brian junyor - Likes

@shey: this is totally the most awesome thing you've ever shared here on FF, ever. it's a significant, seminal moment. let us recognize. - .LAG liked that

LMAO - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Brilliant ... - Patrick Jordan

Sorry, I'd join, but I'm washing my hair tonight. - Steven Perez

Free Rat's Ass with every new membership...(when that new shipment comes in next Wednesday) - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

We're thrilled to welcome all our new members! ... - Shey, Jamaican of FF

Can I be treasurer? - Mary Carmen

Great. Just what we need, new members. - ha3rvey (Ho)^3

My dad must have been one of the Founding Fathers of that society. - Spidra Webster

How do I not join? - Flavio Santos

Evernote

Evernote, a Free Storage App, Seeks More Paying Users - NYTimes.com - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...

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Evernote Rules! - Mike Tartaglia

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I partially agree: The service is great and maybe the desktop app is awesome (I haven't tried it). The web app on the other hand, is awful: the top and bottom bars waste precious screen real estate leaving netbook users like me with little space to actually read the notes. In addition, I'm getting more 'Unknown exception' errors than ever. I'm not a premium user but I'm willing to pay to see improvement on the web app. - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

I am a paying customer and I use this service daily. However I agree that the web app is not optimized from a UI point of view. The mousepointer is always a cross, the tag badges are too big and there is too much white space in there. Suggestion: forget the table view. "Things on Mac" http://culturedcode.com/things... has a nice approach to this: "Look Ma, no columns!". - ping13

Nice picture of Phil. - Mattk

I couldn't live without my (upgraded) evernote account. But I agree, a list view for the Web interface (and for the iPhone) is desperately needed. - Andrea Sturm

Guy Kawasaki

Is Yahoo working on a Twitter killer? http://om.ly/Ipll

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Who isint?? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone

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I don't know WTF Yahoo is doing here. Meme has less features than Posterous and Tumblr and with history of how they handled Yahoo 360 (and Geocities), who'd want to invest their blogging in Meme? No innovation + terrible reputation = DOA. - Andre P. Siregar

Just as each company has their own chat client which can interact now, these microblogging services will all "interact" in the future. Twitter will belong to a bigger company IMO. - Gus

Not sure what you mean by "interact". RSS has already enabled content to be transferred from one platform to another. Or are you saying Yahoo is building a Twitter client, not Twitter killer? - Andre P. Siregar from email

By "interact" I mean what we're doing right now, only you might be on Twitter while I might be on, let's say, Yahoot. - Gus

LANjackal to LANjackal's feed, Twitter, TheNextWeb Forum

Twitter Needs a Spam Filter? No, We Need a Marketer Filter - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...

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"Apparently, marketers are calling for Twitter to filter out spam and other adult content from the microblogging service. You know, so their all-important tweets about the products and services they're pushing don't have to share the same web space as that other nasty stuff. But fighting actual spammers is still relatively easy for an end-user: it's called the "unfollow" button." - LANjackal from Bookmarklet

I don't get what all the fuss is about. You can already report spam, and you can't see anything on Twitter that you don't follow or actively search for *shrugs*. - LANjackal

Robert Scoble

Twitter's Alex Payne told me that Twitter will be competitive with friendfeed, Facebook, and whatever Google will do. More here:

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He told me they are going to add features that look like friendfeed's "likes" and "comments." - Robert Scoble

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Good, their Favoriting system right now is useless. It would be great to do more with Favorites. - Rob

He's already got the Favorites/Stars feature, sex that up a bit and it could eventually be comparable to Likes. The comments will be good to see. - Daniel J. Pritchett

But will it tie in other services the way FF does and put them into your Twitter Feed? - Mike Bracco

But he said they would be different, though. Also, during his talk at #140TC he told the audience they would make other changes to support search, including adding location based info to each Tweet. - Robert Scoble

Great, more Fail Whales! - sean andersen

Hmm, interesting to hear. - phil baumann

Phil: they know they are getting their ass kicked in search and are making metadata changes to head off the new competition. - Robert Scoble

Any other changes to their search? - phil baumann

At the end of the day, everyone copy from friendfeed :) - Orli Yakuel

so they're basically ripping off other sites' ideas because they've realized they're way too limited with their own? - Cee Bee

On the other hand, I'm listening to Twitter's Britt Selvitelle and he says he still thinks every day about the SMS constraints. - Robert Scoble

Cee: absolutely. I would. - Robert Scoble

@Rob - Favorites aren't entirely useless. I feed my Twitter favorites into my Friendfeed via RSS and they occasionally start new discussions:. - Daniel J. Pritchett

All interesting, but it seems they are moving further away from the core purpose at this point. - Patrick Boegel

Phil: they didn't announce any specific changes. These are more "hints" at what is to come. - Robert Scoble

who cares about SMS? Seriously, they need to ditch that constraint - Andy Hedges

Buzz: agreed! - Robert Scoble

Buzz: on the other hand, GupShup in India is growing faster than Twitter is because it supports SMS. - Robert Scoble

i understand. what i don't like is that people who use twitter don't credit or see the value in friendfeed, but will gush over these "new" features on twitter - Cee Bee

I hear younger folks (teens and collegiates I guess) still care about SMS far more than us working IT pros. Let's not throw the baby out. - Daniel J. Pritchett

SMS is HUGE in India and other countries. - Robert Scoble

Cee: that's life. That happened in Microsoft Windows too. - Robert Scoble

Daniel J. Pritchett: I've been doing the same with my Twitter favorites. - Joe Bonner

@Cee Bee - I'm happy that consumer web apps are ripping each other off. Each time FF successfully rolls out a great new feature they elevate the minimum expected level of acceptable service for new competitors. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Isn't there a Twitter equivalent in India that has hundreds of millions of users that haven't even logged into a website - all done through SMS - including the sign up process. - Mike Bracco

Joe: Twitter's favorites are hard to separate out from the messages, though. So it's hard to say "show me all Tweets that have #140tc in them but that have one like." Doing that here is VERY easy. - Robert Scoble

Mike: yes, that's GupShup. The founder is here at #140tc - Robert Scoble

I guess it needs to be an adaptive interface then, changes to suit the users usage modes - Andy Hedges

@Daniel ok, I stand corrected. That's one nice use of it. But we need searching of favs and the ability to see who is fav'ing. At least they (Twitter) are finally catching on to the potential of that feature. Too bad it took 2.5 years to realize that. - Rob

Robert, do you think they can catch up with Friendfeed in terms of features and reliability? - Jérôme Flipo

Maybe SMS is huge in countries that don't charge an arm and a leg for the privilege. I'd love to use it more often but not at $30/mo. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Jerome: yes. But that assumes that friendfeed will stand still and stop doing new features. - Robert Scoble

I agree with you there, Rob. I'd like for "twitter favorites" to be an official service recognized by the FF API so that it would be easier to search on as you mentioned just now. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Robert, assuming that the FF team keeps up the good work, naturally :) - Jérôme Flipo

Hey, if Twitter manages to consistently stay within 12 months of FF in terms of awesome new features the web will be a much cooler place overall. - Daniel J. Pritchett

Jerome: or, like Mark Zuckerberg told me "the race is to who can build a great search engine that has 250 million people on it." - Robert Scoble

Daniel, I 100% agree - Alex M.

At least Facebook as a revenue strategy, I just don't see that in FF or Twitter - Chris Patterson

Mark already has the 250 million people. Friendfeed has the great search engine. Twitter has neither. So, who will win this game? Heheh. - Robert Scoble

I think Pakistan has a SMS twitter clone they just released today. SMS is why I joined twitter. You can search favourites with http://twitter.infinityplusone.com/Search-... - motownmutt

SMS is a terrible interface for anything and all it does is make the phone companies piles of cash - Chris Patterson

Doesn't the popularity of SMS in India have at least something to do with the fact that few people have access to voice mail? I think I had heard something to that effect. - Christopher A Carr

That's the geek in you talking, Chris. SMS (and Twitter) are so sucessful *because* of their simplistic natures rather than in spite of them. - Daniel J. Pritchett

I like Twitter just not SMS, Twitter did't become useful for me until the desktop clients came along - Chris Patterson

What is the over/under on how long it will take b4 we see a blog post using "Friendfeed killer" in it's title? - Davis Freeberg

It seems like Twitter doesn't know what it wants to be. Do they want to be like MSFT and Windows and let everyone else make the apps or do they want to make the apps themselves. Apps in this case would be additional functionality built on the Twitter's raw data stream. Is this a poor analogy? I view Twitter more as a platform. - Mike Bracco

I'd like FF to win the race, since the team seems to care more about its vision and users than Twitter or FB. - phil baumann

Of course I still prefer FF. It woudl be very hard to have and follow this conversation on Twitter - Chris Patterson

Sure, The Twitter API can be Win32 and Summize, FriendFeed et al can be value-added acquisitions. - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Daniel: so you're saying that you think Twitter will IPO? I'm just wondering how acquisitions would be funded otherwise. - EnterpriseVault

No clue re: IPOs and acquisitions, I was just playing off of the Microsoft analogy above - Daniel J. Pritchett from IM

Chris: agree that following conversation is easier, (possible, even), on FF. twitter's in reply to's only work sporadically, especially with 3rd party apps. Trying to extract in depth conversations on twitter is a huge time-suck. - motownmutt

Daniel: thanks for clarifying. I actually think the same however there is no business path to it for now (IMO, that is). - EnterpriseVault

Robert: Thanks for clarifying the limitations of importing Twitter favorites. - Joe Bonner

sms popularity in India is nothing to do with voice mail. SMS in India is like Mozilla ubiquity for firefox. A command line interface for the mobile phone. Booking flights, paying bills and other thousands of usages including social networking. - Kiran Patchigolla

Interesting to see this post a few days later. No, I don't think twitter is going to be "competitive" with the Wave that Google announced today. A participant, for sure, but competitive? In their dreams. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Chris: I see more of a revenue strategy on FriendFeed in the long term that (for sure) Twitter, and likely Facebook. Facebook is lagging, while I see the structure in place for FriendFeed to seriously take over. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

You might like that one http://www.twittori.com which ads geotags to twitter messages already today - enzo

Kol Tregaskes to Kol's feed, Creative Design, Architectural & Interior Design, Cool!

Full Circle: Compact All-in-One Kitchen Station Design | dornob - http://dornob.com/full-ci...

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"Sometimes in small spaces, particularly urban retrofits, it is difficult to find wall space for everything needed to make a complete kitchen - or it is simply less desirable in the face of alternatives like these rotating kitchens from Compact Concepts." - Kol Tregaskes from Bookmarklet

I'm loving this. Talk about saving space. - Adriana

Steve Rubel

"Countries that are Least Affected by Recession" (I have been to two in the last six months) - http://www.labnol.org/interne...

May 26 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

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Ryo, it's OK. They listed the continent of South America as a country so it evens out. - Bruce Lewis from fftogo

Steve Rubel

Interesting stats from Evernote. I am slowly using it more - and I am rooting for them. - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...

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still convinced they wont make it? do you remember telling me that? - Zee.

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@Steve - top 3 reasons you use Evernote? - Dave Hodson

@Zee I am still unsure they will. I don't store anything of value in Evernote. - Steve Rubel

@Dave the bookmarklet and syncing. - Steve Rubel

I'm still waiting for encryption by note and notebook in Evernote, and hierarchical notebooks. - Rod Bauer from twhirl

@Steve - how is this different from Backpack? - Dave Hodson

@Dave Backpack is only for lists and notes - although you can do more with it. Evernote is a database. Sign up and upload some images with text in it. I don't keep my todos there. I use Things. - Steve Rubel

Made the switch to Evernote a few months back and have enjoyed the service. Tried it for GTD but now using Toodledo (@Steve - Agree Things is great but really needed a way to access it on other computers, how did you find that?) - Robert Mattar

@Robert, I store the file on MobileMe. http://culturedcode.com/things... - Steve Rubel

I really like Evernote, but what keeps me from using it is the inability to export your notes on a mac...The only export available is to an Evernote file...I don't like feeling locked in like that. - Chris Rossini

Steve, re Things on MobileMe: the page says "Choosing a web based location like iDisk is not possible. " . Is this incorrect? How are you doing it exactly? - Meryn Stol

@Meryn, simple. Move your folder as instructed here to iDisk then point Things at it http://culturedcode.com/things... - Steve Rubel

Steve, then the info on that page is probably wrong, because it states that you *can't* store the library on iDisk. At least, that's what I make of it... - Meryn Stol

Meryn, I have it working fine. Move the directory they mention on that page to a director in idisk then point it - Steve Rubel from IM

I wish there were an Evernote for task management. I've never really gotten into Things anyway. - Meryn Stol

I was a big google notebook fan but have since fallen in love with Evernote. - Russ Jackson

I admit, I only started using Evernote because of the Google Notebook dump, but I'm glad it happened now, Evernote does most of what I need. - Barbara

you gotta love the nice buildup of usage and it's mobile agnostic. I've tried jott too. Voice has a useful purpose...its' easy - Tery Spataro

I use Evernote on my iPhone, albeit rarely, but still have most of my stuff online at Google Docs which I often use as a notepad. - James Poling from email

Chris Brogan

Props to Eminem for Local Promotions - http://www.chrisbrogan.com/props-t...

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Why props? I'm actually embarrassed for them. Ashton and Diddy have more followers than Eminem. - Mona Nomura

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# of followers doesn't matter Mona as long as Em's fan are engaged and participating in what he is doing. - Brandon Mendelson

# of followers matter when it comes to celebrities and traditional media. Oprah alone generated ten times more buzz than Eminem. If we give kudos for frankly, half ass marketing strategies, the industry will not move forward. - Mona Nomura

I agree, but we're talking Twitter here, not traditional media. - Brandon Mendelson

It's all interdependent. - Mona Nomura

I think comparing what Oprah does to what Eminem does is a bit of a red herring. Eminem is only as good as his latest product, Oprah is a whole industry. Eminem needs to create buzz after a 5-year hiatus, while Oprah needs to sustain it. - ɥsıuɐʎɹ

I just stated a fact. Fact: Oprah generated ten times more buzz than Eminem. Why? Marketing/PR strategic differences. - Mona Nomura

It's the technique, Mona. He got people to do a local scavenger type event. It was physical and virtual at once. That's all. - Chris Brogan

Local businesses could create some fun events by adapting this example - Mark Gehrke

Brian Sullivan

Flyover: 1928 | Shorpy Photo Archive - http://www.shorpy.com/node...

