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Friendfeed needs to time-stamp the comments.
Kathleen Capps, Kol Tregaskes, Tanath and 116 other people liked this
Yeah, that is something that I have been thinking about.
- Kevin Bondelli
Less thinking more action ;)
- Alberto Reyes
A tooltip maybe on hover over the quote graphic. Keep it clean
- Andrew Smith
Optional feature - timestamp - not default.
- Susan Beebe
great idea!
- Sarah Perez
it must be part of the API, since fftogo seems to include a time stamp on the comments
- Trent Olson
I'm sure they do store the timestamp, even if it isn't currently displayed.
- Mack D. Male
Yeah, it's in the api, all comments & likes are timestamped
- Glenn Slaven
I think this is a perfect plan. The only issue I might have is that the time information might take-over the conversations. It might just look more cluttered than FF already is.
- Ryne Nelson
It would be useful sometimes.
- Morton Fox
concur, very useful to have. Make it a display option. Those who would think it's clutter can turn it off then.
- Alexander Falk
It is in the API (I use them in fftogo). I vote that the timestamp should appear as text when you hover over the "thought bubble" to the left.
- Benjamin Golub
All comments are time-stamped in AlrertThingy and feedalizr
- Stephen B
from Alert Thingy
Comments are time stamped in bTT as well.
- Francois Bochatay
from bTT
and also in twhirl
- Marco Kaiser
from twhirl
agreed. Timestamps are important
- Peter Dawson
What about a comment alert?! How do you follow conversations on ff!?
- TommaSorchiotti
Not sure if this will add to the functionality, but should be something they can try out...
- Dennis Goedegebuure
Not sure a comment alert is necessary. Comments bring the post up to the top of the timeline, which makes it available for anyone who is currently paying attention to Friendfeed. (Not sure why anyone would want their attention brought to Friendfeed if it isn't already there, that would be a huge productivity drain).
- Jason Wehmhoener
Please, please remember that the whole world doesn't run on PDT. I don't want to see timestamps in my FF in gReader and have to always try to guess whether the west coast is 17, 16, or 15 hours behind. If you must display timestamps, please put them in GMT. Setting the timestamps on my FF page/in my FF feed to be correct in my local timezone would be even nicer.
- James Polley
yeah ! and a hide fonction for each comment
- Jonathan
منم به فارسی تایید می کنم
- Kamal
we know which came first... but in n argument the comments can edit. that makes time stamping very important so we know when someone made a change
- Noah David Simon
a timeline function in general would be nice, make everything more timeframe friendly
- Ruben Llibre
Show times either in GMT or in my own timezone, and just make it a tooltip for the quote balloon or something. Don't want it to look cluttered.
- Pat Hawks
just make the time relative from each comment, so I know who said what when in perspective. like 5 minutes later Noah David Simon said. <--this opens up
- Noah David Simon
like i said earlier about plurk :)
- kosmar
Is i really important to know when every single comment is made? Only the last one would really be useful, could have 'last comment on june 1 at..." right beside the date of the post.
- John Duff
If the timestamp is a tooltip, then it isn't really "in the way." Maybe we can have all the timestamps as tooltips, except the most recent comment will have the timestamp printed out below it, like John said.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I am so tired of entering an empty room and talking to myself for twenty minutes. lol
- Russellreno
A needed feature for sure I agree. I suggested this to the FF feedback room some weeks ago.
- Mike Fruchter
Any news?
- Amiroo ™
<--- try hover your mouse cursor on that little dialog icon
- topo
Sorry it's not more obvious, but if you hover your mouse over the comment icon you will see the time that the comment was made. Thanks for letting us know that it's hard to find! The feedback is much appreciated.
- Ross Miller
I believe they are timestamped but this data is not yet displayed.... you're right !
- David Berrebi
other than timestamp I also want to be able to like the comments individually =]
- Özgür D. Cyric
This thread shows what happens when nobody reads the comments before theirs
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Agreed. The entire time...
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
Rahsheen, your point is awesome right now :)
- Zachary Poley
from twhirl
this feed tells me that noone reads the comments before theirs =] =] j/k
- Özgür D. Cyric
Yes,sure. The problems is how to realize it?
- Motor Industry
Ross Miller:Thanks, my bad lots of greasemonkey junk keep me away to recognize that
- Amiroo ™
19 Twitter Desktop Apps Compared - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Kindle for iPhone out- read Kindle ebooks on your phone - http://jkontherun.com/2009...
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The Most Popular Twitter Acronyms - http://www.labnol.org/interne...
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I thought IMHO was In My Humble Opinion
- Bibi
Bibi is correct
- Bora Zivkovic
I may not be one of the #motrinmoms, but just try holding twins with your arms and getting anything done. Slings and backpacks = required.
