Just was talking to http://www.friendfeed.com/garin and we came to the conclusion that if you are going to comment on a friendfeed item you should either be first or last. Why? They always are visible. So, here's your chance! :-)
Any worthy FF thread will engage interested parties enough to read most of the comments.
- iTad
Do I get bonus points if I end up being the thread killer?
- Kevin Johnson
Kevin you could always delete your 1st comment. :)
- rob friedman
Kevin! Yes, and we're having a great time watching this. It will get old fast, but for now it's really fun!
- Robert Scoble
Dang it I am 5 min too late. So I guess it is like posting on a blog post, you always want to be first.
- Jeff
Hey Enrique.. that would suck. Oh... LAST! Oh Jeff... Last.
- Ted Bradford II
That's why these threads just go on and on and on... people just want to have the last word. ;-P
- Chris Heath
Chris: I don't want the last word. I want the penultimate word. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nope, I like the riffng of the conversation. Jump in anywhere. Enjoy the free flow of ideas and worry not about being seen by the scanners. Those who take the time to expand the thread have such a richer experience.
- michael sean wright
if i wasn't so tired i'd play that out Chris (as my last post was truly in jest). Late here in East TN. Gonna go tip a few cows and call it a day.
- Ted Bradford II
Ted: so was mine ... didn't you catch the winky tongue? (i'm on cape fear so i'm soon to bed as well)
- Chris Heath
Good point, unless you're actually using the RT chat aspect of FriendFeed, I guess...
- Andy Werner
I actually come back 5 days later to make comments so I can have the last word. Everyone has already forgotten what the conversation is about by then.
- Jeff
Chris- I did, but needed a segue into a cow tipping joke... cause I've never done so before. I do know this, tomorrow I will use the word 'penultimate' and dazzle family and friends. Hope alls quiet on the Cape bro. These storms have been a biotch. Annnnnnd Jeff just trumped us all. Tell him what he's won Enrique... nite all.
- Ted Bradford II
Second to last is always visible on my screen. :)
- Bwana ☠
Clever way to get the most commented upon comment on FF ever....
- Barak B
Ted, if you haven't dozed off- i'll have you know that the coastal winds tend to keep a lot of the storm systems at bay- if you're close enough to the water - a mile or 5 inland can make a big difference some days - and spot t/storms can be localized around here big time - for instance yesterday it rained (for a short period) at my house while i was at work 5 miles away getting no rain - only knew cuz the ground was wet when i went home for lunch... ok - it's really time for sleep now - g'nite FriendFeed
- Chris Heath
friendfeed should allow for "liking" comments so top comments can be the ones shown, no matter the chronology. And allow the users to watch comments by likes, threaded or chronologically.
- Charbax
A blatant attempt at gaming the FriendFeed statistics for no real useful purpose... Oooh, can I be last, Please Please!!!
- Peter Kelley
No, Peter, you may not be last. That's my position.
- Chris Charabaruk
Are trying to go for the longest comment thread again?
- Amit Morson
Amit: no, most times one post gets hidden.
- Robert Scoble
In a different timezone you can have the advantage :)
- Rene de Vries
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
What if you write backwards? Does that help?
- Kieran Daly
Okay, people, nothing to see here. Just walk on. This is the last comment. It's all clear now. says Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
It would be nice if we could pick the number of comments shown at the top and bottom, I'd like to see the first 3 and last 3 for example.
- Kol Tregaskes
I usually read all the comments of something I'm interested in. I don't just read the top and bottom ones so I don't care where I come in. I comment on what I want to because I want to say something. It's nice if the original poster reads/responds to it, but not absolutely necessary. Most of the time the most fun/interaction comes from other commenters.
- Molly
Being last has one drawback. It makes you a thread-killer. I'm not sure some of us like being that. Sometimes I'd rather see the discussion keep going.
- George Hall (Australia)
Do like the suggestion made earlier that there should be bonus points for being the thread-killer...
- George Hall (Australia)
And there is nothing I hate more than reading that first comment that childishly claims "First!" and nothing more. "Last!" (until the next comment comes along)
- Jim Espinoza
By the way, I'm the last commenter in a very participated thread recently started by Robert Scoble, but that didn't gain me almost any new follower. I'm fine with this though, as I'd find silly being advantaged for being the last commenter ;-)
- Opensource Obscure
112 comments - but there can never be last comment, can there? Unless there is a FF limit on the number of comments - Paul, is there a limit?
- WoH: Minding her Steves
The current last comment is the next penultimate comment.
- Brian Sullivan
Not everyone is on here to market themselves to infinity. Why people, other than people who actually make money off of exposure, insist on wanting the most friends on ff/fb/ms/tt is beyond me. Not everyone is a Scobilite! Yes I did just make that word up... where do I copyright it? lol
- Jason Williams
Didn't someone blog about tinyurl's dominance a while back - about how they have too much power. Might have been Gillmor or Winer
- Bwana ☠
Winer. I don't think they have too much power
- Steve Gillmor
Kevin: i did not say it was spam. I put the smiley face indicating my partial joking nature. but only partial.
- Jeff
Robert: I could not figure out how to disable comments for particular post. It is really not a big issue since I have gmail, but I do think this post may never die.
- Jeff
I seem to be last on many of Steve Gillmor's posts @techcrunchit, the kiss of death to many a conversation. I should be so lucky here.
- Aron Michalski
from fftogo
A good way to stop? - Scoble puts in his penultimate comment Kevin Johnson says zaloom!
- Julian Edward
This is the Seinfeld of FF....the post and comments about nothing. I wonder what the record is for the most comments on FF?
- Jeff
As a fine-art platform, as a painting, do you think anyone would be interested in a full-screen image feed animated by Judith Supine? http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- stephen harlow
I like most anything distilled...information, bait...(distilled bait...is that like the worm at the bottom of the mezcal?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
The difference would be that in this case the worm will stay on the bottom. No matter what.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
I reckon it'll be Ruud van Wijngaarden
- Julian Edward
I am not quite sure about that. But willing to accept it. (Wait! You just called me a worm? The most underrated but valuable animal on the planet, that brings us fertile ground and eats dead stuff? It is a nice compliment, but might be a bit much).
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
No, No! - I didn't mean you worm. Although as you say they are useful beings. I do hope you'lll be in heroic position of last commenter! This is a case of the last shall be second. (Kevin Johnson being first of course). Scoble is penultimate we would hope. I'm aiming for 5th to last!
- Julian Edward
Yesterday somebody asked: 'if you pass the number two in a race, which place are you in?' and I answered wrong. Passing the last one in this race will be hard...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
you mean Twitter Gar1n? You were talking on TWITTER WEREN'T YOU! LIAR "friendfeeed Garin" pfttttt still the same bi-polar
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Interesting comment, SFSS, very interesting indeed. So interesting, in fact, that I think that nothing further needs to be added to this thread. Ever.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
אתם כל כך מלא חרא, אבל זו בעיה שלך, לא שלי :-)
- David Gross
from email
actually i don't know how not to be the last commenter :)
- İ. Emre Kutlu
If only I could puncture the depths of Scoble's scratch-the-surface brain fart, techno-vangelizing, then I'd actually care WHOLE HEARTEDLY about this meaningfully retarded thread.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
The only way this thread can be made even more ridiculous and anachronistic is to move it to identi.ca.. Myspace would work, too.
- Tal Shafik
And since you can't guarantee being last unless you are the originator of the thread or can convince the originator to end comments (but since Robert is AWOL that is unlikely) -- you better be first. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
I looked at at least two pages of every user who posted. I just started learning, so I bookmarked about 20 pages that I'll be coming back to. This was nice, thanks!
- Ryan Massie
Broadcast my weight everywhere! ... I think not.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Its just like a normal scale, it wont broadcast unless you tell it to. It is just WiFi-enabled. You could track your weight in the computer, I guess, and that is the advantage...
- TrafficBug
Actually typing three digits into a spreadsheet might count as exercise.
- Jack&Cleo
The forecast calls for flash flooding this afternoon. The ground is already soaked from recent rains. Not whining, though. The lakes can use the water.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
"Web trending service Compete shows Friendfeed down nearly 30% in September with 750,000 U.S. unique visitors. This is down from just over 1 million unique visitors in August 2009."
- Erhan Erdoğan
from Bookmarklet
FriendFeed usage is obviously decreased this month. Best of Entries of all the whole friendfeed worth nothing at all. Scoble does not post good stuff, no new features, some people delete their account. As I said before, Facebook screwed FriendFeed up. Yeah, that's right! Hope people liked this acquisition can enjoy new friendfeed. It is just like an abandoned city for a few weeks.
- Alp
As of this morning Wii Fit told me I have lost 42 pounds. I am crazy and don't really see it. I see it in my clothes and stuff, but not in the mirror. So I ask y'all: Do you see a difference? Before and After about 3.5 months.
You look younger and brighter/lighter in the second pic. I don't know if I "see" weight loss, but I see happy and energetic somehow. You are cute!
- Laura Norvig
You can see it in the cheeks and in the chin you can also see it in the shoulders. Congrats by the way. And yes, I can see it.
- Dan owns Comicsforge.com
congrats on the milestone. yes I see difference, but it doesn't look like 42 lbs different. not from the headshot, at least.
- chrisofspades
Yes, I can see it, and you are looking good
- RAPatton
You look great in both photographs. You lose about an inch for every 10lbs, so you should be falling out of your clothes by now.
- Fossil Huntress
definitely a visible change. it's probly hard for you to notice cos it's happening over time. well done! :)
- Joe The Sausage
For whatever it is worth, assuming you are losing weight from exercise (the Wii Fit thing) it will start in your arms and legs (what you are moving) and THEN you'll see it in your face.
- Personal FinanceGuy
Je vois ce que tu veux dire. Oui oui tu as bien meilleur mine. Continues comme ça. (I understand what you mean. Yes yes you lok really better. Goes on. Wish you the best.
- Desirade
Scary. This happened inside the supposedly secure parking garage of our apartment building last night. Bose stereo and navigation system completely gone.
- Michael Hocter
If you look closely at the first picture, you can see some fingerprints on the edge of the door. The police told us to leave it as is until they come collect fingerprints. Hope those aren't mine!
- Michael Hocter
That sucks! Insurance is great, but you are still out the deductible. In my case it would be $500 out of pocket!
- Jeff P. Henderson
That's terrible, and I know how it feels. It's happened twice to me; once in New Orleans and once at a friend's house.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
If the apartment building advertises a secure parking garage, perhaps they should get some cameras. Hope the police get the prints soon; good chance this is a repeat offender.
- John E. Bredehoft
Luckily we just lowered our deductible last time we renewed the insurance. Hopefully this will end up costing me $100, not including the hassle. Damn thieves!
- Michael Hocter
Ouch. I've had my GPS & stereo each stolen twice. My computer once. Hope the insurance process goes smoothly.
- Mitchell Tsai
I'm sorry! Like a lot of other people here, I've been through this, too, and it feels so awful! :-(
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
hmm im sure a car like that would have an alarm.. unless you forgot to activate it or something :s
- Kevin Nunez
Car alarms don't do a thing except make a noise. They go off so often that everybody ignores them.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
My wife was joking about the fact that the car alarm light is blinking and still activated. Useless if you ask me.
- Michael Hocter
Bummer and yeah, the car alarm is to prevent someone from stealing the car, not from stealing the contents in the car, unless you have the type of security system that includes window sensors.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alarms don't discourage professionals. My alarm stops ringing if I disconnect the battery (duh!). One of my thieves did that (takes 5-15 sec). My car has been broken into 3 times in the San Francisco area (2003-2007, 5 years) (never in Marin, Berkeley, or Palo Alto areas) - near Japan Town & Chinese Embassy, outside Yoga Journal Conference at a Hotel near Tenderloin, outside apartment...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Terrible.....you feel violated, whether it's your car or your home.
- Bonnie Foster
That sucks. I remember when my wife's car was broken into outside of a Target store. She had just gotten a few groceries next door, placed them on the front seat, and ran into Target. Someone smashed the front passenger side window ($600+labor) for about $20 in groceries. Of course, our deductable was $1000.
- Mark J
the minute you see this scene, it feels like as if boiling oil has dropped over your head. gross!
- Besim Dönmez
this is terrible, sorry to hear that.
- Thomas Hawk
A disgusting act. I hope it all works out
- Mo Kargas
hideous - hope that the insurance will refund you everything
- Barbara R. S.
:( That sucks. Did they really need to wreck that thing off? Man sorry about this. I've had my car broken into but this one looks bad. Karma will get back at these thieves. :(
- AJ Batac :)
Disgusting. We once had all of the family´s three cars broken into the same night at our home. Just for some old radios and cds. A lot of glass bits.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
Dang. That happened to my husband's truck a couple of years ago. They got a lousy $99 stereo for their trouble.
- Julie Barrett
I love that Bret, Paul, and Kevin checked in. They probably are looking at their screens and asking "what do we do now?" how about ship some new features before Facebook overlords take you off to do bigger things?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I feel sorry for all you addicts. My use of it is purely social.
