The Palm Pre news was announced tonight and was NOT leaked before 9 p.m. So? The problem is that the articles that are on TechMeme were written FRIDAY and the journalists that wrote them timed them to release at 9 p.m. -- my article has the real news because I wrote it at the last minute. Yet it isn't a headline on TechMeme right now. Proof that Techmeme is NOT about news.
- Robert Scoble
Techmeme is about who has done the best articles in the PAST. Not about who has legitimate news to break tonight. It also is NOT about linking behavior. None of these articles got any links. Techmeme's algorithm decided on the ranking based on past behavior. Unfair? Hell, life isn't fair. I just love pointing this out so you know that Techmeme isn't about news, it's about popularity.
- Robert Scoble
Scott: a lot of people do. Plus Palm forced Adobe to hold the news until tonight. Adobe told me about every other announcement but said that one of its partners had forced it to hold the news until 9 p.m. Sunday night.
- Robert Scoble
That partner was Palm. What's funny is that at least one of Palm's PR people worked at Apple. That's why I knew that Palm was the one, because only Apple PR people do shit like this.
- Robert Scoble
why are you still reading techmeme? :-)
- Duncan Riley
Scott: back to your question. The Palm Pre is the one device that beats Apple's iPhone in experience (I've seen them all). It is the one device I will stand in line for this year.
- Robert Scoble
tech websites talking about other tech websites .. hhahah it seems to be the norm these days..
- Terry O'Fee
Aaron: when I have news and know it I expect to get onto places where news is supposedly shared.
- Robert Scoble
Am I wrong to take it that the first article on TMM does mention Flash on the Pre by way of saying " will be available on smartphones running Windows Mobile, Google's Android, Nokia S60/Symbian, and the new Palm operating systems. ". Maybe it's not such big news?
- Jef
Jef: the first article has the news. All the rest do not. And even CNET couched it just in case it didn't happen. It's article was written on Friday.
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: good point. But TechMeme usually tracks those places pretty strongly. Much more strongly than in the past. Oh, and now I'm on Techmeme as of 10:03. Goal achieved.
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: complete indeed, I'm going to bed! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Aaron: I think Gabe is having fun now. He just posted a PC World headline that had the news.
- Robert Scoble
The Palm Pre doesn't exist yet right? So saying it will get flash is kinda meh.
- Omar Shahine
Omar: from what I'm hearing the Palm isn't that far away. This stuff is important for developers especially since the Palm is going to be a very hot selling device. Developers care about technology decisions BEFORE a device ships so that they can build apps for it and have them out on day one.
- Robert Scoble
Honestly Robert, glib line aside, there's far better ways to get a tech dose.FriendFeed and Twitter are one outlet, combined with some select pics in terms of blogs. Techmeme got into farce territory last year when it became clear he banned and ranked down sites he didn't like. I've never believed in one person showing me what's going on, nor should you. Sub-feed at best for techmeme, until they renounce their selective ways, which from what I've heard, have gotten far worse now.
- Duncan Riley
Duncan: Gabe insists only one person has been banned from Techmeme.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, maybe if you wrote longer articles you might rate higher on TM. 127 words of analysis is not enough.
- Paul Montgomery
Seriously Robert, the Pre is crap no matter how much you try and build it up.
- Donovan Slennon
So, Donovan, have you actually used one? Robert has, and for that reason alone I suspect his opinion carries more weight than yours.
- Ian Betteridge
too much news about mobile tech and not enough about photography on Techmeme me thinks.
- Thomas Hawk
But I think an under reported piece of this whole story is how RIM is not a part of it. Blackberry is slipping further behind, which is very disappointing.
- JT Perry
Since Scoble made it to Techmeme, albeit not as soon as he would've liked, can we now say that it IS about news?
- coldbrew
JT, RIM was one of the mobile phone companies making the biggest gains in sales last quarter - so I'm not sure what you mean by "slipping further behind".
- Ian Betteridge
coldbrew: funny, the article on top right now is not one with the Palm Pre news and I'm gone again from the headlines. Life still goes on...
