Debate: Help me understand, should US stay in Middle East "finish the job" (McCain) so they don't have to return, or leave in near future, around 2010 (Obama). Let's keep this civil, but defned your stance. Also, it would be interesting if you mentioned where you are from
Honestly, I have mixed reactions, but hearing the many intelligent points you're going to offer below will help me to make a decision, and influence my vote.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Well, since the Iraqi government appears eager to attempt to handle control of their own country, I say we allow them to do that and get forces out as soon as possible.
- Nathaniel Payne
finish the job and keep a small base there, ie(Germany, Korea, Japan)
- Caleb Easterwood
I'm from the midwest. It's been time to leave for a while now. McCain talks about not leaving before we've won. We left Nam & didn't win. We went to Iraq under false pretenses. There were no WMD's or serious Al Queda threat. It's been a cluster **** ever since. They want us out & it's time to go.
- W!cKeD Underpants Captain
I think its time to go home. What really did it for me was hearing the Prime Minister of Iraq this week. He's saying he wants the U.S. to leave. Why are we still debating this issue? They don't want us there. If we stay we're officially denying Iraq of its sovereign right to self determination. The majority of the American people want to end the war too. Let's get out.
- Bukola
What frustrates me is what's missing in the public dialog. Few candidates--except perhaps Cynthia McKinney, Ralph Nader, and Ron Paul--are able to ask whether it is an ethical position to "finish the job." The American government/military is an invader in Iraq, and we Americans need to take the perspective suggested by Noam Chomsky several months ago: What did we say about the Soviet invaders in Afghanistan? Shouldn't we be held to the same standard? As an American, I don't want any invaders to succeed.
- Paul Allison, NYC teacher
We can't stay there forever and we shouldn't even if we could. However, we can't just say, 'Welp, it's be fun! Good luck!' and then leave suddenly. It will have to be gradual but it needs to happen eventually. The Democratic candidates irritate me to no end when they act like they're just going to be able to have the troops pack up and leave overnight. Caleb's right, too, we may pull out most of our forces but we'll still have troops there for the next decade.
- Akiva
Has anyone ever properly defined "finish the job"? Or "victory" for that matter? Wars can be won - occupations can not. Proof is in history.
- Zoli Erdos
I am from NYC. I believe that it is in our and the Iraqis' best interest to leave in the near future. Our presence there drives insurgent activity and anti American sentiment - it fuels non religious nationalist insurgents and helps Al Qaeda recruit more converts. We created an independent, sovereign government and they want us to leave. McCain himself said that when they want us to leave, we will. Will he keep this very important promise with the world watching?
- mike
Finish -- but that depends on what degree. Leave when the Iraqi government can sustain stability without losing too much control. Toronto here.
- Shey
Agreed, Zoli, we need to define what the "job" is before we can have a prayer at finishing said job. I'm in San Francisco, though I do travel to London frequently
- Prolific Programmer
Thank you Paul for such a well laid out argument. Keeping troops there for another decade would appear to be occupation. It seems to me that it is easy to make a semantic change and "Invaders" are "Liberators". Same thing with Rebels or Freedom fighters. Sure, it will take some time to pull out, but it can be done over a relatively short amount of time and there's no need to be there suffering attrition for another decade. IMHO
- W!cKeD Underpants Captain
I think we need to gradually draw down our forces and leave only enough troops to ensure that the Iraqi government can control any anti-government forces. Don't forget that there are more than just US forces in Iraq. There are still British, Australian, and Dutch forces. Maybe a NATO or UN contingent can possibly take over peacekeeping tasks in the future for as long as they are needed. That said, it is all contingent on whether or not the legitimate Iraqi government wants any future assistance.
- Michael Tefft
The administration said they began the surge so that we could secure the country so we could bring our boys home. After our fine men and women accomplished that mission with flying colors, as usual the mission changed. Now, we're told we have to continue the surge so things don't get bad again. Talk about a perpetual motion machine. But the true judges on whether we should get out are the Iraqi government and their people. If they want us out, we should leave.
- Chris Reed
I forgot to mention that I am from Virginia.
- Michael Tefft
We should take our troops home and leave our money. If Iraq enhances it's infrastructure through legitimate means (i.e. not drug / guns sales) it will mean real jobs for real people...
- gregory
I'll echo the same. Define what 'the job' is and then finish that before you leave. Then everyone -- Americans, Iraqis and the RoW -- will know what to expect and when. Then move resources to Afghanistan and do the exact same thing.
- ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Recently, someone in a FriendFeed post brought up the phenomenon of typing out a comment and then censoring yourself and deleting it. I've done that about 10 times with this thread. Time to walk away.
- Akiva
Why do we need to even wait for a signal from the Iraqis? Has history ever know an occupied people who didn't want the occupiers out?
- Paul Allison, NYC teacher
It is long past time to leave this war that is only costing us money we don't have and risking the lives of soldiers who are trying so hard to do a job that, in this case, is poorly defined. This war is costly in lives, international relations and money - ending it can only benefit us.
- Leslie Poston
I think that there is nothing to accomplish by remaining. They should leave before more soldiers are killed and more money is wasted (money that can be spend more constructively on the US economy). I am from Ireland.
