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Surprised I didn't see Pepsi with a Super Bowl commercial. Are they going out of business or something?
They decided to "put their resouces" elsewhere - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
nope, they have a better way they plan to advertise. - Harold
Oh. Okay. Really? They're advertising... by not advertising. Effin' genius. - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
called the Pepsi Refresh project. http://www.refresheverything.com - Harold
Pepsi Clear. - Micah
Crystal Pepsi - Vezquex
raphaeL, oh, right (brand retention fail). But I just found this: "In 2005 a new clear Pepsi was sold in Mexico as "Pepsi Clear" for a limited time." - Micah
Dude. I loved Crystal Pepsi. - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
We've been enjoying Pepsi throwback. Too bad it's a limited time only deal. - adf
Robert Scoble
Oh, great, now we have anonymous Twitter: http://www.twitanonymous.com/
blocked - Leo Laporte
great like the trolls need more places to eat - Andrew Euell
thats 4 anonymous sources w/communications w/journalists that would be great source 4 journalists & sources. Why should we be so negative 4? - polou/indigo_bow
WONDERFUL!!!! Just what Twitter needs!!! NOT! - Tony Davis
@samuel if its 4 the same purpose yes they r in violation of TOS, but I am not sure of their context therefore not much I can say. lots of ppl have more than 1 Twitter account 4 different purposes. - polou/indigo_bow
Samuel: That's a BIG problem. Sent a test message to myself, but can only block one source address (TA2), not all at once. :>( - Larry Hawes
Anyone know how we can complain about this to Twitter and make it stop? - Larry Hawes
Twitter has a spam account @http://twitter.com/spam @larry hawes try that 1st - polou/indigo_bow
I hope that Twitter cuts off their access. That's clearly a violation of the "serialized accounts" that help to define spam. Will this be used for anything other than spam of evil? I seriously doubt it. - guruvan (Rob Nelson) from PeopleBrowsr
I want the opposite from Twitter. I want exposure! Our new parolee/pitbull TV show, The Underdawgz which starts in Sept. on Animal Planet. - shelter watch
Seriously? Are we in High School? - Charl Lee
"oportunity"? LOL :D - Roberto
Blocked. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I guess AnonymousTwit.com was probably gone already - Riel Roussopoulos
I just send @arrington a "Screw you !" Message. Nice find - Lare2
yeah! what Leo said... "blocked"! - dorn
Just went to block them and looks like Twitter is suspending the accounts. - amygeek
Wooohooo! Great news amygeek!! :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Leo Laporte
interested in your thoughts. the ajax drag to share feature is pretty nice. seems like a few bugs to work out before it's ready for prime-time but a great start. - michael sean wright
Sync with Google Reader would possibly be the tipping point for me. At the moment it's not quite there for me. - Rhys Amos from iPod
would imagine more services are coming shortly. - michael sean wright
Interesting - but it's no Friendfeed. - Leo Laporte
Fundamentally different, to be honest. Try to take it with a clean palate :) - Don Mosites
I don't mean to compare it to Friendfeed - it's definitely something else. But I'm not sure it's something I'd use. - Leo Laporte
Fair enough, as long as there's an idea of what you think works / doesn't. - Don Mosites
I would like to see more social networks added to this service. Perhaps include YouTube, Last.FM, Likaholix, and TwitPic? - Thomas Ward
@Don. I am checking out Streamy (nice work) and was wondering where do the "Stories for you" come from? Point me at a FAQ if I am asking questions that have been frequently answered ;) - Tom Horn
I think it's a great idea to aggregate the social networks into a single page but... not sure they pull it off well enough to use... i'll try it for a while though. - Scott Naples
Also, I may well be missing something, but does Streamy do the aggregation of your "own stuff" that FF does? - Tom Horn
Am trying it here as well...certainly not FF, but am going to keep an eye on it. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
@Tom The front page stories are popular today (and eventually tailored to you once we learn more about you). The fundamental difference that I mentioned was that we don't currently aggregate your "own stuff". In fact, we decided to leave the lifestreaming stuff to FriendFeed and others. May change. - Don Mosites
Nice to meet you, Don. I'll give Streamy some more time. (I'm leolaporte there, too.) - Leo Laporte
@Don Thanks Don. That's interesting. Looking forward to watching as Streamy develops. I realize how difficult this stuff is to get right and appreciate the great work you have done so far. - Tom Horn
Streamy is the failed genetic outcome of mixing Google reader, a comment system and status updates. Definitely needs work... P.S. Hello Chief TWiT! - Randy Shapiro
Thanks Tom. @Randy, Streamy is not an outcome, and will evolve and improve. We appreciate everyone having taken a fresh look at us in the last few days. - Don Mosites
Nice to meet you as well Leo. Cheers. - Don Mosites
@Don. I will indeed take a look as the service improves. - Randy Shapiro
Hi Leo ;D - Franc, a rememberer
Demi Moore
Ok trying out friendfeed....any suggestions?
try streamy!!! - Alejandra Benevento
I am trying it to. Hope you will follow me. - Charlotte Frum
Just a request; can you teach me once you've learned, I'm still learning Facebook! I'm good on twitter...lol, love ya DM - Justin Dee
Had the same idea at nearly the exact same time... Great minds... ;o) - bethany
I love facebook. Had trouble at first but love it now. The games are fun. - Charlotte Frum
Yeah! Vote and RT for @BodeSunValley for cutest puppy! :) thanks! http://www.cutestdogcompetition.com/vote... - Lauren Zondag
Well, give it a good go, and you will love the way it all works, compared to twitter, other than that, it may seem a bit of a lot to deal with at first, but there is so many threads of help and advice here, it won't take long to get to grips with ;o) Welcome by the way... leave hubby outside tho lol.. friendfeed may crash! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Okay I'm here too! Seems cool, have you dicovered anything new and different? - Tracy Ferry
How are Demi? What are you working on? - Charlotte Frum
trying it too it beteer then twitter you can see the feeds instead of waiting great thank you mrs moore - antony march
It's like chat. Right? can anyone read it or only people following you,etc.? - Charlotte Frum
oh. i like this more! interaction! - Keilah Sanchez
me too, i just join this friendfeed right now! - charlene chua
Oh thanks Sam. That's great! Love it. Hope it catches on. - Charlotte Frum
demi, lets start a secret chain.... i'll say one of mine and you contine. i borrow cleaning gear from my apartment complex & replace before anyone sees :) - Keilah Sanchez
Start following people on here... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Holden.. yeah it is. ;o) hopefully more "ordinary" people join.. lol.. no offence to anyone here... :o) :P Just.. you know what I mean ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
hook up your twitter, facebook, blog sites, whatever. This is so much cleaner and neater. - Kimba Rudd
This is great Ashton gets me addicted to Twitter and now Demi gets me hooked on this LOL you guys are great <3 to you both - Jessica Williams
like it - antony march
yeah.. 100% right there Holden, and she gets to keep tweets together ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
This site is great ! I love this. This is going to catch on no troubles - Jessica Williams
Thanks Bill !! checking it out now :) - Jessica Williams
i don't get this? - Tina Haight
what don't you get Tina? - Rob Sellen :o)
i'm not sure- it doesn't tell me who is who - Tina Haight
Really this was around 2 years ago? - Jessica Williams
You are right Sam... it WILL be too... if it stays..IF faceache don't drop it that is ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
is demi seeing this right now? i don't get it. lol - Tina Haight
she can see this if she is watching it - Jessica Williams
so it's just like a chat room? - Tina Haight
tina.. what you mean? - Rob Sellen :o)
NO tina.. its like twitter but in REAL time... and threaded.. demi WILL see this.. then go.. WTF?? how did that happen.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
so essentially it is a chat room that mated with twitter? - Jessica Williams
Bill... I think it was PART of the plan.. why techcrunch broke it.. and why they sold to faceache.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Or she is watching this right now going WTF?? and laughing - Jessica Williams
This is great i love this lol - Jessica Williams
i just got here 16 min ago i have demi and ashton since that is how i got here through her twitter - Jessica Williams
jessica... Tina... sub to me.. oh.. just saw holden post.. and him ;o) then just ask if ya get lost. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Im working on it kk - Jessica Williams
how to sub.. hover over our names... use the pop up.. - Rob Sellen :o)
how do i find my friend list - Lynn
ok ok im subin im subin !! - Jessica Williams
now.. click do you ONLY have this post in your home tab?? if so.. you see it as it grows.. i opened this thread in new tab alone.. do that by clicking the TIME stamp under demis pic.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
never heard of this, but I am willing to try new things. - Nita
lynn.. do you sub to anyone yet? - Rob Sellen :o)
k rob thanks i got it woots i subbed !!! - Jessica Williams
yes several - Lynn
but there is no list like twitter - Lynn
Lynn... on the right hand side.. is your friends... - Rob Sellen :o)
demi?!?! lol - Tina Haight
thanks rob & Holden I'll try that - Lynn
Very cool. If you like PostSecret, you should check out www.SecretRegrets.com. - SecretRegrets
Demi started this great convo and walked away :( lol - Jessica Williams
I'm still new at this but it's growin on me, thanks for all the help - Lynn
piss off with the spam crap.... everyone.. you can BLOCK or hide idiots like secretregrets... ironic.. you will regret the spam.. lol.. NO_ONE will see it.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
hmmm - Sparkles
she could be reading and learning like the rest of us - Lynn
jessica... yeah.. but wit till she pops in.. she will go..WTF!!!!! how the hell.. hang on.. why are all these people chatting!!! ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
didn't facebook purchase or absorb friendfeed?? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
in real time...lol.... - Rob Sellen :o)
lol Rob - Jessica Williams
no kidding - Jessica Williams
mercedes.. yes, they did.. two nights ago - Rob Sellen :o)
how do you block or hide spam - Lynn
Jessica.. you can also send replies to the tweets to titter from here... - Rob Sellen :o)
Yup figured that out already thanks :) - Jessica Williams
lynn.. to block him.. CLICK his name.. block ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
That then HIDES all of his comments.. thats WHY this place is SPAM free.. and we would like to KEEP it that way.. so use the block with spammers... they will soon go back to...twitter lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
i'm waiting for her- this is my excitement for the night. hah - Tina Haight
done thanks again this is kinda confusing but fun - Lynn
EVERYONE who follows her who is on here.. should tweet http://bit.ly/8dSsK << that to her ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
What's the difference between this and twitter?? - Annette Baldwin
real time - Jessica Williams
And yea i was really hoping to just say hello to her i hope she pops on soon - Jessica Williams
OOHHH thanks - Annette Baldwin
annete... apples and pips... lol apples being this place ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
sry holden didnt mean to step on ur toes :) - Jessica Williams
yep he gone - Lynn
Im on here now too! - Samantha Scheideler
anyone gonna TWEET that link to her??? - Rob Sellen :o)
welcome Samantha ! - Jessica Williams
Well, this should be interesting... - Michael McKean
Thanks jessica williams - Samantha Scheideler
:) ^5 to u holden - Jessica Williams
Blamedrewscancer.com - pls spread the word - Liza + = ?
are there any size limits to the characters typed? - Lynn
Just in time for the big moving sale! Enjoy like there is no tomorrow! - Martha
Rob, so when you post to twitter it auto posts to ff or vice versa - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
i have no idea jsut started. i lik this its like twitter but alsso like a chat room in a way. - Samantha Scheideler
lia.. don't treat this place like twitter... drew USES this place, and that word gets spread ;o) now I #blamedrewscancer for you doing that ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
good I hate getting cut off and I'm no good at the new shorthand - Lynn
yes merc.. - Rob Sellen :o)
GREAT - @drew is on here, but I am spreading the word as long as he is not on the thread. I #blamedrewscancer that he is missing this. - Liza + = ?
huh? - Tina Haight
rob s and holden !got it thanks - what else is there to know? - Mercedes(Chris)Ozcan
No i havent only Demi Moore. I literally just started this im learning how to use it still. - Samantha Scheideler
I don't believe it is Demi. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
don't believe what is demi? her twitter? - Tina Haight
this is Demi :) - Jessica Williams
lots merc... just have a look around.. you can create list of people here.. import stuff.. click your settings under your name on the top right.. have a PEEK ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
it is her.... i knowe for a fact - Samantha Scheideler
OK I believe! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone
She brought us all here from Twitter - Jessica Williams
and then abandoned us. haha - Tina Haight
ha.. Robert is.. wrong.. (for once he would argue) ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I know :( but im sure she had a reason i imagine she is a busy woman - Jessica Williams
lol i know right. just like ashton jsut posted on twitter and i responded to somthing he aid and nothig yet - Samantha Scheideler
Uhm, where is the Friendfeed crew - wish they would chime in since they got the payday. - Liza + = ?
Holden... don't tell them that... its Alex... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I just had a great dinner in San Antonio - Robert Scoble from iPhone
liza... they are all users here... - Rob Sellen :o)
oops sorry for all the typos i have acrylics on - Samantha Scheideler
What you have then Robert? - Rob Sellen :o)
Demi, the major difference to me is tha FF is more engaging; if you play along. Meaning, don't post something and then not interact with other users. Go back to Twitter if you don't want to make an effort. - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed
http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< post that to her on twitter - Rob Sellen :o)
Aww Chad that wasnt nice at all - Jessica Williams
Ya and if she is sitting back watching trying to figure out whens a good time to say something to us all that isnt going to make her want to talk - Jessica Williams
Chad - that is wrong - I got that SO many times - you guys never do it to girls - Liza + = ?
Welcome! - Stephan Miller
ignore ppl who say go back to Twitter - Liza + = ?
Chad.. please don't go down that road.. a few have done it..I have made mistakes here before.. they stick... look at the spammer earlier in this thread.. ;o) CLICK the timestamp under demi's name here and open this thread in its own tab ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
yayy, demi B-) ff is the place for all the action. - Gtp19
liza... lol.. you start using this place, and you won't want to go to twitter so much ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I am tired of ppl saying go back to Twitter - get over yourself or I will say go back to atari - Liza + = ?
yep spammers don't last round here - Lynn
Yes, try Streamy..... - Janet Fouts
thanks Holden - Lynn
and to do that use the link in the top bar on this page... email is direct too.. ;o) yeah you can post a DM from your email too.. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
what is streamy? - Tina Haight
LIZA.. can I have a go on your atari? :P - Rob Sellen :o)
sounds dirty, lol - Tina Haight
Rob - you can,but you have not been an ass to me. - Liza + = ?
Tina - dirty is fun. - Liza + = ?
Geeks will not tell you go to Twitter if you are dirty. - Liza + = ?
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << will as MANY of you tweet that to Demi.... :o) get her over here to see it n action... while you are all busy here - Rob Sellen :o)
lol Liza.. thanks... :o) - Rob Sellen :o)
i don't know, rob, my husband and friends make fun of me when i tweet @ celebrities. hhaha - Tina Haight
LOOK at all this thread... how many comments... in less than 45 mins... - Rob Sellen :o)
Everyone makes fun of me, ignore it - Liza + = ?
Tina.. we just want to OPEN her eyes.... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Greetings new FriendFeed users. Welcome to the playground. - Robert Kenney
WTH, Demi might as well save friendfeed from closing.. bring back demi. - Gtp19
Hey Demi..I just signed up for FriendFeed the other night. Not sure what to think about it either... hmmm - Melisa
so.. who needs people subbing to them???? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Robert, I don't either. - Martha
so how do I tweet it to her from here? - Lynn
Its quite funny either way. True or not. - Matt G
go to your home page... post it in the comments.. with your @mrsaplusk too.. click the CC to twitter . post ;o) as long as you have added your twitter username here that is... - Rob Sellen :o)
Beginners can find help here: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and feel free to ask anyone! - Robert Kenney
I don't know, just gonna feel it out..... - Brenda Erdman Velasquez
done but I had to do it from tweetdeck, I will keep workin on this though - Lynn
Think of it as the place where all of your online stuff goes. You see the stuff, say, that your friends on Twitter are liking on YouTube. You can then talk about it, favorite it, etc. just like you do on Facebook. It's a mashup of all of your Web activity in one place. - Steve Lynch from twhirl
Lynn... you will like it here, you will notice whenever anything gets commented on, or liked, it jumps to the top of the page... - Rob Sellen :o)
The key to FriendFeed is following me. :) - Andrew
She'll never see this but I just have to comment knowing that I interacted with Demi Moore. ;) - Keith - @tsudo
It's amazing that with all of Demi's followers that she doesn't get more people over here. I'm noticing a trend: not many people engage on Tweets. - Robert Scoble
ahh that is why nothing is in the order it was posted in - Lynn
Be sure to add the bookmarklet to your browser. Makes posting to FriendFeed much easier. - Robert Kenney
It's nice to see so many new people joining up; welcome to everyone! I was going to suggest some of you check out the FriendFeed for Beginners group but I see someone else has already done that. Otherwise, the best suggestion I can offer you all is to do a search for some things that interests you and follow the people that posted them. - FFing Enigma
Subscribe to Holden. - Gus
Robert..I have noticed that on twitter they tend to struggle..... celebs would be in the element on here.. - Rob Sellen :o)
thanks for that Andrew I knew there was a right way to do this haha - Lynn
Well I apologize to those that took offense to my initial comment. That's just my take: show me some substance. Welcome Demi! - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed
http://bit.ly/8dSsK <<< IF more of you tweeted that to her with @herusername she may take notice... - Rob Sellen :o)
Nice to see her here. Yet in this service, celebrities need to participate on the conversation which is what makes this different than Twitter. - Manuel Mas
It would be deliciously ironic if the buyout that everyone was worried about was the making of FF! - Matt G
Try not to get all caught up in out techno-babble, but a lot of learning here. - professor daddyo
Everyone's new at some point. The more the better. - Robert Kenney
lol.. chad.. the point is.. she probably not come back since posting.. but she will do.. and THEN realise what she missed.. - Rob Sellen :o)
Holden: come now. She has 1.7 million followers. This place should be going absolutely crazy if they were very engaged. - Robert Scoble
Steve: that's what I meant to say! lol - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed
I like old people. - Michael McKean
oh demi- it would make my night if you said something on here to us. :) - Tina Haight
I agree.. but then, how many actually click her links... not many i bet. - Rob Sellen :o)
hmmm. can't wait here all night, demi! - Tina Haight
Scoble: engage, engage, engage. That to me is the point, which is very attractive about FF. Might I add connection? - Chad Gesser from BuddyFeed
start adding all your other social accounts (if you have any), that's the real kick to friendfeed (at least for me), an all in one feed - Gubatron
welcome chad, we like that much better - Lynn
Well I was hoping she would talk with us. Oh well. - Ben Hanten
Robert Scoble: Most Tweets aren't very... engaging! :) - Steve Lynch from twhirl
anyone watch big brother? - Tina Haight
nope hells kitchen - Lynn
NO.. not that shit bb.. not on here lol - Rob Sellen :o)
oh i love hells kitchen too - Tina Haight
leave big brother on twitter eh... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I saw that Rob :) - Mattb4rd
haha! but it's such a great show. and i am still excited about tonight's show. ;) - Tina Haight
welcome. where is ashton? :P - Oguz Serdar
we don't need bb crap here .. I get away from tv and twitter to escape it!!! - Rob Sellen :o)
Demi just posted to twitter I tried to tell her we were all waiting for her but... - Lynn
we don't need ashton either ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
getting a little testie arent we - Lynn
I think they come as a set - Lynn
lol - Lynn
no... I am just sayng.. both in one night would crash the place lol... if they started using it that is... - Rob Sellen :o)
Ashton was on the Dan Patrick Show today and was hilarious. Gained a bunch of new respect for him. - Ben Hanten
haha they do generate a bit of traffic - Lynn
I didn't like the way he did things at twitter at all... told him as much too.. - Rob Sellen :o)
i'm not gonna lie- i'm a pretty big deal too. - Tina Haight
ok i'm lying. - Tina Haight
ark at you tina... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
;) i DO have 88 followers on twitter. on my way to the million mark - Tina Haight
wow.. :o) doing good... follow that many on here tonight and see what the power of this place is like ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I never had heard of it before but I'm trying now. Is it fairly new? - Barry Winters from iPhone
lol - Lynn
barry.. no... not so new..as much as sold..lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
suggestions? Yeah start chatting back while you still just have 175 subscribers :D - BairdWilliamson
Welcome to all the new visitors. Barry, this is about 18 months old, but lots of new features were turned on recently. - Robert Scoble
alright- i am giving up hope on demi coming. have been staring at a computer screen all day and night for work. - Tina Haight
night everyone! - Tina Haight
night nice chatting - Lynn
What?! The Scobelizer is a doubter as well? Tack it on to the list... - iamkhayyam
Yeah, welcome to all... :o) any problems you only have to ask..ask ANYONE lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
I'm not a doubter anymore! :-) - Robert Scoble
nice meeting you tina.. night. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Haha! There you go... she's Verified :) - iamkhayyam
What do you mean, Demi, "any suggestions?" What are you looking for? And why aren't you engaging, er, talking with us here? - Robert Scoble
lmao..... good one robert.. shame she missed it happen in real time lol :o) - Rob Sellen :o)
lol - Gtp19
Hi Demi.You're a little late to the party. We are all worried they are going to shut us out of this nice little cozy club called Friendfeed and lead us back to the shark-infested waters of Facebook. We are still makin' hay while the sun shines. :-) - Karma Martell
Well, if she's turned off real-time she might not even be seeing the comments yet, Robert. Or perhaps she made the post and left for dinner (west coast and all) and will check back later. - FFing Enigma
...cool! welcome to FF. did you beat Ashton here? - .LAG liked that
This is just too cool. - Sherrie Belken
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << RT that in reply to her... see if she gets to see it at least ONE bloody time lol... - Rob Sellen :o)
It seems she doesn't care the comments. - Oguz Serdar
perhaps just not aware they are here ... - Tom Horn
Engaging?! Seriously Scoble? Haha... that's a funny one. One msg on FriendFeed and then she's off for some Kabbalah teachings. - iamkhayyam
probably Demi doesn like to be part of comments, rather she likes to make the headlines, i mean the posts, lol :D - Gtp19
+1 Robert - Robert Kenney
ok gettin mean now gotta go - Lynn
LoL Hi Demi... Welcome to the FF Mob! Now go and spread some hate </extremesarcasm> - tehKenny
Lynn: see ya, sorry about the meanness. But it would be nice to see Demi actually chat for a few minutes so she could get a sense of the power of friendfeed. - Robert Scoble
Demi: I see you're here. And welcome to all the new people on FriendFeed. I'd like to see you (and Ashton) take part in the conversations here. ;) - Dennis Jernberg
aggreed but bein mean isn't gonna make it happen - Lynn
Maybe she is too awestruck at the magnificence of friendfeed to type. I am imagining her sitting there frozen with her mouth hanging open watching all of this going on. - April Russo (FForever!)
yes, we would love to have Demi here.. long live friendfeed... i mean until its shut down!! - Gtp19
Well, you're about to get a billion responses of course, but you should hook up feeds from other sites you use too, not just Twitter. Maybe a YouTube channel too? Or Flickr? - Ciaoenrico
while wondering why twitter just..sits there lol - Rob Sellen :o)
April: That makes sense - Matt G
Welcome indeed. You should add more of your feeds to your FF account - Vinko
sub to some of the others here in this thread.. you all get to learn this place together then... - Rob Sellen :o)
@April That could be it. FF in Helvetica mode is hypnotic ... - Tom Horn
Thanks for that @iconic88 :) Always a good reminder... #love is all there is :) - iamkhayyam
Welcome to FF! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
lol @ Tom - Gtp19
Thank you iconic88 - Sherrie Belken
FF in any mode is hypnotic. I haven't been able to pull myself away for many months. - April Russo (FForever!)