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For those who missed it, the front page of Motrin's Web site at http://www.motrin.com has many parents up in arms about their snarky, dismissive ad. Check it before their PR people wake up on Monday.
- Louis Gray
If it gets pulled off the Motrin website, it's also on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Rochelle
Hey, Louis. Last week, a christening at the church I attend was for 2-month old triplets who have twin brothers about 22 months old. That's right, five children under two. Four boys and one girl. I felt like taking a Motrin just looking at them.
- Rex Hammock
not sure I understand how this is snarky and dismissive ..... i live with a mom, she laughed and said "yep"
- Chris Rogers
Obama Roasts McCain at Al Smith Dinner - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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McCain too http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Paul Buchheit
Thanks for posting! (I caught the end of it on TV)
- Dan Hsiao
McCain was quite funny too. At the end especially when introducing Obama next =)
- Davide D'Incau
This is fabulous! "That was a tough primary you had there, John." And thanks for posting McCain's too - about to watch.
- Carla Thompson
This is excellent! I wish we had the same kind of moments in French politics!
- Antoine Bertier
OMG... the AIG zinger...
- Cyndy
the idea of this during a campaign just seemed bizarre to me...
- Taylor Davidson
where is the McCain video from the Al Smith dinner?
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I love the quote that the problems with the housing market have been eight times harder on McCain ha!
- Joe Dawson
Good humoured banter. Nice to see the candidates with a sense of humour during the campaign.
- Chris Nixon
Its great to think that after the division between candidates, parties and America in the past months, this sort of event could occur. I loved it! Both were great, and we needed a refreshing moment to sit back and realize that at the end of the day, one of the more crucial aspects to life is the ability to laugh.
- jcunwired
McCain was the best I have *ever* seen him. Won't change my vote, of course, but the McCain in this video is a lot more like the one we used to see before the 2000 elections.
- Chris Baskind
both were pretty funny....but i think obama won the standup debate :)
- don loeb
McCain was hilarious. As an Obama supporter, I am glad he wasn't that good during all of his other speeches ;)
- Bret Taylor
One of my favorite lines was "Many of you know that I got my name, Barack, from my father. What you may not know is that Barack is actually Swahili for 'that one'. And I got my middle name from somebody who obviously didn't think I'd ever run for president."
- Bret Taylor
Agree with Bret. McCain's comedic timing was a lot better than Obama's
- Deepak Singh
This is really cool! FUNNY!!!!!!! thanks for sharing!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Amen, @Chris B. If only the whole campaign were this funny and civil.
- Heidi Moon
Hehe. Roast. Conjures up funny images to people here in the UK.
- Slappy Line
They were both hilarious! Their writers need to work in comedy :) I thought Obama was the funniest, but then I am an Obama fan so may be biased.
- Sheila Taylor
Swahili for "That One". Too funny.
- Clay Newton
"Contrary to rumors, I was not born in a manger! I was actually born on Krypton...."
- j1m
Funny, McCain was good as well. Can you imagine having that in France?...Not really!
- alice ayel
Dear american friends: should Barack Obama lose the election, can we have him ?
- dario
@Dario only if the international community will also accept an American intellectual diaspora as well.
- Jason Carreira
@alice, maybe not the 2002 election, but a roast between Sarko and Séngolène would have been interesting.
- James Williams
"Greatest weakness: It's possible I'm a little TOO awesome."
- Rebecca Sun
I made up my mind who I am voting for today: Obama.
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what took you so long? at least you beat Colin Powell to the bandwagon ;)
- ~C4Chaos
C4: Ida thunk that was in the bag after the UN WMD debacle. Time for General Powell to hit back after his career and reputation were calculatedly ruined by the bushies.
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
@Richard yeah. if only Powell stood his ground, he could be the one running for President right now. and neither McCain nor Obama would be able to top his credentials.
- ~C4Chaos
But you tweeted that McCain's pick of Palin was brilliant. Not so anymore? Just curious.
- Gee Ekachai
Politically it was brilliant at the time. I would agree with him. It was a short term tactic.
- Rolf Schewe
@Geeber It seemed brilliant at the time. (When I said that i had my public opinion analysis hat on.)
- Steve Rubel
OK...so that's TODAY...but what will it be in 15 days ?!?!
- Nir Ben Yona
I'm curious, Steve—how did you make up your mind? What factors led to your choice of Obama?
- Cathryn Hrudicka
@Cathryn I still have doubts about him but feel has the best temperament to lead. Also agree with his economic policies. Concerned a bit if he can be tough enough on Iran and his views on Israel.
- Steve Rubel
Geez. I'm Canadian and I decided a long time ago!
- Justin Davey
Come to Daddy, DropBox on Flickr - Photo Sharing! - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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53GB of Dropbox goodness. Tasty.
- Chris Messina
from Mento
My fellow Democrats - http://scobleizer.com/2008...