- Robert Scoble
that's why I follow you on twitter ;o) "breaking news as it happens!"
- sofarsoShawn
Scoble, looks like you've been clustered below the VentureBeat post.
- coldbrew
coldbrew: yeah, but if you're not a headline it really doesn't matter. Very very few people click on anything other than the headlines.
- Robert Scoble
Is TechMeme even influential with people outside of Tech blog producers? I've only been to the site a few times and found it rather boring. So is there anything to suggest that it still helps form opinions or drives traffic?
- Andrew
Andrew: my referer log shows that last night Twitter brought me 480 visits while TechMeme brought me 294. Google Reader brought me 150 and Inquisitr brought me 50.
- Robert Scoble
As of today, my view is post one place but aggregate everywhere else. For example, I don't post much in Facebook because you can't easily get data out, but you can pull data into Facebook pretty easily. Posting on twitter gets it into FB, FF, my blog, etc...
- JT Perry
I'm mixing up FF and twitter for my posts. Some go to all with ping.fm
- Justin Rains
If somebody is honestly trying to decide whether to post to their blog or twitter, don't you have to question the value of whatever they're writing in the 141st through 10,000th character? Just pick the medium that's appropriate for the length of what you want to say, have it all flow downstream into the other sites where you're willing to engage readers. Don't spam Plurk or Jaiku using Ping.fm if you never visit those sites.
- Ken Sheppardson
Probably due to heavy javascript. Hopefully they come up with an "iphone enhanced" version. Friend Feed's iphone site is pretty nice.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Like I just posted : 'Techcrunch has new UI, More Ads than ever before'. Never mind ... I posted wrong. Ads would have nothing to do with it
- Tyler (Chacha)
That's right. The ads are hosted by third-party services, so it would make sense that load time would degrade. More things to load.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
But I have to *look* for the story. That is not a good design to me. After a few visits I would find it, but if I was a new visitor or unsure of who it was I don't think I would come back.
- JT Perry
I think the new design is to provide more space for ads though...
- Tyler (Chacha)
from IM
The new UI is too chopped up. Too many things for the eye to look at. I liked the old design better, although that is normally the case.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
Chacha: BTW, do ppl even click on ads anymore? Certainly not the tech savvy crowd reading tech crunch.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
I don't even go to the site anymore. Its all about the RSS.
- Tyler (Chacha)
from IM
The top bit looks exactly like a rip-off of Gawker (see: my feed)
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
Bryce: I think the same can be said for many sites. Web design has become very generic among these popular sites.
- Steven (optionshiftk)
wow, afraid to check it now on mines..gees
- Susan Beebe
I dont really like the design. Adds too many widgets and takes a helluva lot of time to load. Have less scripts and images @techcrunch
- Sidharth Dassani
there is a bug in the layout. it's obviously supposed to be 100% advertising, but if you look really hard you can see some readable articles have mistakenly crowded out some of the ads.
- Karim
And mostly some guy called Arrington on some supposed controversy.
- ld
They should just install IWPhone for Wordpress and be done with it. They can customize it later.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse Stay is exactly right. that plugin works great, right out of the box. there's also a good one for BlackBerries and other mobiles by Alex King. Both installed on all my WP blogs..
- Karoli
The TechCrunch logo needs some work, jaggy edges look yucky.
- Mike Davies
Couple of nasty accessibility issues - like image links with no alternative text or null attributes, duplicate text in other links. The markup has some weird peculiarities - like the search box table, and the problem of block-level elements inside inline elements (which does unexpected stuff when the inline element is an anchor). Probably a result of futzing around with an existing wordpress template.
- Mike Davies
Did Arrington sell TC to Nick Denton? Design looks rather Gawker-y.
- Ryan Sholin
Things like this and Boise State in the past are the best thing that can happen. Go Utes!!! (Florida fan who of course is happy to call Florida national champs this year)
- JT Perry
Really? The DNC *requires* silverlight? What about getting your message out to the widest audience? Barack, please don't tell me your beginning your great technology policy by being in Microsoft's back pocket? Screenshot from http://gallery1.demconvention.com/
I'm trying to convince myself that having a sling around my shoulder and carrying Matthew around the house so my hands are free is "manly". It's not working.
