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Young and Uninsured: Cartoonist Julia Wertz - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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too bizarre. the editing on that piece could use some help.
- nate beaty
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it is pretty bizarre, strange mix of serious subject matter with charlie brown'ish jazz music.
- karl dotter
McSweeney’s #33 Panoramamaniac - http://lisahanawalt.com/blog...
much to love about this. might even brave the snow to find a copy!
- nate beaty
sad that susie's article got cut, but wow on lisa's artwork, will pick up a copy for sure.
- karl dotter
ah, i hadn't heard. that blows. (damnit you just caused me to add more RSS feeds to my reader in researching that. gak.)
- nate beaty
I'm a rss reader wuss, do you think it helps or hurts your internet time suck? I just look at the whole internet as an inbox zero.
- karl dotter
Reader is my last stop after exhausting other entertainment. I don't try to keep up at all. I guess it's the only way I "bookmark" anything.
- nate beaty
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toastcards™ http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- karl dotter
If another computer, phone, or any other device fucking beeps at me to tell me there's something wrong that needs my attention right now I'm gonna flip out. My STACK is FULL.
Vezquex: God of FF, Kol Tregaskes, sam and 6 other people liked this
and then my computer beeped at me. goddamnit. Even worse, it was to kindly let me know that I received an email that I just sent. Like I need that.
- Kevin Fox
:(
- Josh Haley
Okay, I've popped a few alerts off my stack. Maybe I can handle a few more now.
- Kevin Fox
:)
- Josh Haley
Error: Stack Overflow
- Mo Kargas
You need the Pocket EMP! Hi I'm Billy Mays here for the Pocket EMP! Ever have too much electronics around you beeping and buzzing and flashing? Well with the Pocket EMP, all electronics 50 feet around you won't be doing that anymore.... Just pull out the grenade size device and push the red button and listen to the sound of silence as all electronic devices around you die.
- CW™
time to unplug. go smoke a fattie and take the rest of the week off. tell them morgan said it was ok.
- Morgan Haley
*beeep*
- karl dotter
Must...resist...urge...to...IM...Kevin...on....7...different...services...simultaneously
- Stephen Mack
HAHA! Nice Stephen :)
- Georgia Diehl
PREACH.
- Derrick
Four Creative Professionals, One Cup. - http://www.ustream.tv/recorde...
"Dylan Meconis (lutherlevy.com), Katie Lane (workmadeforhire.wordpress.com), Bill Mudron (billmudron.com) and I (erikamoen.com) talk shop about comics and freelancing and shit."
- karl dotter
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increase productivity? advice: "get yourself an internet blocking mechanism."
- karl dotter
this thing is 2 hours long, almost finished. It's turning into a radio show while I draw.
- karl dotter
drawn and quarterly - Map of My Heart tour - http://www.drawnandquarterly.com/blog...
"John P.'s Map of My Heart tour may be over for now but there are some great momentos like this and this other video snippets from his date at Wax Trax. {Thanks to Karl Dotter for his great Flickr set.}"
- karl dotter
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@kimgoodwin how do I persuade you to share your Persuasion for Designers slides? I missed your talk, and it's not so simple or self-evident.
thanks @kim ( @k4rl I use so few words in my slides I fear they're useless on their own. I'll do an article on the same topic--it'll be much more useful.)
- karl dotter
Dear Indie Mac Developers, please make a badass Fireworks-esque webdesign graphic editing workhorse. You will make a fortune.
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the rumor is that panic is work'n on some'thin :D, can you confirm that?
- karl dotter
i just made a mess in my pants. i can confirm that.
- nate beaty
@caltrain feels good to bike in any city and take any train, but we need more bike cars. http://yfrog.com/0hfzemj
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this is what I call the one stop problem. Sunnyvale > Palo Alto are close, but people get bumped off the train or if the conductor isn't grumpy we all crowd the aisle like this morning. I feel like we need some journalist to take all the different stops each morning and do a story first hand, it's getting kinda out of hand.
- karl dotter
new snow, new code, new design, and a floating head @ http://natebeaty.com
@nate ok, so I already posted one thing in congratulatory phrasing for your National Geo reporting, but I caught all this in one sitting... so, happy website birthday nate. You had me at floating head loading animation.
- karl dotter
ah, thanks! i'm still honing the site, as i'm sure i always will be. but at least it's finally got a few eyeballs and an arm instead of just a mouth.
- nate beaty
J'accuse @ Rubin Museum of Art, Introduced by Kim Deitch - http://www.rmanyc.org/events...
go to this if you're in NY this weekend.
