There are more players than people online? Oh wait. You're talking about the offline versions? I'm guessing there are plenty of the world's population that don't play games at all. Infants in Africa, for example.
- Cristo
Chris, you're not getting it. This _is_ the online version :)
- Paul Buchheit
No, I'm not getting it. But then I'm on the second glass of wine tonight. Is FriendFeed the online version? Did you guys get more subscribers recently? :)
- Cristo
Imagine a much more sophisticated version of farmville that takes up to 100 years to play...
- Paul Buchheit
*knocks on art students next door to get some weed* :)
- Cristo
No point, Cristo, *someone* has already smoked it all....
- WorldofHiglet
Well, it started as this simple little game, and it just kept growing, and now there's so much code that it would be impractical to start over in a better language.
- Paul Buchheit
Still the same simple game, the rules may have gotten a tad more complicated though.
- Todd Hoff
FriendFeed has 7 billion users? (Starts writing...)
- Jesse Stay
life is like calvin ball, you make your own rules =D
- Mike Chelen
Or maybe he's suggesting that Paul is God?
- Jesse Stay
A process without fixed rules is not a game, it's mediation.
- zeroinfluencer
So if an unstoppable force hits an immovable object, who will handle the exception? (throws UnstoppableImmovableInteractionException).
- Fırat Can Başarır
No fair not counting non-human players. Most of our social games don't need much intelligence to play, right? Kill for food (wealth), find mates.
- lawrence wang
I hear they're planning a new expansion named mars.
- Private Sanjeev
The resolution and level of detail is incredible, but the graphics design is often severely lacking. Only in a few places did they even attempt to make things look good. And, of course, those are all the bits you see in the trailers..
- Otto
We also got iPhone (not 'the Iphone" or 'iphones', just 'iPhone') It's way better than those communicators on TOS were.
- Alex Scrivener
I bet you never thought we'd be getting 32nm processors! No one saw that coming...
- Mitch
And we have electric Pez Dispensers. Why do you hate progress, Chris?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from iPod
We have the new pepsi logo but is he grateful? Nope.
- Mitch
Everything is amazing and nobody is happy: http://www.youtube.com/watch... EDIT: wait, wtf? This video isn't available to me in my country because of copywright?? NOW I'm angry!
- Itachi
Man-o-man I wish this wasn't so true. (Dear stealers of our future, RT this poke, pal)
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
Do not forget we support the War machine which enslaves us to that parasitic country. Perhaps if those resource were taken for Humanities benefit instead of innocent peoples destruction. Dunknow how they ever got this enslavement thing going??? I never voted to slave myself to them and their violent ways, did you vote for this???
- ThatDBD
Micah, it does sorta make a profound statement doesn't it?
- Melanie Reed
Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for delivery
- Charles Ying
You've obviously never worked for a large company.
- Mistletoe Glen
You would be amazed how many large corporations still do this.
- dthree
First off, it doesn't matter what the developer wants; decisions are made by the product manager and reviewed by the higher product review board and the VP of product. Then the UED team gets involved and the design has to be done, redone, pitched, explained, and revised. The change also needs to make it onto the next quarter's roadmap, where it can be evaluated in light of other...
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- Mistletoe Glen
I'm not ignoring the fact that corporations go through a lengthy process to ensure the quality of their products. Of course Facebook does this too, and so do I personally. The point is, we are the ones who are qualified to determine when the app is ready. Apple is just a middleman, and they have a very limited ability to test the quality of our app.
- Joe Hewitt
A couple times Apple has caught bugs in our app and notified me of it, but they have also missed huge bugs that went through. The app on the store right now is orders of magnitude more buggy than the one sitting in the review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
I can only assume the review process is there for Apple to test compliance with their terms of service, and any bugs they find along the way are incidental. Thank goodness the web doesn't have a terms of service and a review queue.
- Joe Hewitt
With 40 apps per day per reviewer, I'm surprised the approval process works as well as it does.
- PXLated
Has any other company ever been faced with as many apps in such a short period as Apple - Just curious
- PXLated
If we developers always programmed everything to be perfect before releasing it, nothing would ever get released. ; )
- John Wang
it would look like an MMO they release half broken stuff every two weeks like clockwork
- Robert Higgins
Your question mentioned nothing of Apple and the App Store. I was merely responding to the question asked. Specifically, if, each time a developer wanted to change their site, it had to be approved by a committee with a 2-week delay, it would represent a vast improvement in the speed of delivery of site changes and probably a corresponding decline in the quality. Apple imposes their...