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Robert, this piece is right on the mark. Great work. Now hopefully others will take this to heart and put it into action.
- Eric Newman
You missed 1 trillion dollar misguided kbr war and its consequences !
- imran
Well stated, Robert.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
from twhirl
imran: good point. That drains resources too that could be used to improve our competitiveness.
- Robert Scoble
Excellent points Robert.
- Jeff P. Henderson
A great post Robert. Speak to people about something they can aspire to, stop treating them like you think they are inbred sheep and jsut maybe Obama can get momentum back.
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
I agree with you on the point of what has to change. But you are saying that Republicans are more liberal than Democrats are, which is stupid. So much of America is more conservative than the Republican Party is showing today. And what the government should do in the next 4 years? Nothing but repeal the idiotic laws and regulations causing so many problems like high health care costs. PS-Religion is not taking over our society/government, look at our social habits and all forms of media.
- Randy
@Robert: Thanks for the thought provoking post.
- imran
Weren't you smitten and totally tricked by the pretty guy who cheated on his wife?
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
I wish one day KBR subcontracting awards/terms/prices are released/leaked.
- imran
Douglas: yes, I was smitten and totally tricked by John McCain who cheated on his handicapped wife. Thanks for noticing.
- Robert Scoble
The same cultural and intellectual arrogance that Democrats displayed in 2004 is back again in 2008. Point well made to get focused on things that matter before Democrats are left stunned on November 5th wondering what happened, empty threats to move to Canada, buying bumper stickers that say "don't blame me," etc...
- Peter Kim
Haha - awesome Robert! I bow to your snarky rebute. :)
- Douglas Karr
from twhirl
Great post, Robert. I've been seeing the same actions from people around me, and it's sad to see Democrats take the easy way out and give up hope for the future. I feel like the nation is at a turning point and to pass up on this opportunity will just continue to further our slide from one of the greatest nations in the world. We don't want to just be "ok" as a country, we want to be "great" and that's not easy. (Also, don't be so quick to blame religion, we're not happy with the situ either.)
- Sam Dodge
Or perhaps high tech jobs are leaving for the same reason low tech jobs are leaving...wages are higher here than in other countries. You can improve U.S. education and loosen immigration all you want, but if doing business in China improves your bottom line, companies will hire in China.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
As much as I loved Robert's retort, McCain is not the least bit pretty.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Ontario: the CEOs tell me that it's not just the high wages here (which have gotten a lot lower due to the weak dollar, actually). They tell me they can't bring over here the smartest workers. They can't deal with the high medical costs. They can't deal with the uneducated workforce that's not ready for jobs in science and technology. They can't deal with the infrastructure here (bad transporation systems for moving their workers around, and bad broadband into the home so they are less able to work at home)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: I always wondered what if our government spent one trillion dollars on a new Global Marshall plan to develop the troubled areas after 2001 as a reaction, just imagine, where economy of the world would be today, remember oil barrel price was at mid 20s at start of war.
- imran
Weren't we told by the Dems a while back that cheating on your wife in the Oval office was just fine and not a cause for concern? McCains history is not an issue for me - the guy is flawed but human. I can accept that about people. I am not a brittle moralist.
- Soulhuntre
just posted this - http://tinyurl.com/yesman - needless to say i think there is a place for concentrating on the shortcomings of the incumbent administration, especially if a candidate is so obviously shaping up to perpetuate them. that said, i will answer Robert's call for something positive, and I agree wholeheartedly with the sentiments behind it. important post.
- Dan Light
Great post. I think the key to this election may very well be the economy. In middle America - where the Republicans dominated 4 years ago, people are tired of watching their retirement accounts shrink, as the price of day to day living: gas and groceries continues to rise. If the democrats can come up with a specific plan of attack, this may very well be the point that tips the election.
- Lorraine Ball
Actually, Soulhuntre, I think the Dems said that having a consentual affair with one person wasn't evidence of illegally pressuring someone else to bestow favors.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Obama should propose temporarily lifting the costs for bringing money into the US. They did this after 9/11 and billions were brought back into the country by all sorts of corporations. Those dollars went into Domestic investment and really helped things out. He could win over a lot of business votes with that move.
- Andrew
Soulhuntre - No one said it was fine for anyone to cheat on their wife. Just that it shouldn't be the subject of a congressional investigation and impeachment.
- Andrew
@MiniMage - some did. But many, many more went on and on about how character doesn't matter, only policies matter. They never really understood why folks might care about the core of a persons views. Am I thrilled McCain had an affair? Nope. Am I happy to take that flaw over a personality that lets someone cut a shady deal with a guy like Rezco and hag out will Bill Ayers? You bet.
- Soulhuntre
Coastal elites want to talk about education, science and technology and infrastructure; hillbillies (like Soulhuntre) are fixated on extra-marital affairs. Exhibit A -- America is in major decline as the world's leading economic superpower.