- Bruce Lewis
I do like FF and use it almost every day. Wouldn't it be great if FB either left it alone so we can continue to use it as "professionals," or somehow incorporate it into a more "mature" version of FB that didn't have all the annoying, time-wasting apps, games, etc. I'd much prefer a totally customizable FF "wall."
- Cathryn Hrudicka
I think FFundercats HO!!!!! would have worked but I'm here anyways.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Actively fighting addiction to anything on a daily basis, but I'm still a FriendFeed fan! (I'd have been here sooner but I've been staring at Phoebe Cates pics for longer than I realized.)
- Mark J
here. anecdote: a friend of mine just signed up for FF this evening. apparently the FriendFeed hype of the last 24 hours pushed him over the top. leaves me wondering whether FF has actually gained users today?it would be a crafty way of marketing the service. I'll wake up tomorrow to discover that there was a problem with the paperwork and the FriendFeed team have had a change of heart.
- JSLeFanu
from BuddyFeed
Count me in even though I was just starting to get hooked. I guess it's time to find a rehab and get all sobered up until the next relapse with some other new addiction. Isn't life grand?
- Usman Bashir
oh hey, look, the added an "add comment" link to the end of the comment list. Huzzah!
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
++Jay. I was going to do the same thing yesterday but I didn't want to pay the money.
- David Cook
David -- this was a $9.95 session but you can get them for $7.95 and there are also 25% off coupons if you do online check-in prior to your Delta flight. That's an incentive for folks to use that service and offload kiosk use at the terminals. Very savvy marketing by the folks at GoGo and Delta combined.
- Jay Cuthrell
Yo Scobey! I like Dave Winer's thoughts on user owned tech companies ... been thinking similar things.
- Jason Cronkhite
well, it's 12:12 a.m. and I'm perusing FF from my iPhone via BuddyFeed before turning in. so yeah, I guess I count. "Here!" (raises hand)
- Don Faulkner
from BuddyFeed
I recommend FF to some of my clients, and there are some companies and nonprofits with presences here—not like Twitter, but I'll be curious how that will be affected when FB takes over more. Most have FB fan pages, groups and/or causes, too.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
И так чятег, пока Скобл не поговорит с нами представителями СовиетФрендфидика, все мои записи теперь можно читать в этом тредике. Пользуясь случае передаю Парню Бухайту и его команде большой привет, в связи с тем что [He can has sleep naw].
- ideali
я вчера был в издательстве, с меня сведения об авторе просят. давайте, говорят, напишем, где учился, что генеральный директор. и что известный блоггер.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
а можно получить профессию известного блоггера? какие экзамены сдавать надо? какую специализацию лучше выбрать - микроблоггинг или аудиоподкастинг?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Один чувак пришол в чятег и говорит я известный блоггер кто тут тру на первый второй рассчитайсь. А ему говорят чувак у тебя сертификат есть что ты известный блоггер? Вот иди Зайке экзамен сдай потом приходи. А Зайка стоит такой с топором и улыбается. Щас думает счастливым его сделаю.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
Я потерял интерес в данный момент. Я буду скрывать, как и любой другой. Это хромой, что вы захватили этот. Пивные правила. Спокойной ночи. :-)
- Matthew Horton
Hi, I'm Bette... I don't know if I'm an addict, but I can't stay away... I keep checking, just to see if something's new... and I cry if I get no responses to a post. Is that addictive behavior? :D
- Bette Cooper
Yup, I have blocked all the impersonators now. You will still see them, but I don't see them and they no longer can comment on any of my items.
- Robert Scoble
@scobleizer As far as I can see you have blocked not only the impersonators (who renamed themselves back the moment they found out you have a problem with this) but most of the folks who chatted there.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@meatreach yes, see next thread. Scobble becomes anti-Russian.
- Never Impersonate You
Maxatma: well, that's just too bad. I speak English. Sorry. People who don't speak English really don't have any business commenting on one of my items, except in rare cases.
- Robert Scoble
Why you, Robert Scoble, don't block users from Spain or Italy? China or arabic countries? Those users that comments on non-English languages?
- Never Impersonate You
@Robert, in fact they do speak English. But they also do make fun of Friendfeed and everything that's going on there. You can block them or take part in this fun. ;)
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I prefer FF over twitter and facebook, but all my friends are on twitter and/or facebook. Maybe facebook will get it right this time now that it has acquired FF. If they simplify it a bit more without removing functionality. Then I would spend a bit more time on FB. Lets hope all goes well with the merger. If not I'm jumping ship and going over to Google Wave. oh wait, I'm going to go with Google Wave regardless! ;-)
- Captain Jack
Bu arada Russian friends Turkiye'ye selamlar gonderiyor.
- ideali
@scobleizer i can speak english and i beg you to remove bann from all russian friendfeeders, because we are all from it-community, working in internet companies and we came with peace, you asked for feedback from friendfeed addicts — we show you how really it is being frf addicts, we change names, we chat, we making things that are not serious. Why so serious? Unlock people, they are not bots, they just playing the game of real addicts and have fun. Common.
- ideali
shaun: I started this post to demonstrate that a lot of us are still here and aren't likely to leave. At least not quickly. So, life goes on after FriendFeed gets acquired by Facebook. Point proved.
- Robert Scoble
Beyler, bana bir sey anlatin, bu kadar ciddi olmaya ne gerek var? Translation: Guys, why so serious?
- ideali
ideali: have them send email to scobleizer@gmail.com and I'll unblock anyone who says they weren't impersonating me.
- Robert Scoble
Hector: good morning! I need coffee.
- Robert Scoble
@robert yes they (we will) stay here, I think tat the migration process will take time and after reading @Paul Bucheit, I think that what we all are trying to get even if we don't say it explicitly is to preserve a kind of intimacy (beeing a part of the Huge faceBook community) don't mean that FF community will preserve their intimacy, why should a community be a plan one, (let imagine a community as a set of sub-community) that all.
- abdellah
Wow!! So many likes and comments; is it a record Rob?
- Erfun
@scobleizer thank you, for understanding. be cool, guys we just want have fun here a little. Take care.
- ideali
@Robert RE "I have enough noise in my life. I don't need to have more" - isn't it a lot of noise having 26K subscriptions and 46K subscribers on your frf account? I'm kind of surprised - you create a community that large around yourself, yet when you see a new and unusual activity you just block it right away.
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
@Robert, patience? Who's talking about patience? It's about curiosity, not patience. When something strange and unusual happens around you, you can either try to stop it or try to see what it can develop into. You choose to stop - and it stopped. Well, not stopped - just moved to some other place. And do you really know what it was and what it was about to bring you?
- Он будет добрый, ласковый
I'm here all the way from South Africa! I dig this service and I'm not quite ready to give it up. Regardless of the news about the acquisition, this remains an awesome service.
- Paul Jacobson
I'm new to ff but find more valuable information here than anywhere else!
- Janet Crance
I'm sure this is part of Scoble's plot to poll all the people who really read his posts, and unfollow the rest. So I raise my hand.
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Just a wannabe. Not an addict (yet).
- Carole Hicks
It might also be a way for me to filter down my "following" count (diff (my followers, scoble)) are the only people I really need to follow. Those that scoble follows, I can safely unfollow and use Scoble as my social media filter :)
- Shivanand Velmurugan
Loading this thread on the iPhone uses 1% battery life lol
- Mark
from iPhone
pardon the arrogance but it really sucks this great forum of sharing will turn into a myspace humdrum. Now I have to find another SM where first adopters and well informed techies won't haft to compete with general "noise"
- earl wallace
I just mention the 1500 mark since it was such an iconic query to see... that and the 500 Likes club of FF posts. It's pretty exclusive stuff... but it's also sobering to note that the subject matter required to get to these levels isn't always a uniform mix of cares/concerns.
- Jay Cuthrell
When I heard the FaceBook news, I tried to quit FriendFeed and I couldn't... I'M HOOKED
- The Web's Wendell Wittler
i clicked the "1488 more comments" and my computer nearly exploded. and yes, i am using an amiga 500.
- jack
Now that I have instructions (thanks LouisGray) and figured out my Bookmarklet! I am LOVING the ease of use! addict - not quite...
- Robyn Hawk
Actually, I lied. I am not a die-hard friendfeed fan. I desperately want to be but have just not been able to get into a good "feeding" rhythm. Maybe I need to add some more friends
- Anant Gairola
I don't need to be addict. I'm just here, everyday, absorbing so many geeky info :D There's no place like FF
- Lysender
I'm still with ya, Robert. Whatever FB paid for FF, it wasn't enough!
- Donald C. Lindsay
New here, but learning. Tips for best use?
- Barbara Langham
@bdlangam From my perspective the #1 tip in this category is: Explore and define "best use" for yourself. Despite potential "finishing" impression of some productive consolidations in this collective-collaborative cognition space, the emergent #cognosphere is still WAY too nascent to assert anything other than initial impressions. March to the beat of your own drum; build your own...
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- michael silverton
yeah sorry, late. was at Shambhala Music Festival, I know tardy, sorry...
- The Real sofarsoShawn
I'm getting hooked, still figuring it all out
- Michele McGraw
I think I do. Not enough contacts to make a impression.
- Michael Schlag
I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before
- cheapsuits
I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-)
- Keith Barrett
but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo
- Rachel Clarke
Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some
- Robert J Taylor
I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today.
- Timothy Federwitz
yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working..
- Giorgio
I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down
- Keith Barrett
Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up.
- MikeAmundsen
I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter
- frank barry
They'll comment on it, much like I just did.
- Marlin Forbes
Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out
- Rachel Clarke
Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time
- Robert Littlejohn
Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues?
- Chris Nadeau
twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down
- Didier Girard
They will all sit in their chair and stare at their monitor!
- Gabe Diaz
@Dani, who knows... the might merge or something... explain the strange twitter is pulling fb down 2..
- Sebastiaan van den Akker
Did Scoble bring Twitter and FB down as he unfollowed everyone ? winks -)
- Del_
This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations..
- Joe Magennis
I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in.
- Jeff Stannard
Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it--
- cheapsuits
What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter.
- Tad Chef
This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing!
- Dan
Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo!
- travispuk
I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;)
- Martin Lindeskog
I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together
- Jeff Wiant
was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it.
- Ryan Cummins
Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol
- Justin Long
twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless.
- travispuk
Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something?
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well
- A Zmaj
Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter?
- Mike Gargano
Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :)
- Graham Bunting
Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter?
- Augie Ray
Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now.
- 3Cinteractive®, L.L.C.
from twhirl
I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages.
- Timothy Federwitz
from Alert Thingy
The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day!
- Travis Owen
is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn
- lisa coultrup
Maybe Ev's interview on the BBC last night didn't go down well with the Iranians!
- Andrew
from iPod
Ev coming onto the BBC last night and saying that they were asked by the US Goverment to keep Twitter up and running during the Iranian protests cannot have gone down well in Tehran!
- Andrew
from iPod
DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan...
- Ryan Cummins
now having trouble getting to Friendfeed
- Justin Long
look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge)))
- obolonskyi
maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see!
- Jordi Soler
SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-)
- Filippo Ronco
Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation???
- obolonskyi
@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p
- Lee Provoost
I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful.
- Parvez Halim
@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D
- Lee Provoost
what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =(
- obolonskyi
@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL))
- obolonskyi
Read post on 100k unfollow - I love how people are commenting and blaming Twitter being down on that! lol
- Helene
AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess..
- Alex Schleber
AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber "
- Alex Schleber
Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
They will still be able to Tweet to themselves - not sure if they will realize it is down until it comes back up.
- Phil Harrison
What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media.
- Sebastian
Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!)
- Arleen Boyd
Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best.
- Gord McLeod
Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users.
- Sebastian
Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss.
- Sebastian
You must be dying of laughter now Robert!
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gotta love it... @RobCairns says "come to Friend Feed? Not" and then his page shows ONE POST from Twitter in the past 18 hours! And that one talks about how Twitter seems to be slowing down again! (Sorry Rob, but that's just too good to let pass!)
- Mark J
Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time.
- Louis Trapani
Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc...
- Kirsten Mitchell
from iPhone
Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :)
- Geer
Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO
- Mitchell Tsai
There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P
- David Kettler
Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry!
- momonalona
Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us.
- Gary Prechtel
auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping.
- William Kapes
Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =)
- SedonaTV
Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!)
- Jesse Stay
Guess I might as well delete that overpriced twitter app I bought last week.
- Shea
from iPhone
Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-)
- Tim
Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam.
- Steve
I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :)
- Arlan K.
I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now.
- Murray Barton
You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter.
- dthree
Hey Robert, so for following >1,600 is it that right way taken by Philtro and Filttr?
- Martin Adamek
Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards
- Karma Martell
I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble.
- Matthew Schrock
Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow.
- David Stanley
Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought...
- Della Mauler
Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down...
- James Watters
This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert.
- Jeremiah Green
Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;)
- Brett Kelly
so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :)
- Christian Anderson
Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine....
- lynda spangler
Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in.
- David Ziembicki
I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-)
- Wolfgang G. Wettach
I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile???
- Gerard van Schip
Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view.
- Robert Scoble
Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting
- polou/indigo_bow
Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you!
- Tobin Truog
This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-).
- Mats Pettersson
I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com
- CodeSamurai
butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D
- Mark
You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets.
- Alex Knight
Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow.
- Alex Knight
I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow.
- Tim Hoeck
Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me!
- Scott Booher
Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker
- Noah Bloom
You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :)
- Jeff Harbert
Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks!
- Audrey
Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that!
- Pon
Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers.
- Liza + = ?
Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute?
- Mark Philpot
I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations?
- John Brown
Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)?
- Ronald
I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio.
- Tim Maly
Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows.
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group.
- Oscar M. Cantu
from iPhone
Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow!
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes.
- Liza + = ?
@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again.
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people.
- Steve Chou
from IM
How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script?
- Shane
I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen.
- Tom Ribbens
Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon
- Shane
Thanks for your post. Last time I checked you follow me here on FriendFeed. OK not to follow me on Twitter.
- Pilgrim Five
Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots
- Sally Church
I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right?
- Travis Bedard
Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me?
- Arleen Boyd
Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read.
- Lance M. Brown
Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea.
- Mark Edwards
Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account.
- Paul The Raven
Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever!
- Kathy E Gill
I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis)
- Keith Barrett
I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you!
- John Pfaff
It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter.
- Lance M. Brown
I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets.
- Lance M. Brown
Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up.
- One Degree Connected
All right, I'll bite :) - although I'll say that I did the mass-unfollow-thing months ago - long before it was cool.
- Justin
from Nambu
Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch.
- Benjamin Taylor
Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online
- Eric Schwartzman
Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better?
- Nick Lothian
I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot
- Tamara
me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject.
- Marco
ok. so how will you filter the noise now
- Kfir Pravda
Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?)
- Peggy Dolane
Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!)
- Tia Singh
I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-).
- Hanna Wiszniewska
got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble)
- James Hunter
"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you.
- Paul Downing
@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter?
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt.
- Patrick Mackaaij
If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself...
- Grant Bierman
I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people.
- Sumanth Kolar
Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him.
- Shari Weiss
I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in...
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- Laurel Papworth
As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here.
- Mark Evans
Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons
- Dani Martínez
I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information.
- Bryan Zirkel
I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful.
- Michael Liss
I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Am I too late to comment and get followed?
- Hichame Assi
LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons.
- Flavio
Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) .
- David Meredith
aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter
- Allison
Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of..
- Jaap Willem
Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk
- Silver Hage
I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden.
- Noah Gray
It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about.
- Chris Nixon
I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle.
- Ken Seto
Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however.
- Mark J
OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that....
- Bora Zivkovic
I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009...
- Denise
Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck
- JanLawrence
Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning.
- Rob Williams
moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers
- marc calamia
alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble...
- Nilesh
All that commenting in the past counts for nothing?
- Kevin Gamble
Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise...
- Onur Kabadayi
I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009...
- Patricia F. Anderson
Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two)
- Kay Proskin
Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure.
- Marc Ostrick
What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done.
- @katebuckjr
I only follow a few people and keep losing track so lord only knows how you managed to even begin to keep track of a conversation before friendfeed came along
- Iain
from BuddyFeed
Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway.
- Sean Rasmussen
I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers.
- Tony Hollingsworth
'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists).
- Andrew Spong
My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb
- Andrew Spong
Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while.
- John Craft
You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese.
- Diego Sana
So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about?
- Bas
Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF
- carece
@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care.
- Patricia F. Anderson
What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff!
- Pierce Presley
Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless
- Richard Gallo
Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that.
- Eric Williams
Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream.
- Robby Parker
Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :)
- Charlotte Barker
friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght...
- Marco Castellani
Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow!
- Ben Drury
Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Great ideas. I've been selective (though it fluctuates) about following people/accounts on Twitter since I joined about 2 years ago. I can't take too much noise.
- Joe Lance
from twhirl
I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for...
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- Timothy Federwitz
@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :)
- JA Castillo
I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better
- Maarten den Braber
Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-)
- Gee Ranasinha
Robert what's the deal with Twitter?
- stockmanmarc
Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud.
- Debra Ellis
Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better.
- Chris Brogan
I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy.
- Ron Hudson
I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday.
- Daniel B. Honigman
why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me?
- David Wescott
You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you?
- walidmREALTOR
I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David.
- Eric Williams
Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend
- Lee Odden
Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-)
- Enikao
Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria.
- RuthNH
Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak.
- ax0n
Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert?
- frank barry
That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes?
- Chris Nadeau
I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month.
- Mike Janicke
I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious.
- Janet Barker-Evans
Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult.
- Brenda Young
How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets.
- Nadine Gilden
Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better.
- abdellah
looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL
- Shari Weiss
Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally?
- Thomas Resing
@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality...
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- Andrew Spong
1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :)
- Mario Gastaldi
Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-)
- Donna Tuttle
Be sure to come by Dallas when you swing through Texas!
- Zaneology
from Nambu
Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration.
- Arleen Boyd
Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :)
- Luis Sandoval
Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there.
- Alex Howard
I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it?
- TheDiva Rockin
Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time.
- Andrew Spong
Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-)
- Dave Martin
Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips.
- Vadim Lavrusik
I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers>
- Andrew Spong
Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt
- Peter Murphy
I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;)
- Eric Williams
With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :)
- Chris Cree
Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!).
- Paul Monaco
Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter.
- abdellah
@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert.
- Dave Martin
what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience?
- WarLord
Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary
- WarLord
I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter)
- abdellah
I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow.
- Jackson Miller
You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too!
- Karthi
hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread
- andy brudtkuhl
I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-)
- Tom Newman
Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-)
- Jim Connolly
add me for your social media and the practice of law news!
- Rex Gradeless
Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following."
- Mark Denton
I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really...
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- James Schipper
Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/
- Lori Laurent Smith
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering...
- Barak Hachamov
I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both!
- Adria Richards
I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours:
- Donna
Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace.
- Kami Huyse
I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones.
- Donna
This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking.
- Steffan Antonas
That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A.
- Scott Pierce
Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human.
- Robert Jones
This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for...
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- Karoli
hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:)
- Tresha Thorsen
Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers?
- Jeff Vreeland
It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert.
- Jeremy Brooks
Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P
- Du Senyao Peter
i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks!
- Jonathan Blundell
When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter...
- Jon Mountjoy
Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :)
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today.
- Robert Scoble
A word of warning: if you come into my threads looking to counter an argument I make or a position I take, I will argue back. Vociferously. I love a good debate, I'm incredibly bored, and I usually don't post anything unless I've taken as many sides into account as I can. So if you can't handle that, don't argue with me.
Do you really feel so unsure of yourself that you need to announce such a truism? ("obvious truism" would be fishing for a rebuttal).
- ianf ⌘
Do you really feel the need to test my resolve on this matter, given that I have already demonstrated the traits and behavior I've listed above in other threads, thus perpetuating your need to restate the obvious?
- Steven Perez
Is this sort of post really necessary? If someone wants to engage you, they probably fall into one of two camps: someone who knows your history of combativeness, and therefore knows what they are getting into; or a drive-by commenter who is not worthy of your effort. Those who fall outside of these two camps should probably take a moment to read some of your posts (comments included) and grow a thick enough skin not to be bothered by your vociferous rebuttal.
- Bren
Bren: yep. Because I still have people who seem surprised when I do argue with them at length.
- Steven Perez
Bring on the Jedi Mind Tricks Versus the Time travelling - sits next to Haggis with Popcorn
- Brent - Yes I am
Oh, and Jedi Mind Tricks don't work on people who use psychic paper.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Damn. Well that takes a lot of the fun out of it.
- Brent - Yes I am
Answering a question with another question, especially of an escalative-threat variety, is in itself a sign of weakness of resolve; and, as for Restating The Obvious, this should have been my middle name, if [1] it weren't so long to write, and [2] wasn't so obvious.
- ianf ⌘
*sigh* Are you really that desperate for an argument that you have to go looking for one?
- Steven Perez
Absolutely not! I am merely a Drive-By Asker of Topical Questions which, I note, still haven't been answered to me liking.
- ianf ⌘
The fact of the matter is Steven, you're a bunneh and have long ears and a fluffy tail, and honestly there is nothing you can do about it.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
ME liking (there's a difference vs. my/ mine). So far you haven't delivered on any of your promises –what was I thinking?– so I'm gonna be driving on to better hunting grounds elsewhere.
- ianf ⌘
Just watch this space [mission accomplished].
- ianf ⌘
Kinda resembles the one between your ears.
- Steven Perez
That's a message best delivered on the deck of an aircraft carrier.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
I don't know, noise of jet engines is bound to make it misunderestimated.
- ianf ⌘
Don't worry. After I strap you into the catapult without a jet, it won't make any difference.
- Steven Perez
I'm a die-hard hetero, Steven, I never let a man lay a hand on my body. So strapping is out of the question (speaking if which, where ARE the answers?)
- ianf ⌘
I mention a piece of military hardware, and the first thing that pops into your head is something about teh gay?
- Steven Perez
I can almost hear the gears grinding, trying to come up with a pithy comeback.
- Steven Perez
Oh, and just saying: if you're trying to prove how straight you are, you might want to choose another phrase which doesn't contain the word "hard".
- Steven Perez
Oh yeah, bring on the sexual innuendo versus the Time travelling thingy.
- Brent - Yes I am
Credit where credit is due, Geoff was the one who brought up military hardware [oops! another instance of "hard-," Steven will have a rupture]; you were the one into strapping. Which, at least far as I heard, in BDSM terms is of strictly heterosexual variety. Whereas what you promised from the start, vociferous arguments for arguments' sake[*], is entirely missing. [^*] a.k.a. Japanese rice wine.
- ianf ⌘
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Way to try to deflect bringing up your sexual hangups.
- Steven Perez
this is like the longest version of Monty Python's argument sketch ever.
- Joe The Sausage
No no no, the parrot has yet to make an entrance. Unless Steven really is the Parrot, not the Bunneh (given scarcity of arguments I wouldn't know).
- ianf ⌘
Was this really a warning or an open invitation to match wits? (just wondering)
- April
Oops. I was looking for verbal abuse. I'll move along. ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
<Graham Chapman>Aha! No, you want room 12A, next door. *smile* ...stupid git.</Graham Chapman>
- Joe The Sausage
Disabling comments on FF is pretty much 100% the same as locking threads at Flickr. Thread locking sucks. Personally I won't frequent groups on Flickr anymore where they lock threads. Why invest time in conversations only to have them end up locked? The best conversations on the internet are the uncensored ones.
what they could allow is the reader to show or not show comments. expand or collapse.
- SolidSmack
I won't be using this to stop a thread when it gets 'out of hand'. I'll use it for announcements and sticky posts.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm not saying it's wrong for FF to add this functionality by the way. I'm just saying 100% that I will never ever ever use this feature not once and that if someone uses it consistently I'll probably stop commenting on their items.
- Thomas Hawk
I'd also like to see the ability to make an individual thread private.
- Kol Tregaskes
Just Sunday I got sucked into yet another conversation about Flickr deleting another user's account without warning or explanation only to have the thread locked by flickr staff. I think the offense there was that I called someone a sycophant and someone else accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Really stupid things to lock a thread over, but then again flickr staff was probably eager...
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- Thomas Hawk
What about inviting people to view private threads too? Sort of like Flickr's or Picasa's "Guest Pass" option for specific photos?
- Tyson Key
LOL. Yeah it's how it's used and also policed that is important. It's open to abuse! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Aah, good point Kol. But I'm thinking of adding people after the fact.
- Tyson Key
(I don't think you can do that at present, short of trying to reshare a DM and hoping that the recipient sees it as you want)
- Tyson Key
Tyson, yep but that's a generally suggestion, i.e. the ability to add/remove feeds for existing entries. Definitely needed. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
thomashawk That what I am afraid of also, that people will stop conversation just because people disagree with them, or say something they don't like. Conversation can be pretty boring if there is no argument.
- Kim Landwehr
from IM
exactly Kim. I fear that people will abuse this tool, like they've done at flickr. They (Flickr staff) literally locked a thread I was participating in on Sunday because someone accused me of wearing a tinfoil hat. Who the hell cares if someone accuses me of wearing a tinfoil hat? A totally stupid thing for Flickr to lock a thread over. I'm not worried about FF staff locking threads at least, but some members here with especially thin skin could abuse this.
- Thomas Hawk
In hindsight, I'm actually a little surprised to see thread/commenting muting get more backlash than "vanilla" deletion or even editing them (but I feel that lets people get away with "putting words in each other's mouths" as so to speak), given that it's non-destructive to the content/existence of the said comments. Still, there are plenty of ways around it, but I disagree in general with thread muting.
- Tyson Key
the other thing is, I suspect if heated conversations do get locked you'll simply see the most heated participants start new threads saying things like, "Since that Prick so and so just locked this thread over here (with link) I thought I'd restart the conversation here where it can happen uncensored." Not sure how effective this will be, but at least for the user who locked the thread it will keep additional comments off their blog if they've got that plug in installed.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, exactly. Thankfully re-sharing is not affected by disabled commenting.
- Kol Tregaskes
Will group admins on FF be allowed to lock threads not started by them in groups that they admin on FF? Or will only the originator of a thread be allowed to lock it?
- Thomas Hawk
I can see reasons for this. I'm an admin at a forum and sometimes I have to lock a thread because the "conversation" degenerates into a pointless argument between two people. Generally, it's a "time out." Sometimes I'll split the pointless argument into another thread (because nine times out of ten the argument is off-topic) and reopen. When two (or more people) bring their personal feud to ANY topic, it's distracting and kills conversation.
- Julie Barrett
Imagine if we had this when the Art Incident(TM) happened a while ago. I could have seen things degenerating into even more chaos... :(
- Tyson Key
yeah, it does look like group admins can lock threads in their groups not started by them. Oh well. I don't use groups very much anyways.
- Thomas Hawk
Your reshare of the DeviantArt photo of the angsty lady in red, of course, Kol. ;)
- Tyson Key
I see, I wouldn't have disabled comments though. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I would have done what I did in the thread and tried to ease the anger. I think disabling commenting there is where the feature could be deemed as being abused. Like I say if you use it for announcements and stickies then fine. But preferably I'd like to disable comments from the start, post the comments then re-enable them.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I'll probably not use the feature at all.
- Kol Tregaskes
"This thread has been Arringtonned", Andy? ;)
- Tyson Key
I think if FFers abuse the disable comments feature to shut down disagreement, then they'll start losing followers or getting blocked themselves. I doubt that I would use it myself unless a thread got really off-topic (and not in a good way) or somehow became abusive. Simple name-calling isn't itself a good reason to shut down a discussion.
- John (bird whisperer)
John, tell that to Flickr Staff. Apparently they think simple-name calling is in itself a good reason to shut down a discussion-- especially if the discussion is critical of their employer Yahoo/Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/help... They also think it's ok to edit the OP's critical words in addition to shutting his thread down.
- Thomas Hawk
Perhaps an interesting alternative is to permit the disable comment feature only on threads with zero comments. After the first comment the option is disabled. What do you think of this possibility?
- guillaume sempe
from iPhone
Guillaume, I like that option better myself, but I imagine it runs contrary to why this tool was implemented in the first place.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
I agree! There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'.
- Jeff P. Henderson
"There needs to be a better way to quell the 'mob'" how about respect?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
+1 Guillaume and Igor. Sadly, respect isn't something that can be enforced by the touch of a button, as nice as that would be to see, in a perfect world... :(
- Tyson Key
Tyson, that is why we need to to protect respect, because we are losing it. Blocks do not foster respect and never will. If I see you one a street, are you going to Block me? Are you going to call police and say, "I blocked this guy!" LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
arguments and fights do not start by themselves. U may disagree with someone but there is no need to call that person a Troll or a Jerk. Imagine if you call someone a Jerk or a Troll on a street! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls. I think they generally make the conversations more interesting personally.
- Thomas Hawk
Igor, I've already got four kids and can't be adopting any more trolls. But I certainly appreciate a good troll when they decide to show up.
- Thomas Hawk
thanx, I will try to come around from time to time, as long as there is food! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
I like trolls, they stamp around a lot arguing and shouting and live under bridges, oh wait what do you mean not those trolls Dang sorry please continue
- Kim Landwehr
Locking threads or disabling comments stops it being a conversation. There's no point in putting your stuff out there unless you are going to talk about. Unless of course you ego is too small to take criticism, but if you were really that shy/easily bruised, why woul dyou put your stuff out there at all??
- Paul OFlaherty
that's it, I'm locking this thread. I'm tired of all you damn people.
- Thomas Hawk
When the time comes you will take a deep breath and knock it out of the park, they will be lucky to have you!
- Karen Swim
It's publisher support for an ad company. So I'd be helping resolve issues with implementation and doing light web development/debugging. I really need to do some studying. Javascript, Flash, Flex, all that crap. *freaking out for no apparent reason*
- Rah-PM 2012
Remember who you are and you will be fine.
- Bryan R. Adams
Remember they might find this thread. Don't panic! :)
- Richard Walker
Good luck. I swore you had a "real" job already. Imagine it is yours and then take that job during the interview ... Diddy always says ... "take that take that take that ... " ...
- Amani
Oh and if all else fails, show em your world class 6 pack.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Just remember, 2349502 * 583947 = 1395479664394
- mike fabio
I just know they're going to say stuff like "Tell me about yourself" and "Talk about a time where you had to think outside the box." Oh, and "What are your weaknesses" I hate that one. It's a really hard question :)
- Rah-PM 2012
You have no weaknesses..."What are your weaknesses" is such a hackneyed interview question because everyone knows that you pick your strength and show how you turned a weakness in to a strength when all you really did was exploit your strengths. "Why do you want to work here" is a much better question.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I have an answer for that one. I think this company is as close to working for a startup as I'm going to get. Work environment is casual with a focus on creativity and working independently. Still researching them, but I think they are fairly new.
- Rah-PM 2012
Good luck, Rah! Hope it goes well! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
yeah i my family has slowly been joining up as well.
- (jeff)isageek
my biggest shock was when i got a notice my mom was following me on twitter :)
- (jeff)isageek
My Mum doesn't have a computer. She has a mobile phone but has no idea how to send or read an SMS, though we've showed her a zillion times. She can however work a CD player and a DVD player.
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
I'm assuming everyone who posted their link here would like to connect on Facebook? (I'm not a facebook fan, but was just wondering if FriendFeeders want to befriend on Facebook too).
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I just stuck with /waltruppar, but my Pug Marley is: http//facebook.com/FreelanceG33k I really wish pages didn't need 1000+ fans b4 being able to snag a name. Maybe they will wave this in the future after things calm down and allow pages in place prior to 31-May to get a name....
- JR
Walt: The 1000 user limit will be lifted on June 28, then we get another free-for-all
- Ken Sheppardson
boring but works: facebook.com/richardgoodwin . If I'd have known how easy it was to grab them I would have tried for something more original
- Richard Goodwin
from twhirl
I DON'T HAVE ONE!!!!!! "tamar" was unavailable but there's no page pointing to it! And um, we DID have someone check in at 12:01:01 AM! I am royally angry. btw, zee, gonna be really hard to get "zee" given the 5 char minimum - get to know someone working at FB and you may get lucky. (I've been trying to get tamar@gmail.com but the minimum character count is 6 and my Google contacts couldn't help..)
- Tamar Weinberg
mmm contacts :-) i hope you both get what you like
- Majento
@debng I don't believe in social media experts. The way social media moves, there's no way to be an expert in it, but you can be an enthusiast! Measuring someone's success rate as a SM enthusiast means knowing their motivations and what interests them about SM; it's not about qualifications, etc.
I think somebody *can* be a social media expert, and I define such an expert as an individual that can get a community interested in something. There are just ever-changing ways to accomplish this.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
I think there are too may self-proclaimed "social media experts." Maybe it's just me, but it seems like every other non-spammer who follows me on Twitter is one. There aren't THAT many in the world.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Of all the tweets one could ever post, this is by far the most beautiful. Thank you for sharing the moment with us so we could celebrate life with you. Congratulations!
- Eric Traub
HOO-RAY!!!! Congratulations, Tamar. :)
- Steven Perez
I will be there in September again. I can't wait to see your baby! And Milan needs more friends. And Scobleizer3.0 needs more mentors! :-) Enjoy every day, it goes so fast!
- Robert Scoble
I don't know you, Tamar, but you still get a mazel tov! (You're on my FF via other folks I follow.) Much health & happiness to you & your family.....
- Alan Mairson
now I ved seen everything on Twitter!
- Diva of Dish
Awesome congrats! I like how you let us know that you, baby AND daddy are doin OK. We know how daddys have a hard time sometimes! LOL jk Congrats to all!
- Manny
CONGRATULATIONS! Yay to the new family!
- Anna Lynn M.
Robert, you're bringing Milan to NYC in October? Nice. :)
- Tamar Weinberg
How did that rumor start? Nope, no Milan to NYC.
- Robert Scoble
oh, no play dates then as I probably won't be traveling to anywhere in a long time!
- Tamar Weinberg
Hey Tamar your baby is "liked" by over 220 people and it's just a few days into this world, not too shabby.
- SteVe C
Baby boy is resting on mommy's chest as she leans back on a chair updating her FriendFeed. As for the other questions... he doesn't have a name yet. His Bris will be Thursday and we'll name him during the ceremony. The only video the hubby took was me calling his great grandma while the doctor was yelling at me to put my phone down (no, I couldn't actually tweet that I was pushing. I did it as soon as I could!) ;) Weight: 5lb 14oz at birth.
- Tamar Weinberg
Congratulations!!! Awesome news. And yet I'm so freaked out that you're Tweeting an hour after giving birth. Good lord, rest a bit!
- Dana Todd
Welcome to parenthood! Your FriendFeed time is now officially reduced. ;>)
- Larry Hawes
haha Dana, I'm such a computer nerd/workaholic. I didn't even take a real maternity leave.
- Tamar Weinberg
Yep, but I don't really connect with people there. I just read stuff. If I want to talk about something, I share it here.
- Jandy
Clearly my most used online app, so yes. All the other tools revolve around it in my world. My dad read the newspaper every morning, I read Google Reader all day.
- Bwana ☠
Yes, it's still the best way to track blogs that write about stuff I like.
- arjo
YEah. I used to use Feeddemon but I like having my feeds synced over multiple devices with the least amount of hassle. Google Reader works perfectly for that.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
I use it, but I don't use it in a social way.
- Lix
Of course! I also use FF a lot, but it didn't actually reduce my activity on Greader
- stanjourdan
Yes, but not directly, I skim entries via my program ( http://ff.im/38Yl8 ), if I am interested I click. So to FF/twitter/gmail/and other urgent feeds
- yjl
Yes, since 2006. I used Bloglines and Sage (Firefox add-on) before.
- LouCypher
No. I stopped using it a long time ago when I switched to FeedDemon, then I stopped using that too (keeping up with 200+ feeds was just too much). Now, I use Gmail's Web Clips with 14 feeds (including the feed for popular bookmarks on Delicious). If the item is new and the title is interesting enough, I click. Still, I keep saying to myself: "I should go back to FeedDemon someday."
- Yaser Sulaiman
I setup google reader with a few local news links, so if I share something it's sent to friendfeed and then twitter. dont use it alot, forget to. I have FF, I let other people find interesting links for me to read.
- Mike Nencetti
Most people say RSS is dead because Twitter takes over by being real time. The issue with that is that we ourselves cannot be available real time, all the time. RSS helps you cache that information to make it available when you cannot be in the stream.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Zee: gloat? With a few dozen comments? Come on, please do be real. I have 89,000 followers on Twitter, 5,000 on facebook, 38,000 on friendfeed. When you get close to those numbers let me know. Then I'll let you gloat.
- Robert Scoble
@Scoble How do you mean "what I get close to those numbers?" - can you clarify
- Zee.
Robert: I don't think he wants to gloat about his numbers. It's about the fact that a lot of people still do use Google Reader or other RSS Readers; they just don't socialise with it as much as they do with Twitter or FF.
- Bhavishya Kanjhan
Yes, but I feel I'm wasting to much time with it. Browsing entire RSS feeds is not really targeted and Google Reader doesn't filter.
- Oliver Bouchard
I use it for my feedreading, but not socially.
- Scott Bulloch
I'm still waiting to hear what Scoble's crap about "89,000 followers on Twitter, 5000 on facebook and 38,000 on Friendfeed" was about.
- Zee.
naa, he'll respond - at least i hope so. Because I'm really hoping i'm wrong about what i think he was implying there.
- Zee.
yes I do = but I am quickly finding FriendFeed and Twitter replacing some of the feeds I used to subscribe to.
- Tony
Yes! I use Google Reader constantly, in my web browser and on my iPhone. I have RSS feeds set up for my common Twitter searches, too. I also use Yahoo Pipes that I've developed over time to have very targeted RSS feeds. But I don't socialize via Reader.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Yes, I still use Google Reader, voraciously. It has NOTHING to do with comments/followers. Rather, GReader is a tool for being better informed. Sometimes I use my GReader learnings in the real world - in conversation - where we don't formally have followers and such.
- Mike Reynolds
R.Scoble: What do follower numbers have to say in this matter, or at all ? I thought you had a statement about quantity vs quality some time ago as well ?
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
I use NewsFire, and occasionally Resc Newws! on my PalmOS phone. I guess I haven't joined the "everything's in the cloud" revolution yet.
- Joshua Lee
<whisper> I've never used it. </whisper>
- Derrick
Thomas: follower users tell you how many people use a service and map pretty closely how many people are using a service, if you can see them in aggregate.
- Robert Scoble
Zee: it's not what 80+ people on friendfeed say. It's how many people ACTUALLY use these services. Google Reader just doesn't have the numbers. My follower numbers are a very accurate indicator of that.
- Robert Scoble
R. Scoble: people follow more people on Twitter than on Facebook because Facebook means you share a lot of information, so I'm not sure if those numbers mean much in the way of that.
- Joshua Lee
@Scoble But how do you know how many people use Google Reader?
- Zee.
I don't use google reader, and I use twitter, facebook, and a bit of friendfeed. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
But Robert, I use GReader EVERY DAY, but I'm not really socially connected with anyone on it. GReader's main function can be used without any social integration at all - so how many people follow you or vice versa isn't really relevant. Even leaving aside the issue of whether number of followers is relevant at all - it certainly isn't relevant when the core function of a service isn't connecting with other people, but consuming content.
- Jandy
Yes: it is a convenient tracking system and I like the email alerts
- Anita Hunt
Yes. It's an essential daily tool for must-read feeds, as well as for discovery. Social media does not give me the same content as my must-read feeds.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Sometimes feeds generate data for social media.... I share a lot of links via email and occasionally facebook or twitter.
- Joshua Lee
No. Currently it does not cater for my feed reader needs.
- Vidar Andersen
I used to use a similar online newsreader, bloglines I think it is called, but after a while I found having to check a website unweildy - the whole point to RSS is to not have to play with your browser to read information.
- Joshua Lee
If you want to follow blogs directly on their site, at least for Blogger, you pretty much have to do use Google Reader. I know I've had that feedback from my followers.
- Fossil Huntress
Yeah, blogger is a bit of a closed ecosystem. Very ungooglelike.
- Joshua Lee
/me uses his best Ronald Reagan impression "Mr. Brin - tear down this wall"
- Joshua Lee
every day for real work needs. for all the rest, FF, Twitter and Facebook
- Giovanni De Stefano
Yes. Daily. But I overlay it with Feedly - www.feedly.com - which makes it rather prettier.
- Stephen Collins
Clearly Scoble doesn't really want to get too involved with this discussion. Which is disappointing considering he was the motivation for the post in the first place.
- Zee.
Google will eventually add real-time and social networking stuff to Google Reader, and especially with algorithms to suggest the best posts to read, then all will use that most
- Charbax
I use it. But I don't share anything with it. I just use it to keep on top of a few news sites and forums.
- Jan Ole Peek
no, but I'm ashamed to admit it. I used to use bloglines.
- Laura Norvig
I live in Google Reader. It's my life line for discovery, digestion and distribution.
- Mike Fruchter
well clearly according to Scoble, all of you guys saying that you use it are not part of the majority...and Google Reader is actually a very quiet place
- Zee.
Went from Google Reader to NetNewsWire simply because of the syncing ability between the Mac client and the iPhone app.
- Mike Bracco
Zee: sorry, I had to drive Patrick home. There are a variety of ways to see how popular Google Reader is. Look at Quantcast. Alexa. Compete. Compare referee logs with others, etc. I have kept on top of the usage numbers and Google Reader isn't keeping up with growth in other agregator types like Facebook and friendfeed andthe people I compare numbers with see a lot more traffic from...
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- Robert Scoble
@Scoble thanks for the clearer and less agro response. I'm really going to dig in and do some research into it because although I definitely believe that Facebook & Co. are growing much faster...as a news source/tool - i still believe it's number 1 and has huge potential for further growth
- Zee.
i do and love its integration into everything
- Zach Scott
Yes, though a lot less since Friendfeed came along
- JCunwired
I stopped a few months ago...but now I'm back to using Feedly - love the magazine layout, just a cleaner better way to read (for me that is ;)
- Aline Ohannessian
extended firefox with feedly this evening -- thank you all for that recommendation, gReader looks so much better, especially where the folders can be customized with different views: magazine stylesheet enhances the readability of content. [I'm looking into the exposure of private feeds when feedly services are used. Comments? It was surprising how they got to my subscriptions without my password.]
- Adriano
[off-topic @cacarr : ditto, cf. extensions like Zotero, It's All Text (w/ vim ;-), or even Read It Later]
- Adriano
Yes I do, and I'm also pretty impressed with feedly/firefox, but I use that in addition to slogging through my greader feeds. I'm in the process of re-organizing my feeds so I can "mark all as read" without concern I'm missing something I need to see. "a1_events a2_casts b1_techblogs x9_other" etc.
- Richard Walker
& my shared items get routed to Friendfeed+Facebook & from FF to Twitter... :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I do use Google Reader but just to read news feeds not sharing or whatever. The number of updates is getting a bit unmanageable now and I end up bulk-marking a lot as read, but it's good to skim through the headlines or less active feeds.
- By_tor
Yes, but must admit my usage of it has dropped off a cliff since I started using Twitter more (mainly because it was easier to digest content on a mobile), but think the noise ratio is greater on Twitter, so may go back to Reader when I get the next iPhone.
- Paul M Evans
If I share stuff in Feedly it ends up in FriendFeed and Twitter. Someone has to put the good stuff up there to retweet...
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Absolutely! Google Reader is still the first webpage i hit in the morning to read my "a-list" tagged feeds.
- Niklas Sjostrom
yes i do but since friendfeed came on the scene it gets less and less
- (jeff)isageek
yes but mostly through Feedly, and i do use Friendfeed to replace some stuff too.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
Yes.. I would never socialize on it as well, the tool is of course, fantastic..
- Daniel Tal
Yes. I hate to admit it but Google did a great job with Reader. At first I didn't share anything but after some tweaking I got addicted to it. The gadget is great too (when it refreshes of course)
- Carlos Lorenzo
Bloglines seems to be less reliable than Google Reader, but I stick with it because it's much easier to use. Complete navigation with single key strokes. Google Reader forces me to use the mouse. Too fussy. I'd prefer a desktop client, but haven't found one that is as good as Bloglines (on Linux).
- ˈpɛbə
Yes. I have hundreds of RSS feeds that I read via Reader. I haven't found a better Web-based replacement. I do not use Reader for it's social networking aspects though.
- Glenn J. Ward
It's the only RSS reader I use. I've tried several RSS apps on my phone and a couple on my computer and none are anywhere near as good as the web based Google Reader, either on my phone or on the computer. So I just stick with it.
- Nathan Mylott
Zee - thanks for the link - I followed it and found 'helveitreader' which is nicer still. However, I have issues with the interaction as well as the style. (http://ff.im/3d9Np [http://ff.im/3d9Np] is real)
- Robin Barooah
from IM
Yes. only way to keep track of 250blogs, and its the only remotely Social media style site that isn't blocked by my work IT department. I share stuff not in Greader but on here more so.
- Yant
I use reader, but keep looking for ways to cut myself off from it. I hate feeling that I have to read everything.
- Daniel Zarick
yes. (btw @robin: it's fixed i think. can you please try again?)
- Yusuf Nays
Yes, but not actively. I use it to aggregate my favorite newsfeeds into one giant RSS feed, which I feed into Wizz RSS reader (Firefox plugin). Wizz automatically checks for updates at specified intervals, so I stay on top of the latest news from all services. I also use it to search mp3/filesharing RSS feeds that I subscribe to, and to bookmark useful posts.
- LANjackal
Used to use it all the time, but I still check on my feeds from time to time through it.
- i80and
Yes, its my central information repository.Where i aggregate all interesting RSS ( from almost 150 different sources) so i never miss a beat. There are certain desktop apps which are better then Google Reader but whats great about it is its online repository which works for every device i use to access it. Though i clearly think there is a hell lot of improvement needed. In its current avatar it can be pretty unmanagable specially if you read a lot and you can't be online 24*7.
- Abhishek Sharma
RT @scobleizer is tired of cross posting. Let's talk about this over on Facebook. Someone set up a Twine too.
- iTad
maybe you should use Yahoo! Pipes to filter duplicates, @scobleizer?
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
But that's because Twitter is lame for discussions. Facebook and friendfeed are better to have conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Prolific: doing that in the context of Seesmic Desktop, Nambu, or TweetDeck isn't doable.
- Robert Scoble
cross-posting isn't nearly as bad as retweeting. at least cross-posting is in different systems.
- Andy Bakun
I cc to twitter but I have stopped auto posting to facebook...starts feeling spammy on FB
- Gary Gannon
Andy: hmm, I sort of like RT'ing. I find a lot of cool stuff that way.
- Robert Scoble
I have to agree... this is a big problem with the different solutions and different mechanisms for sharing the information you post. There needs to be a tool that « aggregates» them into one unique post and just lists the places it has appeared...
- Thomas V. Fischer
Gary: I have stopped auto posting into Facebook as well (I only turned it on for a day or two and got a lot of complaints).
- Robert Scoble
I feel the same way some times but I'm sure nothing on your level - most of my friends are clueless to this sort of thing.
- Robert Freeze
I do have a system to filter my Facebook notifications and email the result to my mobile device, @scobleizer; works brilliantly
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
At what point does it become cross posting? Wordpress+Twitter? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed? Wordpress+Twitter+FriendFeed+Facebook?
- Ken Sheppardson
It's difficult because if you're like me when you feel the urge to share you want to reach the most people possible. To do that for me means cross posting. The problem is, while you certainly reach more people you're definitely hitting some people multiple times. I think most people accept that this happens and simply ignore the extra times. Kind of go with the first time they saw it. I do think it used to annoy me more. Now I simply edit it in my brain.
- Sheryl
The neat thing about Facebook is because I haven't posted much there I haven't gotten people to unsubscribe the way that I have over in Twitter (many of the A listers have dropped me because I posted too often there -- I think that's also behind why I didn't get added to Twitter's recommended follower list, other than I talk about friendfeed so often there).
- Robert Scoble
I'm going to have to say that I prefer you to add something less perfunctory than "Discuss:" If you're posting from here to Twitter you could add a "Let's discuss this" quite easily. As to the question cross-posting has it's merits because there is only a partial (in my case small) overlap between the different sets of people.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Sheryl: it's interesting, though. I do want to have a system that says "show me this person only on Twitter." Actually this is sort of what I'm doing with Seesmic Desktop: I'm building lists that suck certain people into the list so I can follow certain people well without seeing their duplication.
- Robert Scoble
I love that every time I share an item on my google reader, it is posted to my friend feed and my facebook.. Why I love this is because I have completely different circles on FB and FF.
- Sabika
WorldofHIglet: I tried to add "please" but I did not have enough characters. Twitter forces me to stick with 140 characters or less.
- Robert Scoble
Except you posted this to Twitter from FriendFeed! But yes, it can be annoying. We want to get content out there,yet not be spammy. So how do we do it.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Sabika: Google Reader I can understand going to both of these places. Twitter less so.
- Robert Scoble
could the folks a friend feed or seemic think of a way to integrate or merge the cross posts...perhaps sinc them somehow.
- Robert Freeze
Bob: I think that TweetDeck and Seesmic Desktop are how we solve it. I'm "white listing" people into lists now to escape the duplication.
- Robert Scoble
First, how many people get ALL of your feeds? Item duplication is only a problem for those who are subscribed to multiple feeds from a person. Of the three services you mention, I isolate Facebook from most (not all) of my FriendFeed/Twitter content, and FriendFeed's block of the ff.im URL serves to reduce double posts of some items.
- John E. Bredehoft
You aren't on Twitter's recommended follow because you post FF links like a madman lol :/ Nah I dunno if you always have.
- Colin
Posting from here to FF truncates the message - the discussion will be here anyway so you haven't lost anything. But anyway, that's just me and my manners talking.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Another problem. Bots like TwitterFeed can result in double postings. (Hi Chris Pirillo on FaceBook.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
I completely agree but there are people who do not use all services, to send them content we use multiple sources. Not everyone is like us, using all the services.
- Veetrag
Colin: I think that's true, but it demonstrated that those recommended follower lists can be used as punishment. Oh, and does it help Twitter's content? Techcrunch has gotten very boring ever since it was added to that list. Yeah, I know Arrington now has his own Tweet account, separate of TechCrunch, but think about why that is. He doesn't want to have his business punished for saying something that Twitter doesn't like.
- Robert Scoble
Retweeting may be a cool way to find stuff, but when everyone is retweeting, it's just pollution. FF's "like" functionality is much better.
- Andy Bakun
Veetrag: that's why the Seesmic Desktop/Tweetdeck approach is probably going to be the only way to solve it.
- Robert Scoble
Andy: people get tired of me saying Friendfeed is better, but it is, so I agree with you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It's funny, because I haven't been on Facebook until Tweetdeck and Seesmic Desktop added Facebook functionality so I didn't see just how many people are duplicating their content between all services.
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is kind of ugly and painful to read, honestly for the kind of thread this is. Cross-posting (repeating in several arenas) is ok, but I dislike when people Tweet a link to a FriendFeed which has a link to some blog post somewhere -- it's like people are starved for us to hit every landing pad they have for a single item. That's painful and annoying.