- Mark
The problem is that the folks who have been writing the definition for the past 8 years have freely rewritten it as needed. Revisionist politics at it's best. The rhetoric has changed as quickly as Bush needed a new scare tactic or talking point. We are way past the point of coming up with definitions at this stage in the game. We should have been focusing on Afghanistan & Pakistan this entire time. IMO it has never truly been about the terrorists. If it were we'd have Osama BL. Listen to the Iraqis.
- W!cKeD Underpants Captain
Iran has nuclear power, Isreal has nuclear power , Saudi is inbetween. Iraq was pwned by by the Us on WMD. US needs to control this theater or else .. they will not have Saudi oil. Between Isreal and Iran if a flare up takes place, US is FUBAR'ed even more. Firstly the whole WMD was a lie and Bush used it just to bloster fear in the country. Thats what you all get for electing Bush in...
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- Peter Dawson
BENCHMARK (I'll be doing this over the next few hours to summarize what I'm hearing) This is primarily swaying towards the following: 1) define what 'exit' means. 2) Leave now
- Jeremiah Owyang
Kirkland WA. McCain needs to define what the job is and how we know when we've finished. If the goal is to secure a U.S. military presence to ensure access to oil, then meeting the goal is just a ticket to stay. Hence the McCain 50 or a 100 or a 1000 years.
- Michael Markman
Gainesville, FL: Without really dropping a vote in either "bucket", I believe that staying or leaving is all about what's happening on the ground. When, based upon what's happening on the ground, we or Iraq believe our help is no longer needed then we should exit in the safest manner possible. That should drive our troop actions, not election sound bites. The candidate that comes closest to that reasoned approach on this and other topics will likely get my vote.
- Dan Rua
Dallas, TX - As we did not have accurate information, I do not believe we should have ever entered. That said, I agree with the NY Times & others define what success means to McCain. Finally, as we have so many critical problems within our country spending billions in Iraq appears unwarranted to me. We are the USA, not the world police force. As a super power, certainly we have a measure of responsiblity to help others, but not to such tremendous cost in lives and money for our own citizens.
- R. Ferguson
I still haven't met a FF application I could stand to use for more than a few minutes.
- Craig Eddy
I saw an early alpha of the iPhone app. Looked good. I also saw an early alpha of Seesmic web and the way it advanced between the alpha and launch was dramatic - so I expect the iPhone client will track the same way.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Robert that's really great. I definitely will consider switching back when the Seesmic iPhone app arrives.
- Vinko
Will get me,too, switched back to using Seesmic ;) Looking forward to hear from Loic soon
- Ali BULUT
This might just tempt me away from Tweetdeck...
- Andrew Terry
If they add friendfeed to the web app, I'll maybe use it instead of PeopleBrowsr. But then again, peoplebrowsr has implemented friendfeed in a very good way already.
- Svartling
You gotta keep an eye on Yahoo homepage. They have FB integration and someday may integrate Twitter (they have the 'what are you doing now'). Seesmic is way ahead, but Yahoo has mainstream adoption
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I agree. The new Yahoo homepage is impressive.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Im not sure it's impressive, as it's evolutionary, not revolutionary. When Wave comes out, it could dash the shine that Yahoo has.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Where do I sign up! I'm praying your web app will make my life of FF, FB, Twitter ETC more manageable!!!!! W/out crashing my puters AND still let me see my Home feeds!
- Arleen Boyd
I'm thinking that this is the type of post that would be good reason for FriendFeed to have a "Love" click option next to the "Like" click option so that we can register better levels of our emotion towards news we read in others' streams!
- Chris Aldrich
Agree on the whole. I always find these categories a little artificial: Really "Forrester-speak". :) I think the recommendations are the most interesting. I'd make a separate post out of that.
- Meryn Stol
You say it yourself: "What’s interesting isn’t this vision for the future, but what it holds in store for brands, " . I'd like these recommendations to be fleshed out with concrete first steps to take. Doesn't have to be more than links to relevant resources.
- Meryn Stol
Meryn The recommendations are fleshed out in the actual reports. Our clients (brands) have access to see them.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Hmm ok... Then I'll need to get the details elsewhere I guess. :)
- Meryn Stol
There will be a give and take between communities and brands. The thing is, Facebook doesn't have a competitive alternative that users could go to. In my report, we suggest that active communities could define specs for products, and bid MULTIPLE companies to build it.
- Jeremiah Owyang
good stuff Jeremiah, enjoyed and some good thought provokers there for the future
- Richard Binhammer
Nice paper but really expensive for young people. $750 means $41 for page.
- Alp
Great information, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Maria Reyes-McDavis
Interesting, but very general and hard to apply. I see companies more as å provide of tools/stage for conversation, aka the gold rush mining vs selling tools
- Anders Dahlberg
Alp, Many of Forrester's clients are large brands who have a subscription. We're still sharing a great deal on this blog, and have given the report to bloggers to cover, so there's value to be had there.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah (and the team), a great piece of work and, I imagine, a labour of both love and loathing at times! I have been very interested in this area as I have looked at the shift in skills to deliver social media activity changes from one of basic coding knowledge to much more human, interactive skills.
- Paul Fabretti
Fantastic article! I found it SO intriguing that I've even printed it out!
