I do. Don't get excited, though. These are the people that heard the news and wanted to try Friendfeed for the first time
- Andre P. Siregar
I thought that originally too. Quite a few seem to have established accounts - probably didn't use them before.
- Jim Connolly
Even I have Jim,and I'm not exactly a major contributor.
- Paul Downing
Paul: I think Andre's right. It's probably just a stack of noobs trying the service out.
- Jim Connolly
As for my case, these are people that found me on Twitter. I guess they then go to FF, use the Twitter import and added me
- Andre P. Siregar
I wonder how many new users we will see in the next few months? Because I am so pro friendfeed, I'm getting email and (ironically) dm's on Twitter asking me about FriendFeed and whether I think it's right for them.
- Jim Connolly
This is the advantage of joining a big company. I am seeing growth too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
But what are the long term plans for friendfeed support? The ff team is breaking up for who it reports to in the Facebook engineering section. I don't think Facebook has long term interest in building friendfeed, it wants some of the functionality moved into Facebook.
- Mark Essel
Me too, Jim. And Robert, I don't really see how this is a benefit of joining a big company when the only joining that has been done is on paper, it's not like the communities have actually been joined yet. Unless you're trying to say that FF is getting a lot of new members because of the publicity and that's what's driving everyone's subscription surges.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thankfully I must be uninteresting because no one new has subscribed to me :)
- matthew john ernisse
Robert, are you saying these are current users of Facebook that want to check Friendfeed out? I think it doesn't matter who bought Friendfeed in this case. FF is in the news, and that's what made new people join
- Andre P. Siregar
Think of it as a really really small-scale Oprah effect
- Angelo Rodrigues
Yeah. Lots of twitter people are coming, and so FB users.
- Caio Cesar
Robert: There's no one left that's not already following you, surely? :-)
- Jim Connolly
Jim: I've gotten hundreds of new followers in the past 24 hours. The news sure brought a lot of people here to check out FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I can say I've suddenly come to look at my own, dormant account since the news.
- Stephen Palkot
I'm more in here today than anywhere else, because I am interested in the opinions of the heavy users, that's all.
- ilter
Robert: The question is (as always) will they come back / stay?
- Jim Connolly
Yes, this absolutely has happened. It was about 4x normal yesterday.
- Louis Gray
Actually even I have new subscribers, I don't know why. Haven't shaved since monday.
- ilter
Yes Jim I have. Just wasn't sure what exactly was the reason for the surge but now that you mention it, does make sense .... Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
I predict that the increase in users will be the same as Twitter: a large increase, people won't "get it" and then the regular users will be the only ones again, but w/ SPAM on the rise :(
- Helene
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
What, even if I've got these hot videos where I ... Haha, not really ;-)
- Katie Dob
from iPod
I think you're already following me.
- Danny Minick
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
And you don't have to read everything we say, my God we can't keep up with your feed! But it's nice to always be assured there will be something in my Friendfeed from Scoble. And more Scoble and more Scoble!
- Keith Rowland
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Sean Scott: Click on the timeline (the '5 minutes ago' bit) :)
- 1x29
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
whateveryoucallit.com domain name is already taken :-]
- Stephane Tsacas
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
TwitterEtiquetteGuide.com is available ;-)
- Stephane Tsacas
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
No offense, but what is the utility of being "followed" by someone who already follows tens of thousands?
- Derek Pangallo
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
hi Robert u r already following me how r u?
- Gaith
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah Wittman
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
Scoble: you convinced me! (thought you just needed self-validation, sorry)
- Derek Pangallo
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
Robin: you mean like people you went to high school with and didnt' like adding you on FB
- Derek Pangallo
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
Very bold, I like it, are you going to keep the people you follow under 2000?
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Tell me the newest best way to use FriendFeed!
- Shoichi
I notice that one of the prolific thought-leadering traffic drivers I follow on twitter basically tweets everything he reads, before he reads it. This has lead to spam a few times. disappointing.
- Derek Pangallo
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
What if your already following me? Do I still need to comment here?
- CW™
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy Fuller
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- Travis Koger
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
You don't have to follow me on Twitter. I think the FriendFeed party palace is mighty fine.
- Josette Torres
from fftogo
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- James (!?)
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Missionary Broadcasting
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
pushing this thing to its limits just to see what happens? interesting.
- livefast
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- shadow
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
Hi Mr Scoble, I'm with you (but on a smaller scale) I unfollowed about 150 users on Friday, felt good! I pretty much hang out in FF now at my home page and my groups
- Lee
from iPod
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk H.
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- Travis Koger
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
I signed up, but when I try to associate my Twitter account with it, I just get "error." LOL FAIL
- Tad
from fftogo
Oh Tad, is there no service you can't break? Try again. :)
- Louis Gray
@Tad we've just tried it and it works. Please retry. Thanks!
