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As controversial as (apparently) this is, my reality is pretty cool and doesn't need augmenting to be more so.
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I know.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Without augmented reality you're missing just how cool your reality really is.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'm comfortable in myself with not knowing everything.
- Johnny
from iPhone
I'm a child of the 60's I augmented my reality pretty well already #thatwouldbetheanalogversion
- WarLord
I doubt you'd be if you knew what those potato chips could really taste like.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
As we approach the notion of an always connected life, the likely benefits are increased earnings, better health outcomes and higher productivity. You'll notice that increased happiness is not a likely benefit, at least not in my opinion. When I talked about getting "left behind", it needs to be understood in this context.
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This is, I think, a big reason why many will willingly choose the other path.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
People don't understand balance. Money is less important to me than happiness. Health outcomes come in different forms, some with which I agree, many that I do not because they affect happiness of an individual or a group of individuals. Higher productivity at this point is largely pointless, as survival needs have been met for the general populations of the world (not saying it's...
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- Jimminy IS Everybody
There are a growing number of devices, Johnny, that monitor various data points about our health. One example is sleep behaviors. If people who use these devices are able to use them to get better sleep health, for example, it will definitely give them a gain to health.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Jimminy, if you don't think you would use a smartphone if you had one, you can't really say that you grok why smartphones are so useful. If you grokked it, you'd have one.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
It's ok to say "I don't think that smartphones are all that useful" and be done with the conversation. And don't conflate "grokk" with "intellectual understanding of how something works".
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
As usual, disappointment awaits you.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Alex, if I had one yes I would, that's almost tautological. I choose not to have one, because I have no need. I don't say they aren't useful, they are, but they aren't necessary and I don't really need one to do anything I couldn't do through other means. Meanwhile, I have to make other trade-offs in privacy, monetarially, and through personal and social annoyances.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Saying you have to have a smartphone to get through life, is like saying well all those people in 1990 didn't know how to live. Poor people without smartphones, there life was so miserable.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Alex, I'm not conflating anything. I get it, I honestly do, but I don't need it or want it. There are absolutely occasions where I wish I had one, but it's only a matter of convenience. And the negatives outweigh the positives for me.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Except, I never said that having a smartphone is necessary to get through life. I think you are arguing here for the sake of arguing at this point. You don't want to be labeled as "left behind", except, as is often the case, none of this really has anything to do with you.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I look forward to the day where my body is covered in sensors collecting data about how I'm sitting on my ass eating potato chips. People know how bad smoking is for them yet still do it. Access to better health information doesn't automatically lead to better health. People are the random element :)
- Johnny
from iPhone
Alex, I responded directly to your questions. If that is arguing, okay.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Performance enhancing drugs aren't necessary for riding a bike, but they are necessary if you want to win the Tour de France. That's what getting "left behind" is like. If you are ok with riding a bike at your pace, that's great, more power to you, but if your goal is to win the Tour de France, you aren't going to do it without PEDs.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Johnny, pointing to the possible negatives/misuses of technology is not somehow going to invalidate what I said. It's like you guys are purposefully skipping over the word "likely" in order to pretend that I'm saying some grand Scoble edict from on high such as "This is the way it will be!".
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes, that's how I consider being "left behind". It's a seemingly insurmountable hindrance. I do not see not having smartphones, Google Glass, Television, and numerous other things as an insurmountable hindrance. More novelties of convenience. Also what exactly are you trying to win. Life isn't a competition unless you want it to be, in which case just keep trying to keep up with Mr. & Mrs. Jones.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Isn't it obvious that I'm trying to win the 2013 friendfeed popularity contest?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"Grok" has one "k".
- Tinfoil 2.0
An always-connected life is not a desired outcome in any forseeable scenario, especially where there are significant power imbalances in society. Unless or until you solve that problem, "connection" and its consequences will be used by the more powerful against the less powerful. Sure, they'll toss you some bread and circuses along the way, but in general, people will be working harder, longer, and have less to show for it. It's a Brave New World.
- Tinfoil 2.0
In the not too distant, you will measure friendship even power by peoples willingness to unplug and meet you face to face... #gibsonprobablydaiditbetter
- WarLord
Bush Used the IRS, FBI, CIA and Secret Service to Go After Opponents -- Where Was the Fox and GOP Outrage? | Alternet - http://www.alternet.org/bush-us...
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"As your kindergarten teacher probably told you, two wrongs do not make a right. But the discrepancy in reactions to wrongs does, indeed, show how Washington so often serves the interests of the political right."
- Andrew C (✓)
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"However, there's just one problem: most of the lawmakers and pundits today decrying the use of public resources against a White House's political opponents had little - if anything - to say about equally troubling revelations about the Bush administration's deployment of public resources against its opponents. In fact, conservatives said so little back then that Fox News apparently...
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- Andrew C (✓)
"However, there's just one problem: most of the lawmakers and pundits today decrying the use of public resources against a White House's political opponents had little - if anything - to say about equally troubling revelations about the Bush administration's deployment of public resources against its opponents. In fact, conservatives said so little back then that Fox News apparently...
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- Andrew C (✓)
"Indeed, as alluded to before, so little outrage was voiced about this kind of thing during the Bush years that a Fox News' headline this week summarizing a Karl Rove interview blared: "What if IRS Under President Bush targeted liberal groups?" - as if that never actually happened...even though it most certainly did."