Hmm .. no , I think we are done. This is probably the last one ... - Tom Horn
Now everyone isl just staring waiting for Demi to comment :p - Gary Gannon
nah...plenty more will come later when everyone else sees it in best of day. - April Russo (FForever!)
and if she happens to engage it'll explode - Gary Gannon
yeah, its jus warming up... plenty more to come. - Gtp19
http://bit.ly/8dSsK << could tweet her that link.. its this THREAD .. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Demi this is my first time trying this after you. What is the difference between this and twitter? How did u find this?....Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde
Kim, Demi hasn't been back on the thread to respond yet. I can't speak for her, but for me the biggest difference between FF and Twitter is the organization. If you send out a tweet you have to watch for @replies in response to that tweet, and they're kind of easy to miss. On FF when you make a post, all the replies to it are lined up underneath and it's much easier to follow (and take part) in the conversation. - FFing Enigma
That's the whole deal Tina - Sherrie Belken
Well, that's a big part of it Sherrie. The inclusion of media is another big selling point (for me, at least). Here people can include images, files, audio, or video on their posts and I can see/hear it here. On Twitter there's always a clickthrough, an extra tab or window, etc... Perhaps I'm lazy, but I like being able to interact with it all in one spot =) - FFing Enigma
Demi-are you getting paid to promote these sites? I have posted comments now and again and have never got 1 response from you......Kim Goedde - Kim Goedde
Yes, I see posts that include the pics from my twitter account. Very cool. - Sherrie Belken
PJ WRONG.. whatever Scoble says is the right thing for HIM to do... and it may work for you, or not.. just use the place and find you own rhythm here. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Kim... why does THAT bother you.... do you think you could repsond to all those 1.7 million odd? THAT is why we are trying to say to her here... you should see this thread.. but she hasn't yet been back it seems... NO-ONE owes you a reply.. we learn that the hard way ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
250+ subscribers and counting. I'm holding off for now, even if all the rest of the geeks are subscribing. Not following her on Twitter. Demi, you'd better give me a good reason to subscribe. *switches to wait & see mode* - Dennis Jernberg
Robert:Same thing here as on Twitter. Only a "handful" of "followers/subscribers" engage. - Dana Fosburgh
My one suggestion to you, since FriendFeed will probably be a high traffic place for you - check out Robert Scoble (scobleizer) and see how he handles high volume. - John E. Bredehoft from fftogo
i like this so far.. - wendy smith
A good suggestion - Sherrie Belken
Learn from the master. ;) - Dennis Jernberg
'Crickets' - Robert Kenney
sheesh... her subs are crap... subbing mainly to people who never use the place??? - Rob Sellen :o)
That was just imported - Sherrie Belken
Yeah. When you join FF, it imports your Twitter follows. That's why I have over 120 subscriptions when I have only 75 subscribers: people on Twitter join, and I subscribe to them automagically. - Dennis Jernberg
was also useless lol ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Hey Demi, welcome to Friend Feed. Hope all is well with you and those you love. Think about adding Robert Scoble to your Friend Feed list. He is the leading expert on all things Friend Feed, and usually is the first to give us heads up when something new is coming down the pike. Take care of you! =) - SashaKane
If you use Firefox, download Yoono --a Firefox add-on that allows you to see Twitter, Facebook, Friendfeed in Firefox, and gives a central place where all can be updated simultaneously. - Danny Groveman
thats what I wanted - Sherrie Belken
Can be overwhelmed by Scobles feed at times..not ideal for a new user.. - Rob Sellen :o)
Hi. Welcome to FriendFeed. - Steven Perez
DYDMoore than steve perez. :o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Welcome to FriendFeed, Demi! I will definitely be sure to subscribe to you here! - Thomas Ward
+1 Sean ...that's really FF in a nuthsell! - .LAG liked that
never take it too seriously, always keep a sense of humor with FriendFeed - sofarsoShawn
started using friendfeed recently. i love the imaginary friends feature - Patricio Rocha
*waves Link FF with Tumblr ...I love pictures in my feeds. PEACE! - Rich Weaver
Hi!! :) - Susan Beebe from iPhone
Hello Demi ❤ Glad to see you here! - Jannifer @wordsforliving
I honestly only use FF to compile all my sites, almost never for discussions - Allison Warnock
what a strange turn of events considering the situation at hand..a bit late. but better late than never i guess. Welcome to all the new users. - Carlos Ayala
Glad to see you are here Demi, It's a pleasure. - Sherrie Belken
Suggestions... Well, stop being cool about it and write something!.. - Memet
just play around D and you'll figure it out - Thomas Power
She still not been back then?? - Rob Sellen :o)
ok, i'm trying it too. just hope she doesn't try jumping off a bridge or i'm screwed - Laurel howard
I' m new and trying this too. I see your comments from Twitter on this thing too, are they linked?-confused : ( - Rose
Glad to have you both join us, Laurel and Rose =) Rose, Demi is importing her Twitter stream into FriendFeed, that's why you see her Twitter items here. When you comment on one of her Twitter items here, there's a checkbox that will allow you to send that comment to her on Twitter as an @reply. - FFing Enigma
its like when kawasaki popped in for a single conversation last month. must be hard to deal whe you get so many replies - Robert Higgins
demi! we love you. just showed my daughters your 1986 classic movie about last night. they fell in love with you as i did! - JNez
Has Scoble ever had 385 comments here? What's the record? ;O - Rob Schieber
Nope: http://friendfeed.com/mikenay... Open at your peril. - Steven Perez from IM
Yes, Scoble has had 385 comments on FF. His post just this week re: FF geeks got over 1200. - FFing Enigma
Start by subbing to the peeps who comment on this thread. - Thom Kennon
Scoble has a thread from this week re FF addicts that i think has 1500 comments and counting. - Thom Kennon
yeah @Robert Higgins, Kawasaki kindasorta just disappeared pretty quickly didn't he?... - Thom Kennon
a few said he would tho... no surprise to see them ignoring the threads... daft really, why bother even starting one.... - Rob Sellen :o)
Like, share, follow and be merry. Welcome. - Jim Goldstein from iPhone
FF can be fun, emotional, crazy, and always entertaining. Just speak up when you see something interesting. Like Twitter, but more rounded. And don't mind the doom and gloom chatter that wanders around... some folks just don't handle change well. :D Welcome... - Bette Cooper
I've had lots of threads more than 385. Here's a list: http://friendfeed.com/search... -- this is why the search here rocks. Click on "Advanced Search" and you can find answers to all these kinds of questions. - Robert Scoble
Why can't you like a comment on FF? I hereby like that comment. - Amy℠
we say +1 amy ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
i dont get this - Lin Hill
bye - Lin Hill
i dont know how to do this - Lin Hill
oh right.. maybe i should try again 2morrow when i havent had a drink, cause i dont get that at all - Lin Hill
ok thanks, i will try that - Lin Hill
Lin, what exactly would you like to do on FriendFeed? Are you just wanting to aggregate your items from around the internet, have conversations with other people, etc? There are lots of different ways to use FriendFeed depending on what you'd like to get out of it =) - FFing Enigma
Interesting to see what this thread has become, especially since Demi Moore has not checked back into FriendFeed since posting this. - Justin Korn
ummm not sure what i want, think maybe i should leave quietly by back door - Lin Hill
just follow people and comment now and then, thats all - Lin Hill
Nah, leaving's not necessary Lin. Especially if you've had a drink: Friday nights on FriendFeed can be fun! If you'd like to see what FriendFeed looks like to be, check http://friendfeed.com/isthiss... That page is what FriendFeed looks like to me because of the people I follow (which is a lot, so you might want to pause it). I use FF to have fun and find good conversations. Other people use it for research, or business, or just to aggregate their material online. - FFing Enigma
well, this is the most i`ve been tweeted to since i started, i dont feel invisible anymore! - Lin Hill
Don't just import your Twitter like that ditz, Kim Kardashion. But do import what you feel and read and participate in posts. The key thing is participation on here from teaching something to learning something. - Outsanity
whos kim k - Lin Hill
Taking a look at your profile, I see that you're only following 12 people and not really commenting/liking all that much. That's probably why you're not getting a lot of interaction. Find some people that are interesting and interact with them on their posts. Once you start having conversations with people on their material, they get interested in what you have to say and are more likely to follow you back. - FFing Enigma
i didnt realise i even had 12, where did you find that out? - Lin Hill
Has Demi checked back with us yet?? It will never be too late. - Amani
it sounds good, i will keep at it 'practise makes perfect' and all that - Lin Hill
That's exactly it, Lin =) Let us know if you have any other questions: it can be kind of confusing when you first get going... - FFing Enigma
half the people i`m subscribed too i didnt even choose!! whats that about?? - Lin Hill
Never drink and FriendFeed at the same time - Outsanity
i didnt subscribe to red nose day!! - Lin Hill
not all of them, just a few - Lin Hill
Did you sign up to FriendFeed with your Twitter credentials, Lin? If so, it will subscribe you to the people you follow on Twitter that are on Friendfeed. It's not a big deal, really: all you do is hover over their name and click 'unsubscribe' if you don't want them. - FFing Enigma
ok, thanks everyone, i`ll subscribe to all of you instead - Lin Hill
FriendFeed Rocks ;) No need for anything else! Happy to have you on board! - Neya from fftogo
This one post may beat the longest post by Robert Scoble - Outsanity
You kidding. The record is well beyond 1,500 comments.... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
7k if I recall. wait! why am I commenting on this? .p - Franc, a rememberer
Haha. Funny Franc. Thats what I thought when I wrote my comment ... - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
I doubt she'll participate in this post now - Mac Sharp
Welcome! - Contz
friendfeed is now part of facebook :) - Il gareth in Brasile
up - Batchiara
Robert Scoble
Thanks @lustyscripps for the Lazyfeed invite code. Playing around now.
I haven't touched Google Reader since I started using Lazyfeed. - Alex Knight
Beware Lazyfeed can be a bit addictive - Kim Landwehr
Samuel - please follow @lazyfeed on twitter and we'll DM you the code. Thanks! - Ethan Gahng
Alex - thanks. your comment means a lot to us :D - Ethan Gahng
Lazyfeed? Sounds like my monkey will like! I'll follow on Twitter?....Done. - Jason Miller
You mean I had access that an App for over 3 weeks before Scoble? That's new! Still want Google Wave access if anyone could assist. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Followed Lazyfeed (from @k4sac) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Dave Winer
Learn how to follow Twitter users in Google Reader. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
I started sending some of my favorite Twitter posters' feeds to Google Reader a while back so I would be able to search back more than the 30 days Twitter search allows. This article brings things to another level. Thanks for sharing. - Brenda Young
Thank you, Dave. This is the tool I've been waiting for so that I can complete my move to FriendFeed and use RSS for Twitter interaction. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Davie-Excellent find! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Coooooool :) - Susan Beebe
Nick yes you do have to re-import. However if Google Reader would support dynamic reading lists, we could work out a way to keep them in synch. Wouldn't that be nice. :-) - Dave Winer
Now that would be nice! - Susan Beebe
Dave - the comment on Twitter couldn't be more true - I wonder how the social networking world will react to this ... and if some decentralization might start because of it. Seems like a melding of email, RSS, twitter, facebook, etc is what might come out in the end - gregory leff
awesome - andy brudtkuhl
It will be EXACTLY like that scene in the Matrix where they are watching the code scroll by like rain. All feed converge to one, and we see them all simultaneously. Or not. - Ian Wright from BuddyFeed
@Dave yes, it would be nice :) We'll keep you posted. - Mihai Parparita
Is this working? I'm getting an error... "Twitter returned an empty result." - Jason Hansen
Twitter isn't doing well today. - Dave Winer
Dave: I figured it was due to that, but just wanted confirmation. Will try it out later. - Jason Hansen
I use this adaptation and like it so much I stopped using all my other Twitter apps. - earl wallace
Susan Beebe
Is there any connection between Twitter being down & Facebook being super buggy this morning? What do you think? Discuss:
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OMG, I can't even stay connected to Facebook at all. Been trying to chat with a friend (using Adium) and connect...disconnect...connect...etc. - Kenley Neufeld
I just reset my router twice thinking it was me. - Kenley Neufeld
A feedback loop that keeps knocking both services down? - Paul Jacobson
Helen :) - Susan Beebe
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down. - Melanie Reed
Mashable article: Twitter Down: Twitter Doesn’t Know Why ---> http://mashable.com/2009... - Susan Beebe
Just checked with my FB peeps, and the weather over here is much better. Was very hard to get posting done over there. - Brenda Young
This is the longest outage twitter's had in a LONG time... something is definitely wrong... ouch - Susan Beebe
Yes, FB is receiving more traffic and twitter says its a DOS attack http://status.twitter.com/post... - cheapsuits
interesting possibility: a massive DoS attack on all SNS properties at the same time! with no SNS people might go at each other tooth and nail. this would make a great Onion report! - MikeAmundsen
I'm with Helen on this one - after Scoble's Great Unfollow, Twitter's database is so full of holes they're having to do a massive reorg... - Andrew Terry
Twitter Status: "Update: we are defending against a denial-of-service attack." http://status.twitter.com/post... -- 11:00 am EST - Susan Beebe
(can something be *full* of holes or is that oxymoron?) - Andrew Terry
Andrew -LOL - Susan Beebe
Posterous seems to be down, too, for what it's worth. - Eric Johnson
Posterous is working for me (for now) - Susan Beebe
You can read "panic tweets" from Twitterers about Twitter being down: http://bit.ly/lA7HK - Gus
@ Andrew - there's a model in Chaos Theory where you take a cube, hollow a hole in the exact centre of each side, then keep repeating the process - end result? A finite cube containing an infinite number of holes :) - Iain Baker
Susan - Posterous is back for me, too. And was a 500 server error, so probably not DoS related. - Eric Johnson
So I guess we ought to help the folks at Twitter out and shut down our Twitter clients? I expect that zillions of API calls aren't helping their situation right now... - Eric Johnson
Facebook, LiveJournal, and Twitter all down, to much of a coincidence to be a coincidence? API calls all the way - courtney benson
Wondering now if that suggestions a massive DDoS attack launched against a bunch of sites, or possibly also infrastructure issues as well? - Susan Beebe
@Iain - Really? That's so cool! - Andrew Terry
Some post mentioned a major core router being down in GA, not sure how reliable that is. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
TWITTER suffering a dDOS attack official at 11am EDT - OLDBEACHBUM
Jack - Thank you, something big is brewing here...not looking good - Susan Beebe
Ooooh - let's blame North Korea! (or are we not allowed to since they let the reporters go yesterday?) - amygeek
I'm assuming this will take CNN a few days to report. - Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
Derek - hahaha good one! - Susan Beebe
my FF has crashed every time I've tried to subscibe - WarLord
It does feel like everything's either under treacle or attack. I'm hoping it's treacle. - Dan Biddle
@biz ---> Thursday, August 06, 2009 Denial of Service Attack On this otherwise happy Thursday morning, Twitter is the target of a denial of service attack. Attacks such as this are malicious efforts orchestrated to disrupt and make unavailable services such as online banks, credit card payment gateways, and in this case, Twitter for intended customers or users. We are defending against... more... - Susan Beebe
Thought that was just my slow Australian connection - or the huge full moon in the sky tonight o) - Chris Loft
Of course there is, the two sites are highly interconnected and trouble with one will cause problems with any service which continues to access twitter to update their users profiles - Lillian Banchik
Chris Loft - of course everything takes longer to get to Australia! I'm with amygeek - let's blame it on N. Korea... - Baffled from fftogo
Ohhh... I don't recall Twitter being down for such a long period of time, although I must say I've seen a sudden rise of spam lately. - Bruno Mertins
God, just figured out that we would all have to go back to talking to one another in person or on the phone if this continues. - courtney benson
cnet article, "There has been no indication that any of these various attacks are connected. But it's probably not a coincidence that they all coincide with the annual Defcon hacker convention." (Twitter crippled by denial-of-service attack) -- http://news.cnet.com/8301-13... - Susan Beebe
Baffled I've been trying to post this to you at Twitter -- I knew a hooter / thought - did she have a suitor / or was I too late? /// #haiku #haikuchallenge - Chris Loft
I wonder how much impact (think overhead) those stupid Spam Bots cause for twitter? 24% of all twitter traffic is due to spam bots - augh! - Susan Beebe
Courtney - LOL ... that is too funny! - Susan Beebe
They're probably both the government. Real talk. - professor daddyo
military is testing inet/SNS preparedness/vulns. - MikeAmundsen
They're being hit by a DOS attack, http://status.twitter.com/post... - Rob Fahrni
CNN finally picked up the story. Slooooooow - Derek Huether, PMP, CSM
About 8-12 hrs ago, Facebook kept giving me "Database Write Failed" errors: "An error occurred while writing to our database. Please try again later or contact customer support." - Mitchell Tsai
Yep, I've been getting all kinds of Facebook "transport errors" while attempting to wall post, comment, etc. - Susan Beebe
Derek - that was slow, but CNN is getting better! LOL - Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog - 2nd Update: "Ongoing denial-of-service attack -- We are defending against a denial-of-service attack, and will update status again shortly. Update: the site is back up, but we are continuing to defend against and recover from this attack." - Susan Beebe
Coordinated attack by FriendFeed? ;) - Jemm
No way! Remember Paul Buchheit, one of FriendFeed's founders, coined the term "Do No Evil" when he was at Google. The FF team is really cool, no bad dudes over there! - Susan Beebe
YAY twitter is back up!!! :) - Susan Beebe
@Susan: I know, just kidding by stating a thing which is way too absurd to be true;) - Jemm
LOL - Susan Beebe
FWIW, I always thought Google's catchphrase "do no evil" would have been better when qualifying a statement, like this: "Let the old lady finish crossing the street; don't be evil" - Richard Walker
See GigaOm's VISUAL on the Twitter outage (web traffic data provided by AlertSite.com) -- http://gigaom.com/2009... - Susan Beebe
Twitter Status Blog UPDATE [12:46pm EST] : "Update (9:46a): As we recover, users will experience some longer load times and slowness. This includes timeouts to API clients. We’re working to get back to 100% as quickly as we can." - Susan Beebe
Update: Now FACEBOOK admits they too were subjected to DDoS attack today too!! --> RT @AdamOstrow: Facebook Problems Also the Result of DDoS Attack - http://mashable.com/2009... (via http://ff.im/6fTyC) - Susan Beebe
Here's a Facebook "Database Write Error" I saw repeatedly last night ~1-3 am ET, before the DDoS attacks this morning. http://ff.im/6fUfO I'm not sure if there weren't precursors to the main DDoS attacks at 6 am today, but Facebook was having weird issues a few hours earlier. - Mitchell Tsai
Facebook kept giving me the ol' "transport error" messages - tons of 'em too! - Susan Beebe
Funny. I could not log into Twitter, Tweetdeck or Facebook for over an hour. Then I had this sudden horror that an aweful event, such as a terrorist attack, would flood both sites with traffic and cause this. I went to CNN- there was the story of Twitters DDoS Attack. - E-Advocate Network
Pretty scary stuff, huh? I wonder who would be behind all this. Hope they catch 'em and lock 'em up! - Susan Beebe
Susan, I also got lots of AJAX transport errors & long delays at Facebook, but those happena ll the time. This was the first time I've seen the "database write error". - Mitchell Tsai
I blame North Korea - Jim Goldstein from iPhone
To deal with future network problems, we need an emergency backup mechanism to access twitter: carrier pigeons. http://crankypm.com/2009... - DGentry
Hope they catch them too Susan. I sure was releived to find it was a cyber attack causing the flood instead of people reporting on a real life attack though! I do worry about real time events right now that are lagging coverage due to this: #iranelection. - E-Advocate Network
Yay!! Google, facebook and twitter are investigating the DDoS attacks today! See Mashable's post about it here: http://mashable.com/2009... - Susan Beebe
Seriously, even Friendfeend, via Buddyfeed client, was unavailable a few times. I'll venture a guess the DoS attack targetted a whole heap of social media at the one time. - George Hall (Australia)
That bird pic at the top of the thread is intriguing. Is it public domain? - George Hall (Australia)
Hardly use Facebook. When I update facebook it's when I do a mass update through Ping.fm, other than that I hardly use it. - Patrick
Where did you get the dead bluebird icon? I love it. - shelisrael1
I think this is a definite competitor for the Fail Whale! - Justin Davey
Are they both routed through the same Bay Area server network? Just askin'. Maybe there's a rapid growth of Twitter-to-FB feeds that's screwing up everything? I also like the dead bluebird & upside down FB graphics! - Cathryn Hrudicka
I had much trouble w/ FB this morning as well. It got better after the rain stopped. A day w/o SM is a day without sunshine. - shelisrael1
AP reports that a pro-Abkhazia activist blogger, who uses the account name "Cyxymu," (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia) is related to the attacks on SNS. Whether the pro-side (Georgia) or con-side (Russia) coordinated the attacks is unknown. "There's very little way of distinguishing which side was taking this action, because either side could hypothetically benefit from... more... - Mitchell Tsai
lots Blogger as well and Livejournal. It was a concentrated attack. - Rob Cairns
Photo credit for dead twitter bird ---> http://iStockPhoto.com. - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed
Mitchell - wow, thank you for the awesome insights into the DDoS attack story. I truly appreciate the info and citations you kindly provided here. Good stuff, as always!! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed
Cathryn - I flipped the facebook logo upside down - glad you like it! - Susan Beebe from BuddyFeed
Thanks for the photo credit details, Susan. - George Hall (Australia)
I think the dead twitter bird is cute! - Jannifer @wordsforliving
yes, I belive there is close connection. - eva
Iran - heretic_twit
wondering what the final verdict will be on the DDoS attack and how we can prevent them in the future .... hmmm - Susan Beebe
Down but not own................. - Kevin J Hatton
seems like whatever Google did mitigated the attack on their end, it'd be interesting to see what data google could provide to twitter and facebook on how to protect from ddos attacks in the future - Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ from IM
Mike - agreed!! Google's insights would be really important for future hardening of systems to defend DDoS attacks - Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: @Twitter: "Due to defense measures some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS." - Susan Beebe
Fri 8/7 UPDATE: Twitter STATUS Blog: "Restoring API and SMS [12:42pm EST] Due to defensive measures we’ve taken against the ongoing denial-of-service attack, some Twitter clients are unable to communicate with our API, and many users are unable to tweet via SMS. We are working as quickly as possible to restore our full service. " - Susan Beebe
Why do you use Facebook ? I mean it's a site for < 17 years old - Thierry Lhôte
Robert Scoble
So, who is leaving FriendFeed?