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- Mistletoe Glen
Sorry, Glen, the context in almost all of my tweets relates to iPhone development :)
- Joe Hewitt
Of course, Apple can do whatever they want, and I can go elsewhere. I am making suggestions on how they can improve their flea market and prevent people from going elsewhere. I believe the web has set the precedent that big platforms like the iPhone can thrive even without a centralized quality control bottleneck.
- Joe Hewitt
But Joe, the iPhone isn't like the web as a whole - it's more like gaming platforms and probably more open then they are. Will be interesting to see what happens on Android and if in fact it is more open, and if so what kind of chaos may ensue.
- PXLated
Are you serious - "prevent people from going elsewhere" - Where? And pass up the iPhone audience/marketplace? Even if Android is a success, developers won't leave iPhone in spite of all the bitching.
- PXLated
The iPhone is not a "gaming platform" until they tell me I can't develop anything but a game for it. A significant chunk of iPhone apps, mine included, are basically iPhone-optimized websites written in Objective-C. I admit that I don't see anyone, myself including, abandoning Apple over this issue, but I do believe that the quality of apps on the platform is being hurt by it. Just because other platforms are even more restrictive, like Playstation or some mobile platforms, is not an excuse.
- Joe Hewitt
It's not an excuse but none is needed, Apple developed a platform and set the rules just as the gaming platforms did/do. I'm personally not sure the (overall) quality is being hurt either.
- PXLated
In fact, maybe Apple should be a lot more restrictive - 65K apps probably confuses the hell out of many users. Maybe they need a rating system and then start eliminating the poorly performing apps. Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K ;-)
- PXLated
"Apple developed a platform and set the rules" - well there's a news flash. I don't think anyone needed to be informed of that. I think Joe's just trying to make the point that centralized control isn't necessary for the good apps to rise to the top. Would you consider the web to be a success if there were 65k sites (please don't get pedantic and point out that sites aren't apps; the argument holds for any reasonable multiplier)?
- Joel Webber
"Get it down to a reasonable (best of breed) 5K" - And exactly from what larger pool would you take that best of breed? If the breed's too small, you can't *have* a best-of-breed. The web's an unholy mess, but its size and chaos are precisely what makes it successful. People still manage to find the good stuff.
- Joel Webber
It would look like the website where I work....
- Don Schuetze
What would the web look like if a developer could be shut down for an alleged ToS violation? Like FaceBook?
- Kevin Marks
That's a lot better than how web applications ship. Please allow a few months before we change it.
- Burcu Dogan
Apple is famous to put limitations at the beginning and then drop them ( remember drm?) I am pretty confident that the approval process will be easier and quicker in the near future.
- funkyboy
from iPhone
You would have [insert any corporate review process here]. For significant changes, this is understandishable. However, it gets insidious when everything looks like a nail ... even if it isn't.
- Joe D'Andrea
read it late though, but i would hate it, then maybe web might not be as popular, interesting and powerful
- testbeta
"So instead of just generally being frustrated, I thought I’d see what it’d take to rip out the stuff that was reimplemented and use just core twisted." No tests?
- Adewale Oshineye
Happens to women too, see Dirty Dancing. "I carried a watermelon."
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
from iPhone
"This leads to speculation that men use up so much of their brain function or 'cognitive resources' trying to impress beautiful women, they have little left for other tasks." -- Less likely they are using their brains to try to impress and more likely they are losing brain function because they are fantasying about them.
- Cristo
I am not so sure about "temporarily" part.
- andrei_c
Haha. +2 for Andrei. And, as Zulema noted, I've seen it happen to women too, but to make it official we have to do this right and do our own experiment. Who's the most handsome guy in friendfeed?
- Rebeca
I couldn't say yes until I have a few questions answered. Most importantly what year are we going back to and second is it ok if I "mess" with the timeline?
- Joe Pierce
"After two albums, Shante said, she was disillusioned by the sleazy music industry and swindled by her record company. The teen mother, living in the Queensbridge Houses, recalled how her life was shattered. "Everybody was cheating with the contracts, stealing and telling lies," she said. "And to find out that I was just a commodity was heartbreaking." But Shante, then 19, remembered a clause in her Warner Music recording contract: The company would fund her education for life. She eventually cashed in, earning a Ph.D. in psychology from Cornell to the tune of $217,000 - all covered by the label. But getting Warner Music to cough up the dough was a battle."