- Andrew C (✓)
Bush didn't try and TURK DER GURNS while letting the secret Muslim terrorists in to TURK DER JURBS
- Johnny
I believe Bush did try to loosen up on illegal immigration issues, but that was one of the few areas where his party wouldn't follow him.
- Andrew C (✓)
Yeah, his own party filibustered Bush's immigration bill.
- John (bird whisperer)
Okay lets imagine Vivid Entertainment and several pairs of Google Glass. Got it? A porn film totally shot POV with Glass... #notentirelywhatgooglehadinmindbutibetithappens #soon
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yeah but I'm thinking if "all" the participants are wearing Glass the POV moves and cuts would actually be umm interesting
- WarLord
http://www.npr.org/blogs... Google fights Glass backlash before product is even released.
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I think that this could possibly be one of those products that a large number of people don't get and are thusly left behind.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And I mean "don't get" as in "don't understand", "don't like", "don't want" and/or "don't see the benefits".
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The nature of the roll out is only going to exacerbate the problem. The product itself is severely flawed in a myriad of ways, but, seriously, whoever was put in charge of this pre-launch phase should be updating their resume.
- Soup in a TARDIS
What's wrong with the way they rolled it out?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I'd take issue with "and are thusly left behind." My guess is that millions of us who don't "get" a particular hot new thing aren't left behind--we choose not to participate. Which is an entirely valid choice unless life, death or health are involved.
- Walt Crawford
I take issue with the arrogance that those who don't bend over and willingly accept every new piece of tech as the holy grail and the product that will change the fundamental way we communicate as a luddite or someone who will be left behind. Maybe it's just possible that the vast majority of those who don't "get it" are actually making a choice that this is silly, a step to far or simply something that only those who display such arrogance will care about.
- Johnny
from iPhone
Surely if you're in the small group using it, you'd be left behind with the other people in the small group using it.
- Pete #TeamMonique
++ Walt & Johnny. These are choices. We absolutely should not blindly accept the technological manifest destiny, build it and they will come, mentality. Particularly when they are being foisted on us by very powerful data-aggregating corporations.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Like how all the people who didn't get on the Apple Newton bandwagon got left behind?
- Victor Ganata
And the Segway. (P.S. I had a Newton, but bought with company money, not personal)
- Tinfoil 2.0
They have given priority to a pool of almost entirely white middle aged men, Alex, almost all of which have ties to IT powerhouses but very little notoriety outside the industry. In one fell swoop they managed to tick the boxes for "pretentious people with lives highly dissimilar to any 'regular' person" and "unattractive shit your dad wears." They also did ZERO prep work to prepare the...
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- Soup in a TARDIS
If it is actually a good thing and works well eventually the majority will get behind it. When cell phone companies switch their focus to something like this then you know it has taken off. Otherwise it will just be another fad
- Jason - The Opaque
from Android
I assume Glass uses massive amounts of bandwidth. I can't imagine data carriers being particularly enthusiastic that.
- Victor Ganata
They had a segment on APM Marketplace this morning about how the selective rollout was Google's way of trying to prepare people to adapt to changing social mores. I do think that people born in a world where they can't imagine life without the Internet have way different privacy expectations that those of us who remember a time before Facebook and YouTube.
- Victor Ganata
First generation products never capture markets in one fell swoop, anyway. Even the iPhone took a few iterations to grab all the marketshare, so maybe by the time Google Glass 3.0 rolls around, everyone will have jumped onto the face computer bandwagon.
- Victor Ganata
Isn't that interesting? iPhone has "all the marketshare"--Samsung and Google/Android must find that remarkable. And somewhat counterfactual.
- Walt Crawford
One thing that was immediately obvious to me during the NPR story: despite all of the gushing from Glass enthusiasts, there was only one they thing they could do wearing Glasses that they couldn't do with an ordinary smart phone. At this point, the marginal upgrade in capability and convenience doesn't seem to justify the cost, not to mention the privacy implications.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
Walt, I meant "all the marketshare" as in "all the marketshare that they've captured" (which is certainly a significant percentage) not literally 100% of the marketshare, which is, yeah, preposterous. But it's also clear that Samsung in particular has jumped whole-heartedly onto the touch screen smartphone bandwagon. Ignoring patent lawsuit judgments, can anyone really seriously argue that the current form factor of almost 100% of smartphones today wasn't somehow influenced by the first-generation iPhone?
- Victor Ganata
I do.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
I don't get Alex's comments, but I think I'm ahead of the game.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
You can take issue with "get left behind" all you want, shrug. Has nothing to do with being a luddite either. However, if two people are doing the same job and one person has a piece of equipment that gives them a significant edge, the other person will be left behind. Google Glass probably won't be as disruptive as that, but it's a V1 product. Same as the Newton. And the Newton wasn't a failure. The work done there ultimately led to things like the iPhone/iPad.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Until it becomes obvious what that "significant edge" actually is compared to a smartphone, I think I'll wait.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
It's there in the NPR blog that I linked. The potential uses in medicine alone are huge.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Some possible examples. There's a medical app that allows a surgeon to map a patient's body. They can then see using their HUD (which is basically what Glass is) exactly where they need to cut, critical patient data and the surgery can be recorded for later review. A remote surgeon could also use the camera view to help an inexperience surgeon through a new procedure.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Potential != actual. Google may not necessarily be the first to actually implement those features. Personally, I'd wait until a company with medical device and healthcare IT experience gets involved, either with their own devices or in collaboration with Google.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
You're arguing two different things, Alex. Google Glass isn't going to "leave people behind" because of uses and technologies that might result from it in the future. THOSE technologies might be revolutionary and wonderful, these arse-ugly glasses that are currently little more than a glorified cell phone and peep cam won't.