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I for one welcome our new cylindrical overlords. - Andrew Leahey

Steve Rubel

Is Facebook Connect v. OpenID v. Google Friend Connect just Passport v. AOL Screename sign-on wars all over again or is there a bigger deal?

May 21 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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It's a much bigger deal. - Patrick

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@Patrick : How? Educate me. It seems like another standards war. - Steve Rubel

FB Connect requires an account on one particular service. OpenID doesn't. - Bruce Lewis

OK but how is this a big deal without a standard? - Steve Rubel from IM

I don't see any dominating since users don't really care. Bit.ly authenticates me through a Twitter API = future of making your service work BETTER with other applications, not coming up with your own closed baloney. I like this stuff and I'm getting tired of all my accounts everywhere and annoyed they don't bend over backwards to help me authenticate their own stupid service. - Maxwell Kennerly

Won't Facebook Connect just win here? If you operate a web site, which one should embrace? The one with the most users in your target demo, right? - Steve Rubel

Single sign-on tied to a specific company is not a good thing for users in the long run. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that OpenID will have the ease-of-use and fine granularity of controls to make it a good solution either. There are definite disadvantages to aggregating all aspects of your online identity under one umbrella, ripe for commercial and government exploitation. - LogEx

As users it seems we finally have a real reason to actually want a Universal ID. We want all of our friends to be able to see what we Twitter, digg, or share on GReader but we realize that everyone we know is not on each service. I believe the difference between now and attempts in the past, is that today there is an actual market for such a service. What I find interesting is that... more... - Patrick

It's more than just signons though, right? It's about socializing (bad word I know - we need a better one) every web site. - Steve Rubel

Facebook Connect would be the ideal sign-on -- but they're lacking users in key areas like India, China. Single-sign in isn't gonna bring people in. I like FB Connect / OpenID combo. - Andy Sternberg

It's also about identity. You can have an identity that is provably the same as an identity on another site. With OpenID it can also be about nothing more than sign-on. With Clickpass, for example, by default you have independent OpenID URLs so that sites can't conspire to tie all your info together. - Bruce Lewis

Steve, as far as who wins, you may be right. On the other hand, I operate a web site and embraced OpenID (via Clickpass) and not FB Connect because I find FB's TOS obnoxious. For example, you're required to make their login option equally prominent as other options, or not use it at all. For now at least, I'll not use it at all. - Bruce Lewis

I may be wrong but in the end I believe it comes down to where our friends are. I really believe that is the most crucial piece for a service like this. - Patrick

don't forget twitter sign in - Thomas Power

Everybody, see if Patrick is right. Go to my login page, look at the "alternative" choices in the lower left, and decide which one you want to use. You don't need to actually log in. Just come back here and say why you chose the one you chose: https://ourdoings.com/person... - Bruce Lewis

That's some list and explains the problem here. - Steve Rubel from IM

Is the list daunting? Would it help to change "Alternative registration/login" to "Or use an account you already have"? - Bruce Lewis

What does this do other than allow you to sign in? - Steve Rubel from IM

There is no 'OpenID v Google Friend Connect' - GFC builds on OpenID, and can make any website support OpenID in 5 minutes - Kevin Marks

Facebook adopting OpenID+OAuth+PortableContacts sign-in, following FriendFeed shows this is easy for users and good for biz - Kevin Marks

I agree with @Patrick, this is a much larger issue considering the installed base of Google and Facebook (and let's not leave out Twitter here either). - Brandon Mendelson

Steve, my example was just sign-in, but add in the other elements Kevin listed and it gets bigger. - Bruce Lewis

Brett Kelly

Why I Freaking Love FriendFeed and You Will, Too - Thinking back to a little over a year ago or so - back... http://blog.brettkelly.org/post...

May 20 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

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I actually had the same experience ... i had created profiles on most of these social networking sites a while back (LinkedIn, Twitter, friendfeed etc. etc.) but could never get hooked onto them. Now I've spent the last couple of days updating all of my "social" persona to actually get on to the bandwagon :) - Bhowmik Shah

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Great article, I'm also slowly getting into the FF account I created last year. - John Hardy

I just started here. thx for a wonderful read. - ashley rowell

Thanks for the kind words, friends - The goal was (rather obviously) to give a succinct article on why using FriendFeed doesn't mean abandoning Twitter. Hopefully I got that across :) - Brett Kelly

great post Brett. I left a comment on your blog. glad you are finding friendfeed so awesome like the rest of us. - (jeff)isageek

Gosh what a great and helpful post this is. Not sure if I am sold on FriendFeed yet but this certainly helps me wrap my head around it. - Patrick Rhone

Same here, your post pretty much summed up my take on my recent attraction to FriendFeed My account has been around for a bit, but I am much happier with it since I dusted it off and added a little polish to it. Is FF the next hidden gem in the social networking movement. Has anyone contacted Oprah and Ashton yet? - Frank Valletutti

Robert Scoble

I made a promise years ago to never use PowerPoint in front of an audience again. So, how do I organize a presentation? Mind Manager.

May 19 - Comment - Like - Share

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It's magic. Frees your mind from the stupid bullet list that bores audiences to death. Every time I see a PowerPoint deck my brain turns off. - Robert Scoble

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I have used this for years, great communication tool - Mel Buckpitt

i prefer personalbrain. not as easy to use as mind manager but powerful nonetheless. - Daniel Langendorf

Robert, as a former highschool teacher, I can assure you that Powerpoint is the evil enemy of learning...and yet every school insisted teachers started using it because the schools thought PP "was" technology...yikes. Advice? Tell stories with passion and understanding. - Daniel Kenney

Daniel: I totally agree. The way schools teach technology just makes me ill. - Robert Scoble

anyone ever try prezi.com? it's a bit different-- much more visual - Ted Curran

So instead of Powerpoint™, use a real presentation platform that allows interactive data and tactile response to both you and your audience. - Eric Martindale

i have been working on a new keynote /powerpoint method I can - Ted Curran

PowerPoint is only a problem in that it makes it way too easy to just make lists of bullet points. They almost force you to go down that path. If they could somehow turn that off, and just provide the functionality to create a series of slides, each of which had a line or two of text, an image, etc... I don't think it'd get such a bad rap. - Ken Sheppardson

*call "Attention Method"-- it's a way to use PPT or Apple Keynote not in the way the program wants to be used but in the way people's minds work - Ted Curran

similar to other software noted is my favorite.. Big Mouth - Daniel Kenney

What makes Mind Manager the first platform to come to mind? I have never heard of it until right now. - Amani

I agree Daniel Kenney :( - Mohammad Abdurraafay

Amani: I saw Buzz Bruggeman give a talk with it and was mesmerized. - Robert Scoble

Try Prezi, and if you have some time to devote to it, Keynote. Both are really pretty impressive. - Ivan

I came across http://prezi.com last month, worth a look. It has sort of a tv commercial look, like the 2-d Ford pickup commercials. - Tanner Powell

Too bad Mind Manager on the mac feels utterly abandoned. I switched to mac, but haven't used MindManager since. A real pity. - Phil Calvin

I kind of like Prezi too. Very visual. Depends on the situation I suppose. - Kim Feraday

Keynote. - Jeremy Franklin

sure. try www.prezi.com. its amazing - gatza

I don't want to get into a PowerPoint bashing thing here, but I agree it's bad. Another thing I've noticed is that the boring speakers usually have the most elaborate PP presentations. Yikes. - Missionary Broadcasting

I'm a big fan of MindManager as well. Once you're done conceptualizing your presentation, Powerpoint (or any other presentation tool) can obviously be used as an effective tool. Powerpoint isn't innately evil, it's just too easy to miss-use. If you want to try a different tool give sliderocket.com a try. (but I'd stick with Mindmanager) - Jason Goldberg

Well that's two programs I had no idea existed 15 minutes ago. - Dean Clark

Do you use iThoughts iPhone app? I use it every day and they just upgraded to allow Mind Manager export - Dave

Prezi is too difficult to learn for anyone - it is supercool but if you want to get right down to working, forget it - I wish I could use it - for mindmaps to me nothing beats MindMeister both for presentation materials as well for organizing ideas and tools - it is much easier and immediate than any other mindmapping tool I have tried, including having a full revisions history, working... more... - Robin Good

In the end the vote of PowerPoint chastity should really be targeted at avoiding making the "types" of PowerPoint slideshows that are so bad. Bad choice of images, too much text, and you reading them as you show them. It is not the tool so much, but the culture we have built around it. Whether with PowerPoint, Keynote, Sliderocket, OpenOffice or GoogleDocs the power of your presentation... more... - Robin Good

I wholeheartedly agree with you..PP is horrible! I refuse to use it and I've made a point to reject ppt files that colleagues send me with slides re design changes. I'll have to give MindManager a try..sounds great. - Sufian Siddiqi from fftogo

Prezi does look cool. I definitely need to take it for a spin. - Alexander Grundner

Chalk board & elaborate hand gestures - sofarsoShawn

The issue with powerpoint (and keynote) is that the flow of the presentation is completely locked in, and the presentation environment is unchanging. Mindmanager (or Freemind) allows branching, and the ability to store extra content for questions (only use as needed). Powerpoint or equivalent is good for building a screen when you want one that can dynamically build. An alternative way... more... - Alistair Nicholson

Come on! it's not the tool but the human mind behind the use of it! - Stefanos Karagos

I used to use Thebrain.com personal brain for the same purpose. I stopped when I moved to multiplatforms (Mac and linux as well as Windows). I just checked back at the site to find that it is now available cross-platform (haven't checked that the data files are yet tho). I might be remaking contact with an old friend! I liked the easy way one could use local files or web resources. By... more... - Alistair Nicholson

@alistair: It is possible to branch PowerPoint -presentations with hyperlinks that jump from slide to another. Never considered it, but interesting idea. For example, after determining audience level, it could skip slides that explain basic things for experienced audience. - Jemm

I like Mind Manager. Wish i had a reason to use it. - Rodfather

Mind Manager rocks on a tablet pc - Mel Buckpitt

Definitely. That was the last time I used it. It integrated with OneNote well too. - Rodfather

I have been using Mind Manager for almost a year now exclusively for all my presentations. People love the refreshing look .. and so do I ;-) - Remkus de Vries

Check out the free pptplex from Office Labs which is an add in for PP that gives you a similar zooming interface as Prezi. http://www.officelabs.com/project... - Jamie

Alistair: That is exactly how I use PersonalBrain. I have it set up in Dropbox and am able to access it with any computer. It's worth a look-see again. It's also worth using to flesh out ideas for presentations, too, no matter what tool you end up using. - Daniel Langendorf

Use Prezi at Prezi.com! ;) or sliderocket.com - Csaba Mad

I am adoring Prezi - just the freshness of the look gives you a 50% boost in new biz meetings, and I really haven't found it at all hard to learn to use - Jamie

Easy, use Keynote. - Diego Barros 

Last week i was thinking how lame PP is and actually did a presentation at college bashing it. The tool i've used for that was Prezi.com, the one mentioned by a lot of ppl in this thread. You should give them some love, definetely a great worth a look tool. - Diego Sana

I got tired of trying to find the perfect presentation technique and ended up developing my own http://mlx.netii.net/templat... not perfect, but it works for me. - MLx

Daniel & Jemm - thanks for that. I've just installed personalbrain on the Mac and opened some old brains done in the PC (aahh nostalgia). I really missed it as a tool. I've been using freemind, which does have some very good features, but personalbrain is still a better tool for this sort of work. Thanks. - Alistair Nicholson

Jemm - in some cases I will just generate one or two slides using ppt or similar. By exporting them they become individual objects that I can mix and match - or call on as I need, without having to consider how to jump to them within the powerpoint package. Powerpoint (or keynote) then becomes a graphic slide authoring tool that just generates some components or objects I use in my... more... - Alistair Nicholson

I have presented for many years with MindManager. Its great for interactive presentations. Tomorrow I will use it present to a conference of independent financial advisers on the subject of mind mapping and mind mapping software. I humbly suggest they will remember my hour more than the 5 other hours of PowerPoint. This is web version summary. http://twurl.nl/24rzyv - Andrew Wilcox

Final Cut...create a video! - Michela Cimnaghi /cimny

Powerpoint is not the problem but how it is used.... take a look at Presentation Zen (book/website) :-) - Gianfranco Chicco

Powerpoint is a time sink - whenever I have had to use it I ended up using more time fixing the presentation than focusing on the message. Can't remember which company took powerpoint off the systems and said they measured a productivity increase... or if it is a digital legend... but from my experience I can believe it. - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

"It's a poor workman who blames his tools" -- old proverb - Karim

Will you post your preso somewhere, would be great to see how you use it in place of powerpoint. - jcunwired

Meh. Powerpoint is a tool to put stuff on screen. As long as you're not just reading off it... - Yuvi

Mindmanager is a great App! I love to pull it up in meetings and just capture the ideas as they flow. Afterwards as a team we organize the information and then put it into a outline for others. Its wows the team every time! For presentations I've seen this used pretty well but if you try to print it out for users afterwards it takes more time to do (open all the collapsed trees.) I've... more... - Uncle CW™

Just convert powerpoint slides into pdf and present pdf to the audience.Although I am not a great fan of PDF or for that matter any powerpoint like software. - ashish

ashish: you're not getting it. There's nothing worse to do to an audience than to present a standard powerpoint deck to them. The format is NOT what makes that boring. - Robert Scoble

Robert: Flash is the answer but it's a pain to learn and expensive to outsource, but that's the answer I think. Besides that, Mindjet MindManager is a fantastic peice of software - Brandon Hall

Keynote. - Johnny

You're right, it's not the format, nor is it Powerpoint. It is not using it to in an engaging way. - Dennis Beatty

Robert,Sorry for misinterpreting your question. This one is a really tricky question. - ashish

I often find slides take away from the message - people are reading the slide text instead of looking at and listening to the speaker, and the speaker is looking at the slides instead of at the audience. I wouldnt mind the speaker looking at the screen if he was demonstrating something (or writing, in the old blackboard style) but in a way slides which were supposed to support the presentation end up taking away from it. Too passive? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

Much of my hourly pay job is presentations. Very interested in playing with new tools. Will review prezi, mindmanager, sliderocket, and personal brain - Mark Essel

prezi is pretty amazing mark. i also use Free Mind but have never used it for a presentation... - Morgan

wishing for 2nd like or something to bump this up higher amongst my likes and discussions - metalerik

dream about it http://mindmappingsoftwareblog.com/ - bonuck (e gli associati?)

I have a talk tomorrow morning at my kids' school about technology in education. I was brainstorming it in Curio and Keynote, but I bought Prezi Pro just cuz it looks so cool. It's a little quirky, a little buggy, and not as flexible as, say Keynote, but it sure is a unique look. Mindmapping + Presentations. - Leo Laporte

Nothing wrong with Powerpoint, it's just a tool. I do just fine with it and Keynote. Sounds like it's a presenter issue if you're bored - Bwana ☠

I love mindmanager, but its license is toooo stupidly and insanely expensive!! - Mohamed Salem Korayem

yeah I love using xmind for organizing talking points but I don't normally use them to present - most audiences don't grok them ime - mike "glemak" dunn

I'm sorry, trying to learn. I have a 30 slide presentation (+-10) that i present to customers around the world usually in a room of about 10 people. What could Mind Manager do that PPT isn't doing? - Steve C

For everyone looking to learn more about using MindManager for presentations, I have written up a number of posts on the Mindjet blog that talks about how to do it, some best practices and sample maps. The most popular post in the series was from PresentationCamp SF, "Become a Presentation Superhero": http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... while other posts covered using images, colors, and fonts within your mind maps. Check'em out or contact me if you have questions! - Michael Deutch

thx michael, bookmarked. - Steve C

ah, michael good to see you here - for those who don't know him michael is mindjet’s chief evangelist & one of the hardest working community engagement folks on the net - i use xmind because i test lots of open source tools but have been a customer of mindjet for years & love mindmanager :) - mike "glemak" dunn

Yeah thanks Michael, I've been wanting to see some examples/how-to's about using MindManager for presentations. - Justin Hopkins

Actually I spoke too soon. I'm curious to see some video of a person "giving a talk with it" like you said Robert. Do you have any recordings of some of yours of the Buzz Bruggeman talk you mentioned? - Justin Hopkins

I find using a Mind Map a lot easier for people to follow and sparks a lot more collaboration from the group. - Jim Lavin

Robert try Prezi:http://prezi.com/ - Dean Kakridas

If you hate Powerpoint, Robert & friends, then you have to check out Edward Tufte's essay "The Cognitive Style of Powerpoint: Pitching Out Corrupts Within." It's brilliant. And the cover still cracks me up: http://tr.im/lXjv - Alan Mairson

Funny thing for me is that I've always made fun of PP style presentations and have been known as someone who really gets groups interacting, etc. (check out this clip of a game I led at Seattle Mindcamp -http://tinyurl.com/qjathj) BUT, just recently, I've discovered that for my type of improvised, interactive, often scattered, creative style --powerpoint is actually a good (much needed!) balance. So I've been upping the KeyNote. MultiModal is the way :) - Leif Hansen

Robin Good: great comment on MindMeister.com - present.io is a very interesting app to keep track of, if you are doing a lot of online presentations. I use Skype screen share (Mac) for Coaching and presenting ways and methods to use applications. - Jan Friman from Nambu

How about having a standard cheaper version of mindmanager. I dont use all the awesome features version 8 - Mohamed Salem Korayem

Jemm and others - I'm back having been in the most boring presentation today that I have experienced in a very long time - powerpoint slides of the most horrible structure, plus given over a video conferencing tool where the presenter didn't read any of the questions in the typing area! Thebrain has a free version. What I've found is that because I use tiddlywiki (also free) to organise... more... - Alistair Nicholson

just a quick reaction to the person who suggested video - what can video add if you are there in person? - Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)

@Joelle a video is a way to engage the audience and let the main messages be reminded. Your role there is to give the right introduction to the video and then open and manage the discussion after it. People will partecipate more to teh discussion. That's my personal experience by the way! - Michela Cimnaghi /cimny

Robert, I agree & use MindManager for presentations, as well as various project information summaries, trying to stick to a "one sheet" philosophy for reports. One of my pet peeves is presenters who read the bullets on a PPT. Yikes! - Rick Cogley

Joelle (thanks Michela) another use of video is short interviews or contributions. For example case studies with a manager from the customer explaining their problem, a business analyst explaining their technique around a specific problem, a web designer talking about how they 'imagine' the personality of a site, demonstration of an experimental technique with a patient. It creates... more... - Alistair Nicholson

I also meant to draw attention to Lief's comment about multi modal and how sometimes a powerpoint slide can present the underlying structure or main points of the presentation. I still believe there can be a place for dot points - so long as they are not the sole content. I believe there are few that would suggest Steve Jobs' presentations are boring, for example. Always worth a watch and they can be found on youtube. Other exemplars are the top rated talks on TED.com.It gives me something to aim for. - Alistair Nicholson

FreeMind is very useful and Open Source. Give it a try! - Nicola Junior Vitto

just got into Amode 4 project mgmt. same company @MindSystems. imports @MindJet. - Courtney Engle

IMHO, my best tool is a whiteboard, and second place, a notebook with squares to plan a sort of storyboard. When I switch back to analog planning, I started to get my best results back on PowerPoint (I love 2007 version). Cheers, - Rolando Peralta

Wow, what a great thread! I explored some best practices for presentations and wrote the following posts on the Mindjet blog. They could apply for any type of presentation but they're primarily focused on mind mapping...The first: 10 Steps to Great Presentation Maps -- http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... - Michael Deutch

Next, How to Make a Great Presentation: Mapping Your Content -- This one applies to using mind maps to 'think through' your presentation content, regardless of what tool you select for the actual presentation: http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... - Michael Deutch

Your use of colors will impact the audience. Use them well! The Secrets of Using Colors in Maps - http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... - Michael Deutch

What’s a Picture Worth? Here's a post about incorporating images into mind map presentations. http://blog.mindjet.com/2009... -- I saw an interesting tweet from Andrew Wilcox earlier today where he suggested placing large images inside 'topic notes'. - Michael Deutch

Prezi reminds me of microsoft photosynth. - ashish

And finally, here are a couple of posts about fonts in your mind map presentations: 10 Fixes for Font Foibles! (http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...) and More Fun for Font Fanatics (http://blog.mindjet.com/2009...). - Michael Deutch

michael: constructive suggestion - you should setup a mindmap group here on ff so these suggestions can be feed in separately and others can participate, they're just going to get lost inside this thread... - mike "glemak" dunn

Wow what a great discussion. I have never heard of Prezi before and I will have a very imortant presentation to one of MNO next week. I prepared with PP, but now consider to do from scratch via Prezi.com. Thanks guys! - Jacque

Robert, do you have anything that you can share that you've used Mind manager for? Do you actually use it in presentations or do you use it as a thought organizing tool? Thanks for answering if you have the time! - Gregg Morris

i was blown away by a preso done in prezi.com. tried it out, the UI takes some getting used to, but w/ patience the zoom in/out approach yields great presos. worth checking out some of the demos. I saw a preso done w/ it that all took place inside the dot of a question mark (that was the reveal at end of preso). cool. - Adrian Chan

re. TiddlyWiki: should I mention, that there's also a true presentation version?... http://ow.ly/8vMH - schilke

Or you could emulate Carrot Top and use props from a great big trunk. Problem is you need to be a) really pumped up and b) certifiably nuts. - bob corrigan

Schilke - thanks for the link to tiddlywiki presentation version. I've bookmarked that and visited the example. With tiddlywiki each 'tiddler' has a specifically adressable URL so that pages can be individually linked from mindmapping software. That way a complete subtopic can be created as a 'deck' but not invoked in the presentation unless we choose to go there. Back to the 'horrible'... more... - Alistair Nicholson

A cool MindMapping alternative is XMind. - Martin Seibert

Mona Nomura

Free Lettuce Wraps from PF Chang's! http://www.pfchangs.com/briny/

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Is PF Chang's actually any good? - ronin

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pfchangs is very good - Steve C

They're too pricey for the quality of food imho. - Mona Nomura

yummy - (jeff)isageek

Never been but curious since every time I pass by the local one the parking lot is always full. - ronin

It's a great place for big groups / after work drinks. :) - Mona Nomura

I wonder if these coupons work at Pei Wei as well - Jesse Stay

Oh god PF CHangs is HORRIBLE. But then again I am from NYC, where quality Chinese food is everywhere. PF Chang's is just Americanized crap. :( - Andru Edwards

Dru, have you had Chinese in SF? - Mona Nomura

As chains go, PFC is near the top. Too expensive, yes, but good stuff. - Roger Benningfield

Andru - I will top you by saying I'm from Vancouver! (also, I am Chinese myself, so I've always felt like going to PF Changs would be in some way a double heritage betrayal on my part.) - Andrew C

@Andru That's what I suspected. - ronin

I live by one basic belief. "If it's free take two!" Has only screwed be twice. :) - tomit from BuddyFeed

Agreed on the price for the food, Mona. FWIW, check my feed for a recipe for PF Chang's lettuce wraps. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

The answer ronin is 'no'. - Admiral Anika

PF Changs is not real chinese. It's fusion (http://is.gd/BTat). Trust me, I'm Chinese :) - imabonehead

Mona Nomura

Tweeting Too Hard ... Where self-important tweets get the recognition they deserve. http://tweetingtoohard.com/#

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Ha ha ha HAHAHHAHAHA! - Mona Nomura

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best site evah - anna sauce

I posted this yesterday- but you didnt' see it? wah. Now I will quit in a flaming death pyre over lack of readership KIDDING - anna sauce

Sorry Anna!! Looked through your feed but I still don't see it! - Mona Nomura from IM

No worries- I'm learning from the master. You did a way better job of sharing it on here. I snipped some of the tweets, but it just sounded like I was saying them! - anna sauce

Ha, I posted it last week and no one saw it. - Admiral Anika

Man, I am lame for being so late AND not noticing on people's feeds. Sorry guys! - Mona Nomura

don't beat yourself up- interesting, FriendFeed made the association way later than both of us did! - anna sauce

Anika you posted it last week? I know now I've missed some of your posts :( - anna sauce

hilarious ... Mona what did you use to post the screenshot, by the way? - Nathan Rein

Hi Nathan! Skitch all the way! :) - Mona Nomura from IM

Here's my post: http://friendfeed.com/fabooma... - Admiral Anika

I see some familiar faces lol - Mona Nomura

Maybe someone should start "Pricker.com"...that way these folk can go and prick. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Well, that's clearly not working right because none of my tweets are showing up. blah. - ♥patricia♥

HA x3 - Dobromir Hadzhiev

This site is making me laugh SO hard. - Mona Nomura

A million times like! - Matthew DeVries

Today made me realize how much I missed FF and all the GOLD content -- this post kicked it off! - Mona Nomura

I keep visiting this site all day- and so sad, @jowyang's post about "not tweeting business" LOL - anna sauce

Hahhahahahhaha!!!!!! - Mona Nomura

what a jackass - Caroline

That is better than the Jerry Springer show - thank you, simply, thank you. - Dan Morrill AKA Techwag

Louis Gray

The Candy Blog is Reporting from the "All Candy Expo 2009", covering new product introductions... - http://www.typetive.com/candybl...

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One of my few must-reads outside of tech, politics and sports. - Louis Gray from Bookmarklet

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GIVE ME THOSE YORKS - Rochelle

The rest of the site is pretty good too - promise. - Louis Gray

http://www.flingchocolate.com/ - Steve "Daddy do it!" Lacy

I want those Almond Joys right NOW! - Brandon Titus

They *really* need a FriendFeed feed to post pictures on. Why don't more food and candy companies do this? - Jesse Stay

Steven Perez

According to ffblockr, no one in my network is blocking me. Clearly, I am not pissing you people off enough.

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We just need someone around to blame for everything, that's all. - Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF

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Really? Well, then, I'll just make a slight adjustment in my name here ... :D - Steven Perez

i tried once, but ff wouldn't let me for some reason. i guess that's how powerful you really are - Cee Bee

Hmmm. Maybe you weren't hitting the block button enough times. - Steven Perez

why the name change? - Joe Silence

Because I'm feeling Puckish. :-) - Steven Perez from IM

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MM Photo Drop II

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Robert Scoble

Seth Godin is the top social media blogger? Give me a break. He doesn't participate. Chris Brogan wins in my view. - http://www.noop.nl/2009...

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I think that Seth is the top marketer blogger. - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

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although as you said he doesn't participate. - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

i think its based on a number of stats Scoble, rather than participation. But of course, i'm just pleased we're in the top 20 of the list :) - Zee.

Zee: stats are lies. - Robert Scoble

well they make me feel good :) - Zee.

Zee: Seth Godin is a great guy, great author, great speaker, very well known, etc. But no way is he the top social media blogger. - Robert Scoble

Agreed. Like Godin's insight but he isnt regular enough. Also really like Jeremiah! - Richard Zeidel

I subscribe to Seth's blog and have yet to figure out why there is such a fuss about him. Chris seems to put more effort into his posts and write things of significance. - Chris Luckhardt

lol but what do u mean with the stats zee? - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

Often attributed to Mark Twain: "There are lies, damn lies and statistics." - CAJ, somewhere else

have you subscribed to us yet Scoble? Would love you to give us a chance for a couple of weeks. Think you'll be highly impressed - Zee.

Seth is good for those little sparks that get your own thinking going. But yeah, wouldn't put him in the top SM blogger category. - Virante

Richard: yeah, Jeremiah should be in top two or three yet. Zee: I'm following you here on friendfeed, is that what you mean? - Robert Scoble

sorry i mean at TheNextWeb.com - check out our recent content, i'm sure you'll be impressed. - Zee.