- J. D. Ebberly
"How Brands Should Prepare" is a great bit of information. Jeremiah, it would be nice (i'd be reading) if you expanded in future blog posts about the "How Brands Should Prepare".
- frank barry
That's likely to be a research report I'm thinking about writing Frank
- Jeremiah Owyang
Probably correct in assuming that most online social networks will neither spawn nor solidify to the point of being considered ‘affinity groups’ with the level of cohesion, unified budgetary authority or organized implementation capability of NGOs, churches, or employee aggregations. Even in the era of social commerce. I hope I’m wrong.
- A Mitchell
Great post, understanding the future's potential is more important than ever on the social web.
- Vlad Hrouda
"With cellphones like the iPhone sporting a good amount of storage space and very capable music players, a lot of people have abandoned the dedicated MP3 player for what their cellphones have to offer. Are you one of them?"
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
People want to carry an ipod for hearing music, a iphone for communication, a tablet for browsing and kindle for reading ebooks. If they can carry all those, why not? Forget 'travel light'
- TrafficBug
my iphone is for comms and podcasts. My old ipod for my music collection since the iphone can't handle 70gb of mp3's right now ;)
- alphaxion
I've used my phone in place of a dedicated audio player and camera for a long time, and haven't had many problems, although I tend not to carry around a large music collection.
- Tyson Key
In 2002, I had a 20 GB iPod G2 and phone capable of playing and recording audio with 64MB of memory. I carried both, because the music playing capabilities of the phone were a joke. Now I have a 30 GB iPod G5 and a 32 GB iPhone 3GS, and I use the iPhone to play music 95% of the time. I only use the iPod in my car anyway, I wouldn't carry both devices with me.
- Brome
Oddly enough, my first portable music device *was* my iPhone. I've had head units that could play WMA/MP3 CD's and DVDs for years so I was able to travel with most of my regularly listened to music collection in about 7 DVDs. I use it for music, media, communications and entertainment, and it even connects to my head unit, the only thing I still carry around seperately are my SLR and DSLR cameras and laptop for image processing.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
from fftogo
Sort of. My old iPod is now reserved for kids music and plays in their room, whereas all of my content is on my iPhone.
- Andrew Leyden
Pretty much. Since getting my iPhone 3GS, my 80GB iPod video has been sitting unused on my desk.
- Herb Hernandez
I own a mp3 player and a 8 mpx camera but yet it is my phone to which I turn when I need pictures or music for the most part. Of course, the down side is that my phone takes a 2.5 mm headphone jack, but the upside is that if I use the 2.5 mm headbuds that came with it, I can tune in NPR on the FM radio application. (Which is really what I use MOST when it comes to using the phone to listen to something.)
- Miss Elle
I did (I own an iPhone), but then phone calls keep interrupting my music. I'm probably going to pick up the 5th gen Nano this week.
- Rob H.
I agree about Scoble's instincts... I just stay away from things that make him cry
- Sean Reiser
That's a tough test. I'd be hard-pressed to give anyone my money who didn't already have a track record.
- Hutch Carpenter
Scoble might very well have more success than the majority of VCs if given money.
- Mark Evans
I wrote him a five figure check once.
- Louis Gray
I hope to write Louis Gray a five figure check some time
- Jesse Stay
Yeah, Louis, that investment's doing all right, ain't it?
- Hutch Carpenter
After another 35K miles, he might just let you, Jesse. :)
- Mark Evans
Ill write Louis a Four Figure Check so he can turn it into a 5 figure check he can give scoble
- Jeremiah Owyang
What would Scoble invest in if he were a VC?
- Mark Evans
who will write me a 3 figure check so I can give it to Louis?
- Jeremiah Owyang
I love foursquare (when it's up). Congrats to the team on raising a round. Interesting area.
- John McCrea
John I noticed it's been having problems the last few days too
- Jeremiah Owyang
FourSquare is cool. If I could, I would invest in Yelp. I think they are closer to the real money than Twitter or Facebook is. That means that they will either get purchased, or will go all the way on their own. The Yelp iPhone app is already the best one for location. The rest are just games. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Scoble’s strength as a VC would be bolstered by his ability to pull in outside pieces for mashups and outside marketing/publicity resources to build early momentum. This is something most VCs claim to do, but are really only around to write cheques. However, a role that might fit Scoble better than being a pure VC would be to also direct an incubation garage where he could contribute ideas and solutions on a daily, face-to-face basis.
- A Mitchell
Fourquare is not ready for prime time. I'm on it, I play it, but it just isn't stable or accurate or complete enough to be really satisfying. That being said, I am still the Mayor of Sam's Chowder House.
- Francine Hardaway
Francine, I had claim to New England Aquarium for a short time :-) I only wish it was available in Salt Lake City now.
- Jesse Stay
I used to think Brightkite but Foursquare has the mojo right now. It's tied to places so it's easier to use and rewards frequent check-ins with fun titles like Mayor and achievements. It has a solid business model. And it's much more social. I've use them both and I'm increasingly gravitating toward foursquare.
- Leo Laporte
Foursquare is an absolutely amazing social, location awareness app. Moreover, it is super young and although limited to the city you are in, it should dominate when it picks up steam. Plus, it has a really friggin cool name.
