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holly #ravingfangirl
ಠ_ಠ Luckily, this streak ends after this week.
ಠ_ಠ  Luckily, this streak ends after this week.
Vacation? - Julian
yes, finally. - holly #ravingfangirl
Going anywhere? - Kristin
home part of the time, in Vegas for a conference/a bit of vacation. - holly #ravingfangirl
:( :(
Cancer claims another one much too soon. - Julian
:( - maʀtha
holly #ravingfangirl
I will be right over with the chips and salsa. - Julian
How much did that cost, if you don't mind me asking? - Meg VMeg
Now I want some ceviche - Rodfather from Android
wow - Meg VMeg
LB: Lyrical Jesse James
1) Have idea. 2) Open Google in a new tab. 3) Promptly forget what I was going to search for. 4) #sideeye
yup. that. - jambina
*nods* - Julian
God, I'm glad it's not just me - Spidra Webster
Just hop to Amazon or Ebay, something will entice your search efforts. - Janet
Oh yeah. - Heather
SHINY THINGS - jambina
I do this at least once a day. - ellbeecee
*bumpity* - LB: Lyrical Jesse James from Android
You were about to search for ophthalmologists with a specialty in sideeye. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
So what ever happened to _______________ ?
Vera Lane - Stephen Mack
Baby Jane - Stephen Mack
leaving on a jet plane - Stephen Mack
The Arkham asylum for the criminally insane - Slippy: Potato Croquette
Don MacLean. - Melly
Fay Wray - Spidra Webster
that one lady from that one movie with the thing in that place - Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart from Android
Poppin fresh - Mo Kargas
The Man of Tomorrow - Mark Trapp
..predictability? The milk man, the paper boy, evening TV? - Kristin from iPhone
my youth - Janet
Saturday night - Melly from FFHound!
GeoCities - John (bird whisperer)
past ff users - chaz2b
the Mittani - Eivind from Android
the American dream. - Melly
Snapple root beer soda...or Diet Air. - April Russo
New Coke. - Joe
that boy - Victor Ganata
my mind - Greg GuitarBuster
my pants - chaz2b
Powdered orange flavored chemicals (think Crystal Light or other similar stuff) - April Russo
pop rocks - chaz2b
Friendster - Julian
Friendships take work in order to appropriately maintain them. This is going to seem weird to read, but... in what form does said work take? I am not asking for a friend; I am shamelessly asking for myself.
Depends on the friend. - Meg VMeg
Keeping in contact can be a big one - making sure you drop a line from time to time to see how they're doing (phone, email, letters, text, whatever.) Also, trying to make sure to see them from time to time in person if you live near (lunch, movie, walk.) - Jennifer Dittrich
One of the big ones is letting the other person be your friend, and letting them be a full person, with feelings and problems and triumphs of their own. - lris
Basically, trust is hard, people are hard -- people/friends are hard and therefore are work. Demonstrating trust is key. - lris
Part of the "work" IMHO is initiating. We decided that we had to be the ones to plan and make thing happen among our friend. So we call and e-mail to make regular dinner plans or other activities not waiting for calls that might never come... I think in every circle there are one or two people who initiate and others who are pleased and happy to not have to. - WarLord
^^^ This for sure. - lris
I have some emails to send -- one at a time. Starting tomorrow. (I say this too often.) - Julian
Steven Perez
If these guys are having trouble playing football in the Brazilian humidity, I can't wait to see how they're gonna handle the 100+ degree desert heat of Qatar.
they were playing in the pouring rain yesterday. - MAMA VAL#GOSCARLETTGO
Yeah, but it's a dry heat. They'll be fine. - Mark H
That's a little bit better than trying to hoof it in an average of 105 degrees. That's like running around in a blast furnace. - Steven Perez
I predict that the championship match of 2022 will take place at the Rose Bowl. - Julian
About the dry heat? When I was in Bahrain and Dubai it was actually humid. It's not like Arizona. It's freaking hot - Christina Pikas from iPhone
t-ra: WeirdnessSandwich
Something is going on. So far this afternoon one guy called me and two others texted. Why suddenly coming out of the woodwork? Is it because I vacuumed? Also, always with the things in threes. Well played, Universe.