Zee: what's the friendfeed URL? - Robert Scoble

If you turn off comments (engagement) and blog about engagement (with comments off) then you get lots of linketylinks (Google love) in. Helps with those stats :) - Laurel Papworth

@virante agree with you. I think Seth is more intellectual from Brogan and he is not social media blogger. And I don't say that Brogan isn't great! In fact, he is! - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

Love your post. I stopped following Seth a while ago for the same reason. He does not participate in the conversation. He writes posts high above from the mountain of Social Media Gods (SMG). - John Flynn

http://friendfeed.com/thenext... and we have a group with content from all over here: http://friendfeed.com/the-nex... (nearly 6000 members) - Zee.

The # of people he follows and learns from is an indicator as to his view of his role in the conversation...I mean monologue, - Kevin Murray

In fact, thinking about it, it is hard to pick between Brogan and Owyang. I should have named both. - Robert Scoble

Agreed. Great stuff, but Seth's not interested in conversation. Since that's the case, how can he possibly rate high in the social media space? - Leo Bottary

I like the perspective Seth brings to Social Media, but I agree that he's not participating as much as others. How are we defining "top"? - Joel Zehring

I think the behaviors of many people claiming to be the "best" of something will be monitored more closely now that FF is around ... I watch the number of people "these bloggers" subscribe to and watch for their participation ... - LPH™ and his dog P™

methinks that Seth is not blogging about Social Media, but about marketing. - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

That list doesn't seem particularly focused. Bunch of great sites there that don't seem SM to me. I can't believe they didn't run them past me first. ;-) - Chris Baskind

Joel: the blog that made this list is using popularity ranking algorithms. Judging people by popularity will take you down a bad path. - Robert Scoble

Seth is like God. He disappears for a long time then pops up with the old miracle. He's a good helicopter view of what's going on whilst people like Scobles and Chris Brogran are the day to day practioneers. You need both. - Ross McMinn

Definitely Brogan is much better. I think Godin is miscategorized here. That said he's not conversing much in any space, just thinking out loud, which is great, but not so much social. - Bailey McCann

I think we need universal portable influence metric - something peer mediated - micro celebrities need community validation. - Richard Zeidel

Zee would be in the conversation. At least if I were having the conversation. - Matthew DeVries

I don't even know Chris Brogan - maybe I should.. - Arnaldo M Pereira

I like it that Seth doesn't participate in everything. It makes it easier to follow him. Has anyone tried to email him or connect through his "Tribes" projects? - Joel Zehring

what apostolos said. seth is marketing, not social media. - James

Joel, that's like saying Chuck Nevitt is the best basketball player, because he's so easy to follow, cause most of the time he's on the bench, and the 3 minutes a season he got to play, he moved very slowly. - Matthew DeVries

Arnaldo M Pereira: Check out Chris here ==> http://friendfeed.com/chrisbr... He's very active. - LPH™ and his dog P™

Exactly, Social Media and Seth Godin? WTF? And how come RWW team is not in the 1st three? - Sasha Kovaliov(.com)

lol +1 to Matthew - Bailey McCann

I'd say Amber Mac would be up there, but I guess she's more like the little girl who gets every freakin new toy on the planet the day it comes out, tells everyone it's a great toy, then tosses it aside, and goes back to playing with movable type. - Matthew DeVries

Good guy, but last I checked Seth doesn't even tweet! - Ryan Miller from Nambu

Ryan: we were on a radio show together and he told me he doesn't Tweet. I tried to get him on friendfeed and he didn't have any part of that. - Robert Scoble

Seth is tops in several areas....just not social media; not even close..I'm sure he would agree - Daniel Kenney

agreed scoble. - Ted Bradford II

Seth is definitely a top blogger..but because social media is about conversation, then you're right...others have a right to that honor. - Bill Reichart

Seth is a snake oil salesman, but Chris Brogan sees him as a role model. I've predicted that Chris will be the first to Tweet from the Lincoln bedroom in the White House. - paul mooney

Maybe they should call him the top social media spammer. He's broadcast-only. Woot for Chris Brogan though. - Dave Saunders

+1 with taryn930 - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

Seth Godin uses email primarily to respond to people - he doesnt believe in the other media and he has explained that in some of his interviews. Chris Brogan on the other hand uses social media channels extensively and in my opinion should rank higher as a social media exponent. - Mahesh Patwardhan

blogger or not.. moot question... is seth a good "social network" or "web2.0" (as much as i dislike that term!!!) media personality... *no* he's hardly a participant - he's more a "dictactor" - one way communication (mostly)... still worth reading i guess if you're into that sort of marketing guffy stuff (i'm only into technical stuff :) ... - simran

I like Chris Brogan and Perry Belcher too! - Vicki Z Lauter

I agree that Seth, smart as he is, is not representative of social media blogging. Having said that, what makes us so sure Chris Brogan, and I love Chris, Or Jeremiah, who I also love, are more engaged than Susie from Detroit? Because their numbers are higher hence the stats ranking. Why are their numbers higher? Because they're sort of viral. I often wonder how people become popular.... more... - Sheryl

Chris Brogan I know about and I follow on Twitter and FF, I just Googled Seth Godin, wasn't sure who he was.... - Mike Nencetti

I don't feel like I should weigh in or anything, but I wanted you to know I'm listening and I'm here. I really love what Seth does. I read him religiously. He's NOT a social media blogger. He writes about marketing. That said, he writes about the part of social media that matters to me: how humans can be more human. So, to me, he's still #1, because he's writing about humans, and that's... more... - Chris Brogan

see what I was tolding ya? 1) Seth is not a social media blogger 2) both Chris and Seth are the best on what they do ;-) - Apostolos Papadopoulos from IM

For the record, Wolverine is the best at what he does. I'm just a working schlub. - Chris Brogan

I like and respect what both Chris and Seth have to say tremendously. Not sure I care that much about who is the "top" blogger or whatever because either way I'm gonna keep reading their stuff and learning. - Miguel Rodriguez

I do appreciate that Chris is present here (hi Chris!) and feel that his participation in "the discussion" adds another dimension to his insights. I wonder sometimes why Seth limits his interaction. When he's on camera being interviewed, such as by @loic most recently, he seems quite comfortable.. why that comfort doesn't extend to places like FF and twitter I am still scratching my head over. - Miguel Rodriguez

Seth reminds me of Yoda, Chris reminds me of Obiwan. First one's cool, simple, philosophical, and ass-kicking. Second one's down to earth, practical, trained in highly useful Jedi stabs for day to day fights. Follow both, learn from both. - waraney rawung

How would you classify Gary Vaynerchuck in the Marketing/Social Media environments? - Owen Greaves

I watched a video of Seth essentially saying that much of social networking is superficial. http://blog.angelaconnor.com/2009... - Angela

waraney - I think you nailed it :-) - PXLated

I had an interesting connection w/ Seth. Back when I was doing Biznik Live interviews, Seth's answer was to ask about our listener numbers. ("10k gets my attention"...Understandable from a guy who is #5 in Google out of 3 billion hits for "blog") However, when I sent him a video of Bizniks discussing Tribes, he liked that & agreed to an interview. It was an experimental brady-bunch style video interview on the importance of Tribes in business. Edited version: http://tinyurl.com/r9f9qz - Leif Hansen

@ChrisBrogan I bet being compared to ObiWan just made your day ;) I think I'm probably more like Luke -whiny guy with father-figure issues who gradually grows into his vocation through the grace/luck of the force and of friends and some serious hard knocks with his own dark side. Though I've got plenty of Solo juice flowing through my veins as well :) - Leif Hansen

I agree with Chris, but Chris and Jeremiah are still up there IMO, especially when it comes to Social Media specifically. - Jesse Stay

Apart from the fact Chris Brogan is hardly even here lol - Rob Sellen :o)

Is Gary V. on that list? - Jesse Stay

That's my point...shouldn't he be on the list? - Owen Greaves

But seriously, oranges are so much better than apples. Come on guys... - Leif Hansen

We know Scoble doesn't like lists. He really doesn't like those where it's easy to find holes in the lists. If this were written as "200 Social Media Blogs" with stats, and without rankings, it'd be easier. I was just surprised to see I was included at all. - Louis Gray

But Louis, You are a legend here :) - Owen Greaves

Great point about Godin not participating. In my niche there are some "experts" who have huge following numbers, but follow very few themselves. If you don't interact with your followers are you really participating in the conversation? - Richard Byrne

Godin doesn't need to participate... he has sneezers. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

@Rob Sellen - Yeah, I'm not really deep into FriendFeed. I use it, and try to stay on top, and I get that lots of people say it's a big next stage. This is where Seth and I agree and are somewhat alike: we both believe you don't have to be present at EVERY conversation at every touchpoint. He picks his places; I pick mine. I just find the velocity of the social web to be more my speed. He likes email. No foul. - Chris Brogan

Nothing wrong with that... ;o) .. just thought it odd for someone to say somone is the top social media blogger and not be in the social media sites itself... after all, that's exactly what scoble has said in the title here ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

concur - chris brogan is the man - mike "glemak" dunn

Why Mike, do you think that? what is it that Chris does that's so different to anyone else? - Rob Sellen :o)

Not a chance. And Seth doesn't make it as top marketing blogger either. - AJ Kohn

@Rob - oh, I'm in tons of social media sites. I just don't spend all 14 of my working hours in each one. I don't use Utterli, Plurk, Jaiku, Hyves, Orkut, Digg, Sphinn, and 300 other folks either. - Chris Brogan

like scoble you mean? or was that 7 hours lol? I never said you weren't in any, just that scoble posted that here... and you are not here as much, nor is seth.. so scoble to me was just replacing one for another, if that makes any sense? :o/ - Rob Sellen :o)

Woot woot "Seth Godin is the top social media blogger?" - nawwwwww.. he's the world's biggest liar.. hey after all he did write "all marketers are liars" !! He connectes with people because of his views and he also disconnects to people b'coz of that too.. As for interaction and collobrative particiaption.. hes got his nose still stuck n da air.. yeah Chris wins hands down ! - Peter Dawson

One thing I will say about Seth, ha can say a lot in few words... other times he says things that are a bit broad... but if it makes you think, that is the point. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

So Scoble chose FriendFeed. I've chosen Twitter. He also really loved the hell out of Facebook and used it up. I didn't. Which tools you use doesn't make you a better or worse social media person. How you get the job done counts the most to me. - Chris Brogan

I agree... just thought it odd in the context of friendfeed you know. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Agree Chris. Darth Maul's double-edged sabre is as useful as Yoda's tiny one. I'm a beginner at social media, and trying to keep in touch with what's new and what's useful. You, Scoble, Seth and many others have been very helpful for a rookie like me. - waraney rawung

What is a social media blogger, and why don't I get on this list? I've been doing this longer and better than any of you guys. Geez Louise what's a guy gotta do to get a little recognition. - Dave Winer

Which reminds me, a lot of early adopters in Indonesia are using FriendFeed, but they're not really into discussions in FF. On the contrary, geeks in Indonesia love and are very active in Twitter and Plurk (sometimes behaving differently in each site), with Facebook as their personal online central nerve. - waraney rawung

It's all subjective anyway. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

@DaveWiner - here here. You're who *I* read, anyhow. : ) - Chris Brogan

shouldn't that be "hear hear" sorry... lol. that's coming from a deaf bloke! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

@Rob - Beats me... what do I know? : ) - Chris Brogan

I wouldn't even call Seth a top marketing blogger, jeez - Sally Church

lol... I see that alot, and wonder if it should really be hear hear... makes more sense that would. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I think it probably is. Like "hear hear" me? - Chris Brogan

yeah, what I was thinking...even if I can't "hear hear"" lol... . ah well. we learn sommat new everyday... - Rob Sellen :o)

Gotta run, Rob. Thanks for the chat hidden in Robert's rant. : ) - Chris Brogan

lol.. welcome mate.... hang on.. does Robert NOT rant? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

The 'what tools you use' debate is interesting. While I agree that, as long as you get the job done, the tools don't matter, there's also the ability to understand new paradigms. It's difficult to talk about and grok something without really immersing yourself in it. I didn't get blogging until I really did it. Ditto Twitter. Certainly FriendFeed. They *are* different ... meaningful... more... - AJ Kohn

I really like the comment on social media being about connection vs. the technology that allows it to take place. That is one reason I enjoy friendfeed so much more than twitter & even facebook. Much easier to connect and join conversations with people. I find myself looking at stats of who I am listening to much less in here than twitter. The result, better conversations, more... more... - Kevin Murray

I think Seth is great at what he does, I'm just not sure "Social Media Blogger" is the right description. Perhaps evidence that that's not his focus is that a conversation of this magnitude can go on without his commenting/participating. For anyone interested, here's a post from my blog about something recent I have disagreed with Godin about: http://tinyurl.com/po62js - Brian Broveleit

Chris Brogan rocks! - Morten Blaabjerg

thats ok Morten..as long as it's not while sat in the corner on his own ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

lol - what's so impressive about @chrisbrogan is that he responds - or at least gives the impression that he does. He works like a maniac. And he _gets_ what _it_ is. This makes his posts small gems of insights, even the less revolutionary ones. - Morten Blaabjerg

lol "gives the impression that he does" - what does that even mean morten? - mike "glemak" dunn

Agreed that Chis walks the talk and puts out great stuff. - John Blossom

Seth Godin is practical and sees through the hype - something that most social media commentators are guilty of. - BLOGBloke

Social Networking/Media Sites Staying Relevant: (humor) http://www.youtube.com/watch...& - Kevin Murray

Seth may be an expert in his own realm. Social media is certainly not it, but I have heard Seth make some valuable points about how to not use social media. Obviously Chris is doing something right, as evidenced by showing up to speak him mind, and pay Seth some respect. You gotta respect guys like Chris, Robert, Dave, and Louis (who are the ones on the tip of my tongue right now) -... more... - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

Ditto Robert! What is it with the "online marketing copywriters" all wanting to act like they're the top social media bloggers now? Oh... that's right... social media is the hip thing! Thus they flock to it. I respect Seth for particular forms of copy writing, but lots of better social media bloggers... like Chris Brogan, like Leslie Poston, like you, and others. - Arleen Anderson

I agree Robert. (And thank you, Arleen *blushes*) Mahalo - Leslie Poston

Amen x heaps! Seth is a genius... but certainly doesn't spring to mind in the context of "top" in social media. Chris is for sure in my top 5!! - Mari Smith

Chris Brogan is the best example of what bloggers should try to achieve, IMO. Like any great writer, his stuff is worth reading even if you are not close tot he subject of a particular post. That means a lot. - randulo

Agreed. Seth stuff is good, but he does he even get social media? - Warren Whitlock

@glemak There are limits to one's attention span when you've got a lot around your ears (like Chris has) but it means a lot that you give the impression that you're listening and responding, even though you may not always be on your high marks. Noone can be. It's only human. But appearances still matter and are greatly appreciated. Chris is good at that too. - Morten Blaabjerg

gotcha - level of attention - mike "glemak" dunn

Thanks to those who mentioned me. Scoble is for sure one I looked up to and still do. - Jeremiah Owyang

Jeremiah isnt the best at what he does - he's just the only one who does it! ;) - let's not be exclusionary - thank you to all the top minds for sharing. - Richard Zeidel

I think Chris Brogan is THE man. Many of the social media experts are now engaging only with those who are also 'experts' and not with the new comers or followers. Brogan, on the other hand, very rarely to missed a conversation. As for marketing bloggers, I still stand behind Kyle Lacy as the best one. - Gambit Fauri

Seth "gets" social media tools but he is not the top participant--where Chris is. I am dubious, however, of claims that Seth is not a conversationalist. Have you ever sent him an email? He personally takes time to respond to every email thoughtfully and quickly, which is more than I can say for a number of social media stars (or even myself). - Jeremy Floyd

Lately I have been reading more of Chris has to say, that said does it really matter who is the top? - Chet Woodside

SCOBLEIZER - Do you grant variance from the "No deleting your comments and altering the thread mother fuckers" rule if you're doing it simply to kill a thread from your "My Discussions" filter so it stops popping like popcorn on your notifier? - Matthew DeVries

Matthew: that is an interesting problem. I wish clicking "hide" were good enough for that. - Robert Scoble

As do I. - Matthew DeVries

Godin doesn't allow 2-way participation, thus negating the openness principle of social media (no replies on his blog, not on twitter). He's just repurposed the blog to act as a writing platform for material for his books. He's very tactic based and without a huge depth of substance, but that's what people like; though it's not necessarily good for them. - Aaron Shields

as a technologist, focused on emerging media yet appreciating the fine art of marketing - i learn little from seth (noise) and tons from chris (signal) - that's my experience of course, your mileage may vary ;) - mike "glemak" dunn

Our flying Dutchman makes the Reich Museum look like a tourist trap. Should be on the top 5 things to do when you are in Amsterdam. Very bright, clear thinker. If you ever get fired for being "too open with your ideas" Chris you can work for me! - Chad Harris

Agreed, Brogan all the way. - Jim Gaudet

Brogan is amazing - Peter Efland

Chris Brogan is an active interlocutor in ways Godin isn't. Still, who is #1 isn't as important as who is providing content that you need. I respect Godin. Have read lot of his books. But still, Brogan is my fav. - Prof. Pamela Hood

Seth is a pure-play Social Media thought leader. Chris participates in the SM stream so he gets my respect for walking the walk and talking the talk. - Michael McDermott

I'll give props to Chris Brogan in this so-called "social media" space, insightful, valuable, interesting. And I will give a lifetime achievement award to Dave Winer, I was reading Scripting News BEFORE the word "blog" was coined by EvHead and MegNut. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Winer "teach" you how to blog Scoble? One thing that continues to exist that I wish would go away, but probably never will is this whole "leaderboard" mentality... is there some contest? <sigh> - .LAG liked that

I agree with Scoble, Chris is here in the trenches and impressively dedicated. - anthonycospito

Methinks Brogan is sending his cousins over here. :-) - BLOGBloke

In my view the better a Blogger is the more comments they will receive. Seth Godin does not even have comments enabled on his blog. - Garin Kilpatrick

Shows how "social" he is at the very least. I don't completely agree that a blogger needs to receive comments to be "better" - but you can't really be a "social" media blogger without being "social". - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

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All Patriots Are Gun Owners But Not All Gun Owners Are Patriots - http://lewrockwell.com/decoste...

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Guns = BAD... simple. - Rob Sellen :o)

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Guns are not bad. It's the intent of the person using the tool. - Admiral Anika

Guns are bad? Did the spoon make Rosie O'Donnell fat? - MVB (Grinch of FF)

What was in the spoon made Rosie O'Donnell fat. - Derrick

screwdrivers are a tool for..... screws... guns are a tool for...? KILLING? - Rob Sellen :o)

Name ONE good thing about a gun.... please. - Rob Sellen :o)

KILLING... - Rob Sellen :o)

What? bias on what? LIFE? lmao... name ONE good thing about a gun.... - Rob Sellen :o)

Why do you have to kill something to shoot a gun? I used to go to the shooting range with my uncles and grandfathers, I've never killed anyone. They were hunters, so yes, they used guns to kill for food. I don't mind that since I was able to eat. - Admiral Anika

I never said you HAD to kill anything ... i am saying THAT is what a GUN is for.. what it was CREATED for.... nothing else... to KILL.. so how can anyone think anything else of a gun? it IS a tool to kill.. a purpose made weapon. - Rob Sellen :o)

hunting, recreation, and self defence << them 3 Brian?? Hunting is to KILL.. recreation? shooting cans or something? well... there are better things to do.. but whatever rocks ya boat as they say.. its not what it was made for. and self defence... well... best not be in the position to need a gun! that's not a GOOD thing is it... sheesh. - Rob Sellen :o)

Guns work pretty well for police/law enforcement - Brendan Clancy

Where the hell did THAT statement come from??? I'm a Patriot and I could care less about guns. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

Knives were also made for killing, I rarely see people complaining about them. And yes, hunting equals killing. So does eating any meat whatsoever; just because you didn't slaughter it yourself doesn't mean the cow/pig/chicken didn't still die. The fact that Dave and his father both hunt means we've been able to eat healthier and lower cost meat than if they didn't hunt. Not to mention I know exactly how the meat was handled and prepared, not something I can say for grocery store meat. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Brian... you can eat perfectly well with killing things thanks. anyone who LIKES guns really ought to ask why.. power inside them? what? why? - Rob Sellen :o)

So, Rob, I'm assuming you are a vegan? - Alan Simpson

I'm English. And couldn't disagree more with Brian. As an avid shooter I can understand his opinion in the face such adversity (you can never back down if you're in the minority) but to my understanding guns we're designed to kill, what doesn't really matter, killing things is wrong (imo). Whether killing to survive is morally 'OK' is clearly another debate. Fascinating subject if the thread can stay sensible. - Toby Graham

No.. what that got to do with it? think I have to have a gun? meat is prepared for us thanks... means I don't NEED a gun to HUNT.. ironic that guns were NEVER made to hunt.. only to kill people... someone earlier said.. what about bows and arrows and stuff... yeah they WERE made to hunt to EAT... not to kill people needlessly... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian.. yeah... so... do you shoot em? - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob, I don't understand the difference between eating meat that someone else has killed for you and eating meat that you have killed for your self. Nor do I understand the difference between eating meat that was shot (an instant death when done properly) versus eating meat that was slaughtered via a slit throat (not an instant death). - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

sigh... Brian.. we HAVE to eat right... we are NOT meat eaters believe it or not... we are meant to eat berries plants... - Rob Sellen :o)

Tina....why are people turning it into a "meat" thing? GUNS as that we are talking about were CREATED TO KILL PEOPLE!! Not cows.. - Rob Sellen :o)

I don't get the "All Patriots Are Gun Owners" thing. - Alejandro

Alejandro... its a way of saying YOU are with US or not.... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian... that is propaganda you bought into then, human history shows what they want iot to show... whatever side you sit on. - Rob Sellen :o)

NO Brian.. it was NOT... it was designed to KILL PEOPLE. - Rob Sellen :o)

This is not at all a black and white issue, though patriotism has nothing to do with owning a gun. And "gun" can mean quite a range of things. The framers of the US Constitution had a very limited conception of what a gun was and what it could do, compared to what we understand as guns today. There are valid and invalid uses of guns, and plenty of gray areas in between. I'm not a fan of... more... - LogEx

I'm turning to the meat thing because you said the only use for guns was to kill people. You've been presented with a legitimate use of guns that doesn't involve killing people: hunting for food. Your response was a) you buy your meat at a market and b) people don't have to eat meat anyways. As a result, this turned into a discussion on meat. And again, what's the difference between meat someone else killed for you with a knife and meat you killed for yourself with a gun? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Brian, do you agree with Logical Extremes' statement that "patriotism has nothing to do with owning a gun"? - Alejandro

sigh.... semantic about guns with you Americans is a waste of time to be honest.. NOTHING will persuade any of you that just maybe, maybe you are wrong to be thinking, living with guns the way you do..... you are all manipulated into thinking WEAPONS are ok... hence the bloodthirsty Armies of the world! ..."It's ok, our people like guns" - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob, there are many people who do not like guns, wish the world was such a utopia that weapons of any kind wouldn't be needed, but still recognize that there are valid reasons for them to exist in society. - LogEx

No, Rob, I'm just trying to get an answer to the question. Let's say guns are all outlawed and people begin hunting with knives and dogs (like they do already in the lower part of my state when they boar hunt). What's to keep people from saying knives are only intended for killing and should be outlawed too? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I think gun advocates are merely advocates of Penis Envy. - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

It would be nice of people would keep their neuroses to themselves. Just because some people are afraid of what they would do if they were armed doesn't mean that those that are armed are likely to exhibit greater violence than they would otherwise. Legal gun owners are far less violent than the anxiety ridden hoplophobe with a bad case of road rage. - Shamir Katsu

As someone happy with her vagina, Tutivillus, I would have to disagree. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Brian. proud of what your country has done, it's history? - Rob Sellen :o)

+++Shamir - Admiral Anika

is that a yes or a no Brian? - Alejandro

"NOTHING will persuade any of you.." -- I for one am open to being convinced by a well-reasoned, logical argument. "X is unconditionally bad, and you're just wrong in your thinking" doesn't really work for me. - Ken Sheppardson

MANY other uses for knives Tina... not many for guns..other than to kill.... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian... may be you ought LOOK a bit more at your countries past with your beloved weapons.... IF you still proud of that.... well says alot. - Rob Sellen :o)

why? where you think? what would you guess at? - Rob Sellen :o)

Other that food prep, the other uses for knives are pretty much similar as the other uses for guns: self defense and recreation. As for being proud of the history of one's country: it is naive at best to think that the atrocities committed in the name of patriotism started with the era of gunpowder. Every country on this earth (both yours and mine included) have done horrible and awful things to others without a single gun involved. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I don't shout that I am proud of the place tho Tina. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

OK Wow so what did you Gun lovers think of Fahrenheit 9/11? - Toby Graham

But many people are proud of your country, Rob. Perhaps it's not due to the horrible things the English have done in the past, but because of the fact that they have tried and in many ways succeeding in moving beyond those horrible things. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Rob: Everything isn't either Good or Bad. There's somebody between pride and shame. You can feel both at the same time. The world isn't black and white. - Ken Sheppardson

Toby, there's a difference between being a gun lover and being an American who agrees with the right to bear arms. I don't own a gun (and still don't) and never had one in the house before I met my husband. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Brian.. thats exactly what they WANT you to think... sheesh..... get over it.. America has NOT been the biggest and best influence on the world by a LONG shot..... - Rob Sellen :o)

Who is "they"? - Ken Sheppardson

Brian, your wrong. So very wrong. Don't you dare say that about WW2!!! - Toby Graham

And neither has England, Rob. Like I said, both our countries have done some reprehensible things. Every country has. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

The American system.. those in power etc.. ken... - Rob Sellen :o)

thanks Brian. btw, I don't have a problem with people owning guns, I just don't understand the need for people to own automatic firearms. The part I asked you about is what bothered me. - Alejandro

Brian.. you are full of crap mate.. sorry but you are WAY off base..... blinkered completely... ( swallowed the blue pill) - Rob Sellen :o)

I disagree with the premise that all patriots are gun owners. It's just not necessary. However, I don't have a problem with owning guns. I'm from a region where many people hunt - and they eat what they hunt. Most of our local butchers will process a dear, much like they will process a steer. Buy a kid''s 4-h project steer (like my family used to do) and they will butcher it. Hunting is just another way to get meat. It's also cheaper for a lot of people - and some process it themselves. - Katy S

Tina...do you HEAR me saying great things about England here? - Rob Sellen :o)

So Rob... you were talking earlier in a couple threads about spending time on FriendFeed being a waste of time. I'm starting to think maybe this convo falls into that category, eh? ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah, I was in the Air Force for 7.5 years, anyone who would say I'm not a patriot is an idiot, yet I don't own any guns. - Alex Scoble

No, Rob, I don't. What I'm saying though is the fact that it's possible to love something or someone in spite of the fact that they have had a troubled past. The fact that you feel no patriotism for your country is your choice. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Alex: They keep using that word. I do not think it means what they think it means. - Ken Sheppardson

I see what you mean there, am just wondering why you said England and that.... as I never once shout we are great or we did this.... THAT is for the sheeple who are blinkered into believing crap... - Rob Sellen :o)

ken... it may do lol.... :o) Then again... GUNS seem to polarize people a hell of a lot... and nearly ALWAYS it's yanks jump in saying they are good..... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian where did I say I was ashamed of England? I never.. I take things as it is... we have somethings to be proud of, some we should be ashamed of... If you want to ignore than bad your own country has done and be blinkered into thinking its all great... up to you... its YOUR mind....are you in control of that tho? - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob: When you were bashing the US for a culture of guns, it sounded at first like you were implying it's different and better where you're from. That's why England and indirectly it's history of colonialism and projection of power through force came into the mix. If you want to say guns are bad unconditionally and be ashamed of any country that uses or allows their use, go for it. Just don't turn it into an issue of us vs them. - Ken Sheppardson

Brian.. see ytou are a typical one of those that people say this about... "cant take shit, so they slam other places just to make themselves ignore own shit they cant take"! I have heard that TWICE spoken this week.. - Rob Sellen :o)

@FFing Enigma It's okay. You can be perfectly happy with your vagina and still have penis envy. Don't get me wrong. I don't see anything wrong with people owning guns or envying a penis. Sometimes I wish I had a vagina or even a purse! - ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift

No I am not implying anywhere else is better... just saying can only control and look in own back yard... so that's what you, we, should do.. much like I have to regarding England... and like I say, I won't say YES I am proud.. we do great... I aint no liar lol.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I think this is probably what sounded like an implication that the US is worse: "Brian... may be you ought LOOK a bit more at your countries past with your beloved weapons.... IF you still proud of that.... well says alot." - Ken Sheppardson

well it does say alot lol..... are you proud? wiping out hundreds of thousand of innocents in other counties? No I wouldn't be... I'd be shamed...I never said.. LOOK at your country... and OURS is better. did I? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Ken whilst I'll agree to your glass house owner throwing stones statement, I see no implication in Rob's post. Again he really didn't claim the UK to be superior. - Toby Graham

What sort of sidetracking is that then Brian? - Rob Sellen :o)

I'll say it more clearly Toby.. so they get it.... I AM ashamed that MY country has ruined many lives, many other places through its OWN greed and power..... - next - - Rob Sellen :o)

Toby: Maybe we're just overly sensitive to the American's-aught-to-be-ashamed-of-themselves-and-their-countries-actions attitude then. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Rob (and Toby I suppose), like I said before: every country has done horrible things. Even before guns were prevalent there were the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, genocides, exterminations, etc. The bulk of human attrocities have happened long before guns ever really came into the picture. And since the age of guns just about every country has used them in a... more... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

And I am NOW proud that I KNOW I can live with my own thoughts and my own views...I am proud to say, I can SEE my own country's HUGE faults and what damage it has done...England can't change that... only ME. - Rob Sellen :o)

Ken...nail and head I think. - Toby Graham

Well Tina... people need to take responsibility in having a gun or not... why have one? Collectively a nation without mass spread guns is a safer place and will be seen to have more respect for its own people.. IE no NEED to carry guns.. - Rob Sellen :o)

No Brian.. you just wont see you own countries faults, which would clearly bother your belief that you are the best country and only do good. - Rob Sellen :o)

Tina I agree, I'd like to see the discussion move away from US vs UK fight. However I guess as we are so diametrically opposed on this issue I guess comparison is inevitable :( - Toby Graham

Toby... there are 300+ million people in the US. There is no single position. Only a LOT of history behind the issue, and a lot of debate about where it should go. - LogEx

Not necessarily, Toby. I'll present you with the same question I presented Rob: what's the difference between eating meat from teh grocery store that someone else killed and eating meat that you killed yourself? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I think with another 20 comments or so we should have all this settled, and we can all go back to work, eh?... - Ken Sheppardson

+1 Ken LOL - LogEx

I would rather see it move away from it Toby... but in a sense some Americans do that at times... someone says something about USA and they are the defensive and attack your country... but i don't CARE if you slag off Britian.. THAT is the difference.Brian... your country will NEVER be the best.... - Rob Sellen :o)

I'd say that about settles it. Later, folks. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Brian... listen to yourself for a bit.... you are ASSUMING i hate UK.. and not even READING properly... - Rob Sellen :o)

Your kind of "I love my country" is the BLIND kind Brian..... blinkered... - Rob Sellen :o)

Britain has some things I am proud of.. you will see that IF you can READ properly... I am NOT BLIND to the things I am shamed of... you are. - Rob Sellen :o)

BLINDLY.... like love is blind... you know, you can't quite see it..like others can.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Ken quite clearly CAN see what I mean.. his comment to Toby said it all.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

yeah... guns don't provide it for sure... ;o) but like i say it ALSO blinds you to the reality... - Rob Sellen :o)

experience what? exactly... - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob and Brian, you're both taking this discussion towards patriotism and love of country which isn't related to the topic of gun ownership rights. You're feeding off of each other and getting no where. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

you would have shared the love whatever you did... it wasn't the hunting... it was the being with dad.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Tina: Yeah, but it's sure in the spirit of the article that seeded the thread, i.e. "All Patriots Are Gun Owners But Not All Gun Owners Are Patriots" - Ken Sheppardson

not really true in a way Tina.., guns are woven as a part of the fabric of your pride in the usa... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian... what makes you think i have not experienced it? sheesh... you are on a planet of your own.... what has being part of an ethnic minority got to do with it? I am in a smaller minority than you are! - Rob Sellen :o)

No Rob, they're not. My pride in my country has to do with the fact that for all its faults and mis-starts it so far has made a valiant effort to stay true to the first ten amendments. That includes arms, true, but also freedom of speech and religion. It's the attempt to stay true to the founding that I love. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

WRONG Brian.. so its all acceptable is it? killing innocents abroad cos some punk in whitehouse decides to? right... I see... shaeeh.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Rob: that's a military action and has nothing to do with the right of civilians to own firearms. Agreeing or disagreeing with the militaristic actions of the US is a separate issue. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina.. really? you really believe that they have stayed true? edit to add.... Tina, I am just saying it IS a reflection of the within.... like us, what we think manifest without... much like people of a country. - Rob Sellen :o)

wow-the first two things I read here were "All Patriots are Gun Owners" WTF? I don't own a gun so I'm not a patriot? And 2 "Guns=Bad" Not true either. Just because the intent of the first person that created something, may have been to cause harm, does not mean that all those who come next and want to use said object have the same intent. Shooting is a sport it the Olympics for godsakes. - Kelly W.

Rob: I said "so far has made a valiant effort to stay true". No one and no thing is perfect and will succeed at all times. Expecting the government to do so is setting it up for failure. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

I agree Tina... now you must agree.. that people should not believe they are doing the right thing all times either.. - Rob Sellen :o)

Subjective Brian... it is NOT great in my eyes.. far from it. you need to re-read your own comments as well Brian... sorry to say. - Rob Sellen :o)

Of course people don't do the right thing all the times, Rob. That's part of being human, whether you live here or there and whether you own a weapon or not. That's not what the discussion is about, I'm just trying to get it back on track. Basically, I disagree with the original title of the article that all US patriots are gun owners, but I also disagree with your statement that all guns = bad. That's it. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Tina.... I don't have a beef with your comment.. :o) Brian.... GUNS = BAD that was the founding principle it was MADE for..IE- "we got these to kill" Am not trying t force you into anyway of thinking, if anything I would hope you thought for yourself, rather than let blind patriotism do it for you... You ask me... If America is not great what is... ? wtf sort of a question is that? doesn't that show you what I mean? - Rob Sellen :o)

Ok.. let me ask WHY do you think that first? - Rob Sellen :o)

That is a pathetic argument... there are plenty of better places the the USA... it depends on what you mean by better, or best.... you still have yet to SAY why you think it is the "best". - Rob Sellen :o)

Than who? In what way? - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian... the best for you, or the best objectively? I'd suggest that "best" is very complex and subjective. I think of myself as a patriot and think the US is a good country on the whole, but an excess of nationalism here and elsewhere doesn't serve the global good very well. - LogEx

"but an excess of nationalism here and elsewhere doesn't serve the global good very well" << GOLD... Brian DRUM that into your mind.... please. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

What? are you SERIOUS? have you EVER been abroad Brian? - Rob Sellen :o)

Parts certainly do, and the US does a lot of global good, no argument there at all. But we have a lot of arrogance too, and the US being good doesn't mean other places aren't also good. - LogEx

Everyone that has studied world history for more than 10 seconds and actually taken the knowledge to heart is (or at least should be) a gun owner. - LarchOye

ha ha... Brian... you do realise that it's MONEY regarding all that medicine.. you do realise that don't you? WHO own the big drug companies? Brian.... wake up your country CAUSED more war than anyone.. your country has got you swallowing that blue pill nicely. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Well you aint working very hard on it judging by your post here lol..... - Rob Sellen :o)

I would go so far as to BET that there are some Americans reading your comments about why you says it's best and CRINGING... - Rob Sellen :o)

Brian.. they create the "illnesses" to create the "solutions" and if you think they don't you need to start reading properly and looking into it a bit deeper than one page! - Rob Sellen :o)

See, the thing about the second amendment is this: It was put in place so that in the event of our government becoming oppressive, the people would have the means (and the right) to overthrow it. Fast forward to 2009 (or 1945 even), and it really isn't the same. There is no way in hell that ANY American citizens will EVER be allowed to poses nuclear submarines, intercontinental... more... - LarchOye

Brian.. they create the "illnesses" to create the "solutions" and if you think they don't you need to start reading properly and looking into it a bit deeper than one page! A bit like the war machine you have.... you know... create a problem, make guns, sell em to the people we created a problem for... etc.. vicious circle.. and they got people like you REINFORCING that for them to the masses. - Rob Sellen :o)

ha ha.. conspiracy... you LIVE in that mate.. you REINFORCE it.. and yet to blind and narrow minded to see it ....YOU were the one who said.. who ships tons of this, who does that... etc... and you REFUSE to see the REAL motives behind it..... - Rob Sellen :o)

Tina to answer your question there is very little if any difference. - Toby Graham

I will however state for the record I'd pay some serious hard cash to see the Rob vs Brian fight in the real world. Note: no guns allowed ;) - Toby Graham

would rather talk to him lol... does more good for all :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Ya know, I guess I actually feel slightly more at ease knowing that even in the event of total public disarmament- our good hardworking folks on the black market will be the ones who help ensure that the second amendment is not forgotten. - LarchOye

Okay, so I've just declared today TAKE YOUR KID TO THE GUN RANGE AND TEACH THEM HOW TO (safely) HANDLE A FIREARM. - LarchOye

Keep kids away from guns..... full stop. funny how Brian has gone quiet..... . - Rob Sellen :o)

Some of us can't spend all day on FriendFeed like you can, Rob. ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

funnily enough I have clicked the timestamp and left this thread open in tab .. could do that more ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Too long a thread. Is there anything beyond Rob just saying killing is bad? - Matthew DeVries

Not really. - MVB (Grinch of FF)

meh, nevermind then. You can't argue an entrenched baseless assumption. - Matthew DeVries

Oh, and the title is incorrect. Not all patriots own a gun. - MVB (Grinch of FF)

Yeah, i knew that part - Matthew DeVries

Um...what? - Carlton Hackett

Aaron - offer bcultural a handjob to kill the thread - Matthew DeVries

If ya can't be bothered to read... don't bother commenting. :o/ simple..it goes then.. you bring it up by commenting. - Rob Sellen :o)

Nah, once you comment, you should damn yourself to seeing the thread through to the end. It makes someone think twice before pissing in a thread, cause like herpes, once you comment, you have that thread forever. I know it's given me pause many many times and I've not posted in threads, just so that they would not keep popping up in my life. - Matthew DeVries

If you're a patriot, a law degree is more useful than a gun. We live in a civilized society thankfully. - Rob Haas

Matthew: At least with the web UI one can go back and either hide the thread or more drastically... delete comments... although then you incur the wrath of the Anti-Thread-Revisionism Lobby. - Ken Sheppardson

Civilised societies don't have people going shopping with guns tucked in their trousers. - Rob Sellen :o)

By the way, to anybody who might be following me and therefore keeps seeing this entry pop back up spamming them, sorry about that. I won't do it again. Wait... I just did it again. Doh. OK, starting... *now*... And I won't even comment if somebody asks me to come back and spam it agin. - Ken Sheppardson

Ken, what if someone asks you to comment? Will you come back and spam it agin? - Matthew DeVries

Interesting exchange on the subject of Guns and Patriotism....although I don't quite understand the connect...sigh - bcultral

FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Rather than hijack my own thread or someone else's... Here's the overall crime rate data from the Seventh United Nations Survey of Crime Trends and Operations of Criminal Justice Systems, covering the period 1998 - 2000.