- karl dotter
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Honing my Cartoonist Impersonation at SPX 2009 - http://natebeaty.com/journal...
excellent!
- karl dotter
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ah, thanks. i'm unsure of my recent layout tendency of breaking up little blocks of text with big photos, but it feels good to be writing again. i really like the trend lately of many folks giving each post on their site a distinct style and will likely play with that on future posts.
- nate beaty
I'd like to bring k4rl.com back to a blog format, will be tinkering soon. What do you use? I think you mentioned you made a custom cms. I'm interested in the flexibility you're talk'n about.
- karl dotter
natebeaty.com was a Django site, but i just moved it to my homegrown php/mysql "framework" (read: organic collection of code & cms over the years). the main impetus for doing this was my inability to grok the Python Flickr API for the most basic needs, which drove me nuts -- most likely just my lack of Python skills and being rusty with Django. it LOOKED like it should be so simple, much like it was with the PHP Flickr API.
- nate beaty
hmm, need to brush up on my coding chops. really interested in the friendfeed/flickr integration aspects, but I'll be cooking up my own recipe. maybe a code review in our future!
- karl dotter
Reliable Furniture - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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I <3 caroline woolard
- karl dotter
Raindrop is an open design process in building a better, more personal and useful way of participating in your existing communications. Built on a web messaging platform designed to push the limits of browser based applications—we are a Mozilla Labs project.
- karl dotter
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is there such thing as a stars align problem for new product ideas? this is a cryptic nod to my buddies in the UX department of a webmail company who's time has come...release the bats.
- karl dotter
Carl vs. Mac - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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looks like carl needs the new magic mouse.
- karl dotter
Hank – Forever - http://www.last.fm/music...
I'd like to learn how to program beats to make them into karaoke tracks, possible? this song should be an easy one.
- karl dotter
Van ness muni station waterfall - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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this used to be my stop...glad I don't ride muni much! Riding home on my bike was not bad at all tonight. sf has major drainage problems for a major city.
- karl dotter
willdinski•com - http://www.willdinski.com/blog...
will won the mini-comic award @ isotope.
- karl dotter
Fukt - a magazine for contemporary drawing - http://www.fukt.de/
left this with martyna in brooklyn...
- karl dotter
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stay away from other people. - http://www.lisahanawalt.com/
I have so much to read from APE, but lisa hanawalt's comics will be the first.
- karl dotter
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you will be seeing a lot of chippy.
- karl dotter
@k4rl go ahead, just don't hawk your wares in front of my table (#531). Can't wait to see more comics dude.
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thanks doc, I'll be a fair salesman :) appreciate the encouragement.
- karl dotter
Songs for the Arctic Ocean - http://asdfmakes.com/project...
Featuring 9 tracks by: Infinite Body, Ô PAON, Jamie Stewart, Ches Smith, Prurient, Lucky Dragons, Lindsay Ljungkull, Former Ghosts
- karl dotter
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Brooklyn Comics and Graphics Festival http://www.comicsandgraphicsfest.com/
Saturday December 5th 2009 First-annual Brooklyn Comics and Graphics Festival presented by Desert Island and PictureBox at Our Lady of Consolation Church 184 Metropolitan Ave Williamsburg, Brooklyn free admission
- karl dotter
Ersatz Papalote Salsa Recipe - http://www.chow.com/recipes...
recreate papalote's salsa? is it true?
- karl dotter
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DESERT ISLAND - http://desertislandbrooklyn.com/
I'm doomed! I'm not going to get out of desert island alive.
- karl dotter
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so many awesome pictures of awesome people.
- karl dotter
thanks! just wait for the APE sequel..
- nate beaty
awaitin'! I've got shaky hands working on my comic right now, vacationing in picturesque brooklyn. I should do chicago one of these days.
- karl dotter
well, you've got a place to crash if you ever end up here.
- nate beaty
24 Hour Comic Book Day October 3rd - 4th. I’m threatening myself to draw a 24-page comic in 24 hours straight with some of the hours being spent on an airplane to New York. - http://k4rl.tumblr.com/post...
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...and, the threat did not work this year. Too much prep before ny, my goal now is to work on the comic while on the trip...um, is this a good idea?
- karl dotter
Should Facebook Remove Subject Lines from Messages? - http://mashable.com/2009...
Nicholas James, Jason A. Samfield, Diego Barros and 72 other people liked this
I tried to remove the subject in Gmail, but people revolted. I really like that FriendFeed (and Twitter) don't have a subject -- it's just a message.
- Paul Buchheit
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If there's no subject line, how will I know to ignore the message?
