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Jeremiah Owyang › Comments
I just had a revelation that not everybody that uses social media sites crave conversations or meaningful connections. Some just want to share links with people and that's how they want to use twitter or friendfeed for example. Could it be then that most people who have introvert traits don't really want to connect with people?
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Very likely. I only get into discussions about politics, economics, and religion, which are not most people's cups of tea. I may like other things, but I rarely discus them online. I don't really crave 'connections' with people online, I view them as sources of content.
- Alex Scrivener
I'm an introvert, but I do enjoy a useful conversation
- William Harryman
This is an important thing every person talking or advising about the interactive web needs to understand: different people use it differently for different reasons.
- Patricia
i like discussing music-making and everything that goes along with it. sadly, i have yet to meet anyone in FF or FB or anywhere other than message boards (UGH!) or IRC who is like-minded.
- Dead Silence
You are a bit kinder than I am. Maybe I should learn to look at things like you do. However, I see a lot of people that live in their own little world and just don't care about other people. They want themselves to be the spotlot of attention and wouldn't dare give attention to someone else.
- Hummie
Yup, you're assumption is correct. See Forrester.com/groundswell then click on "Profile Tool" to find out why
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, what assumption??
- Jan - @wordsforliving
Dead Silence, rooms may help with that. I find it more difficult to have topical conversations when everyone's feed is a mass of all different interests and inputs.
- joey
I don't know that it's just introverts. I'm a strongly expressed introvert, and I love interacting with people online. It's much easier and less stressful for me than interacting offline - although gaining confidence through online interaction has improved my offline confidence as well and I'm far less shy than I used to be.
- Jandy
Jandy - same here - my thoughts exactly! I'm still working on the offline confidence... hoping that will improve as time goes on...
- Jan - @wordsforliving
i see what you mean but there are also different ways of using social media. Some use it strictly as a way positioning themselves as industry leaders, some for business and some for fun. The strategies are different.
- Violet Mae Lim
Aaah - so true Violet... I have to remember that not everyone is exactly like me or want the same things out of it!
- Jan - @wordsforliving
I think you're on to something although I'd never want to concede your last point even though that might be deductively true. For some of us it takes a while longer to open up and 'engage' per se but I'm hoping that its just part of the natural learning curve.
- Adi
Adi - I'd been puzzled over other introverts not wanting to chat even online. I don't understand this since I'd like to connect with other like-minded people, but at this point, it's definitely a mystery to me.
- Jan - @wordsforliving
I like connecting, sharing, learning, and don't have a thing to sell you but my smiling mug. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Yea Matthew! :-)
- Jan - @wordsforliving
I like getting involved in discussions online, but I'm not sure that I really connect.
- John
I fall under the introvert category. I do more sharing of links and content and original thoughts than conversating. I guess conversating isn't a word.
- Holden Caulfield
Have to disagree with the opening statement. Just had an interesting time with some twitter peeps about Friendfeed-aggregated news links. Because the links came into Twitter around ten-to-a-time, my followers didn't like it. Pretty much unanimous they wanted commentary and conversation.
- George Hall (Australia)
Exactly George - that's my thoughts. What happened was I came across one person (and maybe this person is rare), that actually stated that she did not want the conversations, but only wanted to use social media to share info and links. This was quite a surprise to me, as I assumed every single person on the planet would want commentary and conversation. So seeing her disclose that she...
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- Jan - @wordsforliving
I have gained true friends through the internet. I use it to connect, to discuss common interests and to learn.
- Lis Miller
I think I function in social media much like I do in the real world. It takes me awhile to find those I really connect with. I don't care for all the silly stuff most of the time. It's kind of like small talk which bores me after awhile. But when I can get into a good discussion with a group about something I'm really interested in, then I'm more than willing to engage. However, I find...
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- LLL
I'm kind of the opposite, Jannifer. I find that conversation and connection are much easier for me online than in person. I don't get worn out or overstimulated nearly as quickly or easily. And, of course, every day is different. I may be in a silly, frivolous mood today and a more serious mood tomorrow.
- Ladybug Heather
you sound like my boyfriend. great words
- Caroline
Complete this: The person above me is _____. The person below me is _____.
The person above me is well-intended. The person below me is non-existent. (Bottom of the food chain here...)
- Scott Magdalein
The person above me is an early adopter, The person below me likes to come in third.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Dan Heath uses this in his talks, referencing a scan of Match.com ads. He says he found one that says: "The guy above me is married. The guy below me is a stalker." Nice example of "sticky" headline. But it translates well to FriendFeed....
- dontgetcaught
The guy above me doesn't follow directions. :)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Crouching Tiger (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"Who knew, there's some pretty good Chinese food in RWC! Being Chinese and having been to China a few times, this food is pretty darn good. Sure, it's not going to be as good as what you would find…"
- Jeremiah Owyang
Who will Friendfeed compete with? Plaxo requires login but aggregates all networks, Friendfeed aggregates public info (and maybe someday login required data). Flock, which requires download also aggregates your network into one place. What site could be the biggest threat to Friendfeed? I say web email sites like Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and MS Mail.
Syamant, Hutch Carpenter, Laura Whitehead and 21 other people liked this
power.com?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Google Wave. No, I am not kidding.
- Ben Parr
Ben, yes for sure.
- Jeremiah Owyang
FF would not compete with those sites if integration with blogging applications was better.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
or maybe nutshellmail
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Agree with Ben, Google Wave has all the bells and whistles, I'm waiting for it to unfold
- Julie Williams
Ben Parr: agree wholeheartedly, it's public, it's shared, it's conversations, it sucks things in
- Mark Essel
can friendfeed and google wave play nice? sorry first week with two puppies, that's the best vocabulary I can muster.
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed can leverage many google wave technologies and package them in a way that is not designed for internal communication/information consumption (which the current google wave client is designed to do)
- Chris Saad
Facebook as well.
- Louis Gray
are they going to open up their walled garden? http://www.victusspiritus.com/2009...
- Mark Essel
FriendFeed already competes with Facebook news feed - but it has none of the bloat - it is designed for someone to aquire it and deliver the facebook newsfeed experience for the openweb (Hint: Google)
- Chris Saad
My vote is Wave. But it's a premature, ignorant prediction.
- phil baumann
I think it's the Whole Web~~
- K.D.
Chris said it.
- Wade Dorrell
ff vs. the Whole Web K.D.?, madness!
- Mark Essel
Jeremiah, thanks a lot , your post sparked a conversation that's driving my attention away from my feed reader and a blog post about a new education/support infrastructure for entrepreneurs based on VC like support (not the capital, the knowledge of startup cycles/networking/market)
- Mark Essel
ACtually KD is on to something, if web sites as destinations go away, FF has that opportunity. Mark, sorry bud :)
- Jeremiah Owyang
@Mark Essel One evidence is that I look for content from the Whole Web(via search engine, digg,etc) in the past, but now I only go to friendfeed for content. For me, ff has won the competition against the Whole Web.
- K.D.
ahh but what is ff without the rest of the web?
- Mark Essel
it's a wonderful indexing service that brings information important/interesting/pertinent straight to your door. it's a personalized information delivery service (fantastic). folks go from ff to my blog, that's fine by me. What I'm trying to peddle is the hardest sell, ideas.
- Mark Essel
Google wave esp. with open API.
- Andrew Wilson
interesting analysis.. im not sure if friendfeed will ever go mainstream becuz to understand it means that you understand way more than the average internet users.. twitter is for the masses cuz anyone can write a few words and send out a tweet.
- Jason Pollock
Probably Google Wave
- Michael
Yes, Google Wave
- Svartling
passive entertainment
- Patricia
Good question, Jeremiah. Right now, no one. Google Wave if people run with it might be a competitor, but if they don't and Google does what it normally does with the technology on their own (little to nothing...Jaiku or Orkut, anyone?) then probably not.
- Neal Jansons
How many televisions do you have in your house (that you use once a month or more)?
AJ Kohn, Rasmus Lauridsen, Kol Tregaskes and 9 other people liked this
2-both not HD.
- Aden
We only have one. We have tons of LCDs hooked up to various things, but only one actual TV (an LCD) that's hooked into cable/Xbox/AppleTV(currently broken)/wii/etc
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
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One.
- joey
1
- Parth Awasthi
3, all HD.
- jcunwired
2
- Bill Heslin
2 (edit: 3, I forgot about the little TV in my shop. I don't watch it much.)
- Jason Huebel
2
- Jack Carlson
Hmmm... please note if any of your common use TVs AREN'T HD.
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
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1 non-HD Sony trinitron
- Joe Bonner
3. 1 is HD, 2 are not.
- Rochelle
2; 1 CRT (in my bedroom, hooked up to the PS2 so I can watch movies and game) & LCD HDTV that I use mostly as a computer monitor, watch movies and to play Xbox or Wii.
- Anika Malone
1.
- Stephen Mack
2 I use bedroom and living room LCD and Plasma both HD. 1 in computer/guest room Sony Wega too damn heavy to ever move again (not used), and one in guest room 19" college aged TV(used by guests duh!).
- Brian S.
1 (HD) and 5 tivos
- Carl Haynes
Carl, what do you do with 5 Tivos?
- Rochelle
We have a Sony Wega too. It's out in our garage, and I don't even want to sell it because of the possibility that I might have to help someone pick it up. That damn thing nearly killed us getting it down the stairs in our old apartment. Well, that, and who the hell would buy one? Maybe I could get $50 for it. Maybe.
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
from fftogo
Dang Carl, I wanna know what you do with that too!!
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
from fftogo
1 - Kill your television!
- anna
3 are test units (I work for tivo) and 2 are mine, 2 hooked to tv, 3 just running and recording and I transfer shows as needed to the "main" tivo
- Carl Haynes
Four on a regular basis, house has six TV's 13, 19, 24, 27, 32 and 52 inches respectively. Two adults no kids.
- jlt-Janet
That's cool Carl! Any juicy Tivo upcoming news you can share with us? I've been a happy Tivo user since 1999.
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
from fftogo
Tad - I can't even get some of my luddite family to take the Wega off my hands. What a sad way for $800 to end.
- Brian S.
Brian, does Nikki have HD?
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
from fftogo
Tad - not at her house no. Not sure she wants the behemoth either though. I'll ask her this weekend. But how do I move it to her van? <shivers>
- Brian S.
let's see, 1..2..3..4..5! Basic cable no HD. hey you kids, get off my lawn!
- metageoff
1 old skool 25" toob from Samsung that we bought in 2001. no cable, DTV tuner is in the DVD/VCR combo box above it.
- Dead Silence
I have 2 in my house but I only use 1 at least once a month. I'd say the other gets used once every 6 months or so?
- Soup
3: 1 HD, 2 not
- Anne Bouey
2. 1 HD, 1 not.
- Alex Scoble
1. but we probably watch more "tv shows" on the laptop these days.
- Bill Kinney
1 only no HD
- martha
1 and it's older than my almost-8-year-old marriage (and I'd throw it away if my family wouldn't kill me)
- Brett Kelly
0
- Katy S
1 HD
- Dennis O'Neil
Only one. And it lives in a closed cabinet and only comes out at night.
- Martha
Dos.
- Patrick Jordan
1
- John Wang
3, all traditional screens, no HD.
- Mellissa Doyle
1 - digital, no cable, just broadcast
- m9m
2.
- Louis Gray
Two.
- Michael McKean
One, but it's the best TV I could find.
- Phil Glockner
only one tv. 7+ 'puters, tho.
- MikeAmundsen
5 tv's, 1 is HD, 2 have DVR's (6 computers)
- Rahsheen ™
2, both non-HD.
- Joey Gibson
4 TVs, 4 in the house. 2 Adults and 2 Kids. 3 of 4 are HD.
- Adam Martin
Dos...no HD...
- JA Castillo (جاسون)
1 of 3 - the only non-HD in the house, in the spare oom
- Chris Rogers
Two - the living room one and a small one upstairs.
- Rick Cogley
3
- David Cook
Tree
- Charlie Anzman
Me personally, just one. But we have one in the living room and one in the guest bedroom.
- Mathew™
Do computers with access to Hulu and YouTube count? We just have 1 TV
- Rob McNair-Huff
from iPhone
One, non-HDTV.
- DGentry
5 in the house (including garage set) use 2.
- Amber Spence
2, neither are HD. 10-year-old 13-inch in the bedroom, 7-year-old 27-inch in the livingroom.
- Alix Whitmire ☂
2
- Laura Norvig
1 tv, 4 LCD Computer monitors, 1 Digital projector.
- CW™
3 tv's no HD unless you add my Monitor + the TV Tuner.
- James Fuller
0 and proud of it
- Louis Simoneau
One, and it's the best TV that Phil G could find!
- Andrea G
Although now I really want to get rid of it so that I could also have something to be proud of.
- Andrea G
Only one, an older CRT recently acquired to replace the 5" black & white that we couldn't hook the DTA box up to. My husband is the one that watches it, as he's the only person in the house that still watches TV.
- April Russo
Have one TV that is used most days. I have a small TV my my office which I use to watch DVDs (there is no TV signal in this room).
- Kol Tregaskes
One. A 1994-era 27-inch Sony I no longer watch (wife and son hooked it up to a Wii).
- Victor Panlilio
We have one we use for watching TV, and one in the garage/man cave that is just used for video games and the occasional DVD (though we plan to hook it up to the cable soon so he can watch basketball in there too). Neither are HD.
- Shannon Jiménez
1 HD in living room, weaned us off falling asleep to a TV. Much better sleep now
- Rasmus Lauridsen
I don't have any television in my house.
- Thatched House
2
- Jeremiah Owyang
4. 5 if you count the one my kids have the gamecube plugged into.
- Steve Lowe
1 (not HD)
- AJ Kohn
1
- yagami
3. One in my room, one in the roommate's room, and the communal living room TV that no one watches.
- Derrick
1... But I do have 3 computers though. ;-)
- Ton Zijp
TV? What's that? My computer has replaced my TVs in almost every way.
- Tanath
Zero
- Jason Wehmhoener
Zero
- τorƍue
I have a laptop and BitTorrent, does that count?
- Jim Norris
2
- david
2. I also have a TV can on my PC, but I rarely watch TV. I prefer the interactive screen.
- MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)
Tokie's Japanese Restaurant (4/5) - http://www.yelp.com/biz...
"Great family style (although American style Japanese) food that always satisfies and is consistent. Sitting at the sushi bar and watching the fishers is relaxing."
- Jeremiah Owyang
Twitter as a "Help Center" Best Buy creates app that encourages employees to help customers http://bbyconnect.appspot.com/ @twelpforce
LPH™ and his dog P™ and Gregg Morris liked this
I'm not sure if this is a good business idea or not. This seems rather odd.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Explain why you think that LPH
- Jeremiah Owyang
Consider a person just tweeting away about a purchase at best buy going wrong -- then will the "casual" employee be able to help?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Many conversations I've had express concern over behavior from the hourly workforce. In a company like BBY, integration has more potential for disciplinary enforcement vs. brand building.
- Peter Kim
Physics WIN - http://twitpic.com/508qo
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awesome
- Alfredo
I want to do that on my exercise balls.
- Anika Malone
How many tries (and broken bones) did that take?
- Johnny Worthington
Homygorsh
- Martha
First animated gif that didn't make me cringe or want to hide it. cool. :) also, i won't be trying that on my exercise ball anytime soon.
- patricia
I just don't know how you figure out you can do that.
- Curtis Jackson
I'm sure if I tried it I would be in traction right now.
- Kevin Pedraja
Really Awsome!