To compensate, carry him around by cradling his head in your left hand, with his body lying on your arm, and gently pull him into your side to keep him stable. You know, like a football.
- DGentry
@Denton, I do that often, with either one. But my wife got a sling big enough to fit me this evening and it's not that bad. Lets me use the laptop as well. :-)
- Louis Gray
I second AJ. It's manly. As your wife.
- Chris Baskind
Baby Bjorns are heavenly - maybe I've just become numb to the manly part
- Jesse Stay
I used a Baby Bjorn often. It was a much easier way to carry the munchkin.
- DGentry
Our Baby Bjorn is good, but Matthew is less fussy in the sling, so far.
- Louis Gray
The sling has always felt weird for me (like I'm crushing the kid, when I know I'm not)... and the regular carriers, well, the kid was always sticking out in front of me too far, keeping me from reaching things (or typing). Laid kid out on a blanket between me and the keyboard many nights, tho, and got a lot work done. He slept right through it. Doesn't work for long, tho, as they get too big too quickly...
- abacab
As long as it's not a pretty, sparkly, flowery, pink sling, I think you're okay.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Lisa, it is a dark brown. My wife's looking out for me.
- Louis Gray
Phew. That was a close one. You know brown and pink are the trendy thing right now. Is it reversible? ;-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Hey, guys can wear pink - what are you saying? ;-)
- Jesse Stay
from twhirl
<rant>you could always put some really big sub woofers in your car and get a loud Harley and some tattoos and go to the shooting range</rant> Seriously, manly? I don't let *anyone* define that for me.
- AJ Kohn
Those slings kick @ss - so much better than a Baby Bjorn. For one thing you don't take near as many crotch shots with a sling. For another you can look down and go "oooooooh, a baby!" whereas w/ The Baby Bjorn all you get is baby skull all up in your grill. Not that that's not cute, but the little Geddes-esque pea in a pod visual has to be immensely satisfying.
- J-P Voillequé
Its only manly if you are fighting off lions and tigers while carrying the baby. Its a man rule! ;)
- Moved to Facebook
Turn in your man card. :p Just kidding ofcourse. Enjoy your kidlets as much as you can while they're that little. I miss it.
- Mattb4rd
All depends on how you wear the sling. Baby in front = woman. Baby in back = man. Any other position results in confusion between baby and purse ;-)
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
it's totally manly! Fatherhood brother!
- Thomas Hawk
It's more mommy porn. Best you keep it coming.
- Mrsth
Internet-generation has learned the ways of one-handed surfing so that they can... er.. take care of babies with the free hand ;)
- Jemm
"...Matthew is less fussy..." Now there's something that doesn't seem so manly. Does it really matter, though? Seriously, active fatherhood is a manly thing.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
from NoiseRiver
atlanta is one of my favorite towns to travel too whata great place to work lots of cool companies doing cool stuff
- Jonathan Jesse
I see this as an increasing trend as travel becomes more inconvenient and expensive while bandwidth and technology track on a completely inversely proportional curve.
- Paul Reynolds
I gave the whole talk via Stickam. It went very well.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting to hear. Have you documented how you use it and other software down to some kind of tutorial for other interested people? It would be interesting thing to see and could give much for some.
- Daniel Schildt
Stickam seems like a good way to do it. If we stay on this curve, it won't be too long before we have something like this available to most people: http://www.musion.co.uk/Cisco_T...
- Paul Reynolds
As McCain said, do you really want to start an argument about houses when you just got home from a luxury vacation on your private plane? (or something like that)
- Jesse Stay
Sorry - McCain will lose that argument every single time. He'd do best to stay away from anything resembling Holier-Than-Thous...
- Internet's Tad
Overall I think this is a dumb issue, but McCain opened the door by going after Obama as elitist/celebrity/etc....
- JT Perry
"By the time Barack Obama is ready to announce his vice presidential pick, will anyone believe him? " --- Maybe *this* should be the #gnomedex rumor. Scoble for VP??