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan, I'm trying to hook it up with my twitter account: "tad" It still doesn't work. Are you expecting more letters? I don't get a descriptive error, just the word "Error"
- Tad
from fftogo
@tad hmm.. I typed in "tad" and it connects fine, and delivers all the hashtags from your twitter(like freakyfriday, tad, android, etc.). we will look to see what exactly is happening with your case and let you know. Please hold on. Thanks.
- Ethan Gahng
Stuart - here's the quick deal. 1) An RSS reader follows feeds you have selected. 2) Twitter and FriendFeed follow people you have selected. 3) Lazyfeed follows topics you have selected. Lazyfeed beats an RSS feed reader for finding new blog sources. Lazyfeed beats Twitter and FriendFeed on finding topical information. It's a great discovery engine.
- Louis Gray
Thanks a bunch, Louis. Appreciate it.
- Matt Hooper
Louis: Tried with another PC and still not working for me. Gives me an invalid code error. I've entered it as both "#meganfox" and "meganfox".
- JR Holmes
@JR We've tried and it seems to be working fine. Please retry. Thanks!
- Ethan Gahng
how can i get anything (anything at all!) in the long, column shaped box on the left hand side of the screen? there is a wee box that says "paused", but i can't get anything else to happen there. can the boxes be moved? i don't like the "hot topics" at the top.
- kelly
Kelly, above that is a home navigation bar that says "Enter a word of your interest". Put something in there and click go. Then you can see related items and it should grow from there. Click the Add button to put one in the left bar.
- Louis Gray
kelly - there's an "add" button at the top of each topic's page. Click on it and it will move the topic into the left column. Also, the update "pauses" whenever you hover your mouse over that area. You can also hide "hot topics" by clicking on a gray tab attached just below the hot topics box.
- Ethan Gahng
Vinko - it should work. please go to www.lazyfeed.com and retry.
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan, yes some others are also able to sign up with #meganfox but for some reason I keep receiving "Invitation code is invalid.(1)"
- Vinko
PS: Ethan, I tried it with Safari 4.0.2 and Firefox 3.5
- Vinko
Vinko - it seems that you are entering #meganfox from www.lazyfeed.com/signup. This is not the page. Please go to www.lazyfeed.com
- Ethan Gahng
Ethan and Niels, thanks. I'm not sure why I went to Sign Up right away and not see the Home page as the place to enter #meganfox. Is this a UX problem? Or just me?
- Vinko
Thanks Louis! I've added a bunch of topics and I'm getting interesting results so far. The only services I've added are twitter and del.icio.us. So, where are all the related stories coming from? I'm not complaining; just curious.
- Michael Fidler
gee, and after only a few hundred ...
- Joel Bennett
Yes, all gone. Thanks for the support guys! and Thank you Louis. Those who didn't get in this time: Please follow @lazyfeed and we'll let you know when there's next release.
- Ethan Gahng
Microsoft's announcement of Bing today shows they are magnitudes of order behind Google. Google moves one step towards knowing the user much better. Microsoft just improves search of "things", not people. The future is people, people! Microsoft I'm not sure gets that yet. Either that or they're way behind.
It'd be much more interesting to use have the live "feeds" be rolled up into searches, although I'm sure this is a much more difficult problem to solve. Streams from twitter, friendfeed, facebook etc should all be readily accessible through search. I think the content that people create is still probably more important than the person themselves...
- Chris Reichow
Chris, but to access *all* the content, and have less data to index, you want the people. The people own the content. It should be indexed by the people, not the content itself. A person owns content, not the other way around.
- Jesse Stay
Interesting note: "A person owns content" I'd certainly like to think this was true, but in today's world I think ownership is significantly diminished. Plus, who said anything about having less data to index, next-gen search needs to increase the available data and timeliness of that data exponentially. It's a tough problem
- Chris Reichow
Chris, with Wave you truly have the ability to own your content. Wave is a technology and protocol anyone can install on their own server, and it's open source. That which you want to stay on your own servers stays on your own servers - you have full control and Google never sees the data. Regarding next-gen search, it's much easier to index a lot more data when you have already indexed the people that own that data vs. indexing just the data.
- Jesse Stay
from email
Both announcements are important, I think, and they're too different to be considered together. Wave isn't about search. (Based on the short videos I've seen), Bing brings *context* and order to search; something that Google's search results appear to be lacking at the moment, and something that people will respond to if Bing lives up to the promise.
- Andrew Terry
Jeremy Toeman said he was getting more ROI out of IM and a variety of other social networking services than friendfeed. Here's his post: http://friendfeed.com/bigtoe...
- Robert Scoble
So, where's the ROI? Well, for one, IM has high interactivity, but low reusability. Same with Twitter. What do I mean by that? Can you bundle up a conversation easily and share it with someone else? Here you can. Just click the "Share" feature.
- Robert Scoble
Compared with Twitter, Jeremy says that friendfeed has less ROI. OK, that's fair. Twitter is easier to comprehend for a lot of people. It's very simple. But, Twitter's search absolutely sucks right now, so the chances that someone will find your great Tweet is almost nil. Here's an exercise: find the original Tweet from the guy who shot the airplane crash in the Hudson. I can find it very quickly here on friendfeed's search. You can't find it right now on Twitter's search.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Do you think FF is better than RSS?
