"Yeah, I keep trying Nokia phones. They suck compared to Android, Palm, or iPhones."
- Robert Scoble
Well, my E71 is a hell of a phone, with a physical keyboard, all the GSM protocols, support for SIP and Skype, support for VPN, synchronization with Exchange, more thant three days of battery with all turned on, video, MMS and a lot of things that where missing in the previous releases of the iPhone. Todays iPhone compare feature for feature and can leverage their great usability...
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- Michele Costabile
It had a crew of 265,675, as well as 52,276 gunners, 607,360 troops, 30,984 stormtroopers, 42,782 ship support staff, and 180,216 pilots and support crew.
- Christopher Harley
I find it a little scary that you would have all that info on hand, Christopher.
- Brent - Loving Life
I make it a point to study fictional space hippies, Brent.
- Christopher Harley
I've wondered that myself, Matt. My particular concern is for the DS-1 janitors who signed on early and hoped to have secured unskilled, living wage, jobs for the rest of their lives.
- Christopher Harley
You're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia-this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
- Matt Mastracci
what energy star rating was it? How about its carbon footprint?
- alphaxion
See what I mean, Matt? Even our own Josh joshes about it. And one can almost hear Ha3rvey's heavy breathing at the thought of wide-scale extermination of DS-1 janitorial personnel. People, please!
- Christopher Harley
They knode the risks when they took that job. "Janitor on an orbiting battle station", my foot.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
Zero emissions, Alpahaxion. Endor served as a fantastic carbon sink for years. Those Ewoks used all their tax credits from the sequestration to fund their drinking and whoring. Depraved creatures, really.
- Christopher Harley
I'm glad we took out DS-2, too. Serves those freakin' ewoks right. I can't believe they tried to get SuperFund money for that.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
"Janitor on an orbiting battle station" Yeah, Ha3rvey, that's what folks have said about a certain emphysemic grandmother I know. She's been raising her meth-addled daughters kids while working two jobs in a smoke laden Vegas casino. Are we gonna let some long-hairs blow that up too? Well I guess we are.
- Christopher Harley
That's interesting about the billions of people on the Death Star but wouldn't a huge portion of it have been automated robotics?
- Justin Long
History is written by the victors, Justin. The numbers I have came to me from rebel histories. They like to play down their atrocities. They're liars.
- Christopher Harley
so, it was the ewok sub-prime carbon racket they had going that eventually brought the empire down? when will they ever learn? Even the collapse of Furry Bros. carbon bank didn't serve as a decent enough wake up call! To big to fail my arse ;)
- alphaxion
Alphaxion, Furry Bros. was never actually dissolved. It was placed in administrative receivership under the guidance of the Wookiee Tarfful when its operations were moved to Kashyyyk. See, the insolvency fix was in from the beginning. But hey, I'm no conspiracy nut. Look it up.
- Christopher Harley
that ain't no moon.. it's a boondoggle!
- alphaxion
Considering they have a empire, why couldn't they just redefine "moon" to included "non-natural battle stations"?
- Matt Mastracci
would they have kept pluto as a planet? would they have promoted our moon to its rightful place as a planet? My bets are people were too scared to say anything to the contrary.
- alphaxion
This is kinda gettin' me all choked up. You see; I'm actually descended from one of the cafeteria ladies on DS-1. I'm gonna go have some quiet time.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher - you need to forget about it. It was a long time ago and very far away.
- Matt Mastracci
What really brought the empire down: the insurance claim that started the first Great Economic Collapse.
- Justin Long
I didn't want to go there, Victor, but someone had to bring that to light. And I'll quote, "Lord Vader and Skywalker were both trained by same guy, Obi Wan Kenobi, whom we have long known has had terrorist sympathies, and all these guys have had contact with Yoda, who, for some reason, despite knowing for a fact that he’s on Dagobah, has still not been apprehended." HELLO?!?
- Christopher Harley
Did they ever get that Tractor Beam fixed? I heard it was recalled by the manufacturer.
- Mike Nencetti
52,276 gunners. And not one of them could shoot for shit. Look at the HUGE target provided by the Millennium Falcon (from top and/or bottom). And don't forget the pube-less farm boy newbie hero wannabe, flying the oh-so-very-stealth (NOT!) X-wing fighter that stumbled into greatness when a prematurely-shot 'load' slipped into a vent shaft that amazingly led right to the heart of the impenetrable fortress of doom, that the jackasses over at the galactic empire hadn't even finished paying off yet!
- Morgan Haley
I now think "* Killer" is a cliche as bad as "* on steroids." When's the last time an anything killer actually killed the target? What's that? Never? OK.
- Dave Slusher
Well that seals it. The next product I make will be tagged as "an * killer on steroids".
- Paul Reynolds
At least, for one side appears. it is something worth fighting for
- RAPatton
from iPhone
The Associated Press is now saying it's a dispute over a car, contradicting with Reuters. Over the rape sounds more likely, though.
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
I was thinking the same thing. Count how many times you said "Cool" Robert ;)
- Andru Edwards
This acquisition is most likely going to suck for users, but congrats to the FF team. Once Google announced Wave, selling to Facebook was probably the only remaining exit strategy worth the money.
- Chip Ramsey
I don't know if i'm excited by the possiblities of this move, or frightened by what this could mean.