- April Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
"Shante often incorporates hip-hop music into her sessions, encouraging her clients to unleash their inner MC"
- Gabe
i remember hearing about her watching the "Beef" series of hip-hop documentaries... here's a youtube clip of her http://www.youtube.com/watch... from Beef 2
- Chris Heath
Give it up ... you know you want to!
- Kittyburgers
Francis Bacon. But I actually like Lucian Freud better.
- doug
That's neat that they say which breed of pig it's from. Niman Ranch is the best I can afford around here so it's the favorite of what I've tasted. I'd love to join the Bacon of the Month club.
- Spidra Webster
If you boil bacon in water or steam it, adding olive oil into the water it helps to blend a smooth texture to cooked bacon. Again, allow the water to boil through and then lightly fry the bacon to get texture and color - Enjoy!
- frank burns
I think Friendfeed just made a comeback of epic proportions!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Don't care, so long as it's hot and not too crispy and IN MAH BELLEH.
- Mellissa Claus
I'm on this cheapo 3lbs package for $7 of "hickory smoked" thick cut from Safeway. Not the best, but good for its price. Before that I was all about this super low fat version that cooked up REALLY nice, but was kind of expensive.
- Andy Bakun
Angus Meats Butcher shop near me cuts it thick slices right off the slab, applewood smoked I think. Very nice
- WarLord
Not sure I have a fave, but I've been shamelessly buying the ready-to-eat brands. I got some turkey bacon from Whole Foods, but it went to waste.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Yeah, I should give the butcher a try. Good idea, Warlord.
- Andy Bakun
Pemeal or "Canadian Bacon" is my favorite. My cousin Luke asks me to bring some down every time I come to SF, its that good. Just bought some tonight, actually. It's a real shame this does not exist in the states!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Any kind!! We've spent the past two years traveling through Muslim countries (where pork is NOT ok). When we do our visa run to Greece (every 90 days) we call it the "Bacon Run". Ah I can't wait to get back to the states and have BLTs!!
- Chris Myles
my favorite bacon is bacon flavored hot sauce
- Kevin
My favorite - like all Hawaiian people is spam aka Hawaiian bacon.
- Ron Hagenhoff
Nieman Ranch Bacon from Trader Joe's is the only bacon I'll buy. :D
- Kevin Winn
The dry cured thick cut bacon from Costco is my favorite.
- Christian Burns
Oscar Mayer's bacon is actually pretty good. We love Smithfield in our house. Our favorite, though, is the black pepper bacon from Kuntzler.
- Curtiss Grymala
i'm a vegetarian now, but i used to love turkey bacon.
- Marissa
I almost killed my xfiance with bacon... i got him a bacon of the month gift subscription, the doctor said i tripled his blood pressure or something... lol.. be careful of that stuff!
- CoreyTess Trujillo
Read omnivore's dilemma and your bacon-lovin' days will be over :(
- anna sauce
I was told that the more you know about bacon (where it's from, how it's made), the less you'll want to eat it...
- brainno722 (Peter)
the more you know about any food you haven't grown or killed yourself, the less you'll want to eat it
- LogEx
@LogEx: True that...especially do not go into the kitchen of your favorite restaurant unless you don't plan on ever going back.
- brainno722 (Peter)
I woudln't mind bacon from my aunt's hog farm.
- anna sauce
My butcher is local not chain who uses meat from area farmers. I'm not so much about organic more about local food plus St. Paul has a huge farmers market community all good stuff
- WarLord
Think of that, there's this veal stock from a local butcher I want to try out.
- anna sauce
You need to talk with the folks at http://bacn.com. They'll hook you up with some very fine swine -- cured and whatnot of course ;)
- Rick Turoczy
from iPhone
So was this selection any good? I'm in the market for new and exciting bacon products today.
- Mark Trapp
"On a gloomy day, it's hard for me to envision the U.S. adopting the Anglo-American system today if we were starting from scratch. As it is, our legal system labors under enormous tension between who are now and the values we once idealized."
- Daniel Dulitz
Is Boo a common word in the UK for this kind of thing or is this a copy of Audioboo.fm from Bestbefore.tv? if you have an iPhone you can do this using the Audioboo iPhone app and adding the feed to Friendfeed. Horses for courses.
