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Dave Winer says I FriendFeed too much and unfollowed. I wonder how do you know the "right" amount? Discuss here:
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http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... shows my output. Is it too much? How would you cut it back?
- Robert Scoble
More than to little and less than too much? I think it's probably bound to how you use the service. If you follow everyone in the home list and try to watch EVERYTHING than fewer updates are probably better. If you accept you won't see everything and segregate things you care about seeing into lists so you can keep a closer eye on them then updating all the time is probably more acceptable
- matthew john ernisse
Completely subjective... Dave might also think you talk too much at happy hour... other people not so much. You can't please everyone so F*** it and just be yourself.
- Brian Roy
What does he mean you friendfeed too much?
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Since I don't read all FriendFeed entries, there's no such thing as "too much" - unless one person is completely dominating my feed, which is unlikely since I'm following a few hundred people.
- Ontario Emperor
There's a right amount? I guess it depends on how many people you're following. I am following close to 400 I think and your posts don't drown other people out... If I were only following you maybe it would seem like you posted "too much"... Everyone has a different tolerance, I think.
- Fa La La La Lindsay
There is no too much and there is no not enough. One man's noise is another woman's community. ;) Or something...
- Erin @queenofspain
Robert, you certainly seem active but certainly nowhere near too much. I make plenty of good discoveries through your Likes. Don't stop.
- Dion Hinchcliffe
Brian: that is my goal! :-)
- Robert Scoble
The right amount is apparently the amount Dave can follow in the time he's allotted.
- Ken Sheppardson
Dosent bother me either. You don't boycot the newspaper becuase its got too many pages to it. You buy it cause you know thers gonna be some useful pieces of insight - i rarely read every article in my Sunday Times, but I always will find a few really intersting articles in there.
- Roberto Bonini
"Don't let the [cyber] door hit you on the way out" :{>
- Andy Leonard
I am subscribed to you, Robert, and about 200 odd other people, and I HARDLY see your posts come up.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
I think when you overcome the anxiety that you might be missing something important you use friendfeed better. At the end of the day if anyone things you Friedfeed too much why not put you in a list "for later" and peruse your entries at their leisure? Posting too much would be annoyind without the use of lists (your posts would end up hiding everything else) but if you use the tools provided you'll be ok.
- sofiagk
a stream is never big enough :)
- George Tziralis
Robert, I just looked at your feed. Doesn't look like an overburdensome amount to me.
- Ontario Emperor
Frankly, Robert, you aren't doing enough. KEEP UP WITH THE REST OF US. :)
- Steven Perez
FriendFeed too much? No such thing. Too much for Winer? Completely subjective. (Yes! I left out the silly puns!)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
I found out that I would rather use FriendFeed as my capture, muse, and announce entry and let it echo to twitter rather than the other way around. Biggest reason is avoiding the SMS limit and having one RSS feed that captures all of my activity. I go to twitter from my phone, but I only accept directs there.
- Dennis E. Hamilton
from twhirl
Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list.
- Robert Scoble
That is the point... I want to miss about 98% of it. I just want to engage in conversations with people I find interesting. We act like this is somehow different than any other conversation venue...
- Brian Roy
Good 'ol Dave Winer really knows how to make friends and influence people. He blocked me on Twitter when he didn't like what I said in reply to him. Considering the source, I wouldn't give it a second thought. Keep it coming!
- Scott Maentz
When did Friendfeed become a verb? :)
- Jeannie Walters
I just had a small altercation with Dave as well -- maybe to quote Mona N "he had some bad oatmeal" ?
- Brian Sullivan
And you have pretty erratic habits, RS. By that I mean you will be off doing the Scobleizer thing and then get a few moments and "slam" FF with your time and focus. I'm guessing if there was some sort of chart for activity on FF to time, you're activities would be pretty spikey, but not more or less than most other "active" folks. Just my thoughts, I could be wrong ;)
- jamesdkirk
Dave just has it in for FF because his 140 character pearls of wisdom often don't stand up to the scrutiny that a conversation on FF surrounding the comment can sometimes provide.