- Braden Douglass
I like Foursquare but Brightkite has more features; upload photos to flickr, sync update with facebook status, comments/mentions and already a few augmented reality mashups. Here's my location based iPhone app review blog post: http://socialwayne.com/pvc . Foursquare isn't in my city yet but I had a chance to "play" with it during a recent NYC trip. It has features that will make users...
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- Wayne Sutton
Lindsay: Nope. Foursquare only works in 21 cities: http://foursquare.com/cities . Which makes it a non-starter, since the nearest one of those is 400+ miles away from me.
- Otto
look forward to reading this, Jeremiah. I had something similar with an Instructor. Was reluctant not because I had anything I didn't want seen, but its the relationship criteria and the perspective of each party that made me pause.
- Melanie Reed
I never understood why this is a problem. I usually reply 'terribly sorry, I have this account for friends and family'. Most people understand. All networks are not the same - he can also offer to connect with his boss on LinkedIn instead.
- Sofia @ SoMaFusion
I will wait for jeremiah for his advise.
- Wins Fern
I blogged my advice see web-straegist.com/blog
- Jeremiah Owyang
Lovely ROFL :))) to tell something like "maybe next time, dear?" LOL :D
- Lora Lufark
Slayerboy: good marketers won't get blocked. I really appreciated getting cuts in line at Six Flags because of their Twitter contest.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Good marketers aren't most marketers :)
- Brett Kelly
Only if Guy likes it will they come. Friendfeed.alltop.com and all that.
- Pete D
from iPhone
Robert: I don't mind good marketers, as long as they're genuine. Too many of them (particular the "social media marketing gurus") are just unforgivably obnoxious and fake in their attempts to pimp their own garbage services/blog. So, I really hope you're right :)
- Brett Kelly
Bad marketers on FriendFeed will survive in search results. Do a search for a couple of terms like 'canon 135mm' and you'll see plenty of entries that are just links to people selling the lens. You're not going to block them all. I don't see that as a big problem, but I suspect they'll be successful enough there to keep them coming.
- Edward Coffey
Start? I've been here for a loooong time. A few of my 'marketing' friends have been too.
- AJ Kohn
Marketers phase has already started in Turkey. Friendfeed is generally used by them, or I think like that...
- Sabri Küstür
we need like a freindfeed costranostra to keep the peace, and make things just poof into the ethersphere
- Robert Higgins
so wish i was a freindfeed coder and i could merge with the stream and provide some community services... :AKA Hiro Protaganist
- Robert Higgins
"Now on to Google Wave! - sean andersen" Exactly. Unless the FF core team is over there on the sandbox right now, doing all they can to start the scrambling scrum RIGHT NOW, the big GWave will assimilate all. At least until the assimilation wave after that. FF has maybe a one year window -- if that -- to make it's move, whatever that might be, starting right now.
- michael silverton
Citronella - I like that the spammers are vaporized almost instantly here. Decent built in tools for group reporting.
- BairdWilliamson
If I got here before Guy and I'm geekless does that give me any special designation?
- Kimber Scott
michael silverton: Wave sandbox already looks like Gmail. I bet when they release it, it will be Gmail 2.0. I hope Bret & co. are studying it close...
- sean andersen
Kimber: you are geeky because you were here before...whether you like that designation or not :)
- WoH: Minding her Botts
Louis has more than *one* soul? Or is this a left-foot, right-foot thing. Colour me confus`ed :D
- Micah
LOL! Well, I guess I could be called an amateur geek...
- Kimber Scott
from email
@silverton, agreed that FriendFeed has a limited time window to figure out what it wants to be when it's all grown up.. in other news, can't believe it took Guy this long to show up here to play. Nothing wrong with a little marketing, especially if it's of the "Moving the Freeline" variety.. +1 Gilbert, LOL.
- Alex Schleber
If I were Guy, or the head of any company, be it a camera shop or whatever, whenever I had a little free time, I'd tweet out, "Hey, I'm going to be on FriendFeed for an hour or so, answering any questions about Alltop, telling you about its features, advantages, and benefits, come join in!" or something like that. That's a vertical that feeds off Twitter and really enriches both platforms, utilizing them both for their strengths.
- Stephen Pickering
With Leo, Steve Rubel, and Guy K now all here .. this landscape is about to change ... agreed.
- Charlie Anzman
I'm reading Crossing the Chasm, only 18 years after it was published. Can I blend in as a "marketer" now?
- DGentry
So, do you think the population will tend to shift to more casual people than the creme de la creme people. I feel so, since there are only the innovative, open-minded people on FriendFeed right now; and I think the change is pretty near.
- Yiğit Arda Türkoğlu
Marketing guys have always been here. The difference... tactics and respect. That being said change is always happening and even still I'm not sure Friendfeed will hit the critical mass Twitter has with marketers. The friendfeed brand will likely be defined differently than Twitter and attract different people. Time will tell.
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
why? can't marketing guys and geeks get along?
- kakuei
No. We cannot get along. This war has been waged for too long, and too much blood has been spilled. Most of us no longer even remember why we are fighting, but it doesn't matter. Victory is all that matters.