- Soup in a TARDIS
(Also, remote surgery already exists, just fyi)
- Soup in a TARDIS
I'm not arguing anything, to be honest.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
And don't worry. As soon as Apple comes out with a similar product most of the naysayers will forget they ever had issues.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh yeah, because THAT'S not an argumentative or combative comment.
- Soup in a TARDIS
Let's just hope that this isn't the Newton of this type of technology. It took like what, 15 years for us to go from Newton to a successful useful product that a critical mass could afford?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Yes, this CONVERSATION is really just my yearly pon farr. Get ready to fight to the death while wearing Google Glass so the whole thing can be recorded. **cue's Star Trek fight music**
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If we're talking about iOS vs Android or some other iOS deployed for use in the medical field, well, that's just a function of the critical mass of apps, where iOS has a head start. So, yeah, if Apple really does come out with something like Glass, it may very well be preferred in ORs and on the wards.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Does either company have a medical testing group? If not it probably won't be either company. That's a long complicated process.
- Todd Hoff
They don't really need to, Todd. These products are frameworks. Other companies that specialize in medicine can build apps for them and sell accordingly.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The whole entire stack needs to be vetter from hardware on down and up. Unless they are indemnified it would be nuts to take somebody elses platform and put the years and millions in trials it would take to get approval.
- Todd Hoff
There will always be niche products that are truly great for what they're for. I don't think Google Glass is one of them. Certainly a well-designed, well-tested medical HUD device could be very useful... to certain people. But that has nothing to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of Glass, or the general population getting "left behind" for not adoptng some niche technology.
- Tinfoil 2.0
There's nothing to suggest that this will just be a niche technology.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I wouldn't buy an Apple Glass either, Alex, especially unless it had serious privacy protections. I don't use Siri. I rarely have Location Services turned on. I eschewe apps whenever possible, particularly if there's a perfectly fine web interfce. The issue isn't who makes it, it's how it's implemented, and how it treats the user AND (especially) others affected by it.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Well, it is niche unless or until no one is left behind :p
- Tinfoil 2.0
iPhone is not a niche product and there are plenty of people who don't or won't have one.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
But many of them have similar tech whcih means they aren't left behind in any tangible way.
- Tinfoil 2.0
And many others do not. There are still a significant number of people who don't have smart phones.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
1Q2013: "136.7 million people in the U.S. owned smartphones (58 percent mobile market penetration)" [http://www.comscore.com/Insight...] That's a pretty sizable proportion.
- Tinfoil 2.0
That's less than half the US. ~180 million people who don't currently have a smart phone is also a pretty sizeable amount.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Babies don't need phones. The majority of the US phone-buying market have smartphones. Seriously, is there anthing so unique about a smartphone that someone using a feature phone and computer (or tablet especially) wouldn't grok quickly enough - that current smartphone users also grok?
- Tinfoil 2.0
You can't grok what you don't have.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Most smartphone owners don't grok what they already have. But anyone who has used a tablet knows how to use a smartphone, except for voice, which is easy but is declining in use anyway.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Finally saw one in the wild today. Bigger & bulkier than I was expecting.
- ronin
I wouldn't buy apple-branded glass either. I think the whole concept is creepy. The tracking part, the taking photos part, plus I wear bifocals already. I also worry about this notion of people who don't get on board with google glass (or like products) will be "left behind" and that is somehow ok. We already have a huge section of the population left behind due to poverty and...
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- Soup in a TARDIS
Soup makes a good point. Tech can be as much of a power lever as money or data. We should be striving to provide equity of access to all power-differentiators, or the haves and have-nots will continue to diverge (with ruinous results probable). That doesn't mean Glass for everyone, just means scientific and technological literacy as a core piece of education.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Developers have definitely been building medical iOS apps and devices that connect to your iPhone/iPad, and they've been getting approved by the FDA. The companies behind them already have medical device experience, though. Apple doesn't seem to be into it directly, but iOS has a huge head start.
- Victor Ganata
The standards when dealing with human patients is exceedingly high. Pixuru is FDA approved, for example, and it allows customers to order framed prints of their own photos. A vision tester is another. Remote access of data. A radiology app. An EKG machine. Blood pressure. All trivial in the scheme of things. A device that can kill someone during a procedure has a lot of hoops to jump through. Look for this tech in easier to approve parts of the world before hits the US.
- Todd Hoff
Yeah, I don't really see GE, Medtronic, Siemens, or Philips necessarily going with either Apple or Google platforms for building medical devices, except for auxillary functions.
- Victor Ganata
Alex, I can grok smart phones perfectly fine. I don't fucking want it because of all the other shit attached that I would prefer not to have, plus I would hardly even use the thing if I did.
