign coverage explained: http://moourl.com/gsr8w Their DC bureau Chief's objectivity is in question for good reason.
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Simon Blint, Director of Visitor Relations at the SF MOMA is an asshole. http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Travis Koger, Kevykev, Jeff P. Henderson and 45 other people liked this
remind me NEVER to go there when I'm in town.
- Helen Sventitsky
from fftogo
Although it certainly sounds like you're right form your description, your case is stronger without the use of the word asshole. Just a thought. ;)
- Erin McMahon
Pitiful. Makes me wonder if you have a discrimination case here too. Why were folks with P&S not harassed?
- Kevin C. Tofel
Maybe Erin, but the guy was an asshole and I'm pissed about it. I gave him every opportunity to sit down and discuss my photography and he refused. This is not a way to treat a paying member of the museum and I don't feel that this sort of powertrippy behavior should be tolerated. Sometimes I get mad.
- Thomas Hawk
Wow, that is effing ridiculous! Sorry you were subjected to that bullshit.
- Anna Haro
First the SF zoos have animals that maul patrons, now the museums are inept as well. Personally, I can't park anywhere in that town w/o getting a ticket. Eff SF.
- Pete Delucchi
Maybe he's an unhappy Zooomr user ;)
- Jason Carreira
I read that story and just cant believe that people can be so blatantly rude and obnoxious while also being totally WRONG!
- Manny
@TH I'd be mad too, as of course you have every right to be! I don't doubt that he was, in fact, an asshole. I'd just hate to see your calling him one work against you. Maybe an unfounded concern. (Sry- don't mean to be critical.)
- Erin McMahon
Remind me the next time I find myself in San Francisco not to visit the MOMA. This is just plain ridiculous and Blint should be fired by the board...
- David's View
wow ... this really sucks ... post dugg @ Digg
- Steve Holden
Dugg.
- Chris Baskind
Thomas, if this happens to a photog/blogger of your stature, I can't imagine what would happen to others in the same situation. Shall we start a petition or a boycott? Story in SFist or SFBG? This has to stop.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
Thomas, I love your photography, I envy your perceptions. This dude reminds me of so many petty bureaucrats I've run into over the years and run over as often as possible. There are hundreds of ways to correct the error the museum made in hiring this person. It appears you're supported in either in person or in spirit from the majority of your fellow Freindfeeders.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Erin that was my first comment exactly . While completely justified a more dignified adjective would yield the same attention & more accurately represent the man I have the pleasure of snuggleing with ever night.
- Mrsth
people don't understand good glass. My walking around lens is a 24-70 on my D700. Whenever I walk in the room someone makes a comment about how big it is. Sure it is a big lens physically but not as large as most super zoom point and shoot cameras.
- gfurry
Wow. That's just awful. I'm sorry to hear that. I know one place to avoid when I go visiting. I hope you get an apology at the *very* least from them. Do keep us updated.
- Candace
what a f**cking retard. Not letting you take photos... "Granted". Treating a visitor that way. FAIL. (Dugg) .
- Chris Farrugia
Oh, and organize a photowalk at MOMA :D
- Chris Farrugia
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think you should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Search for the term "Simon Blint" in Google now. He fully deserves it and there could be no better way to teach him a lesson.
- Sudar
Thomas, wow this is terrible! The SF MOMA policy on photography is clear, so hearing that you were forced out after taking photos is really hideous!! This complaint has got to reach the ears of the folks running SF MOMA so they can take appropriate action. "Protect the employees"...yeah right! What a tragedy!
- Susan Beebe
Reprehensible. That was one scathingly good blog post, Thomas.
- Donna Mugavero
its seems that Jeremiah has a bone to pick with Thomas.. more here http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
@firestar9s (Erin), his case isn't stronger without the use of "asshole." And this is what strong language is for.
- Tanath
@peterdawson I don't have a 'bone to pick' with Thomas, I just want to ensure we've all thought about the long term impacts this has to online reputations. Thomas is a friend, in fact my profile pic is one he took, and I'll always be thanksful
- Jeremiah Owyang
@Jeremiah, thats what friends are for.. to pick bones with. its literally means "if you have a bone to pick with someone, you are annoyed about something they have done and want to tell them how you feel." , IMHO, thats a precise defination of the terms. Pls tell the that "... but is it necessary to tag Simon an a-hole? Did Thomas (and SFMoma) act in accordance to..". NOW to me you r bone picking
- Peter Dawson
I understand and appreciate Jeremiah's concern and respect his opinion and he is a friend. I'm passionate about photographer's rights and abuse of authority though. I'm not sure how many of you have been somehow infringed on for photography in the past, but I bet it's a lot of you actually. As someone who shoots every day I pretty much see it happen to me every week. Standing up for our rights and blogging the most egregious cases though is a way to stand up for something that I very much believe in.
- Thomas Hawk
He'll make a cool president - http://www.scripting.com/stories...
Joe Beda (), Nik Kalyani, Alexei Tolkachev and Jon Erickson liked this
I think so too. The soldiers there agreed. I suppose there are some who think George Bush is cool, and if that makes you cringe, there's your partisan divide right there.
- Amyloo
Barack Obama meets troops in Kuwait, makes 3-pt jumper on first try - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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nouhad, Seth, Crystal English and 40 other people liked this
Swish!
- Mike Doeff
Daaaamn ...
- Chris Baskind
the coolest
- Ňicķ
jesus, i mean it is not like he's a freakin superstar so stop admiring him like one. hope he makes it better than bush, that is all i want from him
- Nils Hitze
from twhirl
Nils, if you can hit that shot, I'll say the same about you. :-)
- Chris Baskind
if he's not superstar, i don't know who is.....
- Ňicķ
Shooting hoops may become a crucial part of his campaign
- Charlie
presidential shot
- Jamie
Fluke.
- Mohamed J
I wouldn't vote for a Bulls fan
- Noah David Simon
Wonder if he can throw a baseball.
- Larry Huffman
This really shows the one thing that sets Obama apart from most other public figures: how incredibly, almost preternaturally relaxed he is in front of a crowd. Coolness incarnate.
- Dave Bonta
Impressive guy all the way around...neat!
- Susan Beebe
All star
- Jeremiah Owyang
Yes but he can't bowl which shows he is not in touch with "regular" people. After all... regular people don;t play basketball.
- Jeff Jones
Quality!!!
- Joe Dawson
"I may not make this first one" - yeah, right
- Tom Quinn
he is "on target"
- orionstarr
Now I want to see him box.(What a president we could have!)