- Jason Hansen
Jason: RSS +is+ friendfeed. Most of the services I'm bringing in here are via RSS.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy says that he's getting less ROI here. What he's really demonstrating is an entitlement attitude that I've seen from others lately "why aren't my items getting comments or likes." I heard the same thing from bloggers who never got comments. There's a trick to getting those, though, if that's your goal: you've gotta be conversational and participatory. People naturally engage with...
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- Robert Scoble
This is the exact same argument that Mike Arrington gave me back in December (plus he had the added problem that his business model requires him to get page views so that he can get paid for his advertising on his blog). Me? I don't care about the business model and I don't really care if I get comments on my items. You might thing I care, but I really don't. The thing is I always am involved in the conversation where it happens.
- Robert Scoble
That's why I do my like feed: http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- I search out the best conversations and I show them to my readers. Then I comment on them. If you never ever come to my feed I really don't care, but I will come to yours.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's true. I do like the conversations/comment feature within FF. I just wish I could get more of the people I know to use this. I hate all the applications/clutter within Facebook anymore & I was always against using MySpace/Facebook until several months ago. I'll never get a MySpace account, but went with Facebook. Twitter, I really use that to stay in touch with the local scene here within NW Ohio. I follow a few people outside of NW Ohio, but not too many.
- Jason Hansen
If you have an entitlement attitude of "they must come to me" you won't do well in this world. Plus, this world is moving from a people-centric business (where guys like Jeremy used to rule, because he's an awesome networker) to one where we search for topics. Actually, thanks to friendfeed you'll see a hybrid approach where guys like Jeremy get seen more often in some topics, but less...
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- Robert Scoble
Jason: if you study the behaviors of 1000 people most won't ever get into using friendfeed. It's too much and they don't know enough of the people here to feel engaged. I think that's part of what Jeremy is saying too: he doesn't know or like a lot of the people he's seeing in friendfeed so he doesn't see the ROI. Remember what Jeremy does for a living: he launches companies and he does...
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- Robert Scoble
The more & more I use FF... I'm starting to like it. I think it's a lot better than Twitter when it comes to "networking". How do you manage these crowds though?
- Jason Hansen
Jason: I've grown up as friendfeed has gotten an audience so I built in coping mechanisms. First I have a "small and intimate" experience like what a newbie has. I've kept one list to fewer than 150 people that I'm following and that's very high signal and very low noise. Then I'm adding a LOT more saved searches on various topics I care about. But that DOES take time to do and if you don't and you are putting all sorts of new people into one folder you're probably getting overwhelmed.
- Robert Scoble
My biggest problem with FF vs. other services such as Twitter is that the FF mobile experience is pretty much non-existent. I know Robert has stated he is happy with the iPhone mobile web experience for FF. But I: 1) use and prefer a BlackBerry over the iPhone, and 2) don't much care for the iPhone FF experience even when I look at it on my iPod Touch. Lack of a suitable mobile...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
See that's the key, Scobleizer, when you are really doing what you love, which you are, you naturally become an expert in your field and naturally attract followers who need or want information about your field. And plus you are happy and not stressed and in a bad mood. And if everyone did what they loved, contrary to what we are taught, to go after the money first, the World's...
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- Stephen Pickering
The other thing that I believe is hurting FriendFeed at the moment is something that similarly hurt Jaiku: people use it as a dumping ground. They create an account, point it at all their various feed sources (of which the primary content source is usually Twitter) and then never log in again. So when FF imports their Twitter stream, if you are actually using FF and reply to them here,...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
(And yes, I know you can configure FF to spam Twitter with followbacks to FF, but I refuse to do that.)
- Christopher A. Wichura
I agree with Christopher A. Wichura - the past 2 weeks have been painful on FF - with too much dumping and too much negativity.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Nice job, Robert. It's easy to look at somebody's feed, see few likes and comments and feel like there's "no activity", but it is a two-way street. This is the very best place to find information and get connected to people. The fact that it has incredible uptime and a deep search database to boot is great as well.
- Louis Gray
I've experienced a little bit of what Jeremy has been talking about... With friend's list set up the way they are, I'm not sure if my posts aren't getting eyeballs cause I'm not in the top lists of most users or because they just scroll by so quickly... or if my posts are getting eye balls and people aren't choosing to engage because the posts are boring... I will say that one thing I...
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- Frankie Warren
OK I'm lost from the get go what's ROI stand for please? But the tone is obiosuly of another FFing hata!
- sofarsoShawn
Muchos Dios ~ now I feel "in the loop." As a genuine Frog otherwise known as a Frenchie un Roi is defined in Engish as a king.
- sofarsoShawn
if I look at a feed which has little else other than "from Twitter" then I just move on.