And go where? Back to Twitter or...Facebook? - Manuel Mas
no idea yet.... see what happens. - Rob Sellen :o)
I have nowhere else to go. No where else gives me the high level of interaction that FF does. - Mel Buckpitt
Same FriendFeed as before, I'll still use. - Ben Parr
Of course if Paul hands me a few hundred shares of stock ... just kidding. Sigh. - Robert Scoble
I was going to ask how you felt about the purchase, but now I see - acedanger
Depends how much it changes. - Andrew Leyden
Why leave? - Mike Shulman
+1 Mel - I am gutted and don't know what to do if the main FF site closes - Matt Hooper
Why would I leave friendfeed? This place works well enough for me. - Talon Lardner
Manuel: back to my blog and Twitter, probably. I'm playing around with Facebook but it doesn't quite do it for me. - Robert Scoble
I'm sticking around unless there's some sort of mass exodus which I don't see an immediate reason for. - Mike Elliott
Not leaving 'til it closes, and I'm certainly not going to facebook or twitter even then. - Jim #teamFFrank
Mike: because I expect it will get shut down eventually if it doesn't get invested in, and if it gets no new features it will fall behind Google Wave and other projects. - Robert Scoble
This feels like that HBO Documentary about Brooklyn Dodgers going to LA haha. - Manuel Mas
And, actually, Google Wave seems to be the most obvious thing for me to try out from now on. - Robert Scoble
I will stick around until they move the features I like from friendfeed onto facebook. - BRҰANSAҰS
Isn't it a bit early to make decisions? Has there been an announcement that I missed that FF is going away? Even if it isn't where else is better at this point? - iTad
there used to be a kind of message board system ages back with FB. disppeared one day never to return, lets hope this will bring something of that back, who knows.. - Terry O'Fee
I can't wait to try out wave. ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
Waiting and watching. Robert, I know you have a discussion tab on FB but its not the same. ;) - Melanie Reed
How soon before google wave becomes available to the early adopters/public? - BRҰANSAҰS
Mashable just published a How To Take Advantage of FriendFeed's Unique Features. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. A little late for that, no? - Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around to the bitter end. - Dave Metzener
Bryan: I heard they weren't handing out beta access to non-developers until September. Cold be wrong but that's what I heard - Mike Elliott
Robert, if you believe this is a good deal for both FF and FB - why are you leaving? - George F. Snell III
When should we cue in Titanic's last song by the band as FF sinks below leaving us all behind? - Manuel Mas
Why leave now? Until it is changed or killed, it still works just the same. - Jeff P. Henderson
Same assessment as you, I'll stick around but I need to find an option B now. I guess I'll go wherever Louis Gray recommends - Alberto Saavedra
I plan on sticking around for a little while longer. Not ready to jump ship yet. - David Finch
Melanie: yeah, real time really has me going. I will wait until I get a better sense from the FriendFeed team about what will be done here. I just am not getting the right signals from the team that there will be any investment in this. If that's the case, I'd rather invest my time somewhere else. Google Wave. Ning. Vanilla on Building43. Twitter, now that I got rid of the spammers. Etc. - Robert Scoble
I'll watch and see what happens. IF I feel that it would be useless to stay, I'll leave the site. - TeraDyne Azurepaw
I think the features of FF will be incorporated into FB (guilt free) and FB profiles will be more tied into FF. That's about all we'll see... - Gus
Scoble: Ning?!?! Really? - Manuel Mas
Manuel: hey, Pirillo is over there. :-) - Robert Scoble
I'm staying here until something else catches up. - Bruce Lewis
Robert, I can definitely see the value of your invested time on any service, but for the average user, what is the downside of sticking around here as long as the site still exists? - Jeff P. Henderson
hmm, ning. unexpected, but understandable - Alistair (alpinefolk)
@Scobleizer: The big crowd is not even at Friendfeed yet and you are already leaving? Someone will be by in a few minutes with a drink. Please help yourself and stick around for the conversation. You will be greatly missed should you choose to leave so soon. - David Damore
Social Media is a set of tools--I appreciate the connections I make, but I'm not getting too emotionally worked-up about the tools changing. FF probablywon't function as my Social Media hub much longer. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I like it here, so I'll hang out as long as possible. - sean percival
Not making any set plans yet, but keeping my eyes and ears open. - Martha
And when Google buys Twitter, won't that be interesting - Stephen Pickering
Bruce: have you played with Wave yet? I'm wondering how good that is? I gotta get an invite. Off to beg someone cooler than me. :-) - Robert Scoble
I will continue to use it until it closes down in its current form. - Ashish
Google/Twitter vs. Facebook/FriendFeed - Stephen Pickering
I'd bet Microsoft buys Twitter before Google does. - Gus
I haven't played with wave yet, but from what I've seen it's got potential. FriendFeed's got polish. - Bruce Lewis
I wasn't planning on going anywhere, but I guess I'll be spending more time on Social Median. Perhaps someone should start putting together a decent buddypress site? - Aram Zucker-Scharff
I might leave only because I quit facebook - I hate the mindset, the shallowness, and am afraid (make that certain) those people will come here - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Gus: Microsoft and Twitter deserve each other. They are both somewhat buggy and don't come up with new features very often. ;-) - Robert Scoble
I think I'll be heading back to Twitter until Google Wave is publicly available - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Robert: Since at the end of the day all these platforms are businesses and have to eventually make money does it make sense to keep investing time and effort into building communities on them when they can sell/merge at any time and dismantle the tools that keep the community in place? it seems like the portable community concept of something like Google FriendConnect now makes more... more... - Mike Elliott
The other rock stars are drinking. :-) - Robert Scoble
If Facebook had an easier way of connecting with people but not showing them all the personal stuff I'm willing to show to my close friends (and the stuff my friends post about me), I don't think I'd need anything like FriendFeed or Twitter. - Edward Coffey
Robert: I've played with Wave and I wouldn't really put it in the same category as FriendFeed at the moment. It's not really about sharing and conversing in mass form IMO. Its really conversation with maybe 20 people or so but its much more difficult to focus conversations about shared content. Let everybody know when you get an invite and your address so we can add you! :) - Brandon Titus
I'll stick around until the end. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
It kinda proves a theory I have about us all being reduced (if I can use that word) to channels. I don't think social networking will go away, but as the internet and deals increase, so does the noise. Don't worry Scobe, you still show up in our Google reader every morning!! - professor daddyo
Man, what are we going to do without these discussions like this? - Stephen Pickering
Mike: No community is permanent. It's worthwhile to participate even if it's temporary. - Bruce Lewis
@Gus, Well MS has large stake in FB so I'm not sure about that. I'll stick around here till it peters out. The tech news rooms here are top notch. - Arawak
I'll stick around until they pull the plug. - Morton Fox
Leave friendfeed? what's the alternative I'd really like to know. Is it facebook? - Tate
I'll stick with it as long as it's here and people are still active. FF4L!! - Cass
What is the next thing? Where do we go now? Not FB! But where? - Michael Liss
I heard it's MySpace - sean percival
I'm staying until the end as well. - Mitch
quick! everybody back to MySpace!!! - acedanger
what? leave and create a better version of Twitter? or start FriendsterFeed? - Andy Sternberg
The downside for me? I invest time in things that WILL BE not that are. That's always been what keeps my interest and now that I know that FriendFeed probably will not be, even if it takes five years to totally die, I've lost a great deal of interest in it. - Robert Scoble
Michael: I don't think anyone knows today where to go next, because there's no good substitute out there. We can only hope that the next destination will be obvious before they pull the plug. - Bruce Lewis
With the price of bandwith/computing halving every year, there will be a new one of these popping up pretty quick - Stephen Pickering
I'll just go to twitter. I have a facebook account but I hate it. Facebook is the walmart of the web. - Darrel Davis
Should we move to where?? haha - harri78son
I'll be here until something actually changes for the worse - Dennis O'Neil
harri78son you could come back over to my blog and we could setup JS-Kit Echo. :-) - Robert Scoble
I hate fb. Don't like tweeting. Guess I'll be keeping up with my feeds without the fun ff distractions :( - BEX from iPhone
That's right, Scoble is the catalyst for these longer threads anyway, so it might as well move to his JS-Kit - Stephen Pickering
Robert, that's a pity. I'm lucky to deal in things that only get more interesting as they get older. - Bruce Lewis
I'm torn. What are our options? - Kelly Mitchell
yeah~ definitly! @Jeunelle foster please come down, - harri78son
I see now...This whole thing was a ploy to get everyone visiting Robert's blog! I am outraged! :P - Brandon Titus
Brandon: OK, we can go over to YOUR blog. Got Echo? :-) - Robert Scoble
Bruce: Very true. I've tried to get into FaceBook but it's hard to get the clean conversation feed along with lifestreaming content. It just seems to be full of distracting noise even with the ability to filter with lists. - Mike Elliott
I'm here till the end. - Nolan Alston
Robert, the same could be said about Flickr, they haven't had much inovation since Yahoo bought them, but people still use the service in droves. - Jeff P. Henderson
Don't worry Kelly, a new one of these will pop quickly, if they kill this - Stephen Pickering
Kelly: we don't need to leave tonight. Let's trash the house first! :-) - Robert Scoble
Brandon, that's funny. At the Boston FriendFeed meetup, everybody else had learned about FriendFeed through Scobleizer. I was the only one who found him through FriendFeed. - Bruce Lewis
I'm leaving my account here for now but I'll be removing all my feeds. - Got80s
Let's make the longest thread in FF history - Stephen Pickering
Anyway, for the rest of today at-least I reckon I'll be off FriendFeed - real conversation is being drowned out by the echoes of this deal. - Edward Coffey
Damn it. Why is Arrington always right! - Stephen Pickering
Jeff P. Flickr is different Yahoo bought them for their user base. Facebook bought Friendfeed for their features. - BRҰANSAҰS
Got80: why do that? Who cares if your feeds are going in here? - Robert Scoble
Edward: that is true. It caught us all off guard and we're still processing it. - Robert Scoble
Kind of huge things in this time,.hmmm - harri78son
Facebook bought FF for Paul Bucheit - Stephen Pickering
I'm staying here until there is a reason to leave. Though I don't hold out hope they'll keep the service alive forever... obviously, I'm always enjoysthin.gs too, but it's not quite the same. I REALLY can't see myself using facebook as much as FF though. - Ted Roden
I need an adult beverage. then I'll trash the place... - Kelly Mitchell
I despise FB. Please let them not just trash FF. - Adam Webb
Considering the free Google Wave protocol implementation and ejabbered work together, it shouldn't be too hard to quickly build a FF type service that's scalable. Combine that with EC2 and S3 and you could probably get a lot of runway before funding is needed. Robert, I think the next service you switch to should be part owned by you, considering I bet a lot of the traffic here was originated from you evangelizing. - Chip Ramsey
Bryan: it's worse than that. I'm hearing that Facebook bought FriendFeed for its team. Google Superstars. Makes Zuckerberg get out his wallet. - Robert Scoble
Where will be the next pasture Mr. Scoble? - Rami Taibah
Stephen: lol. Yes, the 50 million dollar man. But seriously, there's no doubt what they really want is the tallent. - Brandon Titus
I'm gutted about this, but I knew that Virb account would come in handy eventually... sorta... maybe... - Linda Mills
Holden, yeah, but it doesn't make sense to invest energy here when its eventually going to die anyway - Stephen Pickering
I'm new on FF so I wonder, are people leaving FF because you'll have to use FB to participate? - Christopher Doiron
Stephen: not only for Paul. The guy who started Google Talk is at FriendFeed. So is the guy who started Google Maps. - Robert Scoble
Among other ex-Google superstars. - Robert Scoble
Christopher, it's that the FriendFeed team's new bosses will turn priorities away from the site we love. - Bruce Lewis
They'll probably cannibalize FriendFeed... nom nom - Kelly Mitchell
Go where, do what? - frankiecarl
funny how many people are joining friend feed on the news of this acquisition. i'm seeing lots of my twitter followers starting to join. - mark silva
I say its WAAAYYY too early to speculate what will happen to friendfeed next. Let the drama of today die down. - BRҰANSAҰS
Bill: I said I won't leave until I hear more from the team. Why must you always be a drama queen? - Robert Scoble
Kelly, I wish they would absorb FriendFeed, but despite the talk I don't think openness and Facebook are compatible. - Bruce Lewis
Robert, Ex-Google Superstars is how I see it too. I don't see big plans for FF the sense was we were the last thing on their minds. - Melanie Reed
Okay so we sit tight and wait and drink. lol - Kelly Mitchell
but there is no time to wait a special direction on internet, It's too fast!! - harri78son
Kelly: My analogy for this is like the female praying mantis luring the male for sex, then it bites its head off. You can see the pic in my story http://bryansays.com - BRҰANSAҰS
Bruce: I agree. Wouldn't it be feasible for them to simply keep the two properties separate then? FriendFeed would be the open/public portion of Facebook and Facebook could stay closed and keep its current private user base. - Brandon Titus
Bryan, pretty graphic and right on the money. - Kelly Mitchell
Why shouldn't he pull out his wallet. FB needs to monetize. The ex Google Rockstars know just how to do that - Stephen Pickering
I'll stick around and see what happens, but might not bother so much with another 'social' web site again. - Grant Bierman
There's this optimistic talk about keeping FriendFeed around as R&D. I'm skeptical about it. - Bruce Lewis
I'll leave FriendFeed as soon as there's somewhere to go to; currently, I'm not convinced there is. - Tristan Seligmann
Also when you are hanging with the Master of the Universe for four hours, its sort of like Bill Clinton going to Korea. Kind of influences you. - Stephen Pickering
Rami: I don't know. That's why I'm talking with you. I just know I won't continue to invest my time in something that will soon get no more investment. That's not who I am. I will hang out with Louis Gray until he finds something cool. By the way, someone gave me Google Wave already, thanks! - Robert Scoble
Leo's going to need a new show, TWIF - Stephen Pickering
This week in Facebook - Stephen Pickering
Anyone here ever feel like we're just being tossed around from website to website by the big players? - Christopher Doiron
Thanks Kelly :) - BRҰANSAҰS
Chris, Yep - Stephen Pickering
Bruce: I disagree with you about Facebook and openness. They are a lot more open than they used to be and are MUCH more professional and friendly than, say, Twitter is. - Robert Scoble
Robert, I look forward to your review of Wave. - Bruce Lewis
Openness and Facebook are not one and the same.... polar opposites. Bah humbug. - Kelly Mitchell
It doesn't necessarily have to be "R&D" but really a completely separate product. Something like YouTube is to Google. Although that's a terrible analogy...I guess the products are too similar to keep separate. - Brandon Titus
I'd pay-per-view to see Scoble and Sebastian Bach fight - Mattb4rd
The Chinese government is much more open than it used to be. It still doesn't meet my standards. - Bruce Lewis
Bruce: also, Zuckerberg is seeing the real money is in search. So he HAS to be open to really do great there. - Robert Scoble
Robert: Any chance you could share your Wave address? - Brandon Titus
Did anyone get a chance to see Youtube HTML 5 Demo? - Stephen Pickering
Brandon: I don't have my own address. Someone gave me theirs so can't share. - Robert Scoble
Zuckerberg doesn't make money from other companies' search engines, so he's still limiting what data can go out. I see FB getting more open about what data they take in. - Bruce Lewis
Bruce: Wave is very geeky. I think the UI has a lot of FriendFeed's problems x10. We'll see how that first impression sticks. - Robert Scoble
And Wave will only be as good as how many users it has - Stephen Pickering
Where will I go? Probably no where. Friendfeed was the first time I really got to feel like I found a home. Other places don't interact and blend multiple social services like Friendfeed does/did. Just as plenty of other people have said, I'm waiting for Google Wave at this point. I'm already a Google whore, might as well wait for the Wave to come through. - Matthew Horton
Bruce: data that goes out can be embedded on blogs and websites and interact with things. Also, if you get into Google's search engine you can get a LOT of traffic, which then you can monetize on your own service. - Robert Scoble
Not necessarily nailing the coffin shut yet here. Going to hang around and see what develops....what seems likely at the moment may be a totally different thing tommorow :O) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
I am leaving at midnight. 2 accounts will be deleted, mine and one I manage for another site. - April Russo (FForever!)
Robert: Hope you enjoy Wave! The UI is definitely way off for content sharing (at least in my first impression) and more suited for group communication for the very scenarios they threw out in the demos. Get much beyond that, or have too many people and the system starts to break down. Obviously, the underlying Wave infrastructure could be used to create something similar to and better than Friendfeed. - Brandon Titus
Yeah, the cool thing about Wave is the problem they solved with the protocol. Not really their UI implementation. I think there are huge opportunities with both Open Social and the Wave protocol. - Chip Ramsey
OK, I have been out of touch and I guess I missed something. I see nothing wrong with staying with all the feeds I am tied to! - Dave Sickmeier
April, please don't delete your account. We lose interesting history when people do that. - Bruce Lewis
There is no Facebook and no FriendFeed, it is now called TwoFacedFriend... - Kelly Mitchell
Bill: I'll be around but probably a lot less. Actually I was thinking that this was good timing. We have a new baby due in September and my other son is just starting to learn to talk, so want to spend more time hanging around with the family. - Robert Scoble
it's time to have another serious look at Plaxo. There are some very clever people there too, I believe?! - Matt Hooper
Truth is, being addicted to FriendFeed isn't a good lifestyle. - Robert Scoble
Well said Robert - Kelly Mitchell
April: why so sudden and why delete accounts? I don't get that. - Robert Scoble
depends what they do with the service - I like friendfeed and facebook so I think it will probably work okay for me - Nick Stone
Brandon: oh, oh. You said it "Wave doesn't scale." Not good. - Robert Scoble
FF also has good tools for using it in moderation -- best of day, week, which you can get by email. Lists help. - Bruce Lewis
I have been spending most of my time on Brightkite. It's a smaller community and more fun. A better alternative than twitter or facebook. - John Ferron
Robert, and yes when he does that (Money in Search), it will change the playing field in lateral ways across the Internet, especially in ePortfolios and other like applications that don't need to be walled gardens - Melanie Reed
Your right, Robert, but you would eventually learn to moderate your use, and a service like this is going to be needed - Stephen Pickering
so much DRAMA - Kevin Pruett
Kevin, the Drama is warranted - Stephen Pickering
Will there ever be an app that just leaves facebook out of the equation - we could only dream - Ryan Gerritsen
i'm leaving, watching from twitter would be a better option for me. - rama mamuaya
I am not likely to invest time in another community that I don't have a stake in. If I contribute it will be because I have a personal interest and am part of the team that runs the show. That is the only way I will feel comfortable investing my time & energy into it. - April Russo (FForever!)
i think that I'll keep posting to friendfeed until it fully integrates with facebook - Carlos Leiva Burotto
Did you guys see Dave Winer's URL shortner, http://rp.ly? Genius. - Stephen Pickering
Jeunelle: Rizzn and Louis Gray and I did a podcast earlier where we talked through some of our feelings. It was very, um, theraputic. - Robert Scoble
Louis's blog post was classic. - Bruce Lewis
Man, I can understand Louis' feelings. Look how much he and Scoble have put into this - Stephen Pickering
I'll continue to use FF until there's reason not to. I'm patient enough to see what happens to it. What's the hurry? - Cathryn Hrudicka
I just started on Friendfeed. It can't go away! - Paul McElligott
Lets start FeedFriend - the Bizaro friendfeed minus Facebook integration - Ryan Gerritsen
Well, I was rather hoping for some sort of joint deal between Twitter & FF... I'm not sure if I'll stick around in FF or not. I'm definitely not a fan of Facebook - Tim Bergman
Paul, that's what so frustrating. Just given time, we know it would have caught on - Stephen Pickering
I'm staying... - Luis
Thanks for feeding the flames, there, Scoble. *WHAT* on earth is so scary about all this? - Brad McCrorey
Brad, FF has died. Scoble made this thing. And what does he get out of it? Nuttin - Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I got you all as friends. - Robert Scoble
I'm wherever good, smart peeps are ('cuz I'm not smart enough). I don't invest much in tools - it's the people I care for. I'm not gonna abandon FF now but I understand that we'll need a way to foster the kind of community that got fostered here. Nothing lasts forever - and that's mostly a good thing in the long run. - phil baumann from Android
i'll be here until either the bitter end or something else comes along ... i'm really hoping that the ff-team will turn facebook into more of what it was before the apps came along... i think that's when FB really took a downward turn for me - Chris Heath
I follow the Cheese! - Rich Weaver
Venues like this will come and go, the whole social media landscape is in a constant state of flux I don't see why so many are up in arms. The life cycle of all the current venues are short and most of the leaders are nearing the end of their lives as we know it. But fear not, many new shiny toys will be bestowed upon us to play with. Now let's be social again! (ps. I'm sure we've seen NOTHING yet!) - Paul Monaco
Tweet: the cheese is in Zuckerberg's office! :-) - Robert Scoble
And for anyone that wants to know why I am deleting my account and not just moving away and leaving it to rot like i would normally do...just read the policies of facebook. Anywhere I have an account with data I don't want to be exploited commercially, in a way that exploits me personally, I'd delete it just as fast if the service were bought by facebook. - April Russo (FForever!)
Zuckerberg is Master of the Universe. He spent 4 hours with Paul Friday. That would have an effect on anyone - Stephen Pickering
Kevin, when God, ie Mark Zuckerberg, says you can - Stephen Pickering
I love FF but I think this is a great move. If FB takes the best ideas from FF and they open it up theres is so much potential for a great community. - Gary Gannon
Definitely see what happens... Not looking forward to Facebook turning this into a free-for-all like Facebook :-) - Maria Reyes-McDavis
Gary a potential for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ - Stephen Pickering
Not going anywhere for the time being. I'm not a big Twitter fan, and unless FB makes some big time changes, it just doesn't do it for me. Will be listening for any other social media that might come round the bend. - Bonnie Foster
We are getting tired of all those constant platform changes, aren't we? - Harald Felgner
Harald Yes! - Stephen Pickering
I say we all leave Facebook instead. - Larry Roth
Herald and Stephen, Yes! More and different is not always better, just more and different. - Melanie Reed
I can't leave Facebook. I have too much built up there. And that won't do anything anways. It will just be a small blip to them. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
so what content aggregator in the absence of FF? - WarLord
My apologies if this has already been asked, but Robert you are very close the FF team. You had no idea this was coming? - Ben Hanten
I'm not leaving. I like FriendFeed and Facebook. - Kimber Scott
Ben: not one iota. I did sense that they were struggling to figure out how to compete, but didn't think they would sell. Paul always told me he didn't want to sell. - Robert Scoble
WarLord: there isn't a good aggregator. That's why it's stupid to delete your feeds. - Robert Scoble
OK, a friend talked me down. He told me I'd be saying sorry for starting this post by the 400th comment. He's usually right. So, instead of saying sorry, I'm going drinking. See ya in the lobby in 10 minutes! - Robert Scoble
I may be dense about this, but why would you leave until you saw which way it was going? - Jerry Kidd
Good question, Jerry. I wanna know this, too. - Brad Williamson
Robert, I think he struggled with it, but 4 Hours with Mark is a big persuasion - Stephen Pickering
Matthew: I expect that the engineers will get put onto Facebook. So, if the smartest people are working on Facebook and not on FriendFeed, why would I stay here? Why wouldn't I start moving my work and social graph and all that over to Facebook? - Robert Scoble
The people I've come to know on FriendFeed are what I'd miss though, so I'd like to take my social graph with me wherever I might end up next. There's a business opportunity right there. - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Dunno if I'll leave the ship... - Wario
When I think about it - I found your post as well as the TechCrunch article via Google Friend Connect. So maybe it is time to join that Wave!? - Harald Felgner
Jerry: I said I was going to wait until I talk with the team more, but the things I'm hearing tell me they've already been bought to work on Facebook proper. So, unless someone tells me that's wrong, that tells me I should spend more and more of my time over on Facebook and not here. But my friend convinced me I'm being hasty and emotional. :-O - Robert Scoble
Mathew: Scoble said early on in this thread that he invests his time into emerging networks, not things that "are already here" I think thats why he will be moving on to the next big thing, like google wave or watchever new social network emerges out of this. I suspect that another startup will emerge to try and fill the shoes left behind by friendfeed. This is always the case. When napster left, you had morpheus and kazaa, then bit torrents. - BRҰANSAҰS
Matthew: FriendFeed=Facebook. It's a great day for both. Cause I'll end up at Facebook either way! :-) - Robert Scoble
Anyway, these are just the emotional ramblings of someone trying to figure out how the world shifted today. Have fun! - Robert Scoble
clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here. - Steve Gillmor
I'm just curious what new startup will roll into the limelight because of this announcement? - BRҰANSAҰS
Robert, FriendFeed != Facebook - look at the quality of commentary/people here - Aaman (Clone of FF)
FriendFeed can stop improving right now, and I'll still stick around until something else catches up. Maybe that something else will be Facebook. I'll wait and see. - Bruce Lewis
I'm probably out. Back to open source for me at this point. Time to take another look and see how things have progressed with Laconica, JaikuEngine, NoseRub, and some of the other secondary options. I may also go crawling back to Twitter. Given a choice between Twitter and Facebook... sigh... - Ken Sheppardson
++Steve Gillmor - Bruce Lewis
Ken you'll be back. - Steve Gillmor
I don't think FB will change it all so quickly. But I do like Laconica, too. - Monique Hodgkinson
Steve you're making it hurt worse! ;-( - Stephen Pickering
Monique: It's not about rapid change, it's about where to invest effort. I don't really have any interest in investing my time and energy on Facebook... so why wait? - Ken Sheppardson
stephen how so - Steve Gillmor
I don't know where to go :( - K.D.
