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Steve Gillmor
NewsGang Live test: requires Silverlight and FriendFeed http://beta.newsgang.net/...
Seems interesting but what am I entering my FF credentials into Steve? Not going to enter them into something I have heard nothing about.. - Bill Heslin
So is this an extension of Gillmor Gang, some new newsy thing that fits in there? I'll beta test..just want some more info? - Bill Heslin
bill, it's the remote key not your password... read up here https://friendfeed.com/account... - Chris Heath
thanks Chris ..will do - Bill Heslin
Oh yes Chris I understand the remote key...but just wondering what it's all about. That's all. - Bill Heslin
we're testing a vanilla onboard, Bill. I can explain more once you're in. - Steve Gillmor
I'm in - Bill Heslin
Wow...very cool... - Bill Heslin
Ok, I am partway there - Christian Burns
also, steve... the css isn't fluid and looks like this to me (chrome 3 on windows xp) http://img39.imageshack.us/img39... - also i think the silverlight was bogging down my old P4 system - Chris Heath
Mine looks like Chris' in Chrome on Vista, but I haven't been able to load the newest Silverlight in Chrome (unless it carried over from my install of it in IE8 last night). - Robert G. Male
Firefox is probably a better bet on Vista. - Cliff Gerrish
I have double sidebars when I view it from beta.newsgang.net - Karoli
Karoli...take off the beer goggles...LOL...Hiya! - Bill Heslin
Yeah, usually NGL itself isn't the focus of NGL. You get a little video feedback when that happens. - Cliff Gerrish
Silverlight doesn't work on Safari running on Windows = Fail! - Michael Pinto
Yes, it does. I tested that earlier today. - Cliff Gerrish
Requirements: Silverlight, FriendFeed, $5 pay-per-view next? - James Robertson
Silverlight and Flash will never run as well as HTML5 on constrained mobile devices. If they run as stand-alone apps then they will have to compete with the functionality of browsers. If they run within browsers they suck up additional memory and processor cycles and play poorly. Developers are not going to invest in optimizing their Flash/Silverlight apps to run on both the desktop and on mobile devices with a variety of screen resolutions, etc. Give up on this fantasy Steve. - scott anderson
Adam Bosworth told me a long time ago that Moore's Law trumps these issues, as it did with RSS's supposed verbosity and everything else XMLish since. Hybrid browser/rich apps will continue to win while moving the market closer to so called HTML 5ish standards. I'd give up on the rhetoric Scott if I were you. - Steve Gillmor
HTML 5, Silverlight, Flash, Pen and Paper. No one cares if something is good and useful. They'll dowload the plugin or fill the inkwells if that's what they need to do. - Matt Terenzio
exactly, Matt - Steve Gillmor
in the past (it seems to me) enterprise seems to drive software while hardware has been driven by gamers/gaming ... 1) what do you think about that? 2) what about going forward? 3) and what about mobile, will it drive anything - or is it creating a class of it's own? (app store markets?) - Chris Heath
You can call it rhetoric if you like but if it costs more for consumers to purchase mobile phones that run technologies like Flash and Silverlight that consume more memory, processor cycles, battery life, etc. and it costs developers more resources to build these "rich" experiences and make them compatible then it won't happen. The benefits do not outweigh the costs. - scott anderson
phones are razors and history (iPhone) shows this does in fact happen. Flash is not off the iPhone for technical reasons but economics, and Gphone is about to make that irrelevant. - Steve Gillmor
is gPhone making Flash, the iPhone, or the economics irrelevant? - Chris Heath
flash is silverlight is HTML 5 eventually. Gphone allows Flash and other plugins. Moonlight decompiling strategy closes loop to iPhone - Steve Gillmor
What are the benefits that Flash and Silverlight add to the user experience that cannot be duplicated in HTML5, especially when the nature of UI on mobile devices lends itself to simplicity? - scott anderson
if you see no benefits, then why pitch your theory. It's like the Republicans reading the bill out to slow down reality - Steve Gillmor
I pitch my theories so that they can be debunked by others. I am a mobile app developer with limited resources and want to be smart in my investments in tools and infrastructure. - scott anderson
well, then you should talk to .Net devs and see if they meet your needs. Sounds like you are happy in HTML5 land. - Steve Gillmor
Why hasn't Flash taken over web pages designed for desktop browsers and why hasn't Adobe Air been successful on the desktop? If they cannot succeed on the desktop then I have no hope for these technologies succeeding on mobile phones. I'm not talking about video players but applications written in Flash or Silverlight. I would not need .Net to simply support playing video. I am happy in GWT land and see more robust apps being possible with SVG + WebGL + Javascript along with the media tags in HTML5. - scott anderson
Just an FYI: remote keys are a poor user experience. OAuth is preferred. And when you use OAuth limits are applied to the user instead of the IP address making the call, making it easier to grow your application (assuming you call the API from your server). Read more here: http://friendfeed.com/api... - Benjamin Golub
yes benjamin we are moving to Oauth before we come out of beta. And can you fill us in on what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed. - Steve Gillmor
Scott Flash is dominant on browsers for video. Air sucks but it provides experiences SIlverlight improves on. ask Seesmic why they've ported to WIndows and then to SIlverlight. - Steve Gillmor
You're assuming that Seesmic is making intelligent development decisions by investing in Windows and Silverlight. That remains to be seen. - scott anderson
no I am assuming a rationale for assigning resources that makes sense with what I think is going on. How it impacts on individual developers has more to do with their products and the full range of technologies they support. They also produced an Android version before iPhone. Unlike you, they support both models. - Steve Gillmor
Leveraging Flash or Silverlight for simply playing videos is overkill. The video decoder royalty issues will be worked out. I can see Google donating the assets they recently got from their acquisition of On2. - scott anderson
Steve: what do you mean by "what's going on last 24 hours with Twitter feed"? We had a small hiccup with the crawl (not Twitter specific, the entire crawl) but things should be moving again. - Benjamin Golub
ben the twitter feed resumed about an hour ago and has been adding items from both yesterday and up to an hour ago. It was dead as a doornail last night. And I assume the firehose issues remain unresolved by the delta between timestamps even now - Steve Gillmor
scott: we'll see. meantime there are plenty of reasons why SIlverlight is a big deal, and worth some people's time. - Steve Gillmor
I am developing an application framework for Android that leverages web panes within native apps. I use native infrastructure where it makes sense and web standards for the content related pieces. - scott anderson
yeah I get it, but this is a back and forth without meaningful progress. let's move on - Steve Gillmor
Silverlight and Flash do have one potentially critical advantage over HTML5 ... DRM. In my opinion publishers should have a mechanism to protect their content from piracy. If Jobs succeeds in blocking both Flash and Silverlight runtimes from the iPhone, it will be interesting to see what kind of DRM solution Apple establishes with their new video streaming technology and how tightly... more... - scott anderson
Jeremy Zawodny
Geeks drive girls out of computer science - http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id...
It's difficult for me to understand how "research" was needed to figure this out. - Jeremy Zawodny
Women's brains are different, instead of seeing women as an equal, geeks most likely see them as a lead weight. I don't see that changing any time soon. - James Robertson
James, women's brains aren't *that* different, in terms of ability: http://friendfeed.com/opensou... - Michael R. Bernstein
Dennis Howlett
Can I steal someone's Mifi? Gotta be better than wifi
+1 There isn't wifi love anymore. Don't hold your breath for Mifi being a saviour .Weh lve? - James Robertson
Tim O'Reilly
How huge JavaScript libraries, rich content, and poorly designed ad servers are slowing the web down http://radar.oreilly.com/2009...
At last someone is speaking out. - James Robertson
Liked and retweeted - Jorge Escobar
Simon Phipps
New Official Drink of Linux? Tactical Nuclear Penguin: http://www.brewdog.com/blog-ar...
That's irresponsible promoting that drink. - James Robertson
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle closed the car door on my thumbnail. bad idea. lots of pain and bruising :( any tricks to avoid losing the nail?
ouch ouch ouch - slammed the door on the end of my thumb. Looks nasty - worry about blood under nail making nail fall :( - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@Eastmad attention fail, more like - the nail did nothing wrong - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
@ashalynd i just hoped their might be tricks to increase the chances it stays :) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Ouch. An old carpenter trick is to drill a hole through the nail. Details here http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medline.... (but ask a doctor first) I once smashed my thumbnail with a hammer in the morning and it hurt until I smashed the same thumb again in the afternoon. - Greg Guitarbuster
I hope your thumb gets better soon. It's worth noting that over the next 2-3 months the blood spot under the nail will work it's way up to the tip of your thumb. #giveittime - James Robertson
i'm too chicken to pierce it i think. the blood spot goes from one edge of the nail 2/3 across and 1/4 height - i suspect the nail might fall at some point - bad for my manicured look :( But based on the reading it can be weeks or longer before it falls. Or I might be lucky and my nail more attached to me than most ;) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Given the amount of time, I don't think I would pierce it either. Has the pain eased? No broken bone? - Greg Guitarbuster
i dont think anything is broken, although the pain at the left base of the nail is worse this morning, from the pressure. Looks so black :( - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I have made special help-against-bruising-and-swelling tea and a concoction of herbs to wrap around my finger. Trying it all! - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Nail update: it looks significantly less black - perhaps all my random treatments helped, perhaps it is the normal way - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Robert Scoble
Hahah Alan Cooper calls Twitter "stupid" at about 34 minutes into his interview: http://channel9.msdn.com/shows... I've heard this before. :-)
I wonder if Alan Cooper would still be calling Twitter "stupid" if it had been written in Visual Basic. - James Robertson
But it is not. :) - Fikrizula
sofarsoShawn
Microsoft & News Corp Eye Web Pact - Microsoft may pay News Corp to 'de-list' its news sites from Google - http://edition.cnn.com/2009...
Microsoft & News Corp Eye Web Pact - Microsoft may pay News Corp to 'de-list' its news sites from Google
Microsoft & News Corp Eye Web Pact - Microsoft may pay News Corp to 'de-list' its news sites from Google
"Microsoft has had discussions with News Corp over a plan that would involve the media company's being paid to "de-index" its news websites from Google, setting the scene for a search engine battle that could offer a ray of light to the newspaper industry. The impetus for the discussions came from News Corp, owner of newspapers ranging from the Wall Street Journal of the US to The Sun of the UK, said a person familiar with the situation, who warned that talks were at an early stage. However, the Financial Times has learnt that Microsoft has also approached other big online publishers to persuade them to remove their sites from Google's search engine. News Corp and Microsoft, which owns the rival Bing search engine, declined to comment. One website publisher approached by Microsoft said that the plan "puts enormous value on content if search engines are prepared to pay us to index with them". Microsoft's interest is being interpreted as a direct assault on Google because it puts... more... - sofarsoShawn
News Corp == AOL #itsover - James Robertson
or how to choose the fast path to become irrelevant - Antoine Bertier
this could be the solution for the blogosphere's dilemma on how to monetize? - just list with Bing! :) - sofarsoShawn
very very weird - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
So Microsoft is willing to pay for exclusive search access to some content? Is that this what this is about? - Brian Sullivan
Brian, I think it's about two old style companies trying to do business in old style ways, while the rest of the world moves on. - Cristo
"The impetus for the discussions came from News Corp, owner of newspapers ranging from the Wall Street Journal of the US to The Sun of the UK, said a person familiar with the situation, who warned that talks were at an early stage." -- so this is just posturing likely? I can't see Microsoft paying much for this "privilege". - Brian Sullivan
I think it is more of a case that he said he'd delist his content if not paid, and MS said they might pay to keep it? Still weird - if I dont find something in a search engine but I still get relevant results, I won't even miss it - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
well said @iphigenie, I just said something similar, just from the content provider perspective, in a comment over here: http://www.businessinsider.com/microso... "Once you've been disappeared for a while, people will forget that you were ever there and move on to the next guy in line that was right behind you all along, chomping at the bit for a chance like this." - Alex Schleber
Funny how most people are paying to make their content show up in google. I hope they do it and we can see what happens. Of course if it takes off then sites that search all the search engines will spring up very quickly. - John Cooper
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
oh bummer, I had planned to go to LeWeb this year, but with a new job starting... ah well, such is life
Congratulations on starting a new job. I was beginning to think you had a full-time job with FriendFeed :-) - James Robertson
Oh no, just the last few days since I am at home doing admin :) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
although a lot of what appears in FF comes automatically via bookmarking in diigo, marking in my feedreader (both appear via delicious as the integration is better) etc. PS: I would have taken a full time job at FF/FB - they missed their chance - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Now that I am home and can put links and all again, my angel this morning was the delightful and entrepreneurial Donna http://www.fluffyautoboutique.co.uk/shop...
glad I met her, she got me on my train (drove me), obviously, but also because she runs an online (and a shop) about car customization - for gals! - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
What I noticed when I got in her car were the accessories - color leather steering wheel cover (want one!), a tax disk holder, feathers, etc. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Obviously we talked and I found out she'd started a business selling these through a website and in a shop - very cool, very gutsy - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Interesting people to meet on the train.Thanks for sharing that. - James Robertson
I met her when our car blew up this morning - no bus was coming, and nobody stopped when i tried to hitchhike. She spotted me when getting in her car, and in spite of already being late she crossed the street to come see if I needed help - and drove me to the station. We chatted and after she figured out I was an occasional entrepreneur too she told me how she'd left her job to start... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'll send her a thank you email, but thought why not share it with twitter and friendfeed - times are tough, she probably can use extra orders. Not that i am fooling myself as to the effect I can have, but hey, it was worth my time since she saved my day :D - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
i'm ashamed, i forgot about sending her the email - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
BBC NEWS | Health | Feeling grumpy 'is good for you' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
BBC NEWS | Health | Feeling grumpy 'is good for you'
"Those in a bad mood outperformed those who were jolly - they made fewer mistakes and were better communicators. Professor Forgas said: "Whereas positive mood seems to promote creativity, flexibility, co-operation and reliance on mental shortcuts, negative moods trigger more attentive, careful thinking, paying greater attention to the external world." The study also found that sad people were better at stating their case through written arguments, which Forgas said showed that a "mildly negative mood may actually promote a more concrete, accommodative and ultimately more successful communication style"." - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie) from Bookmarklet
Being grumpy certainly makes me a better proofreader. - Spidra Webster
I don't believe it! - James Robertson
I must be the highest productivity, least mistake making, best communicating person in the world, then. - SuezanneC Baskerville
I think we are talking moderate bad/serious mood. Grumpiness is not negativity, it's just beeing wary and more serious. It's nice to be able to channel both, for a lot of day to day things it is better to have a positive thankful mood, ideally also have space for outright playfulness - makes everything run smoother between people and channels creativity. But when decisions have to be... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
ahahahahahaah YES! - J. Abdul-Qahhar
Leo Laporte
Live now: Security Now 221 with Steve Gibson and guest John Graham-Cumming on why Javascript must die (http://www.jgc.org/blog...). http://live.twit.tv Discuss here....
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Tease: The problem with Javascript and security. Guest John Graham-Cumming says it's the "elephant in your browser." - Leo Laporte
Firefox closes 11 critical exploits: http://www.macnn.com/article... - Leo Laporte
Digital ants take on computer worms: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id... - Leo Laporte
They all laughed at Christopher Columbus When he said the world was round They all laughed when Edison recorded sound They all laughed at Wilbur and his brother When they said that man could fly - Mark
Yeah -- and we are all going to go back to using Lynx. - Brian Sullivan
adobe can make a PDF viewer 200MB and five thousand files on the hard drive somehow - Mark
When I use Spinrite I get an error "Division Overflow Error!" :( - Mark
Funny I was just thinking about Security Now! today imagining Steve Gibson would be having a field day with the Twitter viruses etc. - James Robertson
Audible Pick: More Information Than You Require UNABRIDGED By John Hodgman Narrated by John Hodgman, Dick Cavett, Jonathan Coulton, Zach Galifianakis, Ricky Gervais, Ira Glass, Robin Goldwasser, Rachel Maddow http://www.audible.com/adbl... - Leo Laporte
You look like you're Riverdancing Leo - Johnny Worthington
LEOS AUDIOS UP VEDIOS DOWN HI AMBER - daveccorey
351 NOW WNOW VEDIOS AND AUDIOS ON THAT MAKES NO CENTS - daveccorey
I also "hate Adobe" especially Flash, but also anybody who installs crap with no opt-outs - midnightgolfer
We should all stop driving too! We could get hit by another driver (that we have no control over) and get killed! I understand the need for caution with javascript and the like, but its not a life or death situation people, its a risk we all take while using the internet, just like driving. We could get killed in our cars at any moment, yet we all accept the risk. If you ask me, I'd... more... - Matt G.
Lol - Mark from iPhone
Tom Morris
Uxsight: 8 LED Telephone RJ11 Powered Table Reading Light Lamp : Lamps - http://www.uxsight.com/product...
This draws power from a source which the user doesn't pay for. There's even a comment about it ... - James Robertson
Amiroo ™
AccidentSketch Helps You Create Detailed Accident Reports [Driving] - http://lifehacker.com/5389941...
AccidentSketch Helps You Create Detailed Accident Reports [Driving] - http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/lifehacker/full/~3/4JDo8zys9gk/accidentsketch-helps-you-create-detailed-accident-reports
This is a fantastic idea. I wish I had this software when I had my accident because it would have helped make the experience less stressfull. - James Robertson
Peter Cooper
I know I'm nuts but I prefer pagination to "infinite scrolling" most of the time. Too easy to get lost, hard to bookmark, etc.
Infinite scrolling works very well in my experience for browsing the TED videos on YouTube. - James Robertson
Simon Willison
Anyone know why Google doesn't use the Accept-Language header instead of IP sniffing? Do studies show users misconfigure their OS language?
There is no guarantee the Accept-Language header will be present. - James Robertson
They don't just switch language based on IP but the whole catalogue. This way they can provide somewhat localized search results and filter/censor according to local laws. - Andreas Gohr
Russell Beattie
Ahh, so to get some usable data from Twitter Lists, add "/statuses.json" to the end of the list URL. No RSS or Atom though!?? Weirdness.
they don't have love for XML. - James Robertson
Simon Phipps
Horrified to learn that identi.ca users auto-cross-posting on Twitter don't see @ replies. Total brokenness.
I'm not sure about that, in my experience I've been surprised to see @replies in my twitter/replies page from people on identi.ca. However I don't see replies from Twitter users on my identi.ca page, I presume bcause they don't have an identi.ca account. - James Robertson
Tim O'Reilly
Citizens paid to monitor UK CCTV from home - mechanical turk meets the surveillance society: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... via Dave Farber's IP list
It won't succeed because 99.9% of the time there won't be anything to see. When there is something to see most people won't be watching. e.g. 3 in the morning - James Robertson
Dave Winer
Iceland may be the perfect place to locate a server farm. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...
Not sure don't server farms give off alot of heat? Which means Iceland would melt and be renamed as hotland? #spaceheaters - James Robertson
That's why it's a good place for server farms. The air conditioning is free. - Dave Winer
Jeremy Zawodny
I Don't Code in my Free Time - http://teddziuba.com/2009...
'I don't enjoy programming so much as I enjoy the satisfaction I get from cracking hard problems. In that case, computer code is a means to an end, but so is my Craftsman socket set. I like to spend free time wrenching on a car or a bike, but I don't set out on Saturday morning and say "I'm going to learn how to use a torque wrench today, because those things are the future of tools".' - Jeremy Zawodny
I don't code in my spare time because I enjoy it as a hobby, there are plenty other hobbies I would rather be doing. I do it because I believe I have to make sacrifices to get ahead. - James Robertson
Nonsense. The basic tools of mechanics are mostly static, but lots of people *have* spent a Saturday playing with OBD-2 diagnostics, which is the future (the present, even) of car repair tools. Hell, I've personally spent several hours fussing about with some fun new power tool I got, inventing small projects. Tools are fun and exploring new tools is something people like to do. - ⓞnor from Android
I agree that programming for fun should not be a requirement, but I think it's a good sign that someone might be enthusiastic about their craft and is hungry for more challenges than they're finding at work. I'd want to hear about interesting problems someone enjoyed cracking, whether on the job or elsewhere. - Seth
Peter Cooper
Just noticed it's been a whole year (and 9 days) since O'Reilly Ruby blog was updated. Guess that's another dead Ruby blog then :(
Why would they want to kill Ruby? - James Robertson
Brad Williamson
"Britain’s most popular music-streaming service could be out of business within a year unless it can make more of its users pay for music, industry experts claimed today. Senior executives said that Spotify could soon be “dead” if it continued to be available free and relied on advertising to fund the service." - Brad Williamson from Bookmarklet
Something has to give, and someone will always lose out. If Spotify finishes, then people will go back to torrenting and fileshare sites. - Charlotte M
That's the problem with the drugs business model, you can give it away free and at some point start charging but in this case you can't intimidate the users with pay up or else. - James Robertson
Robert Brook
RT @vwhiz_dot_com: http://twitpic.com/kpxdx bus looks to have swerved across traffic in to a building in #battersea
RT @vwhiz_dot_com: http://twitpic.com/kpxdx bus looks to have swerved across traffic in to a building in #battersea
that will be the second bus I've seen do something like that in the past month. Problem driver, mechanical, design, elctrical fault or something else? - James Robertson
Peter Cooper
@lukeredpath I used to be a "anyone who reads anything by the Daily Mail is a freak" kinda guy, but I gotta admit.. their /site/ is catchy!
I suspect that paper works quite closely with the Hone Office because I see quite a few articles which are aimed at ordinary people acting badly. - James Robertson
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Been told now on the phone that ruby roles are hard to recruit for (London) - any ruby devs and leaders looking for jobs?
Ruby! - James Robertson
know anyone looking? i can pass the details to them :) - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Fwd: This is one for the british lazyweb - who sells good veal in the Bradford area or through postal delivery? #ossobucco (via http://friendfeed.com/iphigen...)
this lazyweb thing is overrated - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It's about timing, you and I are ahead of most people in terms of adopting this technology. Given that microblogging was an idea I had thought about in 1996 that puts me at least 10 years ahead of most people. - James Robertson
Peter Cooper
Modern "sink estate" Britain: Woman with disabled kid being bullied by neighbors daily - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
Ideally the government should give vouchers free of charge to to Youths who have ASBOs encouraging them to book 1-way flights to Afghanistan, and in return we take some of their immigrants. If the youths don't use their voucher the government stops their families benefits. - James Robertson
Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
listening to the shuttleworth talk - sorry, but the (cultural, not active) sexism is there (it's always "the guys who" etc.). He runs businesses??? He should have caught himself.
all he needed to do was say "oops, i was thinking out loud and used the fake cliche about girls being less able i dont really believe that". It's a shame too, because a lot of the points in that talk are actually really good - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I'm glad you commented on this because once more women get involved then things can start to progress. - James Robertson
What is amazing to me is not that this happens, we live in a culture where these received beliefs are ambient we can hardly escape using the wrong expression sometimes. And if you are in tech you are surrounded by men all the time, as well. What is amazing to me is that when it happens instead of people going "that was wrong" and the talker saying "i'm sorry, this is a slip, i dont... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
imagine for one second Steve Ballmer would have said something like that - the outrage would be there. But Shuttleworth? oh no, cant say anything, he's the holy prophet. Imagine for a second that he had said "linux is hard to explain to blacks" - the outrage would be there too. So why is it ok for him to throughout his talk say "the guys who work on open source projects" "the guys who... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
It's a shame too, because a lot of the points in that talk are actually really good - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
instead of having people say "yes, many of his suggestions and challenges and visions make sense" - because a lot of his points on project organization, but especially about the limits where often free software falls short -usability, polish, completeness - and he offers specialists to free software projects! These points that I totally agree with and want to applaud. Instead, there's this storm because he just wouldnt say "oops, i of course did not mean anything about girls" - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
cultural sexism... well, I don't necessarily share your POV - when you boil in (almost) all-boy team, on daily basis, it becomes language template without gender-based choice or preference... - A.T.
I had sympathy for females a few years ago, and then I was in a position where I had to work with them in a team, it was hard I had no idea it could be that difficult. - James Robertson
A.T. yup - so it can easily happen that in a Q&A session you slip and use a cliche like "too hard for girls" "make it easy enough for girls" etc. The trick is to realize that you did and go "oops, of course I dont really believe that, it's just an expression I should not have used". That would have been enough. Instead I hear he has written as to how he will not apologize. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
James - that is interesting, I suspect the first time would be an adaptation especially since you are not sure of the boundaries and have no idea some of the things done/said without thinking could be perceived badly. There's also cognitive dissonance between a role that is traditionally male (so the mental image of it is a guy) and the woman you are working with - nobody can help it - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
well, we have the other cliche (which sounds sometimes in team meetings) - "where are girls in our team? why they don't hurry to apply?"... reality, tho, is way different - we have insanely high plank in demands, and those rare girls in bigger team often do "other" jobs because what we do is insanely complex... e.g. only 3 (three) humans on planet earth understand how dsp-bridge... more... - A.T.
Hang on - you know only 3 people really know that and yet when wanting new people you put it in as a requirement? That's a candidate list of 1 and he's not applying. PS: that filters more girls out too, because we are more likely to take job descriptions at face value, and havent been developing the cockiness needed to just blag and fake it... PS: i several times sent my cv to Nokia... more... - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
not exactly - 3ppl example was just example how deep specialization is needed in our team... we do post job openings but usually candidates filtered out on simple category "do you have patches submitted to kernel.org and accepted into main tree?" - A.T.
Simon Phipps
@jzb The biggest threat to FOSS is and always has been "Software Freedom" and "Open Source" being diluted to meaninglessness.
Everybody wants a piece of the pie. - James Robertson
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