- Jimminy IS Everybody
Cristo, nice troll.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The notion of getting left behind is worrisome. I don't think it's a stretch to imagine a distopian world where the rich have access to all sorts of technologies, implants, etc. and the poor continue to live in squalor.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Cristo, your view of this sort of thread is severely warped. This is a conversation. A discussion. It's not an argument. If you want an argument that room is down the hall. There's no right or wrong here, only possibilities.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
In all this let's remember that IBM showcased an almost identical product with tiny postage stamp screen close to eye clipped to an eyeglass frame over 10 years ago. Remember ubiquitous and wearable computers?!? Yeah! No body climbed on that train either
- WarLord
Well, except for all of those Nike Fuelband users, fitbit users, etc.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Here's an Ad for Google's Project Glass, from 2000 and Made by IBM http://www.geekosystem.com/ibm-wea... via @geekosystem
- WarLord
Except that IBM never actually made a product.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I've worn corrective lenses almost my entire life. I've watched my eyegl,ass wearing friends rush to contacts and even surgery to shed those bulky anoying frames and lenses - This attitude is a big barrier for Glass to get over. The plus will have to be astonishing to overcome this minus
- WarLord
Probably...then again, the technology to do this on a contact lens will get here eventually. Or just build it all into an Ironman like suit. I'm pretty sure that if someone could look like Ironman for $200, a lot of people would be paying for that.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
IBM were debuting a product, - mthey made a hands on demo to a portable computer project I was working on in St Paul over 10 years ago. So yeah Alex IBM did in fact have a beyond beta hardware package which is I guess what we arer discussing woth Google
- WarLord
My brother didn't have a picture of himself taken with it in the shower, therefore it did not exist.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If your point is that this tech has been in the works for a very long time, yep, no doubt. Just like how digital hearing aids physically filled a large room when first built in the 80s. Technology is much more often evolutionary than revolutionary.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
WarLord, I remember that ad on TV :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
No amount of technologization can ever compensate for the lack of adequate cerebralization.
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The best part of this past weekend...aside from finally getting to meet Eivind IRL...was seeing my best friend truly, genuinely, beautifully happy. I am so thankful that her and Eivind found each other. They're two souls that were meant to be together, and it shows in every little way.
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The greatest thing ever was meeting Eivind in SF right before he went to meet Kelli and just KNOWING that he was about to fall for her madly.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
from iPhone
Damn allergies. <sniff sniff> ;-)
- c.a.j.
<3
- Janet:#TeamMonique
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Big Dad's?
- Headless Gnad Kicker
mother's day brunch ideas- baked french toast #mothersday http://pinterest.com/pin...
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Is Aussie Mothers Day same as USA? Or were you helping out with ours?
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
I had bacon and toast and coffee and it was all cooked exactly how I like it ^_^
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Obama Mocks GOP Charges Of A Benghazi ‘Cover-Up’ - Think Progress http://thinkprogress.org/securit...
Oh, man. This should get the folks on Fox News foaming at the mouth.
- Victor Ganata
"Just 16% of Americans have a favorable opinion of hipsters, a new PPP poll on the much-discussed subculture shows." - Public Policy Polling http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main...
"We asked voters whether they thought hipsters made a positive cultural contribution to society or whether they just 'soullessly appropriate cultural tropes from the past for their own ironic amusement.' 23% of voters said they made positive cultural contributions while nearly half – 46% – went with soulless cultural appropriation."
- Victor Ganata
"27% of voters said they thought hipsters should be subjected to a special tax for being so annoying…"
- Victor Ganata
I'd like to look into this annoying tax for other people/things.
- Eric - seven eleven
Types of Extremists - The Oatmeal - http://theoatmeal.com/comics...
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Does that really what atheist extremists do ? Talk about space, aliens or parallel worlds and stuff ? or this is clearly a manipulation ? and Hey check out PKK please :) The idea behind this organization is practically based on marksism & leninism so that makes them atheist as well, right ? correct me if I'm wrong. So what they do? They bomb and kill innocent people in Turkey , does not even matter if they are babies, youngsters or women.
- mcd
Except I haven't heard of atheists bombing either of those things.
- ronin
I think they just throw barbed wit and strongly worded missives.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Atheists are too busy doing important things like scrubbing blessings off of highways.
- Akiva
Rene, PKK does not represent all Kurdish community in Turkey and yes, most of the kurdish people are not atheist, I agree with that and I sort of agree with the second part too, the way those govs threated kurdish people was all wrong. However, kurdish people is not my main point here, what I was trying to say and honestly I admit it seems that I am not intellectual enough to do that...
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- mcd
mcd, I don't think there are any terrorist groups that acts for the sake of atheism.
- sali
"The data show that there is little connection between suicide terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism, or any one of the world's religions." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Why would other forms of violence be any different?
- Bruce Lewis
friendfeed'i ecnebinin kullanıyor olduğuna inanamıyorum. herkes bir kişi için ingilizce konuşuyor olabilir.
- otisaga
@otisaga. orjinal ekipten abi adam
- Ozgur Demir
haaa. hangisi orijinal ekipten?
- otisaga
PKK is an islamist organisation AFAIK
- Onur Yalazı
tudor, hello, how are you? are they paying you well in friendfeed? will friendfeed close down? can you save my data for me? can you give me op?