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
Mozilla selects best firefox 3 add-ons. Very very boring and *un*-exciting to me. The pencil add on is a bit intriguing just because of the design/coding required. Other than that there just should be better add-ons to me.
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
Even if Obama was going to announce today, I agree with the theory that he didn't want to "kill" the McCain doesn't know how many houses story. A VP pick would have buried it.
- JT Perry
from twhirl
Duct tape (tighten things that are loose) WD40 (loosen things that are tight, explosive) and a multi-tool AS LONG AS said tool includes a fingernail file and tiny flat-head screwdriver. If multi-tool cannot meet those requirements, then I will instead opt for a 6in long round file.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Leatherman tool, GPS receiver, cell phone (to call someone who can fix that :) )
- Morton Fox
I'm surprised no one gave me props for the Hitchhikers' Guide reference. And if I was traveling with Dr. Who's sonic screwdriver, hopefully I'd also have a long ass funky colored scarf on and jelly babies in my pocket.
- Alex Scoble
Don't know but I work in lower Queen Anne ngbhood of Seattle. We always have Fire/Ambulance go by us. We end up looking so often, finally have a monitor in the hall always showing it. Don't know what that says about us
- JT Perry
from twhirl
"It is rare for a multi-player trade to work out perfectly for a club receiving five “lesser” players in return for one established Major League star, but it’s come pretty close to perfect for Baltimore."....Oh good, salt in the wound
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
Analysis: Why the Home Debate Matters In politics, there is nothing worse than appearing out of touch. From time immemorial, a candidate who is effectively portrayed as forgetting about the "little" people, of having "gone Washington," of living higher on the hog than voters, loses.
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
"Forty-one percent (41%) of Americans say George W. Bush will go down in history as the worst U.S. President ever, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey."
- newsjunk.com
I'm curious what this number will be in twenty years. While my gut reaction is "yes" he is the worst president *ever*, I wonder if I will think he is only in the bottom 10 a few years from now. Reactions are always the strongest when in the middle of an event, they seem to moderate with time.
- JT Perry
Only 41%? In any other country, such a character would have got impeached long back and his party wiped out of electoral map. Nowhere in the world, a president has lied about national security and his party have a fighting chance in the next elections. It is a shame.
- Krishnan Subramanian
Krish: Any other country? Pretty broad brush to paint with. But also is labeling someone the "worst ever". Many people in surveys will not take extreme positions. Bring in party affiliation like the article suggests and it gets even crazier. You will have a signficant portion of party loyalists who will answer one way or the other for "the good of the party" without even considering the question asked.
- JT Perry
It's an interesting set of statistics. I personally think his job performance is poor, and suspect history will show him to be one of the worst, perhaps the worst of this generation. But I'm not a presidential historian, and don't feel qualified to write about my opinion or to answer polls about this. I have no framework to provide an intelligent response. I suspect the same is true for most of the people who did respond. I'd like to see better questions asked, questions respondents are qualified to answer.
- Charlene Kingston
Krish, whatever it is your smoking pass it this way bro. yikes!
- Nathan
from Alert Thingy
@JT Perry: As far as I am concerned, Bush's lies are no different from the lies of Sadaam kinds. I couldn't consider it to be a very broad brush to paint with. The kinda lies this administration had unleashed on the citizens including dubious and cheap selection policies in the most important department in a democracy (justice dept.) makes it worthy of calling him "worst ever" and using "any other country". His election in 2000 makes the comparison much easier.
- Krishnan Subramanian
@Nathan In fact, it is because of people like you, Bush kinda people has got the balls to lie blatantly. If anyone has to come out of the dope, it is people like you who don't even realize that he has screwed this country.
- Krishnan Subramanian
I don't know if he's the worst President ever. He's certainly been the worst President in my lifetime, and that includes that rat bastard Nixon.
- Steven Perez
As much as I dislike Bush, it's hard to say he's worse than Grant. (or Hoover, or Coolidge) From what I've read, Grant was an epic FAIL. I'm with Steven and Sean, he's definitely the worst in my lifetime. Even worse than Reagan.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
Coolidge was the best president we've ever had. Bush will be judged just fine. Winners of wars don't ever look that bad.