- Sean McBride
Great essay. The main problem -- declining education, declining literacy, declining science and technology, declining generation of intellectual capital vis-a-vis our competitors -- all the other problems flow from those core problems. And the current Republican Party is pandering to a fundamentalist base which seems to hate intellectual activity. We may well be at the end of our run as the world's leading economic superpower.
- Sean McBride
@Andrew Burd - many, many dems here in the NYC area (since that is where I meet the most people) didn't care about it at all. They simply denied that it shoudl be a factor in how they saw the man at all. The impeachment stuff was a whole other deal I was not a big fan of.
- Soulhuntre
Interesting how this started with me asking Democrats to avoid aiming at Republican groins, but now Republicans are aiming at our groins. Damn, can't we do better than this? I guess not.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, listen to the DSC Podcast with Adam Curry. Check out http://drop.io/dailysourcecode You've got a lot to learn.
- bill giltner
Most of the problems you cite stem from cultural anti-intellectuallism. I'm not sure what any government or person can do to make America value intellectualism more - we're simply a nation that's become too complacent in our success, and hasn't been able to think for ourselves to solve a problem in a long, long time. Republicans exploit it, but they didn't create it. And I don't think the Democrats can do anything to change it.
- Eric P
Scoble - love the post. One thing I'd like to ask. Why is that many republicans love to call anyone that is a Democrat a "liberal" or "socialist?" It's like their two year old only this is their new way of calling someone a "poopie head?" I'm always up for healthy debate over the good and bad of both parties but geesh, when the other party can't talk like an adult, it makes it awfully hard to have a productive conversation.
- Aaron Strout
I'd vote for any candidate who built a platform around improving the US based on your 6.5 points. Democrat or Republican, these are all extremely important issues. The Reps have already picked which side they want to be on (http://bit.ly/17CClx). I'd like to see the Dems stake as a strong a position.
- Chris Rogers
Robert - The one problem I had with the post was the lumping legal and illegal immigrants together. America is not mad at legal immigrants. It's the ones who intentional break our laws to get into the country. Come one, come all, but do it legally. Immigration is one of the things that makes our country great.
- eyeonpower
while I agree 95% with your post, just a minor not: Reagan didn't ask German's to tear down the wall, he asked Gorbachev - but in the end, it was us Germans who tore it down with the tacit understanding that Gorbachev would let it happen - I don't think Reagan's speech had a lot of influence over the millions of protesters in Eastern Germany :)
- Frederic
I think it's BOTH AND. I think we should both be talking about the issues dear to us AND pointing out the most newsworthy facts about Palin as President in Waiting because no one in her position has been as woefully prepared. That's not pot shots. That's fact. And too many would forget Keating Five in favor of focusing on the positive. In the end, humor and satire (i.e. wit and intellect) will take down the GOP, not blogging. Tina Fey and Sarah Benincasa, I love you.
- jeneane sessum
On the show The Communicators on CSPAN rtsp://video1.c-span.org/project/de/com091308_mcdowell.rm The FCC speaks to the point of the US not really being 19th in the world for broadband. It's not as bad as people make it to be. Check it out. He speaks to net neutrality as well.
- Lee Bautista
Wow, everyone has very good comments to Robert's great post. Robert, let me just say that while I'm a republican, I would echo your call to arms... While I do not necessarily agree the Democratic candidates are the correct recourse - a change in direction is most assuredly necessary. Unfortunately, the collective 'we' continue our in-fighting to such a degree we miss the important things such as horrendous medical costs and anti-immigrant sentiment (what happened to the great melting pot?).
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
You know what I hate? I hate that Robert felt he had to say "My fellow Democrats" rather than "My fellow Americans". Personally, I don't identify with either party, but I can promise you there are Republicans who care about these issues too and even are on the same side as Robert is on some/most of them. The far right pollutes the Repulican name, just as the far left pollutes the Democrats - but Americans are mostly bunched up around the center - and it's only by working together we'll make real changes.
- Don MacAskill
good post robert. unfortunately, most americans tend to vote with their heart, not with their head. karl rove has a much better sense of what gets votes than the dems, altho i hope that obama can ris above. still, i agree the issues you selected are pretty much the ones i care about too (particularly: education, immigation, infrastructure... healthcare too, but that needs a hell of a lot more work)
- dave mcclure
Robert, as I stated in my previous post, your own candidates admit the are not the right choice for the country.http://twurl.nl/h51657a... last but not least:http://twurl.nl/ezgmeoThis is your own candidates and your party speaking.Hard to beat your own facts.
- Thomas Capote
from twhirl
Other countries always did a good job in many fields, the difference is now Americans are paying attention to that. Big world out there.
- Adriano Gonçalves
+1 Don.