- otisaga
what? give the kid op, not a big deal
- Ozgur Demir
hahahahahaha
- clara glass
imho PKK does atmospheric black metal
- feraye
@ferayebach. are you sure it is black? I thought it was something else ?
- Ozgur Demir
@ozgur are one of those who suggest PKK is doing NWOB metal?????!?!!111
- feraye
abi bu nwobm mi değil mi tartışmasına en son 11 kasım 2011'de girdim. o kadar inanamadım ki tarihi not aldım.
- otisaga
o nwobm olayını çok karıştırdılar hep de karışıktı. milletli metal türü mü olur amk
- feraye
hmmm
- Oybek Toirov
There's a girl called Halle in Josiah's class who has some very interesting... opinions? ideas? That she is adamant about, to the point where Josiah gets quite upset during their discussions because she tells him he's wrong.
For example, she maintains that 0 + 0 = 1, and that boys don't have eyelashes.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Now, I don't want Josiah to upset Halle by telling her that SHE is wrong, even though she is. I'm wondering how best to go about this.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Well, she's right about those two. What are some of her interesting opinions/ideas you mentioned?
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
There was something else that I can't remember right now. But those are the two that Josiah keeps bringing up.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
I've asked him "Well, what do you think?", and he tells me that 0 + 0 = 0, and that he DOES have eyelashes.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Why do we care if Halle gets upset? She wants to "discuss", she has to be able to listen to a counter argument.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I guess I'm more worried about the way Josiah might say it to her. Since it hurts his feelings when she tells him he's wrong, and we're trying to teach him "Do unto others". But really - she IS wrong. MY KID DOES HAVE EYELASHES.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Maybe I should encourage him to bring the two topics up during math and science.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
He doesn't have to get in her face and yell "You're wrong!" Just tell him to calmly state the facts. The teacher can confirm the math, and Josiah can quite honestly laugh when told he has no eyelashes.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Wait, Josiah has eyelashes? I thought he was a boy. Boys don't have eyelashes.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
"If you only wear red coloured lenses, then the sky is always going to be red. What's important is that you try all the lenses you're wearing until you find the one that is clear. If she won't take off her glasses, then you can't make her, but never stop looking through your clear lenses"
- Johnny
from iPhone
Halle and Josiah both need to learn that being louder or more forceful doesn't make you right.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Nah, he won't yell :o)
- Headless Gnad Kicker
I should get him to learn that by heart and recite it to her, Johnny ;o) I can imagine her face O.O
- Headless Gnad Kicker
I'm sure she can SEE his eyelashes. I don't get it.
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Halle sounds a lot like me. I would say random stuff just for laughs. I'm sure she don't really think those things it's just funny to her. An example: I used to tell my friend that if you mix a butterfly with an egg, that you'll get potassium that's better than from bananas. She still gives me crap for telling her that. It was funny to me because 1) she's gullible and 2) she wouldn't...
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- Anika
She's doing it because she knows it upsets him. I've known kids like that. He's so polite he can't be rude to her. You can't argue right/wrong about opinions but you can about facts.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Maybe I'll chat to him about his reaction then. Thanks guys :o)
- Headless Gnad Kicker
I just found out I've won a DMK enzyme therapy facial! I'm so excited!! I've never, ever had a facial in a salon before!
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It also includes a pedicure and some other stuff. Valued at $430!
- Headless Gnad Kicker
I don't even want to know what Johnny is thinking...
- Headless Gnad Kicker
Johnny made it a Moment of Wang.
- Spidra Webster
as he does.
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Congrats!
- LB: #TeamMonique
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- Spidra Webster
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I'm sure I'm not the first to wonder, but why haven't they made a Grand Theft Auto Toronto do it could be GTA:GTA?
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In a twist, I woke up ahead of my weight loss goal. I don't REALLY have to exercise this morning... and it's cold... and still dark... and Friday...
Today is not a good day. If anyone needs me, I'll be in my recliner.
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i need a recliner.
- Jenica
((((mc))))
- VALZ/TEAM TRAVIS
Thanks, y'all. Jenica they are definitely worth it. It's the only place I sleep well these days.
- Mary Carmen
Recliner + iPad + beverage = Don't bother me. I'm chillin'.
- Mary B: #TeamMonique
Nancy Grace and Ashleigh Banfield Hold Split-Screen Interview in Same Parking Lot - http://www.theatlanticwire.com/nationa...
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"In a bizarre television and spatial anomaly on CNN this morning, the blanket coverage of two true-crime stories led two news anchors to conduct an odd "satellite" interview from the very same parking lot, background traffic and all."
- ronin
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CNN does infotainment right!
- Anika
I'm sure they had to keep the shot tight due to all the press and they didn't want audio bleed over when crazy Nancy started her HN show (she's loud if you hadn't heard), but that is kind of funny.
- Eric - seven eleven
Taking every deduction and every legal avenue to reduce your tax is different to having an undue amount of influence on the writing of those tax laws. If I could show you how to legally half your tax bill (but I had nothing to do with the loophole's creation), would you not take me up on it?
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but should you by this wholly legal avoidance pay less tax dollars than guy in paper hat who hands you the burgers through drive through window? What if your name is Jamie Dimon CEO JPMorgan?