- Morgan Warstler
To quote that eminent philosopher Charles Brown: "Winning isn't everything, but losing isn't anything." Last I checked, Bush had two losing efforts on his hands.
- Steven Perez
Traditionally the US people treat presidents who make hard choices badly at the time. I'm not saying Bush is right but folsk hated Reagan too, ya know?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
"Even worse than Reagan"? That's not hard to do since Reagan easily ranks in the top 3 or 4.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Morgan: lessee ... Taleban making a comeback, Osama bin Laden still on the loose, security in Iraq holding as long as we keep making payments to Muqtada al-Sadr ... yep, DOUBLE FAIL.
- Steven Perez
The worst administration in American history doesn't begin to cover the cascade of superlative fails: the worst, the most criminal, the most incompetent, the most destructive, the most ideologically fanatical, the least intelligent, the least pragmatic, the most anti-conservative, the most anti-liberal, the most anti-American (anti-U.S. Constitution, anti-U.S. Bill of Rights), the most...
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- Sean McBride
While I think GWB has been a disappointing president, I also think an earlier commenter is correct in saying that it will be several years down the line before we get a true sense of how history will judge his administration. Even so, there is no way his is the "worst administration in history." I suspect Jimmy Carter will hold on to that record until humans no longer roam the earth. He did an excellent job at being the worst president ever.
- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Rolling Stone http://tinyurl.com/n2f4m "George W. Bush's presidency appears headed for colossal historical disgrace. Barring a cataclysmic event on the order of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, after which the public might rally around the White House once again, there seems to be little the administration can do to avoid being ranked on the lowest tier of U.S. presidents. And...
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- Sean McBride
Gregory: Carter? Wasn't he the one with the military misadventures, high inflation and out-of-control gas prices? ... Wow, deja vu all over again.
- Steven Perez
Yes, Steven, as a matter of fact he was. But, unlike the high gas prices of today, which can't in any way be blamed on GWB, Cartrer's disastrous economic policies are to blame for the meteoric rise in gas prices during his administration. Based on that criteria, it seems that GWB might not be the worst president in history for very long. Four years from now, we may very well be saying...
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- Gregory Pittman
from twhirl
Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago http://tinyurl.com/99nye Consider President Jimmy Carter's April 18, 1977 speech. Since it was given nearly three decades ago, when many of the reporters in Bush's White House were children, it's understandable that they don't remember it. But it's inexcusable that Bush and the mainstream media (which, after all, has the...
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- Sean McBride
Yet another reason why Bush 43 and the neocons are an unmitigated disaster: Georgia: A Blow to U.S. Energy http://tinyurl.com/58ze8y "The plans of the U.S. and Western oil companies for expanded pipelines in the Caspian region may well be a casualty of Russia's attack." These IDIOTS -- including neocon puppet John McCain -- are praising the actions of those Georgians who are undermining...
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- Sean McBride
I know, let's create a federal rule that prevents us from using the bus/transit infrastructure we as tax payers have already paid for. Let's put more bus traffic on the roads. All because we have to open the service to public bid. Congratulations government, you just made it twice as expensive for people to do the environmentally (and safety when you think about alcohol) responsible thing. *sigh*
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
We have a *great* weather blogger here in Seattle. Even before blogging, his web forecasts were top notch. Now he does a great job of explaining that global warming is not a black/white issue. Very gray. While I believe very strongly we all have to make changes to reduce the chance of global warming, it is very important that everybody looks at both sides of the debate.
- JT Perry
from Bookmarklet
He totally did. Drew the wind right out of her sails. (Trying my best Borat here...) "NOT!"... So, hard to pull that off. How did he DO that? It was her's to lose. And, she did a marvelous job of it.
- Gerald Buckley
I don't like this talk of "X screwed Y's chances." I didn't like it in 2000 when people blamed Nader for Gore losing, and I didn't like it in 92 when people blamed Perot for Bush losing. My major beef with it, aside for any factual-ness arguments, is that it plays RIGHT into the hands of those with a vested interest in maintaining the two party system (i.e., the parties themselves). Then you've got the the assumption that if, for instance, Edwards hadn't been in the race that everyone who voted for him...