- Leo Laporte
You can also add a cinch feed to FriendFeed and record your messages over the phone, no internet connection required: http://cinch.blogtalkradio.com
- Jesse Stay
The Oval Office -> The Office; The West Wing -> The Wing; Air Force One -> The One
- Mitch
+1 to "The Bell". Ma Bell doesn't seem to want that name still anyhow.
- Alex Power
Happi House -> The House, Costco -> The Co, Pottery Barn -> The Barn, Foot Locker -> The Locker, Good Guys -> The Guys, Best Buy -> The Buy, Burger King -> The King, Arby's -> The Bee's Knees
- Stephen Mack
Facebook = The FACE! // Google = The Goog // Gamestop = The Stop // Walmart = The Wall // K-mart = The K! // White Castle = The Castle
- Shawn aka ringking
Target > The Bullseye / WalMart > The Mart / FriendFeed > The Feed / Big Lots > The Lots / Wikipedia > The Wiki / Facebook > The Face / Flickr > The Flick ...George Saj is right, They should have went with "Teh Shack."
- Danny Minick
Actually they should have went with "PartsShack". It's still the main reason why most people go specifically to their stores, for miscellaneous electronic extras you need fast.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I'm sure Taco Bell would fight Ma Bell for The Bell
- Ian Betteridge
Albertson's Safeways, Target, Macy's, Home Depot--> "The store" // Facebook, Google, Yahoo, Ebay, MySpace --> "The Internet"
- Roger Nang
The price of tea in China --> The price.
- Micah Wittman
Jim, no, not unless you ran chsh python sometime in the past. :-) But it does shrink the distance between code and service. Many startups when they start have a codebase similar to a shell script.
- Daniel Dulitz
Ok, so it's just a shell script, but when is it going to buy exon?
- j1m
Also it needs 32-bit/64-bit matrix headers: there were 32-bit-only Intel macs, like ~2Ghz dual core MacBook Pro MA092LL/A, and http://www.apple.com/macosx... says "requires a Mac with a 64-bit processor." (I wonder if that requirement is accurate, since I've heard otherwise about 10.6, and comparing hardware reqs. is apples to oranges with respect to these matrices... but mjc started it, and hardware blocks upgrade on my 2 remaining Macs, so...)
- Wade Dorrell
Yeah, unsurprisingly, Apple is even more restrictive: you need a 64-bit Intel CPU or you can't upgrade. Once upon a time, that's where Linux would've stepped in, but not so much now since most major distros have relegated PPC as a secondary arch.
- Victor Ganata
oy, people: 1) it's a hyperbolic joke & 2) it's comparing software upgrade routes, not hardware requirement - what are the hardware requirements for Windows 7 in each of it's forms? I'm just saying, would be nice if MS would just release "windows" - and ps: I don't even delve into the issue of the lovely $29 pricetag - for all those PCers who say the Mac world is all about ripping you off... :)
- noahharlan
Why is 29$ such a deal. OS X is contemporaneous with XP which is usable but antiquated. The vast difference in XP and SP3 is free. So why is that OS X 10 point whatever is a a bargain when it is compared to the same generation of software XP. In addition, While Win 7 is better than Vista, I dont think the gap was as large as the difference from XP to SP3 which was all free. There should be some standards, of charging for "New" OS.
- Robert Higgins
One more point, is that Mac has only one choice which, is unappetizing like being in the midwest and the only choice of food is hamburgers. Reminds me of the old PC Clone window from 1984. I guess that is the Apple dream. if everybody has one device like an Iphone that is exactly the same it is Orwellian and good. Personally, I prefer to taste Sushi, Kimchee, Curries, Mole, Satay
- Robert Higgins
@noahharlan Win 7 installs on any hardware config listed specifically in the matrix... but I bet there are exceptions under the Win XP row related to video. You're right it's hyperbole, but it's also disservice to Mac users to ignore equivalent dimensions in the Mac matrix (especially when they apply to Macs sold quite recently & still on the resale market, as in the case of 32-bit Intel CPUs, and where the $29 disc is a coaster (as in the case where you're upgrading from 10.4 instead of 10.5.)
- Wade Dorrell
I'd like to do an equivalent Mac matrix. It'd be more helpful than http://www.apple.com/macosx... (which doesn't explain the real reason you want the $169 SKU instead of the $129 SKU if you're coming from 10.4.) Anyone know why that is?
- Wade Dorrell
I think the difference between the $129 price point and the $169 price point are the number of licenses you're granted, although it doesn't seem like they actually try to enforce it. Or is that the difference between the OS X and OS X Server? So yeah, I guess the upgrade matrix isn't quite as simple as all that.