- Piero Tagliapietra
Amazing ..
- johnpiercy
Wooow!
- z.o.s The Cylon
süper :)
- Göksel Şirin
O_o
- Bluesun 2600
THAT IS CRAZY AWESOME!
- Chieze Okoye
wow. gotta reshare that!
- Ňicķ
very cool...perfect landing too
- Jeffrey Marsh
Are you serious? No way!
- Andrew Trinh
I seriously just bought one of these today. but I'm with pea♥ fierce as a woozle. no attempts for me.
- Nathalie
wow that is sweet
- (jeff)isageek
Dude!
- BEX
Usually stomping on balls makes me uncomfortable, but this is pretty awesome.
- Phronk
I expect this move to be all the rage in Rhythmic Gymnastics in the next Olympics.
- Jeanine W.
Very impressive :0
- Adval
boy, if you messed that up it could really put a damper on your day. Some doof needs to try it and put up their fail-flip on youtube. Absolutely amazing, though.
- Rick Cogley
totally awesome!!! wow! how fun!
- Susan Beebe
Was waiting for the neck snapping moment....was pleasantly surprised
- Toby Graham
If I taught Physics, I'd show this to my students for open discussion
- Bwana
LOL - Quality!
- Qwerty
wow
- Gökmen Karasu
wtf :))
- Batu
Thought he was going to munch it, clearly, he's not human.
- Will Higgins™
How many times did he try that until he got it right?
- Louis Gray
Not sure how many - but my guess would be that this guy is a competitive gymnast (based on the body and the setting) - things like this often come easy (when you have trained for a dozen years to develop muscle, balance and body awareness),
- Brian Sullivan
holy wow
- Mattb4rd
easy? If you're Jesus maybe.
- Mattb4rd
Haha thats awesome!
- Nicholas James
I would love to see the out takes on this
- Josh Haley
I really would like to try it
- Marcello Del Bono
Otherwise known as the orthopedist's full employment act.
- Tom Landini
win
- Jeremiah Owyang
ZZZOMG! That is such a PHYSICS WIN. A new way to use an exercise ball!
- Sean
It was amazing when he did it once, but how does he do it non-stop over and over? I lost count already.
- Josh Haley
yeah and how does he teleport back to where he started?
- Alfredo
bah to science, +many for physical fitness, :O
- chaz2b
hogeeee! fugeee! fugaaa!
- Ken Okabe
WOW! Even I am impressed.
- Shawn Whitmire
I can't get enough of this. Of course it should carry the "don't try this at home disclaimer". I'm sure they could run a whole episode of Amerca's Funniest Home Videos of people trying to do this.
- Mark Krynsky
Awesome !
- DAL
wow
- orionstarr
Is it possible that there are some hidden cables here? His form seems too perfect as his feet swing around at the end.
- Brian Sloane
nope. no cables
- Alfredo
Youtube version: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Andrew C
nice.
- Alfredo
I'd like to see the blooper reel
- Abbas Haider Ali
i wanna try, it's awesome!
- tibetsong
I am going to try this next time I go to the gym wish me luck heha.
- Jason
Next time I 'm at the gym, I'm gonna give this a try! :)
- burdr
burdr, did you try it out?? 8^)
- Chieze Okoye
The sequel: http://friendfeed.com/nathanc...
- Nathan Chase
This thread was discussed on the FFundercats (http://www.ffundercats.com/2009...)
- Josh Haley
Damn, that guy knows his arse from his angular momentum.
- Sir Slippy of Slippington
BTW no longer on YouTube. Bummer.
- Jill Hurst-Wahl
Brands focused on tools (Twitter, Facebook, Blog) without a strategy is like buying a hammer without having a blueprint for a house.
Damien Robinson, Melissa, Frédéric Martinent and 15 other people liked this
Which is great if you just want to smash things :)
- Chris Saad
Jeremiah is right and Chris is right.
- Louis Gray
+1 Chris & Jeremiah
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
smash brothers?
- Jeremiah Owyang
...or buying a blueprint for a hammer without having an house where to use it
- Gabriele Cazzulini
Friendfeed has themes http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009... WHICH theme did you choose? Me bamboo
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Cuz I like Pandas
- Jeremiah Owyang
Blue Wave, because I like blue and waves like
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Helvetica - Is there any other choice really? I love the minimal look.
- jasperfields
Blue Wave
- Roberto Bonini
Blue wave
- Alex Scoble
They are kinda lacking on the "I am a man with testosterone" flavored themes
- Cody Heitschmidt
Classic
- 321
i think there's more girl themes than boy themes no? i'm using blue wave
- Alfredo
Oooh I like blue wave betta'
- Jeremiah Owyang
Bamboo
- Tracy Benham
helvetica
- Sarah Perez
helvetica is brutally effective. loving it
- jonpauldavies
I wanted to like Helvetica but the harshness of an all-white screen was too much. I started squinting 2 minutes in and gave it up. Now I'm on Bamboo.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I just stayed with classic. Although I was looking for a clean look but Helvetica did not completely do it for me.
- alfred westerveld
I wish your theme showed when people visited your profile. It would put them up to par with Tumblr or Posterous.
- Jesse Stay
Helvetica
- Lu Tao
bamboo
- maurizio
Helvetica :)
- Federico Fasce
Helvetica
- Sally Church
Blue Wave
- Russ Jackson
Helvetica, but I wish I could change it to Georgia:)
- Shawn Hickman
Blue Wave
- Roberto Bonini
Still deciding which I like best.
- John
most useless thing ever launched :-)
- Luca Filigheddu
Not true, branding and self epxression are very important
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah this isn't branding - only you can see it. I don't see Bamboo when I visit your profile.
- Jesse Stay
*I* see Bamboo when I visit his profile. Must be something wrong with your settings Jesse :P
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jesse, you beat me to it. It's only branding or self expression if you share a screenshot of your own theme.
- Laura Norvig
Seems like an odd release to put energy into, unless it's leading to something bigger - I would have rather seen threaded comments or moderation on comments or similar.
- Jesse Stay
This is a very important release. remember, self expression was key to myspace adoption --and blogs. (yes you can click on someone's name and see their style)
- Jeremiah Owyang
It appears to change very little about the site, Jesse. I doubt this required much work from the people who'd be overhauling the comment system.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Helvetica
- Craig Eddy
I'm using the girlie pink flower/butterfly one. It makes me happy. :)
- Daynah
I think if anything it relieves the friendfeed team of the responsibility of choosing a color scheme and puts some control in the hands of the users - not a bad thing.
- Laura Norvig
I took flowers for now, but might play around with the others to see which I like the most.
- Aden
Jeremiah, when I click on people's name I don't see their style ...
- Laura Norvig
bamboo
- Fred Yankowski
I went for boring Helvetica for starters.
- John E. Bredehoft
bamboo it's cool
- Brian Hendrickson
I like the new Fresh look. It suits well wiith the logo :-)
- Miguel Caetano
I'm going with bamboo for now!
- Steve Borgman
Bamboo for now. :-)
- Rick Cogley
Helvetica
- Hutch Carpenter
Loving my Helvetica.
- AJ Kohn
Bamboo FTW
- Nolan Alston
Fresh!
- Nathan Chase
Me helvetica
- ladislaugirona
Sex Drugs Helvetica Bold http://www.aisleone.net/2008...
- Jarrold Ong
I went with Helvetica
- (jeff)isageek
I went with butterfly corner :)
- Sara Maternini
Friendfeed Management Team: Noticed their slow yet steady pace of product enhancements. Only once did they do a large revamp, this tool is slowly being evolved. What are they doing? Agile development? Rapid deployment? I like to suggest they are "slowly changing the water in the fishbowl so the fish rarely notice" gulp gulp.
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Feels a bit like scrum. Something new every few weeks to a month. I wonder how they keep track of tasks internally?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
what is a "scrum"
- Jeremiah Owyang
I love the incremental changes
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Um... Daniel, we use friendfeed to keep track of tasks internally :)
- Ross Miller
No calendaring or deadlines of any sort?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
It's odd how slow they are compared to how fast other, similar products evolve (like Posterous).
- Brandon Mendelson
the mind boggles
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Also wow @ Posterous as a similar product. Posterous is similar in that it allows you to post multimedia stuff to a lifestream, but show me their realtime commenting and content discovery engine and granular search features...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
As long as they haven't put the fishbowl over a stove top and are slowly turning up the heat.
- John E. Bredehoft
I have started using Friendfeed as a research clip board via bookmarklet to a Private Group and an outliner for writing tasks. Getting close to 101 uses for FF.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
You lifestreaming? Like it!
- Steve Rubel
from iPhone
John: LOL. That thought came to me as well.
- Joe Bonner
I would *love* to interview the FF team on their Product & Project Management methodologies, etc.
- Susan Beebe
Have you noticed they've also stopped blogging about these changes? Fewer people talk about the "little things" when you don't make it obvious.
- Jesse Stay
Great observation, Jeremiah! Google has been accused of following an "under the radar" product enhancement as well. It seems to be very effective in both cases.
- Larry Hawes
Smells like agile, scrum or other extreme programming type of situation. I, personally, enjoy those environments. You get things out faster and can iterate or destroy with intelligence.
- AJ Kohn
I live near Ben Golub, a FF developer, here in Rochester NY - OK Ben can we have an Dev process interview? I'll by lunch!! :)
- Susan Beebe
We use the obscure "just get it done" methodology. Unfortunately, I don't think that there are any books written about it :)
- Paul Buchheit
@Paul: Well, I think you just found the title of a new productivity book. "Just Get it Done" You know, for all that free time you have to write. :)
- AJ Kohn
...where i work it's: "...just get it done...NOW!!!"
- .LAG liked that
Paul - I know that one!! LOL :)
- Susan Beebe
Jesse: We don't blog?
- Kevin Fox
Doing things and talking about them, or worse, talking about the process used to talk about them, are (surprisingly to some) not in the same order of magnitude of productivity. Big companies like to make the assumption that talking is the ONLY way to do things. Excellent small teams operate like "expert brains" that just get stuff done. Bravo to "just get it done"!
- Michael Herf
Kevin, you blog, but my point was you don't blog every new feature. Often you just launch features and let people gradually discover them. Maybe I just missed a few blog posts or something, but that's been my observation.
- Jesse Stay
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, either - I think it's smart.
- Jesse Stay
My only concern when I hear the Agile, Rapid, SCRUM or the "Just get it done" methodology mentioned is the fact that some developers who use those methods don't use them correctly. Without proper testing and documentation, developmental work is just looking to fail. I hear plenty of developers use the words but not understand the correct method. Beta testing is NOT the work of the demographic you are marketing to, and upgrades are no laughing matter if you don't know what you could be breaking or changing.
- Kathleen Forden
I just checked and you can still monitor updates by viewing their changelog which is still live at http://changelog.friendfeed.com/ although it may not be updating.
- Mark Krynsky
This I mentioned during our video at Plaxo. It's like being a frog in boiling water.
- Louis Gray
Louis, you act like we're all dying here ;-)
- Jesse Stay
good observation! combined with the rockbottom stability; very fast solving of bugs I conclude that the development process must be top-notch. Otherwise this incremental releasing of new features would be much more difficult. No suprise if you know that Paul and some other Friendfeeders previously have developed Google mail and Google maps; Google mail now having more than 100' mailboxes (must be very solid architecture and very scalable as well)
- Jeroen De Miranda
Releasing things frequently increases quality independent of any testing simply because things get *really* tested (by real users) and fixed at a much faster rate. Weekly code pushes sound more stable, but they require an order of magnitude more testing inherently, because when you find a bug, you can't push out a fix for seven days.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks Bret...
- Jeremiah Owyang
http://www.web-strategist.com/blog... Friendfeed launched "branded profiles" yesterday for it's users. The next step would be for them to allow brands to reskin this application and embed on corporate sites that aggregate relevant topics about brands and products.
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This "white label aggregator' is the topic of today's blog post (see link above) and could be a monetization strategy for Friendfeed. The challenge is, most brands are not yet ready for this.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I created a new FF account to find out who they were promoting as the recommended "Top Friendfeeders" today they are: Robert Scoble, Leo Laporte, mashable, Kevin Rose, Jason Calacanis, Veronica, Barack Obama, Dave Winer, Scott Beale, Chris Brogan, l0ckergn0me, Loic Le Meur
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Based on your friends list or as a generic/global list?
- Chris Saad
of course Prolific Programmer is not up there
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
that's not all of them i believe. most of those aren't even using ff - love it.
- Allen Stern
It's not "MY" list as I gave no information to them other than my email address. I doubt they were able to scrape my address list
- Jeremiah Owyang
Allen, many have lots of followers, but may not be active conversing. I don't converse here often
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hey, did they forget to mention me? I'm the 390th most active user, you see.
- Ton Zijp
I don't understand why they promote Top FriendFeeders who don't actually use the service. It's like having an exclusive VIP club, but every time you go there it's empty and the only interaction you get is stories about all those interesting VIP's via the bartender.
- Rahsheen ™
Yes, it's very lame. Tamar's thread on same topic... http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- anna
Ok most of them I can understand since I seen them take part of some conversation in FF however I have never seen Kevin Rose take part in a FF conversation and obvious the addition of Barrack Obama is just name dropping.
- Kim Landwehr
If it makes you feel any better, I'd recommend you.
- Daniel Honigman
Thanks Daniel, cool :)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Thomas Hawk posted about it this morning. See the discussion here: http://friendfeed.com/thomash...
- Tamar Weinberg
Anna, I can only guess my little controversy piqued Jeremiah's curiosity ;)
- Tamar Weinberg
they might not have that right, but after loads of expressed interest, now we can have... themes. :(
- Jeremy Toeman
I wouldn't get so upset, Jeremy. I bitched yesterday. Themes were probably in the making for longer than that. Ana from FF chimed in on the discussion yesterday and said they're paying attention and I appreciate that. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
i'm not all that upset... i just don't get the priorities, that's all...
- Jeremy Toeman
Yeah - I suppose they didn't think about it till yesterday.
- Tamar Weinberg
Friendfeeders: I'm not as active in FF as I could be, and wish it could change, I can barely keep up with email, let alone Twitter replies and DMs. I hope you don't take offensive, but I'm giving all that I can. (A few folks mentioned I don't participate enough here) One promise: I'll never 'outsource' my conversations like some bloggers do
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Bah! There's no wrong way to FF. Don't stress on it.
- Curtis Jackson
I think the pressure to be present on all these services has to find its own level.
- Francine Hardaway
from PeopleBrowsr
I thought "there's no wrong way to eat a Reese's"?
- MicahBear78
Without naming names (or with naming names :)) can you expand on what you mean by outsourcing conversations?
- Joe Bonner
from PeopleBrowsr
Joe, some "big names" have their lackeys twitter for them. I'm not aware of something similar happening on FF though.
- Tad, Anti-Immanentizer
from fftogo
If someone is doing that on FF, I want to know who it is so I can unfollow them.
- Rochelle
Well, by posting on Twitter and in your WebStrategist blog, you contribute to FriendFeed as well, so no problem here :)
- Pavlo Zahozhenko
Tad: Thanks. I understand now (and I think I even know at least one that does this).
- Joe Bonner
from PeopleBrowsr
Joe Bonner. Many of the top bloggers have assistants that do their tweeting, blogging, and email for them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Thanks for the reply, Jeremiah.
- Joe Bonner
With a day job, it's hard to find time to cover all possible bases. I follow you on most of the sites that you use and I think you do a great job of covering where you can.
- Tim Miner
THanks Tim!