- David Worrell
would have voted for Clinton over Obama.
- David Worrell
That really could be taken a few ways :) ....
- Charlie Anzman
How did Edwards have anything to do with Clinton losing? From what I can tell it was mainly due to her complete inability to manage her campaign staff and the huge tactical holes they gave to Obama's campaign to exploit. Sounds like sour grapes to me. She lost. She needs to own up to the fact that she lost and move on. She needs to take responsibility for her failure instead of pointing figures at everyone else.
- Alex Scoble
I have to strongly disagree here. Iowa second choice polling never showed Clinton doing well at all. Also polling seemed to show Edwards vote going towards Obama after he dropped out. A great write up from Nate at FiveThirtyEight here. http://bit.ly/20OYbm
- JT Perry
I've had this dilemma until recently. I don't use radio anymore, and I haven't had cable in years so no MTV or VH1. I've recently discovered Pandora, quite happy with it.
- Kevykev
I have some friends whose raison d'être is finding new music, and they toss it to me.
- Kirk Kittell
I don't listen to radio at all. I don't watch videos. Primary source of music is Last.fm and I find new/different stuff via FriendFeed. If I can't find anything I like...I create it.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
Any and every way I can. I especially like getting recommendations from people I trust. Then, if I really dig the music, I will always have that connection to reflect on.
- Josh Haley
Madison, Wisconsin enjoys the benefits of a fine community station and a killer student station (i.e., WORT, WSUM). Always way ahead of the curve. Plus the internets are a bonus.
- Dave Martin
Last.fm, Pandora, a few choice blogs and--every now and then--the radio.
- Aram Zucker-Scharff
from twhirl
Pandora, BBC 1 (it's new to Americans) and a few di.fm programs.
- Andrew Leyden
I don't listen to radio or watch TV since I moved to the UK, so my primary sources now are Last.fm, eMusic, FriendFeed and Rolling Stone. I'd say I'm purchasing about as much music as I used to though - mostly CDs when Amazon or HMV has a sale. DRM sucks.
- Jon Price
Pandora, Last.fm, podcasts, & sometimes radio. Friends too :)
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
primarily - last.fm and amazon.com recommendations. secondarily - friend recommendations. I have the benefit of having friends with impeccable taste in music.
- Jason Toney
last.fm, hypem.com and podcasts oh and of course friends.
- Got80s
from twhirl
Friends, last.fm, radio, newspapers, movies, tv shows, magazines, concerts, nightclubs, festivals, and FF.
- Pete Delucchi
Oh, music blogs and podcasts, too. flux, gramophone, soul sides, rock insider, and the fader are go to blogs. KCRW top tune, kexp song of the day, and indiefeed are my go to music podcasts. But, damn, now y'all know all my secrets. How will I maintain my rockist/soulist cred?
- Jason Toney
All I use is last.fm, because somehow it amanages to find new related artists each week despite my massive music collection
- Bartek Ciszkowski
I tend to rummage with radio, and internet cause I don't get music suggestions.
- Shawn aka ringking
I'm a bit of a new-music freak and take a lot of time out to find new music. I don't ell se last.fm but I am hooked up on the site. While Pandora was available in the UK that was by far the best way I found new music. Since then I browse my iLike Activity page weekly, as well as check my iTunes weekly mail of new tunes from my favourite bands. I also check BBC Radio 1's and xfm's...
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- Kol Tregaskes
Oh and once I do find a new band I hck them out on Amazon and AllMusic and seek out the similar artists/Albums they list. ALso, Radio 1 has lots of podcasts to listen to.
- Kol Tregaskes
If the last.fm feeds on FF all hd lay buttons then I would check them out more too.
- Kol Tregaskes
I don't, really. Most of my new music is soundtracks. I just don't listen to music.
- Brent Newhall
Through friends and Amazon.com. Occasionally through the BBC's 1Xtra and the NY Times Arts section. My friends are musical omnivores and voracious consumers. They've introduced me to most of the new music I've purchased in the last year.
- tiffany
i am in the black/electro scene - new music i find via last.fm, listening to my friends' music and - like last weekend - by visiting festivals :)
- Carsten
WarMaiden: I already know that Phelps won a goal and set a world record but it won't be on here in California until later tonight.
- Robert Scoble
TV is dead. Time delays are dead. In Canada, they don't allow local broadcasting of election results until your region's polls have closed. The Internet has killed that old-fashioned idea. Time delay TV is so 1988.
- Stephen Pierzchala
We hear this every four years, but if you truly want the Olympcs to be live with the 12-hourdifference, be waring to go at 3 a.m. That said, I notice that at least for the East Coasters are getting some of the big events live while us West Coasters have to wait three hours... But we're used to that...
- Chris Reed
CBC is the perfect model. Live, inclusive, no smaltzy profiles, just the sports.
- Kathleen Mazzocco
NBC sucks. Why aren't they showing more of the Olympics? At 7 they showed Access Hollywood Weekend, now they are doing "Olympic Zone" live from Downtown Palo Alto??? WTF??
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Robert, you sure are in a hateful mood tonight..but I am with ya..so carry on.
- Scot Duke
that sucks. here in Detroit we've got the CBC too, although at least on EST, they've had just as much live coverage for the first time since at least '92
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Scot: I hate it cause people are talking about it on Twitter and I can't watch for three more hours. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Agreed PC. Their announcers suck, their stupid commercial breaks every 5 minutes suck. Ugh, I want decent coverage of this stuff already.
- Dennis Jackson
I am with ya on the Twitter talk about it. I have been trying to watch it online and that sucks as well.
- Scot Duke
agreed that the CBC coverage has been great so far...too bad they've lost the broadcast rights for the olympics after this year...
- Trent Olson
I am so angry that I can't watch my friends who are racing over there...I have to read about it and hope for youtube. Not angry. Outraged.
- Andrew Feinberg
And the MSM wonders why people pirate content and feeds....
- Duncan Riley
gee .. like no-one thought this would happen huh .. a corporation re-writing history to help their bottom line .. I am so shocked <GASP>
- Steven Hodson
Robert - Yes East Coast, but they are back to recorded gymnastics. "LIVE" is gone.
- Ben Newton
I'm watching it live right now. Is it a west coast thing? There are tons of live events online this year, even practice sessions. Requires MSoft Silverlight but pretty good quality streams.
- Andrew Leyden
I watched the opening ceremony on my TV via Sopcast&Tvants (pc hooked up to TV). Watched it again in HDTV on NBC later that night. This link has all the ways to catch coverage http://howto.wired.com/wiki...
- Andrew Leyden
and you are surprised? at all? honestly?
- Thomas Vincent
I'm watching CBC in Canada. http://www.cbc.ca/olympics Do you think it would be any different if another network was covering the Olympics in the States?
- Phillip Jeffrey
Comcast added two special Olympic channels in the HD section--one for basketball and one for soccer. There is also Universal HD which has some coverage, USA Network, Oxygen, CNBC and MSNBC, and Telemundo. I'd spin around to see if you can find anything live at the moment (I think there is a basketball game on now).
- Andrew Leyden
Have you tried nbcolympics.com? I know they are having some events live. Personally I don't have a problem with the delay. With a choice of the races being broadcast live but not seeing them and being able to see the delay I'll take the delay.
- ChiliMac
If you want live, unfortunetly the only way is through the web. And they are raw feeds using MS Silverlight. So if your willing to deal with that you can get all of the events in a pop-up window on your computer. : |
- Bluesun 2600
from twhirl
On the West coast in .au we are use to 2hr delay for most sporting events, but not the Olympics. Appears to be live at, least on SBS the "complementary" broadcaster, time to settle down for 3 hours of the womens cycling road race.
- Nick Cowie
whenever the olympics take place on the other side of the world most events aren't shown live. This is not about broadcasting the olympics as a public service. It's about NBC making their money back. You do understand the relationship between ad rates and prime-time, right? The Internet takes away any suspense about the olympics when they are held on the other side of the world. You ain't gonna get live from NBC. Too much money at risk.