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Really good post. For a moment, I actually thought we'd have a policy debate this election, but we're back to celebrities, moose burgers & lipstick. I'd love to see a push to discuss these issues. (Of course, I also think the Democrats have better answers, but I'd still like to hear the debate anyway.)
- Paul Rodriguez
Education will never change under any Democrat. The Teachers Unions will see to that. Obama has already had to back off from any talk of vouchers, merit pay, and allowing capable people to teach whether or not they have a four-year education degree. Teachers Unions have crippled our educational system for decades and Democrats are the cause of that, not the solution.
- Dawn
Very well said. I immigrated to the US with the impression that this country is home to socially broad minded citizens who lead the world by breaking new frontiers. However the last few years of extreme social conservatism has disappointed me. We as a country seem less tolerent, race is still a major factor in almost everything, education is put down by using such words as "elite" etc. I hope we come out of this social nose dive and once again be world leaders we once were.
- Balakrishnan Satyamurti
Balakrishnan: "last few years of extreme social conservatism"??!! Are you kidding me? There are over 1 MILLION babies being aborted every year in the U.S. Gays and Lesbians are starting to marry. Animal rights are going up. Property rights are going down. Genetic engineering is increasing. What the country is most less tolerant of is religion. Yes, race is still a factor, but we've got...
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- Dawn
Supertramp – The Logical Song - http://www.last.fm/music...
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If John McCain is elected in November, I'm moving to Canada, and I plan on sleeping on Susan Sarandon's couch while Tim Robbins, Alec Baldwin and I start a punk band.
Matt Hamilton, Keke, edythe and 26 other people liked this
I call dibs on the spot under the coffee table. Seriously... I've already started looking for jobs in Canada just in case.
- Nine
You may want to reconsider -- we have our own idiot up here
- Brian Sullivan
I'm only half kidding. I really love Canada.
- Steve Isaacs
OK. I'll share rooms with Arianna Huffington. Who gets the task of bunking with Olbermann & his Easter Island-like head?
- Peter Ghosh
I really doubt McCain can win.
- Bill Sodeman
I don't blame you, but as Brian stated, we have Bush's butt buddy up here.
- Michael Forian
lol i would do the same!
- Dieter Schwarz
Better yet, lets start a Rock Band punk band.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
Aden: "The Democraps".
- Steve Isaacs
LOL!!
- Brad Nickel
More band names: "The Donkey Show", "Chad is Not Just a Country in Africa", "McCain Ain't Able", "Blewstate".
- Steve Isaacs
It's a long way to November, but I think Obama will manage an electioral victory. Not that Canada isn't a fine country.
- Chris Baskind
Make it a rap group w/ a leader named OSB - Ol' Senile Bastard
- Peter Ghosh
hahaha!
- Anna Haro
I'm headed in the other direction. Cabo San Lucas is always nice in the winter.
- Steven Perez
@Brian, our idiots are better idots then their idiots eh ?? LOL
- Peter Dawson
Yeah probably - we have middle of the road polite idiots and theirs are flaming idiots -- wait is polite really better?
- Brian Sullivan
@Brian, at least polite shows "class" :)-
- Peter Dawson
Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins said the same thing 4 years ago and they're still here.
- Trish R
Jane Says,"Idiots Rule!"
- Mark Forman
The Canada move has crossed my mind a number of times over the past few years. Seriously. Nova Scotia is nice and not too far away (I'm in NH). And Canadians don't seem to make a habit out of invading other countries. *shrugs*
- Joanmarie
+ MOAR BACON!
- Michael Forian
Well if Barack Obama is elected I'm moving to Canada.
- Jim Williams
Jim, please let us know where we can forward your mail. :)
- R. Ferguson
To those who think McCain will lose no he won't we just must mobilize and explain how wrong Obama would be.
- Cecil Sandus
Looks like we get new citizens no matter who wins in November. Don't forget, mortgages are not tax deductible here -- but lottery winnings are tax free. Sweet deal eh?
- David Muir
McCain will win after everyone figures out that Obama is a socialist.
- Barbara Davis
i dont care who wins, as long as we get full frontal nudity at some point.
- royce
if John McCain wins, you can all move in with me!
- Lauren P
Canada really rocks. I love living here. Toronto is sweet since your into big cities.
- Keke
I would never move to Canada. I heard the toilets flush the opposite way, that would just freak me out. Also, their houses have no doors. It's true.
- Pete Delucchi
I'm all aboot Canada. Soory if you don't appreciate it, eh?
- Steve Isaacs
The Twilight Backlash - http://www.businessweek.com/the_thr...
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I'm pretty disappointed and annoyed at how fickle these Twilight Saga fans are. It's pretty immature, IMO, but a lot of the Twilight fans are rather young. I think it's rather disrespectful of the author to react in this manner. I personally liked Breaking Dawn even though it didn't seem quite as strong as some of the other books in the series. Perhaps too many Twilight fans are used to the drama in Harry Potter book 7 that BD's relatively tame ending was too much of a shock.