- John Czwartacki
I hope they don't spoil it for us. I just want to keep coming to Friendfeed.com
- Mark
If they had no plans of shutting down FriendFeed and rolling features into Facebook they would have said so right away to avoid speculation and to reassure FF users. I am trying not to be suspicious, but I am.
- Inside Alaska
Andru: it was about 100 degrees outside where I was doing the interview. I was trying to think cool and keep my cool. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe now we'll be able to integrate Facebook feed with FF & twitter
- Justin Long
Faceborg...Googlebook...time to move back to StumbleUpon? Guess we should have seen this coming when FriendFeed got integrated into FeedBurner.
- Internet Strategist
This interview is pretty funny... the person interviewing sounds like he just wants to ask questions for the sake of asking questions...;-) ... thanks for the insightful interview but..
- Sherif Mansour
In the interview, it was said that FriendFeed was not in immediate danger and could have continued for a number of years on their own. I'm not quite sure if that is true, because FriendFeed didn't develop their own business model.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
About integrating the social graphs, my social networks on FF and FB had different purposes. I don't have any friends on FB whom I haven't personally met, whereas I subscribe to some people I don't know on FF just because their feeds are interesting. On a related note, the FB graph is undirected and the FF graph is directed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Scobleizer interviews Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed RE acquisition by Facebook.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
"tremendous opportunity" is so vague. Opportunity for who? What opportunity exactly? Or is it just the opportunity to allow the friendfeed employees who weren't already rich to get rich?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: it's every engineer's dream to change the world of 300 million people instead of a few hundred thousand people. That's why this is a tremendous opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh. I guess. It's just very hard to think of Facebook as a life-changing venue.
- Laura Norvig
Robert: Thanks for this - some information at last!
- Jim Connolly
[Update Sun 12:13 pm PT] DDoS attack on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, YouTube, & Google Blogger continues today. 2-pronged attack on pro-Abkhazia activist blogger Cyxymu (34 year-old economics lecturer Georgi from Tblisi, Georgia). Shota Utiashvili, head Dept Info & Analysis, Georgia Ministry of Interior Georgia, told CNN they suspect Russia.
How did a targeted attack against a single user manage to cripple Twitter for almost an entire day? -- Update: Twitter's service provider NTT has turned on anti-DoS stuff, and Twitter is still under attack. Louis Gray provided a very useful link to "Twitter Development Talk" at Google Groups http://groups.google.com/group....
- Mitchell Tsai
As spam goes, the emails looked benign enough. One of them carried the subject "Visit my blog" and contained the words "thanks for looking at my blog" in the body. They contained respective links to Cyxymu's accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, YouTube, and Google's Blogger, all of which also reported receiving abnormal amounts of traffic on Thursday. Max Kelly, chief security officer at Facebook, reported this to CNet.
- Mitchell Tsai
According to Bill Woodcock http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... of Packet Clearing House (a nonprofit organization tracking Internet traffic), the attack wasn’t a traditional DDoS attack using automated bots, but one conducted through a wave of spam email messages that hit Twitter, LiveJournal, and other websites. "This was not like a botnet-style DDoS," Woodcock told The...
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- Mitchell Tsai
CNET (4:32 pm PDT) seems to be the main source of this story, which travelled to The Register (12:49 am GMT = 4:49 pm PDT), AP (6:37 pm PDT), and SF Gate (6:55 pm PDT). Not sure if there's independent confirmation of this theory, however, each article has different details, so perhaps Bill Woodcock gave a press conference? [Update 9:18 pm PDT] New York Times http://ff.im/6gOIZ and Mashable http://ff.im/6gOvv are also carrying this story now.
- Mitchell Tsai
Great job tracking this Mitchell. Appreciate all the work you are doing to help sort through the noise.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Brian - USA Today posted something 44 min ago, but they are way behind the news. It's a fun issue to observe - watching media (both traditional and internet) scramble with theories (good & bad), news (better & worse), past history (hopefully fun & insightful) and information (interesting, insightful, or boring). See this chart of the stories Google News has been tracking. http://ff.im/6gSHm
- Mitchell Tsai
It's fascinating to see how quickly (dis)information spreads through mainstream and socnet channels these days. Your attempt at tracking and capturing the timing and flow is impressive. Would be amazing to put some kind of real time visualizaiton together to track the flow... ala digg swarm style http://labs.digg.com/swarm
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Except the CNEt article is saying it wasn't, or at least the facebook person quoted says it wasn't
- Richard Lawler
Richard: I'm still wary of this "theory" and story, because there's no 2nd/3rd party confirmation aside from the CNet article. Until Facebook, Twitter, or someone confirms it - who knows? However, this manual DDoS could explain why the attack is so hard to stop. It's just people opening their e-mail or reading Twitter stuff & clicking on links, and all over the world people are still...
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- Mitchell Tsai
But it came from Facebook. No matter how many emails we're talking about, I really don't see someone being able to generate that kind of traffic consistently enough to DOS any large site.
- Richard Lawler
Mitchell I know companies like Yahoo keep access stats of all types for just this purpose and are able to use this information to stop attacks. I would think the sites mentioned would also have that ability which is why I'm skeptical of the story.