- pea
How do you know on FriendFeed?
- Paul Buchheit
I think email would be better if they removed the body instead of the subject.
- Jim Norris
On FF, there's a high assumption that the message I'll get is wanted because only people I sub to can message me. That's not the case with email. Sorry, you were talking about FB. Got derailed by the Gmail comment. I'd be okay with no Subject line in FB messages.
- pea
well, I can guess what's spam on gmail by the subject line. Since I never got spam on facebook's inbox... that could take things right to the point.
- Caio
Friendfeed removes the body from most messages, so you have to do the 'write a comment on your own message' trick to put it in
- Kevin Marks
That's a good point Kevin, a lot of people treat the first comment by the author as the subject line.
- Eric Florenzano
Which makes the feed API annoying for longform stuff
- Kevin Marks
People are using "pseudo tagging" on FF with the [something] syntax just to provide the "context" for their message. So, yeah, title is here to stay (where used).
- Claudio Cicali ♋
I tend to delete emails with no subject lines without reading them, since it's usually just one of my friends or family forwarding me some crap (Note: I have filters to remove Re: and Fwd: and similar additions to subject lines). So in that sense, subject lines are necessary if you want me to read what you have to say. I would extend this same concept to the Facebook Inbox as well:...
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- Otto
Hmm.. On a related note, I should just setup an auto-responder for no-subject-line emails. Tell people "no subject, no delivery", and also warn them not to send me their forward spam. Might work.
- Otto
summarize, FTW!
- Claudio Cicali ♋
+1 for Otto's comment.
- Curtiss Grymala
Twitter has just the subject line, no body. ;)
- Amit Patel
It's the other way around Amit, which is why Twitter is better than Atom/RSS (RSS has titles, Twitter is just short messages). See http://friendfeed.com/paul... for an example.
- Paul Buchheit
"Twitter is better than Atom/RSS"?!? - splutters!
- Tim Tyler
it is very useless btw you also have to change the share box to old way.. It is very difficukt when you want to share a message to another user not to your profile
- Atif UNALDI
Instead of no subject, i often send email with no body, or the same in both. only use body when I need long form.
- David Stratton
Twitter and ff exclude the long-form use case. For email, subject lines should at least be an option. I don't use fb enough to comment on their messaging.
- Bruce Lewis
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No subject does totally work. Sometimes I really stuck trying to fill Subj form. Just have no idea how to summarize words like ”How d'ya do”. What's the subject here? No fkcng subj needed, for real.
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Bruce, the solution is to simply make the "subject" a part of the body, so that there is a smooth transition.
- Paul Buchheit
If there's one general problem I have with Gmail, it's the institutional attitude that they know what's best for the user. e.g. "You don't need to be able to sort by columns." I'm thankful they didn't let you dump the subject, Paul.
- Ken Sheppardson
How do you get users to do that? People don't naturally start long-form messages with concise summaries. Not that a subject line nails this problem, but at least you can prompt the user if it's blank.
- Bruce Lewis
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People don't write concise summaries anyway Bruce :). Ken, sorting by something other than date in nonsensical in a conversational context.
- Paul Buchheit
Facebook having a proprietary system that mostly competes with email, but is mostly incompatible with it is kind-of feeble.
- Tim Tyler
Paul: Perhaps, but people aren't always operating in a "conversational context" when they're dealing with email. For something as flexible as email, or messaging systems of any sort, I find it annoying when the system tries to dictate what my workflow and thought processes should look like.
- Ken Sheppardson
Maybe it's a dying use case, but subjects are really great for automated messages that are guaranteed to have a useful subject line. I can scroll through server notices, security advisories, and so on quickly and download the full message if I need to know more. The fact that you can download just the subject line (or rather, the email header) before downloading the entire email is still pretty useful to me.
- Mark Trapp
Ken, I'm referring to the UI. For example, sorting by sender doesn't make sense when there are multiple senders, as is the case in a conversational ui. The ui was designed to solve use-cases, not fill feature checkboxes.
- Paul Buchheit
Also, Gmail wasn't meant to cover all possible use cases. I think it's better to have a product that's very good for many people than mediocre for all people. It has open interfaces (such as IMAP) so that it's easy to use other clients.
- Paul Buchheit
I agree 100% with Ken. I almost always sort my e-mails by date, then subject (in Evolution, I can actually group them by thread, which is really nice). If I just kept all of my e-mails sorted strictly by date and none of them had subjects, I would have no idea which ones were related to each other. It's completely counter-intuitive to remove the subject line from an e-mail. Further,...