- Cheryl Jones
Ahem. I meant it's disrespectful of the fans to react in this way against the author, not that the author was the one being disrespectful. Oops.
- Cheryl Jones
Olympics Opening Ceremony Fireworks 'Faked' on TV - http://blog.wired.com/gadgets...
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Walked downstairs, asked if we had spare LCD panel w/DVI support. Walked back upstairs w/monitor and correct cable. Like a store downstairs.
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Same here: more HDTVs, cables and computers in the house than the local Circuit City.
- Kevin C. Tofel
georges.w.bush admits the truth for the first time - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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- Mark Harris
great resource for presentations on social media if you need recent stats on usage http://beth.typepad.com/beths_b...
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Buff y fans - actual cartoon footage Joss + co cooked up for a Buffy animated series -- networks didn't, um, bite. http://snurl.com/39jem
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Maybe Cuil isn't supposed to be good. They must know that the results are bad, but they launched anyway. Maybe they aren't trying to build a full search engine, but just want to demo their crawling+indexing technology with the expectation that someone will buy the company and plug in better ranking.
Alexander Oelling, Torsten Eckert, ~C4Chaos and 84 other people liked this
Where "someone" = MSFT, who has already shown that they are willing to pay a lot for non-functional search engines.
- Paul Buchheit
That is what I was thinking, too.
- Robert Scoble
You'd think they'd work toward getting something relevant if you search on "cuil launch"
- Michael Markman
It's the only thing that makes sense when you look at how bad the results are. You don't roll out something like unless you are just showing off the interface.
- Kevin Bondelli
Would also explain the weak branding. Who cares, if it's just going to get plugged into something else?
- Chris Baskind
It must be so hard to launch something in a realm where there isn't much tolerance/patience for incremental improvement. The bar in this space is high and consumers are very picky. Look at Yahoo. Their search is actually pretty damn good. However, they keep losing share.
- Christopher Sacca
agree with Sacca - also, I thought the people behind Cuil had already sold some search technology to Google and hence they wanted to try it out on their own this time - so if anything they'd have more intent than others not to flip.
- Adam Kazwell
100% agree with Paul .... what they have launched really sucks and I don't think I would be going back again to search .... Sacca seems to be right that the bar is really high in this space and whatever gets launched really needs to work well or it will fail
- Raza
from Alert Thingy
It is also strange that Cuil has no presence on twitter or friendfeed. There is no friendfeed.com/cuil. There is a twitter.com/cuil account but no twitters there. It would be interesting to hear from someone at Cuil on the FriendFeed/Twitter as to why they launched with the poor results...
- Atul Arora
Yahoo's crawl speed is not close to GOOG.
- Michael
It's something, and a reasonable first step. Yes, the results aren't that great but they seem reasonably comprehensive. Their make-or-break will be showing continuous visible progress - if they don't, sure, they're just a $XXXm dog and pony show for another company too scared of Google to see straight, but if they do improve, there may be potential for even more upside than that.
- David Weekly
Google Killer? I do not even need to look to know the answer
- Mike Reynolds
maybe there could be business in opening up their index?
- Alex Gawley
I'm not saying that the results are good, but people seem overly critical. I saw one piece on how their name is too hard to spell. But if they did become popular, this would not remain a problem.
- Clare Dibble
It's embarrassing IMO. The results are thin and the images completely wrong. Not good is one thing ... Cuil seems a cut below not good right now.
- AJ Kohn
There results aren't -bad- but they are in no way great. Worse yet, anytime you start throwing around X-killer, you are pretty much setting yourself up for destruction.
- Steve Spalding
can a startup beat google with a link-based algorithmic search engine? msft's cashback.com is an example of changing the game. trovix.com's deep semantic indexing is changing the game. same for thefind.com. mahalo human-powered engine is too. Who else?
- Tim Connors
Paul, maybe they launched because they believed gathering data and feedback from the public would help them improve their ranking and other aspects of their service? I don't think that their ranking is anywhere near as good as Google's right now. But, there's no a priori reason to believe that Cuil ranking won't improve quickly. Anna, Russell, et.al. are actually pretty sharp. I for one am excited to see another player in search with new ideas about infrastructure and user experience.
- Kevin Scott
They of all people should have known to release with fast results (latency).. The fact that they did not surprises me, and had the exact effect I would expect.. I have no plans on going back, good results or not.. :)
- Derek Collison
Does "launch early" work for search engines? Don't think so..
- Jing Lim
One of the nice things about Google is the speed they index. Consider the indexing of a blog post made yesterday: Google already picked up the post and Cuil has not. http://www.cuil.com/search... VERSUS http://www.google.com/search... Google shows 367 results and that is trouble for Cuil. They'll need to work on that quickly to convince people they are being serious.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
it's about as useful as Archie(Gopher ref)
- clarke thomas
considering I got server overloaded errors when I tried it at first, I'd have to say launching early was a big error in judgement.