- Dave Madison
part of the coverage is live at least on the east coast. there has been some effort to schedule a few important US events in the morning a la Phelps so that they can be seen live on primetime
- Ted
Adding insult to injury, my rather capable PowerPC Mac can't even access the Olympics on nbcolympics.com. It's using an Intel-only version of Silverlight. Trying CBC and other foreign networks online all reject me because of my American IP, and I haven't found a successful proxy server that'll let me stream.
- Kevin Hessel
loving nbc's use of silverlight working awesome on the macbook pro
- adolfo foronda
The BBC have just had to put a bucket into the Olympics studio in Beijing as the roof is leaking!
- Rich
@Kevin Hessel: Thanks for pointing that out. Now I'm not happy with NBC either.
- ChiliMac
try watching CBC channel 99 on Comcast. I just watched USA creamed China in basketball, live.
- ~C4Chaos
NBC focuses too much on the #olympics drama rather than live coverage. bball on primetime? USA already creamed China - http://bit.ly/1cQyX2
- ~C4Chaos
NBC sucks. I started a public email protest here: http://n2.nabble.com/NBC-Oly... - please help to spread the word. If more people work together to get their message to NBC, they will have to act. Blogging and commenting like this are just too scattered and too easy for NBC to ignore.
- weizpub
I put it on mute. The visuals are astonishing, but their vapid commentary: holy Christ.
- Mark Trapp
I can't stand this tape delay bulls++t. They won't show it for another 2.5 hours. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
I stopped watching the Olympics years ago when they even put the Atlanta games in tape delay
- PC Easy
from twhirl
really? you can't watch the whole olympics becasue the opening ceremony was on tape delay? you know you cna watch the sports online and get pretty much everything live.
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Wow, even for the west coast? That's stupid. I figured they'd run it at 5 and again at 8 for PT.
- Mark Trapp
I'm watching sports online that I care about, but I want to see the opening ceremonies in all of HDTV's glory. Gotta wait until 7:30 p.m. Pacific to see that.
- Robert Scoble
Won't get to see it for a few hours, but I can already envision what you're describing :(
- Jennifer Van Grove
from twhirl
Figure rather than tweeting incessantly as I'm wont to do in an event like this, I'll comment here: two words for this, "massively monolithic." It's creepy. HD is doing this great justice. Even if you caught it earlier, see it in HD.
- Mark Trapp
Wow, 8 minutes in is a commercial break. This is silly.
- Mark Trapp
I must say tho, i'm glad I have the option of CBC whenever NBC gets too annoying
- Richard Lawler
from twhirl
Oh man, Vladmir Putin and George Bush's seats are right next to each other. To be in the seat in front of them.
- Mark Trapp
I was just typing that on another thread, Mark. Anyone able to parse the timing of them sitting there vs. the invasion?
- Cyndy
Opening ceremony would've been 12 hours ago, which is right about the time the invasion started. 15 hours ago Georgia attacks militants, 12 hours ago news agencies report Putin has said war has started. The vapid announcers are so clueless: the two of them were probably arguing about the invasion.
- Mark Trapp
I'm irritated that this country feels the need to interrupt the opening ceremony with stupid commercials.
- Dennis Jackson
It's pretty bad, too: the Superbowl this isn't apparently. Reusing commercials, half of them aren't even in HD. Looks like the only new commercials are the Visa and NBC Olympic promos.
- Mark Trapp
"President Bush committed an impeachable offense by ordering the CIA to to manufacture a false pretense for the Iraq war in the form of a backdated, handwritten document linking Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda, an explosive new book claims."
- newsjunk.com
I would like to see some investigation into this charge. Obviously one book is not enough, but somebody better start looking into all of this. Sadly I don't hold out hope that anyone will.
- JT Perry
@JT sadly I tend to agree with you. Out leaders have become above the law, a very sad state of affairs. This is what Jefferson was talking about when he said we needed a revolution every few years to keep the government in line.
- Aaron Krug