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- Curtiss Grymala
It's not meant to cover all use cases, but it's meant to be interoperable, right? If email originating from Gmail is not supplying subject lines (because they're hidden/downplayed/discouraged), but everything else relies on subject lines (like IMAP clients) to weed through the email list, the spirit of interoperability seems to be violated.
- Mark Trapp
I get that, Paul (re use cases vs features) and was just about to mention that I'm thankful for IMAP support, so I can use Thunderbird, Outlook, etc for those instances where my workflow calls for sorting by size; sorting a set of messages with well-formed subjects by subject; using sorting as a quick, visual proxy for search, etc.
- Ken Sheppardson
Mark, I didn't say that it wouldn't supply a subject line :)
- Paul Buchheit
What would it be? The first n bytes of the message? I guess that could work.
- Mark Trapp
i rarely use the subject line in my email
- andy brudtkuhl
yes
- Christopher Harris
it doesnt mean it is the best way if you use something in a way for a long time. i think no subject for emails is a good approach if you really think on it. it is the change scares us.
- Eren Emre Kanal
from iPhone
People who send me emails without a subject rarely have anything to say that I want to read. If you're too lazy to write a subject, then I'm too lazy to read your ramblings.
- Otto
The business world relies on subject messages for threading and sorting, and I anticipate will do so for some time. I would keep it.
- Louis Gray
Doesn't anybody ever take any business communications classes/training any more? Email without subjects lines is like a meeting without an agenda. Oh, and get off my lawn. Humbug.
- Ken Sheppardson
a direct message? no subject line. an email-like message? subject line for sure.
- Jim Hearts FF
This is why ultimately we may need to abandon email. It's broken in many ways, but difficult to change.
- Paul Buchheit
If by "broken" you mean "people don't take the time to learn how to use it effectively", I agree. ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
For something meant to be so essential to communication, it shouldn't take time to use effectively: it should be a natural extension of what we do. If we're relying on everyone to use it correctly, that's not very efficient.
- Mark Trapp
ya i dont no why anybody wood half to lern how to do stuff it shuld all be natural
- Ken Sheppardson
Is it the norm to expect everyone to be bilingual? Why not expect electronic communication media to be an extension of the one form of communication that we all spend years to master? Why is it necessary to have to spend another large tract of time to learn another form of communication?
- Mark Trapp
Paul, do you think Google Wave will solve this problem? It doesn't have a subject line and it's much more different than email.
- Eren Emre Kanal
Eren, I don't know what will happen with Wave. It's a very interesting concept, but I suspect that it still needs a lot of refinement.
- Paul Buchheit
Now I'm curious what the subject-free gmail would have looked like, especially messages to/from other email systems.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
It's less different than you would imagine Bruce. The biggest change is in the composer. Gmail already kind of merges subject with body in the inbox. Unfortunately I didn't figure out the right ui until sometime after wanting to remove the subject. If I had thought of it sooner, we might have been able to do it.
- Paul Buchheit
At least I (mostly) got rid of it on reply though :)
- Paul Buchheit
Writing concisely, knowing what a paragraph is/should be, understanding what a "topic sentence" is, and being able to summarize a document in a single sentence aren't skills that are unique to email. Blog posts, reports, books, magazine articles all have subjects... except we call them "titles". Seems like the people I work with all use email in a ways that's fundamentally different than some of you. I don't really get where the idea that subjects are superfluous is coming from.
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, when I call up a friend or family member, I don't start the call with "This phone call will be about the weather. Hey Dad, how's it going?" Conversations are not written prose, and the premise being put out is that emails are extensions of conversations.
- Mark Trapp
That's a great example Mark. Subjects are very formal.
- Paul Buchheit
As is most business communication.
- Ken Sheppardson
Email is formal, chat isn't...
- Johnny Worthington
Mark: I notice that most if not all the entries on http://marktrapp.com/blog have subjects/titles. Why?
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, because they're prose, not conversations.
- Mark Trapp
Paul - the fact that you say you "mostly got rid of it on reply" is exactly why subjects are so necessary. How else do we keep those conversations inline when dealing with other e-mail clients? Not all e-mail clients are able to thread conversations the way Gmail and Evolution do. With most of them, we have to rely on being able to sort/group by subject in order to keep related conversations together. As long as that functionality is broken, the concept of a subject has to stay in place.
- Curtiss Grymala
Curtiss, I'm not talking about removing the RFC822 header, I'm talking about changing the ui so that people don't have to waste time thinking about subjects.
- Paul Buchheit
Paul, I have to disagree with eliminating email. It's VERY useful for me in the way that I use it and for the people with whom I correspond. Of course, I don't have Wave yet so I may be eating my words soon.