- John Hardy
Robert, little problem with what you've said. If anyone here dares to claim I don't participate in the conversations of others around here, I will be forced to deliver an electron SMACK! People can engage with others and yet not get much back. With that said, I'm not saying that Jeremy is in the same situation.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
btw, Robert, it's not an "entitlement attitude" when I made the straight-up disclaimer that what I don't like is the fact that if I don't invest a *LOT* of energy (i said "crazy energy"), I get *NO* likes/comments. it's frustrating and time-consuming, and I think MiniMage's last comment is a perfect summary of it.
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Mike Arrington doesn't come here very often but his items get TONS of likes/comments. Why is that? Oh, the same thing happens on his blog too (he gets many more comments on each of his items than you do on your blog. He also gets more retweets).
- Robert Scoble
According to FFHolic, I'm the 1379th most active user and the 28454th most followed user. But that's ok, because I'm not a great conversation starter even IRL. I enjoy interacting through comments, and once in a while some people read and like my stuff. I do think that FF and Twitter are, for most people, just another way to consume content from those who, like Robert, are great at...
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- invariant - farewell FF
Robert, Mike gets attention on here because he is known elsewhere. Here would be a great test. Someone dump the same items into FF under a different name and I bet the number of likes and comments would dramatically decrease.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
LPH: well, that would be true. But I engage on things of people I know personally a lot more than I would on things of people I don't know at all.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I'm the opposite - I tend to engage with the unknown more on the internet than IRL.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Robert: How do you get to know those people personally? I suspect it's because you've been a big enough force in the world that people will pay you fly everywhere and meet those people. Josie Schmo, on the other hand, is simply going to have to be an unknown who doesn't know the known. This is not a sob story; Josie can make her way, eventually, right?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@MiniMage .. with three times the amount of work and a bit of luck Josie might make her way :)
- Steven Hodson
Shhh! I'm trying to have a good attitude so I can get my mind back in the game! ;) That nasty, yelling vlogger guy said Scoble works harder than everyone, and I'm not saying he's wrong.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I could never have gotten into this conversation on Twitter, simply cause it doesn't do multi-person threading. From that aspect alone, FF is meaningful, if you have time. However, Twitter does trump it today simply cause the 40% of the folks who don't drop out are tweeting about everything under the sun, making the stream 'real time'.
- Abhimanyu Chirimar
This is a good conversation. Reading it on my iPhone over breakfast is so much better than the boring old Sunday NY Times. Plus it's cheaper.
- Thomas Hawk
If you approach FriendFeed with the Pavlovian idea that you should get Likes and Comments for your contribution then you're going to be disappointed. FriendFeed is not Twitter. FriendFeed is not High School. Popularity doesn't mean much. Or it shouldn't if you're doing it right. In fact, it's *not* a social platform - not really. Use FriendFeed to help you make meaning of all the data...
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- AJ Kohn
I'm starting to look at FF as more of a learning tool. Like a student, I'm here to watch and learn - although it feels stalkerish to follow people around asking questions, reading their conversations, trying out the apps they are trying out, etc.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Robert: if you ate interested in a topically organized social media aggregator, gethighnote.com strives to do that. Disclosure: I am an advisor. Would love input/feedback.
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Robert, what are your thoughts on the theory that new design has changed the level of engagement for some. I think there is some truth to this. While I've heard that the number of comments and likes have gone up (I think I heard someone from FF say that - maybe on Gillmor Gang?), I get the feeling that a smaller number of popular threads (like Jeremy's yesterday) get the action while...
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- Mike Doeff
@Thomas true, but the "boring old Sunday NY Times" helps make us all more informed about topics we might not come across when we pick & choose our content streams (like this one, which might be interesting and entertaining, but certainly not informing)... but i digress. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Actually Wolfram is smart enough to know the actual word 'twitter' shouldn't be capitalized - ergo no result.
- CannonGod
Try: How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? ;)
- CannonGod
Trying out pi. It lets you request more and more digits for pi. I'm filling my page with pi.
- Hutch Carpenter
pi for everyone! And: It's all interesting right now, but to my understanding Wolfram doesn't have the full dataset online with the production test systems yet, and so not all answers that are to be expected are there yet.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I think the average person feels the need to think that other people actually care whether they exist or not... some feel this need more than others... it isn't "I think, therefore I am", it is "you read my tweet, you know I am"
- Paula W
yep, that's what my dog says every time I take him for his walk and he's reading his p-mail. lol
- Laura Zickus
Many people are caught in the broadcast paradigm. If you have something worth broadcasting about makes sense. The problem is that most broadcasters have nothing worth paying attention to.
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian - i think that you also have to hit on something that is worth talking about. Maybe 1 in 100 posts I make gets a like/comment. Lets me know what is important right now. Keeps things interesting though, the FF environment is very dynamic, how do you know to post something that will catch people's attention?
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
When I post something, it's because I find it interesting. If no one else does, so be it. I'm not here for the mainstream. I'm here to find the things I didn't know even existed.
- CAJ, somewhere else
I've noticed lots of people sign up, hookup their Twitter account, then never come back. So comments just run off without them.