Friday the 13th + full moon + Mercury in retrograde. Talk about threes... - Julian
I might have just cackled. - Akiva
RT @charles270: Wayne Rooney looks like Cotton Hill
I just see hair plugs? - Julian
SOTI — When You Write Your Essays in Programming Languages -
SOTI — When You Write Your Essays in Programming Languages
C++. Ha. - Julian from Bookmarklet
Sports I like to watch on TV: basketball, soccer, horse racing. & soccer's the only thing I'll ever watch intentionally in Spanish :-)
I just switched it over to Univision. Thanks for the reminder. - Julian
NO ONE calls the games like the Univision guys. And I only understand about 3% of what they're saying. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Time to watch El Tri possibly get upset.
Already feels like Cameroon is getting help... - Julian
Disallowed again. - Julian
17 June 1994. Wow. That was 20 years ago.
#stopit. I have vivid recollection of the 60's. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Next Tuesday, ESPN Classic will be showing the 30 for 30 about that day. - Julian
"Classic" *sigh* I dunno. D-Day, 9/11, King's Assassination (as well as Kennedy's), The Detroit Riots, Mt. St. Helen, The Tsunami, 3 Mile Island. Memorable days and times. The Bronco Slow Speed Chase? Doesn't quite do it for me. I'd argue that it ushered in reality TV though, that and the subsequent trial. It gave us Greta Whatshername, Nancy Grace (I think), and sundry others. I'm no... more... - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
it's also 4 days before my dad died. I'd rather think about my dad than the car chase. - Stephan!e•CogSc!L!brar!an
Those of us who don't remember the '60s have somewhat slimmer pickings, I think, though I'd put in a vote for the Challenger explosion and the fall of the Berlin Wall and the Rodney King verdict. 15 January 1991 is a big one for me personally, as it was the first big political defeat for something I'd worked on (the day Congress voted to authorize the use of force in the Persian Gulf). - laura x
June 17 will always be a big day! And it ain't got nuttin to do with OJ. :-D ETA: Also, how weird that this year that stuff is equidistant from birth to present for me. - Kirsten
Good examples all, Laura with an x. And I'm not saying that you have had to lived though those times to consider them memorable (or perhaps, significant). D-Day was decades before me. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
I'm so tempted to quote Robin Williams: If you remember the 60s, you weren't really there. Although, admittedly, some folks had richer pharmexperiences than others. - Walt Crawford
Well yeah Walt. Most of my memories have to do with grade school and baseball practice. But I dig where you're coming from, daddy. - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Well, I figure also there's historically important and then there's memorable and important to me because I remember where I was and what I was doing. I do, as it happens, remember the slow-speed chase, because I came home and my mother was watching it and I asked her what was going on (we never turned the TV on), and then she had to explain to me who OJ Simpson was. I got through 18 years of life with no idea, and I've spent the next 20 trying to forget. - laura x
It interrupted the basketball game so I was mad. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
I was working in the sports department of a daily at the time. We brought up the live shots on the TV and were watching it. Someone asked, 'I wonder what he's going to do?' The sports editor said, 'I don't care what he does as long as he does it before deadline.' - Akiva
I remember a few things from the 60's, but not much that would be considered memorable or significant to others, except for the first moon landing, and only because I was upset that they interrupted Underdog to to show it. And that whole OJ thing just had to happen. Pogs had come back to popularity, and there was no way you could have had "OJ in the Slammer" unless it did. (yeah, I have one of those put away somewhere) - April Russo
Victor Ganata
I sometimes wonder if developers shit on CPRS/VistA not because it doesn't work well, but because hardly anyone knows how to program in MUMPS and everyone would rather use whatever the programming language flavor of the month is.
IIRC, most of the people who know MUMPS live in Wisconsin. - Julian
It's like people assume that because it's a hierarchical database, not a relational database, that it's automatically bad. - Victor Ganata
Or that because the GUI front end is written in Delphi, that it must be bad. - Victor Ganata
^ but anything in Delphi is bad, eh? - непростые коротышки
It's surprisingly not as horrible as you might expect :D - Victor Ganata
^ +1. - 9000
Amazon launching streaming music service tomorrow.
Amazon launching streaming music service tomorrow.
I wonder how well it will work with a Sansa... [it was a joke, people] - Julian
I can put it down any time I want...
Whenever I take my eyes away from it, the text on the screen gets a bit... smaller... - Julian
Meg VMeg
I can't tell Bill Nye from Max Headroom.
One's Canadian - DJF from Android
bill nye is cooler and more awesome - Sir Shuping is just sir
Bill Nye stutters more. - Akiva
Only one is Canadian? Huh. - Meg VMeg
DJF said atleast one is Canadian, both might be. - Joe
One sold Pepsi. - Betsy
One is a real live science guy; the other is portrayed by an actor who portrays a scientist on another series. - Julian
They are both the A-Team's "Murdock" in their respective fields. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
Holy shit, they're both Murdock. - Meg VMeg
*laugh* - Betsy
Question for the hive mind. Is a Costco membership worth it if one extremely rarely needs to buy large quantities of anything?
It's been many years since i've been to one, but they used to have clothes, books, electronics, and other single-item things, too. They'll usually let you in once to check the place out, so if you do that you'll have a better idea. - Kirsten from Android
not everything is in mass quantities. also? BEST TAKE-AWAY PIZZA ALIVE. - Big Joe Silence
A gallon of milk is $1 less than the grocery. Gas is cheaper, too. And clothing is good if you wear average sizes - Christina Pikas from iPhone
Is it easy to get to? Do you have a car? Do you have a large freezer/closet? How well do you tolerate maneuvering a shopping cart in extremely crowded/chaotic conditions? - Meg VMeg
Definitely worth it for fuel prices alone. Now that I've quit the bottled water I really only buy toiletries (mouthwash, toothpaste, razors), fresh produce, and fuel. So worth it. - Lnorigb from FFHound!
I prefer my pizza dead, thankyouverymuch. - Akiva
I live and work relatively close (within 10-15 miles) to at least five different Costco locations. I do not have a ton of extra space at home, though. However, Costco does offer other services... - Julian
I find it worth it for toiletries, electronics, etc. also, good fish often and meat. heck, we even got my engagement ring there (at a pretty incredible price). - Sarah from FreshFeed
Depends. We find the parking impossible and our store...unpleasant, so we haven't joined (but did fill one $$prescription$$ there: you don't have to be a member). My brother loves it. - Walt Crawford
I've never lived anywhere with enough storage to buy many bulk items, but when I had a Costco membership I still found it absolutely worthwhile. - Starmama from FFHound(roid)!
Prescription glasses are also very inexpensive compared to regular chain pricing. I joined only for the cat litter, everything else (coffee, paper towels, toilet paper) are a given. I also buy bulk nuts there and make my own mixed snacks. Yes, worth it. - Janet
Y'all are convincing me that we should buy a membership. - Greg GuitarBuster
Oh I forgot all about bulk trail mix! Nuts, raisins, craisins, and peanut m&ms. Theirs is decent but making my own is better. Cos I'll add mac nuts when they have the cans. And I forgot to mention their two-pack trash bags. I don't think my family knows other stores sell trash bags. ;) - Lnorigb from FFHound!
I have both Costco and Sam's Club memberships, and they're worth it for me, but I'm there once a month and I have three adults in my house that I'm shopping for. I have a lot of friends and family who only rarely need to go there, so I just take them with me when they need to go. Saves them the headache of signing up, dealing with spam, and feeling guilty about a membership that only... more... - Hookuh Tinypants
Also, don't feel pressured into using it for things you don't intend to. Some shit you don't need to buy in bulk but you feel compelled to anyway because it's there. It's wasteful. The only time it works for a single person is if you and a few friends want to go in on something together. I have let my club memberships lapse multiple times because you find that you just don't need that shit and you don't have the patience to deal with the crowds. - Hookuh Tinypants
Someone with a costco membership could buy a gift card for you to use. - Andrew C (✔)
^ how does that work? if you have a gift card you can go in and shop even if you're not a member? - Marie
^not in my costco - still need to be a member, even if you have a gift card. FWIW, I would not go to the one in Beltsville - crowded and I swear every time I'm there, someone runs over my ankles with their cart. They drive their cars in the parking lot as badly. The ones in arundel mills and columbia are nice. I haven't been to the new one off of New York ave. The Frederick one is small.. Not sure where the other ones are you're considering. - Christina Pikas
Hmm. I may have misunderstood how it works, or maybe it was local to my area. - Andrew C (✔)
Wheaton is the closest to home. - Julian
Here's a post saying the policy varies: http://getfreegiftcardsonline.... - Andrew C (✔)
All the ones in my area allow it without the gift card and cannot charge the 5% fee for non-membership (California state law). They are also a little more liberal about allowing day passes for purchases, especially since by California state law they cannot charge a membership fee for people to be able to purchase alcohol. YAY ABC actually did something COOL in this state for once! - Hookuh Tinypants
To summarize: it depends. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
It was a good deal when we lived a little closer. Now we don't go very often. But they have the best price on Oscar's heart medication and we still get gas there occasionally. - Joe Hardy from Android
Meg VMeg
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh, Orphan Black is shot in Toronto! It looks familiar now.
For some reason, I kept thinking that the Dyad Institute was in Minnesota. - Julian
I did it. I just downloaded 2048. Goodbye, productivity.
Already sucked in. - Julian
Hours later, still on it... - Julian
I finally beat it a week or so ago, after taking a long break. I think they changed the algorithm, too? - Meg VMeg
Already getting close. Up to 1024, and went past 10k points. - Julian
There. Finally beat the game. 22,340 points. (Yeah... I kind of didn't put it down.) - Julian
8 hours. Wow. - Betsy
Madden 15 to feature San Francisco 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick's tattoos - ESPN -
Madden 15 to feature San Francisco 49ers QB Colin Kaepernick's tattoos - ESPN
Interesting story about ownership of body art. - Julian from Bookmarklet
Zulema ❧ spicy cocoa tart
Tetris is 29+1.
Or 1E. - Julian
Sarah G.
Instead of "the benevolent" or "the holy" I think the current pope is gonna be remembered as "Francis of the No Fucks Given."
By the strictest definition of the station within the church, is this not indeed the case for every pope? - Julian
Well, in recent times. A couple medieval and Renaissance ones had families. - Sarah G.
Kind of makes you wonder if he is the fulfillment of St Malachy's prophecy. - sglassme
I think so! Pleasant surprise that it seems to mean that he's cleaning house and not causing Armageddon. - Sarah G.
I'm amused by the dynamic in which Francis says something kind of edgy (well, edgy for a church official), and then the Vatican spokesman tries to explain it away. - John (bird whisperer)
Meg VMeg
<3 - RepoRat
yes you are!!! - maʀtha
so close... - jambina
I am resisting all urges here to be funny... - Julian
That really is one of those "can't unsee it" images. - Catherine Pellegrino
Apparently, the architect was shooting for "peacock". Seriously. - DJF from Android
Turkey. Totally. - maʀtha
Is that cranberry sauce I see? Perhaps stuffing? - Julian
It's a seriously fantastic space. Great signage. - Meg VMeg
If you head a block west from there, along Harbord street to just past Spadina, you'll find Bakka Books, the best science fiction bookstore in Canada. - DJF from Android
BMV on Bloor just west of Spadina is also a huge cornucopia used/remainder bookstore. - John Dupuis
Sir Shuping is just sir
happy birthday to the one, the owliest...kendra!
Happy birthday! - John (bird whisperer)
Happy Birthday Kendra! - Hedgehog
Happy birthday :) - Pete
Happy, happy birthday! - Galadriel C.
OWL!!! Er... happy birthday! - Julian
Happy Birthday!! - Katy S from iPhone
Happy birthday, Kendra! - Jenny H. from Android
Happy birthday! - Jennifer Dittrich
Happy birthday, Kendra! - Anne Bouey
WHO? Who? WHO? - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
OMG itss your birthday? How did i not know this? - LibrarianOnTheLoose
Happy birthday - Eric - Back to the Grill
thanks y'all! i'm actually surprised anybody remembered. i kinda forgot! - kendrak
HAPPY KENDRA DAY! - MoTO: Tufted Coqeutte
Somebody needs to ask, "Now that we know you think that it's on to tell jokes with the word 'slut' in them on stage at a national conference, what other kinds of jokes so you think are appropriate in that setting?"
Also, I'm now wondering, when was the last time a male professional comedian used that word in his routine? Because Stephen might actually have been unprofessional in TWO professions. - DJF from Android
He also thinks it's funny to make racist jokes about people's last names, as of last year when my co-worker walked out of his presentation. - lris
Folks. Any one think this is NEW behaviour? This is a Donald Sterling Situation. Many I think knew he was like this, it was just done with someone willing to share it. - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
Iris, he WHAT??? Oh my god! - DJF from Android
Oh, I don't think this is new at all. One of my first impressions of him was from sitting in the audience while he put up a picture of his daughter in a bustier. Nobody laughed. He was disappointed in us. - lris
And that's when he doesn't have a few drinks in him.... - Mary Carmen
I've heard stories about inappropriate behaviour at conference adjacent social events, but never on stage. I have long judged him for the things I already knew about. - DJF from Android
Both of my examples were on stage, DJF. - lris
Iris, I understand. I meant that I've never seen him behave like that on stage before. But then I mostly avoid his talks because they're either out of date or vendor pitches disguised as keynotes. - DJF from Android
I think Mo nailed it. The only real surprise here is that there are still organizations that feel comfortable having Abram as their public face. - Steele Lawman
I'm not surprised. Until people complain then probably they either a) don't know or b) think that no-one cares. That's why everyone (by which I mean primarily people who aren't directly targeted/affected) need to speak up early and often to make them know that we do care. (And maybe doing this will prevent the idea cementing in speakers' own heads that doing these things is okay.) Silence is complicity. - Deborah Fitchett
I am seeing on Facebook that there are people for whom this is all news. - DJF from Android
The online librarian world is a still a microcosm. Just because the news travels around the world fast doesn't mean it hits all the spots between hops. - Andy
I'll probably get yelled at for taking this to Tangentville, but one of the things that bothers me is the unprofessional behavior in calling SA out on, well, unprofessional behavior. It's not like the inappropriate actions of one party gives a free pass to everyone else in commenting, remarking, and otherwise reacting to the transgression. (This is from shit I've seen on Twitter in... more... - Andy
I'm with you on the grand moral scale, Andy, but on the scale where Abram wields more power and influence than most of us combined--well, sometimes power and privilege can only be attacked via unprofessional means. - laura x from iPhone
I'm hemming and hawing at that, Laura, but I see your point. My question then becomes whether giving up the moral high ground is the best course of action. I don't see what slinging mud gets you except just as dirty. It shifts from a moment of responding to unprofessionalism with professionalism to just a bandwagon beatdown. - Andy
I must be missing the really cool tweets. I see a fair amount of anger and disappointment, a little mild snarkiness, and maybe a sense that SA has been High Keynoter of Librarianship a bit too long. I haven't seen behavior that struck me as inappropriate *on a social network.* - Walt Crawford
And, frankly, "bandwagon beatdown" is starting to sound to me like an implicit defense for the offense and for SA: Without the "bandwagon" it just goes away. As has been happening for decades (not specifically him). I think more people saying "No, this was wrong, and the apology was worse" is essential. - Walt Crawford
"Sometimes the best you can hope for is to make the sons of bitches look bad." - Meg VMeg
Walt: the 'beatdown bandwagon' is part of my question about the benefits of abandoning the moral high ground. It's the difference between a group of people stepping up to say "this behavior is unacceptable and we are going to take steps to insure that it doesn't happen again in the future by insisting on better choices" versus "this behavior is unacceptable and we are going to take steps to insure that it doesn't happen again in the future by beating the shit out the offender as a public spectacle". - Andy
If people are using language about him like the language that he used, that's not so cool (and yet it's also not as bad, because *he used it as a powerful speaker in front of heaps of people*). If people are making substantive threats, that's really not cool and also a police matter. But if people are merely (as I've seen) saying vocally and maybe sometimes angrily that what he said was... more... - Deborah Fitchett
Shorter me: I need specific examples or at least description in order to read your comment as anything other than a tone argument. - Deborah Fitchett
I found them as part of a Twitter search for "abram" earlier this afternoon. For the most part, the reactions I've seen have been in the latter category that Deborah describes. I don't have any problems with that. But there are ones that fit into that first category. - Andy
I've seen some swearing, which I'm not entirely comfortable with. And I admit I have wondered today at what point the big pile on becomes harassing in itself. I think it is a valid question. - maʀtha
I also still think the initial comment was absolutely unacceptable and that the apology is lame & ineffective, that he doesn't really accept responsibility for his behavior. So, yeah. - maʀtha
+++martha - Andy
Well, I don't know about all the plus signs :) I'm still pissed off and I totally understand other people being pissed off. - maʀtha
It's agreement. :) - Andy
Interesting. I tried an "abram" search and found myself drowning in references to somebody's son AbRam and other stuff. Other than "Satan Librarian," still didn't find anything inappropriate re SA. - Walt Crawford
I suspect that, for some of us who've been around for a while, the possibility that SA's apparent Teflon coating may be wearing thin is too good to pass up. Which may not be moral high ground, but hey, most of us are just people. - Walt Crawford
Walt: So, are you saying "I didn't see it, therefore it did not happen"? As someone who by their own admission does not give me the benefit of the doubt, I'm curious as to the motivations for your nitpicking. I'm feeling that if someone else in this group had said it, you would be taking them at their word. - Andy from Android
Maybe I am, and maybe that's unfair. If a few people have gotten "inappropriate" in criticizing SA, that may (OR MAY NOT) be unfortunate--but not too surprising at this point. And I do know that Twitter moves too fast to do anything like comprehensive look-backs. Sorry. - Walt Crawford
I appreciate it. I'm not trying to defend SA; I'm just looking at a particular subset of the reactions that I find distasteful. I will concede that they are a minority of the tweets, that I don't fall into a tone de-rail, and that what matters here is what happens in the future. - Andy
Unfortunately, I can place a bet on what will happen in the future (by 2015): SA will continue to be in Hot Demand as a speaker (and probably on every CI/IL program) because he does such awesome PPTs. Once you're on top, it's remarkably difficult to be unseated. - Walt Crawford
Is he going to be in Vegas later this month? - Julian
Walt, which is why the high visibility "pile on" is important. It makes it more difficult for people to claim they didn't know about this behaviour. - DJF from Android
*nod* - maʀtha
Walt, under most circumstances, I'd agree with you on this. In the 21st century, i do have my concerns that the gossip rounds going to a (sort of) international audience, with various degrees of interpretations and extrapolations has some broader implications than you are admitting to. It doesn't really pass Kant's universality test (to me), for instance. That's a broad philosophical... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Note that I'm all for the "pile on"--it's the best chance of seeing some lasting change. - Walt Crawford
Ohhhh Walt, I'd like to see some causal connection to that last statement. As a counterfactual, I suggest Eric Montpetit's "Misplaced Mistrust" and Baumgartner and Jones "Politics of Attention" that suggests pile ons can and do lead to some disastrous policy effects in the long run. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
1. Can't offer causals. 2. It may depend on the "pile on." For many people, some with their own high standing, to point out the error of SA's ways seems likely to have more lasting effect than for everybody to say "ho hum, it's been two days and a couple people were distasteful, let's move on." Note that I've been scare-quoting "pile on." What I hope for is widespread recognition that this stuff was bullshit 35 years ago and it's even worse bullshit now. - Walt Crawford
(Pardon the possibly distasteful language.) - Walt Crawford
Well, I think "it may depend on what the "pile on" is important. For instance, "Groupthink" is often criticized for policy disasters, but the evidence suggests that high cohesion is not more responsible for failures than other factors. However, "feedback" effects based on what captures our attention, can create real policy problems. For instance, violence on the news tends to capture... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
On the other hand, I think that the so-called "pile-on" has been dead on in other areas. Most recently the story of Rob Ford in Toronto. In my ideal world, there would be a limited "pile-on" (which these days is not feasible as we cannot control the Internet), with a judicious use of limited formal institutions to deal with these issues. Policies around harassment and appropriate... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
Wait. Do you honestly think that children placed in protective custody fair worse than they do when they live with the people who rape or otherwise abuse them? Really? - Katy S from iPhone
This thread has gotten way off the rails, so let me try to guide it back by saying that Stephen Abram is a dipstick. - Steele Lawman
Katy - that is a HUGE extrapolation of what I said. I said that our concern for child abuse results in more child protective services which in turn results in more kids taken from their homes for all purposes, because at least in Canada, the burden of proof for such cases is (rightly) much lower for protective services. But yes, I have it from a number of very prominent former deputy... more... - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I'll admit this is a hot button issue for me. Here, the goal is to always place kids with family when possible. So, perhaps the laws and regulations are a bit different. But, I found the analogy a bit off for this case, anyway, for a variety of reasons - Katy S from iPhone
Back to Abrahm: I find it interesting that someone who felt the need, at several points, to call for civility could rationalize that joke as appropriate in a professional context. - Katy S from iPhone
I guess what I'm saying is ... should Abram ever be the focus of a whole whack of people's attention librarian or no? It's like how Carrottop and Pauly Shore are so unfunny that they become famous for how unfunny they are. The end result is more Carrottop and Pauly Shore, while other more important stuff (including how society should deal with child protective services) are ignored. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
I don't think Abram is the whole focus; Abram is a particular case of some generally ugly undercurrents in librarianship generally and High Powered Consultant Librarianship in particular. I'm also concerned and unhappy that this conversation is turning into a bingo card. E.g. ryanish's comment struck me as a textbook . - RepoRat
Thanks, RR: I deliberately avoided the whole "silencing" issue because I think it has more resonance from those who have to cope with it--but I also believe it's absolutely legitimate. (Unfortunately, I lack John Scalzi's writing talents...) - Walt Crawford
Dude, I think the guy is a dipstick, but his name is Abram, no S. Let us have authority control in our pile on, or whatever the hell this is. - laura x
Sorry about that. Edited my comment! - RepoRat
I'll take your tone policing and raise you two pluralistic discourse theories and 10 positivist counter-factuals, RR! I should have stopped at the book recommendations I suppose. Thanks. (I also edited my comment.) - ɥsıuɐʎɹ
What RR said about the bingo card. - Rachel Walden
Anyone else noticed that the "pile on" essentially stopped about a day ago? Anyone want to take bets as to any actual consequences for SA? Or RR's HPCL in general? (High Powered Consultant Librarianship...) - Walt Crawford
Hahaha consequences hahaha. - Deborah Fitchett
Aaron the Librarian
Innovative Interfaces acquires VTLS Huh, how about that.
imho VTLS has had some of the most forward-thinking apporaches and products over the years... basically VTLS is/was the Cadillac of ILSes - Aaron the Librarian
So with the acquisition of Polaris and VTLS should we expect the best damn ILS ever from III in the next few years? - ♫Jorge Covert, Trainer♫
Or the demise of polaris and VTLS product lines, replaced by ... [insert adjective] [inset noun] - Aaron the Librarian
We just got off of VTLS before going to WMS. Uh, Cadillac? Maybe we were doing it wrong? Our Virtua was horrific. - ωαřмaiden ❤Bassetmom❤
Pricing seemed expensive, never worked with it but it sounded good? - Aaron the Librarian from Android
Maybe "Cadillac" is not the most stable of metaphors - JffKrlsn
He meant Lexus but he ain't know it. - Steele Lawman
Aaron, I heard virtua called vapor ware today... - ~Courtney F
Maybe an early 1980's Cadillac then? Those were horrific :) - Aaron the Librarian
So this one will be like buying the Red Car for the sole purpose of dismantling it so that a new freeway can be built? - Julian
Mommy's going to the beauty parlor, darling, but I'm leaving you with your favorite friend, Roger. He's going to take very, very good care of you, because if he doesn't... HE'S GOING BACK TO THE SCIENCE LAB. - Aaron the Librarian
VTLS still exists? - Holly's favorite Anna
Not for long? - Julian
I missed the rest of yesterday. What happened?
Ah. VTLS acquired. For starters. - Julian
LGBT vs LGBTQ - a friend is working on policy documentation and wants to use lgbtq (province uses lgbt) so she wants to cite some best practices about why Q is important. thoughts on where to find'em?
A quick Google search suggests that resource centers at universities might be a good place to start. I believe that Q is extremely important. - Julian
to cpmplicate: I just heard that LGBTQI is becoming the phrase - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I've seen QUILTBAG, as well. - Katy S from iPhone
I've seen MOGAI, LGBTQIA+ - Pete
I've seen LGBTQIQA as well. No examples of best practices for you though. - ellbeecee
this is an nyt article rather than a best practices doc, but it's well written and also links to a LOT of those university resource centers Julian refers to - maybe some of them have documentation? [I edited my thoughts about various acronyms to be clearer but they got REALLY long and they are beside the point so now I am taking them out.] - Marianne
One thing I suggest is using whole words as much as possible instead of any abbreviations. Also, don't use the B or T (or bi or trans) unless one really means it. So often, B and T are included, but get no real attention or resources. I think it is a little harder to participate in bisexual erasure or trans erasure when the complete words are used. - maʀtha
Also, in response to your original question, queer is so much more inclusive (at least for many folks of my generation, though folks of older generations may find it offensive because it was often used hurtfully against them) and a less restrictive box than bisexual, gay, or lesbian. - maʀtha
I also suggest including ally along with lesbian, bisexual, gay, trans, and queer. - maʀtha
I like QUILTBAG, and find it whimsical, but I think that it's limited to the sff/geek community, and I've heard criticism about the whimsy - DJF from Android
Yes, it is also important to talk about intersex people, esp. since many of us are woefully ignorant about how biology works - maʀtha
in an academic context, using the word queer also maps nicely to queer studies and queer theory - maʀtha
thanks for the link, marianne! martha - my friend is a social worker specializing in same sex violence working at a feminist organization, so they have all kinds of acronyms they use internally, but they are advising the govt on policy, and want to advocate for including "Q" so i'm trying to give her a list o'sources that have reasons why it should be included. - jambina
Ah, that helps. Would something like this be helpful? - maʀtha
I was hoping GLAAD's media guide would address this, but they don't, except to include LGBT. LGBTQIA+ seems to be what I'm seeing most. - Rachel Walden
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