- Aaron Krug
@Scott Maentz now, now, then, then - usually the truth lies somewhere in between ;-) This is part of the larger conversation around walled/open, access and influence vs. (what's the opposite of that?), etc. @Bria Roy reflects what we probably all do - "it does not matter until it becomes important" is the new "I'll know it when I see it" :D
- Valeria Maltoni
You are only allowed 12.370 posts per day according to posting.limits.on.friendfeed.makes.no.sense.com... :-)
- Seagate
Just taken a look at your feed and frankly don't think it's enough. You having an off day?
- Nicola Quinn
Scoble is trolling for followers....
- Wilma Stoneflint
Nicola: I just got up! Give me a few more minutes! :-) Jamesdkirk: I'm spiky because I'm not always online. I do sleep and yesterday I was off doing interviews.
- Robert Scoble
Yes, I agree... it's a bit too much. When I'm on FriendFeed, it's several pages of Scoble before I see anything else.
- Mason Blake
@Scobleizer - "Personally if someone got noisy but still had value I would separate them onto a list."... exactly. Being unfollowed by someone who provides valuable content to a content powered site, regardless of quantity, is done simply by lack of understanding of the application.
- Enrique Gutierrez
Wilma: no, I don't need those. I do want to have conversations with smart people and Dave's one of the people I love having conversations with.
- Robert Scoble
the comments you are getting says it all, there can't be too much FFding!!
- Devakishor
scoble is a noise maker and evangelist by profession. njoy or leave him alone :)
- George Tziralis
The best thing about these tools is that they adapt to whatever each user wants - I'm not saying anything groundbreaking by saying that its up to each user to decide for themselves what role they want something like FriendFeed to play in their lives. I don't know why he didn't just file you into your own list and yank you out of his main stream
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I agree with Enrique, FriendFeeds lists allow you to create interesting subsets of your full follow cloud. Now if you could only add track terms to lists-- you might have something.
- Cliff Gerrish
Mason: funny, when I start FriendFeed I don't see any Scoble posts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
There is no such thing as too much. Grouping our connections is necessary to keep data and connections meaningful, actionable and manageable. I think folks are struggling with that piece, and will continue to until we find better aggregation techs/methods. FriendFeed is a step in the right direction... but hardly a silver bullet.
- Paul Daigle
Marco: that's the right way to handle someone who goes noisy. Just put them in their own little folder, er, list, and remove them from your main feed. Of course I do the opposite. I keep all the noisy people in my main feed and put all the high signal, low-noise people on my tech list.
- Robert Scoble
It is completely down to the individual what they think is too much, I wouldn't worry too much if someone unfollows you because of it.
- Richard
dave has personal issue of some kind, unless he can clarify his point by explaining in detail, it holds no substance.
- imran
Richard: am I worried? No. I just used it to start a conversation. 45 comments in 18 minutes. Wow.
- Robert Scoble
you cannot friendfeed too much. We don't have good filters to find what the 5% of your updates most relevant to me.
- Phil Wolff
from Alert Thingy
i just check and see whether there is any value being added to what i already know or want to know .. if none or insignificant, i unfollow as well..as a rule, i dont follow those recommends most of whom have little more than personal/insider twitts...i dont really care how famous/savvy/rich FFer is. i only care about his/her contents..that simple.
- Hayk H.
Phil: yeah, it's hard to know what in FriendFeed really will be interesting to us individually but I've found that a high percentage of the time my interests actually align with those of the crowd. Well, except when it comes to manboobs. I hid all those, even though they all started a ton of conversation and got lots of likes.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer - also easier to follow international stuff here vs. Twitter where it gets drowned. There's multi sensory info - images, comments, likes and you can see "communities of conversation" more easily (more 360).
- Valeria Maltoni
I like your activity on FriendFeed much more than Twitter. Twitter is a 10-20 time a day MAX activity... FF is a 20-200x a day system. I think that is how it will hash out.
- Jason Calacanis
I'd rather have too much information than too little. I'm sure you would still disseminate the same amount of info even if you were the last person on this planet.