- Jeremiah Owyang
I think it makes your conversations more valuable - just keep doing what you're doing Jeremiah. We know you're busy.
- Jesse Stay
...we're all so busy, it's amazing anyone gets anything done, let alone keep up with this realtime 2010 Web, or whatever you want to call it.
- .LAG liked that
@JOwyang you could pipe you @replies into a private group and do the majority of tweeting from Friendfeed. With the following you have and the interest in your content you'll never leave
- Deano @ Byron New Media
It's an outrage! Because of your lack of FF usage I am considering canceling my subscription to FF altogether.
- Steve Arrowood
Dude. You don't need to post any explanations.
- Daniel Honigman
Keep going, your honesty is refreshing!!
- Guillaume Foutry
Liked because I'm offended by bloggers who outsource their blogs and Twitter profiles.
- Brandon Mendelson
Walk the Talk. Best Buy is hiring a social media strategist http://www.bestbuy-jobs.com/job... Preferred requirements? "250 plus followers on Twitter"
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Only 250? Getting followers is easy.
- Jesse Stay
LOL! They're affraid if they had more followers it would cost too much :)
- Owen Greaves
What they should really be saying is "250 plus subscribers on your blog" - that's not quite as easy
- Jesse Stay
Lame. uh, how much does it pay? ;-)
- Laura Norvig
A TweetPsych evaluation may be more informative than the number of followers. =)
- Mike Smith
250+ twitter followers comes is right under "graduate degree". LOVE. THIS. POST.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
The 1 year blogging experience is set low too.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
from BuddyFeed
I don't see why that's such a big deal LPH but I'm not in marketing...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
250+ Twitter followers, and you beat me to it Daniel, just under the grad degree. Imagine being the poor soul with 225 avid followers they actively engage with while working toward their PHD. They would be SOL ;)
- Patrick Boegel
That logic (250+ Twitter followers = graduate degree) makes Oprah, Britney and @Aplusk all geniuses
- Deano @ Byron New Media
let me make a simple statement... whatever agency, analyst, outside consultant or internal employee who decided that any number of followers should be a metric used for hiring, should be fired immediately. I know you like pushing BB Jeremiah but this should be something you should clearly come out against. I could get 250 followers in 10 minutes. Here's my new tagline "Followers are the new hits." <- will do a post after my "rss subs are the new hits" from last year.
- Allen Stern
I agree Allen, followers isn't the only measurement of success. Good thing they had a long page about other requirements.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah: Followers should not be a measure of success. I could friend 2,000 people today and have 300-400 people follow back with cheesy "auto follow". You really think followers should be considered at all?
- Johnny Schroepfer
This is approaching a similar situation I observed before launching DataPortability Project - everyone saying the same thing but no one saying it definitively in one place - A group of industry people should declare the Personal Recommendations world HERE and define some criteria for recommendations (topics/interests/friends/influence within your circle (not popularity) etc
- Chris Saad
maybe what their agency/analyst should suggest is that those who come in for an interview where a shirt that shows in real-time how many followers they have on twitter? shame on best buy.
- Allen Stern
Allen does my SocialMedian shirt count?
- Jesse Stay
jesse - i am not going to comment on that one **must resist**
- Allen Stern
How about my Disqus T-Shirt?
- Jesse Stay
that's very cool and shows us the importance in social media
- Petes2Cents.com
Or I could wear both of my Disqus T-Shirts :-)
- Jesse Stay
jesse - don't push me - i am already dealing with loic driving and making "stupid" videos as he called it.
- Allen Stern
So I registered DATAPERSONALIZATION.COM/.NET/.ORG - can u imagine a 1 page site that explains it once and for all so we can lobby?
- Chris Saad
Everyone Hug Allen Stern, he needs it, I'll start *Jeremiah hugs Allen*
- Jeremiah Owyang
Scripts, anyone?
- Daniel Honigman
*Jesse hugs Allen in his SocialMedianDisqus shirt*
- Jesse Stay
lol at jesse stay
- Jeremiah Owyang
Allen always needs a hug *Hugs Allen* :)
- Chris Saad
hey my man chris - jesse you keep away from me with those shirts!
- Allen Stern
@Allen: we demand a blog post. Now!
- Jorge Escobar
Jeremiah - that was so good I RT"ed it -- but looking at that job req really indicates some serious gaps! Yikes, BestBuy does NEED a social media manager asap! wow
- Susan Beebe
jorge - already in progress. must get my editor/CEO to approve it
- Allen Stern
A blog with an editor! Lifecasting FTL!
- Jorge Escobar
LOLing at this list of "Top Friendfeeders" this won't last long --wait till @aplusk comes over then it gets on Oprah http://www.ffholic.com/Users... Or will it.
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Hmmm this is what has me concerned. Can already see an increase in Subbers here.
- Kate Foy
what are subbers?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Subscribers
- Kate Foy
Doubtful Oprah will feature it. She seems to be suffering some audience backlash by bringing out different technical platforms. (See: Skype)
- Brandon Mendelson
Twitter seems made for celebs and such, they can more or less broadcast. Don't think some of them will care for the interactivity of ff
- Bill Kinney
Is Blogging Evolving Into Life Streams? - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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I have been looking at Posterous since Steve has been talking about it so much. It really is quite a powerful tool. Always interesting times.
- Sean Brady
good one Jeremiah. The bits and bites of lifestreams often leaves thoughtful long form pieces behind, while offering on the other hand the immediacy and rapid breaking news approach. I guess I like/need and want some of both
- Richard Binhammer
I of late have certainly turned to lifestreaming more than blogging. Given my current lifestyle, I only have time to find interesting content and interact with short conversations. I certainly think blogs have their place but I think they will morph into smaller "lifestream-compatible" posts.
- Dilip Dand
Life streaming happens all the time. Blogging is what I do when I stop to reflect on what has been happening. Real-time vs Context.
- Dominic Jones
Blogging for me is for essays. Life Stream: information and random thoughts and ideas
- Melanie Reed
I've been using Posterous as a "Quick Hits" outlet to post excerpts & brief responses to - http://alexschleber.posterous.com (granted, some people have felt like they'll just post those same items to their main blog, but I wasn't quite ready for that), so I can see Steve's need for a shorter outlet. After all any solo-blogger is now in some way competing with armies like TechCrunch,...
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- Alex Schleber
Jeremiah, slightly OT, but where did you get the widget that shows FriendFeed likes and comments on your blog post? I've been using FriendFeed's embed, but yours looks different (e.g., all the "likers" being listed out in bullet point format; avatars for the commenters)
- Mark Traphagen
A Blog is an essential component of a lifestream. It always has been, but these days the term "lifestream" is just becoming popular and many people do not yet know what it means. It is a stream of all activity on-line. Friendfeed is a real-time lifestream.
- @GarinKilpatrick
i think you're mistaken about scoble's loss of voice. i think the difference is that he's directly engaging a more active community. i still think blogs are disconnected compared to something like FF. The thing about FF is that it's social and it's directional. It's a conversation and a broadcast.
- Scott Magdalein
I've made quite a few updates as Scoble has returned to blogging, and Louis Gray has posted some very helpful graphics
- Jeremiah Owyang
Mark, I'm not sure, but my web designer Mitch gives answers http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
- Jeremiah Owyang
Have to agree with Dominic ... It's all lifestreaming but in different forms based on context and the need to express yourself at the time.
- Jonathan Greene
Joanathan, Dominic is right. We're life streaming all the time. Blog posts force us to stop, think, and sort through the constant stream, without this, we're always swimming. Come to shore once in a while.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Yes but it will happen when having a iPhone 3Gs class mobile phones with full Wave protocol integration becomes the norm worldwide and normal people begin to post blogs about life events & WTF events from their phones.
- Michael Mooney
"Is the Hub and Spoke Model Adaptable?" by @armano (sure is, see comments) http://darmano.typepad.com/logic_e...
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All due respect, I read that post re Forrester's suggested corporate models for "social media" and frankly feel it is a tad facile. The "3 options" suggested belie a certain level of naivety when it comes to how this stuff actually works in-market, in real-time, with real conversation streams, people and clouds. No dis, but i find that Forrester's stuff around this messy and rapidly evolving space tends to be consistently academic and about 6-9 months behind the curve... you guys need to get out more.
- Thom Kennon
Thanks Thom. So what org model do you suggest? What's coming in the next 6-9 months? Part of research is talking to smart folks like you, I'm listening.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah - you flatter, but I think the biggest flaw in how most brands and companies are treating "social media" is they continue to approach it as a functional, operational and communciations offshoot of corporate PR and comms. "Word of mouth", "influencer marketing" etc. We're building organic operational marketing models that focus on things like presence & participation, visibility...
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- Thom Kennon
I get you. I you know my background I ran the social media program at Hitachi Data Systems --I come from practice first hand. The challenge with companies is that when there are investments for resources, headcounts, this requires accountability, and therefore program management. Let's take email for example, while everyone uses it in a company, there's still an official 'email...
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- Jeremiah Owyang
Messy and non-linear are smoke screens used to make social media seem like some grand Wizard of Oz that is very difficult to comprehend and understand, let alone engage with. Everything is messy and non-linear, social media is just newer and more raw, with lots of must, can't, shouldn't, tossed about to make that much more cloudy.
- Patrick Boegel
Jeremiah - yes the tech aspects are critical, but the Forrester guidance of "making it 80% strategy and 20% technical" is so far away from a critical planning approach that i think it invites brands to ask and answer the wrong set of questions when setting SM strategy. Once a strategy (with real KPIs) is set, this stuff needs a small nimble team eg a producer, a search guy, maybe a...
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- Thom Kennon
Broadly, i agree with both the posts. The question one could ask is ( maybe its basic ).. what role does the partner of a company play in such a hub and spoke model. I am very interested to know views on how external partner companies blend in this model. I am refer to companies that bring capability such as design, service, manufacturing etc..Thanks!
- Syamant
Thom, was not a jab at you, I am well aware it is not Wizard of Oz, that was my point, but the avalanche of gurus and jedis in the special space of "social media" is a bit false to me. I pulled the words from your response (messy and non-linear) but it was not meant to imply you are using them as a smoke screen. It is sad if this is seen as a new type of smart marketing, that being...
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- Patrick Boegel
If you think FriendFeed's community is abusive remember that bloggers had Valleywag to worry about. EVERY online community is abusive. Do I need to remind you how many "I am unfollowing Scoble" Tweets I have seen? They ALL are abusive. And heck, back in college the Unix users made fun of me because I used a "toy computer." you know that as a Mac.
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I use one of those 'toy computers' and I wouldn't use anything else ;)
- Stuart
I have been on many online communities since I joined in 1984 and FriendFeed is the best.
- Robert Scoble
any community has its abusive segments, FF included, it's the nature of human groups
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Prolific: yup, it is part of hanging out with passionate people.
- Robert Scoble
The detachment of the digital medium always seems to unleash the darker side of people who would otherwise be friendly.
- Ade
It is always easier to blame others than to find blame in yourself, period.
- Louis Gray
Stuart: they all use Macs now too.
- Robert Scoble
all people, passionate or otherwise, @scobleizer
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
I think this is a poor use of the word "abusive". And Macs ARE Unix boxes now, so of course they do.
- Neal Jansons
Ade: Iran proves that some people just aren't friendly online or off.
- Robert Scoble
What Robert says is true enough. I sometimes wonder why people act like insults and arguments are new and shocking, and I conclude it's because they weren't watching during the UseNet days.
- MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)
Neal: back then their ire was aimed at GUI's. They thought real computer users used command lines.
- Robert Scoble
I've always been afraid of Internet communities until I discovered FriendFeed.
- Mona Nomura
Oh, people crying wah nowadays should have seen the messageboards on my old hacker BBS when I was kid.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
strange how people say stuff online they would never say in person
- Peter du Toit
Peter: the more I get around the more I realize some WOULD say that to you in person. I will take ALL my online abuse vs. An Iranian clubbing.
- Robert Scoble
Remember how Arrington was spit on?
- Robert Scoble
Peter: Reminds me of http://www.urbandictionary.com/define...
- Nicholas James
Robert: Re Arrington being spat on -- yeah, but you're a nice guy. :) No, spitting is not nice not matter who it is.
- Diego Barros
I was rather horrified when Mike got spit on...he/his family got threatened, too, if I remember right. People are not nearly as civilized as a lot of us would like to believe.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
Robert: I hear you. I guess mobs online or off are not cool.
- Peter du Toit
Nicholas: lol
- Peter du Toit
Peter: I will take an online mob over an offline one any day. Pixels might get me angry but they will never break my bones.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I know that. Only saying that IT somehow seems to embolden people to do mischief.
- Ade
Lol
- Mohammad Edriss Afzali
Raobert: that's why I am saying we shouldn't call the pixel version abusive...hearing/reading words you don't like or are insulting is not abuse. Kids getting beaten, prisoners being tortured, women being terrorized, etc...that's abuse.
- Neal Jansons
from IM
I think friend feed has a lot of smart people on it. What more can you ask from relative strangers than some degree of civility and intelligence.
- James Watters
Robert: thats a quotable quote :-)
- Peter du Toit
Peter: Miriam here on FriendFeed is worrying whether she will see her friends again. She is in Iran. And we are worrying about whether Aaron will stay on Friendfeed or not. How lame we are.
- Robert Scoble
You could have just said "that's quotable" you dumbass :)
- James Watters
Our revolutionary war father's fought against an arrogant king in the dream that someday, we too could kill a Friday night with internet ruminations.
- James Watters
Anna, thanks for following me. I can barely keep up with my blog and my day job --let alone FF. Jesse, thanks for the votes of confidence.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Miriam's in Iran RIGHT NOW?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Robert: I think the greatest challenge we all face is to rise above our personal experience and drama and to see it in context or compare it to other far more serious issues being played out. Important to do but not easy
- Peter du Toit
Prolific: my Maryam is here. Miriam, though, is in Iran.
- Robert Scoble
I'd say that ANYTHING social in nature, since it involves human beings, is bound to be abusive...it's just what people do. Unfortunately.
- Carlton Hackett
Miriam in Iran is here: http://friendfeed.com/guineve...
- Robert Scoble
I'm not concerned about whether or not Aaron stays or goes. What concerns me is that he thinks if someone's offended by an insult he hurls at a group of people, it's that person's "choice," but if he gets a little back, it's an attack. I will cease to be concerned about that soon enough, though :).
- MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)
Minimage: that is why I blocked him. I don't have enough time to put up with that.
- Robert Scoble
"It is always easier to blame others than to find blame in yourself, period." - Louis Gray <----YES! And I shall pull a most appropriate quote from "Cyrano de Bergerac" (the original stage play) into the next comment...
- Micah Wittman
"CYRANO: Why, I well believe He dares to mock my nose? Ho! insolent! (He raises his sword): What say you? It is useless? Ay, I know But who fights ever hoping for success? I fought for lost cause, and for fruitless quest! You there, who are you!--You are thousands! Ah! I know you now, old enemies of mine! Falsehood! (He strikes in air with his sword): Have at you! Ha! and Compromise!...
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- Micah Wittman
"I think friend feed has a lot of smart people on it" - James. This is so very true ;)
- Diego Barros
Neal: verbal abuse is still harmful, even while to a far lesser degree than physical
- Mike Chelen
The "passionate people" thing is a bit of a cop out. It's perfectly possible to be passionate without being an ass about it. It just requires a little empathy or failing that manners.
- Eoghann Irving
I don't think Valleywag ever took potshots at the common man-- or am I wrong?