I'll make up my mind when I figure out what better alternative there is to Friend Feed. - Anthony Teegarden
Because we know FF has died - Stephen Pickering
Steve: Yeah, you're probably right. I appreciate the work Bret, Paul, Benjamin, et al have done, and I was really looking forward to where they were taking things... before they were taking it to Facebook. - Ken Sheppardson
Stephen: FF has died? Well, then, how am I typing to you? - Robert Scoble
Tomy, why change? You can listen to the Beatles and the Stones! - Stephen Pickering
Ken: it's all good. they're moving to a radically larger playground, and they can't afford to abandon those who appreciate them - Steve Gillmor
They will keep FF just will make it better - Johni Fisher
Choose I meant - Stephen Pickering
Please stop with FF has died chatter! - BRҰANSAҰS
I'll wait to learn more before making any decisions - Herb Hernandez
Robert, well, metaphorically. Whether its a few months or a year - Stephen Pickering
Tomy: Twitter is like Facebook but without likes and comments. Oh, wait, Facebook is a lot like FriendFeed already. I just commented on Louis Gray's item there. Oh, and there's applications. We can play games! :-) Herb: I'll try to go see the team next week. I'm also interviewing Yelp. - Robert Scoble
But Steve, what if the larger "playground" turns out to be very different from the one pitched to them? What if the FF team finds that their vision isn't shared after all? - Bruce Lewis
Robert, ok maybe you are right. Maybe it will be like the R&D. That would be great! - Stephen Pickering
Stephen: are you trying to get on the Gillmor Gang? We seem to kill things before they are really dead there too. - Robert Scoble
Hey Robert , you make friendfeed slower ! I guess you should leave here really x) - Melissa Taylor
Anyway, I'm going drinking. For real this time. - Robert Scoble
they can go build it again. but zuckerberg has been wanting this for some time - Steve Gillmor
need to wait what will happen to FF - Toni @ NavinoT
I'm planning on easing out of Friendfeed in the next couple of days, so I can get the contacts of people I know on here and who's opinions I value. - Jonathan Hardesty
Pickering: RSS is dead, not FF - Steve Gillmor
Steve, oh yes, If I were him, I would pull out all stops to get this team. I totally understand from a business perspective, all perspectives - Stephen Pickering
business is design - Steve Gillmor
HAHAHA great comeback Steve. On that note I think I'll have a beer. :) - BRҰANSAҰS
Steve, OK, I'll keep the faith that maybe Scoble's idea that this could be a Facebook R&D could happen. That would be great!!!! - Stephen Pickering
Steve, did you see the post about this being an opportunity for Google Reader? I think it was by Jorge Escobar. - Bruce Lewis
no bruce, how so - Steve Gillmor
Jeunelle, Robert went drinking :) - Stephen Pickering
He was saying Reader has most of the features of FF, and this could be their chance to expand and fill the niche FF filled: http://friendfeed.com/social-... - Bruce Lewis
disagree bruce GR has no explicit contract with users - Steve Gillmor
Contract or contact? - BRҰANSAҰS
Wave might be boosted, but has similar immaturity at the social graph level - Steve Gillmor
I don't understand the part about the contract. - Bruce Lewis
If Ning is 750m why FF is just 50m ? - Johni Fisher
users consciously contribute metadata to FF - Steve Gillmor
Do we want Google to buy Twitter? - Stephen Pickering
I like FriendFeed, a lot, but too few of my friends use the service to make it really useful. So I guess I'll leave. - Adam Washington
Adam, stay, if even only for the aggregating features - Stephen Pickering
You are testing us Scoble. - Özer (Wrzl) Dölekoğlu
Scobles outta here. He went to get a life! hehehehehehehe - Stephen Pickering
totally staying....this really is just the beginning....and, i just built FF into all of my Intro to Soc sections!!!! - Chad Gesser
I thought you said you'd hand in there until they turn the last server off. What changed your mind? - Paul Chaney
Speaking of Google. What was the point of them buying Jaiku and doing nothing with it? - BRҰANSAҰS
I'll at least stay for aggregation and extending 140 character tweets, and pray maybe it will become Facebooks R&D, but I know that's a longshot - Stephen Pickering
Regarding the "team's plans", I really don't expect to hear anything from Bret, Paul, et al. At this point I'm happy to let the Facebook (i.e. the non-FriendFeed) folks try to convince me that they're ready to do things differently. That involves more than just hiring a team. - Ken Sheppardson
Well, maybe Paul can influence Mark not "to be evil" - Stephen Pickering
those who think FB has any choice but to go down the FF road are not thinking this through - Steve Gillmor
Steve, Oh, I totally understand. It was genius of them. Proves how Mark is indeed Master of the Universe - Stephen Pickering
Steve, self-interest does not guarantee anything. People and companies can act irrationally. - Bruce Lewis
So Steve, do you see two separate properties indefinitely? Or does Facebook just slowly start too look more FF-like, then one day they redirect friendfeed.com to facebook.com? - Ken Sheppardson
yes bruce take twitter for example - Steve Gillmor
But Paul could end up being a great influence on Mark - Stephen Pickering
not indefinitely Ken, but long enough to transfer enough value to avoid making twitter look like the good guys - Steve Gillmor
Steve, will Google buy Twitter? - Stephen Pickering
you're "VERY excited" about the deal, but plan to leave friendfeed? why, exactly? i don't get it... - Shawn C. Reed
dunno, don't really care - Steve Gillmor
ff was the important value, not twitter - Steve Gillmor
Oh sure, who do you want in your office, Ev or Paul Bucheit? Paulllllll! - Stephen Pickering
Stephen, didn't the TechCrunch article say that the FF team would be split between two bosses, neither of which was Mark? - Bruce Lewis
matthew who says they didn't - Steve Gillmor
That's right. Paul may end up running that thing, or at least be No.2 - Stephen Pickering
ff has been running dev for a year - Steve Gillmor
Wow - isn't this jumping to conclusions? No one has said anything's going away, nor do we know what they're doing to do with it. Stick around, wait to see what happens, then jump. Nothing's happened yet - I think it will all be for the better in the end and you'll know where to go when the FF Team says Jump. - Jesse Stay
Kurt, he's gonna sit on it for a while, see what shakes out - Stephen Pickering
jesse skip to the bottom for the apology - Steve Gillmor
The FF Team hasn't let us down yet, have they? I still trust them - only when they break that trust do we jump. - Jesse Stay
@Scobleizer I've been on Google Wave for about a week working on an interesting idea I have for it. It's very promising but its very alpha right now. You won't find it worth your time just yet. - Noah White
jumping is bullshit, no place to go - Steve Gillmor
Ah - sorry Robert - didn't see the clarification towards the bottom. Thanks Steve. - Jesse Stay
Jesse, you still in the Boston area? - Bruce Lewis
Why rush to judgment? Even if the "team's plans" are off-base, what's the base? And what's off? Experience, resourcefulness, respect for users and smarts under fire all matter more than "plans." Wait & keep seeing. - Doc
What the hell? Just because someone buys FriendFeed everyone has to ditch it? ABORT SHIP, ABORT SHIP! Doesn't really make sense so soon. Has anything changed yet? Is it the end of the world? Don't just leave because everyone says they will either. Stick around, the ship is still afloat. - Nick Humphries
the doctor is in the house - Steve Gillmor
But, if they did pull the plug, with bandwidth and computing halving every year, there would be another one of these pop up in no time - Stephen Pickering
I don't see a point in leaving Friendfeed until the doors close on us... if and when that happens. - Alex Knight
Actually facebook is the most popular rss reader of all time :) - Christian Burns from iPhone
Bruce, we just left today. I'm actually in Niagara Falls, NY right now. Just finished watching a beautiful view of the Falls at night. - Jesse Stay
There's a house? - Doc
Steve, is that Doc Searls? - Stephen Pickering
of cards - Steve Gillmor
hover over the name stephen - Steve Gillmor
Jesse, if anybody can persuade me (us?) that Facebook is going to be good for the FF team it's you. Maybe write a blog post or something. - Bruce Lewis
Don't get so close. - Doc
unfollow please sidney - Steve Gillmor
Doc, Calacanis recommended your book to his audience on THis Week in Startups. Can't wait to read it! - Stephen Pickering
I just left facebook a couple weeks ago - hope friendfeed doesn't devolve into quizzes and walled gardens - Doug Holton
It's the Gillmor Gang in a perpendicular universe. - Doc
yes it is - Steve Gillmor
and about fucking time - Steve Gillmor
Stephen, make sure it's the *new* 10th anniversary edition of Cluetrain. Both it and the old one are being sold. 8 extra chapters in the new. - Doc
No doubt, Steve - Christian Burns from iPhone
Because of Quantum Wave effects there are an infinite number of Universes, some of which The Gillmor Gang is still broadcasting - Stephen Pickering
Bruce, I'll be working on a post really soon. Also, Louis Gray and I are going to record a phone call about it tomorrow, which I think should prove useful. I've got a lot of knowledge about Facebook, and he does about FriendFeed. - Jesse Stay
we never stopped stephen - Steve Gillmor
Heheheheheheheheh - Stephen Pickering
JFC, I was gonna go to bed, and here we are. Wherever this is. Do we all really live in Scoble's butt? - Doc
Doc comes through with yet another metonym: the perpendicular universe (= FF). - Nick in Manila
I would have had something out sooner but I've been driving a car all day. :-) - Jesse Stay
no it's Marshall McLuhan's butt - Steve Gillmor
Is this SRC? - Doc
Kurt, oh yeah, I totally get that and so does Scoble, but you've got to understand his short term hurt. Look at how much energy he put into this thing, and what did he get? Nuttin - Stephen Pickering
You mean McLuhan is in Scoble's body? He's in the movie Being Robert Scoble? - Doc
Nonsense Stephen he gets paid in attention every single time - Steve Gillmor
Social relay chat? - Christian Burns from iPhone
No who's on first - Steve Gillmor
Scoble Relay Chat. - Doc
the medium is the message - Steve Gillmor
OK, OK, Steve. I admit, I listened to Dave Winer's chat this evening about it - Stephen Pickering
yeah I read the liner notes instead - Steve Gillmor
And the medium is the network? - Stephen Pickering
Are we paying Scoble now? Are we his excreta and are those a form of currency? - Doc
as richard manuel used to say the check's in yr mouth - Steve Gillmor
I thought it was "the check is coming in your mouth." Just looking for accuracy here. - Doc
no, doc it's a contraction of 2 of the 3 promises - Steve Gillmor
I forget what the 3rd is - Steve Gillmor
I'll love you in the morning? - Doc
could be - Steve Gillmor
Well, it's almost morning here. I'll tape this show and watch later. G'night or g'morning, all. - Doc
Goodnight, Doc! - Stephen Pickering
Part of beauty of FF: all their shows are taped. And yet open ended. - Nick in Manila
It depends how much FF changes. No reason to leave until and unless it gets annoying. - Igor Goldkind
It's "I'll respect you in the morning." - Sean Gallagher
Oh, I'm not leaving. Hell, I even still have a myspace account. It's just a question of engagement - Stephen Pickering
Good night all. Tip for Jeunelle: You get more attention if you make your feed public. Make a group for your private stuff. - Bruce Lewis
they'll have to scrub this one pretty good before they shut it down - Steve Gillmor
Maybe Jeunelle doesn't want attention. - Sean Gallagher
Hell, they keep Orkut going. Storage and bandwidth keep getting cheaper. Might as well keep this going - Stephen Pickering
Orkut! The favorite social network of 9 out of 10 Brazilians. - Sean Gallagher
And 9 out 10 of the best looking women! - Stephen Pickering
True. - Sean Gallagher
@scobleizer that means half of the total activity on friendfeed will be reduced - Sidharth Dassani
Maybe if Facebook hadn't stolen all Scoble's data, he'd stop worrying and learn to love them. - Sean Gallagher
Actually even os Brasileiros are coming over to FB - Stephen Pickering
My mother is on Facebook. The end is nigh. - Sean Gallagher
there is no reason to leave. I seriously doubt facebook will kill it. - Logan Lindquist
What's the record number of comments? - Stephen Pickering
Logan, I hope your right - Stephen Pickering
Maybe if I blog my twitter of Scoble's FriendFeed and then link it from Facebook via a Digg of a del.icio.us bookmark, it will create a singularity and this thread will have never happened. - Sean Gallagher
Sean, you may even create a time machine! - Stephen Pickering
Can someone comment on what April Russo said about Facebook content policy? Seems like a very important piece of the puzzle. - metalerik
I wouldn't worry about it. The markets will take care of it. If Facebook becomes evil, the masses will fork somewhere else. We're in the age of Openness - Stephen Pickering
I will only leave friend feed if it becomes a facebook clone. I can't stand facebook but I still use it cause my friends and family use it, but if friendfeed becomes annoying like face book then I see no point in staying here. - Colide81 (James) from iPhone
James, Touche - Stephen Pickering
It's a starling fledgeling. The perfect symbol for social networking-- it eats whatever you give it, then poops on you. - Sean Gallagher
Just reading all the news about FF and FB. Disapoints me personally, biz wise nice job. Um not a huge FB user so I don't know what my plans are yet. Like you wait a bit and see.... - Bryan Thatcher from iPhone
I won't leave FF until they make me or there's no community left. Whichever comes first. - FFing Enigma
We'll never get to talk to Robert Scoble again. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving
on to Google Wave. - Jason Wilson from BuddyFeed
Jannifer, Yes we will on his JS-Kit Echo commenting system he will put on his blog. It's real time like this - Stephen Pickering
I'm leaving. Google Wave, Twitter, Reader will plenty suffice now. Farewell, former friend. - Californian
Oh Stephen - I'm not sure what that is... but it won't be like Friendfeed. :-( - Jannifer @wordsforliving
At some point I imagine I will. I have no interest in joining facebook. When I do depends on what facebook does with ff. - Quasar
I'm sticking around till FB screws it up. But I was keeping FF separate from FB because most of my FB friends are my born-again Christian relatives who won't like the controversial stuff of mine that makes it onto FF's news feed. Still, I'm going to look for other similar sites. Posterous is one. - Dennis Jernberg
I really want a Google Wave invite now.. - Peter
I'm not leaving but I'm not moving to Facebook. The main thing for me is to keep the contacts I've gained from FriendFeed and hope we all can meet on another similar service somewhere somehow. - Kol Tregaskes
ditto on the Google wave invite - Kim
you hit the nail on the head there Kol - Kim
Maybe. But i really want Google Wave invite. - ★ Soner Gönül
It's hard to say at this point. The only thing that's changed is who pays the server bill. Ask me in a week. And yes, a Google Wave invite would sure go a long way to make this better for me. - Dale
Joined Posterous. http://jbug.posterous.com Wouldn't mind a Google Wave invite, though... - Dennis Jernberg
Me too, Dennis. :-) - Kol Tregaskes
I will wait and see. - Matt G
Leaving a favorite site isn't always a conscious decision for me. The cool site loses its cool and you just kind of drift off. - Dale from email
Oh yeah, and I added my Posterous blog to my FriendFeed feed, so you'll be seeing whatever I post there in your home feed here. That is, if you subscribe to me here, or if one of your subscribers likes or comments. Me, leave? Not yet! ;) - Dennis Jernberg
I'll be sticking around just a little while longer. - April Russo (FForever!)
I'm here for the duration - Charlie Anzman
I'm loyal until they make it worth me leaving. - Jesse Stay
I'm staying but it's like when you know that the company you work for has been bought by someone else and might close it, you lose motivation and start looking for another job, it's hard to invest time and energy if there might be no future. Not that the future of FF was guaranteed before but now it does not look good at all. - M F
I'm heading to Plurk! who's with me? *tumbleweed* - Iain Baker
Like I said before, I'm staying here until the end. - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Friendfeed is two totally different things: the original RSS aggregation service, and a social network service/community. Lifestream.fm is a reasonable replacement for the former. As to the latter, it's the people, not the tech they're using, that makes FF special. I've benefited greatly as a 'consumer' here, reading posts - if that continues on Facebook, it will probably get me to... more... - SteamCentral
i'll be around until it becomes unbearable, probly until it's been damaged badly by FB style feature creep and riddled with ads and spammers. oh, and absolutely stupid censorship policies. that'll be a real killer. - Big Joe Silenced
not leaving. NEVER hoho I haven't left FB nor friendser. - Franc, a rememberer
The CloneFeed group has given me some interest. It gives some hope in case FF really goes away or merges badly with FB. I like FB but just don't want to fully mix the two activities/audiences. - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Go to posterous. Here is mine: http://pingmicro.com/ - Svartling from iPhone
I'd rather keep my Friendfeed as my "professional aggregation" and Facebook as personal stuff. I blog, tweet, etc. stuff that a lot of my friends could care less about. And I post stuff to Facebook that isn't interesting or relevant to clients / followers. - Gregg Le Blanc
Google Wave is what I am looking for. The problem with moving to Facebook is that I use it for close friends and family so things like comments and pics etc that I post to it I would not want to have available to all of the contacts I have on FF at the moment. Mainly because I like to separate those I know from those that I converse with if that makes sense. I loved that on FF I could... more... - travispuk
Whilst I am not 'leaving' FF, I will not be investing anywhere near the type of interaction I have done previous to yesterday's announcement as I just see it as wasted time. - travispuk
What becomes of the broken hearted? - Joe Dawson
I'm staying on! - Charles Lau
FF is my first big social networking investment (or time) - I'll stay and then move, if forced. I'll certainly investigate other tools in an effort to fill any gap left by FaceFeed. - Jason Miller
I just saw that a woman's twittering her childbirth made the front page of BBC's world news webpage. I don't know to make of it, but I don't want to hang out at Twitter much anymore. - Mitch
Mitch: we Twittered our childbirth in 2007 and we will again in September, but probably not on our main account. - Robert Scoble
i think i'm stayin, and wait what's goin on facebook. i will feel upset if they dont allow the users to make their choice of using one or other site, but looks like they gonna force to use FB instead of FF :( - Dani Martínez
Not sure how on board with FriendFeed I ever was to begin with to be honest... - Gurpreet
FriendFeed will be fine - FaceBook is fine - and so is Twitter - I might check out AmpliFeeder, I suspect quite a few FriendFeeders will migrate there as the days go by. - Chris Loft
Not leaving FF but I can't wait till it's properly integrated with Facebook. Interesting thing: Wave's API is open so there's nothing to stop Facebook creating an app to make Facebook & Wave work great together. Not so much either/or as and... and..! - Matt Moran
Has anyone tried amplifeeder? edit: so far don't see any friending abilities though - metalerik
Why leave? But will be open to see other options - facebook doesn't (currently) provide to me what I get here. - amygeek
Facebook bought friendfeed http://adage.com/digital... - Rob Johnson
I stay on FriendFeed, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc. - Emmanuel Gadenne
I won't delete my account, but as FF morphs into the ball of confusion that is Facebook, I won't be very active. - Jeremy Brooks
I'll leave Facebook if FF gets harmed. And go back to Identi.ca... ;-) - Torrid Luna
I'll stay on FF, FB and T, and BK, and other, BrightKite is not well utilised, is good even on beta. - Andy Ghozali
Robert: If you're looking for an awesome real-time discussion platform, you should migrate to Fluther. http://www.fluther.com - Ben
I'm staying put and watching the ship sink. I'd really like to believe that FriendFeed will have some longevity, but I won't hedge my bets. - Tyson Key
Steve Gillmor said "clue to the denouement: where is the most valuable processing of this event. Right here." so for now, FF looks like the space. - Barbara K. Iverson
I intend to stick around to see what Facebook have planned. I think the takeover has everything to do with the direction FB's been heading in lately, what with their open challenge to Twitter - Dennis Jernberg
I don't see it as leaving, but rather seeing the possibility that it might leave us. FF was and still is just about my favorite site and uberaggregatorthing that I ever saw.... - Rob Schieber
+100 Rob Schieber - Tyson Key
I will stay. Facebook will not Win. - TheHenry
Will wait and see what happens with FB - Ted Kinzer
fb ruins everything. Have the Privacy policy "not "changed since fb came into the pic? Can they not build their own ideas instead of buying everyone else's? leave us geeks to play in our playground and stay in yours. greedy buggers. The second they pull a skanky fb move i'm out. bitches. - seastarerrin
I'm here till the ship goes down. - Lee Watters
Leaving no. Checking out other venues yes. - Martha
Just maybe Facebook will listen to the Friendfeed engineers in charge of user interface/usability starting with the type size and fonts. Not all marriages are made in heaven. Culture clashes are sure to pop up. - Alan Morris
I am leaving Web - Back to Telnet - Dominique Rabeuf
Dominique, too late. The web already assimilated it with the telnet: url schema. - Bruce Lewis
OK so only snmp/ssh - Dominique Rabeuf
Hell no, not leaving. Best service on the web. - Christopher Galtenberg from iPhone
keep using FriendFeed till they pull the plug. Leaving the service will make it more likely that it will go away. - Cass from IM
back to blogs :-) - Mostafa Lameei
I was about to focus a little more on FF but since I heard about the purchase and read rumors about FF being integrated in FB and being shutdown and all this, I'm getting a little ... well.. undecided.. Just checked Streamy, didn't like it. If a.tinythread.com get's more development, this might be the next thing to migrate to. I'm sure not moving to FaceBook. I have my account, I have... more... - Daniel van Moll
Minitel 3815 (?) - Dominique Rabeuf
Not interested in being part of Facebook. Goodbye, FriendFeed. :-( - TranceMist
I wish more folks would see the big picture. We need to focus on independent projects that are NOT part of the Google-Yahoo-Microsoft borg. As soon as a site gets absorbed it is time to find another independent site. Yes, I do realize that some may have actually been part all along and only pretending they were independent in the first place - especially if they were founded by... more... - Gail Gardner
This post was in response to facebook's purchase of friendfeed... Robert is asking who is leaving because of the purcahse - Chris Heath
not because of the facebook purchase... he left a month ago or so... he comes back from time to time ... mostly because we're talking about him - Chris Heath
Paul Buchheit
After signing the papers :)
What's with the fists, Paul? :) - April Buchheit
congrats Paul - Zee.
I thought it would make a funny picture April. - Paul Buchheit
Secret backyard meetings FTW. :) - EricaJoy
What? No lawyers in suits? Mark's setting a pretty low bar on the dress code for this sort of thing...:) - Tomas Remotigue
Our lawyers were wearing shorts actually -- no air conditioning at their office on Sundays I guess. - Paul Buchheit
Zuckerberg's the only one from FB who could be bothered to show up? - Andy Bakun
American big business such a formal affair - Robert Higgins
Contrary to popular misconception, lawyers don't actually enjoy wearing suits. Haul us into work on a Sunday, and we'll definitely be dressing comfortably. :) - Brian Chang
Andy, the person on the left is Vaughan Smith from Facebook. Sanjeev (the fourth FriendFeed founder) is not pictured because he was boarding an airplane. - Paul Buchheit
Paul, that's so awesome. FB's an awesome company to do business with. - Jesse Stay
Must have been exciting, congrats. - sean percival
Yeah, wishing you guys all the best, its been good fun hanging around here thanks!! - Mel Buckpitt
Congrats to you guys! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Congratulations you guys!!!! I love the Teak Conference Room table :) - Susan Beebe
Hey Paul congratulations - FriendFeed has been leading the way since its inception. Are the photos you've posted copy-protected or could I use them in a story on the deal? - Mitchell
Mitch, feel free to use the photos. - Paul Buchheit
where's the ...friendfeed shirts then?? ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
SWEET!!! Congratulations! - Chad Lester
...congrats.can't wait to see what happens with both FF and FB as a result of this. - .LAG liked that
Please try to keep Friendfeed like it was if they let you. Either way, congrats on the financials! - Josh Haley from iPhone
Congrats and best wishes for the future. - Jeff Stannard
For $50m you could at least have hired a photographer who doesn't shake so much. :) - Rodrigo Jaroszewski
FF was the cutting edge whereas FB is quickly becoming the mainstream. Unfortunately, the mainstream does not necessarily equal innovation and pushing the envelope. We all suffer when innovation is chilled. But on the other hand, congrats to the FF crew. They made their money! - blackChinahand
I think the Tiger suit would have been more appropriate! But hey....shorts in a backyard is pretty cool too. - Drea Lester
Congrats! - CG
Whatever the outcome, Friendfeed is terrific. Congratulations. - Ashish
LOL, click through if you want to see pics of newly rich geeks in casual wear.. -> - Alex Schleber
congratulations! keep the innovation coming... - ozlubling
VERY happy for you guys. Possibly even owe you one or two. Are we getting FriendPhone next?? Think Mark should seriously think about 'Friendbook' :) - Charlie Anzman
Congratulations to you and your team. - Maria Niles
just showed the pictures to my students and they were like, "they look like normal people!" Congrats on the deal, onward and upward! - xxx xxxxx
Congratulations, Paul -- to you and everybody at FF. - Eric Johnson
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the team, this is awesome news! The big question on everyone's lips is: Who gets to have http://facebook.com/paul? :) - Fenn
Congrats, and thanks for taking us all on such a terrific ride! Big ups. :) - Pete D
Congratulations to everyone at FF. Whose house was the deal made? - seman
I am sad .. !!! I do not know .. why .. for me its not good news - Nayan
Congratulations! - Made Adi
++Mark - David Cook
Awesome! Congratulations! - michael silverton
hey, congratus Friendfeed team!!! - K.D.