- Todd Hoff
Has this effected anyone elses ability to use their cell phone? I am subscribed to one Twitter user's updates (unrelated to any of this). Twitter is sending me repeat text alerts about one of that user's updates from yesterday every 2-3 minutes. I still can not log-in to Tweetdeck or Twitter itself to unsubscribe as of 11:46 pm MT.
- E-Advocate Network
Jeff - Perhaps this is why Twitter was the only site to have more serious problems? I don't know. I started seeing unusual Facebook problems http://ff.im/6fUfO ("database write errors" in addition to the usual "slow access" and "AJAX delivery problems") 1-3 am (about 3-5 hrs before the reported attack), so the story is really incomplete for me. Ryan Siegel of Wired has the "crazy guy"...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Washington Post (9:57 pm PDT) is playing it safe http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn... and offers no theories - even though it's 4.5 hrs after the CNet story. Apparently they are worried about the CNet theory, unlike AP & New York Times which were happy to pick it the story.
- Mitchell Tsai
CNet just published a new article "FAQ: The ins and outs of DoS attacks" (11:00 pm PDT) http://ff.im/6h0XN which states that Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and Google's Blogger and YouTube worked together to investigate the attacks and discovered that Cyxymu was the common thread linking the sites. An investigation is pending into who launched the attack and why.
- Mitchell Tsai
Pete Cashmore at Mashable (8/7/09) just posted "Twitter and Facebook DDoS Attacks Targeted One Man" http://ff.im/6h73D no new info.
- Mitchell Tsai
Wall Street Journal article "Twitter, Facebook Sites Disrupted by Web Attack" (8/7/09) contains [Fox News Video] Personal Technology columnist Walt Mossberg explains why denial-of-service attacks like the one crippling Twitter need more aggressive policing and penalties. http://ff.im/6hbu6 They add nothing new, and obfuscate names/info. "Facebook Inc. and Twitter Inc. were working...
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- Mitchell Tsai
BBC has a new theory. (8/7/09 1:59 am PDT) http://ff.im/6hfcf Some unconfirmed reports have suggested that it was not a DOS attack but the result of a spam campaign containing links to Cyxymu's web pages on the various affected services. But Mr Cluley said he didn't think that was a likely scenario. "Most people wouldn't have bothered clicking on the link," he wrote. "However, I think...
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- Mitchell Tsai
"Russians launched Twitter attack to hit Georgian blogger Cyxymu" [Mike Harvey, Times Online - 8/7/09 2:00 AM PDT] http://ff.im/6hgbe It was not clear how the spam e-mails were related to the denial of service attacks but a spokesman for Facebook said they could not have brought sites down on their own.
- Mitchell Tsai
"Cyxymu DDoS denies Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal service" [Richi Jennings, Computerworld Blogs - 8/7/09 3:00 am PDT] http://ff.im/6hhIy Richi summarizes and links to 7 different points of view.
- Mitchell Tsai
Lets not let the Twitter Zombies off the hook! I think bots played a role. I hope they can't reboot 'em up for days. Twitter is running so nice and clean. Just Twitfolk on my stream rite now!
- ZuDfunck
Attack on Twitter Came in Two Waves [Jenna Wortham, New York Times - 8/7/09 11:08 am PDT] http://ff.im/6j7Zi The meltdown that left 45 million Twitter users unable to access the service on Thursday came in two waves. The assault was two-pronged, said Beth Jones, a security analyst with Internet security firm Sophos. (1) Early Thursday, the attackers sent out a wave of spam in the name...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Targeted Twitter user blames Russia [Elinor Mills, CNET - 8/7/09 1:28 pm PDT] http://ff.im/6j8i9 Cyxymu is identified as a 34-year-old economics lecturer named Georgy from Tblisi, Georgia, by The Guardian. His blog postings are critical of Russia's dealings with the Caucasus region and his screen name is a Latinized version of the spelling of Sukhumi, the capital of Abkhazia, a breakaway Georgian republic.
- Mitchell Tsai
The Georgian government is investigating potential links between its citizen and the attacks, and there are suspicions that the attack came from Russia, Shota Utiashvili, head of the Department of Information and Analysis at the Ministry of the Interior, told CNN. Whoever was behind the attack may also be responsible for a spam e-mail campaign launched before the DDoS attack and...
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- Mitchell Tsai
The attack against Twitter still continues today (Friday). - See "DDOS attack slammed Twitter with 20 times normal traffic volume" [David Sarno, Los Angeles Times - 8/7/09 6:04 pm EDT] http://ff.im/6j9fn Michael Wheeler, vice president of NTT America's Global IP Network, Twitter's Internet service provider, confirmed that the DDOS attack against Twitter has continued today, with huge...
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- Mitchell Tsai
New York Times (8/7/09 6:48 pm PDT) just picked up the 2-pronged attack theory. http://ff.im/6jax9 Cyxymu is a Latin transliteration of the Cyrillic name of the capital of Abkhazia, Sukhumi. Giorgi says he taught at Sukhumi State University. He is a refugee from the Abkhazia region, a territory on the Black Sea disputed between Russia and Georgia. Giorgi said his pages were providing a...
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- Mitchell Tsai
AP (8/7/09 7:34 pm PDT) also published the 2-prong attack theory 40 min ago. http://ff.im/6jg6l After the attacks on Twitter started, NTT (Twitter's service provider) turned on a technology that protects against denial of service attacks. The problem is it slows down access to the site. "It's still under attack," he said. "If we turned that stuff off, the Twitter site could go down immediately, to be quite honest."