- WarLord
Realistically, if you told me you could halve my tax bill, I'd find another accountant. If it sounds too good to be true….
- Victor Ganata
The paper hat jockey has NO legal avenue, his tex is withheld and he has zero deductions. Jamie Dimon can claim his fucking Gulfstream as a deduction. There is no legal, ethical or moral parity which makes Jamie and that guy smelling of french fries on same finanacial universe NONE. That Jamie pays less actual tax than that guy in a paper hat is reprehensible
- WarLord
Well, yes, partly a dodge, but, from both a ethical and legal perspective, what are the odds that some random guy really found a way to cut my tax bill in half, compared to what my accountant already figured out? How likely is that *really* going to be legal? More likely than not, it's only legal in the sense that the IRS is *probably* not going to audit me, since I'm small potatoes, which may literally be how some people far richer than me dodge taxes.
- Victor Ganata
But even with cutting it in half, that's still not as egregious as paying *nothing*. I'm mean, seriously, if someone told you you didn't have to pay any taxes whatsoever, you wouldn't a priori assume you had to do something shady to accomplish that?
- Victor Ganata
Again, avoiding the morality of the question. You keep trying to disprove the validity of the deduction, not answer whether or not you would take up that opportunity. The "spirit" of which you speak is either No Deductions or Some Deductions. Cause 100% is still in the same category as 1%. The spirit (or purpose) is that everyone pays a share of their income to help fund the running of the country. Any person who takes a deduction against the prescribed rate is now paying LESS.
- Johnny
Let's put it this way: I'm not convinced that all GE has done is take available deductions. This is not the only way to reduce your tax burden. I'm no tax expert but just taking available deductions is never going to reduce your taxes to 0%. Essentially, if you're paying something, you're paying your share. It may not be a "fair" share–that's a separate issue–but you're not getting something for nothing. So, no, I don't think taking deductions is immoral. It's not paying your share that's immoral.
- Victor Ganata
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If GE paid $1 to the U.S. Treasury, I think this would be a different moral issue compared to GE paying $0.
- Victor Ganata
from iPhone
Taking every available deduction and reducing your tax burden by a few thousand bucks is not the same thing as keeping billions of dollars in oversea accounts, paying the Treasury nothing. In other words, I reject the idea that they're morally equivalent, in the same way that beating someone up in self-defense is not the same as murdering a bunch of people unprovoked even though both involve committing acts of violence.
- Victor Ganata
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Hi. Your friendly neighborhood accountant here. There are indeed ways that an individual taxpayer can pay zero taxes in a single fiscal year, all completely legal, using tax laws to their advantage. Just the same as a corporation. However, planets have to align for that to happen. That being said, in school, we were taught exactly how to utilize tax laws and their loopholes to reduce...
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- Hookuh Tinypants
Also, there are numerous legal ways to avoid tax burden without involving overseas accounts. Reinvestment of profit within a fiscal year is a popular method of doing so. Now. I'm not saying corporations are awesome. And I don't think our tax laws are awesome either. They're rotten and I have issues with it because not only are there loopholes but there are also places were you get...
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- Hookuh Tinypants
It can be immoral and ethical and and honest and legal! All at once. That's the fun part. What's needed are better tax codes. Or a Mad Max libertarian free for all experiment.
- Pete #TeamMonique
Pretty much.
- Hookuh Tinypants
Corporations > People, I guess.
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Well, that and notice the WoC vs. the white dude. Even as individuals committing the same crime, she's way more likely to go to jail and do more time, even if you account for her fame.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Did the guy on the right commit any crime? (I'm not sure who he is, so I'm not sure what he may or may not have done.)
- Brian Johns
That's Jeff Immelt (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...). He has been the CEO of G.E. since September of 2001. As far as I'm aware, he's not accused of any crime, and I have not heard anyone claim that he has avoided paying his personal taxes. The issue is that G.E. has paid zero for corporate taxes in 2010 and possibly other years, despite large profits. However, I believe...
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- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Sorry, I probably muddled the issue. The general point is supposed to be that if a person fails to pay their taxes they generally go to jail, but if a corporation dodges them, they continue to do so unimpeded. (I was more pointing out that even in the world of only individual tax fraud, the law is often applied unevenly.)
- Jennifer Dittrich
I agree with the cynic in Johnny... Lauryn Hill surely could have paid someone to shelter her earnings in legal ways. But then, maybe she didn't trust anyone enough, or didn't know what to do, and thought she could get away. I'm not familiar with the details of her story, just speculating.
- .LAG liked that
Jennifer, yeah, it seems pretty arbitrary which celebrities get jail time and which don't. This article argues she got a light sentence: http://www.forbes.com/sites... -- but it's Forbes, so I dunno. And your point that people go to jail for things that corporations don't is true, but that's the whole point of corporations, to shield individuals from liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
When I saw this earlier today, I could name a handful of black celebrities who were jailed for not paying taxes, but zero white celebrities. White celebrities were fined, but jailed--even at home, no. http://www.sheknows.com/enterta... and http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-h... show the inequalities.
- Anika
True, Stephen - though in theory, it should be a shield not immunity. Some of what we're willing to let pass just galls me sometimes. Well, and that's part of the point as well - he led GE, and legally evaded taxes during that time, but that's respectable.