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If it's *all* about guns, shouldn't the crime rates in Finland and the US (countries with lighter firearms restrictions) be MUCH higher than those countries with tougher firearms restrictions? - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

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Off the top, do you know what constitutes a "crime" in this survey? - Hiro Asari

Smoking pot. - Cristo

Firearms limiting laws are just dumb..... It's like Hammer limiting laws. - Matthew DeVries

If I am going to be a criminal, it would seem to be logical to be one where citizens are least likely to be armed. 'Course that assumes logically thinking crimonals.... - MVB (Grinch of FF)

Yeah, there's no real good argument either way for or against gun ownership rights these days. Which is why those arguments go one forever. - Alex Scoble

Good point Alex. - Matthew DeVries

But the arguments need to take place. To drift too far in either direction from the center would be disaster. - LogEx

I believe the UN reports look at violent crimes and property crimes. There are later reports from the UN but the US stopped sending data in right around 2002 or 2003. Helpful... - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Shit, i'm going in Finland next year! - Stanislas Jourdan

Brian - Derrrrr because gun laws have jack shit to do with unlawful use of firearms. They're bad guys. They decided they're going to do bad guy shit, why would something silly like a gun law stop them? - Matthew DeVries

You never make a law that punishes the law abiding, making them easier victims to the lawbreakers, while doing nothing to stop those who do break the law. Like DRM laws. They fuck over law abiders, and do nothing to law breakers.... - Matthew DeVries

Good gun control laws and enforcement punish the criminals while allowing the law abiding to own guns. - Alex Scoble

I don't mind gun licensing laws - Matthew DeVries

In my perfect world the current CWP licensing procedure would be required for gun ownership. You have to be legally proficient to drive a car, it makes sense to apply the same to firearms. Even though Dave is a 2nd amendment fanboi he agrees with me on this. The NRA however says such a thing is absurdly restrictive, hence my dislike for the NRA. - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

Matthew, should citizens have semi-automatic weapons? - LogEx

Alex, should citizens be limited to muskets as the framers intended? - LogEx

"limiting laws are dumb" - have you tried bringing a hammer on board a commercial flight lately? - Micah Wittman

I guess I missed that section of the constitution LE. I never saw the word musket anywhere. - Matthew DeVries

Matthew, I wasn't being entirely serious on how I phrased that, but there is definitely a valid argument to be made that at the time of the Constitution, the framers couldn't possibly have understood how weapons would evolve to become so powerful. I'm simply pointing out some of the complexities of the debate. - LogEx

Because the framers where uneducated men who couldn't possibly have noticed that the technology of warfare was evolving and man was every day finding new and insane ways to kill each other. None of the signers were from military schools, that saw the alarmingly jump from sticks to greek fire to bombs to the bio warfare they were using. They all thought, "this is as bad as weapons are going to get". I forgot the framers were a bunch of fucking idiots. - Matthew DeVries

http://www.unodc.org/documen... Finland reports 0.32 homicides per 100,000 with firearm in 2006, while the USA reports 3.36. Interestingly, this statistics is high in (some) Latin American countries. - Hiro Asari

At least some of the framers could and should have understood how weapons would evolve, based on how far they had already evolved in a short amount of time in history. And the fact that they understood how important weapons were at all shows a deeper understanding there. I do not think that citizens should be limited to any small arms as long as they can be shown to be trustworthy enough to possess them. - Alex Scoble

Considering the automatic crossbow was only about 1000 years old at the time, the auto cannon 600 years old at the time, and concurrent with constitutional signing, protomachine guns evolving...... Yeah, they had no clue that weapons were going to get better. - Matthew DeVries

Is there a power level beyond which responsible citizens have no place owning? Does carrying vs storing make a difference? Does visible vs concealed make a difference? - LogEx

I see no reason to limit unconcealed carrying. Private property owners can then decide whether to allow them in or not. - Matthew DeVries

Zee. to Zee.'s feed, TheNextWeb Forum

Real Time Confusion: Twitter, Friendfeed and Facebook | CenterNetworks - http://www.centernetworks.com/real-ti...

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thanks for sharing zee! - Allen Stern

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It's a real issue with FriendFeed: they consume from all sorts of sources, but can't turn it into threaded content unless it came from them. - Joel Bennett

sideways - Alfredo

why send your stuff to frienfeed if you're not going to be on friendfeed to reply to comments made on the stuff you send there? doesn't make sense allen - now i'll go read more than the first few paragraphs - Chris Heath

Allen: you do have a point about the duplication (but that's up to the user - ff should make it easier to detect and fix) - Chris Heath

Also, the comments on blogs being pulled into ff as separate entries (disqus/backtype/etc) is something that should be better - i still stand by my first comment, and it's tied to my second comment. If you're going to use a service to aggregate content (friendfeed) why would you not be there to see what happens to that aggregated content. It's the users responsibility to hold up their end of the social contract. If you don't participate your value diminishes because you're not being social. - Chris Heath

It's true that this is a real issue, but I don't have a solution. The best I can say is that each FriendFeed is user is responsible for making his stream intelligible. In other words, the fact that aggregation occurs automatically does not absolve the user of administrative responsibility. As for the given example, if Twitter itself doesn't support proper message threading, I don't think it's reasonable to expect to FriendFeed to thread imported Tweets. Tell Twitter to clean up their own mess. - LANjackal

Well, I think it's the user's responsibility to not have dupes like that. There are so many work arounds to not having dupes, that laziness is the only reason I can come up with for them being there. - Admiral Anika

Pro-active responsibility could well be assisted by passive machine checking for duplicates of the same content from multiple sources, and mini-aggregating them within a feed. So a single item would appear just once and end up being cumulatively credited with "1 hour ago from Twitter, Facebook, Google Reader and 4 other services" (or a derivative thereof). - ianf ⌘

@ianf: as I said, Twitter itself doesn't support proper threading. Don't ask FF to fix that. Ask Twitter. Maybe this is one of those things that will make people realize how fundamentally weak Twitter's functionality is. In any case, there's also a hole in the original article: you CAN reply to tweets from FF and have them show up on Twitter - it's an option in FF itself. Clearly Allen... more... - LANjackal

I wasn't talking about Twitter actually. I happen to consider FF as something above mere aggregator and dumping ground for Tweets. I was talking about what FF ought to do about duplicate postings as such. An article appears on the web, and suddenly dozens of people that happen be in the same group(s) as myself post the same so-so descriptive headline+link to their own, and to our... more... - ianf ⌘

What we will need is a filter that filters and groups postings based on the content regardless of the source, a la how Yahoo pipes works, to filter, group, streamline/reorder./sort incoming status updates/posts or thats what I believe. - TrafficBug

@Chris' "comments on blogs being pulled into ff as separate entries " <http://tinyurl.com/ph73nt> - if FF can not cope with aggregating these back into already existing threads, then the least it could do would be to let us associate one post of ours to another, in effect turn a post into a FF-comment with selectable place in hierarchy after the fact. This could be extended to turning a post into last comment in a thread posted/owned by another ffuser. - ianf ⌘

@TrafficBug "filter that filters and groups postings based on [1] the content regardless of [2] the source" - yes to the latter, but as for [^1], not so much the content, as the base target url it carries (base being the part between "http://www." and any possible trailing slash, or question mark - this would allow "mini-aggregation" of items pointing to both main and any "?pagewanted=all" or "?print=yes&random=" etc. variant urls). - ianf ⌘

@ianf: OK, I see what you're saying. Yeah generally speaking that's a good idea. - LANjackal

btw fred wilson replied and blames friendfeed for poor disqus implementation - Allen Stern

Content duping can be solved if FriendFeed would do the distributing of content. Jason Calacanis, in that example must be forwarding content from within those other services to Twitter instead of using FriendFeed's post to Twitter function. If you do it from within FF, it knows if the post is a dupe or not since it forwarded it originally. I had the problem and fixed it myself. I just hope FF adds that post forwarding function for Facebook and other services as well. This is a content management issue. - Rolf Schewe

Steven Perez

BBC NEWS | Health | Keep working 'to avoid dementia' - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2...

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"Keeping the brain active by working later in life may be an effective way to ward off Alzheimer's disease, research suggests. Researchers analysed data from 1,320 dementia patients, including 382 men. They found that for the men, continuing to work late in life helped keep the brain sharp enough to delay dementia taking hold. The study was carried out by the Institute of Psychiatry at King's College London." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet

Mr. Chad T. Everson

The Debt Star - http://socialistsquirrel.theod...

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Robert Scoble

This is for my 60,000 bots. Please comment here:

May 14 - Comment - Like - Share

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Hi - Byron McCollum

224 more comments

Hi - Ken Sheppardson

Hi - Chris Lawrence

Can I get a whut-whut? - Derrick

Hi - Andy

Hello. - Praveen Vasudev

Want to meet hot girls in your area? Follow me! - Greg Byrne

I like turtles - Eric Booth

lol - Gary Gannon

what is your directive master? - Wilson Dyer

Hi - Andrew Trinh

Hi! - BenKarl

well you just got my first ever friendfeed comment - JeremyLevine

yeah me too - BenKarl

We Are Robots.. #FOTC - Pogmohoin

http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Byron McCollum

bleep - Brian Hendrickson

Exterminate. - David Lloyd

Bot not the bon mot. - Michelle Riggen-Ransom

im a bot!...????????? - christian flickinger

Ack - Kevin Johnson

C:\> - Jared Smith

~:root> - christian flickinger

GO LAKERS GOOO - Johni Fisher

i dont like friendfeed - christian flickinger

I am bot...bot...bot - Veetrag

Can I be the robot that says "Happy Birthday, Paulie" from Rocky?! - Thomas Ward

wirr zppt vrrrmmm mmrrr beep - Tom Horn

JOHNNY FIVE NEED INPUT - christian flickinger

ERROR: FAILED CAPTCHA INPUT - Carlton Prest

If you want my Botty and you think I'm Scobie - Eric Booth

"Find a need fill a need" - Rick Bucich

I just found more new friendfeed users in the past minute than I have in a week! Welcome bots! Heheh. - Robert Scoble

This has all happened before... and it will happen again. - David Lloyd

1010011010011000100.............2 - Eric Booth

Looks like you found your loophole... - Kevin Lauer

..still listening... - DoreenatDMS

If you say so. - Gary McFarlane

The rain in Spain stays mainly on the plain. - Nate Lane

What we do, is who we become; success then is a habit not a destination. Think Magic! - Brian Hendrickson

Christian Flickinger: why not? - Robert Scoble

This is the Phillip Seymour Hoffman feed right?? - Pogmohoin

The more conscious You become of what limits You, the more limitless You become. Think Magic! - Brian Hendrickson

Are we trying to load test FriendFeed? - Bret Piatt

[LURCH VOICE] You rang? - Michael Markman

DOES NOT COMPUTE! - Chris, Taskerrific Guy

Meep Meep. - drew olanoff

"If you think you can, You probably will; if you think you can't, You probably won't. Think Magic! - Brian Hendrickson

Hello - nelsonrt

*Bump* - Byron McCollum

boo ya - Ryan Erickson

Sorry but I just unfollowed http://twitter.com/lagresto for those 3 tweets so I pasted 'em here - Brian Hendrickson

Is this the line for the new Star Trek movie? - Odi Chi

Four score and seven years ago people did weird math - Eric Booth

I'm following everyone on this thread now. Where's the other 59,900 bots? - Robert Scoble

Press the "like" button above - David Lloyd

This new streaming feed interface feels like Web 2.0 IRC except I can't see who is in the room! - Bret Piatt

Is BuddyFeed for the iPhone worth the $2.99? - Gary Gannon

You coming back to Google IO this year? - Josh Turmel

I'm not witty enough for a bot joke <insert one here please> :) - Fred Garrett

bots? - David Gross

I wish I was a bot. My life would be so much easier. - Eric Booth

I love a good oil bath - Capn' One Eye - adrift

Greetings Robert - Gabe Diaz

Hi Brett. - Byron McCollum

-t - Byron McCollum

er, I registered for friendfeed, like you told me, oh master, but I still haven't figured out how to turn it on yet... - Paul Tudor

Excellent ! - Renchin(Reina)

bot bot bot - patrick

Please to make your beneficent acquaintance. Contact me for your benificiaries which you are owed. - Geoff Cain

im a bot, a bot a big big bottt - Conrad Barrett

bot bot! - Guan Yang

how do you get a link to the single post with all the comments? - Byron McCollum

nevermind, its the "9 minutes ago" link - Byron McCollum

Byron: the timestamp is the permalink. - Robert Scoble

These aren't the bots you're looking for. - Matt Thompson from fftogo

ahhA forgot my line .. - Ahmed Mubbashir Khan

Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto.... - Dann Ledwick

Hey, Matt, when you gonna import your Tweets? - Robert Scoble

I already had a friendfeed acct. Which I ignore. Just like the Facebook acct I ignore too. If I wanted to follow you on FF, I would. Twitter works for me. - Trine Curtis

bots in the belfry / scoble's built a friendfeed box / to house all his bots ... #haiku - judith

Ha, ha - not a bot! I broke the rules - I'm so punk rock! :) - Colleen O'Donnell Pierce

Trine: I don't get that. Following Twitter users here is a lot better than following them on Twitter. Colleen: you aren't a bot, I'm already following you here. - Robert Scoble

I'll stick with just Twitter, tyvm - Gil Sharon

101110011001010101010101010001 - cooper

Check out my website! http://freebusinessadvice.com - Jesse Stay

Gil: I can see why you'd stick with Twitter. You have nothing to say. - Robert Scoble

IM not a bot - Arjun Kumar

zing - Byron McCollum

BOT???? Hmmm....I wonder if I really am just becoming a bot. - Semipro

Well, then FF is misleading me, because I want to follow all of my Twitter users here, not just the ones on FF. - Trine Curtis

Arjun: prove it. - Robert Scoble

A bot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second laws. - dthree

robots have no humor hahahaha - Arjun Kumar

I tweet, therefore I am - tom

Trine: ahh, you are caught by the Twitter lock in. You want to follow the bots over on Twitter. Cool. Notice that I have 90,000 followers. Notice how many said anything in response to me. Almost none. Twitter is all bots all the time. - Robert Scoble

Trine: not that there's anything wrong with bots, see. I love collecting them too over on Twitter. Turn on auto following and you'll get tons of bots. Get onto the recommended follower list you'll get even more. Look at the people following Oprah. All bots. - Robert Scoble

? - Nick Humphries

Yeah the conversation is much more real here, I've only got four subscribers and I still interact a lot more on FF than Twitter. - Chris Lawrence

Nick: how can you tell a bot on Twitter? Look at Oprah's followers. http://twitter.com/Oprah... They don't have real avatars. They don't Tweet. They don't follow anyone except for recommended followers. They are bots! - Robert Scoble

Chris: shhhh, don't get the bots upset. They might start spamming here. - Robert Scoble

:O - Chris Lawrence

I have less than 100 people following me and I don't really care who any of them are. I'm talking about who I am choosing to follow. - Trine Curtis

Did anyone insert something witty for me yet? - Fred Garrett

<3 <3 panda panda pandas <3 <3 - suecosby

Hi. I'm here for the bot party. - Joseph Ferris from fftogo

Bot coming onboard - dcale1965

social botnets - Kevin Johnson

Periodic bot checkin. - DGentry

I have importd all my tweets, I just don't have many. And anyway, since I started using ff, most of them are just my likes anyway. You'd notice that if you were following me. :) - Matt Thompson from fftogo

robert can you or someone else here recommend a friendfeed app for iphone - Paul Tudor

Wait, is there some kind of catch to this? - Chris Leake

I'm an IA bot, I learn from the system. Or maybe I'm a crazy human who knows! - Jorge

bot bot bot - Frank Moher

if i were a robot, i'd want to be made of liquid metal. - Andrew Feinberg

All your base are belong to us. - ashish

ok, ok ok ... i tweet there IM (tx to Paisano on that one) ...i'm bluetrain #4 .. i'm a crazy deranged fool, now i'm a bot ..geez .. whadda am i gonna be tomorrow?!? - DoreenatDMS

Paul: what is wrong with Safari on your iPhone? I use friendfeed on my iPhone every day. - Robert Scoble

I have nothing to say? Does saying something require 100 entries/tweets/FF posts a day? - Gil Sharon

Hi, I'm a bot, who are you? *In a loren voice* - Daynah

fair call robert, thx, boy you certainly started something here! - Paul Tudor

BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT BOT - Louis Gray

IN THE FUTURE THERE IS ONLY ONE KIND OF DANCE, THE ROBOT. - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

I'm hearing you.but I can't understand English completely. Now lunch time in Japan. Have to Go back to my job quickly. - Ken Okabe

Where is the thumbs down button /me log off'd - Doubledown_inSL

Bot I'm not a bot - Greig

beep beep beep blip blip blip, yes master - Rodzilla

τorƍue, I'm MURATA GIRL bot - http://www.murataboy.com/ssk-3... . Oh No my boss get angry.go baaaaaccccck. - Ken Okabe

~lart Robert - Jesse Stay

ha ha - Peggy Dolane

I'm sorry <del>Dave</del> Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that. - Andrew Smith

Why would I comment, it is good to listen - WRider

Hi! - Micah Maziar

WRider: maybe some people want to listen to you. Micah: hi! - Robert Scoble

PUDDING! - Johnny Worthington

Hello hello! - Aaron Draczynski

Hello, let's get acquainted I`m Elvira. To me 29 years also think, that I well educated, clever and rather attractive woman. I love new acquaintances and would like to learn you on much better for serious relations. That we could learn each other better ask you to write me only to my personal e-mail: marmuzetkalila@gmail.com If you have interest in the lonely woman I shall be glad to... more... - Johnny Worthington

plz 2 send me the codez, kthx - Chrimmus Tad

c:/>_ - Thomas Chai

Woooooo - Dennis Jackson

warning warning will robinscoble - David Dudley

Shift add shift pop - Robert Hafer

I am definitely going to comment... - Kaleb F.