I call this pic... "Six Happy Dudes & 1,000,000+ Pissed-Off FriendFeeders" - Brad Williamson
I don't get the negativity - did no one realize FriendFeed was a business? The object of a business is to sell eventually (either privately or publicly). We should be celebrating their success. This is a huge win for them, as well as Facebook. I personally think it's a huge win for the "loyal users" as well. So now we stab them in the back when they do something huge? - Jesse Stay
Not to mention we know *nothing* about what this will mean for both services. These guys haven't let us down yet, have they? - Jesse Stay
Congratulations to all of you!! - Steve de Mena
The FB/FF deal rocks. Total win for users and developers. - Steve Gillmor
Facebook announces the acquisition of FriendFeed http://facebookmania.net/en... - Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations guys.. and good luck! ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations Paul. I hope for nothing but the best for you and FF. - Martha
We should start a PhotoShop meme on this. - Ben Hanten
Lindsey, I'm with you completely. Bad timing. Too bad there weren't photos of money being thrown in the air. - Ben Hanten
++Ben - David Cook
Congratulations Paul, you should have got more, but I guess $50m is nothing to sneeze at. Have a great wedding anniversary too, I'm sure you both deserve it. Much happiness - :) - Chris Loft
Congrats! The hard work paid off - Becca
Those are the kind of business meetings I could get used to - no suits... but selling to Facebook? Hmmm... Good for someone of course but I suppose we'll see where this ride takes us. - Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
Congratulations, FriendFeeders! I'm anxious to see what changes this will bring. FriendFeed is my favorite site to visit, so hopefully y'all will find a way to maintain the FF spirit somehow. - Keith Pelczarski
No matter the type of big change, there are those who will not like it, often simply because it's change. I for one am very pleased that two of the services I use most are joining forces, and am eager to see the new developments that come of this acquisition. Congrats to EVERYONE on the FriendFeed team. You all deserve it! You've done a great job with a small company. Now lets see what you can do with a large one :) - guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Nicely put, guruvan. - Anne Bouey
Congratulations - Steve C, Team Marina
@Jesse Stay re: "the objective of business is to sell eventually" : Ummm, the objective of many businesses is to become profitable by providing a valuable experience to their users. Businesses that feel they can't do that are the ones that sell. - Shane Gibbons
LOL! ♫ ♫ "ooh, take the money and run"!! ♫ ♫ ;) - Vincenzo Piromalli
Congratulations to everyone involved. Well done. - Darius Dunlap
This is a very sad day in friend feed history. It is horrible because I like friend feed for how it's different from face book. I use facebook but I find it really annoying and I wouldn't use it if my friends and family weren't using it. So if Friend Feed becomes another facebook then i donno if I will keep coming to friend feed. - Colide81 (James) from iPhone
Grats. :) - Joshua Schnell
Congrats to the FF staff, but you'll have to pardon my lack of exuberance. I have mental pictures of being forced to use the FB UI and it makes me sad =( - FFing Enigma
Very happy for the Friendfeed team. These pictures say it all. - Christian Burns from iPhone
Congrats -- may the FF UI stay alive! - RateBrain
Where are the photos of everyone celebrating? No beer or champagne? - Shane
Great match-up guys ! The Fabulous Friender Boys ! - Let's see some integrated mashups and extensible apps and FF UI. Given Google and Twitter a run for their money... Looks like they are going to have to "hook-up" now ! - Mike Schmidt
Congratulations Paul and the team! Hopefully we'll still get the same simple UI for FriendFeed. I'm sure however that no matter what you do, things will turn up nicely. - Ovidiu Predescu
Enjoy! - Paul Mayne
NOOOOO! I _LOVE_ friendFeed and this will change it forever. Yeah - this will improve Facebook. Great deal guys - I can not wait to see how this works out - Ric Johnson
Congratulations! :) - İdris Cin
hayırlı olsun - Sinan İŞLER
congratulations to both parties. intuitively, it feels like the right move. - raheel naqvi
Congratulations guys :) - Yalcin Parmaksiz
Congrats Paul, Bret and the rest of the FF team. Your smiles are priceless!! - mj
Hayırlı işler... - Onur Selek
Congratulations gentlemen! - Mutimba
Congratulations Paul. Yes, I do hope Friendfeed users and community are "treated right". - Paola Bonomo
shit all FF VC's and CO-FOUNDERS! YOU DID THE SHIT! you can safely accept all spam "app" invitations on FB. - AlpB.
Ahmet: I'm disappointed to even be on the same service as you and I really can't wait until you leave. - Robert Scoble
Congrats! Maybe you'll make FB usable again... - Eran Kampf from iPhone
cngrtlti.ons I hope you will understand what i mean! - Atif UNALDI
Great vibe :) - Sharel from FriendFeed API Example
@Scobleizer: Come on you're a genius and can not realize future of FF? Turkey was one of important countries which is using FF! They asked no one about this! We hate fcking morons and stupid people on facebook, and I'm sure that this post will be real, just read it: http://ff.im/6pRmM - AlpB.
But Ahmed you are still being an ass about it, trying to rain on their good times. Go find a hole under the bridge where you belong. You can be sad and not have to come out all bitchy about stuff. Clear thoughtful comments instead of going all into "fuck you" mode. - Rasmus Lauridsen
OK, that's great. I hope you can be successful at Facebook Dev Team and enjoy spending that money. - AlpB.
Ahmet: I hope this helps with your inquiry -> http://friendfeed.com/about... - Clifford Kennedy
@Clifford, haha LOL. - AlpB.
Bilseydik biz alırdık :) - Hamdi Yaman
wohoo, lets celebrate that ff owners for selling the land they have hired us - now we have to find another place - MobilAdam
very nice FF! Amazing team! - @RecruitingDiva - Sangeeta Narayan
valla kelepire gitmiş, fotoğraflardan belli.. - Mücahit Yılmaz
Who took the pic? - Marco Massarotto from iPhone
@MobilAdam + 1. - AlpB.
@Mücahit +1 :D - Hamdi Yaman
böyle önemli bir iş için fiyat açıklanmadı ama 50 milyon $ deniyor. Bu kadar lakayt bir ortam olur mu yau. Uzaktan baksan gençler eğleniyor dersin - Fatih Hayrioğlu
Şİmdi yorumları okumadım ama çok kişisel bişi söyleyeceğim. Bu gençlerin milyon dolarları çeviriyor olması durumuna şaşıyorum. Bizim memlekette bu seviyeye gelecek mi veya? Kaç sen uzaktalar bizden bu gençler? - mustafa can
Bizim şirket sahipleri konunun belli saatler arasında, belli kıyafetlerle ofiste oturmak değil, yapılan işin niteliği olduğunu analdıkları zaman gelir tabii. Ama bence bu gavurların dediği gibi "When the hell freezes over". - özlem yetis - elvedaofis
bu postu türkçe commentlerle doldrmak süper fikir.. sarcasm diil ciddiyim - MobilAdam
Bakmayın böyle güldüklerine arkada buyuk yatırımcılar olmasa batar gider bunlar..Adamların yatırımcıları işi biliyor... - Zekeriya Pehlivan
tebrikler.congratulations.gratuliere !!! - muratt
Sorry but as an FF user, I've just tried to express my thoughts about this acquisition: http://fc07.deviantart.com/fs46... - ibrahim özdemir
Congratulations! :) - Ruben Sanchez
Great result Paul. In such a short time, millions of users, 1 new interface and a marriage with internets' celebrity. This is a period which you should write down to make it as an on-line business case. You people are really wise businessmen. Nice job, congrats! :) - Olcayto Cengiz
Not happy happy congrats bullshit from me-I used FF. - frankiecarl
Frankie, a lot of us use FriendFeed and are concerned about where things are going from here. As I said in my comment above: I'm happy for the staff but displeased with who they chose to sell to. I'm perfectly capable of feeling both emotions at the same time. - FFing Enigma
@Tina ++++ - Shevonne
wonderful so normal so ordinary so simple - Thomas Power
MZ looks like he has just returned from the gym - Joe Dawson
Awesome, nice to see they are actually in fact human still. - Robert Schultz
Congratulations, Paul! - Bill Sodeman
Great photographs showing the very reason why 99% of all people start their own business - money! Well done and good luck for the future. - David Jagger
this is so great! congrats paul! im really happy for u guys! - Jason Pollock
congratulations guys! - Liam Daly
congratulations from me, too! mind to stay (y)ourselves. ;) - Valentina*
L-O-V-E the attire, guys. Did you end the evening with a nice barbecue and a dip in the pool? - Giulia B.
"Hi my name is Mark, I do $50m deals in my shorts!" - Simon May
Congratulations. I'm sad for us and extremely happy for you and your team. - Arleen Boyd
congratulations...can't wait to see the success of the collaboration! - Katy Barrilleaux
We better run away! - Constantine Nicolaou
Congratulations. I'm sure that this acquisition will be beneficial for both parties. - Volkan Özçelik
the one in the green shirt is hawt. just sayin'. - Jessie
eew, that causes diseases - Jim Norris
congrats Paul & evereyone ! - Thomas Mader
Is that Mel sitting on Paul's left? http://www.youtube.com/watch... - j1m
CHA CHING!!!!! - sofarsoShawn
congrats guys - well done!!! - Gerd Leonhard
Business is Business and we can only move forward with social-media applications as we herald a new interactive platform. Albeit thanks to the Mothers of all Mothers, Google. Frank Burns - frank burns
The worst day for us, but ultimately not the end, many of us thought. - OCoG of FF, Jimminy
best moment - רז
Meh. - Sarita! from iPhone
Bret Taylor
FriendFeed accepts Facebook friend request - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
FriendFeed accepts Facebook friend request - FriendFeed Blog
We've been acquired by Facebook! We are really excited about joining the Facebook team. (Note: FriendFeed will continue to operate - see the blog post for details) - Bret Taylor from Bookmarklet
Boom. - Louis Gray
Grr! - directeur
Woah... - Brandon Titus
Uh. Well, that's the end of that. - Akiva
Argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Roberto Bonini
What does this mean for FriendFeed, Bret? - Kol Tregaskes
Lame. - Mark Trapp
great title bret. well played. - MG Siegler
Congrat! So, what does this mean to your team and to FF in general? - Dilip Dand
wahhhhhhhhhh - Myrna
maaaan - Jamie
wowow - Harry Wolff
congrats - brainno722 (Peter)
Nooooooooooooo - Mushin
Wait... seriously? - Ken Sheppardson
Congratulations to the friendfeed team. I know this is huge for y'all. Please don't let us spoil your parade as we weep. - Ordinarybug Heather
Seriously?!? ..... - sebastian☆rocket brother
oh boy. - Carlos Ayala
it was good while it lasted, Friendfeed. :( - holly #ravingfangirl
"FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team." Those are NOT encouraging things to read as a FF user. - Kristin of Two Everything
gratz - Ali
My heart is sinking as I type this. Please tell me that it isn't a late April Fool's joke. :( - Tyson Key
Big news! I second Kol & dilip's request for what this means for the team and FF's future. - Brandon Titus
So it IS true. - Hector
Nicely done Bret - Jennifer Van Grove
Congratulations btw, guys! - Kol Tregaskes
Sniff... not sure if I'm excited about this. But I have enormous respect for the FriendFeed team... so, I assume they believe in the move as more than an exit strategy. - Michael Leggett
Congrats, Bret. - Jordan Hofker
Congratulations, I suppose. A bit worried Facebook is going to ruin everything though. I'm not fond of Facebook, to say the least. - Morgaine LeFaye
Oh my... Hopefully FriendFeed won't vanish and good luck :) - Tarmo Aidantausta
Do we call it FaceFeed? FriendBook? - Tyson Key
Oh no.... - Ben Hanten
What does mean for us? - Rich from iPod
damn here it is... :( - Edgar Rodríguez
*waits for wall-to-wall ads and constant spambots* - Big Joe Silenced
Congrats - Zoltan Szendro
I dont want FF to end - Fee501st
Wow - Shevonne
Ostregheta. - reloj
Congrats guys, in a bittersweet sort of way. - Hutch Carpenter
Oh no! - Erdinc YILMAZEL
I like Friendfeed and I do not like Facebook. Gratz to you guys though, I think. - Mark Sorrell
"Oh shit..." came to mind immediately. :( - Tyson Key
Scott, yep not encouraged by that comment. :-( - Kol Tregaskes
Congrats on the deal, best wishes to the FF'ers in helping facebook get it together! - Sean O'Connor
This could get exciting, especially concerning twitter :-P - Malte Steckmeister
Congrats for Friendfeed team, but I'm seriously worried for us :((((((((((( - Roberto
Congratulations... I'm sure this is pretty exciting for everyone at FriendFeed... We're all looking forward to where it takes you! - Nathan Chase
Wow - Rodfather
*Sobs* - Tyson Key
come on. Bret, facebook is so closed. so different from Friendfeed. besides that. Congrats to the team - Edgar Rodríguez
VERY disappointed. - Big Joe Silenced
Booo. But, you know, congrats. - Chris Nixon
OMG WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SH*T - Alp
Congrats for u guys... probably too bad for us ;-( - Laurent
God, I can see FB shutting down FF just like Six Apart shut down Pownce. - DarknessFalls
Good for you, don't know for all of us - Cristian Zucchenberg
Congrats! - Alix May
Coolest web 2.0 site I've ever seen & used. I hope things don't derail. Ads will be coming soon, which is fine, but.... then what 's next? Please no quizzes! - Ben Hanten
Who would have thought that after Facebook were shamelessly being "inspired" by FriendFeed, the inevitable would have happened? - Tyson Key
Congrats! - Moushumi Kabir
Congrats guys. :) - Meryn Stol
Congratulations. This is awesome for you and for Facebook. - Mike Sego
mommy? - Josh Haley
Hey guys, keep in mind that Facebook is blocked in workplaces across the nation. 250 million casual users commenting about last night's party does not intelligent conversation make. - Hector
Tragic. - Shannon
I really can't see how FB would buy FF only to shut it down. There are way too many innovations and features FF has that FB honestly needs. I'm looking forward. - Harry Wolff
congrats! - Jay from Cadmus
Congrats? Everybody who's saying Congrats doesn't know what he's saying. Go to hell. - zio bodhisattva
Yeah, quizzes are EVIL! - Tarmo Aidantausta
Oh, this does not make me happy. Not at all! I've stayed off of Facebook intentionally and FriendFeed is my favorite social network. This is like when the Red Sox traded Babe Ruth to the Yankees. :>( - Larry Hawes
i have stopped using FB for the most part and liked FF alot more. now FF will go the way of FB. screwed again. - Big Joe Silenced
Berge Gazen beat your score in Mafia Wars - Berge Gazen
Feedface or Facefeed? - Fee501st
FUCK THAT ! [Anyways good job guys ^^] - TiTi
Enjoy your fat paychecks, guys. You've sold us out. - Akiva
Bravo Bret! Been following your successes ever since we had the opportunity to work together on the YellowPages.ca / Google Maps Canada deal. Congrats! - Sebastien
I wished it was Google or even Yahoo!, instead... - Tyson Key
i really hope ff stays as it is. fb is kinder carder while ff is a great tool. - jkkmobile
Not sure what to make of this. It could eiter be a big win or a huge fail. - dorn
It could have been Microsoft, which would have been worse for everyone. :( - Tyson Key
Can I take this opportunity to say I HATE facebook? - Alex Scrivener
seems the only ppl happy here are the ones in the biz or who stand to profit from the merger. - Big Joe Silenced
I guess we should get ready to get poked by our supposed friends and have various shit thrown at us? Plus 5,000 requests by apps that nearly all suck. - Joey Gibson
duh - aybars badur
I HATE facebook - Pedram
this is simply awful. - Big Joe Silenced
Painful. And apparently I completely misunderstood what FF was trying to accomplish both technically and as an organization. I guess Facebook must have dangled a pretty big bag of money in front of them. - Ken Sheppardson
FriendFeed is Dead! Long Live FriendFeed! :/ - Tyson Key
Facebook is going to acquire the web! - gigicogo
To me, FriendFeed is like Porsche and Facebook a Kia. I'm curious to see which will become which.. - Moushumi Kabir
Oh noes! - Burcu Dogan
Congrats Bret! - Robin Dindayal
I will reserve judgement, i don't like or use FB but if FF maintains it's current goodness i don't care who cuts the checks. - Steve C, Team Marina
I hope this doesn't turn into an APP filled hunk of crap. I love FriendFeed, it was the untouched gem of microblogging. I don't want Mafia Wars invited in my FriendFeed!!! Congrats on the sale though. - Jay 'Farmington'
Where's the "dislike" option? - Gregor Morrill
+1 Gregor - Tyson Key
accipicchia che pessima notizia - massimo mantellini
I just realized this is like when K-mart bought Sears ... - DarknessFalls
/ponders the meaning of "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being." - Philipp Lenssen
And I will officially be leaving FriendFeed today. - Michael Forian
omg - John Mueller
@Philipp: until the new masters start flexing their muscles and bringing in their own people to enforce their own vision. - Big Joe Silenced
I read the blog post and one statement stands out to me "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally for the time being." The time being. This is not just bad, I think it may be #FAIL - berchman
OMG! - Zac Bowling
big mistake :(( - emresezgin
Oh. Hell. No. - CannonGod
Oh My God! They Killed FriendFeed! - Tyson Key
It's a win/win! congrats all. - Alan Le
Congrats to you. - Evan Travers
Congratulations. I look forward to seeing what this new partnership means for users. - Aren Grimshaw
FF will surely be integrated into FB at some point? - Kol Tregaskes
damn Ken is spot on! +1000 Ken! - vijay
not good. - Jacque
Oh. My. Gosh. - Enrico L
Facebook obviously liked FriendFeed a long time ago. Why would they have copied so many features (feed item comments and the "Like" action, to name a couple) otherwise? It was only logical for this to happen eventually. Doesn't mean I like it, but acquisition is part of the game. I have the same feeling I did when SocialThing! was acquired by AOL, though. - dgw
"Relationship Status: It's complicated" comes to mind. ;) - Tyson Key
Wow, I finally sign up, and read this. This could end up being a very bad thing for FF fans: "Your FriendFeed friend just signed up on this poll, would you like to too?" - Brian Bommarito
sad... - Marvin
This will give FriedFeed the attention it deserves. Otherwise it would have been a geek thing forever. - Michael Netsch
aw, this sux!! Congrats to the Friendfeed team though! - acedanger
please don't merge logins!!! please - earlyadopter
They are deceived when they suffer themselves to be drawn after the image of things, without seeking for the true reason of them. - The Complex Days
I hope it works OK to you guys! - Rodrigo Jaroszewski
+1 Netsch - I still like FF more but this finally legitimizes FF to the mainstream. - Daniel J. Pritchett
Friend request una beata fava. Pecunia non olet. - Federico Bolsoman
Yeah, I really can't wait to see what value the Ashton Kutchers and Oprahs of the world have to add to FriendFeed. - Akiva
Please tell me this is a delayed April Fools' Day joke. - Rochelle
Facebook & FriendFeed: don't cross the lifestreams! D:< - CannonGod
I guess this means I'll have toget a facebook account after all.... Hope the API stays up and running.... - Roberto Bonini
"Were rich B!tch!" - Chappelle - adolfo foronda
What a bunch of greedy assholes. - zio bodhisattva
Does this mean that we'll be seeing an influx of webcam spammers, a la Twitter? Along with abolishment of the rooms feature, crappification of the search feature, and more "privacy features" that really just put more nails in the openness coffin? - Tyson Key
Some people will do whatever their friends request........ - Michael Muller
I really don't see why people would be anything but excited about this Facebook freindfeed deal. Great news as far as I am concerned. The Friend feed team is going to go over facebook and make it that much easier to connect, share... isn't that what the social web is about? - Kevin Murray
I know a lot of people who use Facebook and enjoy it and that's fair enough. It's just not my cup of tea. The chaps from Friendfeed will get rich and the technology will get absorbed in Facebook but I can't see Friendfeed continuing in anything like it's present form. - Paul Nash
Don't be so negative, something good might eventually come of this... - Tarmo Aidantausta
Congrats! I know you all must be crazy excited right now. - Michele Lorito-Chase
chance for FriendFeed to become more mainstream... congrats FriendFeed team! - Jeroen De Miranda
Nothing could make me happier than if they integrated the good tools from FriendFeed into Facebook, which is where all my friends are. So a big "yay!" from me. - Ian Betteridge
happy for you guys, but not for all of us - Flavio
congratulations. this is going to be interesting. - Dave Beckett
I think I preferred the non-mainstream version of FriendFeed... - Tyson Key
I'm turning on my black shirt, my black trouser, my black socks, my black shoes. Although I probably must be happy for you. - Ton Zijp
NASTY NASTY BAD BAD. But we'll see... - Daniel Morgan
Game over. - stark
Reminds me so much of Last.fm fall... - Marcos
Facebook is like a giant who listens to nobody. Please keep your attitude but I don't think you will be able to do so. - Burak "cyrus" Bayburtlu
Noooooooo...... - Sung W. Lim
yeahhh - Çağrı
I don't know, Like it? or dislike it? - Ömer Balamir
What happens to all the content that we've created and imported here, and the associated metadata? Will all that disappear into the ether? - Tyson Key
If the FriendFeed guys can make FaceBook useful and responsive again, this seems like a pretty positive step! - Robin Barooah
I have big loss of data concerns. See http://ff.im/6pHjo Is there any way to archive all my FriendFeed posts, likes, comments, and pictures (friendfeed-media.com) off-line? Can some Archive.org-like snapshots of FriendFeed be made (Once a month starting Sept 2009)? I'd like to see the cross-links between my posts & other people's posts, even in 2020. - - Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell: the FriendFeed site is not shutting down. Your data will not go away any time in the near term future - we are committed to our users. - Bret Taylor
I just overheard a coworker mention FriendFeed. This is how the world ends... - CannonGod
Then provide us with a way to easily make a back-up of all of our posts and all of the posts we have Liked and Commented on. - Akiva
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want it to be handed off to Facebook. - zio bodhisattva
Near term future? - Kol Tregaskes
I don't see good things coming from this. Although I like Facebook, I liked Friendfeed more. Partly because of the environment and the smallness of it. That is now going to be ruined. So, 10-1 odds that Friendfeed will be no more within a year after it gets intergrated into Facebook? - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I doubt it Robin. Bret can only give us assurances about the "near future." Here's what I think will happen. Just like Twitter acquired Rael Dornfest and his awesome web services, Stikkit and I Want Sandy vanished (and so did he), Facebook will acquire all the talent from Friendfeed, shut this service down and Facebook will continue to suck. - Jim #teamFFrank
Same question as Mitchel Tsai. How do I export my data? I don't want anything to be handed off to Facebook. And I don't want to lose anything. - zio bodhisattva
Congrats obviously, but im not sure about the feeling,, different user groups which can not integrate but collide.. hope there wont be an huge integration in the future. - Yunus Tunak
I'm happy for FriendFeed! But, at the same time a bit worried about the future. Hope you guys convince FB to not be evil too. - Vishal Verma
Let's hope this is like Disney's acquisition of Pixar - wherein the Pixar guys ended up in control of the animation studio... - Robin Barooah from IM
Where the f*ck is this option to undo ? - Laurent
I seriously thought this was a joke. Looks like its not. I don't like it, sorry. - Michael Lynton
Does anyone want to start a bounty to purchase Facebook? ;) - Tyson Key
Congratulations! - John Craft
can't be, shouldn't be... - Kemal Y.
It is! Change is inevitable, my friends. - Bill Sodeman
Jim, I'm less cynical than you - the FriendFeed founders wouldn't do this just in order to become 'talent' at FaceBook. - Robin Barooah
I feel if I should be wearing a black arm band. But I guess when I think about it.............. - Kevin J Hatton
Oh No! I don't like this at all :( - Peter
I still think Apple will acquire Facebook, Twitter Friendfeed and Google Twitter. - Thomas Power
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! - Stephen Francoeur
My condolences to all Friendfeeders! RIP! - Evgeni Leshtanski
AAAAwwwful! - carolh
I can't believe it! damn! facebook tos will apply to friendfeed too? should i start to move to another service? why anyone would think that facebook public is friendfeed public?! damn! friedfeed was my favorite! I can't understand this move! they want to kill friendfeed or what? - paula simoes ☃
"I bet I can find 1.000.0000 people who dislike this deal."...Welcome to FriendBook. - Jacque
Well, huge congraulations to you and your team, you deserve every success. To be honest I had presumed this would happen sooner or later - the only business model cool little startups have is to hope they get bought by someone bigger for their brains and technology. I'm going to be in San Francisco in a couple of weeks and was going to stop by your office to bring you a cake and thank you for a great product - maybe I still will if you're still there and there's still a FriendFeed! - Alex Lomas
damn, damn, damn... - Kemal Y.