- Jennifer Dittrich
Anika, the only white celebrity I could think of was Martha Stewart, and that wasn't tax related - she pissed off the money men with questionable trading.
- Jennifer Dittrich
.LAG, she apparently failed to file for three years: "Ms. Hill pleaded guilty to three counts of failing to file tax returns on more than $1.8 million between 2005 and 2007." (from the article I linked above)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Anika, yeah. Joe Francis and Richard Hatch served time, but they're not real celebrities, whereas Wesley Snipes and Lauryn Hill both are. Seems unfair.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
One thing I should clarify: Victor had an interesting post later about the ethics and morality involved. Please don't construe my first comment here as approval of G.E. being able to pay zero in taxes: It's clearly wrong (ethically wrong, morally wrong, and wrong from a fairness perspective) that our system lets them get away with it. It's proof to me that our tax system needs serious reformation.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
(And I think Jennifer was making that same point as well, when she pointed out the double standard in Immelt being treated with respect for being able to avoid so many taxes.)
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
"Too big to jail" has become a new category in the U.S. Tax Code, (as well as the Attorney Gerneral's white collar prosecution rubric.)
- Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ
Sure, adhering to the letter of the law is what keeps you out of prison, but adhering to the spirit of the law is what is relevant to morality and ethics. To me, arguing that someone kept the letter of the law despite blatant violation of the spirit of the law so who cares is equivalent to saying who gives a fuck about morality and ethics.
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I guess the realistic answer is: not a whole hell of a lot of people.
- Victor Ganata
I think people sort of form their morality and ethics around their actions. Everyone has a narrative where they're good guys.
- Eivind
I think it's sort of expected that malefactors will attempt to justify their own actions, but what really gets me are people who justify other people's bad faith when they're the very ones who are getting screwed. But I guess there's not really much you can do about that.
- Victor Ganata
i forget which actor (probly a number of them) has stated that they often play a villain as if the character believed they were the good guy.
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
I just think hating on the person is less effective than identifying the flaws in the system and working to fix that. I take every tax deduction and use all legal avenues to reduce my taxable income. The amount of tax I save is minuscule compared to a CEO but at the core, I'm doing the exact same thing. Am I less of an asshole cause the figure is less?
- Johnny
from iPhone
Eh. There's a difference between paying less and getting subsidized. It's the exact thing that people who hate welfare recipients get livid about, really, except for the vaster amounts of money.
- Victor Ganata
Yes, there's a difference between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal). Corps don't have morals or ethics, but people also have no moral responsibility to pay more than their legal share to the government. Get mad at the laws, not the people. But OK, also get mad at the people who corrupt the laws to their benefit.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Yes. Magnitude is a mitigating factor.
- Victor Ganata
Who decides? Is it linear? Logarithmic? Seriously, get mad at the corruption (lobbyists, special interests, and lawmakers who distort the laws), not at people simply following the corrupt laws.
- Tinfoil 2.0
If the law says I should pay x%, why should I pay more, knowing that no one else is voluntarily chipping in, especially considering I don't support a lot of what those extra dollars would be used for (e.g., more waste, corruption)? Get the money out of politics and the (tax and other) laws will better reflect what the people need and want.
- Tinfoil 2.0
The laws are on the books. I don't have to be happy about them. You don't get to dictate my morals and ethics, either.
- Victor Ganata
People recognize there's a difference between killing one person and killing 10 people, so, yeah, magnitude matters. Then there's mitigating circumstances. It's obviously not binary.
- Victor Ganata
If you're arguing that somehow minimizing your share to x% instead of the maximum amount z% is just as wrong as paying zero then also receiving benefits and privileges anyway, well, good for you, I guess.
- Victor Ganata
I don't know what that means, so I suspect it's not what I'm arguing.
- Tinfoil 2.0
There's clearly a difference between minimizing the share of what you're paying, versus paying nothing and on top of that getting subsidized. But if you want to employ sophistry to argue otherwise, I can't gainsay you. *shrug*
- Victor Ganata
I'm confused. Are you talking about humans or organizations?
- Tinfoil 2.0
If the assumption is that humans and organizations are equivalent, does it matter?
- Victor Ganata
I seriously doubt anyone on this thread assumed anything to that effect.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I agree with Victor. I think this level of acceptance for corporations misbehaving because they 'don't have morals or ethics' is a huge problem. I don't accept that, and there are plenty of things that go against my morals and ethics that would not be caught by the legal system.
- Eivind
It doesn't matter what anyone on this thread assumes if that's what the law assumes, no?
- Victor Ganata
Eivind, I agree too, that that's how things *should* be. But unfortunately, it's not how they are in the US.
- Tinfoil 2.0
I mean, it's reasonable for someone to argue to "that's how it is, you can't really do anything about it, suck it up." But, again, I don't have to be happy about it, I don't have to accept it as "right" or "just", and there's no use pretending that I should.
- Victor Ganata
Victor, you're usually the descriptive one, not the normative one. ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
I'm trying to be descriptive about normativity :)
- Victor Ganata
It's all becoming clear now. :)
- Tinfoil 2.0
Let's be more concrete, then. If a multimilionaire only paid an effective tax rate that's half of mine, that's still a lot more money than I paid. So I'm not going to hate if he took some deductions that I'm not eligible for. But this is still a *very* far cry from paying an effective tax rate of 0%. I know I'm not alone in finding this egregious. Hell, other corporations are probably pissed off about that.