- Andy DeSoto
Andy: define "common." the common man isn't using a computer yet.
- Robert Scoble
Eoghann: when someone is advocating for taking away my rights that calls for stronger tactics. The Iranian protesters aren't always nice. Sometimes people are wrong and need to be told that in no uncertain terms.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble: someone may have a physical presence in the world with a name but are they really considered "alive" or "human" if they aren't on Facebook, Twitter and FF and have a computer (preferably a Mac) ;)
- Mike Bracco
No good deed goes unpunished
- Charlton Barreto
If "abusive" means that we use the traditional standards of libel, that should be just fine with everyone. This tendency towards standards that don't allow saying anything that could hurt anyone's feelings even if true for public conduct has some pretty bad authoritarian side effects.
- Andy Carrel
We're doing pretty well on the "common man" thing, at least here in the United States. Neilsen Online's last U.S. estimate had 231 million American internet users, which works out to almost 3/4 of the total population. Impressive.
- Chris Baskind
Chris: there are almost seven billion people on earth. Only one out of seven has a computer.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer are you counting mobile phones as computers?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Yup: Just talking about the United States. It's coming along, though. There are about 1.5 billion people online.
- Chris Baskind
like Tony Montana said "you need people like me". Powerful words, don't forget them.
- iTbay
Prolific: most mobile phones are useless for the web. I don't count those.
- Robert Scoble
In the '80s I used to joke, "How can you tell the difference between a Mac user and a PC user? The Mac users have girlfriends." (So did Amiga users but that's a different story... But then again, that could have been because of the Mac OS emulation. Hehe.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Neal: Online psychological warfare was a pre-runner to multi-player online gaming. If not for my participation on early BBSs, I wouldn't have a practical understanding of logical arguments, cognitive linguistics, emotional triggers, or herd behavior. All of which turned out to be marketable skills.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Haha, now that's a point, Mark. I like to think that users got some value out of our BBS (other than plans to build a Blue Box or the latest list of 950 cutout numbers...it was a hacker board, after all).
- Neal Jansons
Heh, if people are arguing with you and abusing you, then you probably are doing something right!
- Malcolm Bastien
Hey, I unfollowed you on twitter, but that's 'coz I already follow you on FF and pretty much 100% of your tweets are from FF. Why duplicate stuff? That ain't abusive!
- Yuvi
Yuvi: unfollowing isn't abusive. Saying you are unfollowing is.
- Robert Scoble
I do remember tweeting about unfollowing you, citing the fact that I get your content on FF anyway. But yeah, I do get your point.
- Yuvi
Chennai, India. Named after my second favourite curry: Madras.
- Mark
Robert: actually very thankful for messages explaining when and why people unfollow me, *if* they are friendly and constructive
- Mike Chelen
Mark: now that macs are used by real computer people, some of them don't have girlfriends either :D
- Mike Chelen
Robert: I think you're letting your pain blur your thinking... be strong, grasshopper! When you said "EVERY online community is abusive." you went a bit overboard... blub, blub, blub! Here's the thing about communities. They DO have characteristics as a group, and some are more friendly than others, as a group, but all groups are made out of very diverse individuals... because even in...
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- Fred Davis
Fred, every online community has a group identity that defines it as as a group of 'insiders' versus some 'outside' external to the group. That's what makes it a community. And that's often where the nastiness sets in - in struggles over group identity. I would say that's what makes all online groups 'abusive' in at least some respects.
- Scot Mcphee
It was the same with IRC, same with Usenet and the same even with the BBS's - if you were an outsider, then some others may flame you or make your online life suck. Nothing new here...
- dannystaple
Be nice if everyone came online to help each other out IMAGINE
- John Sullivan
It is unfortunate that so many believe abuse - whether verbal, emotional or physical - is acceptable. The greatest issue of ours or any time is not the pursuit of money - it is the pursuit of power over others.
- Internet Strategist
In the 1980's I started with a Mac 512K, a printer and two floppy drives, at $3,300.00 it seemed a bit pricey. But my engineer peers in Hollywood bought PC's, and it took them hours of configuring just to print! Smug me just printed my reports and went home! WYSIWYG was awesome...
- Nicholas Chase
@Internet Strategist: Don't be so certain people are accepting abuse. What I'm dismissing is the notion that coming to FriendFeed opens one up to much more abuse than one could've ever encountered on the internet. I may not know much about social media, but I joined so many listservs in 1993 that I had to go through over 150 emails a day, & I saw nastiness then. From there, I moved to MUDding, IRC, & UseNet, & then the web came along. People sometimes got nasty everywhere. To think anything else is silly.
- MiniMage (FakeLifePerson)
But the Unix users were right :)
- Ryo
I am unfollowing Scoble because of this abusive comment. It has mortally offended me, and I am seeing my lawyer. And if you believe that, I have this bridge I can sell you... :)
- Ian Betteridge
+1 on the Unix users were right. :]
- Mark Woodson
Can you be a thought leader without a blog? I'll discuss that here:
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Jeremiah Owyang last night was giving me crap about not blogging. I notice that the people on the top of the http://www.ffholic.com most popular lists aren't participants, they are mostly thought leaders.
- Robert Scoble
OK what is a "thought leader"
- anna
He misses the "thought leadership" that I provided on my blog.
- Robert Scoble
And Forrester thinks they are "thought leaders" (instead of analysts) which I got from a recruiter there.
- anna
Yes - through twitter and FriendFeed
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Are you a thought leader or a conversation leader Robert? I'd call you a conversation leader.
- James Watters
We discussed that a bit over beers and it takes thought and time to put together a blog, especially one that is going to get discussion.
- Robert Scoble
I think you give plenty of thought leadership here at FriendFeed.
- Bill Kinney
I can be a thought leader w/o a blog only if a bear shits in the woods.
- geoff hines
I wonder what he's really asking or saying to you.
- Myrna
I'm willing to bet if you're a thought leader you have a blog. How often you update it is another issue
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Myrna: I think a lot of people want to read considered opinion, not little grunts or small items on friendfeed or Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
It all comes down to audience doesn't it?
- Mitch
is a thought leader who has a blog but doesn't' have startup experience or experience building a company akin to the old saying that "those who can't do teach"...would be interested on your thoughts Robert.
- Mike Bracco
Well, I miss your personal blog too, but really you have transferred that energy over to Building43, so pretty much we are getting you're take over there
- Stephen Pickering
tylergillies: I wonder if you can be a thought leader without a blog, though? Can you be seen as "serious" by just Twittering or FriendFeeding? The evidence says no.
- Robert Scoble
Yes. You can be a thought leader without a blog. It depends on your subject and your audience - it all depends on who you are a thought leader to.
- Rachel Clarke
Maybe he wants to know there's a place he can find you instead of searching for your FF postings.
- Myrna
Re: grunts on friendfeed, the same thing can be said for books and magazine articles compared to the idiots on television.
- Mitch
James: I used to do a lot of longer pieces over on my blog which many told me were thought leadership.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder if Ghandi and MLK would be blogging...
- Ken Sheppardson
Not all leadership is thought leadership, lets make that clear first.
- James Watters
I think you're the guy that brings people together. You're the firestarter. You don't need a blog for that.
- erwin blom
You need to gain a following, then say "eff it" and get rid of the blog. For instance, no one listens to a damn word I say
- Mike Nayyar
Being a thought leader requires coherent original thought a medium to express that thought and an audience who are interested in either you or the subject matter.
- Anton Mannering
the truly confident have nothing to prove. but sharing is caring.
- Mike White
erwin: I agree, but why aren't the most active participants here on FriendFeed (or over on Twitter) the ones who get to the top of most popular lists? I think it comes from authority, influence, (and in Twitter's case, getting lucky and getting put on the Suggested User List) but those are things that are hard to earn 140 characters at a time.
- Robert Scoble
For me to consider anyone a thought leader, they had better have made a career out of what they say and do. I don't consider someone a leader in something until it is their life.
- Mitch
YES mike!
- Myrna
But you know Robert on your personal blog, its like we are always talking about just getting it out there, I wouldn't worry about it being perfect. It's like this blogger that Jason interview on one of his first shows said, "The biggest thing I had to teach new bloggers in order to be successful was the ability to hit the "Publish" button.
- Stephen Pickering
For instance, one of my tutors was thought leader in the origin of apples. he's never got near a blog.
- Rachel Clarke
you bet Ghandi, et al would be blogging as they were keen to communicate to the masses
- Geer
One could argue that thoughts are occasionally more than just quick 140-ish character blips from one's skull. Some thoughts require more in depth thought and consideration. So I think that long term, no you can't be a thought leader without blogging or writing some form of thought piece. Isn't that what a thought leader is? Someone who brings ideas to the forefront using logic to back up and show how they drew those thoughts?
- Michael Koby
The greatest thought leaders are people like Zuckerberg and Brin/Page - who are CREATING the companies of the future - WRITING blog is sort of beside the point right?
- Mike Bracco
I think this shows that Jowyang never participates in FF, which is a pity b/c I followed him here!
- anna
anna: Jeremiah has a day job: to write reports and white papers and meet with companies for Forrester.
- Robert Scoble
Pre-internet, editors of widely read highbrow magazines were definitely considered thought leaders by their peers and readers. Filtering, featuring and commenting on relevant and cutting edge content via Friendfeed, Twitter and Posterous is arguably an analogous pursuit -- if done well.
- Alex Gault
I think the assumptionthat the only method of communication to be a thought leader is using a blog is flawed. A blog is fine if the people you intend to be a thought leader for read blogs. If they don't I'd suggest you go where the audience is. Or the conversation.
- Anton Mannering
Don't confuse popular with thought leaders.
- Jim Turner
Robert: well I'm new to following you this year, so I would definitely say your current medium has affected my view/opinion of you. At the same time I also really valued your leadership on the Iran front and will admit I was moved by it.
- James Watters
If you don't have a blog you know nothing about social media and wouldn't be considered a "thought leader" at least in this context
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
The best/most interesting ideas tend to be the shortest and most concise - therefore no, all you need is Twitter and a following
- Nick Smith
To me, blogs are for essays, and a certain less-early-adopter audience. But tey are going rapidly by the wayside, and that's totally OK with me. This was a hot topic at my happy hour #2 after 21st amendment, where some old publishing industry, SF journalists were, most of them were bloggers, new to Twitter. When I mentioned Friendfeed, the expressions were "we have no idea what you are talking about" but they have learned to embrace, instead of running from it.
- anna
Yes Anna and Anton
- Myrna
"I accomplish in ten words what many authors fail in a lifetime of books." Nietzsche
- James Watters
Nick: well, then, why are the people at the top of the Twitter lists almost always people who either blogged or worked in some other media, like TV or films?
- Robert Scoble
I wrote on a Paul Bucheit post that blogs aren't dead, what's dead is text, Video is 10x more compelling and more likely to be consumed
- Stephen Pickering
@robert agree. Maybe the best is the combination of indepth vision in blogposts with firestarting and engaging in Twiitter / Friendfeed amongst others.
- erwin blom
Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, Paul Krugman, Stephen Hawking, et al...those are the thought leaders...how many of them are blogging?
- Alex Scoble
@TomVMorris is a thought leader and he's doing a good job of keeping it on Twitter. But for most topics, I would think you need a better tool, then just Tweets.
- Robert Wilkins
Alex: +1
- Mike Bracco
Stephen: I am big into video and I disagree. Video is more likely to communicate emotion and visual cues, but is harder to consume. On the other hand, I think video is very important to being seen as a thought leader on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Bill Gates??? Rich monopolist who has credibility because of power.
- James Watters
If you wrote a piece for the Atlantic Monthly I'd consider you a thought leader :)
- James Watters
Yeah you're right, I can read a blog post quicker than 15 minutes
- Stephen Pickering
Alex all those guys still have a vehicle with which tio relay their thoughts. which is what I think is the real idea behind blogs.
- Jim Turner
I rarely consume video. it takes too long compared to the written word.
- Rachel Clarke
The point is that he built something real. An empire. What has Michael Arrington built?
- Alex Scoble
James: that's not why Bill has credibility with me. He knows more about technology business (and now charity) than any single human being I've met.
- Robert Scoble
Thought leadership operates across a reasonable broad continuum of medium : at one end Twitter, the other end Books, with Blogs down towards the Twitter end - so they play a part but there is too much noise!
- Geer
James: credibility b/c built a great business that changed the computing world maybe...
- Mike Bracco
yes you can be a thought leader without a blog.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Yeah, but an empire built on shadiness, capturing people
- Stephen Pickering
Alex: Arrington has built a news network that is very good. I can't compete with it.
- Robert Scoble
to be a thought leader, all you need is a platform. a blog is just one of the many you can choose
- Rachel Clarke
Jeremiah's a smart guy - he's good to catch one-on-one time with. I'm with Jeremiah on this one.
- Jesse Stay
"The king will always have eloquence for a simple reason, the drum roll before he speaks" Nietzsche (my view of Gates)
- James Watters
I don't like these discussions on "what's dead/dying" because it's always absurd hyperbole.
- Mitch
Same for Buffet, his only business strategy is consolidation, becoming a monopoly in an area and then hammering you
- Stephen Pickering
@ Robert See Jim Turner's comment - Don't confuse 'popular' with 'thought leaders'.
- Nick Smith
That said, Jeremiah's also the one that convinced me to use Google Reader much less than I used to and rely more on FriendFeed and Twitter to find the news.
- Jesse Stay
Mitch: I don't think blogging is dead and anyway anytime you say someone say something is dead just replace that word with 'becoming less interesting" and it almost always fits.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sorry guys, when Gates thought the internet wrist watch was the next big thing? Please please explain how that is the best ever.
- James Watters
Not all thoughts can be narrowed to 140 characters and that is what blogs are for, they are for longer thoughts and essays. I think you need a blog to be a thought leader it is just not necessary to post to it everyday about everything.
- Kim Landwehr
@robert The good thing about blogging is it freezes time. It gives you time and breath to think. It's there tomorrow as well. FF is real time and evolving. This conversation develops every minute. And tomorrow i won't find it anymore or easy. So yes: start blogging again ;-)
- erwin blom
Microsoft is one of the greatest American success stories in history and also one of the greatest declines, rapidly, in business history
- Stephen Pickering
James: even the best athlete loses once in a while. Gates is no different. I've had my major disagreements with Bill but he still is one of the smartest people I've ever met. Just look at his annual letter for his foundation and try to argue with that.
- Robert Scoble
Guys it's the message not the medium that's all. The Medium is only relevant as a method of reaching the audience. Being a thought leader is achieved by having a track record of obvious expertise and innovation and then choosing to share that. If you share it with your cat though you're not a thought leader. If you share it with an audience who trust your expertise then a thought leader you are. The medium is irrelevant. The person, the message and the audience. That is all there is.
- Anton Mannering
Stephen: how many billion dollar businesses does Microsoft have TODAY? Go ahead and guess. I guessed wrong yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
Tumblr, Posterous sucess show me impulse is in, thought composition is out; thinking hurts, and reading good thinking hurts. Most people don't do it, it can cause you to reconsider your world. Like right now if I have to reconsider thinking Bill Gates is overrated it will hurt my head, I live by that thought.
- James Watters
Robert- I know Jeremiah, and I know he has a job. I have one too. I choose to participate in FF, he doesn't. That's totally OK. I'm just saying, that it's interesting that he thinks it's necessary to have a blog to be a "thought leader" (Forrester's key phrase lol)
- anna
Anton: Totally agree. I always thought it was funny how people equated journalism to the newspaper. The newspaper is just a medium.