- DGentry
The marketers are already here, but most of them are totally clueless about how friendfeed works. They somehow think they can dump their stuff here and it will get "found" and when that doesn't work, they just go back to twitter. The ones that do understand how it works either feel it is too much damn work to fake being real to be worth it, or they are the real deal and it works quite well for them.
- April
April: I think there's some cost-benefit analysis going on there. There's a smaller crowd at FF and it takes a lot more work. Plus, most people here are marketing jaded.
- Trent Hamm
Guy is a marketer, sure, but also a geek. Geeks phase ends when the Celebs show up.
- Garin Kilpatrick
well if they start selling, just dont click "like" or "comment" and they will drop off the page in minutes
- Mark
I think some marketers are already here..but anyway, you think Guy being here will change things much?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Robert, "Wanna learn how to get 1,000's of Friendfeed friends in no time. Click here http://somespammylink.com to learn my patent pending, amazing, fantastic, game-changing, and revolutionary way to gain residual income through the magic of your Friendfeed friends." Don't click yet, I was just brushing up!
- Sean Powell
I'm so honored to have read this message from scoble. I'm grateful for our "geeks only" days that we've all shared! LOL
- Jason Pollock
No Kidding! Welcome Guy Kawasaki, who ever your are.
- Houseofmax
thats unfortunate, but who is GuyK?
- echostreamer
When the marketer wagon shows up I'll be going private.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
Yeah, Jim Goldstein sez it: those of us from the dark side that stumbled into these sweet precincts have kept a low profile... sorta like taking your hat off when you go to church ; >
- Thom Kennon
he's actually been here awhile, just not posting, mr scoble
- chaz2b
Some ppl cannot be stopped. Like me! Not geeky enough, a girl, too wall st. Watch out, cause tenacity wins every time.
- Liza + = ?
well then lets learn from Twitter and not follow every stupid command that celebrities give us to rocket them to the top of friend feed. BOYCOTT ALL CELEBRITIES ON FRIEND FEED to save this from becoming the punchline that twitter. save the whales, then save friend feed plez :)
- echostreamer
Jason Pollock liked this, that is HILARIOUS! He posts the most redundant links on Twitter...a notorious spammer. At least Guy admits what he does, still somewhat annoying. Not sure why Leo Laporte was mentioned, I don't see him fitting that GK mold at all.
- Benjamin Taylor
In retrospect ... it seems to have been a hit and run for now ?? Hoping not. Would be great to see him actively engaging here. A LOT to offer. Marketing crowd? ... No worries - There's always 'block, tackle and hide .....' here
- Charlie Anzman
Robert, I think this is such crazy talk, you're a marketer too ;)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Umm, I'm pretty sure that Guy is also a geek. Regardless of what his cool cred is...then again his cool cred is totally geek cool cred.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Guy Kawasaki does have magic initials, I will give him that.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Post, Kimber added you as a friend on Goodreads. We need you to confirm that you are, in fact, friends with Kimber. To confirm this friend request, follow the below link: http://www.goodreads.com/friend... &utm_medium=email&utm_source=invite - Kimber (kimberscott.art@gmail.com)
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from email
Robert - you post on the race for real time web is amazing - I really want to know where you see real time TV fitting into this?
- James Stewart
Don't pull an Arrington, man. Be cool.
- Daniel Fath
Nice going Robert, we all are looking forward to knowing when the time comes.
- courtney benson
Damn... I got excited for a second that I may be among the first to know what he's up to. I guess I'll wait to find out along with everyone else!
- Jodi Echakowitz
Daniel: it could be "JeremiahGate!" :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you guys are already breaking the ground by using Kyte etc and I tune in, but as a business channel in NZ I believe we need to be out there every day interviewing amazing people, streaming it live, enabling real time chats via FF and the Ustream intergration with facebook - I see facebook as the new TV platform that most people spend their time hanging out on and if they see an...
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- James Stewart
FF is pretty cool for these kinds of flash news teasers. :)
- Dave "Freedom 35"
James: FriendFeed's real time search engine has a lot of cool features that never were explored. I really hope that's what they are going to do for Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
The problem is that most people that use the internet are still just getting on facebook, I am 25 and I only have a handful of people friends my age that twitter as they don't have a community on there they can identify with - I like what you said about Facebook Public - that is definitely where I see them going with some serious live streaming intergration. Facebook will win because...
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- James Stewart
Robert: True man, since I saw this partnership happen my head has been whizzing with ideas for the implications of it. >> Most of the people in my age group watch videos that have been shared on facebook by their friends and favourite groups. Definitely some new stuff with video on it's way - keep us posted! Thanks for the replies :)
- James Stewart
Jesse: no and not Facebook either. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Either your going to be a big tease or a tattle tale either of which will get you beaten up on the playground, so stop it (:
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
Robert. You're a friend, but you've a habit of breaking news --sometimes when folks aren't ready. It's not personal, but I just know your traits. I'm going to brief you in detail on Wed. We can do a video if you'd like --I'll come to you. Hugs?
- Jeremiah Owyang
Robert - hug Jeremiah, do the video - but insist he brings that little dog with him. IT is cute :)
- Rob La Gesse
Will Robert put away his (fake) wounded pride and interview Jeremiah on Wednesday? Oh yes, he will - and now we have a deadline. Good work Robert!