- William Kapes
Yes, I agree conversation if the best part of FF
- Asankhaya Sharma
Still : if comments were better formatted, friendfeed-based conversation would definitely rock. For now, we'll have to make our comments short enough to keep them readable.
- Zackatoustra
So how do I get comments out of FriendFeed? There doesn't appear to be an RSS feed for FF items. If there is not way to get them out I'm not interested in dumping more content into yet another walled garden.
- Joseph Scott
Joseph Scott: you want only comments rss? not sure about that, but there is a feed for your posts which includes your comments.
- Thom Allen
I see people do this all the time. I subscribe to them here because I don't follow many on Twitter. I'll "Like" something or comment and they won't respond because they'll never see it -- and meanwhile some probably are offended that I'm not Twitter-following em. Well um, I SEE YOU HERE JUST FINE. How about you participate on FF also?! That is all. End ramble.
- Tamar Weinberg
Joseph, click the e-mail/im link in the upper-right of your my discussions page. You can have it go to IM/E-mail, and I think RSS. If not, each page on FriendFeed has its own RSS feed. That will give you the posts as well as the comments, but not sure there's a way around that. I just send all the posts I comment on or that I post to my e-mail.
- Jesse Stay
I should add that you can't do that with Twitter, and chances are your friends that are active on Twitter are also on FriendFeed now.
- Jesse Stay
I don't understand why someone would not interact over here - if someone wants to do that, they can just stay on twitter where people don't generally interact ... I'm glad if anyone even "likes" anything I have over here...
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Thom Allen, riddle me this: if you want to banter, then why the empty FF profile?
- Karma Martell
+1 Karma! Thom, you're only asking for abuse when ask these kinds of meta-questions ;)
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
I am liking this in part, for the typo "FriedFeed". LOL!
- nakachi
Steve: you're actually slamming me? for what? I noticed a lot of people I follow on Twitter also dump many of their feeds here, but never respond to comments made. I was merely pointing out they are missing out on continued conversation. This wasn't an attention grabber for me. Sorry you have to feel like this.
- Thom Allen
Karma: oh you've got to do better than that. not a +1
- Thom Allen
FWIW, Thom, I have all my Twitter people (the ones who only feed in stuff from Twitter) in their own group, so I have to actively choose to see the Twitter only stream. The FF heavy people tend to be more active commenters and that is the feed I pay the most attention to.
- Martha
d'oh, that reminds me, I forgot to login to twitter today again...
- Don Bonaddio
Connecting the message on Twitter, discussion and conversation better on Friendfeed
- Rudy De Waele
True. I like Friendfeed better, but more people use twitter at the present time.
- Brian Harrison
I like them both and use them when necessary.
- Jacque
I'm new to friendfeed, why do you say ff is more useful than twitter?
- tekhelet
Because of lists, alerts, threaded discussions, etc.
- Steve Rubel
from IM
Yeah Steve, I'm with you, This FF (yesterday), allowed me to receive your's about Amazon Kindle for Blogs, and get signed up ASAP, Thanks Much, Herm
- Trey Morgan
I have perceived in recent weeks that Twitter is losing juice -- less RTing, fewer comments, etc. However, Twitter-supporting third-party apps are still very compelling.
- Mike Elgan
But it is not threaded discussions, it is a single set of replies to a post.
- Paul Kinlan
@SteveRubel I do like the lists and alerts though
- Paul Kinlan
As in Ray Kurzweil, it's speeding up and getting quicker and we are the frog in the pot. So, we're holding on and being at the effect and causing the effect. What does he say happens next - we start to reverse our brain activity. I do think it is pretty amazing we are watching it grow at the speed is increasing rapidly. I said this before -- about twitter, ashton's driving the boat and Oprah is on the water skis/know that reference..
- carolynn kutz
Yes and no. Yes for my main twitter account and no for any other accounts. They are for other blogs and not related with the FF content.
- Bibi
Agree with you. Not sure I need to import the Facebook stuff in there... seems like everything is imploding into itself these days
- Janet Barker-Evans
And, no, I am not talking about friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
"My favorite underhyped company is GupShup, which stands for "chit chat" in India. They got to 20 million users in two years. Twitter took more time to reach that many users" ?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
GupShup has revenues too. 20 million people in India are getting a cell phone every month which shows why they are able to grow so fast.
- Robert Scoble
Was GupShup the service you were talking about?
- Frankie Warren
Zousa.com has something like 34 Million Users.
- Brandon Wirtz
You could probably start a Spanish twitter tomorrow and from a growth rate destroy the competition.
- Brandon Wirtz
Is there revenue a cut of the SMS or do they sell virtual goods?
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Any Second Language clone will reach market saturation faster than the original.
- Brandon Wirtz
It's either GupShup, or that one for kids that is so huge...?
- Elizabeth Good
(The realtime aspect of friendfeed is really interesting)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
FriendFeed looks alot nicer than the last time I was here.