- sean808080
The indexing speed of Google and other search engines is pretty good, but another area that needs fixing is when content moves. It takes a long time for Google to catch up. Example: Let's say you move your blog or an early well-praised site goes stale, many search engines have trouble adjusting their rankings to the new site or to push down the older one.
- Loren Heiny
Trouble is that indexing and ranking are closely linked. If all you return is a hitlist there's no good ranking that can be done. Can't yet tell whether they're in that situation. What I don't get is why the rush to launch now.
- Daniel Dulitz
I read similar thoughts on Reddit yesterday and they made some sense... is there any chance all the negative buzz right now is going to hurt their buyability though?
- Philipp Lenssen
IMHO there have to be better ways to show off your very own crawling+indexing technologies than opening up to the public and getting thrashed for not delivering what people expect when you dub your service search engine. I have a hard time believing that the cuil/cuill guys did not know what they were doing though ... Were they pushed to release by financiers? Were they in dire need of usage data?
- Mustafa K. Isik
I do think they built Cuil to be bought. The reason they launched is they hoped their valuation will go up with all the press blitz... Which seems pretty well planned.... I think they went overboard selling themselves to the press and did not expect some of the back-lash. Of course, the saying goes - "All press is good press :)". So who knows this might indeed increase their valuation to 100s of millions :). It all depends on what the folks over at MSFT think/know about search :))
- Bindu Reddy
someone cough microsoft cough
- Sarah Perez
M$ bait! ah ha!! Bindu and Sarah, you're on to something there!!
- Susan Beebe
I liked this thread so much that I blogged it: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008...
- Erick Schonfeld
As of yesterday, they didn't even have their own name indexed: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Brady Brim-DeForest
actually, they are off to a decent start. They have a nice interface that needs work, and some results are good and many others bad. I can tell you it takes about a year to getting your feet under you and figure out where you can fit in the search ecosystem. They are funded for a three year run it seems, so I would give them a year and see where the product is at.
- Jason Calacanis
grabbing contextual images process is too weird! (o_O)
- Pınar Yanardağ
great discussion. the more I've read about the various GRAVE screw-ups (with porn images being linked to some people's bios, etc.), the more I tend to agree that they must have known that things weren't ready. It just feels too much like a prototype... Thus the buy-out scenario seems plausible. Who knows, buying their indexing technology could actually give a boost to MSFT or even Yahoo, given that they have a hard time keeping up on the tech/scale side of search. One thing we do know is that Google...
- Alex Schleber
... isn't going to buy them :) I wrote a post on the branding aspect of the Cuil debacle earlier today -> http://businessmindhacks.com/post... but now I'm not so sure anymore if they were even serious about the whole thing. Maybe they're having a hearty laugh right now that no one is getting the joke. If they are serious though, it's a horrible launch and horrible branding.
- Alex Schleber
Is it possible that they might be taking advantage of the disconnect between mainstream and social media? Cuil has made it in the news but to what extent has the negativity made it to the mainstream? If people get their news outside of the social media circle (which, as we are all quickly discovering, is a vast majority) and only hear that "Google killer Cuil has launched today" but...
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- Derick Valadao
I think it is tough doing a PR launch. I think the obsession with dropping a nuke over the PR is an helpful one. Mightily prefer to build it up over weeks and months of relationship building but most importantly great execution and a great product.
- azeem
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- Stephen Pierzchala
yeah you can tell why these guys aren't at google anymore
- Chris Harris
Their system setups is interesting. How they index only Sports data on select databases and so on. Also why do they display results in 2/3 columns? It's so hard to follow that
- Bartek Ciszkowski
What amazes me is that we, bloggers, started to hype the search engine based on what the company was willing to share - without even taking it a test run. And now many will have to admit they were too positive when it was not deserved.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
for real
- Sarah Perez
Svetlana: all it took is for me to do a single search on it for me to see that it just wasn't going to stand up to a deep analysis. I'm very glad I am getting off of the PR treadmill of "keep up with Mashable and Techcrunch and write about everything based on press releases." Why is this on CNN and NPR already? They have a good PR team, that's why. Played!
- Robert Scoble
Not ready for prime time. Great press kills a bad product faster. Apologies to Bill Bernbach.
- Dave Martin
In this day and age, is there really room for a new search engine? I'm all for innovation but the likelihood of someone making a sizeable dent in Google's market share or even challenging Live Search is quite low, no?
- Dave Stevens
Lesson: Don't go for big press until you're ready. One of my VC friends advises people only to go for ~5,000 users in the beginning (so many beginners want traffic, traffic, traffic). Then you can test your product, change the interface, etc... before you get into a "New Coke" and "old Coke" situation. 5,000 is enough to give your product/website a good testing, and avoids this Cuil failure.