Grats Bret and the rest of FF. To all the naysayers... Lets see what happens before we start bitching.... - Rasmus Lauridsen
wow!! dazed and confused!! - Roberto Arancibia
I don't hate Facebook, but for sharing things Friendfeed is MUCH MUCH better! - Mathew™ aka Youngblood
I wonder if that Ben Darnell guy who *just* left the Google reader team knew about this beforehand? Wonder what he's thinking now? (http://friendfeed.com/friendf...) - Daniel J. Pritchett
Just great. I'm certainly not very happy about this. Let's just hope FB doesn't ruin FF. Ugh. - axolote
Who cares? Nothing's gonna change in our pitiful lifes. - bluretina
This ties in nicely with the fact that you soon will have the opportunity to make your Facebook profiles public and get followers there. - Michael Netsch
чатег номер два - старина хэнк
Congrats Bret! this is so great! many congrats!!! - Jason Pollock
Is it April 1st somewhere in the universe? - Robert Felty
#ROFLMAO Is there anything more important than money? It seems NOT #ROFLMAO - Lora Lufark
I don't mean to be negative but there's got to be a win-win logic to each merger&acquisiton. Audience high in only quantity is clearly not a win for friendfeed in the long term by considering its unique selling points. Let's wait and see who will benefit from friendfeed's death now. - ayca
Seriously, what is this? It's like Bret just announced that he's killed all your mothers or something. It could turn out good, it could turn out bad, but at the end of the day, who cares, it's just a website (I mean honestly, come on). I could see it going either way, but in the near term, this is a pretty big win for the FF team, so congrats guys. - Chieze Okoye
OMG! - keso
To be honest, my heart sank a little but I am happy to congratulate you and the team for building such a good brand. Well done. - Kevin J Hatton
Wow, I specifically use friendfeed b/c it is not facebook. Sounds great for the friendfeed team, but not necessarily for friendfeed users. - Evan Parker
Born to be sold, like in the old "new economy" era. Remember the late nineties? - Federico Bolsoman
Sudden desire to check out Strands again... but hey, kudos on the incoming $$ for FF team - Leslie Poston
This is wisdom. Bracing for Google Wave is a good idea............. - Kevin J Hatton
this is clearly a talent aquisition... why am i not excited about this? could it be because facebook has been blatantly stealing features from friendfeed shamelessly. Likes were clearly not an original facebook idea...realtime feeds is another i could go on... - Tate
While I'm sad, because I suspect this means the best things about FF will disappear or I'll be forced to use FB in some way, if the buyout was for some awesome amount of money, I can't say I blame 'em for taking an offer -- I would. - Andy Bakun
I came to FriendFeed because I don't like facebook. Now the question is, will facebook become more like friend feed? or will they just take friend feed and turn it into facebook? - Tom Ray
FF could be a good R&D arm for facebook. - Andy Bakun
Fucking morons. FriendFeed is doomed now. Think logically. Facebook has NO REASON to keep FriendFeed alive. It will simply take FF's best features, suck the life of out of it, then trash FF. Way to go, FirnedFeed, damn. - Jeremy Buff
Big Fail! - onurc
This announcement should have been held off until the plans for Friendfeed were known. Regardless, this is *bad* for FF users. Best case: it continues on, but with stagnated feature development. Worst case: it's gone. - tollie williams
wtf ?! - Umut Balkan
I need to install "super PUKE" application ! - Bart LePoole
FFail. - rowlikeagirl
I don't want my FF feed on Facebook :( I use both, but maintain both profiles separate - Leandro Ardissone ⍨
Sigh... Happy for the team if this is what they want, but baffled by the move. The users that are going to leave because of this will make FF a graveyard and the users it gains, well... Hello spam? Sorry, but I don't like it. - Vince DeGeorge from iPhone
JEREMY+++++1 - AlpB.
Wow! - felix
Jeremy +1 - batuhan
so what's next? where should we go? - Flavio
It's been fun here. - Capn' One Eye - adrift
Dang, and just as I was starting to get used to how FF works. FF is useful on it's own. I hope this only improves FF's system, rather than having it disappear into Facebook's wake. - Don Faulkner
furthermore they are 2 different things: I follow a lot of people here that are not in my facebook list, which is for IRL friends! - Flavio
I don't know where to go next either. I had just settled down to make imaginary friends for all my non-FF tweeps, etc. now, I'm not sure if I should bother. - Don Faulkner from IM
I hope friendfeed continues to operate normally but it does not look good. - Ashish
integrate best features of ff to fb, then try to innovate in fb if possible, then kill ff... that's it, cheers, all the best. grrrr... - Kemal Y.
niczak has good points. FF & FB aren't exactly competitors, but they aren't orthogonal either. Let's hope FB's smart enough to see the difference and improve both platforms. - Don Faulkner from IM
Nicholas: The upside for Facebook is they just bought an engineering team that's built many of the feature's Facebook's going to need to stay competitive. The upside for FriendFeed's engineering team is $$$ and the ability to build system for a wider audience. FriendFeed's user base is small enough that it'll either get absorbed into Facebook or move on, and FF will become a footnote on the Internet timeline. - Ken Sheppardson
first tr.im (heard about it yesterday), now this. I wasn't a heavy tr.im user (yet), but sad to see it go, even if I think url shortening is silly. - Don Faulkner from IM
As FB said they're interested in the people and not in the site, what if the community will keep running FF without its current staff? - Flavio
Congratulations! - Sam Grover
rutgerblom, I don't expect they do either, thus my angst over this. - Don Faulkner from IM
if there's a team willing to do it and money, and if we accept some ads as everywhere else, we could make a new FF without FB - Flavio
I have worked hard in avoiding signing up for FB. Does this mean I now automatically will be on FB by virtue of my FF account? - Tony Vota from iPhone
I'll have to go with Flavio's position too. Given this news (plus tr.im and who knows who's next), I'd tend to favor community supported or federated services for things like this in the future. - Don Faulkner from IM
I am purposely not on facebook because I don't really want to talk to people I have not talked to in 20 years. - Andy Bakun
Congrat Bret!! :)) - Cihan Cepni
trouble is (from my perspective), that the philosophies of the two platforms are at odds. FB wants to bring people to the site and keep them there, while FF is a hub, bringing people in and then sending them back out. (That's part of why it's hard for the newcomer to understand, IMHO.) - Don Faulkner from IM
This almost confirms FF will disappear: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Kol Tregaskes
Does this mean I can throw someone a sheep on FriendFeed now? - Pinksy
I sure hope so, Rutger. I glad for their success too. I just hope there's a next best thing out there for us. - Don Faulkner from IM
Congrats all. Nice work, in spite of any naysaying out there. Keep up the innovation. - Tomas Remotigue
lame. - andy brudtkuhl
post the picture to failblog... - Kemal Y.
Quote «Taylor and Cox say that the Friendfeed product will live on independently, and eventually Friendfeed will be merged into Facebook. But the Friendfeed team is not being kept whole. Some employees will now report to Cox, others to engineering head Mike Schroepfer. In my opinion that means, long term, the Friendfeed product itself is unlikely to be a big priority.¶ But Facebook is... more... - Philipp Lenssen
+1 Kol for the techcrunch article! - Don Faulkner from IM
techcrunch: "Cox agreed, noting that Facebook is focused on being a platform and a service, and not just a destination site." I certainly hope so! - Don Faulkner from IM
Brilliant move by both Facebook and friendfeed. Congratulations!!! I have theories of what they have planned, but I doubt you would verify any of them. This is going to go so well with their SocialTV which they have been developing. I'm so happy for you! - Michael Fidler
Really saddened by this news. - Doug Beeferman
Noooooooooooooooooooooo! - Zulkarnain K.
I don't see what's so bad about it since no one knows right now what the outcome will be, everyone is just making assumptions that could possibly be wrong..... Might help just sitting back and seeing what happens first before complaining. - ChaCha Fance
Nooooooooooooooaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrghh! I´ve resisted getting a facebook acct for so long... - ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
I wonder how the discussion over on facebook would compare to this? - Don Faulkner from IM
Drat! - Gee Ekachai
Congrats, FF! I'm approaching the situation with cautious optimism. A lot of my friends only share stuff via the Facebook wall/feed, so if Facebook is able to make their feed more like the FF feed (i.e. good, instead of sucktacular) through this acquisition, it's mostly a win for me in the end. - Brian Chang
/me pokes Rutger. (just getting in practice. ;) - Don Faulkner from IM
Where will we go for the FFunderCats, bacon memes, and angry artists fighting over photo reshares now? ;) - Tyson Key
@josh: do you think FB will throw away all the crap people use? various quiz, pick 5 and so on? - Flavio
@jc: our data will not go away in the near future. what will be in few months? in a year? - Flavio
Let's see if you can do a bit better than just not being evil this time around. - Tim Tyler
Wooohooo!!, seems like we are being sent back to "good" old Facebook. Congrats Bret!! - DanDan
Looks like I'm going to repeat the same thing many others did. My first reaction was "Oh my..." I have refused to join Facebook due to its philosophy while I have been with FriendFeed from the beginning for its. I'm sad and somewhat apprehensive. - Sean Leather
Hmm. Interesting. - Ralf Becker
Add me to the fearful group. - beersage
Please say that facebook.com will be shutting down, and the combined company will still be called FriendFeed... I bet it won't happen, though. - Tyson Key
"Regarding FB/FF - Here's how it's [probably] going to work. You will most likely have an account merge, all of the services FriendFeed supports will now be aggregated on Facebook, and all of your FriendFeed friends will be in a "list" on Facebook. The FF Groups will become Facebook Groups. The FF lists will become Facebook Lists." http://ff.im/6pNxq - Ozgur Uckan
Nothing like an early retirement payout :) - Owen Greaves
Congrat Bret - Nimaa
Panic attack. Congratulations, however! :) - Count Caturday
Congratulations Bret. For me this merger makes a lot of sense. Facebook will provide the "quantity" of users, which friendfeed deserves :). - Karthick R
FriendFeed + Facebook... Oh noes FriendFace is coming (http://www.youtube.com/watch...)! Now sorry for that link, and seriously, thanks for your work, guys. Please don't let the spirit of FriendFeed to be blown away =) - Anton
hey, that is great guys! interested to see how you integrate. - Brian Walsh
Mind blown. Never expected this. I'm also disappointed, yet optimistic at the same time. - Angus Burton
Kinda curious to see how this will all pan out...although i wouldnt want the friendfeed stuff just integrated into facebook. I feel like im among a group of people who i genuinely share interests with here...dont want to lost that. - Cass
Best case: Facebook will continue to support and develop FriendFeed. Worst case: this is great news for Amplifeeder. - David Gaw
aieeeeeeeeeee - Richard Akerman
Well done, well deserved, I hope FB's means and infrastructures empower your guys to even better things. But if quizzes appear in "my" friendfeed, evil things will haunt you and your descendents for 3 generations. - Iphigenie
:( - Eph Zero
Well done Bret! - Alemsah Ozturk
♪ ♪ This is the end.... beautiful friends ♪ ♪ - All for design
Well, I don't see the point of sticking around here if I have accounts in both and this is going to get swallowed whole into Facebook anyways. Put simply, goodbye. - Micah Collard
It was fun while it lasted. - Mr. Gunn
NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! This place will be just like twitter... - count
Congrats to the FF team - you've built a wonderful product! - Michael Nielsen
Whattttttttttttttttttttt??? - Nibi
friendfeed is a beautiful product, only god knows what facebrook will do to it. Hopefully the ability to upload files (such as mp3s) will not be removed. Zuck is a tool. - Nibi
Congratulations. I'm sorry to say that I don't plan to move with you. - Lars Juhl Jensen
I don't like this.... - Zekeriya Pehlivan
"Like" to follow this thread. Not because I like what happened. I'm horrified. FF could disappear now. - Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Same here, Kamilah. - Tyson Key
If FriendFeed had invented the "don't like" button, today would have been the day to press it. - Vishal Verma
and I just bought BuddyFeed for my iPhone this weekend. :( - Don Faulkner from IM
Oh, joy, Facebook's privacy policy is upon us! - Joris
WTF?? NOOOOO!!! Why do such good things have to be ruined by greed? Screw Facebook, and goodbye Friendfeed. - Jason R. Hunter
congratulations! - Loic Le Meur
Facebook is lucky to have such a talented group of people ... Congratulations FriendFeed! - Rob Kurrus
doesn't look like a bad joke, better be for the good then, but... Well congrats anyway guys, you did something AWESOME now let's see where Mark takes it - Dobromir Hadzhiev
That's too bad. Liked the openness if FriendFeed, and the lack crap that is on Facebook. Once FriendFeed dies, it will be Twitter only. - Mike D.
Congrats, but concerned that FriendFeed and its tools may disappear. Merging the tools with Facebook seems impossible. - Mike Reynolds
So, what does the acquisition of FriendFeed by Facebook mean to us, users of both websites: Can I make a friend request from FriendFeed, and be approved for both, on one click - Reyna Carlos
Exciting news guys. I am actually looking forward to your collaboration with / work for FB. No matter what people may or may not like about FB, it does succeed in reaching a more "diverse" audience compared to most other Web 2.0/social web companies. Paired with your team's excellence in realizing features that succeed in pleasing the geekiest of Web 2.0 affine individuals, I think you are steering towards exciting waters :) - Mustafa K. Isik
*heart sinks* actually a bit of shock - I think that Facebook will leave Friendfeed as-is but I don't think there is hope for future innovation in Friendfeed since their best superstar team members will be pulled onto 'more important' Facebook issues... - Pon
:-) + :-( very happy for the team, huge achievement, hoping to see export of innovation but not a shut down of this unique community and location - Majento
Congratulations, and best wishes for your future together! :-) - Ruchira S. Datta
Wow, I was beginning to use Friendfeed as my defacto social site...Facebook is more for real life friends. They'll just take what makes Friendfeed great, add it to Facebook and slowly kill this site. - Manuel Mas
What is the big deal? I think it'll make FF bigger and better. You should be happy about that! - orionstarr
Somebody has to got pay for it. - orionstarr
I am disappointed. I don't want to have to go to Facebook to do what i do here. I can not imagine they will port over all the features we enjoy here. We lose a lot for only a slight benefit to Facebook. - Robert
It could be worse, myspace could've bought them lol... - orionstarr
Awful news for users but congratulations to you guys. Ideally, FB will run FF as a distinct service but I'm not hopeful. I don't want the diversity and noise that facebook brings - people doing quizzes on which movie star they resemble and playing silly games. I also wanted to keep my day to day social activity distinct from the targeted information and discussion I use FF for. - Rajit
Only just started taking a serious look at FF after hearing acquisition by FB. Sounds like I'm laggard rather than a leader in use of web 2.0 - ManojRanaweera
I think how Pon said it is what I'm feeling: *heart sinks*. - Andy Bakun
Congratulations, i am really happy for you guys!! :) - Mona Nomura
I'm not a Facebook fan, but can't begrudge the FF gang their chance to reap the rewards for all their hard work. However, it would be a shame if FB ruins the good thing we all have going here. - Ken Morley
Congrats to the FF team... I hope the service doesn't disappear into a fold of light and heat. - Brandon
if all the things that make FF great are brought to FB then I'll be happy to use it - Mike Chelen
The community won't be there. Been on FB longer than any other, don't have nearly the relationship or sense of community there that I do here or on Twitter. - Karoli
Karoli: that is due to the effectiveness of the FF platform and interface, which help to join conversations and find interesting people more so than FB does - Mike Chelen
Mike: I suspect that FB wants FF for the search possibilities, not the community-building aspects. But we'll see. - Karoli
i guess congrats are in order, but I'm going to now go and remove everything I have that feeds into FF, and I have to ask -- do I have any rights over my archive? I have a private feed, and I have no interest in offering up my lifestream to the FaceBook data-miners. I hope the FF folks get what they hope for out of the deal, but my FriendFeed experience has been effectively killed. - RudĩϐЯaЯïan
I just learned about the FF acquisition by Facebook - WOW~! Congratulations Bret, Paul and FF team!! holy cow ........Mooooooooo! Where's the FF Acquisition Party? :) - Susan Beebe
Friendfeed after Facebook http://ff.im/6q5EY - Ozgur Uckan
Wow thats cool! - AbZ from Nambu
RT @alirizaesin FriendFeed, R.I.P. Home tweet home!.. - Ozgur Uckan
Congrats to facebook. Now, Twitter is the best. - miocaro
Congratulations to the FriendFeed guys on the Facebook Acquisition. Not a big fan of Facebook, so I hope my favorite Uber Aggregator, Realtime Social, Microblogging site of awesomeness is not entirely absorbed into the Facebook infrastructure. I wait with baited breath to hear what "normally for the time being" means ;). - Tom Horn
Can I now have comments propagate in both directions as far as Facebook/Friendfeed is concerned? - Piaw Na
*checks date*. Damn .. not April 1st, must be for real. While I'm happy for the FF team, since I guess this is what they wanted (congrats guys!), I can't help but think this is the beginning of the end for a great service and a vibrant community. There are reasons I don't spend any time on Facebook and do spend lots of time on FF, and some kind of "FF integrated into Facebook" just won't cut it. I hope this service will live on for at least a few more years. - Andrew Perry
Gratz to the FF team but as a user I'm not completely happy. In short, I like the FF team/product much more than I like the FB team/product. Best of luck to all. - timepilot
Все, блядь, пиздец! - eugenio
WOW - very happy for all of you :-) - Kishore Balakrishnan
Bret, congrats on the acquisition. You guys put in a lot of hard work to create this community. I just hope you learned the mistakes Pownce made, Jaiku etc, and ensured that you didn't sell out your community, but that you helped it evolve into something as great as this into something better. Good luck in future endeavors! - Mike Lewis
Yay for you guys, I mean that seriously, I 'like' what this means for you personally, but -1000000 cool points for doing it with FB. Sad day. - Threepwood
Karoli: FF search is so useful because it is integrated with all the other great features that help to find relevant content. if FB wants to have a similar capability, they must also develop the underlying architecture. - Mike Chelen from IM
Sadness - yasin
Gimme my OPML export - Sriks7
Money is the root of all evil - Shakeel Mahate
shakeel, the reasons for friendfeed to join facebook are probably about other things besides money, since many of the FF staff left high-paying jobs to join in the first place - Mike Chelen from IM
Congrats, team! It's bittersweet, though. - Anne Bouey
So now we will have FriendFeed blocked at work too. Darn. - Mark Scrimshire
"Your data will not go away any time in the near term future" is not exactly inspiring for the long term for those of us who came here to escape Facebook for a) it's walled garden and b) privacy concerns. Nice for the Founders to make a pile of cash but for the many of us, it feels like we got sold down the river. Sad. - Sally Church
cacarr: updates for FB have progressed rapidly in the past, count how many months since new features such as api calls and site redesigns have have been implemented - Mike Chelen from IM
Congratulation to the FF team! You guys deserves this. I just hope that Facebook does not change the directions of FF. - Vinko
congrats, I'm happy for friendfeed... - amelia arapoff
Congrats you guys, well deserved. - Shey
I hope this means better integration: liking here will auto-like on fb and such :D if that's the case, I won't mind the ads *wink* *wink* - Franc, a rememberer
Franc, cant stand facebook ads in their current format, hope they will be fixed eventually :P - Mike Chelen from IM
Grats, dont spend it all in one place..... - Robert Higgins
congrads. I think it will be good for BOTH companies. - Logan Lindquist
boo. - kelly
The Borg has struck. Alas. Prepare to be assimilated. (Will FB add my FF subscriptions to my FB friends list?) - Dennis Jernberg
Boo - Amit Morson
Now that you guys have $$$ you should swap out the not so very pleasing default avatar! - See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
BOO! Hiss! Mondays really do suck. - Dale
Congratulations to all the FriendFeed team. I hope you'll be able to keep the FriendFeed spirit up at Facebook. Kudos for all the great work you've been doing. - Paul Papadimitriou
Congrats and good luck.. - Can Koklu
Thanks for all the fish. Saving the so long... for now. - abacab
Goodbye FF, it was wonderful.. - Francesco Cugurra
I use FriendFeed and Facebook so it would be awesome to see FF features in Facebook. Congratulations! - krzychukula from IM
judging by the nearly 600 comments as i type this, including my own earlier one, FF could use a Don't Like button as well. or would, if we were going to be using it much longer. - kelly
Nice, i like to wish you all the best for your new job (and it's really hard, i know). I'm happy, but... don't let die FF!! - fabio
Hope FriendFeed remains open. Love the spirit of FF - Bernaldo Barrena
Seriously, what a coincidence! Just on Saturday I claimed to be both twitter- and facebook-free. I loved FF product and personally helped to bring at least a dozen of my friends into the community. I'll stick around for a while though. - eugenio
This deal makes sense, now fb developers do not need to figure out how ff does it because they can just ask! Congrats facebook and ff! - Garin Kilpatrick
I suppose Facebook had to do it, with Twitter and Google Wave as competitor... - Alexander Kruel
обычные дела. http://www.youtube.com/watch... - eugenio
Congratulations Friendfeed :D - paniaguai
Ok. I'll quit friendfeed, so. Goodbye. Ciao - valerio fiandra from iPhone
I am noticing a lot of people going to re-esumate their lifestream.fm account now! - Flavio
I don't think FB acquiring FF is bad. But I don't think it's good either. We'll see. :-) In the meantime, keep up the good work! - Alexander Gieg
How long until ex-FriendFeed employees start jumping ship from Facebook? I wonder... - Tyson Key
Thomas Power still believes that Facebook/FF/Linkedin (2010) will be acquired by Apple (2011) and this is a transitional acquisition in the SN market cycle. The world is shifting to Mac, iTunes, iPhones and FB own the next generation. Apple have $29bn of cash on deposit price is not an issue. Google must jump for twitter while MS fiddle in the sticks with Yahoo. BillG will be back at the MS helm 2012. - Penny Power
:( Happy for FF people, sad for the service. Was going to move from fb to ff this week.. - Martynas
congrats! - Ronald
thts good!so i can workin both in my Fb online next - Arini dewi muchtaram
Flavio: never heard of lifestream.fm before, but I'm going to go check it out. I'll reiterate, though, that I'm now shy of any service like this, since it can disappear just as it's getting good. I heard about sweetcron.com last night (via http://ff.im/6pR2w). Maybe it's time to move from centralized to distributed again. - Don Faulkner
Just finished setting up my lifestream.fm at http://lifestream.fm/dfaulkner. Lifestream does what it says, and no more. FF's search blows lifestream away. FF is more flexible about adding source feeds, but lifestream does fine without the flexibility I suppose. FF still wins, or would, if I thought it would be sticking around. :P - Don Faulkner
good for you, bad for us - Zachary Earl Strader
I also hate facebook, not because of their silly quizzes and pokes, but because I suspect they would like to maintain massive user base as the determining factor in choosing a social network. I would love to switch to orkut as I use so many other google services, but I can't because nobody else does. That should not be my criteria.... I thought friendfeed would try to make social networks work together. - Ru Viljoen
I don't understand why everyone is so negative about the situation? - orionstarr
@orionstarr - it's like Starbucks buying your neighborhood coffee shop and saying it still cares about the customers. You know it's just not going to be the same as what you've come to love. - Robin Barooah
Presumably FF will go on the back burner - and the team will try and "fix" Facebook. - Tim Tyler
sad, sad, sad. - scott willeke
Congratulations! That's huge. I hope all is well. - Juan Bruce
bad bad bad - kakilang
bye bye friendfeed! - Jonathan Crossland
Why-eee!!! ??? What next? - Wayne Lewis
I've watched Facebook morph from a relatively organised and well implemented social networking tool into the hulking mess it is now - and I really, really hope that a similar thing doesn't happen here with the inevitable changes this will bring about. - Leslie Moore
Come on guys, out with the long-term game plan, this is tedious. - Andrew Eglinton
NOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, I mean Cool. - sofarsoShawn
Teach Facebook how to be FriendFeed. Let the small but fast teach the big but slow. Don't forget what Paul says - don’t be evil. - whatidiscover
Friendfeed is not as huge as Facebook but you're doing such terrible work on it. Friendfeed is facing so many many problems these days though facebook doesn't seem to have one. Why? - Sing for Absolution
Never commented on this post. 2.5 years later, from a purely selfish persepective, the best thing that ever happened. It allowed me to drop out of the "Which social network is best", Scobilian crap and get down to the main reason I'm here... to communicate with my friends and share experiences. - Johnny
Funny. Two years later to the day, Rochelle took me to court to sign our temporary divorce papers. The day after my birthday in both cases. Huzzah! - Akiva
There's nothing new under the sun. - Micah from FFHound(roid)!
i never believe in spell casting, until when i was was tempted to try it. i and my husband have been having a lot of problem living together, he will always not make me happy because he have fallen in love with another lady outside our relationship, i tried my best to make sure that my husband leave this woman but the more i talk to him the more he makes me fell sad, so my marriage is... more... - Mccart Brenda
:( - miocaro
Robert Scoble
Why FriendFeed's designer, Kevin Fox, is to blame for FriendFeed being too difficult to use: he f**ks with affordances. (UPDATE: he answers me toward the end of the comments with a GREAT set of answers).