- James Hoang
I quite like it. I don't follow a huge amount of people so there is quite a lot of quiet time for me when you're busy doing other things. Gives me stuff to go back and look at in the mornings too as youre on a different time shift.
- Simon Wicks
Oh, he's just crabby. You are quite clear both on FF and Twitter that you're a very active user, so followers should caveat emptor and learn to deal.
- Sheila Scarborough
In regards to how do you can personally gauge what is 'too much' - this is something Ive been working on via http://TweepleTwak.com. Having visibility of spikes in "unfollows" has been helpful in identifying the causes within tweets. Still there is no perfect science :-)
- Josh
It would also be different if the content you post was uninteresting... Like Simon, I don't follow too many, so my feed is pretty under control.
- Victoria Plautia
Josh: I get lots of unfollows, but they usually are included with 10x as many follows. So, maybe pissing off some of your audience some of the time is a good thing?
- Robert Scoble
Following for me is more about volume and value. If there are too many low value posts, I'm going to unfollow. At the moment, you seem to have hit the right balance for me. True, lots of posts, but most are interesting.
- Chris Rogers
I tend to ignore Twitter for the same reasons. Too much noise and hard to get the context. Friendfeed is much better and usually the content is more valuable. Your content onFriendfeed is actually relatively informative. Keep posting.
- Jeremy Chone
There is no perfect amount and you'll never please everyone. I'm typically interested in what you post on FriendFeed and Twitter - I will say that I did prefer them to be separate. Since I follow you on both services - I don't necessarily want to see your FriendFeed items on Twitter.
- Kasey
Isn't Dave the one who always says "If you don't like what I say, just unfollow, but don't slam the door behind you?" hmmm
- Bill Kellogg
with all the filters that Friendfeed has, there is really no need to unfollow anybody
- Nikos Anagnostou
Bill: Dave didn't say anything. I noticed he unfollowed and I asked him why.
- Robert Scoble
There is no right or wrong amount as everyone has different tolerance levels!
- Joe Dawson
I'd like to see the top ff users make a list of the top tricks to use with ff to get it working the way you see best.
- Pete Barry
That's not an accurate quote -- I would never say that, and people, imho have a right to sign off or on at will. Joe Dawson gets it exactly right, you should keep doing what you want and don't worry about people who unfollow. I don't like it when people send a nastygram when they unfollow, and I also don't like to be called out when I unfollow.
- Dave Winer
Re Bill Kellogg, I hope he checks back here. People really pay attention to this stuff. You gotta be more careful with the quotes.(Just read the whole thread, what an embarassment.)
- Dave Winer
Dave, here's the quote: http://friendfeed.com/e... "I stopped following you for the same reason a lot of people stop following me -- you're so prolific! You're half the traffic I'd see on Twitter or FF. I was OD'ing on Scoble! I've already been Scobleized. It's time for other people to get the Treatment."
- Robert Scoble
Dave, oh, I see you're talking about the quote that Bill Kellogg attributed to you. Yeah, I've never seen you say that. As for my part in calling you out when you unfollowed me? I'm sorry, but I think that unfollowing behavior is interesting to study for a whole lot of reasons. This is a public social network and behavior here is fair game, seems to me. Maybe FriendFeed should have a feature where you can block people from seeing whether you are following them or not. Sort of an "invisible follower."
- Robert Scoble
And it was a legitimate question, but I do agree that too many of the commenters got snarky toward you personally and I'm sorry for that.
- Robert Scoble
I had some people unfollow me too for too much posting, honestly I'm not to bothered. Then again I Tweet everything I FF. @Scobleizer I don't think you should worry about too little or too much. You wouldn't be the source of information that you are if you didn't share it. Right?
- Daniel W. Crompton
Why I'm not at the iPhone launch :) http://tastyblogsnack.com/2008...
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The beach looks like more fun. Great picture BTW
- Robert
Great shout out for Leo :)
- Gary Bacon II
Well honestly I'd prefer to be at the beach now yoooo :)
- JCB
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