- Mitchell Tsai
trying searching Cuil for itself. http://www.cuil.com/search... :)
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I'm unimpressed by Cuil. It's not how big their index is, it's about how accurate their results are. From my early experiments, I don't get what I'm searching for -- isn't that what a search engine is supposed to do?
- wrecks
I also think that it is early for Cuil to launch, but it is good that some people are trying to create alternatives to Google’s tyranny in search. Without any competition in their core business, Google will eventually become the next Microsoft
- Kerem Ozkan
mmmm... I wonder why so much hype around of _utility_ ? search has been utility for years, yet everyone and his dog into PR for yet-another-search... was it GOOG price on IPO which makes you blind repeaters? try to remember how many startups you've seen recently in major continent-wide utility business, like electricity or water supply? yes, none... oh, yeah, law & rules are not written for bloggers... they can even refuse math and other natural science ;)
- A.T.
Not impressed. While the layout for results is pretty, it doesn't give me any information. Ran a search on my own site - Dad info - and it got the bloody thumbnail wrong :( Dig a little deeper on a search where you know the net landscape well (eg vanity search) and the results are often bizarre - the photos acommpanying the SERPS are irrelevant/random/wierd. Can't help thinking that the next generation of search will be people centric rather than page centric - I can find more interesting stuff on FF.
- Tom Beardshaw
i saw an insert on BBC news today on this, went over to do vanity search just to test, back came some old articles of comments i left last year on tech blogs, now it's unavailable, plus the dark background is awful ;( FAIL!
- Mario Olckers
I got 2 searches in last night - disappointed with results - and then it crashed and 'went down for maintenance' - yeah, not overwhelmingly impressed.
- Lucretia Pruitt
Harsh but somewhat fair criticism. That said no service has ever been perfect when rushed *glares at twitter*
- Mo Kargas
may be
- accesine
Despite other criticism: I like the relaxed feel of the 3-column presentation in Cuil. Cuil, Viewzi, and identi.ca have relaxing and comforting front pages (nice color scheme).
- Mitchell Tsai
@Mitchell - There's something wrong if the best thing 'bout a website is the color scheme
- Yuvi
@Robert: They obviously have a great PR team - making everyone repeat their claims of how great the product is. And I am glad I have decided to wait until it is live and do a search before hyping it myself - I would have felt it was unfair to our readers otherwise.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: This is what happens when the marketing dept moves faster than the tech dept. Often it's the reverse. Hard to coordinate the two.
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: True but I feel it is not really lack of coordination and instead it is a deliberate move to get all the positive coverage they can and hope no one will see the problems. After all, as a marketing person myself I don't think they are unable to notice the irrelevant results themselves.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana: Since the "glamor self-search" results work well for university professors and some famous people, I think it's a miscalculation from having too small a test group (since they've been concerned with a stealth launch). They probably didn't test enough middle-level people (e.g. me with only 47,000 pages on Google) to see the problems.
- Mitchell Tsai
Rather than a stealth launch, It seems that in this case a better process would have been (1) alpha-launch, generate buzz by selectively letting in tech bloggers, test their stuff, make bloggers feel good by being in on something early, about 200-500 people (2) private beta-launch, quiet, limited to 5,000 people (3) New York Times launch. - I think their team was too cocky (e.g. we're smarter), not realizing they would shoot themselves in the foot.
- Mitchell Tsai
I went to work this afternoon to get away from the Crewl Cuil conversation. What were the teachers talking about ? Cuil. *sigh*
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Mitchell: Very true, when I read they decided they were ready for everyone on day 1 and decided not to add beta to the logo, I was very excited - finally someone dares to launch a working product from the beginning. And after actually trying it out I could not understand why they chose not to go with private beta the way you describe. It could have potential but it definitely is not ready for prime time yet.
- Svetlana Gladkova
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salmon enjoying kitesurfing... wow!
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Is this real or some US Airforce drone flying over Canada? LMAO
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@gregory, I think they'll also be bent over a bit further as well, given increasing costs...
- Mo Kargas
lol, I always chuckle thinking about a proximity sensor that would alert me if I'm about to walk into a pole.
- Frankie Warren
praying hands...wasn't that a devo song?
- sean808080
Do you really get to a point that you can type on the thing with your thumbs? After 10 days with mine, I don't see that day coming any time soon. I am still a strictly one pointer finger gal. I can't even select a recent call in the list with my thumb without accidentally calling 3 people I didn't mean.
- Judi Sohn
Judi yes I can type with my thumbs very quickly.
- Steve Rubel
Judi you will do. I can do about 50 words per minute quite comfortable using two thumbs (and my thumbs are big). In fact, using my index fingers feels plain weird now.
- Jamie
Hunched shoulder are already a national problem.
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