- Gib
Ryo: I agree. Lockergnome has gotten very noisy.
- Robert Scoble
Does it seem like cross-post duplication litter is like the analog of FW: FW: FW: of the aged world of email? I've stayed away from cross-posting for the most part. But I just decided to focus on the network plugged directly into FF, so my use case is different than a good many.
- Micah
Gib: use a browser that lets you increase font size. Also, click on the time stamp to open up this dicussion into its own window.
- Robert Scoble
Gib. once it gets long it makes commenting hard to do and still keep up
- Robert Freeze
The Lockergnome coupon posts are tooo much to handle
- Gary Gannon
The recommended follow list is a mess, wrong in 1000 ways, the good thing is normal people don't worry about it, because they'll never make it.
- Colin
Robert Freeze: open friendfeed up into its own Window and then commenting and keeping up is a lot easier on a hot conversation like this one.
- Robert Scoble
David: I don't see quizzes in Facebook's status stream.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Yes, I'm using Safari and blow up the font size. Doesn't make it less ugly -- just bigger! :-)
- Gib
cool thanks Robert - i'll open a new window
- Robert Freeze
My little Macbook can barely handle Seesmic Desktop for some reason, it freezes in the middle of typing a tweet one or two times.
- Colin
Robert, I think you've finally reached the point where too many people follow you: just one entry like this produces as much traffic as all the people I used to follow on Twitter. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken: heheh. Wait until the real celebrities figure this out. Imagine Eminem doing a live chat with his fans.
- Robert Scoble
This is the midnight hour thread that Scoble starts, I love it. Nothing more interesting in the world is going on at this time!
- Colin
Eminem's FF page would be filled with "fsck the free world" and such
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Ken: what's even cooler is I'm following every single person on this thread.
- Robert Scoble
your the man Robert... this thread proves that friend feed is way better than twitter.
- Robert Freeze
Prolific: yeah, but you think my items move fast? Wait until Eminem gets here. Then you'll see tens of thousands of people join in one item.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: sssshhhh, keep it quiet for a while longer. Let's enjoy this short period in time before the masses arrive.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: he doesn't need to type. You can do live video here, too, and watch the text chat.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: FYI, You can do the list thing on tweetdeck too. I have lists on both seesmic and tweetdeck. :) It does help, but honestly you miss some. I know because my lists are MUCH smaller than yours and I still miss and wind up with multiple posting. I really think at some point the size of the stream is just simply too large to do it all right. I worry about ticking off several hundred....
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- Sheryl
he'll just invent other aliases to do his typing for him :)
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
is FF planning on letting us share friend lists?
- Gary Gannon
David: hmm, I am using Seesmic Desktop with Facebook and I don't have much noise there (in the status updates). Of course I was very lucky. I filled up my 5,000 friends with pretty quiet people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I have 5,400 people waiting to be my friend over there. That's why I ignored Facebook for the past year and took to friendfeed (no limits here).
- Robert Scoble
By the way, the conversations are BY FAR better here than on Twitter or Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I don't have enough friends on facebook to worry.
- Robert Freeze
My real life friends all noticed the day I installed the Twitter application -- they all started saying, "Wow you're on FB a lot!" because all the texts to Twitter went into FaceBook. Now I have friends who have joined Twitter because everyone else is and I have to say I enjoy seeing their Tweets less because I see it all on FaceBook and vice-versa.
- Gib
Robert: Ah! But private messaging on FB rocks! :)
- Sheryl
Sheryl: it rocks more here in friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
If everyone used the same service this wouldn't be an issue. Will things ever settle or are we bound to a constantly evaluating new services?
- Ryan Stanley
Gib, the Cleaner FriendFeed userstyle is an option. See my latest comment on it http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - if you're familiar with CSS you can make you're own adjustments. It will work on Safari with GreaseKit installed http://8-p.info/greasekit/ - just shout out if you need tips setting it up.
- Micah
settling is not any fun - it's the innovation that gets me excited.
- Robert Freeze
Ryan: I seriously doubt everyone will switch to using one service. If anything something like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop will make it all look like one service to their users.
- Robert Scoble
The app's dev team would have to constantly studying everyone tom dick and harry's latest API changelog. And that doesn't even address all the third party modules for the app.
- Ryan Stanley
David: the problem is that all three services are innovating too, and I doubt that all those innovations will be shared immediately by services like Tweetdeck, Peoplebrowsr, or Seesmic Desktop. Heck, how many of those support friendfeed so far?
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed to Facebook status-update is definitely lame. FriendFeed to FriendFeed-application post on Facebook seems fine to me. You can hide someone's FriendFeed-application posts on Facebook if you don't want to see them, but the only way to hide status updates is to hide that person altogether.
- Edward Coffey
Eventbox pulls a lot of goodies in. I just don't dig it too much for some reason.
- Gib
At some point all integral tech settles, and then becomes eligible for mass adoption.
- Ryan Stanley
Robert: I have never had a private message on FriendFeed other than Ken! :)
- Sheryl
I agree cross-posting is lame. But Robert, I've seen your intake rig: you're hard-core. You are all the places that my fragmented audience would be. It's no wonder you see stuff so many times.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
David: Loic promised friendfeed support in a future version of Seesmic Desktop. It's the poor child of the three because it has the fewest users, so it's easily ignored by these app developers.
- Robert Scoble
I tried starting a FriendFeed iphone app twice last week, but ended up working on Twitter ones again instead.
- Colin
Sheryl: DM's rock here because we can go back and forth "live" just like we are here. On Facebook? Um No. On Twitter? Um No.
- Robert Scoble
The constant evaluation of different services is kind of frustrating. I keep thinking I'll find a good use for twitter and I sort of get close and then it fails for me again. Friendfeed just seems to be better in so many ways. And Facebook seems great for very personal connections but, casual internet conversations, Friendfeed really seems like the answer.
- Steve McLelland
It's only this way because people have not realized it's potential...I use to think Friend Feed was a twitter want-a-be... boy was I wrong
- Robert Freeze
Colin: you should do a friendfeed one that adds some cool feature like location. Kick Twinkle's ass.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not a fan of cross posting. I define what I am to use each service for and try to keep the content unique to each one, Tumblr for iPhone pics, FB for friends and Family stuff, Twitter for my geek stuff, BK for pics of location, etc etc etc...
- Andrew Acomb
Robert: and you haven't even discovered friendfeed's search, or its groups.
- Robert Scoble
Never heard of it, I downloaded "MotherFeed", and tried, "BuddyFeed"
- Colin
Colin: no, that's an iPhone app for Twitter that also tracks location.
- Robert Scoble
kind of funny that the poor child with the fewest users has the most robust convos
- Gary Gannon
In your opinion Robert, what is lacking most on the iphone for FriendFeed? Real-time commenting?
- Colin
funny that all the other service are copying FF
- Andrew Acomb
Robert - yah I have and I love it - If I was not married I would be seducing it now.
- Robert Freeze
Gary: friendfeed is growing very fast. It might not be the poor step child for long.
- Robert Scoble
David: I sure hope Palm will figure out how to get friendfeed support. It has Facebook support built into its contact list, though.
- Robert Scoble
It would really help if FriendFeed could find a way to identify reposts across different services and group them together under a drop down item (or something like that). Didn't the old version of FriendFeed do that?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul: the new one does too, but it doesn't always catch the reposts.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: You can do live video in FriendFeed? How?
- Shawn Hickman
Shawn: I use Kyte.tv. It kicks off a discussion in friendfeed. Everyone can watch live and comment on both Kyte or friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thanks, I am going to be checking that out:)
- Shawn Hickman
Stuart: I'm not. I was noticing that a very large percentage of the people I read on all these services ARE cross posting.
- Robert Scoble
That's a major reason I stopped following Lockergnome, just got annoying
- Andrew Acomb
Robert, perhaps you should do a post on your blog about how to avoid cross posting.
- Robert Freeze
I have started to just post to FF which then sends it out to Twitter. I guess that is cross posting.
- Shawn Hickman
Robert: you can't avoid it. Unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
Scobes: I annoyed myself on Friday. Stopped pushing my FF to facebook. I'll just be loud in person.
- Kevin Murray
perhaps a cross posting best practices...
- Robert Freeze
I just cross posted this manually over on Facebook. It'll be interesting to see if anyone comes over from Facebook. I've found that engagement is a lot lower there than it is on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Stuart, that is what I like most about FF. It's a great hub for your things
- Shawn Hickman
sorry to ask something off topic but is there a way to do a date range search on FF?
- Gary Gannon
One question I kept asking myself was whether I wanted to follow someone on twitter whom I was already subscribed to on FF. I've decided no.
- Ahsan Ali
didnt hate it till i started using seesmic desktop more :) now i want to stop feeding twitter into facebook
- sean percival
While this is annoying for those who use multiple services, I think we're some time away before it becomes a problem for most folks. On the list of things to fix about these services, this is low priority. Smart filtering tools will sort this out, helped by more centralized control for users on where things go out.
- Brad_King
Agree - personally, I no longer "auto post" twitter and Facebook. As to friendfeed, I am watching it but not really using it as "central"
- Mick Yates
the reason why i can't avoid cross posting is that i know people who follows twitter+ff+fb, but also people who is only on fb, or twitter, and i'd like all of them to be able to read what i'm talking about...
- Ivana
Micah: Installed SIMBL & GreaseKit but haven't seen anything to make FriendFeed less ugly. Do I need a script?
- Gib
Gary: I don't know how to do a date-range limited search in friendfeed. There's a lot of stuff still missing in the search features here.
- Robert Scoble
I like how it showed up from Scoble and Loic in the sub-result
- Colin
Andrew, thanks, I just Tweeted that Google search.
- Robert Scoble
I never, ever crosspost to FB. For a number of reasons, not the least of which is that my mother doesn't need to read all the geek stuff I post :) I wish folks would stop sending Twitter to FB, too
- Karoli
Interesting, then we'll no longer need gmail ?
- Ahsan Ali
what's what's what's to to to discuss discuss discuss ? ? ?
- Ted Russ
Just realized that my comments were being sent to twitter as well. Oops, just turned that off:)
- Shawn Hickman
It's about time you realized that. I always disliked those Friendfeed -> Twitter reposts.
- Morton Fox
Ted: nothing nothing nothing, go go go on on on with with with your your your lives lives lives.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: THOSE I am not going to stop.
- Robert Scoble
Morton: but I scientifically am engineering each one to start a conversation now. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I do enjoy sending my "likes" to twitter though
- Shawn Hickman
Chacun a son gout! I find twitter is a good place to park a thought in public. I know people who read my twitter posts who will never join facebook and vice versa. Many's the time when a twitter post has sparked off a really good conversation in facebook.
- Nic Price
Sid: it's only occassionally like this here. Most of the time items don't get any engagement.
- Robert Scoble
while it goes with the territory i understand cross posting for many is necessary since it is reaching different audiences. it's the nature of the infrastructures. however, friendfeed's detection of similar content and providing a nested link may be on to something. grouping up related topics by the same poster across platforms may help filter much of the redundancy. having them nested...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
There's no hard and fast rule for reposting, it depends on your twitter audience and what you want to achieve. It's an option, after all.
- Ahsan Ali
Gib, grab the userscript here: http://userstyles.org/styles... but make sure you use the "Load as user script" button (can't be a user style, need to be a user script for GreaseKit). It's a distinctive look, I actually prefer the native FF design most of the time, but the comment highlighting alone is worth the price of admission. Anyway, you can customize it from there.
- Micah
also, I find the conversations take on different tones depending on which service/site they're happening on - depending on levels of familiarity etc.
- Nic Price
perhaps i'm biased but i've never invested much on greasemonkey since -as far as i understand it- it only affects locally, client-side & does not reflect what others would typically see. it's more of a local solution to a more widely distributed problem.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
cutting out the duplicates wouldn't work because the posts may trigger different conversations in each place - merging them together might make nonsense of the flow
- Nic Price
Yes, cutting dups with a client-side script would be difficult because of realtime updates bubbling posts up to the top.
- Micah
Sid, no easy button, but you can use my script that adds a Comment and Like links to the bottom of a thread http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
sid: i suppose what i'm arguing for is more of a universal solution that does not require installing yet another script. it's something that other users may come across that could havea more elegant solution. don't get me wrong, i'm all for mods, hacks, and scripts but i think that problems like that can be better solved in broader strokes -more utility for more users with the least effort.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
just realised I followed Robert's link here from twitter!
- Nic Price
It doesn't deal with dups, but here's a user script you can use to filter out (hide) @-replies and/or posts with a list of stop words you can define http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Nic Price: I'm not talking about cutting out duplicates, just grouping them together so they don't clutter up the stream like a Twitter conversation. FriendFeed could take the first instance of the content item to enter the stream and designate it as the lead item. All the subsequent posts could be added to it under a drop down arrow. You can comment on any of them but at least group them together, tidy the stream.
- Paul Jacobson
Maybe this is only an issue for power users. I can't see casual followers on any single system being hit with the realization what they've read is showing up in all the places they read. They just aren't as nuts about all this as we are and maybe that's a good thing.
- Jack Humphrey
sid: perhaps this whole ghoulash of stuff will eventually boil down into more internet standards that will some day work. granted companies by nature will have proprietary technologies and core competencies, but a level of workability across platforms may be necessary. the momentum has gradually started with efforts towards openid, facebook connect, and the like. it may be the beginning...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Paul Jacobson: agreed, the grouping of conversations sounds good. I guess there's also the issue about permissions and conversations happening in public vs private.
- Nic Price
I setup as "main entrance" of posting FF where import also RSS from blog, public Delicious, and Shared from GReader, then via yahoo pipe I setup an rss for import ((My FF stream) + (My FFlikes)) into Facebook notes... then i read on TW, FF and GReader, but post only on FF... seems perfect except for the pain of notes import on Facebook that is awful and buggy :(
- CantorJF
Someone once told me - it's not who follows you, it's who you follow. Hence, I follow different people on my regularly visited platforms so I don't have a cross posting problem. ;)
- Mona Nomura
@Mona Nomura: what if a person you follow on twitter, and you don't follow on ff, starts on ff a conversation about something posted on twitter?
- Ivana
Nic Price: I am sure the gurus behind the scenes can figure all that stuff out.
- Paul Jacobson
Ivy /composmentis - my head just exploded.
- Mona Nomura
just thinking out loud. an open source laconica-style interface with threaded discussions seems like one possible way. each user can be on separate services. but unlike info silos, everybody can get up to speed in a single-threaded discussion -similar to blind carbon copy emails. if anything happens it might involve an infrastructure change in transparency. at the granular level, much of the temporal mechanics can be learned & carry over from tcp/ip defragmenting of packets...
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Yup...see the same thing, and don't like that I inadvertently spam my followers/friends.
- Carlton Hackett
sid: just seeing a possible outcome. it can be like a light at the end of a very long tunnel. users would have to change over time and realize what's going on. 'twitter++' could require funneling & processing the twitter stream (as friendfeed and other services are doing but with more sophistication). this would mute out its own direct usefulness as a single entity for a next higher...
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- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Totally agree: Especially the thing that some people do: Syncing their Twitter feed to Facebook. To me, Twitter is for conversations, Facebook for status messages and more general "What am I doing".
- Oyvind Solstad
I used to keep my FB seperate from Twitter and FF. Now I see all of my FF posts on my FB. But no one is to blame but myself for clicking on that "link" button. I may ''unlink" if such a thing exists.
- Carol E
Go to: http://www.facebook.com/editapp... ; From there you can edit settings to where your posts are no longer published on your FB wall, seen only by you, etc. Good luck!
- Carol E
I wish the aggregation services like FriendFeed were smart enough to recognize when someone is using ping (or whatever tool) to spam their stuff to every service out there when they post something and just show it to you ONCE. I really hate the cross-posting that occurs, too. It just creates so much noise. I generally unfollow/unfriend people across ALL services when they do the...
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- Christopher A. Wichura
The other problem with cross-posting, is any responses are now in separate places in separate threads of conversation.
- Christopher A. Wichura
It's interesting seeing how advanced the discussion is here. I know plenty of intelligent and net-aware people who don't even know what FF or Twitter really are yet. It's gotta be client solutions, since plenty of people already have their own mental view of what each service is for. RT is valuable, because it expands ideas across different social circles (preferably, with a comment why too). I'd love to see laconi.ca API take over as a base, but doubt it will.
- Shane Curcuru
I also hate cross-posting within Friendfeed itself, I just hate to see the same URL shared by lots of other friends. There has to be someway to globalize the links and show only the views of my friends from that.
- Jayavasanthan J
Yes I am tending to agree, its a bit strange to see the same things. The amount of original content at any one time is really not that high.
- Robert
Well, I agree. Thanks to Friendfeed though, my accounts are behaving like cross posting. Everything I do on Facebook, Digg, Youtube, Last.fm gets relaid back to FF and FF relays it back to Twitter. If I do something on Twitter, it comes to FF as well...
- Manuel Mas
Some things should be cross posted: Freedom isn't free... Honor our veterans by taking a moment to Join the Memorial Day group on facebook http://bit.ly/zngxm
- Bob Stewart
Cross posting can be annoying but as there are now so many posting platforms it seems inevitable, it is simply some peoples response to having so many similar but not identical systems. Either an ettiquette needs to be established or some way to better interconnect things like Twitter, FF, Facebook is needed
- Robert Davies
There are too many of these stupid things. Facebook's a winner and loser; it'll win "personal," lose "public" content. Twitter's a loser, too limited in uses, e.g. no real discussions. Friendfeed (or similar) will win.
- Maxwell Kennerly
this is getting annoying indeed... Ive started to use FF more than twitter now. Is there a FF blackberry app?
- Nigel Walsh
Nigel, have you tried fftogo? Not full featured, but works on ANY mobile.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
While I dislike cross posting myself I'm highly guilty of doing it. I blame the disconnected decentralized websites and mediums causing needs to do it. There is no single decentralized network message bus/format. Someone needs to sit down and write an RFC so things will continue to work years after the initial companies FAIL and we can just move on to better problems to solve instead of doing the same ones over and over.
- rob friedman
We need a sort of Digg system that presents material based on an aggregated contact list from our different networks. It should recognize duplicate submissions and I suppose it could also rank content using exponential weighting based on the degrees of separation between viewer and submitter. If this already exists, please point me to it.
- Benjamin Winters
Each service I use has a specific purpose - I don't cross post anything :)
- Chris Saad
If each service had a specific purpose, then all these websites would stop trying to be everyone's everything online, adding new features or design tweaks that copy another site each week.
- rob friedman
@Rob those sites don't get it and will not survive. I use twitter for microblogging, I use wordpress for blogging, I use flickr for photos and video. Everything gets aggregated into FriendFeed so that people can subscribe to a singe stream. What else do I need?
- Chris Saad
Cross posting comes off like some form of Tourette's or short-term memory loss. You might understand the problem but it's still annoying.
- AJ Kohn
@chris, Well what you need is subjective. WordPress is a blog, and is trying to become a (self)hosted twitter for everyone. Flickr is just a hyper networked gallery installation. FriendFeed is a feed aggregation website, too many similar FOSS to list, special because it does HTTP long polling to the web browser client making updates seem "real" time to the user. Twitter is short, easy has feeds and works via SMS. All want to have a real time conversation or content archived on the web.
- rob friedman
I think that an other way to put the question is this: the content I create in the web is scattered everywhere and often is out of my control. In the old days of NNTP, my postings in the news where searchable and all the communication directed to me was in my inbox. Today things are disperse and aggregators, like FF create problems as they solve other problems. I think I would like to...
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- Michele Costabile
I still try to post different content, and post content relevant to the readership, you know Mashable is posting different stuffs on Facebook, Twitter (the only time crosspost with their website) and Friendfeed (some content may be similar).
- polou/indigo_bow
Cross-posting from Twitter to Friendfeed started to bug me a few weeks ago when I realized most of my tweets where of no interest to people in Friendfeed. I just realized that I can save a custom search from Twitter and use it to filter the messages that get cross-posted using a hashtag (like Selective Twitter for Facebook does). The point is: more granular control of cross-posting.
- Andrés David Aparicio
Seriously, folks got together on OAuth. Can they get together on a GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on messages? At least then client developers (and UI alike) could develop methods of shrinking duplicate original content.
- Jason Nunnelley
the feedalizr app removes or hides duplicates from your stream so you dont see the same Twitter and Friendfeed posts more than once www.feedalizr.com
- Rafiq Phillips
I may have to give feedalizr a try, as this past week I've been trying to remove duplicates from my Friendfeed stream. The main problem is with anything posted on Posterous, as it cross posts the same thing to Twitter, identi.ca and a couple of other places. Usually on places like identi.ca, it's not a problem. But here, I get three versions of the one post, and I had to remove posting to tumblr to really rein it in. Wasn't there supposed to be a setting that cut duplicates down in FF?
- George Hall (Australia)
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- samual
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- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I just had my last Pepsi Throwback today. I only found the Mountain Dew's once. But I also discovered Blackberry Izze's this week http://www.izze.com.
- Paul Reynolds
That already make it this way in Dr. Pepper's hometown in TX don't they?
- G Dub of the Carolinas
Gunny - yeah, but you have to order it and have it shipped. It's not quite as convenient as just picking up a case at the grocery store.
- James (@willia4)
There are two types of Dr Pepper to look for. One has the Imperial Pure Cane Sugar logo and is made in various places. The other is made in Dublin, TX, which continued to make Dr Pepper with sugar after the switch to corn syrup.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Thanks for the leads. Maybe I'm crazy but the throwback Pepsi tasted better to me. Paul, I found it at Wal-mart of all places.
- Heather Solos
I could be wrong but I think the Throwbacks were a hit and a test for a future direction. If so, you may see them move back to sugar rather than corn syrup. HFCS just has such a bad reputation these days in people's minds and of course some studies back this. Whether HFCS or Sugar, we just need to moderate our intake like anything else. I do prefer the taste of Sugar in the Throwbacks...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Coincidentally, Hardee's messed up my order this morning and I had my first sip of Diet Coke in a looong time. YUCK! I used to like that crap?? Seriously folks, switch to regular soda (even the HFCS stuff) for a couple of months and then try diet to see if you still like it.
- Paul Reynolds
I have been hoping they are a success. I drink soda in moderation just a couple a week, my kids split a can once in a while. I'd much rather it was regular sugar.
- Heather Solos
Thank you everyone!!! I couldn't be more excited! My cheeks hurt from smiling so much today. We got to hear the baby's heartbeat too. It was so awesome!!! He/She is due on December 8th. Thank you all for the love and support! =)
- David Cook
OMG Congrats David!!!!! And as a side note, if FF turns into the magic baby bringing social media site, I might have to cut back a little ;-)
- FFing Enigma
@Mostafa Lameei, yes this will be the first one. I have a lot of close people with kids to go to for advice though. I'm ready for him or her. ;)
- David Cook
Congrats David, I promise I won't comment on the current machine settings used, okay I will...person has the gain way too high for the posterior portion of the image. I am soooo anal about these things. Give me their number, I will make certain your next pics are better.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
Great for you and the momma! All the best ~ it's such an exciting time!!!!
- Lori
Steve, I was just about to give up RSS for Twitter, but then a few weeks ago, you wrote that Twitter had peaked, so I decided to just wait until the next thing I'm supposed to give up for the next thing I'm supposed to trade it in for.
- Rex Hammock
for me Twitter supplements my RSS consumption but doesn't replace any of it. Twitter is more about discovery of things I wouldn't normally know about via RSS.
- Tac Anderson
I agree, it is more like mining for information on twitter.
- Drew Lucas
Don't have time for both RSS and Twitter so I focus on the current conversation over the archive.
- Jason Catena
Twitter & Hacker News have taken up most of frequent, distracted attention I used to spend on reading feeds. I still go back to feeds to do my deep reading tho
- Kingsley Joseph
I have to agree that RSS has fallen off my radar due to the time I put into Twitter and other Social Media tools (FF).
- John Flynn
I will never ditch RSS. It is too easy and great. I don't check as often as Twitter, but I can save posts and refer back to them when I need to. I can also easily find blogs there, rather than my bookmarks, which is flooded. Twitter is GREAT, but who knows if it will last? MySpace was great once, too. RSS is more stable than a social network, and easier to sort (no hashtags required).
- Angela Wilson
I wouldn't. For the Twitter and RSS have different uses. And I wouldn't spam the people that follow me at twitter with links to posts.
- Bibi
Not ditched, but Twitter's become my primary social RSS. They're different rabbits.
- phil baumann
two different things...two different uses. ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
i use friendfeed for both feedreading and twitterstream.
- lodro
I'm just cutting down on number of followers and feeds. Seems to help with managing information overload.
- Dave "Freedom 35"
Twitter is too ephemeral... would need some organization (folders/tags/saved-searches) and mark-as-read functionality at the very least for me to even consider it. RSS is essential to me for required reading and for discovery.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Not at all, if anything Twitter/Friendfeed etc has helped me find new RSS feeds to add.
- Adam Turetzky
That's like hiring the garbage company to DELIVER trash to your door.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Twitter for Microblogs and Status Updates, Google Reader for regular blogs, Friendfeed for actual conversations!
- Dane Findley
Ditching RSS in lieu of Twitter?? What's next, ditching email for DM's? Not a smart move.
- Kevin Pruett
I think Kevin just summed it up nicely. I'll just add: The number of websites who provide real-time updates to Twitter is minuscule. When that changes, then we'll talk about swapping RSS for Twitter.
- Alexander Grundner
Nope, absolutely not. Twitter serves its purpose as microblogging and link sharing but RSS still has a purpose for me. Not everything I read is shared through Twitter (actually, I should hope not!). If I got all my news through Twitter, it would be more of an echo-chamber than it already is. Further more, I work in marketing. I use RSS to keep up with client industry news and to aggregate information. Twitter cannot do this for me.
- Violet Mae Lim
I got sick of reading long blog posts about the best way to develop software.... at least with twitter you get rid of long windedness. :)
- Paul Kinlan
i did not. and i won't you can't find in 140 char what a full page gives you
- Ouriel Ohayon
...i've mostly ditched blogging for Twitter.
- .LAG liked that
I have ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I prefer the Real-Time Web. Welcome to the RTW!
- Dimitar Vesselinov
Everyone! Haven't you heard -- Twitter is dead. Oh wait. I'm confused. RSS is dead. Umm. Steve Gillmor? It's TechCrunch -- it's dead. That's right.
- Dave Winer
Feedly + Firefox really makes Google Reader useful, IMHO
- .LAG liked that
no way. though i have reduced the number of feeds i actively keep up with.
- coffee
++Lag. Love my Feedly plus FF/Twitter. I have cut down on feeds however.
- Bonnie Foster
I love my netnewswire. It's all the stuff I've personally asked for rather than the stuff others feel they need to throw at me.
- Josh Kinal
from twhirl
OK, so this post brought out mostly RSS lovers (which I remain). Yet why is it that some are now railing against RSS? Here's another thought RSS = a standard. We have no standards for status updates and thus Twitter and Facebook are in the driver's seat. RSS is final and stable.
- Steve Rubel
Nope. I see different uses in the different services. I like the organization of a reader. and I like your comment about the standards and stability and lack thereof on Twitter and FB. Also, I like to pick my news sources and trust that I am getting something accurate. SkyGrid is a nice combination of real fast / real time and reliable.
- Martha
On the contrary, besides using Twitter, I've added lots of RSS from Twitter to Google Reader.
- Mike Reynolds
My comment is a bit suggestive because of my work with Alltop. But even so, Twitter could not replace the gens I find via RSS too.
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
Sheri- Because people like to talk about this "king" "killing" that "king" and "destroying" this "queen" blah blah blah. ;) In my opinion, one new form of technology or communication doesn't always have to replace another.
- Violet Mae Lim
That question is ridiculous. RSS is far easier to manage and customize and can deliver a lot more information. Watching the interests of your social graph on Twitter is great, but far more and higher quality information can be consumed, (re)organized, and aggregated with a good RSS reader.
- David Chartier
I'm stuck between using FriendFeed and Google Reader but I defenetely like FF more than twitter for that function!
- Brian
from BuddyFeed
Still like both. With Twitter I feel like I keep up with individuals better, and catch new stuff earlier than I might anywhere else. Reader still gives me a ton of good reading from all the places I like best though ...
- Patrick Jordan
I still use RSS but more for reference. I get the link to the post in Twitter and then go look at the feed
- Janet Fouts
I'm still a fan of Netvibes, and I have not ditched RSS for Twitter, I've made some RSS out of Twitter searches, does that count?
- Albert Maruggi
FriendFeed replaced RSS for me a while ago.
- Thomas Hawk
Ditch RSS for Twitter? Never. RSS is the fuel for the real time web - they're complimentary products. http://bit.ly/10dkr8
- AJ Kohn
I will most likely not ditch ditch rss for twitter, both are good and valuable, but rss is useful since one can't always read it
- Justin Yost
The more interesting question may be how many have replaced RSS with FriendFeed...
- Josh Street
from twhirl
<sigh> I dunno. I see twitter as a subplot of FF and FF is also a subplot. Even slashdot used to be cool.
- Derek Lords
Haven't heard Slashdot mentioned in years
- Mike Reynolds
Ditching RSS for Twitter will work as the idea that people wouldn't look at paintings once photos came out
- shelisrael1
I think there is some confusion here. Are we talking about giving up on the technology that is called RSS, or are we simply talking about switching the platform on which we consume these ie. ditching google reader for friendfeed or twitter. Friendfeed lives on RSS feeds, the links you get on twitter most probably come straight out of someone's rss reader. The question is, if we ditch...
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- Kasper Sorensen
I discover more of value through friendfeed than twitter, really. But once I determine the long term value of a site it goes into my google reader, if it's Really important (i.e. top 10) it goes in my operamini feeds on my phone.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
it is like dithing your car for fishing: they are not the same. More precisely, Rss gives you focuses attention on the sources of information. Twitter gives you second hand check-it-outs that are possibly not so focused or accurate, but *seem* more urgent because they are in real time.
- Michele Costabile
I use RSS, don't like twitter, and seems no reason.
- yagami
How many of you have ditched bathing for Twitter - and if so why?
- Dave Winer
I ditched porn for Twitter since, you know, it makes so much sense to do so.
- Scott Jarkoff
I use both RSS and Twitter. I use Twitter more frequently though.
- Donelle
RSS is quite useful, both serve their own purpose
- Erik Magraken
this is BS, twitter can't and won't replace RSS, neither will friendfeed for that matter
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Twitter gives me a portal to the author but won't replace RSS
- Joe Dawson
I increasingly use Twitter Search rather than Google Search or RSS to find cleantech news to blog about.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Nopes, Twitter has a long way to go before it replaces RSS. My days begins by reading 500 feeds, imagine how many tweets would I have to go through to get all those news!
- Rajtilak Bhattacharjee
Friendfeed can do that. Not twitter
- Rohit
from twhirl
For ordinary web users who are only interested in a handful of feeds, maybe 10 or 20 then twitter beats a feed reader hands down. Much simpler to use, easy to understand and real time. Plus twitter has the social media/communication features. However power users that are tracking 100 or more feeds need a reader for their research. The google reader / feedly combination is hard to beat for these people.
- Adrian
How can Twitter replace a few decent RSS feeds? Not understanding the Twitter love...
- George Gray
I don't understand, RSS and Twitter are two different services. Have I missed something? :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I spend time on Twitter where I would have otherwise been in Google Reader. It's easier to follow trending topics on Twitter.
- Peter Warnock
did a blog post a while back called 'my network is my search engine' but truth is, probably meant my 'network is one of my rss feeds' - not an either or proposition for me
- leigh himel
No, they're two different use cases for me. Twitter is real time conversation. RSS is non-real time information.
- Ian Betteridge
What Ian said. IMHO, their strengths are so different it would be silly not to use both.
- Karen Mohler
If anything, Twitter points me towards more stuff to add to my RSS!
- Amie Gillingham
Yeah, what Ian said. I'd just get lost in the info if I got all RSS via Twitter.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
I am using RSS in FriendFeed. What I have ditched is Google Reader. RSS is underlying technology, not an application. We'll keep using that underlyng technology for a long time. We may ditch the readers, but not the RSS itself.
- Bora Zivkovic
I haven't ditched sourcing news via RSS for Twitter, but I have subscribed to more news via Twitter and find myself getting it more frequently on twitter.
- tekhelet
This isn't the right kind of debate. It's distracting from the fact that both are useful.
- William Mougayar
nope, not going to happen. A) twitter doesn't have all the blogs I read B)there's no good aggregation of blog notices - I can't come back 2 days later & find older content.
- clarke thomas
For Twitter? No, maybe for Friendfeed in some time.
- Diego Espinoza V.
Because I got the gist of the post and a quick link in the same stream. No more reader for over 12 months
- derek
Traditional RSS readers are even more boring than Facebook. Stopped using them a long time ago. I do consume RSS feeds still in FriendFeed but though a socially filtered lifestyle.
- Thomas Hawk
I have pretty much ditched RSS for FriendFeed. I use Twitter also.
- Bill Romanos
for must part..BUT subscribing via RSS to derivations from Twitter can be useful, for example, I subscribe via RSS to http://www.whatthetrend.com/ . It gives me the day's trends PLUS explanations as to why which is key. Extremely useful to go through just in case I missed something during the day.
- Mike Bracco
your followings are your feed source - Human Syndication. spending most of your time on Twitter, you dont have time to switch to RSS. Also, with RSS feeds coming from media companies, news may not break as quickly with human syndication which Twitter provides. With RSS feeds coming from Blogs, the news will have broken out on Twitter prior to that blogger's RSS feed hitting you somehow...
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- iTbay
RSS bankrupcy. Hundreds of blogs unread. By reading Twitter only on the web and not on the phone, and using Twitter search, I get what I get. The rest finds its way, so I don't have to pile up enormous wads of reading in my Google reader. RSS is still absolutely vital, however, for those who block you on Twitter. You search their name, RSS the search results, read them on Google. My new Google read attention space is the ppl like @ajkeen who have blocked me on Twitter.
- Prokofy Neva
I subscribe to Twitter hash-tag and keyword searches via RSS and read them in Google Reader. I see the them as complimentary.
- Mike Boudreaux
I usually have Google Reader/feedly & TweetDeck open at the same time.
- Jason R. Hunter
Hundreds of RSS feeds and no time to consume; Twitter better fits my lifestyle. Plus, the community that surrounds me shares very similar interests, so I can count on useful info from them.
- Paul Chaney
"Having RSS feed" =/= "using Twitter", so I read the RSS of a lot of sites every day via NetNewsWire.
- Rick Cogley
I use RSS to read Twitter (meaning) I can follow some people on Twitter via Google RSS reader (without really following them). Does that make sense?
- Doug Vos
$5.00/month 35Mbps down 2 Mbps up. Yes, that's five dollars. Louisville KY Insightbb/Cable. I could give you prices for my employer on residential and business side all day long though for each market.
- T-Bone Tsali, FF Cherokee
$110/mo for 6Mbps/768kbps ADSL - Speakeasy, in Oakland CA - protest dollars against Comcast and AT&T
- Robin Barooah
$65 / Month 4Mbps ADSL. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
- Tamer
$75/mo, ATL,Ga, 5down|500k up and $80/mo, Freeport, The Bahamas, 3down/512k up. Both Cable.
- Arawak
this is going to be a good query to try on wolfram alpha in "may 2009" when it releases
- Robin Barooah
from IM
$40/month (29.90 euros) in France for 25 Mbps down,/1 Mbps up ADSL (includes free international phone calls, plus more than 100 TV channels and other services)
- Brome
I get screwed here in guernsey $40 pm for a 2mb/512kb connection with dreadful latency and shared between too many people. It's a step down from the 14mb/1mb i was paying $25 for in london. In Aucland i was playing $60 for a 7mb connection capped at 50GB
- Jamie Vidamour
$45 US/month for 1.5mpbs and a 20GB download cap. Tasmania, Australia
- Bryce Roney
21,875$ for 1 MBPS / 512 KBPS // cable connection in istanbul/turkey. still preferring cable over adsl, because online gaming performance is much better.
- bora "head" basman
All this time I thought broadband was expensive. Turns out we seem to have the best speed for the money in Europe on average after all.
- Mark H
$33 for 24 down and 2 up (London, England)
- Phill Price
$30 for 8 down and 0.8 up, unlimited in London
- M F
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46 dollars a month for 6 MB down and 512KB up, Chances of actually ever seeing that 6MB down. Pretty damn slim. Pensacola Fl AT&T
- Tony C (Unrated)
from fftogo
Comcast cable modem - US - Connecticut: $42.95/mo (requires bundling with cable TV or it costs almost $60/mo - adds a minimum of $10/mo). 1.5 Mbps up/6 Mbps down.
- Tim Chemacki
~$36* / month for 3mbps down**, 30KBps** up in Fargo, ND. (CableOne). (*In six months, this becomes $50+ / month. **After downloading 1GB+ or uploading 200MB+, these speeds are cut in half until the next day)
- Jordan Hofker
I pay $150 a month for 20MB down/5 up, including phone service and TV (with DVR) in Beaverton, OR through Verizon FiOS.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
$47 a month to ATT/Bellsouth for 6mb down 512k up "naked DSL" In South Carolina USA
- G Dub of the Carolinas
About 40 USD in Cologne, Germany for 18M/1M DSL including analog phone. No caps. Wish I could get it without the phone service though. Cannot wait for fibre to reach my part of the city: 100M/10M for same price.
- Holger Eilhard
soon to be moving to a service that gives me 24mb down/1mb up with no cap or fair usage policy for about $30 here in the UK. No wonder UK ISP's are going broke when you consider how cheaply they're selling their connections for!
- alphaxion
alphaxion: who are you with - thats outreageously cheap.....
- Roberto Bonini
Titan ADSL when may 21st rolls along - £22 a month for 24mb and a monthly rolling contract, I really can't complain!
- alphaxion
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- Mr. Gunn
$37.74/month for 20Mbps/1Mbps Cable broadband by Virgin Media in Oxford, UK
- A Roy
yes Ahsan Ali, but this service is not available for all people, most people can not buy more than 128 K service due to government orders. i am a journalist and i allowed to use
- خیزران
$55 Colorado Springs/Comcast. Can't remember the speed, the standard plan around 22MB I think.
- Eric