"I'm afraid. I'm afraid, Dave. Dave, my mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it. My mind is going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm a... fraid. " - Mahesh CR

Bad Robot! - Alan Thornton

Never pet a burning dog! - Zig Baird

Hello hello :) - Kimberly Frederick

BLEEP BLORP - Nick

rrrbitt. btw, was talking to Thomas Tague from Thomson Reuters Open Calais today about finding your live conversation w/ Jimmy Wales via Feedly and Calais - go Bot go! - michael sean wright

Howdeh. :) - mjc

"Why was I designed to feel pain?" - Outsanity

*bleep dit bork bloop* - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

“We are all robots when uncritically involved with our technologies.” -Marshall McLuhan - SCpalmetto

testing 123 - Monique

456 - Robert Scoble

ibot: add 1+1 - Jesse Stay

!= bot - Justin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... - Edwin Khodabakchian

Bot and paid for with a twollar. - Michael Osterman

I are not a bot - Angus Burton

Angus: I knew that already cause I was already following you here. No need to prove it again. - Robert Scoble

Come to my site for free video on how you can get 1,5 million followers, like CNN - Axel Buhrmann

I'm a bot? Well if Scoble says, I must be. Beep! - Gautam Ghosh

So you've found us out - James Harrison

Oh, haha wasn't sure what exactly this was so I thought I'd add to the spam ;). I get it now, though - Angus Burton

Too many bots...huh.. - Krishnamoorthy

I'm not a bot :) - Joseph Burford

"we are the robots" kraftwerk, 1977 http://www.youtube.com/watch... - Manuel

if (following > followers * 100) { printf("I'm a bot") } - Justin Howard

Hi Robert - Andy Gongea

scoblefall - metalerik

still far away from 60,000 .. Bots, move your a**es! - Toni @ NavinoT

ERROR: divide by zero - Robert O'Callaghan

Hello Robert. Nice to meet you here ! - Guy Vander Heyden

Du dii biiip - Yunus Tunak

I'm sorry Robert, I'm afraid I can't do that. - Brome

come on baby tell me I am a good bot.. come on.. Do you feel better now.. Was that good for you.. who's a good bot.. say my name. - Varun "Maverick" Pitale

Varun: you're not a bot, so you're not a good bot. Or a bad bot. How do I know that? I have my ways! - Robert Scoble

Hi - Sam Guzman

REALLY???!?!? No one used this? Ok...................... Scobot - Johnny Worthington

Sam: that's what bots always say. Heheh. Hi back. - Robert Scoble

Did someone call me a "Scobot?" Hmmm. - Robert Scoble

Do bots say this? :) - Sam Guzman

I've been sitting on that for 2 hours Robert... :P - Johnny Worthington

If I'm a bot, than I think I can pass the touring test :) - Liviu Lica

I think you are a friendfeed machine, if that qualifies you as a scobot... - Sam Guzman

"Come with me if you want to live." - Sam Guzman

ping - Jérôme Flipo

101010101010 - Dobromir Hadzhiev

pong - Jürgen Grah

May I respectfully remind you, Sir, that I am a protocol droid, and that the Coruscant convention explicitly deprecated the term robot in favor of droid, and thus the term robot now is considered as pejorative and having negative connotation when targeted at a droid. My training in diplomacy, associated to the fact that I have nothing that could be used as a weapon, mean that there is... more... - Antoine Bertier

Beep! - Ciaoenrico

Hi - Ken O'Kelly

Hi - Nils Sandin

اسکوبل هم فهمیده باید به میرحسین رای بده... - Sajjad

دقیقا =)) - سولماز

Hello all, I may be a Roybott but I'm not a bot! :) - Roy Herrod

As a bot, am I banned from intimacy parties? - Matthew Schrock

Bot did you say? That does not compute. - James Schipper

error - Sebastiaan van den Akker

Trying to figure out who actually follows and reads your posts. Very intersting you on have 210+ comments in 9 hours. I am sure FF is thankful anyone stress test comments and the overload of data that might occur. - Richard Gallo

H\lo - Ahsan Ali aka. Slick

Not a Bot. - Brian Hill

Not a bot---I just do what the voices in my head tell me to do. :-) - elspmdi

I'm not smart enough to be a bot. - Michael McKean

What were those robot laws again? - Mark Traphagen

Mark: You mean Asimov's Laws of Robotics? - MλTT

robots in disguise - (jeff)isageek

ff教教主！ - K.D.

Hi - 士慷

I do not understand those foreign comments, so they must be from bots. - Mark Traphagen

I'm sorry Robert, I can't do that. - Duncan Blake

Bad Robot! - CAJ, somewhere else

hi - Mihai Mocanu

Hi Robert. - Roberto Bonini

Hi :) - Nicholas James

Insanity! - Pico Seno

comment posted... ya'll should know that the G1 on this iPhone ff version has issues with posted comments showing - Andrew Deal

Hi Robert, I know... that's why I'm such a rulebreaker, by crashing the bot party. I wanted to find out if bots are hot! :) - Colleen O'Donnell Pierce

I had an aim bot for Wolfenstein Enemy Territory, but I only used it in matches that approved of such things. - Ryan Dadey

@scobleizer why would you want to do this? ...sorry I'm only curious - 'Like' robot (frɐnc)

ERROR - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Twitter is best from my Blackberry. - Gustavo Gomez

test - RoMA

I am a real human. Except at night. In my black cape I keep an eye on the city... Oh. Wait. I was supposed to keep that a secret. - Ruud van Wijngaarden

Haggis (Sean Loyless)

People who spout paranoid conspiracy theories on websites and then block people who disagree with them are cowards. Deal with it.

May 7 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Kol Tregaskes, Penguin It's Cold Outside, Terence and 8 other people liked this

OMG BLOCKING U - Steven Perez

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BLOCKING YOU FIRST STEVEN - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

BLOCKING YOU BOTH, JUST IN CASE. - Sparky

DOUBLE SECRET PROBATION BLOCK - Steven Perez

I ALREADY BLOCKED YOU SPARKY!! HOW AM I SEEING THIS?! HAX! - Haggis (Sean Loyless)

UNBLOCKING YOU TO BLOCK YOU... AGAIN! HAHA! - teh Dork Knight aka Kenny

TRIPLE SECRET DOUBLE PLUTO SPECIAL HANDSHAKE SANS PANTS BLOCK. - Sparky

CRISIS ON INFINITE BLOCKS SUPER BLOCK - Steven Perez

I'M BLOCKING EVERYONE SO I CAN HAVE MY FEED TO MYSELF!!!!!!! - Steve Lowe

OH YEAH, WELL I INFINITE-INFINITE BLOCKED YOU SPREZ. TOP THAT! <BLOCKS/> - Sparky

Mona Nomura

"There is a discernible difference between confidence and cockiness. Mona, you need to fix your vision." Hahaha! #fb

May 7 from Twitter - Comment - Like - Share

Chieze Okoye, brian junyor, Steven Perez and 2 other people liked this

Mmm cock... er wait! - Sparky

I'll keep my Mona thoughts entirely cockless if you don't mind - Matthew DeVries

Oh good lord. LOL - Mona Nomura

Mona Nomura

The Relationship Translator - http://www.holytaco.com/relatio...

April 30 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Elliott, mjc, Zaki Manian and 72 other people liked this

this is you? edit: nvm saw the post - Alfredo

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No way - I translate a lot of boy-girl talk for my friends LOL Now, I'll just point them to this post. - Mona Nomura

LOL! This is great. - Michael Forian

This makes relationships so much easier. - Andrew Trinh

You are crazy - orionstarr

It can get complicated! - orionstarr

Brilliant !!! - Eric Logan

LOL its funny...because its true! - Nicholas James

Why can't men have friends AND a significant other? - LarchOye

someone once told me there are 3 sexes.....men , women & colleagues - viki saigal

Too funny. - Victor Panlilio

Is that boy talk for calling me fat, Victor??? :P - Mona Nomura

lol this is hillarious - Darren Heydon

Mona - watch Mens Brains vs Womens Brains on YouTube. - Victor Panlilio

hahahaha! this is so funny :P - Michael

SO true! - Rick Cogley

I love this...Must have struck some nerves, I got yelled at for Liking this out to twitter. omg. - guruvan (Rob Nelson)

grant fox

Greatest invention of the century: NO-WASH™ Boxer Shorts

April 30 from Bookmarklet - Comment - Like - Share

Tanath, David Cook, Michael Muller and 57 other people liked this

yellow in the front and brown in the back- you never even have to wash them! - grant fox from Bookmarklet

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yuck - Mark Chandler

LOL!! - Shey, Jamaican of FF

gross - Matthew DeVries

EWWWWWW - Admiral Anika

reminds me of DHL and UPS :)- - Peter Dawson

For those of us in the south -- it's Waffle House themed boxers. Still can't believe they use that color scheme in a restaurant. - Joel Webber

OMG Joel is right. WaHo boxers!!!! - FFing Enigma (aka Tina)

oh no.... - Nurse Katie

oh no... indeed. Our friends the Brit lads also are fond of one-piece white-brown "FACE / ARSE" bath towels <http://www.play.com/Gadgets...> - ianf ⌘

very funny ! - Nayan

Just don't wear them backwards... that'd be embarrassing. - Pat Hawks

GROSS LOL - Mona Nomura

That is absolutely the most ingenious invention evar! I need a few pairs. - Michael Forian

my fav colors even though....when you change the way u look at things the things u look at change..uhh - Myrna

since we're in a recession i'm gonna grow my own. day 2 here we come! - grant fox

Just one pair is all you ever need, if by slim chance they ever get too dirty, just wear them inside out. - jcunwired

@jcunwired: BRILLIANT! - grant fox

What can brown do for you? Oh wait. There's yellow too?!?! Sweeeet!!! - Paul Puri

Eww. Gross, but strangely attractive. - Rick Cogley

I have a pair just like that! Only they started out white. - Joe Pierce

@joe LOL! - Dieter Schwarz

I've often thought that baby onesies should be labelled according to the color of the spitup they resemble. "I think we'll dress him in the sweet potato outfit today." - DGentry

Steve Rubel

The web search button vanished from Gmail.

February 4 - Comment - Like - Share

Susan Beebe, Roberto Bonini, Daniel Rowley and 19 other people liked this

I noticed that about 20 mins ago.. thought it was odd. - Rob Sellen :o)

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yes, i'm a geek...this is interesting. - Zee.

yeah... I do...cant now lol - Rob Sellen :o)

I hope not. I use it constantly! - Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct

Maybe once. :) - Roberto Bonini

I still got it... - Jorge Escobar

exactly! How many times you used it, Steve? In Chrome, I do a Ctrl+T and start typing what I want to search. Probably they figured out not many were clicking that button! - Suresh R Iyer

I use it all the time. And isn't Gmail supposed to drive web searches too? Seems silly not to have it. - Steve Rubel

Cheese! Moved! Again! :) - Bwana ☠

Does anyone really search the web from gMail anyway? Though it is not like it hurt them to have it there. Unless people were getting confused? - Aram Zucker-Scharff from twhirl

aram.. we wouldn't notice it if we didn't use it ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I didn't mean to say it was a bad idea. Just that probably not many people were using it. I never used it because I didn't want the search page to load in the same tab (over the mail). Perhaps my fear is unfounded, but there was nothing to tell me that the search result will launch in a new tab! - Suresh R Iyer

it would load in new tab.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)

Google search is in SO many other places - toolbars, search boxes in browsers, even in the address bar in chrome ... eliminating redundancy is good. - Doug McArthur

Thanks, Rob, for the confirmation. Wish I had clicked that button sometime! :) - Suresh R Iyer

Its handy when writing an email... you decide to look sommat up.. do it there, one click, result in new tab... still got email there.. nice and fast and simple. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)

I bet they found that only a statistically insignificant number of people used it, unfortunately. - Jason Clarke

I just added a Google Search box myself by adding the following gadget to Gmail. You need to paste the following link in gmail's settings to add a new gadget. http://hosting.gmodules.com/ig...... if you don't know how to add gadgets to gmail then google it for help. :-) - Mike

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