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Affordances. They are important. What does that mean? A door knob "affords" being turned. It almost demands it. Yet FriendFeed is screwing with things like links. Here, click on "hide." That should just hide one item, right? That's the affordance. Yet you'll soon find there's a whole world stuck under that little link. You can hide Tweets. You can hide me. You can hide all sorts of stuff. - Robert Scoble
Is it difficult to use? - Manuel Mas
Hmm.. is it difficult to use?! - Orli Yakuel
It's a peace of cake - Mark
i heard larry wall once say about perl "make simple things simple, and hard things possible"... the simple things are definitely *not* simple in ff, increasing the learning curve right at the start... i rekon if they fix that... they have it made! :) - simran
Ooooo. One does not often see Robert swear. He's really worked up about it. Care to respond Kevin?? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
#2 Look at the time stamp. Did you know that's also a link? Where's the affordance? Not there. Yet did you know you can click that and that is your permalink? Many people have trouble figuring this out. But here's an ultra affordance killer. Did you know you can click it twice and get a popout menu? Not many people do. Kevin has overloaded links with too many features and he has broken the affordances of what links usually do. - Robert Scoble
Orli: actually, yes, it's difficult to use. - Robert Scoble
Scoble: You may be right now that I read what you had to say. I don't think there is a proper FAQ/guide for all the little details hidden in FF. - Manuel Mas
And noses were designed to support eye glasses. - Todd Hoff
well I just managed to wipe out my entire friend feed account when I was trying to add a new one for a different twitter account - NW Angel
I agree - too many possible results from a given action. Manuel, no one reads FAQs and if you need to, the app is DOA - Sameer
Well, I don't see it as difficult to use. Its more that there are many things in here hidden that would aid users if there were more upfront. - Manuel Mas
Most of us get basic functionality out of the site with how things are at the moment. - Manuel Mas
Sameer: Agree. - Manuel Mas
Look at this complaint too about FriendFeed being difficult to figure out: http://twitter.com/sethgol... Seth Goldstein runs a tech company. He's a geek. Adverse to more pain than a lot of us. Yet he can't figure out how to delete a list. He's not the only one to tell me that FriendFeed is too difficult to figure out. FriendFeed still needs a design rethink to make these issues go away. - Robert Scoble
Valid points, Robert, but a complex interface, once learned, becomes simple, too - although that's not the best design philosophy for a massively public website. - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Its the visual impact of seeing too many options even if you dont use them. V. overwhelming for the try and buy new comer - Sameer
I think it is one of the worst UIs on the web today. Which is why I hardly use it. It violates all the rules of good design. Stuff is not obvious, it is not easy and it is not even quickly learn-able. I've spent years in product management and really, this is one of the worst. - Shripriya
I think the issue here is Discoverability. There are a lot of little hidden secrets to FriendFeed that become obvious only after you've figured them out. They're not very obvious on their own. Personally, it doesn't bother me but that's because I know it. If I were a new user, I'd be at a loss as well. It seems to me that the primary design goal at FriendFeed is a minimal UI (perhaps at all costs). - Akiva
Roberto: I can't think of another web app that messes with link affordances the way that FriendFeed does. Can you think of one? - Robert Scoble
People who figure out how to use a system are often the last ones to recognize how difficult it is to use. It's a self selection thing. - Ken Sheppardson
But affordances are subjective and reliant on the end-user. Take the @ sign or hashtags for instance. Unless you're talking about Apple, it's hard to blame a designer for affordance rule enforcement. - Sam Harrelson
There is a balance with "affordances" though -- if you have a very complex set of features you could have a knob/button/link for every feature but that would not work either - Brian Sullivan
@Robert, do you think FF need More Icon? - abdellah
Sam: we've all clicked on hundreds of thousands of links. We all have an idea of what happens when you click a link. - Robert Scoble
Sam, the @sign in Twitter was emergent - something users created. - Sameer
Sure, but I've seen lots of platforms use the date function as a permalink enabler. - Sam Harrelson
Manuel, agree. Robert, I wouldn't say it's difficult, but confusing (or useless sometimes). I'm not sure it's a design problem though. - Orli Yakuel
abellah: an icon is probably better than a link, yes. I know that Kevin (from an interview I did with him more than a year ago) likes sparse UIs. He is of the school that you just watch where people trip over themselves and then build UI for that. I think that's smart, but I wish that FriendFeed would iterate its UI faster to pave paths where people are having troubles. - Robert Scoble
Robert, sorry, but you're late on this trend too :) First, being not to follow everyone on Twitter. FF ui has always been terrible. Most tech people I know don't understand how to use it. And I think I use less than 10% of the available features. - Shripriya
I like FriendFeed as it is. It's obviously a power users tool as is, but then I wouldn't want it stupid simple reminiscent of installing a Windows OS. There just needs to be a decent screencast on the home page explaining all the features. No one reads FAQs these days. Video Game designers just turn the first level into a tutorial for 99% who won't read the manual and I don't mind. Maybe FF needs a tutorial when you first sign up? - CannonGod
Think about the affordances of FF and compare them with Twitter. Then compare the relative effectiveness of desktop / mobile applications developed for both. There is not a one good app for FriendFeed. This is because of the MANY "extra shite" links and an overly complex API, not because of popularity differences in the services. - Michael Owens from iPhone
Holy shit this item is already in Google: http://www.google.com/search... -- Google is going real time! - Robert Scoble
Great designs shouldn't need tutorials. - Manuel Mas
@Sameer right, but we created the @ sign to do a certain feature. Folks on identi.ca have their own signifiers. That will inevitably happen here as well as folks grow comfortable with this platform. - Sam Harrelson
Shripriya - I think most people who come back dont find it confusion. Its the first timers that run away - and thats FFs biggest problem. - Sameer
Needless to say, we all love Friendfeed, but we also need a Greasemonkey script to learn which service was posting into the time-line, and the entire issue of groups/rooms really needs a rethink because it's so hard to find any, especially If you're a newcomer.. - Nir Ben Yona
Engagement is deep; Adoption is sparce. - Sameer
TV ads (at least in australia) are considered misleading if "a person of slightly less than average intelligence" misinterprets them... i think you will find that it takes "smart techies" a while to figure out the nuances of ff, not saying everything should be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator, but the defaults that way would give everyone a great start... especially when introducing innovative stuff (like "the live web") :) - simran
Scoble: That Google real time thing is even more impressive than this discussion! - Manuel Mas
Shripriya: I've been complaining about this stuff both in public and in private for a long time. And I wasn't behind in following everyone on Twitter. Come and study how I use FriendFeed to follow small groups of people closely, especially for Twitter. - Robert Scoble
Manuel - Yes. I like to say that if you need to write a manual for your product, it's too complicated. - Jeff Harbert
Wow, this did get into Google fast. - phil baumann
Robert: Holy shit, that's impressive - http://www.google.com/search... - sod Twitter I say, if you're in marketing then you need to get on FriendFeed for instant Google indexing of a subject! - CannonGod
@Manuel there will be always a need to manual and tutorial, people have to sell or to promote so event if you have to explain a basic evidence, write a document make it in pdf format, sell it or share it, but for the sake of simplicity please never ever do FB style document. - abdellah
UI design is a very difficult thing to do because so many people have different ways they use things. However, I do agree with you Robert that FF does need a redesign to make more of the feature more user-intuitive. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Sameer - I've been back many times, I still barely use it. All the stuff Robert mentions, I had no clue. And its not worth my the time investment. - Shripriya
i would expect to see the tweet before this one.. http://www.google.com/search... - Orli Yakuel
Robert - the twitter thing (ie. unsubscribing and not following everyone) was a bit of a joke. But on FF, you are the biggest proponent. If you can't get them to change, no one can. - Shripriya
Agree Sam, but Twitter nor identi.ca expose a gazillion features in the core app.. Its about managing the "first impression is the lasting impression" thing - Sameer
Here's the interview I did with Kevin last year: http://qik.com/video/73962 Shripriya: yeah, I keep hearing that from other people I try to evangelize FriendFeed to. One guy, who is a tech advisor to celebrities in Hollywood told me they will never use it because it's too hard to figure out and because there aren't good mobile clients for it, like there are for Twitter. - Robert Scoble
Jake - :) - phil baumann
@Sameer That's true for a certain demographic, but I look at sites my 8th graders frequent often and I have no idea how they put up with the features. Or take an xBox 360 controller... lots of buttons that do way too many things for my old 30 year-old mind, but my students find it intuitive. - Sam Harrelson
http://scobleizer.com/2008... - 18 months ago you said their UI was brilliant :) - Mark
Shripriya- thats ok. Plenty of people I personally know that have signed up for Twitter and never come back because they couldn't find a use case. No app is for everyone. Its about appealing to a large number of folks that see relevance. - Sameer
Wow, not only is this indexed in Google, but the Likes are getting indexed as well. Don't see the comments indexed yet, tho. - Sam Harrelson
Maybe FF will always be the power aggregation tool online that only a few use. But is the "few" large enough? I wonder. - Shripriya
47 emails in my gmail inbox already from this thread (as i commented and said follow updates on twitter)... surely they can batch them at least by the minute... after all... email isn't realtime :) - simran
Search results for "I don't get FriendFeed" - http://friendfeed.com/search... - phil baumann
Mark: you took me out of context. I said it both sucks AND is brilliant. That is true. Even today. - Robert Scoble
@Robert, can I add that UI is so clean that functionality are just a part of the design, they need to make more light on them (hey they are all blue link the same sized blue link) :) - abdellah
The missing mobile client certainly is a downer. I love a lot about FriendFeed, but lack of a *good* mobile client, and other minor annoyances may keep me from staying here. Sure I know I will come back from time to time (and I haven't left yet), but not sure I can live here on a daily basis like I can with Twitter because of the great clients for my desktop and phone, like TweetDeck. - Timothy Federwitz
Sam, the feature laden apps you mention that your students use, have intent built in them. The purpose is known before you came. XBox = don't do homework. Hell, Id learn how to use very button too :) - Sameer
I think FF is a different beast altogether and not as easy to create a mobile app for, based solely on service functionality and what we actually do here. - Manuel Mas
Tim: that's why I like the IM integration wtih GTalk. Gets around the site UI and works great on the mobile as well. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Scoble: I think this was a pretty rude way of giving your feedback. Why are you being so provocative lately? - Eric Florenzano from iPhone
difficult for who? the basics are easy....getting the most out of all the tools available is a different story but at least the tools are there. Not so in twitter - Craig Shipp
Sameer: Yep, good point. Similarly, I see FriendFeed having a very useful apparatus in my work/personal flow as a news/twitter/info client. I mostly use it via IM but also find the site pretty intuitive for how I use it and prefer it over Twitter, etc. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Eric: because no one engages unless you make a strong point and I sure wish Kevin would fix this stuff so I can evangelize FriendFeed better. - Robert Scoble
Craig: I have shown FriendFeed to many hundreds of people over the past year and I keep getting this complaint over and over. - Robert Scoble
I disagree with that approach Robert. A strong point is not always necessary. Most times it's a turn off and sets the wrong tone. Sure you get a lively discussion, but half of it is trying to explain you're not reallllly upset about it. - Bwana ☠
It's fine to complain but I don't see any useful suggestions here from Robert or any other commenters. A problem without a proposed solution is essentially a whine. - Brian Sullivan
Bwana: we've been complaining about these issues for more than a year. And I am upset about it. It keeps me from having a good time evangelizing FriendFeed. Just search here for how many people don't get FriendFeed. And those are the ones who'll tell you in public. - Robert Scoble
Just reading this, I have learned 4 things I DID NOT KNOW about friendfeed functionality. - Liza + = ?
Back again, to say FF still isn't cool! - K.N. Ajit Narayan
Robert: I couldn't disagree more. Please don't fall into that Arrington/Loren Feldman trap. People engage in a more constructive way when the topic is interesting. Just look at Leo's shows for proof that I'm right. - Eric Florenzano from iPhone
I didn't say this wasn't a case for a strong point, I'm simply stating it's not always necessary per your statement "no one engages unless you make a strong point" - Bwana ☠
Liza: that's another reason I did it in a strong way. I knew it would get engagement. WHen you get engagement your item gets spread to more and more people and that helps out the community overall. - Robert Scoble
Timestamp? Click, double click? Permalink? I wish I knew all of this before. - Liza + = ?
Ultimately the best thing to happen to FriendFeed would be the mass proliferation of 3rd party apps that offer a better user experience overall. Let the market sort out best functional IxD. How many highly active Twitter users use Twitter.com regularly? Not many, because there are several Twitter apps that afford a more active Twitter experience. Without them, Twitter would be news from 2006. - Laura Scott (@lauras)
I disagree. I came here because I agree with the point (as I stated in another thread), not because of the strongness. You may attract certain types with that, but not moi. - Bwana ☠
The best level of engagement that I've seen regarding Leo Laporte is when Arrington called him out openly and there was the big fuss of him getting thrown off the show. Just saying. - Michael Owens from iPhone
I also show twitter and friendfeed to a lot of new Internet users and they get confused easily. I think the only solution is to show one simple process and then after they master that for a week or so then show them another feature. - Craig Shipp
Eric: OK, heard and understood. But name another designer who does stuff with links that Kevin does. That needs to be pointed out strongly, I think. But then I get crazy about design, especially when people keep telling me over and over that FriendFeed is too hard to use and figure out. Even Liza, who has been here a lot, didn't know all that stuff was "hidden" under the affordance of the link. - Robert Scoble
Robert - I appreciate your sharing this info, but it feels strange that all of this seems like a secret. Intention is bizarre. - Liza + = ?
So Robert, do you really think Kevin and FF are actively ignoring this issue? - Bwana ☠
Bwana: yes. Why? Because it's been like this for 18 months. - Robert Scoble
As a user, I do feel like it is intentionally hidden. - Liza + = ?
Interesting - Bwana ☠
It isn't about ignoring. It's about continuance. These affordances have been here since FF started. - Michael Owens from iPhone
Michael: and they f**k with the affordances that everyone has learned on EVERY OTHER WEB SITE. This is why I used strong language. - Robert Scoble
Oh, and the "new ui" upgrade that happened a while back did nothing but add to the hidden complexity - Michael Owens from iPhone
Robert, The UI's difficulty is best expressed in comment threads with a huge number of comments, such as yours - http://friendfeed.com/bitchfe... - Aaman (Clone of FF)
And I am tech savvy, not an idiot, but the argument is, oh, you just aren't enough of a techie to get it. - Liza + = ?
I think the beauty of friendfeed is the fact that it can be used as a very basic tool but also has the power to do much more in the right hands - Craig Shipp
Who are the right hands? - Liza + = ?
And once these get fixed, the real thing that people can't figure out is what is new. On every other website there's an affordance for that. Even in SimplyTweet new Tweets are green. Quick, figure out what is new here that you haven't seen from the last time you were here. You can't. - Robert Scoble
Robert speaks truth. - Bwana ☠
Craig: That's the biggest copout I've ever heard. Maybe Kevin needs to go bak and read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug. - Michael Owens from iPhone
Liza: people like me who click on everything looking for secret features. :-) - Robert Scoble
Don't Make Me Think ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) by Steve Krug may be the kind of design you are looking for. - Todd Hoff
@Todd: great minds think alike - Michael Owens from iPhone
Robert: but even Wordpress.com uses the date affordance as a permalink. http://bit.ly/Dwnm6 I understand the concerns about the mass of feature clarity here, but I don't see that particular date/link function as a standard bearer. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Scoble: OK point taken. So let's make this constructive: what should they do to fix it? For the timestamp, my suggestion is to make it bluer and underlined--which everyone associates with links. Do you agree? How can they fix the hide functionality, though? I'm struggling to think of a way. - Eric Florenzano from iPhone
Liza: I found a lot of bugs in WIndows 95 by unplugging my mouse and trying to use the entire UI via the keyboard. But then I'm weird. Most people will never try anything. In fact, Google's own research shows that fewer than 1% will click on "advanced search." These weird affordances are even harder than THAT to figure out. - Robert Scoble
So if this doesn't change, FF may not get as wide of an adoption that it deserves. Hide, permalinks, and little things make a huge difference. The technology is too good for this to be its downfall. - Bwana ☠
Not having older items shaded or otherwise marked as old does effectively contribute to noise. - phil baumann
I'm not saying friendfeed can't be made better. I'm just saying it can be used from a basic level with little training. - Craig Shipp
I was accused of working for Friendfeed at an event 2 nights ago, for being an evangelist, and I still know very little about the functionality. AND I do like to think, I do click on a lot, but I also appreciate the intention of inclusion. - Liza + = ?
Eric: I would NOT put two hidden features under one link. They need a tab of "customizations and secret features" and put all that stuff there. - Robert Scoble
I'm not sure it's ever going to change at this point... which is sad - Bwana ☠
Liza: everyone knows I'm so excited about FriendFeed that they whine when I don't bring it up. Seriously. It's funny. - Robert Scoble
Whoops sorry Michael, didn't see yours. But it is a good book. Affordances is a bit abstract. He does a good job making the idea concrete. - Todd Hoff
what social site is better? - Craig Shipp
Twitter made a big improvement with contextual menu, such may add a value in FF too. - abdellah
Craig: define better. Twitter is easier. Facebook has more hooks and more users. - Robert Scoble
Which social site has the better UI? - Bwana ☠
Bwana: which is why I used strong language. - Robert Scoble
Until FB and twitter update in real time they aren't even in the game as far as I'm concerned - Craig Shipp
Robert: Twitter has the best UI? - K.N. Ajit Narayan
better UI!! ask myspace ugly by purpose. - abdellah
The problem is w/o knowing the affordances, Newbies create too much noise, feel embarassed and retreat - felt that but did not retreat - Liza + = ?
Facebook used to have a great UI imho. It's changed so much, now I can't find anything - Bwana ☠
FF has the better UI would be my guess. But better is such a subjective word. - Brian Sullivan
K.N. define "best." It's certainly easier to understand than FriendFeed is. Especially if you use a great client like SimplyTweet on my iPhone or Seesmic on my desktop. - Robert Scoble
Scoble: I'm not sure about the tab idea. It would add a lot of visual load on ever pageview. Instead, I'm thinking maybe if hide was a hover dropdown. When you hover over it, it says "Hide just this item", and "Hide all items like these" so that you know what you're getting into. This could work just like the top subnavigation items in many websites, which people are familiar with. Thoughts? - Eric Florenzano
Agree Twitter's UI is great - was in a studygroup of power users - most of us use web interface with multiple browsers rather than Tweetdeck, b/c simplicity is preferred. - Liza + = ?
Eric: this is why I'm not a UI designer. I like your solution better. - Robert Scoble
Hover is an evil thing in a real-time interface - Bwana ☠
I may repeat it but contextuel menu, yes do it well, that all , FF have to do that , twitter have done it. - abdellah
i hate chasing links - Bwana ☠
Bwana: Ahh yeah, good point. Maybe it would have to pause realtime (considering you are actually doing an action) - Eric Florenzano
Robert: Was talking about Twitter, the site...It's really easy to work with, provided you are not following too many people.. - K.N. Ajit Narayan
On FF you can type in the box and hit enter. How difficult is that? - Craig Shipp
Yeah Eric, it would have to - Bwana ☠
Even this thread is hard to read. No ability to specifically reply etc. Another reason I rarely visit. - Shripriya
FF used to pause real time whenever you your cursor was over a posting or its comments-- somehow that feature got removed. - Brian Sullivan
Shripiya: This conversation will definitely stink unless you find the hidden permalink - Bwana ☠
lisa, that's one thing and four words :) - Craig Shipp
Which supports Robert's argument - Bwana ☠
I don't know if I will be able to handle a better FF - Craig Shipp
I went to grab a glass of water, and have no clue what is going on now - see what I mean? - Liza + = ?
@Craig Oh for sure you can remember the alpha version and when beta come. - abdellah
Maybe using IM is best, don't know, but, for now, I find it labor intensive vs. Twitter. I like BOTH, and I will continue to use BOTH, but that does not mean there are not simple fixes to improve the UI. - Liza + = ?
@liza no you know for sure what is going on , you know that this thread is about "....", you remmeber what you have said before, you remember the person for whome you talked so for sure you know were you are at the discussion. - abdellah
It would be nice to see some of the FF team on this discussion, Kevin Fox in particular. - phil baumann
I want to reply to indiv comments, it is impossible unless I say @robert or HEY BWANA, that is silly, crappy design. Am I missing something? Plus, everyone calls me LISA not LIZA, so I can hardly answer the questions directed at me without looking for both. - Liza + = ?
Robert should have cc'd the FriendFeed feedback room - Bwana ☠
Phil: it is Sunday and they do need some time off of their work. Hopefully Kevin will show up tonight or tomorrow. - Robert Scoble
Liz: yep, I love FF's IM integration. I've got a popout window open on the side of my desktop and can keep up with things (from this thread and everything I monitor on FF) much more easily. - Sam Harrelson from IM
LIZA - not lisa or liz, ha ha - Liza + = ?
With that said, I love FriendFeed's comment UI. That's what hooked me to the service - Bwana ☠
Robert - I am clicking on everything in site, so if I blow up something, oops, sorry. - Liza + = ?
Liza apologies. multi-tasking fail. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Glen, yep, that's where discoverability comes in. Things should be easy to discover based on visual cues. It shouldn't be like playing a game of Myst. - Akiva
UNaffordances - Liza + = ?
Robert - yeah, even if they read this tomorrow, there's good stuff here that's important if the service it to grow in use. - phil baumann
Say it with me folks : User-friendly-ability. We HAZ NONE here. - Sean
Robert - now that you are here, I also think it is a mistake to expect users to choose FF or Twitter - recently you have backed off and choose to use both, BUT many of your "followers" are testy with those of us who use both. Until FF is easier to use, I will use both. That is my choice. Positioning FF as Twitter hating is bad move, ppl. - Liza + = ?
Who is positioning FF as a Twitter hater? Some people hate Twitter (I personally think Twitter is a waste of mindwidth). How does that have anything to do with FF other than the fact that they post on FF? - Brian Sullivan
Brian, do a search, you will find MANY ppl are positioning FF as anti-twitter, and I don't agree with the approach. I personally get a LOT of grief from both sides of the fence for using both, and I am not going to pick a side just b/c others tell me I should. - Liza + = ?
Kevin - yes, that is a frustration. - phil baumann
Kevin, totally agreed with that comment, especially when using via the iPhone. It's nice to see comments per OP, but the UI for managing things is horrible and wastes a lot of time, denting my enthusiasm for more participation. - Sally Church
Officially PISSED OFF - using IM FAIL. Opens new page for every feed. Then I respond in Gtalk and get unknown command. F this. Time to breath deep and try not to explode. - Liza + = ?
Liza, type in "help" for the list of commands in IM or there's a list on the site. Not sure about the page thing... I don't get that in GTalk. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Liza: consistently when people meet me they ask "what is next after Twitter?" I don't answer FriendFeed, I wish I could. - Robert Scoble
I don't like help menus or reading instructions. I appreciate your efforts, but I am just pissed off in general b/c I like to figure things out on my own. I can't spend yrs clicking on FF for hidden treasures. - Liza + = ?