- Lisa Creech Bledsoe
from twhirl
forget foreign policy! I want a prez that can shoot hoops.
- SolidSmack
from twhirl
that's it. i'm voting for him. twice
- Cee Bee
he is left-handed....4 of the last 6 presidents were southpaws
- Derek Coatney
Awesome!
- Mitchell Tsai
Wouldn't it be neat to have a cool president?
- Anthony Citrano
Wow.
- Dave Winer
The Lakers sure could have used him back in the NBA finals, but I think the US needs him more.
- Jon Erickson
Would have they shown it if he hasn't scored? :) Anyway I hope he'll be your next President.
- Markingegno - Donato
Too bad the presidential race can't be decided by a game of 'around the world'.
- Dave Earley
Interesting sidenote: When John McCain visited the base last year he was handed the same basketball. It spontaneously self-deflated in his hand.
- Bill Barol
If Obama agrees to do a town-hall meeting with McCain I think McCain should agree to play Around the World or Horse with Obama.
- Brandon Titus
When I saw this on Fox News, they deliberately included 10 seconds of Obama "prepping" for the shot, but somehow were too short on time to include the part where he makes the basket.
- Sanjay
2 points.. toes were over the line!
- Aaron Baer
Weight Based Pricing of Airline Tickets - http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
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Don't all airline tickets weigh the same?
- Stuart Grimshaw
from twhirl
I think it would be great, may even help not getting stuck between two large people on a flight back east. But please don't let TSA be responsible for weighing everyone we may never get to board.
- Jon Erickson
Actually, I often get "electronic" tickets... I wonder if those weigh anything.
- Jeremy Zawodny
This reminds me of living with roommates... you'd start out splitting the electricity bill evenly, but then someone complains that Carl has a server room that drains 70% of the power and then Carl complains that Eddie uses a lot of that server space and so on and so on... weight-based pricing sounds neat ... in theory... but could turn into disaster
- Dave Dash
from Alert Thingy
so how do you buy tickets in advance, or for a third person, when you can't price them until you actually show up to be weighed?
- Chuq Von Rospach
It's an interesting concept ... but as mentioned above, could get messy. I've often thought about how this could be done in health care. THAT gets even messier though.
- AJ Kohn
@Jason: You could weigh them at the security checkpoint without slowing them down too much. Hey, they even get to take the shoes off to lower the total!
- AJ Kohn
I'm not sure that knowing the *exact* price in advance really matters. What you're "buying" in advance is a $/pound price point. Most poeple likely own scales and could easily ballpark their ticket prices. Hell, it wouldn't take long for popular booking web sites to add a little on-line calculator.
- Jeremy Zawodny
I'm thinking of it like in Total Recall with the wall of x-ray ... as you walk down you're assigned a weight. Perhaps it's not even a scale but simple math based on visual capture?
- AJ Kohn
if you're going to attempt this in obese-nation, then ya need to seriously overhaul a ton of other crap like banning fast food, only see fruit vendors in airports and, if your feet cant reach the floor in your seat -sorry you cant lean back its felony if you do
- Dan Rockwell
from twhirl
Oh man I'm in trouble. Wouldn't this classify as weightism? :P
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
This is likely an unpopular view, but would it be a bad thing to provide some economic incentives to be a bit healthier? I mean, it's one thing if you choose to smoke, stuff yourself with fast food and not exercise and your quality of life and health diminishes. The problem is the rest of the populace pays for their care.
- AJ Kohn
Weight is not always health related - some people are naturally larger or smaller. Also sometimes being overweight is a medical condition rather than the result of food consumption. So not a really fair system.
- Craig Thomler
sort of understand the mass to cost to transport ratio - but surprised to see above is all about overweight - how about those of us who are genetically big, we'd be punished for our dna
- mike "glemak" dunn
Final solution remedies always produce collateral damage,huh?
- Mark Forman
Craig: see this response: http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
- Jeremy Zawodny
Jason: smart approach... sorta huge line though to weigh all this stuff...monetizing air travel really does suck
- Susan Beebe
im obese and what you just said kills me "put down the cinnabon before you board" - i hope we get to meet one day and you say that to my face!
- Allen Stern
Allen, perhaps you're not familiar with my story? http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog...
- Jeremy Zawodny
No zealots like a convert. :)
- Robert Cooper
from twhirl
As someone who is bigger (tall and a bit wider) I think the only way I would agree to pay more is if they give me a bigger seat with more legroom. Short skinny people can spare the space. This is a reason I hate to fly. I would rather drive than pay more to get treated as sheep.
- Dave Simon
Jeremy your system is flawed for so many reasons. Stick to coding pal :)
- Allen Stern
Allen: thanks for your thoughtful analysis and advice. I'll be sure to only think and write about code from now on, for fear of a coming up with "flawed" ideas.
- Jeremy Zawodny
I'm thinking Jeremy meant this like Swift's "A Modest Proposal" [satire] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Sprague D
So in your plan, if I am fat, do I get a larger seat to go along with my higher price? Right now I pay for two seats, how does your system handle that? Or does everyone get the same seat but pays more because there's more weight in there? I am going to double-swipe my metrocard tomorrow on the subway because the train pulling me has to exert more force because of my weight. On a side note, congrats (seriously) on your weight loss.
- Allen Stern
Allen: a larger seat would make a lot of sense, wouldn't it?
- Jeremy Zawodny
i wish i had more time right now to go back and forth with you on this but 9 companies have decided to post news tomorrow at 9am and i have to write their stories - maybe we pick this up at another time - sorry
- Allen Stern
This came up 6 years ago too. SouthWest decided they would force large people to buy a second ticket. http://scottkoon.org/2002... . This works out to a lose-lose situation for everyone. It does open some "slippery slope" possibilities. The real problem is that they put too many rows on the planes. Tall, skinny people would rather have one less row and some more leg room. I'd also advocate some sort of "smack in the head" policy for anyone reclining in their seat.
- Scott Koon
from twhirl
I would find this a lot more palatable if you also got a size-appropriate seat. If I'm 280 lbs and am paying twice as much as someone who weighs 140lbs, then I should get a chair that fits my size, and the 140 lb person should get a chair that fits their size.
- Kevin Fox
This campaign was running a few weeks ago when I was in Philadelphia: http://flyderrie-air.com/derriea... The first airline to charge by weight. It is coming. (No, it isn't real, but it is funny) Wasn't pay by the pound big with some small town restaurants in the 70's / 80's? I remember going to one as a kid and it was a nickel a pound for kids under 12.
- Scott Schnaars
Besides larger seats for larger people you would also have to provide a bigger meal and more snacks. Ummm wait.. that's called first class.
- Luis Figueiredo
A sensible idea.
- Carlo Zottmann
all I know is that I just flew continental and was totally surprised to be fed... and I mean actual food not just peanuts
- nick carrasco
It's not unreasonable to charge people according to the cost of carrying them & their luggage, whether or not you also offer to sell them custom sized seats, but it's probably a money losing scheme once you factor in people's resentment of it. Given a choice between equitable treatment and just treatment, people generally choose whichever benefits them more.
- Seth
Obsese people wouldn't get larger seats for their expensive tickets, they would get more fuel for their flight. Bigger seats are available right now; it's called first class.
- Micah Sittig
Racist comments during Wayne Sutton/Corvida Interview - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Click through this to see more of the spewage. It was atrocious.
- Louis Gray
Don't be afraid to "Like" this, I won't be offended.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
lol
- Cee Bee
like = 'was shocked by'
- Phil G
this is just sad. Where do people pick up these ideas anyway?
- Rahul Das
i was in the room , some really nasty stuff went on , should be some sort of report to Y 'Live made
- johnpiercy
I think that it's great that the racist asshats and pot stirrers provoke good conversation among the majority of the rational people that need to discuss these sensitive and painful issues in a meaningful manner.
- Mark Forman
It's difficult to even read this stuff. Don't have anything substantial to add...Just wanted to join the chorus of the sane condemning this kind of disgraceful behavior.
- Lon Harris
from twhirl
Unbelievable. What year is this?
- jonn
I want to start a non profit that takes donations and gives the money to hitmen to kill people associated with racist organizations, child molesters, etc. That would be pretty sweet.
- The Kid
I had racist slings thrown at me my whole life - from chink, chigger, mutt, gook, etc al. It's sad that people act like that but most of the time it stems from fear - ie: fear of the unknown (because of our still segregated society).
- George Smith
And there is nothing that will change these guys' minds. They live their little anonymous lives, fearful of anything that doesn't fit into their little world, creating things to hate so they don't have to look at themselves too much. Ugh.
- Hutch Carpenter
Just showing support. We need more buttons than 'like.'
- sergiooo
Shey: Thanks for saying that, else I would have been v reluctant to 'like' something I vehemently disagree with
- Sally Church
Violence is not helpful, escalating the inflamatory language isn't helpful, it's how ignorant things get said. I agree with Mark F that rational discussion is important but also note that the people who we'd like to behave differently are not rational and aren't interested in discussion. That's why a lot of people dismiss the wackos and try to be good examples. The best way to respond to ignorance(i feel) in the long term is to not prove the stereotypes right.
- sergiooo
I got nothing. .... nothing. *disgusted*
- Yolanda
A small, heartening counternote: @owillis honors an American hero who gave up his job rather than honor the racist Jesse Helms. http://snurl.com/2w805
- Michael Markman
Like Youtube Yahoo! Tends to attract the lowest common denominator. It's just awful that they were ambushed like that.
- Steve Spalding
mioNews now has keyboard shortcuts! They will be documented soon, but the keys are: j/k for next/prev entry, shift-n/shift-p for next/prev item on the left-hand-side, r to toggle read/unread state, s to share, c to comment, l to like, h to hate, and o to open the entry in a new window. Enjoy!
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When adding a friends folder the comments window pops up whenever I use 'c' in the name (same with share and 's')
- pb30
pb30 - can you tell me what browser you're using?
- Patrick Lightbody
Nevermind, I just figured out the problem. We're pushing the fix live now.
- Patrick Lightbody
Great news Patrick.
- Jon Erickson
If you HAD to choose between blogging and micro-blogging, which would it be?
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I'm gonna think outside the box and choose telegraphy!
- Chrimmus Tad
blogging
- Bwana ☠
Blogging. Fits my personality better.
- Hutch Carpenter
Blogging. I don't like the choice though.
- Michael C. Harris
Please define-blogging and microblogging? Why must we choose. They are both talking but in different ways.
- Mark Forman
I micro-blog and blog haha Plus, there's the "read more after jump" option for people who don't like lengthy posts...
- Mona Nomura
easy - "microblogging" - b/c I can always write in journals or email... but Twitter rocks my world.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Writing.
- Kirk Kittell
etching with silver nitrate.
- Nathan Eckenrode
blogging
- AJ Kohn
I would say blogging, because I count micro-blogging as just a subset of blogging. Meaning...I have really made no choice at all. I still get to do both :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Does FF participation count as micro-blogging? I participate in FF a lot more than my blog now. More convenient, easier to start a conversation and keep it going. No self-imposed timetable or post quota to keep up with to make sure enough people are interested in being part of my "audience" (it's built in with FF). Easier to interact with people and get more interaction back. Easier to find the answers to my questions. FF does all I really wanted out of blogging anyway.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
Blogging. But I do both.
- Chris Baskind
blogging
- Steven Hodson
Podcasts.
- Cote'
Don't make me choose! OK, I choose blogging.
- Summer
Only blogging+microblogging!
- Igor Poltavskiy
depends on my mood and what I want to say. it obv takes a lot less cognitive ability to microblog, but many more mainstream people read my blog.
- Philip Ryan Johnson
@Lindsay Yeah I definitely agree. FF takes away a lot of my time that I would spend doing other things, that's why I've significantly cut my usage over the past couple weeks.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
definitely would stay with blogging. I can live without things like Twitter.
- Rob Diana
Definitely blogging.
- Colin Walker
from fftogo
If had known micro-blogging / lifestreaming would reach this level, I probably wouldn't blog at all
- Charlie Anzman
I can always find time to micro-blog...
- Rachel Beer
Micro blogging == FF? If FF posts supported more length, formatting and inclusion of media then blogging would disappear for most people
- Brian Sullivan
blogging
- Sarah Perez
wait no - micro-blogging
- Sarah Perez
OMG - don't make me choose!
- Sarah Perez
Easy... blogging.
- Louis Gray
I don't think we have to or need to choose. Both are great for different things.
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
more and more I am falling towards the micro blogging side. I sometimes think I should just get rid of my traditional blog.
- (jeff)isageek
Since you did not mention IM, blogging, even though I do little of it, there are times a long public rant is needed for the psyche
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Micro blogging doesn't exist.
- Andru Edwards
98% of my blog's readers do not know what twitter is and they don't care. When I used twitter tools to publish an daily digest of my tweets, they hated it. So: The answer is Blogging.
- Rick Powell
I agree with Lindsay. Post directly to FF.
- Russellreno
ooh.. tough one.. blogging!
- Heidi Jeffers Thibodeau
microblogging. I could never keep my blog up to date
- Andy Wilkin
from feedalizr
I would microblog. Microblogging is easier, and it makes you look smarter to be able to say something insightful in only 140 characters.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Tell Obama: No Retroactive Immunity for Telecoms who Spied - http://my.barackobama.com/page...
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New policy -- when I want to post a link and Twitter is down, I'll post it on FF instead.
Mrsth, Chris Jones, Sarah Perez and 45 other people liked this
I have been using FF more and twitter less and I am liking it more
- Dave Gray
cool... i've got FF set as my start page right now
- Adam C.
if I could import from FF to Twittet it would be a perfect solution.
- Johnny Baker
JB, that would be easy to do.
- Dave Winer
Dave, why not skip Twitter entirely. With FriendFeed you can choose a cool graphic to go with your link. You can't do that with Twitter. Really FF is a superior platform.
- Thomas Hawk
I actually prefer to post links on Friendfeed. On Friendfeed, I don't have to use a URL shortener.
- Morton Fox
jump to the end: post to FF first. these days it seems you'd be right more often than you are not...
- Russell Holliman
Thomas it's the people. There are a lot of people who use Twitter who don't use FF. It's only geeks here near as I can tell. I don't think the people here are all that interested in some of the things I'm interested in. And there are a lot more idiot Republicans here. I like intelligent people and there aren't too many smart folk who are willing to admit to being Republican these days. So you're pretty much left with the slimedogs. Present company excepted of course. :-)
- Dave Winer
I'd go FF first. Most conversations of value based on the link will happen here anyway.
- Duncan Riley
I'm using FF differently than Twitter. I follow many fewer here and am being followed by many fewer. I like the intimacy, talking mostly with people I actually know in most cases. At Twitter I have many followers and use it to get more viewership of a new blog post.
- shelisrael1
You can always post on twitter first, and import it in ff.
- Jacob
why would you want to post to twitter directly?
- Sean Savage
Duncan and Thomas have it right. You always have the option of using Twitter but participating in Friendfeed returns more. I use both as many do (but hide and just occasionally look at the Twitter posts to avoid overload). It's getting better each week. Simply a matter of how YOU choose to set it up.
- Charlie Anzman
I have advanced degrees and an IQ of 135; I've been a highly successful educator at both the secondary and collegiate levels. But because I identify with the Republican party, I'm an idiot according to Dave Winer.
- Gregory Pittman
from fftogo
Gregory... That extra 4 points I have on you in the IQ stakes must be the part that accounts for sarcasm, humor and the ability to know that generalisations are rarely accurate...
- Johnny Worthington
@John - or the part that does reading comprehension, since Gregory obviously failed to parse "a lot more", "not too many", and "pretty much".
- Jeremy Raines
watch out, this policy made me fell in-love with FriendFeed...
- Orli Yakuel
Enjoy! Some Hebrew Love. http://tinyurl.com/6jwkf6
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Cool. That way Twitter can stay up. ;-)
- Vic Podcaster
idiot republicans? slimedogs? Even though I'm a democrat I find broad sweeping statements like that to be problematic. I'd like to think that I'm more open minded than that. I also think that politics are not the only thing to talk about in the world and think that gauging someone's intelligence or the value of their conversation by their political party affiliation is, well, pretty idiotic.
- Thomas Hawk
Getting back to the subject, why not start posting here first anyway?
- David Weiner
Thomas is one of an ever-decreasing number of people from all points of the political spectrum for whom disagreement on issues doesn't degrade to personal attacks. Thomas and I might disagree on what the problems are and what the solutions to those problems are, but we would be able to have a valuable conversation. I appreciate that very much.
- Gregory Pittman
I usually do it on both.
- Thejesh GN
it's funny how Americans can feel in their stomach being part of Rep or Dems, when the whole world knows deep in their stomach that there is not a glinch that diferentiate both parties a part from the color of the tie, i'm not saying we are better in Europe or elsewhere, i'm saying we're all screwed,
- Ben Borges
@Ben yeah democracy sucks that way... naturally breeds moderate points of view
- Rubin Sfadj
Good policy! I'm starting to followthat too.
- Shannon Low
from twhirl
is it still democracy ? i'v seen bush with a "christian cruz" on his back while speaking on tv, (terrorist) for me it's middle age democracy.
- Ben Borges
I am trying to do this too, but my friends aren't actively using FF yet.
- Michelle Lentz
Starting on FriendFeed today. Put me down as an AFTU (Another Frustrated Twitter User).
- Michael E. Rubin
I'm using ping.fm to do this.
- Gary Walter (gwalter)
that's been my policy of late...i can't even follow ppl on twitter today
- Sarah Perez
I actually prefer to use Twitter for less important messages and FriendFeed for stuff when I want to generate conversation. The idea behind my logic is that some people, to reduce the noise, block all tweets, as they consider tweets less important. I agree with these folk, so I use Twitter for stuff that they're probably not interested in.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
from NoiseRiver
Megen and I just watched Super Size Me; and are promptly headed out for a walk
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I didn't eat much fast food, but after watching this I haven't eaten ANY since: 3+ years and going.
- AJ Kohn
Haven't eaten at McDonald's since seeing this a few years back.
- Mark Trapp
loved that movie. A real eye opener.
- sean808080
Best part is when he stops eating the stuff, then he begins to feel really bad, then he eats some and feels awesome. Telling, eh? I still love the food, but try not to eat it.
- Jim Kukral
from twhirl
He did a real number on his heart and liver eating only MickeyD's for a month and I recall it took him about 9 months to get his health back to normal.
- Larry Kless
Excepting In-N-Out, I haven't eaten fast food in a decade.
- Adam Lasnik
The price of an Amazon Kindle just went down to $359. If they lower the price by another $160 then I'll consider getting one.
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Diversion: Cycle Climbing, the McMurdo-South Pole Highway, etc.: Many moons ago I wrote a piece for Men.. http://paul.kedrosky.com/archive...
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Eight Years of Epic Fail - http://www.balloon-juice.com/...
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I am sure we will see many top ten Shrub disasters. There is no question that this was the worst administration in our history.
- Jon Erickson
Tue, Jul. 01 Electoral Vote Predictor Obama 317 McCain 221 - http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008...
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Nikon D700 DSLR Official: D3's Big Sensor In a Smaller Body for $2999 - http://gizmodo.com/5020929...
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Looks like I may have to switch platforms.
- Jack Baty
from Bookmarklet
do you shoot Canon? come to the dark side!
- Karl Swedberg
from twhirl
Outstanding, but now I have to make the decision to drop all of my Olympus lens and start over with Nikon. This is the body that I have been waiting for.
- Jon Erickson
Yep. Lots of Canon stuff. Until the latest round of Nikon stuff I hadn't even considered switching. That D3 sensor is awesome by the looks of things
- Jack Baty
McCain in 2003: Military Service Not Required for Presidency - http://thinkprogress.org/2008...
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No-Contract iPhone Found in AT&T Press Release - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r...
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I confess I've mostly moved over to FriendFeed. http://friendfeed.com/leolapo... - it's busier but lends itself better to conversation.
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I pulled the trigger. Sorry Twitter.
- Leo Laporte
I've added friendfeed to my social web, but I'm not giving up on Twitter yet. Thank goodness for Flock and ping.fm
- Steve Burton
looking forward to your conversations over here Leo.
- Thomas Hawk
I like the idea of friendfeed - but the simplicity of twitter is its appeal. I wonder where Pownce and Jaiku will sit in this msg evolution
- dann weatherhead
I have a feeling that this time things gonna better than the Jaiku move.
- Du Senyao Peter
i havent been able to make the move - are there twitteriffic-like apps for FF as well? that would help my jump...
- Andy Beach
I think twitter's UI is better and I wish there was something like twitterrific out there
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
This is funny, I just signed up for a twitter account. With what appears to be a mass exodus from twitter to other services, is there any point in me building up a network over there?
- Eddy Cole
I want to make FF part of my routine, but it's just so damn cluttered -- plus I don't see any mobile integration yet. It's almost there, but it just needs a little more work to really take the Twitter throne
- Noah Mittman
I remain a bit grumpyabout FF; I cannot shake the feeling that I am only here because Twitter failed me so many times. Anyway, here I am!
- sage brennan
from twhirl
Andy, try twhirl
- Graham Garland
The busy UI and lack of users put me off. Perhaps if it didn't try and link in with Twitter it would be easier to follow?
- Oli from the-iBlog
from fftogo
I have left twitter also, but now use Plurk. With the newly added search, I can find conversations about just about any topic.
- Jon
I am really liking FF for conversations. I like Twitter for status/presence updates. Isn't that what is was designed for? Want to know where I am, and what I am having for lunch? Check Twitter. Want to know what I am interested in and reading? Check Friendfeed.
- Sean Brady
Glad to see you over here in FF Leo!! welcome! BTW twitter pulled their own trigger - no guilt with that....just remorse
- Susan Beebe
If Twitter had a closed beta to better manage scaleability, but at a const of having a large user base, would it be as big as it is?
- maxim shevertalov
from twhirl
Is that it Leo you are off Twitter ? , ok kids grab the life jackets
- NA76
Leo, what is your preferred way of FriendFeeding? Post once via Twitter and resume the conversation via FF or some other way?
- Alexander Kucera
Leo, you are so fickle! I think you have TADD...Technology Attention Deficit Disorder. :)
- BISQ
Yeah, it's almost like Jaiku!
- Randal Schwartz
Welcome to the darkside
- Dave Peck
I'm trying that move too. A lot of info to sort so far
- Michael Leis
from twhirl
Leo, I violently agree. I think reliability is the killer asset.
- shelisrael1
I've done the same. Twitter is dead to me. LOL :P
- Grant Gochnauer
I just created a FF account too. It's a shame. I love Twitter.
- Matthew Vaughan
I don't get the big Hoopla. FriendFeed is a Commenting System and a Medium to get Content on. Twitter is a Messaging system. Sure you can (pressed enter here accidentally) 'switch over', but really, Twitter could be thought to be something completely different than friendfeed
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
I'd like to see more of my twitter friends using a "lifestream" commenting system like FF, or see Twitter turn reliable and then add a better threading system for replies.. but until someone gets their act together I am happy using something that has the capability to do very similar things. So I'm happy to be caught up in the current migration toward a meme that works. Update: and one that is editable;-)
- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
i had to disconnect for a few months due to family health issues , missed it , but Im back on it now , friendfeed seems to be the "watercooler" now
- johnpiercy
Eddy Cole, the services are completely different. Try them both out. Many people, myself included, use both services. For some reason people want to make this a contest between Twitter and FF.
- Mike Doeff
@Mike thats what I've been trying to say, Twitter is a messaging service, FF is a Aggregator/Commentor. Very, Very Different
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
thanks Graham - I had no idea twhirl support FF as well!
- Andy Beach
@Mike, thanks. I'll give both a shot and see what happens.
- Eddy Cole
Chacha, totally agree. Baffles me why people continue to compare apples to oranges on this. This blog post is worth reading... http://www.winextra.com/2008...
- Mike Doeff
I am in the conversion process. And actually what it seems is that you don't have to abandon twitter, FF will just post for you
- Edward
I found myself doing this a couple weeks ago. Every time I wanted to go to twitter it was down, so I just started using ping.fm to post, and following all my feeds of FF. I agree with the ease of conversation on FF.
- Melissa Goetsch
FF definitely has some nice advantages over Twitter (or probably more over Jaiku for that matter) which people with tons of scattered content can benefit from. On the other hand there are still tons of features I'd love to see added here (esp. on an API level). In the meantime, FF just has to hit the web-mainstream ;-)
- Horst Gutmann
I would like FF a lot more if it pulled in my friends from other services. As of right now, all it really seems to do is aggregate my lifestream. I'm too lazy to manually add each rss feed to FF, and there's no way my friends are going to sign up for FF, after it was a giant PITA to get them to sign up for twitter.
- Austin Brown
Is there an iPhone client for FriendFeed? I do alot of messaging on the go.
- Robert Hafer
from twhirl
you have inspired me to check out FF too .. so far - I likey! Thanks Leo!
- Jenz
Robert: fftogo.com
- Andy Lewandowski
from twhirl
http://FFtogo.com was created by Benjamin Golub - a fellow FriendFeed user, who also created http://RSSmeme.com
- Susan Beebe
"but lends itself better to conversation.” could you quantify with your own experience as to what it means "Bettter conversation" ? We first had blogs /RSS , twitter , wownce which all seems to raise the bar on the converational index.. but what do you mean "better to conversation" wrt to FF ?
- Peter Dawson
On Leo! One! Chaud devant! --french people will understand ;-)
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
@Austin That is what imaginary friends option in FF is for. You can add most of the services. There are several guides, linked to in this very thread and others available by googling that give you the info you need to set it up so they can have the freedom of using twitter, etc... and let you have the option of moving.. It doesn't have to be a competition between FF and Twitter. But if...
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- Curtis "Billy" Cross
from twhirl
Yep just found someone I follow on FF, don't on Twitter, and I thought, what's the point of following them on Tw? 8-\
- Brian Carter
btw Leo, you gotta read this too -- http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Peter Dawson
@Brian Carter was that person me ;) ? I think this weekend showed how friend feed can fill the void of being connected and following the thoughts of those who we have grown to trust online. Since then, I have noticed that the traffic on twitter (at least for me) has gone down significantly by the people I was following and didn't really know in person or know well. My inner circle are still using twitter and the mobile factor is still huge. The real question is can I still be active on FF while at work.
- Andrea Baker
Reasons desktop app for friendfeed is not as usable as webpage: 1. usually quicker to navigate high volume on web page. 2. desktop app will surely be chasing new functionality (i.e. retwitter comment feature on FF web but not in twhirl).
- Boris Gordon
from twhirl
Thank you, Andy
- Robert Hafer
hey Leo, you should try Friendfeed in Twhirl, just click on the Twhirl logo and add Friendfeed as a new account, already 5% of all the comments there
- Loic Le Meur
try identi.ca
- Tyler Gillies
I just wish FF had a way to dynamically collapse conversations for clear view of post titles. And then selectively expand the comments to see that conversation. It would be like a dynamic feed reader.
- Ernie Oporto
The Day The Music Died - Don McLean on Buddy Holly's crash - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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never knew it was about Buddy Holly; always liked the Big Bopper. whenever I hear the 'drove my car to levy' I think of Teddy Kennedy - I know strange reference.
- clarke thomas
I remember this. I was a kid and my dad managed Buddy Holly at the time, also did legal work for the Big Bopper. For our family it was quite a shock. My dad lost a big client.
- Francine Hardaway
@Francine - that's so cool! Not the crash, but your dad working with Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper.
- Mark Dykeman
I'm steering people to FriendFeed, can't help it. My discussions are happening there. And bonus: It pisses off Steve Gillmor. :-)
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will be waiting for your friends when they come. I guess that is why they call it friendfeed. you bring 'em, and I eat
- Noah David Simon
@TheAnalysis Shut up you Flaming Troll
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Bonus points are good.
- Russellreno
Organization matters.
- Steve Rubel
yeah... I find it a little amazing that I've blogged for 3 years to little effect but I've had amazing conversations here on friendfeed. I love it.
- Stefan Hayden
Stefan: Same here.
- Russellreno
FriendFeed seems like a great place to converse, if only more people used it and the UI was more refined. Twitter+FF+IM=Viable?
- Kawika Holbrook
I have little if any complaints about the UI... I love it.
- Stefan Hayden
Is Jason using Loren to hurt Israel to get at you?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Dave, glad to see you on FriendFeed, it is great having your feedback here on things.
- Thomas Hawk
Igor, no -- I think it's about Scoble. I don't really know Shel very well, met him a few times over the years. JC's complaint with me appears to be that I wrote a bad review of Mahalo. If something else is bothering him, I wish he'd say what it is, without all the BS about meds, and mental hygiene and puppets. It's really unbecoming of a CEO who wishes to be taken seriously. When have you seen a CEO behave this way -- in public?
- Dave Winer
I personally do not see Mahalo as a viable search engine, even though Scoble claims it is to replace Google. SEOmoz Rand Fishkin called Scoble's opinion on search engines moronic! I grew up in the same neighborhood as Jason around the same people, so I know his ways. Nothing new! Give him a CEO title but he is still a Gumba!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I grew up in NY long before JC was even a zygote -- and I don't think it's tough to hire a comedian to taunt people. It's like hiding behind your mothers' skirt. I think he's a child, a baby, very immature. Not a tough guy. Not even slightly tough.
- Dave Winer
I'd spend way more time on FF if I could change the unreadable light-grey-text-on-white format. It kills my eyes. The conversations may be good, but the UI is horrid
- Lucretia Pruitt
@geekmommy - greasemonkey script? custom CSS? you can change the UI if you're really determined. :-)
- Dossy Shiobara
Well, we can get Massad after him! All it takes is one email. lol
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ok Dave nice I see the picture clearly. When Loren first came out with criticism of Shel it was valid because of how Shel did the video interview, it was inane. So Loren goes making fun of Shel, which was funny at first. I told Learn enough, chill out. WTF you want from the guy, So he blocked me on Twitter, and then on FF. Loren is a real Tool. Did Jason get him, probably yes, the guy is sponsoring him.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Shel is not really a fighter and does not know how to stand up for himself, which is sad, because you need to have steal balls to deal with this guerrilla warfare. I say best thing keep all of this out in the open and let the community decide. People are not blind, they know who is sincere and who is a Flaming Troll like Loren.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
LOL!!
- Susan Beebe
I hear you it is Fascism! But I do not trust Scoble solution to enforce the Internet. Since when we trust Government? http://friendfeed.com/e... I want the Internet to belong to the People. By the people for the people.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
We as technological leaders of the Internet can police ourselves against a few bad apples. Remember it is the Internet Global Village.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
TechnoFascism. Shel Israel can play the role of Evita. Scoble is the new Juan Peron. Jason Calacanis as Benito Mussolini. Mike Arrington as Francisco Franco and starring the Shel Israel Puppet as Adolf Hitler!
- Dave Winer
I'm auditioning for the role of Leon Trotsky, hiding out in Mexico City.
- Dave Winer
Dave, you are being sardonic here. Scoble scares me the worse! He has young people following him blindly as if he is a demigod.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
yeah you must of seen my video. look at it this way @DaveWiner, I mean Trotsky. you get to f#(% a mustachioed woman named Frida http://www.seesmic.com/video...
- Noah David Simon
Scoble is now forming national technology policy. Scary. Dave, watch your back. Somebody took a hammer to Trotsky's head in mexico. Always bet on the stalinists -- they're not threatening at all, just simple agrarian reformers ;)
- Oldengrey (Jay)
we need to see more of this from A-listers. If you move your conversation here, your followers will follow suit.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Yeah Leon died a horrible death but as Noah says he got to do Frida before that. :-) On second thought maybe Scoble should be Stalin.
- Dave Winer
wow... @DaveWiner on the Anti-Scoble movement now too? I'm getting pissed. I started that.
- Noah David Simon
Frida would of been fun,Trotsky best of all the reds. Diego 1of da best artists there ever was. What a triangle
- Noah David Simon
Don't think Diego cared strangely. I'll play Diego
- Noah David Simon
I love Scoble! Come on who wouldn't want to play the role of Stalin in Tech Goes Fascist. He gets to blow up the swastika on top of the Reichstag! What could be more fun?
- Dave Winer
Marc Canter gets to play Baby Huey in the cartoon at Intermission. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Dave Winer
I'll just be Pancho Villa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Che Guevara would be fine as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I left out Steve Gillmor. Hmmmm. I think he plays Howard Cosell and interview Loren Feldman who plays Joe Frazier to Shel Israel as Mohammed Ali. Feldman just sits there dumb and has no idea what to say while Ali messes him up. When they get in the ring Ali plays rope-a-dope. That's what hell will be like for Feldman.
- Dave Winer
So who plays George Foreman? And Don King?
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
u do realize I'm friends with Feldman's girl? I'm not taking sides here. I don't know Loren.... but I thought it was funny
- Noah David Simon
maybe I don't know Israel. has Loren made any ovations to include Shel and become friends?
- Noah David Simon
Loren's puppet could help if Shel joined Loren. Chevy Chase became good friends with Gerald Ford years after he mocked him.
- Noah David Simon
WHY! Why like this when its 5 days old
- Tyler (Chacha)
from twhirl
Oh, dang. I mis-liked. Srsly. *shrug* Oops.
- Ken Kennedy
The First Amendment says you have the right to say (almost) whatever you want. But it doesn't say anyone has to listen.
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Amen to that!
- Robert Clockedile
from Alert Thingy
Just curious....why did you say "almost"?....The first amendment doesn't use that word. It simply says "or abridging the freedom of speech."
- Chris Rossini
Second amendment says I can carry a gun in D.C.
- Matt
God Bless America.
- Thomas Hawk
I think the almost is because there are things you can say that can be hurtful to the reputation of another. I think they call it libel?
- Mike Wills
Or anywhere else for that matter. http://x.newsjunk.com/0CY
- Dave Winer
huh? speakup please! I can't hear you!
- Marc Canter
It also doesn't provide a right to venue, or say that free speech ='s anyspeech. You can say what you want, but it may get you in trouble.
- Scott Bannon
from twhirl
of all forms of speech, satire has perhaps been given the widest berth of all. Satire even trumps copyright law which is why Weird Al Yankovic can make a song like "Eat It." Even though it clearly steals from the original artist. Libel is an exception to free speech as you mention Mike, but satire is typically protected even from libel suits. Satire may be the most free speech of all.
- Thomas Hawk
but Dave's right, doesn't mean anyone has to listen. And an awful lot of people tune out Howard Stern for what he has to say every single day.
- Thomas Hawk
Why not listen? It is good to hear differing ideas, even if you don't agree. Not listening is a form of arrogance as far as I am concerned. If you don't listen, how can you judge the merit of anything?
- Michael Tefft
... along with Don Imus... or should be.
- Mike Wills
Of course, we should try to listen when we can. But that's the best you can do. And if people try to offend or abuse other people, there's no law that says you have to listen. Yesterday Jason raised the First Amendment -- there was no need to, no one said these guys don't have a right to say what they want. But no one is forcing us to listen either. That's an important part of the discussion as well.
- Dave Winer
It's a free marketplace of ideas; everyone's free to ignore you.
- Ryan Sholin
True that, BUT listening might alert you to who's ready to take over in the middle of the night after falling asleep wearing those noise-canceling gadgets.
- phil baumann
this might be true Mel, but the chaos of over-stimulation can be a powerful inspiration to make and create art. And for me, creating art is perhaps the highest calling of all. Sometimes out of chaos comes the best art of all.
- Thomas Hawk
from fftogo
The text doesn't have an "almost" - nor does it have an if, and, or but. In fact, the constitution is rather black and white on whether I should be able to say "Shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits" on the radio - but the Supreme Court has magically found those exceptions every time it's ruled on obscenity though. Slander/Libel/shouting "fire" are a different sort of case because it directly infringes on others' rights and does quantifiable damage.
- Eric P
Yes, what Thomas says...
- Mary Anne Davis
Pinned to Jack Kerouac's wall to inspire his writing: "Art is the highest task and the proper metaphysical activity of this life."-Nietzsche
- Thomas Hawk
You bastards with a written constitution. No fair!
- Chris Nixon
Jason raised the First? Why? Has Congress threatened to get involved? How is the First relevant in any way?
- Anthony Citrano
McCain: If the election was tomorrow, GOP would lose - http://rss.cnn.com/~r...
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Hmmmm... the new guy in charge of Flickr at Yahoo Scott Dietzen uses SmugMug to host the photos on his personal weblog. Not saying there's anything wrong with this, just interesting is all. http://www.dietzen.com/
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Hmmm.
- Russellreno
Interesting... gotta try out the competition I guess.
- Mike Wills
Here is Scott Dietzen's Flickr account. http://www.flickr.com/photos... It doesn't look like he's played around with Flickr much in the past which worries me a tad now that he's running it. I just made him my friend on Flickr. We'll see if he reciprocates, right now he only has one contact on the whole site.
- Thomas Hawk
Valleywag material?
- Mike Doeff
Oh... that can't be good then.
- Mike Wills
Interesting... it doesn't sound good though, not at all.
- Mirko
Maybe Valleywag material. I don't read the rag anymore though. They lie too much.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, I think the Flickr group will report up to Dietzen but it looks like Kakul Srivastava will be the general manager of Flickr. http://blogpost.counterjumper.com/2008...
- Mike Doeff
Dietzen's personal website does not inspire confidence
- Rafael Robayna
Here is Kakul on CrunchBase http://www.crunchbase.com/person... . If you look on the left you'll see that she has the General Manager title, although the profile still has her as Senior Director of Product Management.
- Mike Doeff
yes, of course, Kakul runs Flickr. She's got Stewart's old job. I was more interested in who she would be reporting up to.
- Thomas Hawk
... and for what it's worth, Stewart Butterfield called Kakul his "Hero" http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mike Doeff
It's kind of ironic that you pointed this out, Thomas ;-)
- Dave Roth
Is there anything cool in SmugMug that might/should get brought over into Flickr, features wise?
- Gary
Well, you are the ceo of Zooomr and .... :P
- Kreg Steppe
It could be seen as a positive. If he currently prefers another site, maybe he will drive improvements at flickr. As pointed out, it is ironic that it is you who brings this up ;)
- CJPhoto
@Gary: Smugmug has a ton of stuff that Flickr doesn't - better privacy controls, better image protection with more fine grained control over that, better layouts, it accepts bigger photos, lets you sell prints for a profit, domain name mapping, and you can customize to your hearts content. That said Flickr is more community/sharing oriented, Smugmug is a better product for pros, so I don't know if all those features would fit in at Flickr.
- Eric P
I haven't used SmugMug enough yet to fully offer an opinion. Their reputation for customer service, however, is outstanding. I had trouble uploading some photos there but I've yet to really give it a go. I love Zooomr and especially the smaller community there. I think Flickr has the best photo sharing site on the web today though and am heavily invested in it from an emotional standpoint.
- Thomas Hawk
I doesn't bother me at all that Dietzen uses SmugMug to host his own personal photos while ultimately overseeing Flickr. I'm more concerned that he may not fully understand all the ins and outs of how to make a photo sharing site better or share the passion that some of us have for photo sharing in general. Flickr is a terribly important property for far more than economic reasons.
- Thomas Hawk
looks like his design skills are like hm, eh, not available?
- Kai Müller
I'd be more worried if he didn't have any photos. I think it's healthy for people to use the competition's products. It shows that they're open to ideas outside their company and won't overlook the features that make the competition useful. The alternative is for them to follow Ballmer who insists that his family can't use any Apple products.
- Adewale Oshineye
Eric - Thanks for the SmugMug comparison. I'm still trying to figure out how to share photos. I faved a few of Scott's photos. Loved the water & wildlife shots. Hope he improves Flickr - the interface SUCKS. It's really difficult to find & use features in Flickr. As a new Flickr user, I'm getting lost, and very important features are hard to find (like how to "make someone a contact" -...
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- Mitchell Tsai
ROFL!!
- DC Crowley
from twhirl
Ok, this is getting a lot more interesting. I've been emailing back and forth with the VP of Corp. Communications at Yahoo, Jennifer Stephens Acree, for the past few hours. Dietzen is not in charge of Flickr, Tapan Bhat is. Tapan Bhat reports up to Ash Patel. Working on a whole different angle for this story. We'll see how it unfolds.
- Thomas Hawk
The plot thickens.
- Mike Doeff
I have to be sensitive about my users' expectations about privacy, but let's just say that there are other VP+ Yahoos (and Googlers and ...) execs using us. I'm not surprised, and I don't think it's a big deal, just saying this is hardly unique. We have Flickr users at SmugMug, too. :)
- Don MacAskill
Don, that doesn't surprise me. You guys offer a good service for hosting and sharing your photos. Still, it does surprise me how little Yahoo execs seem to be using Flickr. It would be my hope that maybe a bit more "dogfooding" as they like to say up in Redmond might be going on with Yahoo execs at Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Flickr excels at the online social elements of photo sharing. I'm not sure Yahoo execs really get social software (their failures are numerous), so I would bet there's a correlation here. They don't want to use it because they don't get it - which, in turn, means they fail when they try to build it. Sad, really.
- Don MacAskill
hmmmm.. this is interesting. This story is now picking up interest by the mainstream press and I'm getting more information out of Acree. Working on another post on this whole thing right now.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, but Scott could have had his smugmug long before he even joined YHOO, Maybe Scott should speak out NOW , else tis going to be bad for the Flickr team /yhoo.. Once the MSM pick it up, there is no stopping the snowball.. regardless of his personal reason and nothing technically is wrong with hosting personal pics on smugmug !
- Peter Dawson
Honestly, I'm not sure what the problem is. People at Yahoo search on Google all the time. Likewise, plenty of Googlers use Yahoo Finance. Is that so crazy? And Yahoo vs Google is a storied rivalry. I don't think Flickr or SmugMug considers each other rivals in anything other than the broadest sense of the word.
- Don MacAskill
Scott was the CEO at Zimbra, before that the CTO at BEA, and before that the head of product management for Web Logic. He practically invented the concept of the J2ME Application Server. Say what you will about J2ME, figuring out how to package those technologies into a product was quite a feat. So was Zimbra. He came into Yahoo when they aquired Zimbra. Getting Scott I'm sure was a big part of the appeal of acquiring Zimbra.
- Tom Conrad
Ok, posted my follow up post to this story here: http://thomashawk.com/2008... Appreciate any thoughts or feedback. Thanks for your thoughts on the matter as well Don.
- Thomas Hawk
SmugMg has good customer service too- I remember Don stepping and engaged w/us when we cracked the privacy issue some time ago
- Peter Dawson
Given that he's uploaded 3 albums in the last 3 years, and he's worked at Yahoo for perhaps a year, I don't think it's too surprising that he seems not to be a flickr user. Not everyone is.
- j1m
30+ Must-Have Updated Firefox 3 Extensions - http://mashable.com/2008...
AJ Batac, Jon Erickson, donato and 6 other people liked this
amazed you missed the Web Developer toolbar, http://chrispederick.com/work...
- clarke thomas
you missed tree style tab. I think vertical tabs should be built in to firefox https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US...
- ahmet bulent
HAHAHAHA! #Toluu's 404 page is brilliant! http://www.toluu.com/404
Tim Hoeck, Mike Fruchter, Jon Erickson and 7 other people liked this
unfortunately, links to Toluu profiles often give me a 404 -- i end up having to copy and paste the link
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey: Do you find this happens most when you have been away from the site a while? Do you have your account as OpenID enabled?
- Caleb Elston
Caleb: It happens all the time, logged in or not. Yes, I use OpenID
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey: We are going to make some changes to the way we handle slightly off-kilter URLs so they don't error out, as well as clean up our OpenID redirection urls they can mess up their originating URL depending on the OpenID provider.
- Caleb Elston
Sounds good, thanks Caleb :)
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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