- Mike Bracco
Yes, but its one of the greatest squanders of wealth in history. Apple has more cash I think on hand, and for a company that nets 6 billion a quarter, their equity is abysmmal. Its one of the greatest squanders of wealth in history. The stock price is less than it was 10 years ago, I think. How Balmer can still be CEO is beyond me
- Stephen Pickering
Following long conversations on iPhone interface is painful because you have to scroll down after every refresh :(
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
@tlergilles stick in there I'm glad your here
- James Watters
tylergillias, click on the "16 minutes ago" thing at the top left of this thread, should sort you out.
- Mark
Stephen: I agree, but Microsoft has 14 billion dollar businesses. Many of which are increasing in growth, not decreasing.
- Robert Scoble
Mike - Exactly and as soon as journalist realise that they're not married to the printing press they'll be better off.
- Anton Mannering
Stephen: I don't know many other companies that have 14 billion dollar businesses cooking along.
- Robert Scoble
I think a blog is a stepping stone to becoming a thought leader.
- Tamar Weinberg
Dangerous math, by this reasoning John Chambers is the thought king.
- James Watters
Robert - A blog is more like a column with comments, this is a conversation that never ends. I think we need both.
- erwin blom
MSFT, 36 billion in Equity after how many years of netting 15-20 billion? That is just criminal. All this time they'd been better off giving that cash to shareholders.
- Stephen Pickering
depends on you need to share your thoughts with and lead
- Rob Bushway
+1,000 Stephen.
- James Watters
If you want to be a thought leader in molecular physics then having a blog or being on friendfeed would be irrelevant. The medium that the relevant community flock to is scientific journals.
- Anton Mannering
All bloggers don't become thought leaders(obviously) and all thought leaders don't have blogs so what feels best to you Robert?
- Myrna
Robert surprised me yesterday with is post from 21st amendment. He seemed surprised the person next to him didn't know who he was. That's dangerously close to celebrity think.
- James Watters
Robert, what's there 14 billion dollar business cooking along, and how many billion dollar businesses do they have?
- Stephen Pickering
I think so. Chris Pirillo is a thought leader with or without his blog...
- krystynchong
I do miss your blogs Rob xx
- Mark
Mark: that doesn't work on iPhone interface
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Having a blog is only a pre-requisite for being a thought leader in blogging.
- Anton Mannering
Anton lol
- Myrna
I think chris pirillos blog complements his video and not vice versa
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Robert - If the audience you're interested in is on Friendfeed then that's where you should be. However if a significant number of people in your audience feel you should be blogging then perhaps you should communicate that way as well. Go where your audience is.
- Anton Mannering
Talking about thought leaders, i'd like the name of the person before the entry. Not everyone is equal when talking.
- erwin blom
What's the char limit on friendfeed posts?
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Erwin - I'm equal
- Anton Mannering
erwin: i like that idea. it could work as a sort of "mental filter"
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Erwin - Interesting stance that. If you know the people it makes sense. But surely you should take every unknown commenter as you find them and judge their comments neutrally until you can assess their knowedge/ability over time? Otherwise you run the risk of being lead by the same old faces without intelligent interruption of the conversation.
- Anton Mannering
anton: sometimes a comment doesn't make sense contextually until you know who wrote it. i like the "feature" because it would allow you to form that context _before_ you read the comment
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Character Limits on friendfeed: http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Robert Scoble
robert: thanks :)
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
I still think the internet wrist watch is the next big thing :-P
- Jesse Stay
tygerlilie - I agree, I was commenting on Erwins thoughts about not all commenters being equal not on whether the names should be first.
- Anton Mannering
Great topic, been discussing this lately with colleagues too. If you're an individual who has an already established industry reputation, you can show thought leadership in many other ways beyond a blog, but if you're just starting out, you need some sort of a platform and a blog is an easy way to get going and show depth/substance
- Louise Rasho
Implementing @username in friendfeed would be helpful
- Anton Mannering
Anton - Of course that problem is there, but it's how i use FF on a busy day. Scan my favourites among the masses.
- erwin blom
Regarding earlier posts re: video, it's just far too slow. I can scan faster than listen and watch, and with scanning you can absorb so much more information.
- anna
Jesse, I think you should continue your vodcast. I think it could be big. I myself looked forward to it as much as TWIT
- Stephen Pickering
Louise - Totally agree. As long as your audience are likely to read blogs.
- Anton Mannering
Absolutely.
- Peter Johnson
Stephen, you think? I'm thinking I'll need to space it out more if I do. Also, need to figure out a focus. Editing is a pain, too, so need to figure out a solution for that as well.
- Jesse Stay
i think video transcription will be a big thing. building 43 has already done it with at least one interview
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
Jesse, definitely, just shoot it and let it go raw, forget the editing. Also it helps your exposure and compliments your other businesses
- Stephen Pickering
Anton - even if they're not regular blog readers, you could use other tools (Twitter, FF, etc) to drive them to your blog. It just gives you an opportunity to have a longer monologue so that when you get into other short-form platforms you've established some cred.
- Louise Rasho
yeah raw footage is always fun
- Tyler J. Gillies PhD
maybe I'll try that - I think I may space it out to every other week though.
- Jesse Stay
Oh that's fine, every other week, I think, I would look forward to it
- Stephen Pickering
Erwin - That's cool. I understand and if you get to know a lot of the people who regualrly comment you get to be able to watch out for the good ones and autoblank the ones who's comments you don't find useful.
- Anton Mannering
Well, I think this proves that you might not be a thought leader using Twitter and FriendFeed but you certainly can get discussion going. I think I'll write a blog. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Louise - I more meant that, dependin on your subject matter, it's dangerous to assume that people will be looking for your information online. Serious scientists read peer-reviewed journals to be taken seriously that's where you have to be.
- Anton Mannering
Louise - But for a lot of things a blog is perfect and easy way to start sharing your thoughts/expertise with the world
- Anton Mannering
Absolutely yes, a big yes. Scientists, acedemics, historians, archeologists, artists (except art marketing) are publishing research studies and conceptual papers. They may wind up on TED talks, but they are looking for large grant backing. Social media would be useful to meet others, so even Twitter is fine, but it is all unrelated to their career.
- E-Advocate Network
hmmm. Robert, i'm 1 of 7 board members for an indigenous mapping wannabe nonprofit. i volunteered to redev the website. last oct started twittering news about mapping and indigenous issues. save them every month and archive onto the site. few days ago, we had a conference. folks came from different parts of world becuz of the twitter. not because of email marketing. people thought i was the leader or director becuz my writing/twittering in the back of the room with news.
- Rosemarie McKeon
You have to have some way of publicizing your thoughts. A popular TV show would work just fine. Given then lack of Twitter or FF posts on Digg etc I would say they aren't yet ways of becoming a thought leader.
- Todd Hoff
I think the blog is going to be the central hub of one's identity on the net. It's so cheap to host one. I think it will be the dial tone. So I think Wordpress is the biggest threat to Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I disagree. My hub is going to be an aggregator. For now that's either Facebook, FriendFeed, or Plaxo or something like it or maybe Twitter since that's the defacto place most people come to pimp their blogs anyway.
- Robert Scoble
I was busy and am late getting here, but I'll say you can't be a thought leader without a platform. For many the low barrier to entry in blogging provides the cornerstone of that platform. Speaking and writing books can be that platform too. And for many FriendFeed, Twitter and the like are the platform. I'd say microblogging tools, even with the conversational capability of FriendFeed...
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- Ken Camp
Ken: that's a good point and one that I was trying to get to. In the future thought leaders will communicate using a number of different tools, not just 140 character messages. Even the Twitterers I follow the most and like the most are ones who use other tools to communicate with me.
- Robert Scoble
Just cause people 'follow' you on FF doesn't mean they _follow_ you, if you follow. (Whee, that's one of those fun words that becomes silly and nonsensical if you repeat it enough. follow follow follow.)
- Andrew C
I don't think a blog has anything to do with being a thought leader. It's just another form of media. It comes down to what you say not how you say it. A blog might help to gain visibility, but there are plenty of ways to lead tribes without using electronic print. Having said that I think the real question we should be asking is can you be a thought leader w/o a FF acct? Is availability and interaction going to be required for thought leaders in the future?
- Davis Freeberg
But with all these widgets you can bring all these services into your blog, and the blog is so much more expressive of who you are, with personalized design elements and so much more flexibility
- Stephen Pickering
I don't agree to be a thought leader you need to blog. I also don't agree you need an audience to be a thought leader. To be seen as a thought leader in public, you do. If your goal is to be a thought leader in any industry, then you need to speak your mind, directly to that arena and do it loudly enough to be heard. However you better be prophetic unless you already have an audience...
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- Sheryl
Robert - great question and dialolgue here! Thought Leaders are wise folks that engage, lead, inspire and mentor their respective audiences by a *variety* of methods; including but not limited to blogs. For example, they may author and publish a book, launch a blog, speak at a conference, lead a discussion group, host a podcast, etc. Blogs are just 1 tool in the thought leaders' aresenal, albeit a very key tool at that as it's become an expected tool ... as in your case with JO.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
When I google Stephen Pickering or Robert Scoble the first thing that comes up is our blogs
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: yes, but that's a historical problem. My blog has been around longer and has had lots more work and links to it. So Google counts it higher. For new users who don't have blogs the same will not be true.
- Robert Scoble
I also think JO is a very bright man, but sometimes his thinking is about trends and assumptions, not reality. Reality can tell a very different story.
- Sheryl
wow, great way to mine information here!!!! impressed. I truly attest to how great FriendFeed really is.
- iTbay
Sheryl: I agree and good point. Some of the strongest thought leaders are the voices that aren't heard of the noise. In the Internet culture, it's easy for people to associate the noise of someone constantly talking with thought leadership. (ie. every time I look so and so is saying blah blah blah). That isn't thought leadership. Those are simply the leaders in echoing the lesser heard thoughts of the real leaders.
- Ken Camp
JO is a very bright man with an amazing knack for echoing things others have said before. He's visible, but visible and visionary aren't quite the same thing. I like him a lot, but for me, he's not a leader. He's another preacher preaching to the choir, albeit a good preacher.
- Ken Camp
Another key point: seeing a new developing trend, e.g. Steve Rubel's adoption of Posterous instead of his former tradtional blog site indicates two things: 1. he wants to speed up and simplify blog posting, and 2. he may feel that lifestreaming is a better way to connect, share and engage with his audience. I'm seeing that folks want more sound bytes, not thesis style content.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Sheryl / Ken - I disagree with you there. Audience is everything. That audience may be on Youtube, twitter or Friendfeed or blogs as Ken said, but ithout an audience (it can be a niche one) who are you leading? Where I'd disagree with Ken is that these are not the Platform these are only the medium. Previously in peer-reviewed journals the fact that a certain had to be reached to be...
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- Anton Mannering
A question, will you still do longer post and if so won't that be a blog, or is a blog only a blog if you call it a blog.
- Kim Landwehr
But If I'm interested in Robert Scoble or Jesse Stay and I follow them, they should be able to monetize their energies and thoughts by way of their blogs. If all of their energies are on FriendFeed or Twitter or Facebook, its only pimping those services and putting money in their pockets
- Stephen Pickering
I launched a new blog http://susanbeebe.com on 5/11/2009 and within only a matter of 2 weeks my blog was appearing on page 1 of my vanity search results on Google. Blogs are really fabulous for personal branding and what I call "personal real estate" on the web.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Susan, I agree, my blog was only born in March or so
- Stephen Pickering
Some jewish guy once said "Do not hide your light under a bushel" Thought leaders who don't influence the world by doing or evangelising are just theorists who affect little.
- Anton Mannering
TylerGullies- regarding issue reading FF on iPhone - use a FF client like the BuddyFeed app (no scrolling, etc)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Anton - I think the media is the platform. Broadcast TV and radio were platforms and they've been replaced by the new distributed now media of the Internet. I say that is the platform. And the Internet is a peer reviewed media in that we get validated, fact checked and are held accountable for our veracity and integrity or quickly shunned and forgotten. Sock puppets don't live long...
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- Ken Camp
And Blogs are so much more flexible. I still think these other services are ancillary, valuable of course but not a hub
- Stephen Pickering
Anton: Hey! :) Thought leader doesn't necessarily imply you lead anyone but rather have thoughts that are unique and have potential to inspire. Having a blog will not make us so. Having a platform might, even if someone else is better. Example: Ken is brilliant. You know it, I know it, and he has been blogging longer than the vast majority of internet users. He comes up with amazing...
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- Sheryl
Yes you can be a thought leader without a blog or even be in public, its just a matter of scope of audience. You can be a Thought Leader within a Company, a department, within a community, etc. Believe or not, most people never heard of the people on these lists. So these are just Thought Leaders in areas that interest people that read Blogs, Tweets, Social Media or Tech.
- manielse
But if you are a thought leader don't you want to monetize it?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I know some thought leaders who do it because they just want to be seen as the expert in that field.
- Robert Scoble
Google monetizes, Facebook monetizes, Twitter and Friendfeed certainly plan to, so what's wrong with an individual?
- Stephen Pickering
Hmm.. I disagree with you here Ken. I think that's 'Old Media' thinking. If I went on TV to speak about particle Physics everyone (especially particle phycicists) would be like "who the hell is this guy?". But the fact that I was on TV would give me a platform of a kind as people assume that the TV station checked me out. With new media there is no-one to check credentials so the only...
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- Anton Mannering
think most true thought leaders find money to be a horrible metric. I know several now vested and moderately rich start up CEO's who are still frustrated because their ideas didn't get to be as big or as impactful as they want. Money is a horrible metric: just look at the rich CEO of AIG..thought leader? Smart?
- James Watters
I bet Malcom Gladwell doesn't consider money a horrible metric
- Stephen Pickering
Hey Sheryl. :) I disagree (I know you're shocked lol). YOu can't be a thought leader unless you're leading. And you can't be a leader without followers. There's nothing wrong with being brilliant and not being followed not all thinkers are leaders. Sometimes one mans great ideas aren't recognised until a leader picks them up and champions them.
- Anton Mannering
Anton Particle physics is dead. We have strings now!
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen - See I told you the physicists would be horrified. :)
- Anton Mannering
Anton: I love that we disagree and both are good with that. I think your physic example just perfectly described "Bill Nye the Science Guy" (a kids tv show personality of the past in the states). I think what is revolutionary about now media is that the fact checking power, the vetting if you will, of every piece of information is now in the hands of every person connected to the...
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- Ken Camp
Robert there are some out there that have others blog FOR them so they can be seen as thought leaders in their field. ;)
- Jim Turner
Anton: Was Van Gogh an art thought leader? He wasn't leading anyone during his lifetime. How many thought leaders are recognized long after they've shared the leading thought? I think in human history, that's been the majority of real thought leadership in many areas.
- Ken Camp
The determinists were horrified by Einstein's findings and Einsteins was horrified by Quantum Mechanics. We need horrified physicists!
- Stephen Pickering
Anton I am not shocked at all and I'm honored to even be involved in this discussion. Now, having sucked up, (was that a 'leading' statement?) I would say to you, I believe you're misinterpreting the word leader here. To be a leader you need only have the potential to influence, not that you have actually done it. It's about original ideas and thoughts, content if you will. Many people...
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- Sheryl
Ken - That my friend is exactly my point. Those credentials that you build over time... that is the platform! Everything else, as you said, is a stupid network, a collection of tools.