- Kami Huyse
OK, can we flashmob to celebrate Jeremiah's new gig right after the interview?
- Elliott Ng
Jeremiah: here is the deal. I am not under embargo but already know the news. So I think I will call Arrington because you didn't embargo me. Oh, and I +do+ keep embargoes. I am even keeping a secret about two things you will learn in the morning.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I still struggle with my 7 year old son to not steal his siblings' thunder in matters important to them. It's not easy for him.
- Josh Haley
I know a lot of things, not even just two, but maybe not the two you are thinking of
- Jesse Stay
Kami, I saw Robert yesterday, and I asked him if I'd hurt his feelings, he said "yes". Robert and I go back, there was a time (ustream launch) where we well, didn't coordinate on news. He's truly a friend, and someone I respect as a media trailblazer --but I need to get everything coordinated. To be clear, he was on the list of folks I'd brief in detail --others just got cursory info.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Here's a long discussion on where Jeremiah Owyang will be going next. Interesting discussion developing on embargoes and 'bloggers'
- Drew B
Lets figure out where he is going. Who is in most need of Jeremiahs incredible intelligence on social media?
- Nisse
Drew, is it interesting that Robert is threatening me that I didn't tell him? Should bloggers assert themselves to get news? (it's a bit fun watching him get antsy)
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, I find the continual embargo deiscussions fascinating. I hope your trust is respected here.
- Drew B
from email
Jeremiah: my feelings were hurt because you told pretty much everyone else in the industry other than me. Here's a hint: they can't keep their mouths shut either. But I will. You will know tomorrow that I actually do know the news. But the other deal is that you're wrong. I've kept hundreds of embargoes over the past year and haven't leaked them to anyone. If you weren't a friend and...
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- Robert Scoble
So they want the publicity you can bring but want to control the timing and message. I would be inclined to not agree as well. Sounds like you are being used.
- Brian Sullivan
I hear news all the time about people who aren't necessarily friends but would generally want the news quiet - does this mean I should start leaking those details? I'm not sure the right answer to that. The problem though is often the way I hear about that information is through other friends who were trusted to keep the info private. Is it worth betraying the trust of those friends as well?
- Jesse Stay
The problem comes maybe when you are "friends" with everybody but also are trying to be a legitimate reporter at the same time. We criticize television and newspaper reporters for this all the time but tech reportage seems to get a pass.
- Brian Sullivan
Jesse, yeah your situations seem tough because if you leak, you're a jackass because someone else can't keep their mouth shut.
- Chris Heath
Brian: everyone uses me, I'm used to it, it's part of the role I play in life. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I was planning on telling you before the announcement --and the offer still stands. I'm sorry I hurt your feelings, that wasn't my intent.
- Jeremiah Owyang
nothing really andru, I say we just move along and let Robert and I handle this offline. Clearly, we need to work this out.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Talking to Scoble now, I apologized. I take back what I said above, he's not broken any embargos in a while and I take that charge back. I also briefed him, as a friend, and more. Sorry Robert, I crossed the line.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Dude, why would you do that? I knew where you were going both times, and I kept it to myself. I coulda broken it, but why violate trust.
- Jeremy Pepper
Jeremy: who you talking to? No one has violated any trust. We're all cool now anyway.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy: and when I left Microsoft someone DID violate my trust and leaked it within hours. So what? It all works out. Coordination is overrated.
- Robert Scoble
LOL Jason. But Robert is right, co-ordination can be overrated.
- Ian Betteridge
Jeremiah - your recognition and classifications/categorizations of trends and strategies is truly unique. Thank you for all you've done at Forrester. Whatever your new role is, I hope you'll continue to share your thoughts.
- A Mitchell
That is very classy. You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar, as the saying goes. No wonder you are so good and well respected at what you do. Like a lot of folks, I can't wait until Thursday to find out where you're going and what you will be doing. I'd ask Scoble but that might ruin the fun. Best wishes to you!
- Gregg Morris
Heh thanks Gregg. You gotta give credit where it's due
- Jeremiah Owyang
In Applications:Utilities, there is an app called Grab that gives the functions a UI, and allows timed captures. You can crop in any image editor.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Command-Shift-3 shortcut for taking a screen capture of your entire screen,and you may even know about Command-Shift-4, which gives you a crosshair cursor so you can choose which area of the screen you want to capture. But perhaps the coolest, most-secret hidden capture shortcut is Control-Command-Shift-3 (or 4), which, instead of creating a file on your desktop, copies the capture into your Clipboard memory, so you can paste it where you want. (I use this to paste screen captures right into Photoshop.)
- Marcelo Paiva
Jeremiah: Grab is OK, but only captures in TIFF. Have to open and save capture file in Preview if you want another format. :>(
- Larry Hawes
Marcelo: Didn't know about the direct-to-clipboard shortcuts. Thanks man!