People always ask me why should they use FriendFeed over Twitter.... it gets old after a while - Bwana ☠
Robert - exactly, if we knew what was next, it would be dull. Beauty in playing, mashing, exploring. - Liza + = ?
Wow Robert, way throw out an HCI term! Are we going to discuss GOMS or Fitts' Law next? :-) - Bill Welense from iPhone
Bwana - I gave it a shot yesterday with some success in the last day. - http://ff.im/6kbAN - phil baumann
Robert - nice comment. Would love to tweet it to share, but don't know how to isolate it on this f-d up interface. - Liza + = ?
Liza - I'd like to be able to tweet comments they way Disqus allows it. - phil baumann
This is Liza frustrated and cranky, sorry for letting my evil twin out, but this feed triggered it. #blamescoble - Liza + = ?
I'm wondering if FriendFeed will remain the domain of us geeks. Is that a BIG enough market for their business model though? - Jim Connolly
I secretly hope so, Jim. Twitter was great in 2006 B.K. (Before Kutchner) when it was populated only by geeks :) - Sam Harrelson from IM
Holden: Well, I'm pretty sure someone hopes to make some money from FF. - Jim Connolly
Sam: I have to admit, I would hate to see FF flooded like Twitter is. - Jim Connolly
The fact is Robert that These problems have never crossed my mind. Actually, come to think of it. A unified settings page would be nice. However. Just becuae the UI is unconventional, going against the grain, does not mean it's a bad UI. I'd love to see a mockup of how you would do it better. - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
Holden: I didn't say it wasn't great. I still use and love Twitter. I just miss the good ole days. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Don't even get me started with a wish list of options. - Liza + = ?
CONFESSION: I did not know until now about double clicking on the time-link to get a pop-out window. - Jim Connolly
Holden: Twitter's a spam-filled hunk of crap. - Jim Connolly
Holden: You may not automatically see a business model, but they would have had to produce something to get $$$ funding. BTW: Twitter's got the audience, though. It's where the people are. Only reason I use it. - Jim Connolly
Friendfeed is not difficult to use. It is so intuitive. I love that I can easily block certain things, search for items that have a specific number of likes, see a user's likes, etc. It's wayyyyyyy easy. - Ben Hanten
Ben: A lot of new users tell me they can't figure it out. - Jim Connolly
they're not trying then, Jim - Chris Heath
If this was put up to a vote, I would vote to have a better FAQ, but I would definitely keep the design as free of extra buttons as possible. - Ben Hanten
Hmm, wow, lots of comments fast on this post. Too bad it's a Sunday, I imagine Kevin is up to other things right this second... - Jason Wehmhoener
Can someone help me find the link to create imaginary friend? - Krishnamoorthy
Holden, well that's their loss if they can't 'get it' - friendfeed is simple and IMHO if you can't 'get it' then that's your problem, not friendfeed's - Chris Heath
the Imaginary Friend function is now a part of Groups. for example, I created a private "group" with my wife's name and brought in all of her feeds since she's not on FriendFeed. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Ok, the imaginary friend thing is a different story. Awesome concept; but way too much work to add a bunch of users. - Ben Hanten
I think a good start would be to have a totally different "entry point" for setting up hiding rules. Also, defaults might need to be reconsidered. Is it the best to always start off by showing everything from a user? FF already asks you to select your "top five" feeds you want to show off in your profile... Could it make sense to only show stuff from people's top five by default, so one needs to opt-in to get any more of their feeds? - Meryn Stol
Perhaps a big, dedicated "mute Twitter" (though I'd prefer "Kill Twitter" ;)) button would also make sense. After all, Twitter is in itself responsible for most items - and thus most potential "noise" - on FriendFeed. - Meryn Stol
you can still quickly create an imaginary friend (as Sam said it's part of groups now) but if you don't want to choose the private group setting yourself just go here http://friendfeed.com/setting... - Chris Heath
maybe i'm wrong and an imaginary friend is different than a private group, but the functionality seems the same - there was a discussion a few months ago about this: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Chris Heath
Chris, yep... good point. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Imaginary friends are easy to setup, but... you really should be able to do a whole batch of them. - Ben Hanten
Ben, it's rather janky, but my students have private Twitter accts for labs in my class that I read and interact with using the Imaginary Friends + private Groups feature. Plus, I have a nice archive of all student activity that I can search through. Not a great solution, but a good workaround for my extreme case. - Sam Harrelson from IM
there's a lot on the friendfeed roadmap, and i think that's one of the items... if you participate in the friendfeed feedback room you can get lots of answers to these types of questions http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Chris Heath
Interesting topic. For me personally I use FF for reading rather than contributing or commenting, and via mobile more than the web, but I do agree the UI isn't the best. I would like a google reader or better still, a Feedly style interface. I want to know about what I haven't seen that's in my groups or feeds. And I want that simple and easy with no hidden features or maybe simple and expert interfaces. - Keith Bennett from BuddyFeed
It's not the UI that's keeping the mainstream from using the site. This is akin to asking why the mainstream has yet to discover the wonders of traditional message boards. Fact of the matter is most people don't have the desire (not to mention spare time) to continually engage with a stream full of random social media tidbits on a regular basis. But if that's your cup of tea, I think the UI is excellent for sharing, discovering, and keeping up with the real-time chatter. - Aviv
Kevin, it's pretty simple to get to your likes. http://friendfeed.com/samharr... - Sam Harrelson from IM
Has Kevin Fox responded to this thread? - Manuel Mas
Not sure he should -- seems like Robert made vicious and personal attack -- and a lack of response might be appropriate and classy. - Brian Sullivan
I certainly wouldn't join into this pile-on if I were Kevin. "Oh hey, I noticed you all were kicking me while I was trying to have a weekend, here I am now, go ahead for another round!" - Jason Wehmhoener
On the bright side, you know your service is about to hit mainstream when your biggest cheerleader starts to hate it (see Twitter). - Aviv
Aviv: nah, that's not a good predictor. - Robert Scoble
One thing I would like to know is, where is the link in friendfeed to the application key? I always have to search it from google. - Ru Viljoen
it's unnecessary to be brutally rude RB but these comments are valuable, we are expecting alot from 12 FF supergeeks, they cannot be perfect but they are incredibly good already. - Thomas Power
I think "hide" was perfectly designed. The user doesn't get smacked in the face immediately upon loading a page in friendfeed that resembles the control panel of an old fashioned telephone switchboard. One simple hide link, that the user will click when they want to hide something, that then asks what you want to hide. It's called not overwhelming the user with too much info at once,... more... - April Russo (FForever!)
April: they can put a lot of functionality into "settings" that would also do the same thing as hide does today. Most people don't figure out that the hide link has extra functionality. - Robert Scoble
It's better than what facebook does, which is to hide their multi-function hide button, until you hover over the item. I'd rather have it the friendfeed way and at least know it's there by looking and not by having to play "find the invisible features" game by moving my mouse all over the page waiting for all the little facebook easter eggs to make themselves known. You have no idea how... more... - April Russo (FForever!)
And I don't understand how any twitter user could possibly not know that the timestamp is a permalink. Timestamps on twitter are permalinks too. Ok, the clicking again thing was a bit of an easter egg, but how else could you add a nifty little feature like that without adding any clutter? Even if you gave a full tutorial FAQ, how on earth could you present all these little extras in a way that doesn't overwhelm a newbie and make them run away without reading the huge FAQ? - April Russo (FForever!)
Missing the point, not about geeks vs non-geeks, even geeks disagree on UI issues,and it is dismissive and insulting to act as if mainstream is not geeky enough to understand crappy UI. My opinion matters, and it was not until a fellow geek, Scoble, brought it up that anyone acknowledged that there may be some UI issues. - Liza + = ?
I know of a site that has worse issues, for example, clicking the RSS icon on a page takes you to a forum thread with a gazillion posts explaining how to subscribe to the content you want, using all the custom crap they have. You basically have to learn how to build your own RSS url before you can subscribe. And don't click the "Mark" button on a forum thread there unless you want to... more... - April Russo (FForever!)
FF may be messing with affordances, but I don't see it as f*cling with them. I see it as an attempt to innovate. The 'nonintuitive' behavior is a bit of a PITA, but it adds richness to the app. It is also innovation in action. The most painful upshot of suck innovation ia the fet associated with playing with a UI's functionality - you might end up breaking something really important or... more... - Jason Miller from iPhone
JCUnwired That is not helpful or constructive. Stick to one-sided debates. - Liza + = ?
Funny thing is though... I have used Excel and Word without ever reading a manual. Now I'm pretty ninja at both but never had any formal training. Neither has about 95% of the people I know how use it, yet everyone I know has worked it out enough to use it well. See, they have these things up the top like File, Edit etc that hold the functions. Those things are not always required and... more... - Johnny
Well put johnny - Mark from iPhone
Which social app has the best interface? Easy Facebook. - John Hardy
As far as I can tell "affordance" and "discoverability" are different ways of looking at the same concept. And I've been complaining about the timestamp thing for a long time. - Karl Knechtel
I've been complaining about FF's ease of use since I started using it. I'm glad there's some traction on it. ridiculous that the time stamp is not displayed as a (permanent) link. - jbrotherlove
Never mind that the timestamp isn't displayed as a link. The problem is that it makes no sense for the timestamp to be the thing that is clicked. - Karl Knechtel
I like it, its a nice gate. It keeps FF tech based. It keeps things relevant. Its an Acid Test. There are plenty of alternatives. And those alternatives that cater to everyone, are full of Blither Blather. If you pass the gate, and pass the Acid Test, you learn about the community and the discussion. With a robust Community and Discussion, Self Policing and Spammers are annihilated. Self Healing Robust System. - Robert Higgins
Apostol Apostolov, Ana ( http://friendfeed.com/ana ) has confirmed that they're on the issue of adding recipients and groups after posting an item about a month ago - http://friendfeed.com/friendf... - Chris Heath
I totally agree with Robert HIggins & Johnny Worthington's recent comments - Chris Heath
Robert, thanks for your thoughts. Three quick responses: affordances aren't something that someone fucks with, they're something that a designer gives to a design and it's fine to say that you don't think I'm designing a product with proper affordances or strong enough affordances, but the implication that I fucked them up is that I took the gestalt natural affordances of something and... more... - Kevin Fox
The above distinction is important because the argument then becomes one of whether or not FriendFeed has been imbued with proper affordances or not. Now naturally the answer varies from person to person, as it does with any UI for any product. FriendFeed is trying to balance functionality with simplicity and, as is the case for any product with that task, any point on the spectrum could be criticized for either hiding too much of the complexity or showing too much, even at the same by different people. - Kevin Fox
So the strategy then becomes, as has been mentioned here, one of making the simple things easy and the complex things possible. The most common tactic to enable that strategy, and one we rely upon a lot at FriendFeed, is that of progressive disclosure. This works for some people and not for others, but it's usually an excellent way to make a UI that's not intimidating to a new user, and... more... - Kevin Fox
As for the timestamp also acting as the permalink: Well, you're absolutely right. This is a completely improper affordance that only makes sense if you happen to be familiar with blogs that use the same convention. Fixing this (with something less heavy-handed than a link that says 'link' or 'permalink' or (gasp) an icon of two links in a chain) is high on our list and I want to fold it... more... - Kevin Fox
When we get that worked out in a way we're happy with then we'll roll it out. Until then, it's also important to consider user confidence, and that tweaking a UI too often when trying to find the right answer makes users less comfortable with the design and their ability to manipulate it, even if they don't consciously notice any change. For this reason a few things stay rough a little longer until we have what we think is the right answer, not just a stopgap one. - Kevin Fox
As always, thanks for the feedback, and for trying to make FriendFeed a better place. - Kevin Fox
Wow - Bwana ☠
Wow. +500 xp to Kevin. - Sam Harrelson
Kevin I love you because you explain why you are messing with the affordances! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Doesn't sound like they're ignoring it to me, Robert :) - Bwana ☠
Bwana: me neither! Glad Kevin explained. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
I'm liking this article simply because of Kevin's explanation of why things are the way they are here on friendfeed. He knocked that one out of the park. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Kevins camp. In Japanese there is one word for beauty. Kirei. Actually, it is the same word for Clean Kirei. 奇麗 FF for me is clean and beautiful. "Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication" Leonardo daVinci - Robert Higgins
So if we're going to change the time stamp from being a permalink, can we use it to sort posts chronologically? That is the one affordance no one can discover. - Andrew Smith
I didn't read the full thread, but reading the top and (what is at this point) the bottom really helps me understand what the UI people do. Thanks Robert and Kevin! - Andrew
Big props to Kevin Fox. - Sameer
Kevin rocks. Even on a Sunday night. They pay me to say stuff like that at work. The thought of having to step up to the plate anytime 24/7 with that level of professionalism is daunting, to say the least. So yah, big props to Kevin Fox. - Jason Wehmhoener
I actually like the current UI. I like the feature set. I agree it DOES need a more intuitive and quicker way to know about and learn the deeper features. - George Hall (Australia)
There is something to be said for having the conversation first - then Kevin calmly explaining his pts. It gives others a chance to respond honestly, and then Kevin gets far more valuable feedback. Selifishly, I also like the fact that I can see others' views - many who did not address UI issues but showed a defensive sense of entitlement (see Louis's chart on new adopters)...Robert,... more... - Liza + = ?
Great responses Kevin. For the record, I'm a fan of the "progressive disclosure" approach. - Mike Doeff from iPhone
Really great points, Robert. I've learned some things because of this discussion. Thanks for bringing this to our attention. - Brian Adrian
One answer to Kevin. Blogs, since the beginning of when I started to use them used the "permalink" or "#" convention. I guess the thing is that in FriendFeed the CSS here is hiding the blue underline, so people don't know that the time stamp is a link. It's tough designing for the web, I know. That's why I don't do it. At least very often. :-) - Robert Scoble
Twitter uses a time stamp as a perma-link as well. </fuel to fire> - Bwana ☠
Yeah. I just tweeted about that myself. </more fuel to fire> - Dennis Jernberg
Fascinating. Didn't know about the timestamp as permalink, but I didn't suffer from unnatural affordance issues prior to reading this discussion either. Not an ubergeek, but I don't suffer. So, maybe FF is not "above the heads" of the average, but merely yields enough at any level to meet whatever the particular need might be, wacky affordances or not. And people who avoid it because it is "too hard" need to toughen up a bit. This is 2009 and the Internet, after all. - Martha
Also, the "Share" link exposes the permalink as well which I think was a great addition to alleviate the time stamp confusion. - Bwana ☠
Wow. How did Kevin get those 5 paragraphs contiguously posted? Copy-paste-post. Copy-paste-post? Or is there some other secret weapon not yet released? - Nick in Manila
Nick - I'd bet 1000 gil on Notepad/Textedit :) - Bwana ☠
I'm waiting for the twitter theme for friendfeed, to show people exactly how easy FF is to use considering its features and exactly how braindead twitter's UI is. - Andy Bakun
Nick & Bwana: Textedit and copy/paste/post. As I was c/p/p-ing I thought about how I could make a tool using the API to allow for this kind of thing, then envisioned how that would break FriendFeed and banished the thought. (and then I just commented about it anyhow. Oh what have I wrought? I am become death, destroyer of words.) - Kevin Fox
Bwana: hey, at least FriendFeed's designer listens and answers back. That might get more mud thrown his way, but a whole lot of love too. Personally Twitter's design isn't very good, but everyone thinks it is because it doesn't have many features so they perceive that as simplicity. I perceive it as inferior but that really pisses off the Twitter types and they start arguing with me about stuff like the above. - Robert Scoble
Robert - I was just thinking that. We would NEVER get this kind of interaction with a Twitter dev on a work day. - Bwana ☠
Part of me knew Kevin would address this at some point. It was merely a matter of when. - Bwana ☠
I hope this thread/conversation doesn't end any time soon, either here on this post or elsewhere. I want FF to be the best it can. - phil baumann
I think FF is waaaaaay easier to use than Twitter and recently started using FF to follow my twitter feeds. Images and videos are inline and comments are threaded (no silly @ replies). I only wish more of my friends were on it!! (also, it would be nice if comments were formatted with the commenters name first which seems to be the convention on most sites i.e. "May: blah blah blah"). - May
To go back to the top a little bit: does anyone think it ISN'T weird that not all the links on FF are blue? Not just the time stamp: the service your content was imported from, your name at the top of your profile, and the time stamp are all non-blue links. Is there a logical reason for those inconsistencies? I've never understood that. - Andrew
Awesome explanation by Kevin. I happen to love FF's progressive disclosure. I think the 'hide' feature is a great example of this. You could argue that they might make the second stage a bit more obvious, but it's still a lot better than a huge drop down menu at the start. - Ben Reierson
Even Twitter has a ramp up time. It took me about a month of working it to get comfortable with it. Only slightly longer than it took me with Twitter. And it is light years better in most every way. I agree with Robert's desire to enforce change through public criticism, but I think it important to keep it in perspective: FF is generally a better experience on all fronts. Kudos to Kevin Fox and the rest of the team. I feel confident they are more than capable of seeing issues and resolving them. - Martha
i never really had a problem with that Andrew, and I never had the problem with the permalink either... if your mouse changes from pointer to finger, then it's a link and you can see the destination in the status bar - Chris Heath
Andrew: I actually hate blue underlines. Designers have hated that affordance for years. They look ugly. They make text harder to read. I'm in Kevin Fox's camp on that one. Get rid of underlines! Just make affordances that people can figure out without being told about (like clicking twice on hide or clicking twice on the time stamps). - Robert Scoble
robert, i don't get your clicking twice on hide problem... hide seems fine, and while i don't use it much i don't recall clicking twice, like with the timestamp - Chris Heath
Chris: normal people don't mouse over every word in a UI to discover whether there is a secret link there. Also, explain how hovering over "hide" would tell a user that there's different functionality there if you click twice on that word? - Robert Scoble
Chris: if you click twice on the word "hide" you will get different UI that will give you different choices. If you click twice on the time stamp you will get a popout window. Not intuitive at all. - Robert Scoble
when i click hide i get an undo and hide options links, that seems the correct UI - i agree with you on the timestamp, but the hide thing isn't the same - Chris Heath
Chris: Hide does act differently, I agree, but most people, in my experience, don't look at the second page because they don't expect to see more options. Remember 99% of people never click on Google's Advanced Options. Do you REALLY expect people to click twice on Hide? I don't. And even if they did, shouldn't those features be in settings too? Where people expect to find them? - Robert Scoble
i don't buy your beef w/ hide, but i agree on the timestamp - i also agree with you on not having to hover everything to see if it's click-able and also don't like underlining, so there needs to be some other visual cue of the link/feature - Chris Heath
sometimes features do need to be learned/taught and everything can't be intuitive... i think we might be overshooting our ideals for usability. remember the days of three ring binders and books and manuals for using any given system or software package? we've come a long way, but users do have to learn some things. i think friendfeed has done a good job of making the site usable for the... more... - Chris Heath
Given a top complaint about FriendFeed is too much noise, Hide needs to be more intuitive. - Bwana ☠
Since I still get the dumb blonde / not techie treatment from many, I am going to go w/ it and say that even I figured out hide early on. The timestamp stuff was news to me. - Liza + = ?
I'd wager at least half of FriendFeed doesn't know about the second page of hide options. I've had to explain it countless times and a ton of people didn't even know you could selectively hide services based on comment/like behavior, etc - Bwana ☠
Kevin, Thanks for listening and major props for taking your time to listen to constructive critisicm. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
9/10 of the folks that use Word, Excel, Powerpoint, etc don't know all the features and functions. Having every single function be completely intuitive and/or labeled is not needed for mainstream acceptance or usage if that's what we're all worried about here. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Every single function, I agree. Hide, needs to be more intuitive. - Bwana ☠
Bwana, I agree as a power-user, but how many folks would actually use "Hide"? It's an edge-case function that will/would never catch on with the mainstream. I just don't get these complaints. - Sam Harrelson from IM
Sam: you're right. But I didn't get this kind of pushback when I evangelized Twitter and Facebook had many more hooks to get people into their system than FriendFeed does (and keep them there) and even Facebook doesn't have a lot of the weird affordances that FriendFeed does even though it's more complex. The complaints I get consistently on FriendFeed (a lot of which have to do with... more... - Robert Scoble
Oh, and the number of comments here tells me a lot of people feel very passionately about FriendFeed and want it to be better, even if they are telling me I'm full of it. - Robert Scoble
The complaint is noise. There's too much. There's too many duplicates. I don't want to see "X". These are complaints I see and answer often. The solution is hide and they don't know about them. It's not a power user function imho. - Bwana ☠
FF lost a lot of users during the initial launch because people didn't know about or want to properly hide unwanted stuff. - Bwana ☠
"FriendFeed is full of baby photos" Classic complaint. Solved by hide. - Bwana ☠
It's always the user's fault. Always. - Rahsheen
Robert, I got on Twitter around Thanksgiving of '06 b/c of your evangelicalism (thank you/curse you btw!). But the concept there was/is much more easy to grok. Of course folks are going to think FF is hard b/c it is hard. But to bastardize JFK, "we choose to go to the moon and do these other things in this decade not b/c they are easy but b/c they are hard!" - Sam Harrelson from IM
friendfeed isn't hard...unless you think a blank piece of paper is hard. - Scoble, Alex Scoble
Depends on your definition of hard. Some people think complicated or inconvenient is hard. - Bwana ☠
Alex, have you ever written a book for a publisher that loaned you money and expects the money back? A blank piece of paper is incredibly hard! - Sam Harrelson
Look at lists. Very powerful tool of FriendFeed, but for some, it's too much work. Some may call it hard, some may call it.... too much work :) - Bwana ☠
Sam: but this blank piece of paper can write itself thanks to the integration with other sites :) - Andrew
I know in the apps I've tested, if the UI was difficult for the end user, they would avoid using it. - Bwana ☠
Andrew, you are completely right. Good point. I'm thinking from a contributing point of view (b/c I'm a teacher and I always want to influence, etc) but you're right. - Sam Harrelson
Alex: is blank paper sort of like a blank Wordpress entry screen? I get it then. - Robert Scoble
Seeing a real-time stream of the full conversation is highly desirable and one of the best features of the service. I design and use software all the time and didn't know about the time stamp link until someone told me about it. Robert is doing them (another) favor by using controversial language to bring attention to the issue. I bet we see an update in a week or two and the service will be better for it. - Chip Ramsey
I can see it now: if entry["from"]["id"] == "scobelizer": theme = "lots-o-links" - DGentry
either that, or entry["body"] = pigLatinize(entry["body"]) - DGentry
Wow ... Great dialog. Kudos to Kevin for his comments! I have demo'd Friendfeed for more people than I can count. Most of the issue has to do with people's time vs value (or just fun). Is it harder than Facebook? NO! Nobody says you have to use it all and 9 out of 10 people I've demo'd Facebook for have NO IDEA what a permission is (Think about that ... and the defaults?!). Twitter has... more... - Charlie Anzman
Then ... The Friendfeed Browser and OS! - Charlie Anzman
Robert, given Kevin's responses, you might want to edit/tweak the Original Post/headline. I wish there was a way to promote the comments so they were 'pinned' to the OP - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Aaman: what's an OP? The headline? - Robert Scoble
Yes, the Original Post - I wasn't familiar with the term myself, and saw it first on this very thread, then googled it. (It can also mean Original Poster) - Aaman (Clone of FF)
Glen: I'm not scared of feeling dumb. I feel dumb every day given the quality of the people I hang out with. - Robert Scoble
@Kevin: wondering if there could be a link that would take you to a page that would show what features have been added, disabled, or removed. - Harold
Matthew: you make sense. I've locked the comments here so you can see Kevin Fox's reply without digging back too far. - Robert Scoble
Robert Scoble
After unfollowing everyone on Twitter I get why some hate FriendFeed: there you see tons of noise from people you didn't follow.
Comments let everyone participate. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Friend-of-friend feature brings tons of people into your view. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Hallelujah! - Sally Church
I wish we could make FriendFeed into JUST an aggregator. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
I think a simple switch that let you turn off FoaF completely, and/or only show FoaF for comments, not likes, would go a long way to cleaning things up. - Ken Sheppardson
Even though there is conversation on FF, we can't have proper threaded conversation and that results in noise. - