Don't forget the "28 days later" sequel. OH and an obscure movie called "I Capture the Castle" where I swear she was cast because she looked so much like Kate Winslet. AH! And we can't forget her *incredible* turn as Dorme in a very little known film "Star Wars: Episode II: Attack of the Clones." (OK, so I was kidding about that last one).
- thepete
I Capture the Castle is a movie?! Wow. gotta check that out. i loved the book.
- Trish Haley
"The star of Breakfast At Tiffany's and Roman Holiday was chosen ahead of modern stars including Angelina Jolie, Keira Knightley and Halle Berry. While blondes have more fun, brunettes appear to have more enduring appeal. Of the top 10 actresses, only three - Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe and Brigitte Bardot - are blonde. The poll of nearly 2,000 film fans put Hepburn in first place, citing her perfect bone structure and almond eyes. Jolie was second, although she was a favourite with younger voters, and Kelly was third. Nicola Moulton, beauty and health director of Vogue, said: "A great cinematic beauty by definition has to look amazing in motion, not just in pictures. Audrey Hepburn is clearly a timeless beauty explaining why she is the nation's choice, though a personal favourite of mine has always been Vivien Leigh - she was not only breathtakingly beautiful but had an astonishingly expressive face. "
- RAPatton
"Top 20 Most Timeless Beauties: 1 Audrey Hepburn 2 Angelina Jolie 3 Grace Kelly 4 Marilyn Monroe 5 Sophia Loren 6 Catherine Zeta Jones 7 Elizabeth Taylor 8 Keira Knightley 9 Halle Berry 10 Brigitte Bardot"
- RAPatton
"11 Julia Roberts 12 Vivien Leigh 13 Nicole Kidman 14 Cameron Diaz 15 Doris Day 16 Scarlett Johansson 17 Charlize Theron 18 Jennifer Aniston 19 Michelle Pfeiffer 20 Liv Tyler"
- RAPatton
The top 10 is pretty good, but the second 10 seems rather myopic
- RAPatton
I notice that the top ten could mostly be called voluptuous; calling all anorexic models; You'll never make it to the top ten if you starve yourself to bones!
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
friendfeed needs a superlike button.
- Thomas Hawk
"Long Exposure Photography is something that can take your breath away when you get it right. Here are some shots to get you inspired (plus some tips below the pics on these techniques)."
- Jonathon
from Bookmarklet
Hutch, that's wrong IMHO. Journalism is not what about this. I mean, that's just reporting witnessed facts nothing more... even the folks in the buildings (in the background) saw that plane. Sorry, I don't believe that This may be called "journalism"
- directeur
directeur: you're wrong. That is EXACTLY what journalism is.
- Robert Scoble
Robert definitely NOT! Why do people go to universities and schools? I could have been on that plane an twitted this, am I a journalist for having that "bad" chance? I don't think so
- directeur
directeur: journalists do NOT need to go to universities and schools. There is NO prerequisite of such to being a journalist. (I did go to journalism school at San Jose State University). Schools teach you law and how to do it better, but that's not a pre-requisite.
- Robert Scoble
directeur: to be schooled in traditional journalism. the old way.
- Chris Johnson
Chris: I've met plenty of professional journalists who never went to journalism school.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and directeur: Twitter is the reporter and Tweeters are the sources. As Twitter is coldblooded and unslanted (ideally) it's a better reporter than most college trained journalists. I could give a damn about good writing, I want truthful information.
- Matthew DeVries
Robert, and Chris, still not convinced sorry. Journalism is about ethics, art, and a science. That's not simply reporting things. Even reporters learn what to report and how to do it
- directeur
directeur: Consider the various purposes of journalism. One includes "witnessing facts" and reporting them. It need not be a complete story with word on where the flight data recorder is, and histories of US Airways flight safety. Simple pics like this provide a lot of info: intact, alive, where the passengers are currently, who is doing the rescuing, etc.
- Hutch Carpenter
directeur: you are so wrong. So so so wrong. Did you go to journalism school? I did and you have no clue. Journalism is the act of capturing and reporting the news. THIS is journalism.
- Robert Scoble
Sensationalist reporting of events is different than in-depth analysis of events, the history that caused them, and the impact they may have on the future. Unfortunately, both get lumped under "news," and that is a shame, but in my mind the latter is journalism, and describing a plane crash certainly is not.
- Nadine Schaeffer
I think there is an important distinction to be made here. Witnessing an event is not journalism. Journalism implies standards and professionalism. Let's not lose sight of standards as our methods of reporting change with the Web and citizens participating in news gathering.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
There are plenty of great artists who never went to art school, exceptional web developers with English degrees, and mathematicians & engineers who flunked high school.
- Tom Harrison
Nadine, Rod - if you see a write-up of the city council meeting in the paper, without in-depth analysis, what do you consider that?
- Hutch Carpenter
Robert, okay. You're right for I'm just a computer scientist and you surely know these things better than me. What I meant in fact is that "journalism" is more than reporting. that was my humble opinion
- directeur
Rod: bullshit. The only difference there is getting paid to capture the images.
- Robert Scoble
Hutch: News, not journalism, and a waste of paper at that :P
- Nadine Schaeffer
Robert: No i mean they go to university to learn the old outdated way of journalism. The old retired way! :)
- Chris Johnson
I would argue that *true* journalism is a simple, disinterested reporting of the facts. Too often, "journalists" give their own slant to stories (right and left) turning it into commentary, though still labeled as journalism. This guy truly is doing journalism.
- Joey Gibson
Rod - A credentialed journalist shoving a microphone in the face of a witness is however? I get the line you are trying to point out... but analysis is only a part of journalism... sometimes it is just showing what is happening.
- Brian Roy
directeur: That is ONE form of journalism, and we have been seeing that decline for years. I do like well written peices too ... but this is the way the world is going. There will be a place for both i think.
- Chris Johnson
Robert, so you think someone who covers tech can be called a journalist who accepts corporate sponsorship or owns stock in tech companies. No. There are journalistic standards, or there is no credibility.
- Rod Bauer
from twhirl
Directeur, consider the distinction between 'journalism' and 'journalist'. Journalism is an activity that anyone can engage in, just as anyone can engage in accounting, or play a game of soccer. A journalist usually refers to someone who does that for a living, but note that there is no requirement that they have received formal training. Some livelihoods do require formal training and certification, but others do not.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Rod Bauer: You are joking right??? You really think modern journalists (if that is what you can call them) are independent of corporate/government influence and that they have that level of ethics. come on ... what planet do you live on.
- Chris Johnson
Rod: Where does the advertising-support, often sensationalist evening news fall?
- Tom Harrison
As Chris said, there is a decline of true journalism, and it saddens me. All the tweets in the world do not make a single well written editorial from the New York Times or financial analysis from The Economist.
- Nadine Schaeffer
Chris. Standards are goals, and of course not all achieve them. Do you want to throw out standards? There are many corrupt politicians but do you want to stop holding them to a standard of honesty?
- Rod Bauer
But the point is that you need not be employed as a 'journalist' in order to engage in the activity called 'journalism'. As for the ethics and standards comments here, I will note that for the most part journalism does not have the attributes of a profession (such as a required code of ethics and a certification board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...), so it really is actually a trade.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Tom. There is lots of "journalism" that falls short. Far too much these days, and that is why journalism has such a bad rap now. It's a fucking hard business to get right. But that's why it is so important. Twitter is great for breaking news, but it doesn't replace standards, investigation, and seeking out other sides of the story.
- Rod Bauer
Rod: I certianly do think they should uphold a certian standard. I just dont see your link between being called a journalist and how that somehow implies a level of standards.
- Chris Johnson
I don't know if referring to them as "journalists" is right or wrong. But here's a thought. People who took these pictures, or tweeted this are sources. The role of the "journalist" in the old media isn't relevant - or has been eliminated here. The middle man/ moderator is gone. Sources reach the audience directly unfiltered - the audience (on twitter, FF) as a whole now consume, authenticate and validate the story.
- Kamath (नमः)
I would welcome a "citizen fireman" to help save my burning house, but I would prefer a professionally trained fireman with his/her knowledge and experience. I also would not first choose a "citizen doctor" a "citizen lawyer" or a "citizen airplane pilot."
- Rod Bauer
So although the folks who reported this *are* not journalists, what they did *is* actually journalism. Which leaves aside how well or poorly they did it.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael. I think the word "witness" suits this situation better than "journalist."
- Rod Bauer
Consider the following parallel: 'Publishing' vs. 'publisher'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Rod, sticking with verbs, he didn't just 'witness' this, he also 'reported' it. Would you be more comfortable with calling what he did 'reporting' rather than 'journalism'? It's a fuzzy line.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Michael is right. This guy was NOT just a witness. Witnesses watch. Journalists journal and report. This guy did journalism as good as any other out there. The only difference between him and a "pro" today is that a pro would have had a higher resolution camera. Absolutely no other difference.
- Robert Scoble
Or perhaps you would be more comfortable calling this 'photo-journalism' rather than 'journalism'.
- Michael R. Bernstein
I always carry a couple of cameras with me, even to the bathroom in my own house. Just in case something big happens, I want to be ready. Ready to Document the Disaster. Support the Survivors (via a record of events). and Sell the Story. once the all clear is given....I'm still pretty much disaster free and don't have too many pictures of people trapped under parking structures....so maybe i'll leave a camera behind next time....
- Morgan Haley
Michael. Your semantic distinction is valid and thought-worthy. My concern is primarily about standards and authority. Our problems in those areas have always been huge and the Web complicates them. Maybe the Web will make them better...I'm a Web guy, so I'm optimistic. I fear that in our rush to get news ultra-fast, we will throw out the best of what the guys in the newsrooms (the best of them) have been striving to refine in the name of "journalism."
- Rod Bauer
I applaud Morgan's diligence, but I hope he doesn't document any bathroom disasters.
- Kevin Fox
Rod, if you're a web-guy, then... what do you think of the distinction between 'programming' and 'programmer'? Do you support efforts to professionalize computer programming, up to and including professional certification, in order to promote standards and authority?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Morgan. LOL. The day you don't take the camera to the bathroom is the day the plane emergency lands on the roof and you end up with an airline hostess sitting in your lap.
- Rod Bauer
So historically... how much would the average professional news photographer make for taking this sort of shot, which now seems to be proliferating everywhere, mostly without attribution, let alone compensation?
- Ken Sheppardson
Absolutely amazing. What this illustrates most to me is that "people," regular "people" are realizing and understanding their growing influence in the media spectrum. This guy could have done nothing. He took the time to shoot it, and tell the story via Twitter---to share the story. He's obviously aware of the power of Twitter and other social media platforms. He has influence and has a voice---everyone does---but not everyone knows how to use it...but that's quickly changing.
- Jennifer Windrum
how will Janis Krums be compensated for news agencies using his image? does he give up rights when he publishes it to twitter?
- Neil Bernhart
Michael. They're not the same. Journalism has a social responsibility that doesn't exist in computer programming. In that sense journalism is closer to the practice of medicine. Journalism at any level can't escape social responsibility. In limited areas programming could benefit from certification (security, for example) but otherwise the term programming will also always apply to non-professional activity.
- Rod Bauer
TwitPic should grant Janis Krums stock immediately, BTW.
- Ken Sheppardson
Whoah. Rod, you are *so* wrong. I will give you counter examples from both trades: First, I don't think you'll find much social responsibility in the entertainment section of your newspaper. Second, what about the programmer responsible for working on the software that operates a pacemaker, nuclear reactor, or radiation therapy machine?
- Michael R. Bernstein
Great pic. As for "journalism", if I tell you it's partly cloudy, does that make me a meteorologist?
- Andrew Smith
Andrew: No, in the same way that telling me a plane just crashed doesn't make you a psychic. But both tasks make you a journalist of varying degrees.
- Kevin Fox
What's messed up is that I'm actually more nervous when I forget to bring a camera somewhere. What a geek huh? What a dorky wimpy chicken geek.
- Morgan Haley
Michael: a programmer needs *knowledge* and that knowledge is the "merit". Someone who reports doesn't need anything. Or maybe eyes and a mobile? (So, Poor blind folks without a mobile! vae victis)
- directeur
Kevin: I *knew* you were going to write that. <psychic/> :)
- Andrew Smith
Michale. There's a difference between a job having to meet standards because that job could affect society and a profession that has standards. Sure, a programming contract for a nuclear reactor has to meet standards, but programming in general doesn't. I disagree with you about the newspaper entertainment section. I've been a newspaper arts critic. Even though much of what I wrote was my opinion, I still felt (and was held to) standards of truth, accurate sources, etc. It is fuzzier tho', in those sections
- Rod Bauer
directeur: a journalist needs one thing: distribution. That used to be through newspaper, radio, TV. Today it's Twitter and friendfeed. That's one thing that separates "journalists" from "people with cameras." Lots of people probably took pictures today, but how many of their photos or videos have you seen? This guy understood how to get distribution. THAT is key today.
- Robert Scoble
Merriam-Webster clears things up: [http://www.merriam-webster.com/diction...] "1.c - an academic study concerned with the collection and editing of news or the management of a news medium" ... "2.b - writing characterized by a direct presentation of facts or description of events without an attempt at interpretation"
- MikeAmundsen
'Programming in general' is well on it's way to affecting more people than journalism, though. Traffic lights? Voting Machines? The guy who was paid to put back doors into voting machines? The developers *at* Twitter that made this story possible? Virus and other malware writers? Google? "Windows isn't done until Lotus won't run"? Whoever writes those horrible content filters installed...
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- Michael R. Bernstein
Actually, distribution is still newspaper, radio, TV. Most of the country and world have never heard of Twitter or FF. CNN.com would be a more appropriate web analogy.
- Nadine Schaeffer
So by definition from Mike 2.b "...without an attempt at interpretation" it was journalism right up to the point in the tweet where he says "Crazy".
- Andrew Smith
anybody can be in the right place in the right time and twitter a couple of sentences, maybe post a pic. do they deserve awards? hell no. doesn't mean they can actually write an article.
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: many a Pulitzer Prize has been won by someone who captured a world-changing photo that weren't professionals. During the earthquake in 1989 I handed a camera to someone who had never used one before and taught him how to shoot -- he made two award-winning photos that day that we ran on the front of the newspaper.
- Robert Scoble
a photographer and a journalist, i'm talking about writing a proper well thought out article. don't get me wrong, this might be a good way for some people to get into whether writing, or photography. but in the end he's going back to work tomorrow with just a lot of followers who will probably unfollow him in a few weeks time when he tweets like normal. this is a great way of getting news out, i grant you that but I don't know if a tweet entry is really worthy of a walkley award just yet....
- Terry O'Fee
Terry: well, I'm sure we will see one photo shared via the real-time web that will win a Pulitzer at some point. The Pulitzer committee doesn't care if you are a 'pro' or not. They just look at the impact your photo has on the world. Pulitzers get handed out because you were "there" and captured the right moment. Last year's winner: http://www.pulitzer.org/works... -- this photo taken today will certainly be considered.
- Robert Scoble
If there are indeed journalistic standards (cf. doctors and lawyers), where can I go to take the test?
- Mistletoe Glen
Glen: exactly. No test and no standards. This whole argument is bulls**t. If you journal and report news you are a journalist. Period.
- Robert Scoble
journalists get paid though. how is this leading you into a paying job, is what im trying to say..
- Terry O'Fee
In my mind what the people did on site is report. They reported what they saw and what happened. A journalist will now go take the time to interview the people, get the names right, find out what happened, stick with the story, and try to put the situation in some sort of context. Twitter etc will always be better at reporting. Journalism takes time and resources most people don't have, yet both can be done by anyone. Punditry is what most people end up doing in practice.
- Todd Hoff
exactly! telling the world is one thing. putting some effort into your work?
- Terry O'Fee
This photo was better than the ones cnn.com and bbc news online had three hours ago when I first saw this pic mentioned on twitter.
- Ian Fogg
Ian - I don't mean photography. Photography in news is a whole other kettle o' fish. (i just hope future news isn't taken on a shitty 2MP hypephone :P)
- Terry O'Fee
Terry - hadn't read your previous comments. I was just commenting on the photo itself (Friendfeed desperately needs threaded commenting to avoid this kind of crossed wires). What I like is the sense of being there, the fact that it was clearly taken very early on before the plane sunk in the water and most passengers had been rescued. The pro shots on cnn.com and BBC earlier looked like they were taken from high up from a helicopter or a tall building -> the photo journalists should have found a fast boat.
- Ian Fogg
oh, i agree with you. these phones these days (i mean good ones) can make some amazing pictures. my n95 has the same power as my normal camera :P
- Terry O'Fee
This is the end of an era. His health must be pretty bad at this point. I wish Apple would have just taken the "we don't comment on the health of our executives" position rather than lie and lie.
- drew olanoff
:( what can you do. the company has been doing it's best to prolong the inevitable. there shouldn't be any panic in the market.
- Faramarz Hashemi
This is certainly not a good sign for him. Apple will survive and likely thrive; he may not.
- Karoli
Last time he stepped down apple went to crap I hear, I'm not happy at all.
- orionstarr
Sold my stock momments after the announcement was made that he wasn't going to be at MacWorld. Got around $88.00 a share. Seems now to have been prudent.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Will he be resuming the CEO post then, or just sit on the board when he returns at the end of June?
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Steve's health isn't good -- anyone could see it. The exec moves over the past several months were removing contenders for the successor. Steve cultivated people with similar passions, but only one could win. Like Mac design. One ring to bind them all. It was Steve, now he won't be back.
- Mitch Ratcliffe
I hate to be cavalier, but my Mac is still running and my iPhone still works too... Time will tell if the board learned from what happened last time Steve left. WE should also be aware that the circumstances were VERY different last time.
- Brian Roy
so much for scoble's yogurt guy (ducking)
- Dave Winer
OK folks, lets all take a pill and calm down. While there is no reason to think Jobs won't be back, Apple will survive without him. To say that Apple is going to fail without him is an insult to all the creative, intelligent people at Apple who actually design and build the products.
- Kenton
CNBC says that the stock should reopen in extended trading in 10 minutes at 5pm EST.
- Thomas Hawk
There´s a rumour Jobs may be back in a white bionic iSuit already in March at 110% strength ! buy... buy my stock.. nah. ;) (Seriously hope he´ll recover though, whenever).
- Thomas Bøhm
Stock and geeky concerns aside, I gotta wish Jobs the best.
- Tom Landini
We have 5 months it install cut/paste in on the iPhone and develop a 2 button mouse, go go!
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew - when you're done can I have Flash? EDIT: Mona rightly points out that this was a tactless comment. Oops.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
@Kenton; Sure but the market will overreact, hence there's money to be made.
- Steven Cains
I agree with @Kenton, Apple isn't only Jobs.
- Thom Allen
For investment purposes, people have to assume he won't be back, because a week ago he said he wasn't going anywhere. But agree with Landini, I wish Steve a long healthy life.
- Mitch Ratcliffe
This and now "Kahn" died today? What is Geekdom coming to?
- Jared B. Luther
This man is ILL and you guys are discussing FLASH ON A PHONE? Are you KIDDING ME?
- Mona Nomura
This is the next move in a series of calculated plans to have Steve step down. 5 months will be permanent.
- Spencer
I think it has been pretty crummy how Apple has bene trying to hide this from investors, so now many of them are blindsided. I hope Steve recovers but frankly Apple needs to ditch him now... no one can trust anythign Apple says about him.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
Jobs become obsolete - Talent prevails (Ad on msnbc.com a couple of days back, truly not my words.)
- Tomi Itkonen
Damn. In the end this won't matter at all. Hoping for the best personally for His Jobness though!
- Mike Flynn
There is a time and place to discuss certain things. The thread is about Steve Jobs, his health, and him stepping down to go on medical leave. That is like going to a funeral and small talking about the person who passed away's funeral expenses. Disgusting and tactless.
- Mona Nomura
Apple stock opening now. Trading around 76.
- Thomas Hawk
On search.twitter.com/?q=Steve%20Jobs you can only go back to &page=100 (100 pages back chronologically) and the oldest tweet I could see had a link to Thomas' FF post right here where we're all commenting.
- Micah Wittman
gfurry: Were it anyone else, you could suspect the Vegan thing, because it's not easy and you have to be very smart and responsible to live a Vegan lifestyle and stay healthy, but Mr. Jobs has more money than god, he has top dieticians and cooks. It ain't the Vegan causing this.
- Matthew DeVries
Are you really asking for permission? Or looking to e-fight? -- rhetorical, which means you don't have to answer. Clearly you have no tact, so this conversation is done (from my end). Carry on.
- Mona Nomura
Mona, Chris Crocker, separated at birth? Have respect for the living, there's few things more rude than mourning someone who is ALIVE and well.
- Matthew DeVries
hector juarez, just what i was wondering. never bought stocks/shares before.
- Simon Wicks
Yep. $88.00 was a good price. I'll start buying at $50.00 right now. Offers?
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
I don't really worry about occasional dropped stocks. It will go back up again. We're in a recession anyway... the stock was naturally better in August.
- Tamar Weinberg
yikes. It's sad that one person could make or break a brand like this.
- Tsega Dinka
Tsega: it's not sad. It's human. I know Michael Jordan. How about Tiger Woods. Barack Obama? Superstars cause stuff to happen.
- Robert Scoble
That's why there is a "face of the company" position. I hope for a speedy recovery...
- Anthony Farrior
Here's the bothersome part: Yes the stock is down, yes his health is bad, but why isn't the SEC looking in to the blatant lies told by both? I don't think I'll believe anything Apple says for a long time after this.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Robert Scoble, Warren Buffett would be a better example, he is to Berkshire what Steve is to Apple. Even with a team of experienced leaders to succeed him, he's still the figurehead.
- Steven Cains
If a person is ill, but otherwise neurologically intact, does that really mean they can't make decisions anymore? Not in my professional opinion.
- Victor Ganata
it's probably good for Jobs that this news is out. Not having to hide his health anymore means that's one big stressful thing to be out from under. Hopefully now that this news is out he can distance himself a bit from the intense scrutiny I'm sure he's been under and work on getting his health back.
- Thomas Hawk
When someone's looking for directions your (whoever it belongs to) house via Google Maps, they're going immediately call up and ask if everything's alright. Perhaps they should visit another time.
- Andrew Trinh
How the hell does Chris just randomly find these image?
- Outsanity
It doesnt load for me! From 90 seconds fooling me by saying 'loading...' !! :(
- Jigar Mehta
isn't there a site that catalogs all of these Easter eggs?
- Josh Haley
@Andrew, my guess is that no one is visiting that house for a bit
- Marc Vermut
from Alert Thingy
GoogleMaps has been reading our Friendfeed and removed the image.
- Benedikt Koehler
The linked image may have been removed but all the images around it are still there!
- Arthur Guy
Next one over works (http://maps.google.com/maps...) It was on the list of new Google Street Finds yesterday, they all seem to have now gone MIA.
- cmiper
I was at an Apple Store yesterday and the employees are either really in the dark or are excellent actors! They were asking ME what was going on in Steve's keynote address! One thing they were adamant on telling me was they are not allowed to mention anything at all that was speculative until "the website has been updated."
- Glenn Batuyong
Of course, if you'd used IRC (BoingBoing's channel was good) or just listened to the live audio via Ustream, you'd have got the news faster. But then again, pretending things like that don't exist and hyping FriendFeed *again* is much easier, no?
- Ian Betteridge
the boogeyman checks his closet for friendfeed
- Tyler Gillies
I was on IRC too. Yeah, but FF had a greater number of news sources and was more usefull for a bunch of other things later.
- Robert Scoble
Was there news from Apple? We were beating Italy in soccer, isn't that way more important? ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
And once you add Duncan Riley's greasemonkey tabs ... why go anywhere else?
- Dan Covington
I used to work at apple in the web team and we did not know what was going to be announced, we would receive all the graphics for new machines minutes AFTER the keynote and then quickly had to scramble to get webpages up.
- Gerard van Schip
I was livestreaming the audio, refreshing engadget (for the photos) and following VentureBeat's FF room for the comments and for the crack.
- Gez
Geeks, whether they blog or not, don't have entourages...by definition. Some may have followers. Douglas Hopkins
- Douglas Hopkins
everyone thinks 3G iPhone has no video. Well I asked Jane at Quik.com when the Qik app will be "signed" for use in Japan; and if they were developing Q!ik for the 3G iPhone. Here is her reply: Hi Theron,Thank you for your consistent support to Qik.We keep pushing to get Qik signed so that users from Japan will join the community as well. Hopefully it will be done in the near future.Our...
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- Tokyo Dan
from twhirl
OMFG!!!!! im showing this to matt. maybe then i wont have to pull him off that game so i can get some. i think his dick got lost playing that !@#!@#! game. that is all.
- Caroline
"Although I can only guess, here’s what I think really happened. Media Defender was abusing one of Revision3’s servers for their own purposes – quite without our approval. When we closed off their backdoor access, MediaDefender’s servers freaked out, and went into attack mode – much like how a petulant toddler will throw an epic tantrum if you take away an ill-gotten Oreo."
- Steve Lacey
Wow. These people (MediaDefender) need to be shut down.
- Steve Lacey
Not just shut down, sued out of existence.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, they shoud be put out of business, because they are not even good at what they do. Who signs DOS packets with their registered IP addresses.
- bvs
from fftogo
That would piss me off. For that sort of in-your-face photography, the least he could do is to offer a thank you afterwards. But he just walks on after capturing someone's photo, after shocking them with his flash and camera, with even an acknowledgment. Then he makes money off those photos. Where's the release? Where's the thanks? Where are the ethics? Nowhere.
- Raoul Pop
He says in the video that he has no ethics. He also does say though that he considers these people his friends. Model releases would not be needed for fine art photography.
- Thomas Hawk
What is "fine art photograhy" -- sounds made up to me
- Brian Sullivan
Brian "fine art photography" is pretty wide. A few years back a NY court ruled that photographer Philip-Lorca diCorcia was within his right to covertly photograph people on the streets of NY without model releases and sell the prints as fine art. Model releases are only needed for commercial stock photography. http://thomashawk.com/2006...
- Thomas Hawk
on a public sidewalk, there is no need for a release or permission to take a photograph.
- Nathan Eckenrode
Gilden's work would classify as "fine art" and he would not need model releases to make and sell prints of his subjects.
- Thomas Hawk
Well my inclination would be if he stuck a camera in my face and flashed it to have him arrested for assault. I am guessing some New Yorkers might clock him on the spot. I am all for photographer's rights to take pictures in public places but I think this is pretty close to crossing the line.
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, using a flash on someone in public would not be deemed assault by the NYPD. He would never be arrested. Now, yes, my guess is he's probably had some pretty gnarly personal interactions with New Yorkers on the street. In his case I'm not so sure that there is a line to cross. In the video he states that he has no ethics.
- Thomas Hawk
Well the fact that he says he has no ethics is hardly justification. Maybe he has no line -- but I am guessing the subjects have a line. Presumably they have rights as well?
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, they have no rights in this case from a technical legal standpoint. Anyone can shoot anything they want in public. There is no right to photographic privacy. I'm not necessarily saying how Gilden acts is correct, but there is in fact no legal recourse for people who do not want to be photographed by him.
- Thomas Hawk
I love this. I've not been to NY in about 5 years, yet every single one of those photos makes me remember exactly how it felt to be there. I don't care how he does it, I just like how it makes me feel.
- Iain Baker
Well if they have no rights they should have (and I suspect in may other jurisdications do).
- Brian Sullivan
Brian, maybe outside of the US, but not here. Anyone can shoot anything or anybody that they want in public in the US.
- Thomas Hawk
The flash in the face is what I see as particularly offensive (and potentially dangerous?) -- what would happen if the person temporarily couldn't see and stepped out into traffic or walked into a light standard?
- Brian Sullivan
FWIW, he states in a follow-up interview on the WNYC site that the "I have no ethics" line was sarcastic. Sounds like his intention was to have it interpreted as having ethics, just not the same as others'.
- Tom Harrison
Brian: I'm no lawyer, but I think a case like that would be a very specific instance which would need to go to court, where the plaintiff would have to argue poor judgement on the part of the photographer -- contending that they would not have sustained injury had the photographer not impaired their vision with his flash. Whether or not that would stand I have no idea, but even if there was a conviction it would still not set a precedent that prohibits photographers from using flash on people in public.
- Tom Harrison
It might set a pseudo-precedent that photographers using flash in public should use better judgment, however.
- Tom Harrison
My concern is that the flash could be seizure-inducing. I know that strobe lights induce seizures in some epileptics, but I don't know if a single flash in the face would.
- David Thomas
While it's not exactly the most civil behavior, seeing as he's been doing it since the 80's and I'm assuming hasn't caused anyone any actual harm, what's the point in getting so riled up about it? The photos are pretty awesome, and it appears that most of his subjects aren't even bothered enough to stop walking.
- Kevin Reed
if you can smell the street in the photograph then its a street photo. love that quote
- Tyler Gillies
from twhirl
Very interesting, you have to see it to believe it. Now I would like to see more of his work... would be nice if he had a flickr account. On the video he seems arrogant but I think this is on purpose, he is provocative.
- Xavier Donat
Street photography is about the hardest style of photography there is. Miles, alone in the outback; Lay on your belly with the ants and lizards to get a tiny wildflower in the bush; climb huge sand dunes for the harsh grandeur. They're all hard, but street photography: not many people do it because not many can.
- Laurie McArthur
just finished for me and worked like a charm
- Chris Jones
from twhirl
Hmm, I'll have to take a look at that. I use around 300 followers in my tests.
- engtech
Thanks for finding and sharing! It worked great for me. Surprised that some of my twitter friends that I would think would be here on FF are not ...yet.
- tagami
I still don't 'get' what Mesh is. If all it does is sync files, meh. I'm already short of bandwidth here (most of the connected world is), and don't want files flying around.
- Yuvi
Wondering why scobleizer.com keeps giving my Firefox the hickups. It won't load, I need a refresh every time. Better start making backups with Live mesh ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Yuvi it doesn't just sync files. It syncs anything. It's actually pretty cool and will enable new kinds of apps. That is, if it stays installed on my computer.
- Robert Scoble
for once, I'll stay slightly behind the curve (or cliff) :-)
- Scott Davies
I'm having really hard time trying to get why Joel hates Ozzie or Mesh so much...
- Cem Catikkas
Just installed it and although I've lacked enthusiasm for most of MS's online initiatives, I think this one could be really cool. But yea, we all need more/cheaper bandwidth.
- Phil Ashman
from twhirl
while I agree with the web sentiment, I think real buzz will come from RIA style apps leveraging local processing and web connectivity (internet as infrastructure).
- Tyler Hannan
from twhirl
Robert - I guess I need to own up. I think you are wrong. I wrote about it here http://tinyurl.com/5fj7nb ... but here is the 2 cents version. Live Mesh won't fail because is has appeal in the Enterprise. The primary reason Russel 2000 companies are slamming in Sharepoint, Documentum, Interwoven, Stellent (now ORCL), etc is management of unstructured data. So just like Office won due to the Enterprise ... so will Mesh. An no, I am not a MSFT fanboy.
- Tim Bauer
I'm on a Mac platform and don't use any buggy MS apps, thankfully!
- Sally Church
from Alert Thingy
@Tim the problem is that as more of our data and our applications are resident in the cloud the less need there is for sync (which is really 90% of Mesh is right now). Cloud apps already include sharing, collaboration, and versioning (the other 10%). Early adopters have already integrated this stuff into their lives. The final nail is that once again, Mesh is Microsoft-only for the time being. Sure we may get x-platform at some point but why wait when all the competition has already crossed over?
- Kevin D. White
@KDW. I hear ya but until we all can walk around anywhere and have connectivity to the web and a S3 like repository ... Mesh is golden for the masses ... the bridge to Nirvana that the early adopters bleed to achieve. It is not hard to get Live Mesh into Enterprise shops that are MSFT. Then they will start building/playing with it. Then they will start replicating to their houses to work at night (if the security concerns get cleared). Wallah. Critical Mass. Fortunes are made from such manuevers.
- Tim Bauer
"it's not hard to get Live Mesh into Enterprise shops." TRANSLATION: Windows 7.0. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Sounds a lot like... Step 1: Bundle Step 2: ??? Step 3: Profit. That strategy used to work but recently, not so much. I am more than willing to be proven wrong however. Just as soon as Mesh for Mac & iPhone & Google Apps gets released.
- Kevin D. White
MESH is like Linux...only geeks will grab ahold of this new "cool" technology. Mainstream folks will not embrace this... same adoption rate as twitter; perhaps even less.
- Susan Beebe
I think you are wrong on this one Robert. While this release may be light, developers are crazy excited about it... awesome stuff will come.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I haven't looked into Mesh yet, but from what I gather this type of functionality is what I was thinking of at the introduction of the iPhone. At the time I was explaining to a friend about how it was another computing platform, and the limited storage and horsepower was a non-issue because people would have other PCs and media servers and that you only need to carry around a subset of your data. Mesh-like synching along mobile computing make for some interesting possibilities.
- Cornelius Toole
I agree. Mesh is not interesting the way FF is - it is interesting the way Flash (or Silverlight) is - it is about what others do with it. I'm a prof at UW who works on one of the LHC experiments. I can think of a "socal" app that makes reading papers from the preprint archive a community thing. And perhaps FF will figure out how to read an activity feed from Mesh and then when someone...
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- Gordon Watts