- Jim Hearts FF
OK, I'm out. Y'all can continue to imagine this sort of topicless/subjectless world where email's just about "conversations"... good luck with that.
- Ken Sheppardson
But, somewhere that subject still needs to originate. Especially when we are talking about formal business communication, all of our messages (assuming you are using a snippet from the beginning of the message as the subject) would have a subject of "Greetings, _____" or "Dear ________" which would be completely counter-intuitive.
- Curtiss Grymala
Imagine a typewriter.
- Paul Buchheit
In the old days, when letters didn't have subjects, there was no easy way to automatically file them together or find one you were looking for. I would hate to go back to that.
- Gabe
Imagine, if you will a typewriter NOOOOOOO!!!! I'm so glad computers came along! I had a temp job working on a selectric, on a 3-carbon forms. It was a nightmare.
- anna sauce
I just figured out how to filter my gmail for no subjects. Took a while, but subject:"no subject" will do the trick. Looking through those, they're almost all crap. I'm going to give them their own label for a while, see how they look. If they continue to suck, I'll set up a canned response to tell the sender to stick a subject on there before sending it.
- Otto
What would be a great innovation is if an email program let you assign a subject to email conversations that the original sender wasn't polite enough to write for you.
- Gabe
+1 for Gabe.
- Curtiss Grymala
repeating how the ui might play out: snippet of body becomes the subject for a long form email, or short form email message is completely scannable in the message list.
- karl dotter
Kevin is spot on for why subjects world is better.
- Matthew DeVries
I agree with Kevin. I know I'm late to this thread but to answer Paul's "How do you know on FriendFeed?", the original post in FriendFeed/Facebook is in a lot of ways like a subject. It generates an overall topic that makes replies the body. When dealing with large conversation flows such as FF/FB, this tells the reader whether it is worth reading beyond. In many ways Twitter is the...
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- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
To add on, FriendFeed/FB Walls are in a lot of ways equivalent to being the flat file view of a message board's group of discussions/topics. Without subjects, it's just a bunch of unstructured data.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
There's the expectation of the subject field to be there - it's a hard habit to break now - and it does give a bit of context and scanability to mail clients. But the process of labeling up mail could be migrated into place - 'mail tags', so to speak. Which could work for both sender and receiver and could make mail archives more like a folksonomy - and thus offer more integration with other web services.
- zeroinfluencer
I second that David, i was thinking along the lines. I would rather see the subject line being replaced with tags. Just keywords, no summary. Less thinking needed to summarize the message into one sentence, thus more productive and even useful for e. g. semantic purposes.
- Tibor Holoda
Hey - getting back on topic (we all got derailed there for quite a while) - I see no reason that Facebook really needs subjects on their messages. Since the messages are basically only used inside of the proprietary Facebook platform, which already threads the messages anyway, there's no real need for the subject.
- Curtiss Grymala
For what it's worth, Wave takes the first couple lines and makes it a pseudo subject, from what I can tell... It made it bold in the body of the wave (is it called a body?) and then added a dash in the inbox. Check out this example: http://img.skitch.com/2009100... all i did was type "Hi Louis!" as the first line of my wave and it did the rest
- Frankie Warren
Nope, don't need subject line. Instead, use labels (tags) to filter content (folders / views)
- Susan Beebe
For Facebook messages, the subject line isn't important; context doesn't need to be set. For "business" messages (Gmail/Outlook), it's more important, because the subject line is (usually) used as the first method of filtering/prioritising.
- Andrew Terry
+1 Andrew.
- Curtiss Grymala
yup, subjects with small updates is clumsy and noting but extra line that is not needed at all
- testbeta
I don't understand the problem. In the newsfeed there is no subject-line. In the message box, which is meant for long(er) form messages, there is one for fairly obvious reasons. It allows people to summarise the message and saves space. P.S. I use Facebook messaging as email nearly as often as I do Gmail, which I also want to include the subject-line.
- Vincent van Wylick
Yes.
- Meryn Stol
Yeah! Why do we always need to be formal?? Huh!? Is It social networking thingy or office networking thing? Lol! Good question, they should remove this. :)
- Mohammad Abdurraafay
from iPhone
The whole argument is pointless because in FB the subject is optional.
- Jason Williams
from iPhone
Wow, so much complaining. For subject haters, is it really that much of a problem to leave the box blank?
- Rebecca Sun
Furthermore, if you're writing just to say "hi" or whatever, put it on the wall! (Unless you're trying to keep your relationship a secret)
- Rebecca Sun
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