- Mitchell Tsai
New York Times reworked their 6:48 pm article - new title, added a picture, didn't appear to add any new info (that I can recall) "Professor Main Target of Assault on Twitter" [Jenna Wortham & Andrew Kramer, New York Times - 8/7/09 ~7:45 pm PDT] http://ff.im/6jjsD Unfortunately, once NY Times reworks an article, the old article link points to the new article, so I can't make a diff.
- Mitchell Tsai
"Twitter fights off attacks to silence blogger" [Benny Evangelista & Alejandro Martinez-Cabrera, SF Gate - 8/7/09 8:11 pm PDT] http://ff.im/6jj9b Bill Woodcock said the offensive started as a barrage of spam messages sent between 6:04 and 7:45 a.m. - which overwhelmed social networking Web sites as e-mail users followed the misleading links. Around 10 a.m. the attack shifted to a more...
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- Mitchell Tsai
"App Developers Stung by Twitter's DOS Woes" [Juan Carlos Perez, PC World - 8/7/09 3:40 pm PDT] http://ff.im/6jrbB offers some comments from Twitter and Google's Blogger about their defenses during the ongoing attacks.
- Mitchell Tsai
Twitter's Chad Etzel (8/7/09 8:20 pm PT) (1) The DDoS attack is still ongoing, and the intensity has not decreased at all. Because of this, interaction with the site and with the API will continue to be shaky due to the defenses that have been put in place by our Ops team. (2) Whitelisted IPs that have a restricted rate-limit is a *known issue,* and we are still working on restoring...
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- Mitchell Tsai
This is not related to the current situation, but this article (http://www.internetnews.com/dev-new...) dates back in 2002 when there was a massive DDOS attack on the DNS root servers. At the end of the article, it mentions two links to RFC for mitigation - RFC2827 and RFC3013.
- imabonehead
Thanks James. We used to discuss DoS attacks in our operating systems lab at UCLA 1994-2000. Same old, same old. :-( I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. As long as a DDoS varies it's speed of attack unpredictably, it's very hard to stop. Just mimic normal traffic & you are very hard to stop. Holding open connections is potentially more damaging. Here's the wikipedia article on DoS attacks http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Mitchell Tsai
DoS Defense: (1) SANS (8/21/03 white paper) http://sans.org/reading... (2) US-CERT (6/4/01 no longer maintained) http://cert.org/tech_ti... - The SANS paper is more informative, but still 6 years old. Does anyone have more recent information about state-of-the-art DDoS defenses? I'm 8 years out-of-date.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks James. I read that one yesterday [Elnor Mills, CNet - 8/6/09 11:00 pm PDT] http://ff.im/6h0XN It's a high-level article. More details would be nice. "In 2001, the White House was able to thwart a DDoS attack that was programmed into the code of the Code Red virus by moving the site away from the targeted IP address. And in 2005, Microsoft sidestepped a DDoS that was going to be...
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- Mitchell Tsai
Georgian blogger Cyxymu blames Russia for cyber attack [Tom Parfitt, Guardian - 8/7/09 13:37 BST = 5:37 am PDT] http://ff.im/6jR9X Cyxymu said he had started his blog as a way to unite ethnic Georgians who lived in Sukhumi but were forced to leave as refugees in 1993 when Abkhazia seceded from Georgia. "When the war started in South Ossetia last year I couldn't avoid being drawn into...
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- Mitchell Tsai
DDOS Attackers Continue Hitting Twitter, Facebook, Google - Business Center [Juan Carlos Perez, PC World - 8/8/09 7:50 am PDT] http://ff.im/6knHU No new stuff, but PC World put Louis Gray's info about the Google Groups on the mainstream press.
- Mitchell Tsai
No updates from Twitter at Google Groups in the last 18.5 hrs since Fri 8:20 pm PDT. Their communication skills stink! As Dewald Pretorius says on Google Groups "The silence is deafening....tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock tick tock"...
- Mitchell Tsai
[Sun 8/9/09 12:13 pm PDT] Ryan Sarver (Twitter) *Finally* have what we hope is good news for everyone. As of about 10 minutes ago we have been able to restore critical parts of API operation that should have great affect on your apps. As such, most of your apps should begin to function normally again. I have tested a few OAuth apps and they seem to be working as expected. http://groups.google.com/group...
- Mitchell Tsai
[Sun 8/9/09 00:51 UTC] Nice insights at "Georgia, Russia: Cyber Attacks on Blogger ‘Cyxymu’" [Veronica Khokhlova, Global Voices Online - 8/9/09] http://ff.im/6pCX3 The day before yesterday cyxymu was known to no more than ten thousand people. Today he is known to - what's the audience of the world media? 500 million? A billion? And most of these people sympathize with him - people do tend to sympathize with victims of mass persecution.
- Mitchell Tsai
Ostap Karmodi wrote http://karmodi.com/ostap... The result of yesterday's attack is that cyxymu, so disliked by some hackers, has become known to the whole world. The Spanish El Pais has written about him, and the French Liberation, and the German Spiegel, and the British Guardian, and the American Washington Post, and the Japanese Yomiuri. In short, all the main papers of the world....
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- Mitchell Tsai
Justin - I think Intense Debate is a fine product but they don't excel at extending and gathering conversations.