- Victor Ganata
One of my big fears in joining Google long after they had already become a success was that I'd find a mature company that was unwilling to do big audacious things and risk failing at them. With products like Wave I'm so pleased to find that those fears were unfounded. The company is still quite nuts sometimes.
- DeWitt Clinton
I think there's selection bias here. There web and internet, as they exist today depend on interoperability of several complex protocols and standards: TCP/IP, DNS, HTTP, HTML, CSS, Javascript, SMTP, IMAP, compression codecs, SSL/TLS cryptography. The client side implementations of all of these have to be near perfect for things to work acceptable, yet they are not weekend projects for...
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- Ray Cromwell
That is, I don't think the Wave Protocol is targeted at people writing RSS emitters and parsers, anymore than IMAP is targeted at them. The Wave Protocol forms a lower layer. The application layers on top (gadgets, robot libraries) provide a much simpler abstraction to developers who want to build services and applications rapidly.
- Ray Cromwell
@Ray - Not to play weekend arm-chair protocol quarterback or anything, but I'm actually among those who would have liked to have seen the Wave protocol built out of Atom/AtomPub/HTML, rather than XMPP/etc, for exactly the reasons that Anil talks about. I understand the rationale behind the current choices, however, and don't think it will make that much difference in the end.
- DeWitt Clinton
It may be audacious but it's also not trying too hard. I asked for a test account, filled out an application and everything, and never heard back. Maybe I didn't grovel enough.
- Dave Winer
IMHO it's a mistake to always choose the path of least resistance, it makes it hard to usher in fundamental improvements when a radical departure approach is sometimes needed. We've reached a point where people want to build everything and anything HTTP+RSS/Atom now. Unless building Wave on Atom solved a fundamental problem, without introducing others, I don't see the justification. The...
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- Ray Cromwell
Yes, Dave. We're hiding it from you specifically. : ) Seriously though, lots (on the order of more marbles than would fit in a subaru forrester) of people asked for an invite. They're going to start going out in earnest in the next month or two. But I'll add you to our developer list and try and get you in earlier.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt can you also add me shakeel.mahate@gmail.com to the developer list? Thanks
- Shakeel Mahate
Am I the only one who _doesn't_ think the wave UI is "slick"? I admire the technology, but to be honest using it feels more like Outlook than Gmail, and that's not good. Sometimes it feels like a set of brilliant, innovative features without corresponding higher level innovations. Eg - subscribe to wave-discuss, and then see how quickly your inbox becomes useless. Eventually you figure out how to create a filter & archive, but thats the area that needs innovation (IMHO, of course),
- Nick Lothian
@Nick: I think there's a lot of work remaining to be done on managing the inbox, large waves, and so forth. This was, and remains, a problem with email as well (subscribe to some high-traffic mailing lists, without filtering your inbox, and see how fast it becomes useless in Gmail or Outlook). I understand that the team is acutely aware of this, and are continuing to work on the problem (I suspect this is one of the reasons that they're rolling it out slowly).
- Joel Webber
I think Ray's 100% right on this -- comparing the underlying wave protocols with protocols like RSS is entirely inappropriate. Things like XMPP *are* complex, because they solve a complex problem. As Ray points out, the web wouldn't be better if someone tried to "simplify" TCP/IP -- it just wouldn't work. And just like with TCP, they are creating an open implementation of the protocols for everyone to start from. That's the only way to bootstrap something like this.
- Joel Webber
I put up my take on Wave earlier. Not impressed. http://is.gd/283ph Anyone who thinks Wave will replace e-mail is as delusional as the people who think Chrome will replace Windows.
- Tom Morris
@Tony keep in mind, wave is a federated protocol, so just like IMAP and IRC you can have oodles of different clients in the future. Don't like google's UI? Some will do a native C++ version with a different UI. If you judged email solely on Microsoft's client, or hotmail's UI , it wouldn't be an accurate picture either.
- Ray Cromwell
from Nambu
@Tom - I'm not sure its as bad as all that. I think it would have been better marketed (at first) as a sharepoint competitor, which makes it infinitely better.
- Nick Lothian
@Joel, yeah, I get that. I'd have liked to see some more focus on those core problems rather than the technology and toys. Eg: in the wave video, the things which impress people the most are Rosy & Spelly - neither of which really revolutionize communication.
- Nick Lothian