- Victor Ganata
Oh
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Errrmmmm...
- c.a.j.
To be fair, that seems to resemble my own map o' Australia :/
- Jennifer Dittrich
You used a white crayon, right?
- Micah
What Jennifer said. :/
- c.a.j.
RT @cox_tom: Everyone's probably seen Google Street View turning a cat into half a cat now, haven't they? http://t.co/cEGYDB9ZxT
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NIGHTMARES FOREVER.
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Less fur.
- Surprisingly Monstrous
LOL
- John (bird whisperer)
Strut
- Mo Kargas
Not half bad.
- Micah
I can halvez chee... oh fuck it!
- Adrian
No front claws, no shredded anything. Win.
- Janet:#TeamMonique
He gets where he's going, half fast.
- April Russo
Something else that occurred to me about Google Glass. It requires a cell phone connection. Now while I know the link between cell phones and health issues are weak... having a cell antenna sitting an inch from my temple for a couple of hours (or all day)? Yeah... not sure I'm jazzed about that...
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My bad. It appears that it connects to a cell phone via BlueTooth. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science... Still, I can't imagine it being too long until Google breaks the tethered requirement
- Johnny
Battery being the biggest issue. But just wait until they figure out how to poke right into the brain just as if it was a potato clock.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Is Bluetooth that much safer than a cell phone antenna?
- Andrew C (✓)
I'd expect Bluetooth to be hugely safer than cell phone antennas. Signal decays with the square of distance. Your cell phone antenna has to reach 10,000+ feet. Bluetooth has to reach 30 feet(?). That would suggest the cell phone signal is 100,000 times as powerful as the bluetooth signal, all other things being equal. (I hope an expert chimes in, as I'm not one)
- Amit Patel
Instead of worrying about bluetooth on your head, worry about the cell signal in your pants. (Hm, note to self: add "in your pants" to any phrase…)
- Amit Patel
Bluetooth is significantly weaker than a normal cell phone handset's signal. Amit's reasoning is essentially correct in your pants.
- Brian Johns
...in your pants.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
I'm just interjecting for no reason in your pants.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I see what you did there in your pants
- Johnny
You guys are like a dance party...in your pants.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I, for one, am quite over seeing Robert Scoble in his shower. Google needs to do something about that situation. And quick.
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You're right, I should have known better. :)
- c.a.j.
The rest of the strory: http://whitemenwearinggoogleglass.tumblr.com/
- WarLord
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Well played
- Johnny
*chokes on tea*
- Hookuh Tinypants
Hookuh, in my head, you ARE Batman.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
S-MAX for Emperor of FriendFeed.
- MoTO #TeamMonique
Gun Protesters Plan March On Washington With Loaded Rifles To 'Put The Government On Notice' | ThinkProgress - http://thinkprogress.org/justice...
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"Almost 900 people are RSVPed for a July 4th march on Washington, D.C. where protesters plan to carry loaded rifles. In D.C., openly carrying guns is against the law. But the organizer of the event, libertarian radio host Adam Kokesh, says the march is an act of "civil disobedience" that attempts to prove gun advocates' point in the "SUBTLEST way possible.""
- Andrew C (✓)
from Bookmarklet
*facepalm*
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Remember in 2008 when voters 'felt intimidated' by Black Panthers who wore military-esque gear and one had a nightstick?
- Andrew C (✓)
marching on government buildings with loaded lethal weapons is NOT "civil disobedience".
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
Holy hell
- Eric - seven eleven
from iPhone
there's just nothing that can go wrong in this scenario, right? yikes!
- RudĩϐЯaЯïan
Now all they need is a get loaded before we get loaded pre-march pub crawl.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I don't know in my 61 years when I've feared more for my country and democracy than right now
- WarLord
Micah - that's great!
- Brian Johns
Much like that 3D plastic pistol, I'm hoping this is more hype than an actual thing
- WarLord
Probably. They say they won't do it unless they get 10K RSVPs.
- Andrew C (✓)
You know, for a bunch of conspiracy nuts who are obsessed with government jackbooted thugs kicking down their doors and taking their guns away, these Nimrods aren't too bright. Seriously, these tactical geniuses plan on marching down the street - where government agents can photograph them at will - with examples of how well they're armed? Way to plan that out, Brainaics.
- Steven Perez
Martyr (n) - a person who sacrifices something of great value and especially life itself for the sake of principle
- WarLord
Guys who go in with swords unsheathed or guns blazing have a harder time winning martyrdom. Usually they get called instigators, aggressors, or, depending on how successful they are, mass murderers and tyrants.
- Victor Ganata
Things are so upside down, if one of these guys throws down on a cop and gets shot himself, the Republican Congress will want to erect a statue of heavily armed marcher/martyr You can imagine Faux Nooz reaction. Scalia would speak when they unveiled teh statue
- WarLord
My creepy neighbor just walked in front of his house with an ax.
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o.O
- DAMMIT, MR. NOODLE
This could be bad.
- Micah
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this may be bad form but order another pizza. if delivery guy survives then you're safe. #PigOnAStick
- Joe "Bad Guts" Silence
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