- Paul Holmes
GupShup Spams SMS users with ads as a revenue model
- Brandon Wirtz
Most US Users would quit if Twitter used that model
- Brandon Wirtz
I bet boardgamegeek.com is growing fast from a relative perspective. It is the definitive source of information for the boardgame hobby community.
- Peter Kelley
Trust me, even Indians havent heared of it much, including me. Came to know it from Robert's post only.
- Roshan Ramachandran
BoardgameGeek.com hasn't grown in 6 months, it gets 80% of its traffic from Ad clicks, and only does about 10k uniques a day
- Brandon Wirtz
Okay Robert, we want to know...it's bedtime here in CA (you should know!) ;-)
- Elizabeth Good
he answered the question already Elizabeth. Look up.
- geoff hines
Facebook. No other service is growing faster.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Interesting that only 2 of the comments appear to be from women Amey and Elizabeth). Guess we actually just talk to one another in person and don't need artificial tools to connect?
- sherry reynolds
Garin~ I think people have heard of Facebook...if not where have they been the past year or two..
- James Armfield
Garin: I don't think Facebook got to 20 million users in less than two years. In fact, I'm pretty sure that they didn't.
- Robert Scoble
have heard good things about gupshup's scaling and relative lack of fail-whales
- Mike Chelen
SmsGupShup.com could hit 20 million users with SMS because there are 400 million cell phone subscribers in India, versus only 38 million people there with access to a computer (not to be confused with computer owners). These statistics are from a statement Vickrum Crishna made in an interview on Dawn TV last week. However, because GupShup use depends on email access, I’m skeptical of their figure of 20 million users now. Burners = dupes. Unrelated: what are Ning's numbers globally?
- A Mitchell
I've been using Tumblr for a reasonable amount of time already.
- Richard A.
Personally I'm debating whether to keep my Tumblr account or dumping it. Wordpress is my blogging plateform and I'm very happy with it. Otherwise I Tweet and am on FriendFeed+FB. Tumblr does not bring added value and I despise redundancy.
- lelapin
I get it now. Finally configured Tumblr-4-Twitter. Suddenly finding the twitter timeline in dashboard view is surprising (at first) and makes a lot of sense. BUT, Twitter viewing is changing drastically. Tweetdeck is a game changer, it gives much more granularity to the timeline (though it does take too much screen real-estate and Tumblr/Twitter integration needs some filters. Too much noise will dilute the Tumblr dashboard and content stream.
- Brad Kligerman
Wait...I call you at that number and I can get PR for the little contest I am launching on Feb 1st for my little niche social news site? Sounds too good to be true for a working class stiff like me, but I might give it a try.
- MarkCarras
You are always so down on PR people. I've tried to counter this with fairness and balanced commentary, but it seems to fall on deaf ears. Trying to stay positive here - in DC for inaugural and staying happy. :)
- Rachel Polish
Rachel, if you got spammed via every channel like he does, you'd probably hate "social media marketers" too.
- Mr. Gunn
It's worse than that Mr. Gunn. I've asked PR people for several stories lately and I keep hearing "no." So, they spam me, send me stories I don't want, and the ones I do want they keep saying "no" to. So, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to feel kind and good thoughts about them. By the way, the best PR people aren't PR people in my head. They are people who tell me cool stuff on Twitter and friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Any chance for PR for people outside of the valley?
- James Ostheimer
James: I'll be in Davos, Switzerland next week. So, yes. Vancouver and Seatte in February. Austin and San Antonio in March.
- Robert Scoble
James: and I'm working on a Skype video setup so that I can crank out video calls with entrepreneurs around the world. Soon on that.
- Robert Scoble
Sweet, I almost hear a dr evil laugh through your comment...
- James Ostheimer
Vancouver? February? Interesting...though Skype makes it easy to be in touch anywhere.
- WorldofHiglet
WorldofHiglet: yeah, I'll be at the Northern Voice conference.
- Robert Scoble
Anthony... try emailing to a non-gmail account that you have access to. Doesn't work for me, but incoming email still does via POP
- Jim McCusker
I just came in my office, looks like my open session is still working as well as my mobile session. EDIT: won't let me send e-mails. bah.
- Aaron Myers
@Louis Gray Or FF and Twitter (when it's up).
- Nate Pilling
from twhirl
just got this. google word's it as if it's my fault that my account is "experiencing errors." afraid to say that systemwide errors are occuring?
- Andy Sternberg
from twhirl
Just tried logging in secure. Not working.
- Roberto Bonini
HTML mode is apparently working. Add "?ui=html" to get to it.
- Ambar Pansari
I tried to set up Gmail IMAP in Outlook today, so this could be my fault... it was pretty wonky when I did it, but overall was a huge fail. Thunderbird also fails with IMAP. Sigh. I blame Google overall - the IMAP reliability factor is garbage.
- Vince DeGeorge
Tom: it's great! here's a video to demonstrate it: http://bit.ly/7hciT. You can't copy & paste out of the application but still it's cool.
- Nir Ben Yona
but only inside magicpad, right? Or did I read the reviews wrong this week...