- Anton Mannering
And Einstein was just a lowly patent clerk
- Stephen Pickering
No serious thinkers or CEO types I know read Malcom; he is considered 'pop'
- James Watters
Depends on the context I suppose. I don't think there is any arguing that Jack Welch (@jackwelch) is a thought leader. A notable early trait was his resistance from using a computer.
- Rick Bucich
LOIC seems to like him :)
- Stephen Pickering
I don't consider Welch a thought leader. He was an executer. Peter Drucker was the thought leader behind GE's massive resurgence
- Stephen Pickering
Thought leadership is subjective. Case in point, what Rick above me said. I have no idea who Jack Welch is. He is not a thought leader to me, and yet he may be incredibly bright and articulate. That I have never heard of him doesn't make him less a thought leader. Only means he has his own niche.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: Jack Welch ran GE for years and is widely seen as one of the best executives ever.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen #ironic given the Loic discussion today :) Interesting that the other day Jack Welch said a dog could have run GE in the 90's because of positive macro trends; most company performance is due to industry trend
- James Watters
That was him being modest. All the greatest are modest, Buffett, Sam Walton
- Stephen Pickering
Ken, I was just thinking about Van Gogh in terms of this. What about the visionaries who are tragically 50 years a head of their time. Van Gogh could have blogged until his face turned blue. He was not going to be accepted and that is just the truth. He knew it, so he became a "do-leader" I guess you could say, and focused on being a prolific creator.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert: it doesn't change my opinion that you've explained who he is. He may be a thought leader to you, but to me he is just a man on the street. Does that makes sense? Now...if I met him...and he said something that made my ears perk up, I would likely think differently. In the meantime, anyone may be a thought leader in their own circle. That one person has a big audience takes nothing from those who haven't got one.
- Sheryl
Emily Dickinson never published a poem in her lifetime
- Stephen Pickering
E-Advocate Network: Funny because that was exactly what Ken said to me before he wrote that down about Van Gogh! :)
- Sheryl
Ken - No he wasn't. He was a brilliant man whose genius was only recognised after his death. Which inspired the expressionist movement in Germany. The leadership was not his though. In fact Nietzche had as much to do with that as anyone.
- Anton Mannering
Ken - Picasso though was a thought leader par excellence
- Anton Mannering
Too much invested in the concept of thought-leadership. I'm just happy to be participating in conversations about what I consider to be relevant thoughts and theories. It is first and foremost about context. I think this is a perfect case in point.
- Jerry Schuman
You can be a thought leader via voice.... but more people will find you if you blog about what you talk about on-air and in podcasts.
- Lisa Osborne
Scoble is the catalyst for this. I know I kiss ass, but its true, none of the other "important people" as Guy Kawasaki terms them engages us everyday folk like Scoble does. Why is that? He's as busy as the others
- Stephen Pickering
Jerry: ^5 I couldn't agree more!
- Sheryl
Lisa: I agree with you. I do a weekly podcast and I write a blurb about it. I also write the occasional blog post. Still, many people come to my site via search.
- Sheryl
Stephen: Agreed, but sort of reinforces my point. The idea of thought leadership aside, Robert uses a broad platform; Guy uses a narrower one. But they are doing what works for them personally.
- Ken Camp
Yes, oh I'm not dissing Guy, I love Guy, Tim O'reilly, Leo, and all the rest
- Stephen Pickering
E-advocate/Sheryl - Unfortunately if you're too far ahead of your time you're not a leader. It's tragic and horrible but there you are. The Country of the Blind by H.G. Wells is a cautionary metaphor.
- Anton Mannering
Anton,and I have the scars to prove it.
- Jerry Schuman
Stephen: I'm not dissing Guy either. Today. I've done enough of that. lol He's simply on a platform I don't hear any more. ;-)
- Ken Camp
Anton: I love you! :) I don't think we're that far apart with thought's not really, I just think we have some minor differences ;-)
- Sheryl
Does YouTube count as a blog? I think any form of user generated content can allow a person to step into an audience and be a thought leader. A blog is just a mechanism. I'm not talking about replacing a hammer with a saw either. I think there are plenty of mechanisms to get in front of an audience and we're likely to see many, many more.
- Dave Saunders
Ken - Guy is an interesting case. Do you not listen to him because of the tools he uses or because you feel he has "worn out his credentials" so to speak?
- Anton Mannering
Anton: You like poking a stick in the hornets nest don't you? lol if you want to talk about Guy, we'll find somewhere private. I simply have chosen to remove myself from his audience as much as possible. ;-)
- Ken Camp
No, I think he was just asking
- Stephen Pickering
Ken: I don't mean to pry and I meant only in general terms. You response though indicates to me that you don't trust the messenger.
- Anton Mannering
Anton: :-)
- Ken Camp
Sheryl: Oh no, I was caught yapping away about academics and artists. Anton: Agreed on Picasso- he achieved fame while alive. He was outstanding and much more articulate than Van Gogh. He had a slight edge- being "avant guarde" was somewhat interesting to the art world at the time. It still required heavy lifting for acceptance and Picasso had that brilliance. Other artists before him had to crack the academies.
- E-Advocate Network
A blog or some other long-form, semi-permanent body of work that belongs to you I believe is required to be a "thought-leader". As both a producer and consumer, I think this will become even more important as information flow gets more fragmented, higher volume, and unfortunately, lower quality. FF, Twitter, et al are great for finding thought leaders and getting bits of insight but at the end of the day, real value comes from a smart person putting hours/days into a robust article/blog/essay.
- David Ziembicki
Ken: It goes to my point earlier about the platform being the trust you have for the person not the particular tool they uses to transmit the message. Basically to me Platform = "The reason I listen to you". In the old days a soap box was used as a literal platform, and was used to "stand out from the crowd" and the crowd paid attention because you were higher up. As things developed the "platform" became more figurative. For instance a politicians "platform" is the fact he was elected.
- Anton Mannering
Anton: The politician being elected may not be elected at all but they may have bought their way into office quite nicely ;-)
- Sheryl
Michel De Montaigne became a thought leader without a blog. As did Adam Smith and Emile Durkheim!
- Mark
Sheryl: That can happen. I would suggest though that in that case his legitimacy is questionsed and his "platform" becomes somewhat eroded. Everyone will start to question everything he does much more. :-)
- Anton Mannering
Anton: I think what you call platform I call pulpit. And what I call platform you might call message. We don't disagree on any of this. We just use different syntax.
- Ken Camp
Ken: I'm not so sure we are totally aligned here, but I'll be writing a blog post pulling together all my thoughts on this and you can call around and berate me if you think I'm wrong. LOL ;-)
- Anton Mannering
Anton: In art that may be hard to find now. We expect it to be wierd, finally. For this discussion, an interesting question may be are there any thought leaders to whom a blog might greatly alter your perception of them?
- E-Advocate Network
E-advocate - I agree somewhat re Art, but perhaps people are looking in the wrong place. Regarding your question: I don't think so. It would depend what was in the blog posts. If they continue the same quality using a different tool then great.
- Anton Mannering
@Robert, being a thought leader has nothing to do with writing a blog or not. It is a label put on you by others. It does imply you need to express and interact over your thoughts very frequently, but that can be done anywhere. Given the broadcasting and interaction possibilities on Twitter and Friendfeed you would be heard faster there. I know from experience that writing long,...
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- Alexander van Elsas
BTW on the general topic here neither Jeremy or Robert are thought leaders but the guys they talk to every day are.
- Anton Mannering
I would characterize most of twitter/friendfeed traffic as infotainment, not thought leadership.
- Steve Wilhelm
Steve: that isn't what I asked, though.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter and FriendFeed would be perfect for: Thought leaders in mathmatics, computer science or a similar field who can write a technical journal that revolutionizes their field, but just can not dumb down what they do and have never been good writers anyway.
- E-Advocate Network
Hey, I have a blog, but whenever I try to do Thought leadership, Scoble slaps me down... then again, I usually deserve it...
- Wendell Wittler
A great Twitter stream belongs the head of Warchild. She can rarely give away her location, let alone blog as she in war zones most of the time. She is a thought leader and we would never know her experiences if it was not for short form. For some it is not choice but the only way.
- E-Advocate Network
Thought leadership is innovative thinking - this can be done in a narrative way on a blog, a visual way on video, and short succinct way here on FF/Twitter ... now thinking of it I think thought leadership is almost obsolete -- give our ability to crowd source ideas. I think the should be "pattern recognizer" or "synthesizer" or "insight spinner" or whatever ..
- Beth Kanter
I misread this and thought you wrote, "Can you be a thought leader without a DOG?" Now that would be an interesting question too.
- Amy
Actually you can be one thought leader that spread the idea of being a thought leader that don't uses a blog, you just have to show how
- Felipe Lopes
absolutely
- Patricia
Having a twitter account is practically having a "microblog" and having a FriendFeed account is practically having a blog anyway since you can easily post full blog posts here although, its better in the sense that you can engage via conversation etc to provide more indepth points about something which you are discussing rather then just mentioning them all in a post. As it become easier to elaborate on a point in real-time ;)
- Nicholas James
Blog does not equal thought leader. In today's age, a blog is becoming one tool to present ideas and interact with others.
- Ted Kinzer
Ted: Your definition on what a blog is becoming is something which FriendFeed already is a place to present ideas and interact with others ;) Personally I don't think a blog is needed to be a thought leader because, there are numerous ways which facilitates you to be a thought leader without the use of a blog. Although some people would prefer you to place them on a blog since they have got used to blogs.
- Nicholas James
Thought Leaders need media to spread their thoughts, share ideas- its not necessary they need to have blog.. look for yourself you will find numerous examples of them..
- Saravanan
Of course, but if you are a thought leader, a blog is a good place to share your thoughts.
- Francine Hardaway
If you have a good thought dropping it into the right pond where the other fishies will munch on it and spit it back out would lead me to believe that FF with some heavy hitters subscribed to your feed. Not too many folks read my blog per google analytics but I like doing it so I do much like my aggregating things here.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
You can certainly be a thought leader without a blog, IMHO. To say otherwise is to assume that all thought leadership must necessarily be only pertinent to the subset of populations that are connected to the Internet and that understand how to communicate using social media tools. I don't think anyone could credibly argue that all thought leadership is that narrowly constrained. That said, it certainly can't HURT.
- Scotty Perkins
Thought leader does not equal blogger. The number of "thought leaders", or people that make the world go around, far out number those that blog. So, categorically, the answer is yes.
- Diego Barros
What do you mean by "thought leader"? Do they actually do anything? Produce anything? Or just think about stuff and blog about it? I'm glad Steve Jobs doesn't have a blog. Then we'd be readying about the iPhone and not using one.
- Diego Barros
To be a Thought Leader you must have a) Original Ideas that are b) Somehow Disseminated, either c) Directly or through Credible Intermediaries to a d) Large Following and e) Sustained through Practice. and f) Influence Social/Governmental Decisions. So the First Critical Link is (b) .Today, dissemination of ideas occurs mainly through broadcast or dead-tree media. Increasingly, the...
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- Murli Nagasundaram
wow, you got to F), thats a heavy duty list.
- James Watters
Holy crap, this thread proves my point. How could these many comments from everyone prove that Robert is being a thought leader. Robert, I can barely hear your voice in here. Case in point. Case closed.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Robert, I wrote this for you: http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
- Jeremiah Owyang
I responded my own thoughts in the comments of Jeremiah's post. I've got a blog post in the making I think, too - still putting together my thoughts on this.
- Jesse Stay
Isn't friendfeed a form of microblogging?
- Khürt Williams
I would say that FriendFeed is more of social discussion platform then microblogging.
- Usman Bashir
Yeah, maybe, as social medias rule.. but a blog is an important item in the whole system. ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Of course, you can. Being a thought leader means contributing original ideas that affect the way people think. You don't need a blog to do that.
- Leslie Carbone
A media is required to express the thinking - thus 'thought leaders' actually 'do' rather than 'think' because without a medium, there is nothing to exchange. The issue about having a blog or not is meaningless - the choice of medium today is based upon it's ability to spread an expression, not an idea - and that means reproduction. Anything digital is reproducible - an expression...
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- David Bausola
"Can you be a thought leader without a blog?" Yes.
- Greg J. Smith
Leaders are nothing, without people to help/to 'give directions' to. Blogs -and- other (social) medias are tools for them to do so.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
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Which came first, thought leaders or blogs? Did thought leaders exist before the internet? Can you name one modern thought leader that doesn't have a blog? Not all thought leaders are good at spreading their thoughts to the masses, but they are smart enough to surround themselves with those that are (or perhaps they just attract them). Not every "thought leader" is a spring. Some are...
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- April Russo
April, yes - this is the difference between Synthesizers and Generators. The reality is that we are all 'thought directors'.
- David Bausola
Yes. In this age of collective thought, leaders are able to ask the right questions and engage people in insightful dialogue. Maybe we just need a feature or method for dialogue/thought leaders to synthesize threaded discussions like these in order to capture knowledge.
- Steve Levin
I think you're over thinking it
- Jesse Hattabaugh
Part of the issue is "thought leader" is community dependent. In order to be perceived as a thought leader, you have to be visible in the tools that that community uses. For example, I have been blogging much less since starting to use FriendFeed and Twitter, which connects me to one community, but disconnects me from my still large blog reader community. I tweeted and FriendFeeded a...
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- Richard Akerman
What i need is someone who wraps discussions like this up ;-) Otherwise: to many thoughts to follow!
- erwin blom
Great thoughts ... from non-bloggers : http://www.stanford.edu/~somik...
- Meryl Steinberg
Wrap.
- Jay Collier
Late to the discussion, but will answer anyway since I'm egocentric enough to think you'll be interested in my response. Yes, you can be a thought leader w/o a blog, Robert. You'd be a thought leader if you were standing on a street corner discussing English Muffins. It's who you are, not the medium you choose to express yourself with. However, as I'm proving by this long response,...
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- Molly
Robert -- you're a thought leader in your respective medium. So no matter the tool you use, they'll follow you. So yes, you can be a thought leader with out a blog. Once you're an influencer people will watch your every move. Especially since the area in which you're a thought leader is the interactive space. We look to you for guidance. Now if you walked the public streets here in...
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- Ramsey Mohsen
Yes you can. There were thought leaders before the era of blogs. Being influential is medium-independent.
- Volkan Özçelik
Wow- Sorry if I repeat anything as I am tired and couldn't read everything posted before me.... YES, you can be a thought leader without a blog, but you do need to express long-form thoughts. Nobody will ever be a thought leader through Twitter, Friendfeed, or even Facebook (unless it is completely open). Twitter and Friendfeed, as we have all mostly agreed, continue the conversation,...
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- Daniel Zarick
Jeremiah Owyang & Robert Scoble on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I didn't see you guys! :( next time
- anna
Where I come from (Bavaria, Germany) you'd be executed for drinking beer with a melon ; )
- Michael Völker
I didn't notice that before Michael, good one
- anna
Michael: That's what I enjoy after moving to NYC from Munich - you can do all those weird things without people getting upset about it. Although, I agree in this case - melons on a Weissbier seems very odd to me.
- Oliver Bouchard
"Prost" from the land of Oktoberfest and beer - Bavaria ;) - have a nice weekend!
- Ronald
We should do a FF-tweetup at Trappe on Columbus, great german beer in SF, cave-like ambiance too
- anna
What's up with the melon?
- Burcu Dogan
It's watermelon beer!
- Jeremiah Owyang
Anna: sorry about that. I had to go give a speech across the street so cut out early.
- Robert Scoble
Concerning beer (and wine too of course) I'm very puristic normally. But if you like it - cheers guys!
- Michael Völker
I make a very light beer like this in the summer, I call it lawn mower beer, because I drink this light beer after I mow the lawn! :-) Looks very refreshing with the water melon garnish!
- tom
Saying it's watermelon beer doesn't really make up for having a slice of watermelon on your glass :-D
- TobiasVerhoog.com
Finally I see these guys drinking beer, do they have melon in their beer. In the shop I'm working at this moment I would've chased you away.
- Ton Zijp
love the caption on robert's face - and them be some big beers!
- Allen Stern
@louisgray Yes, but I prefer to keep my life stream separate from my blog (on friendfeed), so folks have a choice
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exactly
- Jesse Stay
And I would not expect you to change. I like that Steve is experimenting, but I am a die hard blogger. Over my dead body. :)
- Louis Gray
such conviction :)
- Jeremiah Owyang
I can hit the ground running with life stream. But not every day. It's much saner to collect your thoughts first, mull over them, knead them, toss them in the air and wish to God they'd turn out to be a great pizza of a post. In a blog, you can be reflective. Why drive yourself haggard with a life stream? Some people may be built for life streams. Not me. Life stream looks like a dreadful treadmill to me. I get tired just thinking about it. Ahahaha
- jan geronimo
In some ways I feel like life-streaming is great for conversation. It's a cocktail party with plenty of hors d'oeuvres. Blogging, on the other hand, is like sitting down for a six course meal. I'll take both thank you.
- Ken Camp
I recently saw Transformers, break down: 90% fights and explosions, 9% sultry girls 1% plot, logic, story, or character development
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I have not heard one good review from anyone yet. This is totally relegated to the Red Box or Netflix waiting bin.
- Eban Crawford
were there any good-looking guys?
- Rachel Luxemburg
Rachel. Yes, bumblebee is hot
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah hahahah
- Mark Essel
How Are Tech Bloggers are Leading the Marketing 2.0 Revolution? Find out here:
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Jeremiah Owyang, Robert Scoble, Mark Silva and Kevin Marks are on a panel at the San Francisco American Marketing Association this evening, hosted by Mark Evans: http://www.friendfeed.com/markeva...
- Louis Gray
The focus: Businesses from restaurants, to retail, to service businesses all share the commonality of seeing their customer face-to-face. As this provides some of the best positioning to capitalize on social media opportunities, the question becomes how come so few are taking advantage of the Web 2.0 tools to help drive sales?
- Louis Gray
Mark Evans: We are going to change with the times and start to be more open source -- including the community in what we are doing, so we can be the hub of marketing in the Bay Area.
- Louis Gray
Mark Evans: In the next few months, there will be a lot of events around social media, and partner events/seminars.
- Louis Gray
Louis: Are you attending?
- Sheryl
Sheryl, I am hiding in the back where I quietly can type and go unnoticed. *Yes*
- Louis Gray
Now introducing the panelists... Kevin Marks first, Jeremiah Owyang, Mark Silva, and Scoble goes last.
- Louis Gray
good job louis keep it up
- Allen Stern
isnt mark evans in canada?
- Allen Stern
Robert moderating: When I started blogging 9 years ago, Dave Winer said we should blog from conferences. Google was new back then and I could only find two other blogs. Now there are conferences on Twitter, a form of blogging...
- Louis Gray
Robert: It used to be just friends talking to each other, and we would talk on our blogs about what we were doing in life and how disappointed we were that we were all laid off in the downturn, and now we are in another downturn.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Techmeme is where I go to find the hottest tech news that is happening. Now I find Google blog PR and now MG Siegler from TechCrunch - a news blog. (pulled up on his iPhone) and PR announcements from YouTube, etc. Over 9 years we have changed from a bunch of guys talking on the new system, laid off and tired of the world...
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now the geeks that were showing up at the blogger dinner (Mena Trott starting the software of Moveable Type) has a company... Brad Fitzgerald of LiveJournal was there and on and on. I think I got the opportunity to moderate the panel because blogging is changing. Now it is PR and news stuff - which isn't as useful.
- Louis Gray
FYI - Allen, this is Mark Evans in the Bay Area, not the Mark Evans of Canada.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now we have linking rules. If you work for Mike Arrington, you can't link to Mashable. I notice a lot of corrosive effects. Bloggers aren't talking about how to do things, they are talking about the stuff of the day, or who died today. That wouldn't be talked about 8 or 9 years go. Blogging has changed and it has left a hole for a new kind of tech blogger.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: This is a natural evolution. The more mainstream social media gets, the more it looks like mainstream media. Robert is trying to use the new tools, always trying to find what's next. This is a natural evolution.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The early brands were not brand-averse, but they were averse to marketing. The voices are not being heard as much. The interesting insight and dirt isn't coming out. Apple is a great example of being secret, prepared and buttoned up. The system has conformed, and we are going to new places to tell each other what we think.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Here we are going over and over again. I worked for Technorati so I can take the guilt for the Top 100 being there. It changes all the time. The long tail distribution that we have all seen and heard about... there have been changes. Watching the Technorati 100 you could see big changes but also a giant spread of hundreds of millions of blogs that talk about different stuff.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Techmeme is an illusion of what's on the top.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: You had the idea of subscribing to feeds, but you couldn't do a keyword search to see what some people like. Now you follow a person and say they are interesting and I will follow them. Now social networks are letting you friend and follow. Some of it is heavy social make me feel good stuff. (Kevin is having dinner in SF), but half is following people who are interesting, and you build a sense of trust that draws on a human sense of trust of knowing a person.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What we find is that we are moving from a world where advertising is a recommendation from someone trying to influence you who you don't trust. Celebrities are halfway fake friends people you think you know, but they can serve a purpose too.
- Louis Gray
Robert: In the early days of blogging, nobody paid me, and nobody sent me products. Now there are people being paid to blog, like by IZEA. Virgin America took people on a flight to write about the new flights. People see the value in this world, and 9 years ago, they didn't have a clue in this world. What do you think of this trend?
- Louis Gray
Robert: What do you think of the corrosive effect of trust?
- Louis Gray
Mark: Why you see so many press releases and other brands like Google, Apple - there is a reason why PR got into social media and blogs, because 100% of their compensation comes from agency fees, not non-working dollars.
- Louis Gray
Louis: So you're the unpaid stenographer? LOL Nice!
- Sheryl
Mark: Every time I create an agency that looks like it is working media, that looks like agency fees are creeping. People who own brands and marketers out there is we need to change how we look at social media in general. You have to act differently, categorically.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I disagree with Kevin directly in terms of an advertiser not being someone you want to hear from.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I think that brands are going to understand how to act in a trustworthy way. The best thing a brand can do is solve customers' problems - providing a solution to a problem. Part of paying bloggers to do things is old behavior.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Robert is paid to do blogging. So if he feels it is bad behavior...
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: He doesn't promote his employer as much as some other bloggers, and he doesn't do sponsored posts. (Robert)
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Often I will write to bloggers or bigger Tweeters and their assistant will respond.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: We did research and asked consumers who they trust. 90% said "people like them". Under 10% trusted corporate blogs.
- Louis Gray
Mark: That's because they are operating like corporate blogs.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: How do you push back on Robert's brand? He is a person.
- Louis Gray
(Jeremiah says Robert is a brand and points to the Building 43 shirt)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: To call it a personal brand is to take away that person. He is trustworthy.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The best brands act like people. If you take a look at corporate brands, a company like Foster Farms... how many of you know about Ron Foster? It is an amazing company with homespun, human values. I want to be part of that family. There is a personal side of the brand that a lot of companies have. People come in with passion for the brand, like JetBlue, Comcast, etc.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The more that brands can act like people on Twitter, it personalizes that.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When you go to Google you are querying a machine and asking for a machine response. On Twitter, you want a human response. If you get an automated response...
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When you type something into Twitter it is a very different thing. You are expressing emotion, and you are joining a human conversation. If you speak in a tacky way, they will respond in a tacky way.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: It is the inversion of a call center - where people are turned into machines. Social sites like Twitter say to be human and respond to these people.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: A lot of this is rethinking it and can we make it more personal, a source of emotional signals for things that you care about.
- Louis Gray
Mark: An emotional thing where brands can live.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: How many of you paid a blogger or gave them a product, or took them on a trip or gave them money or a gift certificate? (Five hands in the room go up)
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: This is happening all throughout media in the history of the industry. This is something that at Forrester, we think is okay to do, so long as it is transparent, and the editorial is authentic. However, most brands are insensitive to it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: I was at a HP event where they brought out a new printer, and they had a Twitter search, and they seeded PR people to add to the stream with positive tweets. We were pretty adept at finding the seeding.
- Louis Gray
Mark: did you call BS on it?
- Louis Gray
Robert: I just did. We also didn't quite figure it out until just after, when we were comparing notes.
- Louis Gray
Mark: It's a headfake. A lot of the time is to be found by the search engines. I agree there are a lot of social filters we are looking for because the algorithm is coming up short.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: The bloggers publish a lot and they link a lot, and it can be problematic. If you search for me, you will only find me. There are other Kevin Marks.
- Louis Gray
Robert: I am the #2 Robert in the world, higher than Robert DeNiro and Robert Kennedy. Google is our new reality.
- Louis Gray
Mark: That's the new reality. What's the oldest tool humans have ever used? An axe? If you search for Axe on Google, you will get the Axe brand and on images, it will be Axe imagery. They have taken over that world, by impacting social media, and redefining that word. That's their reality.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: Wikiality - the reality that we believe in. If enough of us make the suggestions in Google, it becomes the reality and it is an important concept.
- Louis Gray
Audience member 2: To Kevin - I don't hear your accent when you blog. But this doesn't work unless the average schlub is participating in this conversation. There is an asynchronous set of assumption of expectations. How do we balance that out because people engage enthusiastically for their own reasons, not to schill for their brand.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: By the way marketing guys, all this standard stuff like the press release is going to look old.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: When Michael Jackson dies, what you see is emotional outpouring of your friends, not the media's interpretation of that.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The person who took the best photo in Iran took that photo and was in FriendFeed a few hours later, talking about it. Now they are in jail. I have never had a conversation with a Pulitzer Prize award winner who was in an event like that.
- Louis Gray
Robert: There was somebody on Twitter who had a conversation with the doctor of Neda. We can participate in the news without having to go through filters and media.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Now the PR people can talk directly to us, like through Techmeme, instead of through Walt Mossberg.
- Louis Gray
Mark: There are a lot of things that marketing will do that won't have a compelling event. There's nothing like the brief that says, "make it viral". It's bad.
- Louis Gray
Mark: We are trying to take a potential for relevance. We know events will happen, like holidays and an election, which brands can anticipate.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Part of what we are doing is trying to gain potential for relevance.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Part of what we are doing with microformatting and social media spaces is the potential to become relevant, and be driven by demand.
- Louis Gray
(Jeremiah looking down at his cell phone)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you think of organic growth, and how that works, there are strategies to spread information in different ways. The plant has a seed that turns into something tasty that you can carry around and put somewhere else. What if you have a message that people will want to give to their friends?
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What kind of campaign am I doing. Am I trying to nurture something that will grow?
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: What about Verizon talking to the New York Times talking about customers? What about using real word of mouth conversations by consumers from forums?
- Louis Gray
Robert: One of my favorite bloggers, Steve Rubel, is getting out of blogging and will be doing lifestream.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: Back in 2001-02, blogs are what we had. I could post it to the Web and get comments.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: What happens is those practices have now spread out and are going to other places. The idea of activity streams is a unique one, and you can see that in Twitter.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: There is this idea of I am doing something, and I want it to flow somewhere else. It is the same practice as blogging, but it is now something else. The point is that if you want to think about network architecture, a lot of people assumed it was more download than upload, and they got it backwards.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: We are now shifting to where we upload more than we download. You can take photos with things in your pocket. You can send up more than you can download.
- Louis Gray
Robert: YouTube has said mobile uploads have increased 400% in the last 7 days, thanks to the new iPhone 3GS.
- Louis Gray
I've gotten approached a few times to do paid blog posts (haven't yet - will disclose if I ever do)
- Jesse Stay
Robert: The marketing of the future will have to create events that capture distribution. Obama's inauguration almost took down the Internet.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Obama's inauguration was a video event, where people were streaming live video over the Internet. In contrast, Twitter and Michael Jackson is only 10 Gigs a day.
- Louis Gray
Mark: When we set up Twitter accounts for our client, not all followers are equal. Some have super influence. If you do set up a Twitter and Facebook class, consider a concierge class, and shine light on someone who will speak passionately.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The @ Sign and DMs are very important for communication and a back channel.
- Louis Gray
Mark: With 10 people, we reached a million and got 1,000 responses, from fans that have super influence and a high affinity for you, who will come to your aid if a brand is under attack.
- Louis Gray
This whole blogging thing has gotten me thinking like a marketer quite often. Before I figured marketing was just a career I wasn't interested in and had little to do with. Now I know the rudiments of online marketing and actively use them to better engage my desired audience.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Mark: We have a lot of brands on auto-follow, which is fine. We couldn't do it in e-mail before. We never knew what would happen, but now we can see that in real time.
- Louis Gray
So I see a post like this and I'm thinking "pfft, marketing" and then I remember "oh yeah, Marketing!" and so I'm still reading.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert: You could see the spread with a Web bug in email, but you could never get the emotion in an e-mail.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: My job is not to be an evangelist, it's to be a product advocate. That was a very deliberate choice.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: I need to get a sense of what is going on, and gain a message to convey for a complex set of standards, and can I explain it.
- Louis Gray
(Audience member asks Mark about the social aspect of Foster Farms)
- Louis Gray
Mark: You'll see. The brand people, PR people, IT people are involved... everything takes longer as a result. We will be expressing the human side of the brand, and like Forrester said, how people go to people.
- Louis Gray
Mark: We heard from moms how that would change their perception. A brand is a premium between commodity, and through emotion, a fair price that a marketer needs to earn.
- Louis Gray
(Follow-up: How do you get conversations that are valid, not a stunt)
- Louis Gray
Mark: We came up with a communication strategy that will add value to the moms. We can create an impact that is significant that will happen right at grocery. They are trying to understand the effect, not just impression and buzz. How can they effect sales?
- Louis Gray
I'd imagine "valid" conversations involve some sort of threading or aggregation so individual commenters can see and respond to one another. In other words, FF threads over tweets flying past each other unknowingly.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert: I just interviewed Gary V of WineLibrary TV. They were not going to grow their local market much more, so he started to do the video show. He creates the need in your head for a product that you didn't know you wanted. He has a social network, where you can argue, is he telling you the truth?
- Louis Gray
Mark: Most marketers should follow Gary just to learn about marketing. He can drive nuggets of what he does and why he does it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: TechCrunch is doing video with a lot of its posts now. Creating an experience that looks good on a flip cam is a different experience than creating text on a blog.
- Louis Gray
These are the perfect participants for this panel.
- Jesse Stay
(BTW - I am not getting every word and sentence. Call it live editing)
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: Social media has fundamentally changed marketing. But brands understand products and services, but they don't understand how products are used in the real world. Those companies that do social well use their own products.
- Louis Gray
Robert: The common thing I see between companies doing well in this space is that they have set up their whole system is to do something remarkable that is becoming social. You have the best service. (Examples: Zappos and Tiny Prints)
- Louis Gray
Robert: Zappos forces every new employee to Twitter. During your training period, you have to Twitter, so you can be empowered to represent your brand in public. The janitor is never ever going to talk about the company. Look at Apple! At Zappos, everybody can talk on behalf of the company.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: There is a danger at looking at what consumers say and having that drive your company, because that looks at the last three products - not the future. Tony at Zappos can do that with his company, but that's not going to happen at Hitachi.
- Louis Gray
Mark: I don't care if you have 10 people or 1,000 people, it is very hard to do that.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: If you build your product based on what Robert likes on his blog, then you make him happy, but it might not be smart.
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: If you look at FriendFeed, Robert is a very passionate user, but they cannot listen to him because he is different, and it hasn't yet crossed the chasm.
- Louis Gray
Audience Member: Sometimes the loudest user seems like the only user. We get a lot of mixed reviews, but there will be 200 reviews, and 1/3 are bad, not because it is a bad place, but because there aren't that many people reviewing. If you have a Google or YouTube, it is going to come out in the wash.
- Louis Gray
Mark: One of the big ideas we are bringing to our clients is to help facilitate our brand ambassadors. A lot of conversations can come to your Web site. How does a small company understand that in a world of hundreds of million dollar or billion dollar brands? In the long tail, somebody has built a blog post about it.
- Louis Gray
Robert: That's what I am doing with Building 43: Is trying to reach out to businesses that are not embedded in the social Web yet.
- Louis Gray
Kevin: There's also the problem of knowing somebody I can trust. The two paths that are coming are geographical filtering, and through friends. How can you get recommendations from people you actually trust?
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you look at things that are easy for people to understand. (Example: FourSquare) You get points for saying you are at places. There is this idea of rewarding people for making social actions, to learn where their friends are.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: You should be searching for people who have a certain lifestyle. (Fish where the fish are)
- Louis Gray
Audience member: If you want to be relevant, your brand needs to provide value. The biggest mistake people are making is that they are pushing their brand and not adding value, but they are not engaging.
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: If your restaurant set up all the events on Upcoming, you will be associated with it.
- Louis Gray
Mark: The best thing you can do is set yourself up to be the best friend of the user.
- Louis Gray
Robert: There is a taco truck in LA that tweets its location on Twitter and sells out every single day.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: I do my research on Twitter because I don't want to go to Google and find dead links or outdated links.
- Louis Gray
Robert: Have a sign in your store and say, "Are you a Twitter user?" Everybody is going to follow you who you tweet about. They are going to see that in their Twitter and their referral logs.
- Louis Gray
Mark: Your @ and Your /name is the new dotcom. I think you can do the @ and let the insiders know you are out there. Businesses have to learn how to do that.
- Louis Gray
Audience member: Do you know examples of B2B and partnering space that have had successes?
- Louis Gray
Jeremiah: Your trick at Cisco is to create marketing materials that are useful for your channel partners and sales force (interrupted by audience member)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: If you have a set of information, get people to respond to that. You need someone who can provide the expertise to the channel.
- Louis Gray
*Panel concludes*
- Louis Gray
Good work Louis!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Mark Evans: The next event in August will be about why Marketing and PR suck with Guy Kawasaki, Scoble.... oh ... Louis Gray too. :)
- Louis Gray
Louis Gray? That name's familiar...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Pretty hard to hide in the back of the room when the entire panel is on FriendFeed. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Thanks for covering this. It was an interesting read. Parts of the discussion reminded me of that Mark Zuckerberg interview by Sarah Lacy. That was the first moment I realized that we (the internet users that have been posting to forums, blogs, etc. for years) can no longer sit back and passively consume information. We expect the freedom to speak up and have been conditioned to believe...
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- Chip Ramsey
Louis: great notes! Thanks for doing that.
- Robert Scoble
Really great job live friendfeeding. that's the first time I've ever said that. "Live friendfeeding"
- Jeremiah Owyang
Thanks Robert and Jeremiah for participating in the panel and commenting here. FriendFeed is a great tool for live blogging, and very flexible. Note I took this thread and posted it to louisgray.com as well when completed.
- Louis Gray
Interesting thoughts - - I wrote about Marketing 2.0 some time ago here: http://www.societal-web.com/blog...
- William Buist
Louis - thank you for doing this "live friendfeeding." Great to finally meet you in person last night and look forward to you being on the panel in August.
- Bill Sanders
Thanks for doing these great notes, Louis - I should take Jeremiah's advice and blog more myself
- Kevin Marks
blogging as we know it is dying...it's evolving to be a bigger value chain of activities...
- John Furrier
Louis: Thank you so much for coming out last night! And, WOW! thank you for taking incredible event notes.
- Mark Evans
Great "FriendFeed Casting" thread by @Louis Gray of Am.Marketing Association event panel incl. @JOwyang @Scobleizer
- Alex Schleber
Report: Brands organize for social media in 3 ways: Tire, Tower, or Hub and Spoke. Find out the most popular way http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
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I dig it. This is an endorsement of Brogan's "outpost" model, right? http://www.chrisbrogan.com/using-o...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Brogan is a smart dude, I didn't see that post till now. good find Daniel
- Jeremiah Owyang
Social Media for Companies 80% strategy 20% technology. Could it be a 110% effort 80% strategy 20% Humanity/Humility/Culture 10% technology? Don't mean to split hairs I guess the humanity can be encapsulated in the strategy, however I think the human touch needs to be at the top of the list. Because it's the connection, the social in Social Media that makes it work.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Jeremiah Owyang is about to use @scobleizer's new love for microblogging in a panel tonight, y'all should check it out: "Realized that @scobleizer doesn't blog much anymore --and invests most time on Friendfeedand Twitter. We will discuss at panel tonight" (via http://friendfeed.com/jowyang...)
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I believe this here building43 community is what J is referring to.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Well this is ONE of many communities Scoble is active on --but not his blog
- Jeremiah Owyang
Sure it is! The fragmentation of Robert's attention has got to be the important point here. Notice how Robert's the highest profile proponent of OurDoings.com. Even though it's got a comparatively tiny userbase he can get away with using it because FF and other aggregators allow him to roll it up into more populous networks.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
This is sorta old news, right? I mean we went through all this back in December...
- Ken Sheppardson
GillmorGang in which Arrington and Calacanis give Robert flack - http://friendfeed.com/stevegi...
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken - I think we might be making the mistake of thinking Jeremiah just noticed today - maybe the key is that today is the day he decided to take that message to his clients and audience in his official capacity. Robert did it six months ago, it's working, and now J is spreading the word to Forrester's clientele.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
And here's Arrington's follow up blog post - http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Ken Sheppardson
He's not a good blogger but he is great at engaging conversations. I like it better this way. Who needs another blogger? There's plenty of them out there creating their formulaic posts. Bravo Robert for doing something exciting and genuinely useful.
- Mark Bean
Daniel, you got it totally right. In fact, FriendFeed is the reason he's a proponent of OurDoings at all. (Its other selling points don't apply to him.) I think we're going to see a lot of sites outsource their social networking to FriendFeed. Although Facebook is the biggest social network, FriendFeed is more standards-based, has less onerous terms, and is just generally more fun.
- Bruce Lewis
Headed to "birdland" at 539 bryant, sf
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Will you be "jumping in" with your trombone? :) Anything like 315 W. 44th St.?
- Melanie Reed
heh, in birdland, I meant Twitter HQ
- Jeremiah Owyang
What, are they jazzing up the GUI? :)
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
bring cupcakes
- Allen Stern
Well, in honor of you and them in Twitterville: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Melanie Reed
Realized that @scobleizer doesn't blog much anymore --and invests most time on Friendfeedand Twitter. We will discuss at panel tonight
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Interesting that you'd bring that up today - he's been talking about it for months. I suppose he talks so much it's impossible to read every one of his tweets/FF posts.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
On a related note, Robert is still doing the work of a blogger he just doesn't stream it through his personal Scobleizer site any more. More content, faster content, smaller content. Lifestreaming is superseding blogging for many, many use cases.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
See http://steverubel.com for a new example. Check out all the crazy stuff Scoble's driving on the building43 community page: http://www.building43.com/communi...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
more discussion that way - more value for me personally. Thanks @scobleizer
- Mark Bean
robert's job basically requires him not to blog so he can spend his days around the socialsphere - i wouldn't assume he is anything but a special case
- Allen Stern
Just reshared this thread to the FF "Building 43" group and now it's got pride of place on http://building43.com/communi... ! Instant engagement.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Allen - Robert's a special case but he's also an important bellwether. The fact that ur-blogger Robert uses Friendfeed in lieu of his private WordPress mySQL backend is proof of @jowyang's ideas about colonization being the next step in the social web.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
How long will we be able to get away with "destination" blogs once more people start playing like Scoble and Rubel and extending their presence to a realtime polymedia web-wide discussion?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I actually think MY blog is the "Hub" all the other tools are important, but are hooks. Each tool has a specific benefit, but the long term search benefits, and calling card is the blog...at least for now.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah - using web-strategist as your hub makes perfect sense in your niche as an analyst. You've got to project authority to corporate clients. The great thing is that you can integrate offsite social tools - like Friendfeed - into your media hub using iframes and who knows what else. Come to think of it I'm not sure why I'm telling you all of this - you clearly already get it as...
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- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Thanks David. I'm aggregating and allowing people to 'pollinate' with my blog redesign.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Is this a sign of a shift from blogging to life streaming and that the rest of us are holding on to a dying form of communication?
- Jorge Escobar
Blogs are still useful, they're just uncomfortably monolithic. Lifestreaming is the Hulu to blogging's NBC.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
I really need everybody who knows me, personally or professionally, to read this: http://chris.pirillo.com/persona... [Thank you.]
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Of course there's nothing to like about this, but I wish you both the best! Love and hugs to both of you.
- Leo Laporte
:( {{hugs}}
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
I'm sorry, Chris.
- Anika Malone
You have my full sympathy, and compliments for a very brave post.
- Stephen Mack
Like Leo said, wishing you both the best as you transition into this new phase -- both personally and professionally. Your contributions to the community are amazing and I hope you continue to push forward enriching the lives of geeks and non geeks alike across teh tubes and internets.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Nothing more to add to Leo's comment. All the best to both of you!
- Holger Eilhard
Sorry to hear of this, but you do what you must for the both of you to be happy.
- JA Castillo (جاسون)
All the best to both of you! :)
- TheHenry
change can be good sometimes, best of luck to both of u
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Sorry to hear, but hopefully a start of a new day Chris
- Jorge Escobar
+1 on JA's comment.
- Patrick Jordan
All the best to both of you and thanks for having the guts and dignity to share what must be a painful, personal experience.
- WorldofHiglet
Sorry to hear it Chris. Never an easy process.
- Nathan Chase
I'm sorry to hear this Chris. *hugs*
- Carmen
Well, I don't know you personally or professionally, but, I'm still sorry you are hurting. Hoping you two are able to get through this amicably.
- Yolanda
Ponzi and you are in my prayers.
- ChiliMac
I cannot add anything more to Yolanda's comment, so I'll simply say that I echo it.
- Miss Elle
Sorry, Chris.
- Hao Chen
Sorry dude :(
- Rodfather
Sorry to hear Chris. I hope everything is ok and wish you the best during this difficult time.
- Mark Krynsky
Sorry to hear that, Chris. :(
- Michael McKean
My condolences, Chris. As a long-time community member, I must credit you to share this information. It's never easy going through this kind of thing, but I hope all turns out well.
- David Ford
Sad to hear this; hope everything works out for you both.
- Andrew Terry
Handle your business, Chris.
- Derrick
Best of luck to you both. See you on the other side man.
- Carlos Ayala
Take care of yourself Chris. I am sorry.
- Kamath (नमः)
Good luck, dude
- Andrew
Chris, there's no formula for how to handle the public side of this, but your post seemed sufficient and decent. All the best (to everyone involved) during this difficult time.
- Micah Wittman
Whoa, so sorry ot hear that Chris. Damn.
- Josh Haley
you're still a healthy good looking if a little quirky fella - you've got plenty of relationships to look forward to :)
- Zee.
I wish you both the best, whatever happens. You've always come across as a strong guy, and your community will always be there to support you.
- Craig [deakaz]
Love and support to both of you.
- Robert Scoble
wishing both of you the best always.
- Kim Landwehr
Chris, you know I'm a friend for life. I wish the best for you both.
- Jack Carlson
I'm sorry for you both. Can't be easy.
- Christian Burns
I'm so sorry for you both. It's never an easy thing; harder still to say it in public. My best wishes go with you both.
- Karoli
I dont know you nor a personal or professional , but u make me laught, learn, buy and seeing u for so many time in youtube and the stream , you are one of my best friends without knowing you Theres nothing i can say about this, but if it helps, U know we all love you too . PEACE Chris ps, sorry 4 my bad english
- elefantastico
See ya at Gnomedex Chris, any support needed and we're here for you.
- Greg Birch
:-( I'm sorry, Chris. Warm thoughts and hugs to both of you.
- Ladybug Heather
Guess it's finally time for us to get drunk and hug awkwardly.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Wow. Not much to add other than sorry to hear because I know it has to have been a rough time making that decision and then going through with it. Good luck to both of you. I hope things look up from here.
- Lindsay is :)
Sorry to hear about that, good luck, I am sure it is very difficult to go through.
- Andrea G
Sorry to hear about that, Chris.
- Derek Coward
Ah man,that sucks. hope all goes well for you chris good luck.
- pcguru626
Luckily you have plenty of support ready at a moments notice.
- Pete D
I'm so sorry to hear about this Chris. All the best.
- Lloyd Hannesson
Thanks for this post...thinking warm throughts for you.
- susan mernit
Thank you for sharing your dark moments with us in addition to your bright ones. My best to you both. Marriage is not easy.
- Francine Hardaway
Majorly saddened to hear both of you. But things and people change, it's a natural part of life.
- Robbie Steele
Really sorry to hear that, Chris. I'm sure it's tough on you both. Best of luck to the two of you in your future personal endeavors.
- Josh McConnell
sorry to hear that man
- Mike VanLare (slayerboy)
Sad to hear the news. Best wishes to you and Ponzi.
- Mike Lewis
:(
- Valley
good luck!
- Thomas Hawk
Do what's best for the both of you
- Cassidy
:(
- timepilot
Life happens. Best of luck to you, Chris.
- Laura Norvig
{{{{ HHHHUUUUUGGGG}}}}}
- Susan Beebe
Take things one day, one step, even one BREATH at a time. You will make it, Chris!
- Now Voyager
I went through this last year - it's not easy, and it's an emotional roller coaster, but you have to believe that happiness and peace lies on the other side. Best of luck.
- Iain Baker
Perhaps consoling (I hope) http://www.chimehosting.com/moonali...
- HelloHealthy
Goodluck Chris
- Steve Allen
Good luck bud
- Jeremiah Owyang
Best of luck. I hope that new opportunities open quickly for you after this door closes and that you find yourself in a better place.
- Martha
Best of luck Chris!
- @GarinKilpatrick
Chris, just saw this - it's never good news. I wish you the best and stay positive!
- Jesse Stay
Well, that sucks.
- MVB
oh crap, my mom reads my tweets.
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That's nothing. My daughter reads mine!
- Leo Laporte
You knew that. By the way, I read your mom's tweets.
- Louis Gray
I was just going to say no one reads mine because of the hide feature Louis introduced me to...speaking of the devil;)
- Rick Bucich
my friends and family are not as technologically savvy as i wish. No one reads my stuff ;(
- Nelson Mateo
I blame your cancer! #BlameDrewsCancer
- Bas
haha, my mom reads my tweets when i dont pickup my phone, which is usually on a weekend night, and i usually have up non-mom-friendly tweets like "getting drunk with [girls name]"
- Paul Stamatiou
hap to me long time ago
- Jeremiah Owyang
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