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Re: So, would you ever leave your faith? - http://tcapologetics.org/so-woul...
"That's a lot to respond to! Given current time constraints I'm going to pick and choose. I'm happy to come back to other topics later, but I think this will be a better use of time. Your last response had essentially two topics: my non-acceptance of evolution and my confusion over Occam. Since it's more closely related to the OP, I'll start with your challenge about Occam. I understand the difference between physical and metaphysical. I'm not sure what you would like me to do though. This is kind of at the heart of the issue. If my opposition rejects the supernatural as a category, and the natural realm cannot explain the natural realm ... what would you propose? I am putting up the most plausible answer(s) on my worldview against the most plausible answer(s) on opposing worldviews. How would you have proposed I frame this otherwise? (I know I've brushed aside a number of things, but my schedule is crazy right now. I want to continue our conversation, but I'm hoping we can do so in..." - Scott Smith
Re: So, would you ever leave your faith? - http://tcapologetics.org/so-woul...
"I'll give your previous points a shot. But first, it strikes me that you're framing the positions as pro-evolution vs. ignorance. Are you aware of the scholars who have abandoned evolutionary explanations, and done so on scientific grounds? I'm not suggesting this should sway you away from evolution, but I would think it would at least suggest a modicum of humility on the topic. As presented, it sounds like you think I'm holding to a flat earth. Ok, onward and upward... 1) ... What am I trying to explain? As I said in the post, I'm attempting to explain reality. To save space, just look to the bullet points I gave as examples. I am asking what most plausibly accounts for the universe as it is. 2) ... "evolution is a physical answer to a physical question" Granted. But it is only a tiny piece of the puzzle. It doesn't explain electromagnetism, or the immaterial self, or the ratio of gasses in our atmosphere. If I give you evolution, you still have to explain everything else as well...." - Scott Smith
Re: So, would you ever leave your faith? - http://tcapologetics.org/so-woul...
"No worries. I didn't expect you meant anything by it. Given the prevalence phobia language these days, I just wanted to make sure my motives were clear. Rather than reply to all your points, let me back up a step to make sure we're on the same page. It sounds like you are adamant to get me to agree with you about evolution. This is similar to the question that prompted me to write this post. The point I was trying to make (perhaps poorly) is that the acceptance or veridicality of evolution is irrelevant. Even if I were persuaded, that would have no bearing on my belief that Christianity is true. By that, I don't mean that I have blind faith that is unaffected by reason. Rather, what I mean is that these topics have very little to do with one another. The framing of evolution vs. Christianity, or even science vs Christianity, is a false dilemma. The two are not in themselves opposed to one another. My purpose was not to say anything in favor of or opposition to evolution. What I had..." - Scott Smith
Re: So, would you ever leave your faith? - http://tcapologetics.org/so-woul...
"Good questions Chris. Starting with your third paragraph, I'm referring to explanations of any sort. My point was, given two alternatives that plausibly explain a cause, we ought to prefer the one that takes on fewer explanations. In your fifth paragraph, you challenge my claim that nature cannot be explained by natural causes. Before we go too deep, I want to make sure we're on the same page. The thing we're looking to explain is ontological in nature - IOW, what explains the existence of nature? Natural causes can't explain the existence of nature. That's a category mistake. That's my primary point. Does that help? I understand what you're saying in your 6th paragraph. It's true that I don't find evolution compelling, but honestly that's beside the point. Even if I were persuaded that evolution were true, that wouldn't get me any farther than I am now. For example, where did matter come from? Where did energy come from? What explains the natural laws that govern evolution? See what..." - Scott Smith
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Re: Halloween – The Great Omission? - http://sarcasticxtian.com/2011...
"Absolutely Joe. Not holding hostage. I think it's a matter preference. That was my goal abreast. Just offering another perspective to counter the view that it's completely evil and something Christians cannot participate in." - Scott Smith
Re: Halloween – The Great Omission? - http://sarcasticxtian.com/2011...
"Hey Kirk. I don't follow. What do those verses say about Christmas?" - Scott Smith
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"It's certainly not an example of education resulting in proper use of reason. :)" - Scott Smith
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