- Keith - @tsudo
Apostol - You've identified my major issue with Facebook. It is a one way street leading to a walled garden
- Keith - @tsudo
I've tried all three of these. I found Disqus incredibly difficult to use and set up, and Intense Debate marginally less so. But the problem with both of these is that really, your comments are no longer your own. That is to say, when somebody comments on your blog post using these two comment systems, the comments are not on your site anymore, they're on this third parties site. Sure,...
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- Otto
Honestly I've never gotten this control issue. My website sits on server that doesn't reside in my home or use my internet connection. My email, my RSS, everything is relying on someoneelse's system. I just don't get the mindset of hoarding comments. The reward for using one of the platforms is just to great to miss
- Keith - @tsudo
Yes, my email and my website and everything else is indeed relying on somebody else's system. I pay them for that service, in fact. However, my content remains under my control. Comments I display on my sites are my content as well. Why would I want to give up any form of control over them for some "bling" that in the end doesn't seem all that useful. Better to take the useful bits I do find and reproduce them on my own site.
- Otto
I don't really see the comment's as my property. If anyone property they are that of the person who left the comment.
- Keith - @tsudo
What is the down side of releasing control when there is so much to gain?
- Keith - @tsudo
It's not about "property". It's about control over what I display and where my working data resides. Why should I trust a company with my data? Why should I trust these companies with my data? Why should I give them that trust in exchange for just minor bits of functionality?
- Otto
So much? No, I see it as so little, actually. What these services provide is minor functionality, at best. With just a few hours work, one could replicate the best parts he's discussing on their own site with minimal effort. Facebook Connect, Twitter integration, FriendFeed, etc, these can be easily done without that type of thing. If you run a common blog platform like WordPress, there's plugins for that.
- Otto
Ok, well I guess I'll just have to agree to disagree. I'm a big fan of Disqus and different opinions make the world go round. Thanks for conversation
- Keith - @tsudo
Side note: If you were using BackType Connect, this conversation we're having right here, on FriendFeed, would show up on your site. Discus and Intense Debate can't do that.
- Otto
Samuel, that's not true. Disqus would show it on your site.
- Admiral Anika
Anika: Well, it's not working then, because this conversation is not showing up on his site.
- Otto
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about comments not being on your site. IntenseDebate automatically mirrors the comments back to your wordpress blog so that if you should disable it, all your comments are there. I think Disqus does the same thing, because when I moved from Disqus to ID all of the comments on my blog were automatically migrated to ID.
- Justin Long
How does the new Echo platform from the JS-Kit people compare to Disqus or Intense Debate? I'm interested in getting one of those integrated with my blog soon.
- Travis B. Hartwell
@Justin Long: Yes, they do, but the problem with that is that the functionality to do that mirroring is buggy as all hell. Last time I tried Disqus, I ended up with a horked up database that had to be manually repaired (not to mention that it duplicated every single comment on the site). Intense Debate has had similar problems. The fact that it has to mirror the comments at all is the main problem, the comments should not need mirroring. Let them live where they belong: on the site itself.
- Otto
Samuel - I realize things go fubar but I've never had any trouble with Disqus and comment mirroring. Perhaps it was the exception and not the rule. Good point Justin
- Keith - @tsudo
" Regular expressions are a language of their own. When you learn a new programming language, they're this little sub-language that makes no sense at first glance. Many times you have to read another tutorial, article, or book just to understand the "simple" pattern described. "
- Nicholas Kreidberg
from Bookmarklet
Hmm. Some of these seem more than a bit useless. I try to always remember jwz's famous line: "Some people, when confronted with a problem, think 'I know, I'll use regular expressions.' Now they have two problems."
- Otto
Samuel, jwz's line is so true, but there's something satisfying about a well-constructed regex that compells me to use them. That Skype chat on Mac OS X allows editing of last comment I've made via "s/pat/rep/" (sed/vi style) makes it awesome in my view.
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
"Mark: I have, but I've learned by watching Leo Laporte (who is responsible for getting a lot of the early adopters onto Twitter in the first place) that people don't move easily once they've started pouring their life into something. I don't think there's anything Twitter can do now to slow its growth. Me neither. :-)"
- Robert Scoble
The value of moving has to be greater than the value of staying. Or, the perceived lack of value of moving probably has to be greater than any irritations in staying. For example, if Twitter were constantly down to due to DDoS or constantly being spammed without any effective controls.
- Justin Long
I guess I just have so much lower expectations from twitter and friendfeed and the like. Nothing is forever.
- Phil Calvin
Justin: Twitter was constantly down in 2007 and 2008 and we didn't leave even though there were other (and some good, like Pownce) alternatives. I don't believe Twitter will be stopped, even by its own management (or lack thereof) at this point. So, they might as well keep treating developers and users like crap.
- Robert Scoble
I think you're wrong Robert, and I think you would have said the same thing about MySpace 5 years ago... all those scares about pedophiles, and STILL people just kept signing up -- until they didn't.
- Joel Bennett
Shari: I still haven't been able to move away from Twitter and until that happens Tam is wrong. Even though Tam is right. :-) Looking forward to the day when I can leave Twitter behind.
- Robert Scoble
@robert maybe in less then a year or two. I think that google voice have a lot to offer.