- Larry Hawes
You can use Preview (included in MacOSX by default) to crop and resize images
- alieb
YW Larry. For the "noobs" out there, here's a list of all Mac OS Shortcuts... very handy to have a print out in front of you... (http://bit.ly/GcOIW)
- Marcelo Paiva
Jeremiah, I just saw this: "Since Blame Drew's Cancer for @jowyang leaving @forrester, it's obvious #WhatWillJowyangDoNext is cure cancer with an awesome social strategy" on "BlameDrewsCancer popup on his site. Hope all goes well and you find a wonderful new position. God bless
- Melanie Reed
Yep. Social Fresh is going on in Charlotte. Twitter likes to crash whenever social media enthusiasts are gathered together in person.
- trey pennington
This fits into Scoble's prediction that people are going back to blogs because they are tired of twitter going down, not owning their own data, etc, etc
- Andy A.
"LinkedIn Events is temporarily unavailable" so my guess is Monday afternoon code rolls for the social web world (only mildly joking)
- Jay Cuthrell
my 'bots started collecting search results again - guess she's (Twitter') back up
- Robert J Taylor
Andy A. I got a DM from our local press on Friday admonishing me to not add any comments to my RT of their news. "KING5Seattle If you retweet us, could you do it directly? Please do not add extra words thank you."
- Sherry Reynolds
It was just a mandatory govt sponsored potty break.. Too many people are addicted to twitter and getting kidney stones and we need to cut down on the growth of our health care spending.
- Sherry Reynolds
The ProcessOne XMPP gateway is still down.
- Tyson Key
A fail without the whale just seems wrong. Doesn't Twitter love us enough anymore to amuse us?
- Jennifer
LOL - yep, you can count on the ol' fail whale... dang!
- Susan Beebe
very nice to hear the news from Forrester...you keep raising the bar on us, Jeremiah!
- Zena Weist
Thank you for what you have contributed so far, I'm sure there is more to come. I look forward to watching and reading your next chapter! Good luck!
- David Cole
we don't even know what you are up to next but anxiously await the news because we know it will be good for all
- daniela barbosa
onwards and upwards. work out a gig that means you can spend more time at home, and less time washing your hands with steriliser!
- James
Good luck to you! And from a selfish point of view I hope your new gig allows for your insights to continue being published. I know I'm not the only one who's learned a lot from your writings.
- Matsis
Everyone will be waiting to hear what the next gig is and all will be following as usual. Your shoes will be hard to fill at Forrester but I know that they know they had quite a guy and will do what needs to be done. Best of Luck to a real professional social media guy!
- courtney benson
looking forward to your next move - Best of luck!
- Bill Sanders
Wishing you the best, Jeremiah! You've made a major contribution to the social media space. It will be exciting to see what you're up to next.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Best of luck Jeremiah! I hope we will continue to benefit from your insights in your next venture.
- Kaan Bingol
Pea, I think that depends on the user's Outlook settings. It is optional.
- Louis Gray
Oh if only Gmail allowed some HTMLy signatures! :(
- travispuk
GMail receives the sig just fine. Tested there and .Mac and Outlook.
- Louis Gray
So in other words, they don't "get" e-mail? :)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
If I saw an email signature like this, I'd click on all of the links just to see how active they are. Some people have all these accounts but aren't active, so what's the point? But of course this doesn't apply to you Louis. I'm just saying in general.
- Violet Mae Lim
Violet, these are active. I promise. :)
- Louis Gray
Robert has a free pass to tease or criticize anything I do. It's 100% fair game. I think Google Profiles aren't known well for folks to click through to yet. That said, Robert, bring it on. Here's the company's profile: http://www.google.com/profile...
- Louis Gray
And DGentry, yes, we can talk about Paladin soon. Promise.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I'm curious about the rationale for putting the Twitter link above the company website in the Google Profile?
- Tinfoil 2.0
LE: None. That's been fixed. :) Probably not thinking too much about it.
- Louis Gray
Logical: Twitter is the new website.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, e-mail is dead. It is also required in order to create an account on how many Web sites!?! I think I was required to link my OpenID account to an e-mail address. So much for Identitiy 2.0....
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
Louis - I like the links on the home page, but EVERY employee gets that? I can tell you that lots of storage people are going to be scared by all of the "interwebs" stuff. I <3 the Emulex guys and know they're trying to update their image, but I'd think that most of them have bigger issues that learning to explain what FriendFeed and SlideShare are when people look at them funny.
- Stuart Miniman
Stu, I think I should use the word "optional". It's optional to everyone and every e-mail. And it's fine if some conservative industries aren't ready yet. It's time to shake it up.
- Louis Gray
Is it using Wisestamp? Very nice. FYI - Wisestamp is free, works w/ Gmail, Posterous, even the links.
- Liza + = ?
The nice thing about Wisestamp is you can delete the icons in gmail, if it is going to someone who you think has no idea what Slideshare is. Otherwise, wd be a pain.
- Liza + = ?
I tend to fall into the plain text camp. my signature is as follows: " -- 505.652.2878 http://sarahvela.net @orchid8 everywhere"
- Que Sarah Sarah
All the hyperlinks scream I'm spam & it will likely be treated as such by many mail programs.
- Rick Frank
Rick, very good feedback. It will be considered.
- Louis Gray
Too much. Too busy. I'd get rid of the office line, the link to lousgray.com, and definitely the emulex logo. Anyway that's just my opinion :)
- Eric Florenzano
They get it better than I do. I have to admit, I do not recognize all of those icons as they do!
- Randy Rambo
Office and mobile phone? You need Google voice. I was able to get a cool number, (areacode) 4 Julio F
- Julio F ~ @SocialJulio
Just a simple link to a homepage should be enough, small description about what you do, and phone numbers if you're into that kind of thing.
- Peter Stuifzand
Too many links in an email signature can cause the email to be flagged as spam. you need to test it out before using it. never can be 100% certain...
- Mike Nencetti
Are those custom icons, or something pulled from the web?
- Spencer
How does that degrade? Are there alt tags? Does the text/alternative or text/plain part properly remove the HTML and still preserve the pertinent information? Accessibility is just as if not more important than having something flashy IMHO. (Disclaimer: I use a text MUA and you'll get me to accept HTML mail sometime shortly after the sun suffers hydrogen exhaustion...)
- matthew john ernisse
yes but what's it mean? More is not bettter.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Personally, it seems way too cluttered to me. I would rather just have a link to a page on the company's website that lists all of their various connections. I'm almost as jaded to those icons as I am to banner ads. If I want to know about the company I will be looking at their website first, then their blog, then whatever other services interest me, but I'll always go to their website first. If that's not impressive then it doesn't really matter what they're doing in other spaces.
- Lindsay
Looks good to me. Simple. IMO, I would (1) bump name size +2 pts (2) maybe italicize title or choose different font, so it will jump out at you, but not as much as name (3) remove "www." from website. (4) I haven't seen this in real-life to look at overall point sizes. Often people's business cards need ALL pts sizes +2 to +4. As my 72-yr old Dad always reminds me, older people can't...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Simple and To The Point!!! The Purple " B" Logo...What Brand is That???
- @CtrlFollow
I had same question - never seen it!
- Susan Beebe
@louis - how'd you create a company google profile?
- andy brudtkuhl
Andy, A Google profile is just assigned to a GMail account. So if you create a centralized GMail account, you can make a company profile. This one, for example, is emulexinc@gmail.com. More on the strategy here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
I think if they are all business related and it is for marketing- why not. There is another app nomee.com that does a card also. It is flash based so won't work on the iphone
- Kathleen Cercone
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark J Severely Inert
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
Was Friendfeed boostrapped or were their investors? How many employee (full time) are there? Was the acquisition really 500 mm? If so, let's do the math on what their take home was.
was better than bootstrapped $1m each man take home
- Thomas Power
1. Four founders, all ex-Google employees, involved in launching Google Maps, Gmail before they founded FriendFeed... 2. Currently estimated at only 12 employees, being in existence for hardly two years (Launch October 2007), with estimated 1 million users... 3. Acquisition discussion started with Facebook within two months of launch, only to be closed yesterday (10th August)... 4. Deal...
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- mackarlekar
Had a nice 2.5 hour convo with @guykawsaki. He's refreshingly honest and open about being a business man (which means he's looking for the business opportunity). He told me he doesn't get Friendfeed, writes his own books and blogs, and only uses Ghosts for tweets. He showed me how he uses objectivemarketer.com to "Blast" out tweets to alltop.
We exchange advice, I gave him some advice on what I'd like to see from Alltop (more filtering) and he gave me some career advice, which I'm certainly taking to heart.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I see how he gets himself out there, but how does he listen? It seems like you'd miss all the opportunities by not listening to what people say on the web. I'm sure he has some methods, e.g. employees as filters.
- Michelle
Thank you JO for tweeting the summary of your chat with Guy, thus role modeling a collective intelligence practice worth replicating: connecting our conversations by linking 1-on-1 chats into the tweetstream.
- George Por
Guy is really cool :) Great to hear that you both are talking /sharing (2 bright minds I respect a bunch)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Guy is cool like that (as are you, Jeremiah)
- Jesse Stay
Michelle; I think he uses a person to ghost his tweets, her name is escaping me at the moment.
- Kami@SeaWorldSA
Neenz is one of the ghosts, there a hanfdul
- Jeremiah Owyang
I stopped listening or paying attention to anything Kawasaki a while ago. He is a symbol of an era whose time has passed I think. No fresh ideas there.
- Brian Sullivan
Guy should get FF he hasn't left time to surf in his life he loves field sales too much know the feeling
- Thomas Power
It may not work or improve the sales. I would like to touch, feel, drive, enjoy before buying a car. May be a couple of test drives, before I decide.
- Wins Fern
the issue with a lot of GM cars is that they do not put a smile on your face when you drive them...therefore they are not desired and will eventually not do well on ebay. No need to change where you sell, change what you sell
- Braden Douglass
can they sell more cars online rather than in person? Proablly. But can they upsell (cheesy car salesmen tactics) as well online? Prob not. This may be a play for quantity --not quality of deals.
- Jeremiah Owyang
I wouldn't buy anything from Government Motors.
- Spencer
Sounds like something in between Saturn and fleet sales. With the transparency of eBay's broad pricing and the deep info available at places like edmunds.com, carfax, it will be a rush to the bottom first, and then an adjustment upwards for personal service and quality of experience in the whole transaction. In a few short years there may be no traditional "dealers" - merely showrooms...
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- Matt Weeks