- Robyn Miller
from NoiseRiver
Honestly... I just don't understand why I'd buy this. Even at its low price. For copy / paste? Please.
- l0ckergn0me
Copy paste only works inside this app though. It's good progress, but not worth $3.99 in my opinion.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
You can only copy past within MagicPad -- and to email the text you create you must use their mail client which has an (ARRGG) Captcha that you need to type each and every time you email out your cut/copy/pasted text. Yuk!
- Wayne Schulz
ARGH. didn't realize it's only for copy/paste within the app.
- Emily Chang
The CAPTCHA is because to email OUT formatted text (MagicPad lets you change color, font and some styles) you MUST use the MagicPad mail client. So the CAPTCHA is to avoid automated spam on the iPhone? It's all very awkward. Save your $3.99.
- Wayne Schulz
That's stupid, but the formatting bar is nice. I don't see why Apple doesn't just do that already and tell the MagicPad people sorry about their app, it'll be turned into iPhone 2.1 :)
- Mark
Seriously considering building one of these, but I suspect I should add some kind of guards behind the blades. I'm a little clumsy to ride that as-is.
- ha3rvey (wants confit)
I think that's a great idea. It doesn't look like it would be very difficult to build.
- Corie
Looks like it has a functioning brake and derailleur as well - no reverse though -- maybe a big negative
- Brian Sullivan
On further examination -- no cable to the derailleur
- Brian Sullivan
love it! i'd totally take it on some sweet jumps
- Benton
I'm pretty sure I could get the same results by putting my foot in the garbage disposal whilst balancing a sledgehammer on my chin. I gotta get one of those!
- XDpaul
I totally want one! Be green *and* exercise, what's not to like!
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Nice find Corie! I was on vacation from FriendFeed when this came out...
- Mitchell Tsai
I think we need to focus on a different kind of quality in regards to music... why would I want listen to crap even if they released it in flac?
- William Sulzer
Michael - Respectfully, pretty much the opposite of everything you said is true. Our listening experience has been degraded at multiple points (mp3 quality, headphone crap factor, single songs vs longer sequences of songs, etc) even as it has been freed by digital distribution (a good thing). Even though many people can't hear it, they are often missing 80 % or more of the richness of good recordings.
- Dean Terry
"Even though many people can't hear it..." Wouldn't that mean they aren't missing it? ..... "I wouldn't exactly say I've been missing work, Bob...."
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
If we had HD Digital Music then MP3's could be FREE
- paul mooney
Mark, no it just means they can't distinguish all that well, or tell you what is missing necessarily. Same goes for design, color, architecture, film, lots of things. The experience is richer when you provide the full version, even if there are varying abilities to articulate or consciously perceive it all.
- Dean Terry
Maybe I'm playing semantics here, Dean, but if they're not hearing the difference and they enjoy the music the way they want it, by definition they aren't missing it. They may be missing out, in your opinion, but they definitely aren't missing it.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
I saw Neil Young talk about this on Charlie Rose a few nights ago. His interview there was incredibly inspiring. I so wish I'd seen him at the Ritz, as I understand he walked by shortly before I got there, but I'm really glad he spoke at the conference. I hope some execs were listening and will get on board.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
heh, i wonder, they must know they can just sell everyone the same music twice, next in HD, not to be pessimistic, but its a thought.
- David Lynch
hey Mark yes that is semantics, I am talking experience. If we expanded this to other areas then we should not worry about HD vs SD, or professionally designed sites vs amateur, wal mart design vs good architecture, Apple iPhone all the other crap. These things DO make a difference in our experience of the world, whether we are able to articulate how or not.
- Dean Terry
The difference is that how a site is designed or how a device is designed affects its marketability. Music in a higher quality that most people can't even detect doesn't.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
you ask the 500 people standing in line in hot sun if this is anything less than a disaster.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I think this what is known as a self inflicted wound. Hard to have any sympathy
- Brian Sullivan
Definitely self-inflicted. All over the place, people are having problems. Apple has a mess on their hands today.
- Candace
While I think this situation might have been avoidable, I would hardly call it a disaster. I would reserve that word for Iraq, hurricane Katrina, etc.
- Otto R. Radke
I'll ask them right after I ask the folks who were at the Superdome if its the same. They are standing in line FOR A PHONE. A PHONE. A P-H-O-N-E.
- Eric @ CSTechcast.com
I look at it as a tech disaster, but also a PR nightmare...
- Nathan Finley
Just further proof of the bubble that Robert and others in the Valley live in...
- Harish V
I think I can hear Jobs screaming somthing. Can't make out what it is....
- Roberto Bonini
That sound you hear is somebody getting fired...
- Nathan Finley
I'm not sure that the slowdowns today qualify as either PR nightmares or disasters. For example, I think the price drop of iPhone 1.0 was a bigger PR problem than the signups being slow. Some things just end up taking time, particularly when they are new and there is a high demand for them. I wonder if some of the language here is influenced by tech myopia. In other words, I wonder if...
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- John
from twhirl
Hardly a disaster, but I like how Robert quickly corrected his son about who's to blame for the issue. Just funny how Apple fans quickly defend. It's okay to complain to Apple. :-)
- Jim McCusker
@Nathan that sound you hear is $ streaming into Apple's bank account!
- Jim McCusker
is that a 16gb? did your son pay for the phone himself?
- Allen Stern
To quote The Who, "this is no social crisis, just another tricky day..."
- Robert Seidman
i think this whole thing is obnoxious and sheep-like standing in line for a bloody phone, there are so many more devices out there with much more features and better functionality, but noooo, just because it's an EYE phone... sometimes I fear I do not understand my fellow human beings at all! Iran threatening to bomb everything in sight, China violating Tibetan rights, starving AIDS orphans in Africa, Katrina, 911, Columbine, Virginia Tech, THOSE ARE DISASTERS! Priorities people, come on... FFS!
- Mario Olckers
mario cmon - you should also know apparently robert didn't even wait in line with his son - they cut the line - what does that say?
- Allen Stern
Yeah the instore activation was a bad bad idea..
- Shawn
All I get out of this post is that Robert was able to spend time with his son. That's a good thing.
- Eric Thompson
All the non-US customers that are not reviewers/bloggers, what the F are you thinking? I love tech galore but please, This is radical fanboyism I want no part off. GPS, 3G and yes The iphone have existed prior to July 11th.
- Tate DA FF MVP
+1 Shawn. That was one of the game changing things about the iPhone originally: you spent 5 minutes in the store buying it, you took it home, plugged it into iTunes *at your leisure*, spent another 5 minutes activating it. Done. Flipped a big middle finger to every other phone requiring in-store paperwork. Only now they take it away? whiskey tango foxtrot. So glad I wasn't in line this year. (hugs iPhone from last year)
- Karim
a disaster to a very specific subset of people... walking around NYC today I didn't notice many shrieks of terror or people crying in the streets
- Nathan Manley
from Alert Thingy
I'm feeling pretty smug about my decision to wait a week before upgrading.
- Kevin D. White
I was in the store for 9 hrs today. Fido here in Canada was hit hard and their servers were not working to even activate the phone. By the time I left iTunes was still not unbricking the phones, that was at 3:40pm EST. My phone is still not unbricked.
- Ryan
Hurricanes Andrew and Katrina, Indian Ocean Earthquake were disasters. This was just a magnificent f*ck-up.
- Michael Markman
I had a really great experience waiting, receiving and activating my new iPhone today.
- Jordan
lol about techmeme... yes but this would still fall under my "very specific subset of people" also reports are coming in that the activation servers are back up, so like any good disaster 2.0 it is getting fixed pretty quickly :)
- Nathan Manley
from Alert Thingy
although keeping technology addicts in the sun (or outside at all) could be disaster... we melt easily
- Nathan Manley
from Alert Thingy
I can't really understand all the hype regarding new mobile phones, IMHO they are nowadays more or less commodities and technical innovation is rather limited.
- Arnd Gronenberg
Didn't Apple say there would be no shortage of phones? I don't know why everyone had to be there today, I'll wait till Monday and probably be setup in less than an hour. (Said with fingers crossed.)
- Bob Gannon
I was there at the Apple store in downtown SF at 6am, for my first iPhone, finally walking out of the store at 12:30 after some activation trouble. Took a lot longer than expected but you could tell this one was out of the hands of the store employees, who I felt did a very good job considering the circumstances. I chalk this one up to the idiots at AT&T who demanded in store activation.
- David Nichols
Odd that its not breaking on TV. Lots of coverage of Tim Russerts passing at the moment. Fox News had a two second blurb about the earthquake. Thats where I first heard it.
- Greg
from twhirl
The Epicenter was in Iwate-Ken. 6 on the ground there which is strong. Felt quite strongly here in Yokosuka, south of Tokyo but nothing too out of the ordinary. The TV stations have, as usual, broken regular coverage to give updates about perceived magnitude in the surrounding areas and pictures from cameras around the area. No damage or injuries are reported yet.
- Stuart Woodward
2 minutes after you posted "seeing a ton of Tweets about earthquake in Japan", Twitter died!
- Brian Henderson
Brian: ahh, that explains why fewer messages are coming through IM right now. It still seems somewhat up.
- Robert Scoble
Japanese TV is talking to people at the local government office near the epicenter and there are no reports of any injuries though a water pipe has broken.. several aftershocks have been felt. TV is showing live pictures from a helicopter and it is a very rural area, no signs of damage at all.
- Stuart Woodward
There more earthquakes in Japan than days of a week. Unless it is big like Kobe, do not report it.
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
The TV coverage is now showing a few rural roads blocked by landslides. A few Isolated injuries are reported, traffic accidents, broken legs due to falls, people cut by glass. etc.
- Stuart Woodward
It is fascinating to see the internet micro-blogger at work. Faster than a speeding bulletin.
- Mindy Koch