- abdellah
Probably the small outages here and there weren't painful enough to cause people to leave. They just temporarily migrated. I would guess it would have to be a number of long significant outages. I think you're right, though. There's enough people on Twitter that I doubt it's going to fold. But I wonder how long they can run it with no income stream?? How do they monetize it? How do they pay for the servers etc?
- Justin Long
Justin: I see a TON of ways to monetize. Heck, I'd pay for decent DMs. Flickr has proven I'll pay for search. I'd pay for a ton of features. And I see a TON of advertising models that could be used.
- Robert Scoble
True, I guess I wasn't thinking this morning of professional features; I was wondering how they would do advertising.
- Justin Long
i do wish they'd return the friend-of-a-friend replies to twitter though I also wish Friendfeed would do threaded discussions. and favoriting comments.
- Justin Long
One of my big fears in joining Google long after they had already become a success was that I'd find a mature company that was unwilling to do big audacious things and risk failing at them. With products like Wave I'm so pleased to find that those fears were unfounded. The company is still quite nuts sometimes.
- DeWitt Clinton
I think there's selection bias here. There web and internet, as they exist today depend on interoperability of several complex protocols and standards: TCP/IP, DNS, HTTP, HTML, CSS, Javascript, SMTP, IMAP, compression codecs, SSL/TLS cryptography. The client side implementations of all of these have to be near perfect for things to work acceptable, yet they are not weekend projects for...
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- Ray Cromwell
That is, I don't think the Wave Protocol is targeted at people writing RSS emitters and parsers, anymore than IMAP is targeted at them. The Wave Protocol forms a lower layer. The application layers on top (gadgets, robot libraries) provide a much simpler abstraction to developers who want to build services and applications rapidly.
- Ray Cromwell
@Ray - Not to play weekend arm-chair protocol quarterback or anything, but I'm actually among those who would have liked to have seen the Wave protocol built out of Atom/AtomPub/HTML, rather than XMPP/etc, for exactly the reasons that Anil talks about. I understand the rationale behind the current choices, however, and don't think it will make that much difference in the end.
- DeWitt Clinton
It may be audacious but it's also not trying too hard. I asked for a test account, filled out an application and everything, and never heard back. Maybe I didn't grovel enough.
- Dave Winer
IMHO it's a mistake to always choose the path of least resistance, it makes it hard to usher in fundamental improvements when a radical departure approach is sometimes needed. We've reached a point where people want to build everything and anything HTTP+RSS/Atom now. Unless building Wave on Atom solved a fundamental problem, without introducing others, I don't see the justification. The...
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- Ray Cromwell
Yes, Dave. We're hiding it from you specifically. : ) Seriously though, lots (on the order of more marbles than would fit in a subaru forrester) of people asked for an invite. They're going to start going out in earnest in the next month or two. But I'll add you to our developer list and try and get you in earlier.
- DeWitt Clinton
DeWitt can you also add me shakeel.mahate@gmail.com to the developer list? Thanks
- Shakeel Mahate
Am I the only one who _doesn't_ think the wave UI is "slick"? I admire the technology, but to be honest using it feels more like Outlook than Gmail, and that's not good. Sometimes it feels like a set of brilliant, innovative features without corresponding higher level innovations. Eg - subscribe to wave-discuss, and then see how quickly your inbox becomes useless. Eventually you figure out how to create a filter & archive, but thats the area that needs innovation (IMHO, of course),
- Nick Lothian
@Nick: I think there's a lot of work remaining to be done on managing the inbox, large waves, and so forth. This was, and remains, a problem with email as well (subscribe to some high-traffic mailing lists, without filtering your inbox, and see how fast it becomes useless in Gmail or Outlook). I understand that the team is acutely aware of this, and are continuing to work on the problem (I suspect this is one of the reasons that they're rolling it out slowly).
- Joel Webber
I think Ray's 100% right on this -- comparing the underlying wave protocols with protocols like RSS is entirely inappropriate. Things like XMPP *are* complex, because they solve a complex problem. As Ray points out, the web wouldn't be better if someone tried to "simplify" TCP/IP -- it just wouldn't work. And just like with TCP, they are creating an open implementation of the protocols for everyone to start from. That's the only way to bootstrap something like this.
- Joel Webber
I put up my take on Wave earlier. Not impressed. http://is.gd/283ph Anyone who thinks Wave will replace e-mail is as delusional as the people who think Chrome will replace Windows.
- Tom Morris
@Tony keep in mind, wave is a federated protocol, so just like IMAP and IRC you can have oodles of different clients in the future. Don't like google's UI? Some will do a native C++ version with a different UI. If you judged email solely on Microsoft's client, or hotmail's UI , it wouldn't be an accurate picture either.
- Ray Cromwell
from Nambu
@Tom - I'm not sure its as bad as all that. I think it would have been better marketed (at first) as a sharepoint competitor, which makes it infinitely better.
- Nick Lothian
@Joel, yeah, I get that. I'd have liked to see some more focus on those core problems rather than the technology and toys. Eg: in the wave video, the things which impress people the most are Rosy & Spelly - neither of which really revolutionize communication.
- Nick Lothian
I guess you could summarize my stance as agnostic. But sometimes it's like an argument about Schrödinger's cat. The religious argue vehemently that the cat is alive. The atheists argue vociferously that the cat is dead. But I just think you can't possibly know. It's just indeterminate. And it seems absurd to argue about something that has no answer
I keep toggling between agnostic and atheist myself; the fact is that I am not religious, I have no religous background whatsoever. And I like cats :-)
- Rene Wirtz
I sometimes feel like saying I'm an agnostic pagan, but I'm sure that would offend someone somewhere. I believe what I believe, and those beliefs are precious to me, but I own the fact that I don't KNOW anything, and don't think anyone else KNOWS anything more than I do.
- Alix Whitmire
@Lindsey: I agree. But, there are some religious peole who claim that only religious peple are decent (have morals).
- Rene Wirtz
I definitely respect your position, and am somewhere in between agnostic and atheist.
- Stephen Mack
What's really interesting to me in that report is that while 16% of the U.S. now reports themselves as not affiliated, only 1.6% describe themselves as atheist and 2.4% describe themselves as agnostic. The other 12.1% are just "nothing."
- Stephen Mack
For me religion is community gathering. Spiritually, I'm probably in the same boat. I'm just glad I didn't grow up with rules or feeling guilty like others have in other religions.
- Rodfather
I'm an atheist (in some cases anti-theist, but not one of those mean ones) because I see no point in being wishy washy about what I believe. Yeah, maybe there's no point in trying to argue an unanswerable question, but I find religious belief and lack there of to have important affects on the rest of a persons life. I think socially it's less acceptable to be atheist, and I kind of like that. (Lindsey, I would only agree with b.)
- Heather
Mr. Mage says I'm agnostic. Can't get on board with a Being Who knows everything, but punishes me for something other people did, then says "Love Me or suffer eternal torment." If you know everything, then you simply ought to know better.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Heather, yeah, I can see how being agnostic seems like sitting on the fence, but I don't think that believing that an answer is indeterminate is wishy-washy. For one thing, that's how physics and logic actually seem to work. There are simply things that are true that cannot be proven to be true, and things that are false that can't be proven to be false. But then again, maybe I'm just jealous of people who have that kind of certainty.
- Victor Ganata
@Lindsay: ugh, ain't that the truth. Fred Phelps and his ilk are some of the most indecent people that have ever lived. And they are cowards too, hiding behing religion. But sometimes I think it is not as much the religion that drives them but their need for litigation.
- Rene Wirtz
I'm sorry, I didn't mean agnosticism in general is wishy-washy. I mean that I may not think there's a point to the debate and that there may not be any way to know one way or the other, but I like to clearly define myself to people (and myself) as a non-believer. Also, the statement "there are no white crows" is by nature unable to be confirmed, but I'm pretty comfortable saying it.
- Heather
I like the Schrodinger analogy a lot! My views on this are currently evolving (again, lol) but basically I'm agnostic as to whether there's a force greater than myself, but atheist with regards to the gods described in current major religions. While I can concede that there could be some sort of creator, if there is I don't think the current organized systems of dogma are worshiping it....
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- Lo
Somehow I missed this thread but it has great replies. My view is agnostic as well but if I was forced to lean on a side, it would be atheist. Most mainstream religions came from 2000+ years ago. How could you NOT challenge things such as books and beliefs from that far back? So many other thoughts from that time have been disproven and science has given us deeper views of humans, the...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Yes, we can never be certain of the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster or the Ceiling Cat...
- Jemm
Great replies. I'm personally a believer but I appreciate the civility between the respondents here !
- Justin Long
I am an Independent voter when it comes to the god question. Whenever there's an election, I take a fresh look at all the candidates, close the curtain and pull a lever. ; >
- Thom Kennon
BTW 12.1% unaffiliated are not "just nothing" :) It means they claim to believe, but they are not aligned with one particular church. They may be in between churches, they may have recently disaffiliated from a church over some issue, who knows... but that's not the same as "agnostic/nonreligious" or "atheist"
- Justin Long
born and raised atheist. strident atheist for a long time. till something changed. in a flash i saw the human arrogance... if "we" have not seen it or proved it, it therefore cannot/does not exist. !!! and also it became clear in a cellular totality of belief that certainly, of COURSE there is something more going on here than meets the eye.
- constance taft
It's just easier to say that unicorns, leprechauns, gods, vampires, flying spaghetti monsters or werewolves don't exist. Being agnostic is just wasting time.
- Paul Grav
It was actually physics and mathematics that made me realize we can't prove anything with complete certainty. As the creator of quantum chromodynamics Murray Gell-Mann supposedly once stated, "Everything which is not forbidden, is compulsory." Who really knows what is or isn't out there in this quite possibly infinite universe?
- Victor Ganata
Back to Victor's initial post, I do think the arguing would disappear if people stopped using the cat as a justification for wars or laws they want. Few people care to argue pure metaphysics.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
@Constance, I really like what you said. After finally giving in and labeling myself atheist, I got involved with various atheist communities, but was repeatedly confronted with the same dilemma. The notion that we can make objective & certain statements about the nature of the universe is absurd.
- Lo
Lo: Which is exactly why I fall under agnostic. Being an Atheist is making a certain statement about things that are still not proven one way or another. Though I have very high doubt, I can't prove or disprove it. But my life is the same no matter what is the right answer.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Mark, I'd agree but it goes a little further than just the "god? no god?" question. I've heard supposedly rational atheists make repeated claims that are unsupported by fact. Such as "you don't need faith to be happy!" One person not needing faith to be happy is not proof that the same is true for other people. And recent research seems to suggest that spirituality has roots in...
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- Lo
I don't hear many pre-birth experiences of a pre-life so why would there be an after-life? Not one of the major Judeo-Christian religions to my knowledge tackles this. Why? Death is what people fear and they seek any crazy idea to make sense of it. What ever works for people, but the entire concept is irrational. Why would having Zeus, Athena, Apollo and the rest of the gods be any...
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- Jim Goldstein
Heh, but there are plenty of Eastern religions that deal with pre-birth/pre-life. Doesn't the conscious rejection of the existence of God also provide atheists peace of mind and mental clarity? I'll be honest, I don't think any of the monotheistic faiths have it right, but I do suspect there is quite a bit this universe that we have absolutely no clue about. All those religious claims...
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- Victor Ganata
I'm an agnostic atheist. Agnosticism (skepticism) is the tool I used to arrive at the conclusion of atheism as regards theistic belief.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Umm.... If it's lasted 90 minutes, I would think it no longer qualifies as 'breaking news'.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Thanks for sharing. I'm here in FriendFeed wondering why it is all so quiet :)
- Hector
Tina: You want us to post every minute Twitter goes down? You'd be flooded! :)
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
BNO: lol. nice one. and thanks for still posting on FF and not just sticking to via the twitter mode.
- Freddie Benjamin
Answer the BreakingNews Robot, Tina! DO IT OR IT WILL CRASH FRIENDFEED LIKE IT DID TWITTER!
- Christopher Harley
Certainly not BNO. But the Twitter/FB/Posterous outage has been posted multiple times by multiple people all morning, so adding your own post 1.5 hours after the fact just didn't strike me as 'breaking news'. That's all.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You can still read tweets on Twitter about Twitter being down: http://bit.ly/lA7HK
- Gus
No wonder!! I kept trying to load the page to no avail. Maybe I'll actually get some work done :-)
- Silvana Felix
from iPod
TechCrunch Update 3: Work productivity surges around the world.
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
I guess this should be --> BrokenNews: 'Twitter is broke'.
- 1x29
How about the biggest beneficiary of the Twitter DoS will be --- FF!
- Thom Kennon
Facebook seems to be experiencing some difficulties as well. A link perhaps?
- Ian Geldard
As soon as Twitter's status blog confirmed the DoS attack, my first destination was FriendFeed. This just confirms that the value of microblogging isn't in one service like Twitter or FF, it's in having a network of interconnected services.
- Jayson Elliot
Twitter API is working again, web is still offline. We use our own panel to update to Twitter and it said my message was posted: "The social networking site Twitter says it is recovering from a major cyber attack, taking the popular site offline for more than 2 hours.". Didn't go through to Friendfeed though.
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
Thank goodness for FriendFeed, I can still get my BNO News updates!
- Colin Schmitt
Still nothing here. Neither from web nor API... :'(
- Clément
OMG what am I gonna do! Somebody get me a paper bag!
- okorioth
Twitter addicts are probably refreshing twitter.com every 5 seconds, putting another load on the server which keeps it from getting back online :)
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
I can live without it, for two reasons - a) I know no one is posting anything right now anyway, and b) I'm on FriendFeed.
- Mike White
Ohhhh. You are not going to believe this. It's breaking news on the AFP news wire!
- BreakingNewsOn (MSNBC)
i just had a piece published by Huffington Post and this outage disturbs my ability to share my post with my followers and the community at large ;((( if anyone is interested..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zachary...
- Zachary Adam Cohen
you can tweet it later Zachary, don't worry.
- Mike White
They should unplug the servers from internet and then fix them... :)
- S6.
God makes it's own money, food, water, consumer electronics, etc. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
God doesn't do responsibility. To be a God is to be a narcissist and therefore everything that happens that you don't like, never really happened then.
- Uncle CW™
I used to have that entire speech posted online somewhere
- Nine
"With great power comes great responsibility"? :)
- Jemm
"Thai Mango Sticky Sweet Rice Dessert (Khao Niaow Ma Muang)is an absolute must try! This recipe is foolproof and even budding chefs with two left hands come off smelling mango sweet. This easy Thai dessert starts with Thai sweet rice (also called sticky rice) which is surrounded by a "bath" of coconut milk, then topped with slices of fresh (or frozen) mango. If you like mangos, you're going to love this very simple but tropical dessert. Mmmmm!"
- Melissa
from Bookmarklet
Wow I really thought this was some sort of remix of a fried rice recipe, i wonder what mangos would be like in fried rice rather in this probably very delicious dessert
- Wang Yip
Wang, its a delicious combination. I kept the container in our fridge here at work. Then when I was ready to eat it - I kept the chilled mangos separate and warmed up the sticky rice. Taste explosions :)
- Melissa
I have mangos. I will have to try this once they ripen.
- Anna Lynn M.
I bet my kids would love this. They're both mango addicts.
- ha3rvey (Ho)^3
"Axiom: Any technical group of sufficient size and activity will spontaneously generate its very own sociopath. " -Joe Gregorio (via Sam Ruby http://intertwingly.net/blog...)
- DeWitt Clinton
"Corollary: If you scan the list and can't spot the sociopath, it's you." -Mark Pilgrim
- DeWitt Clinton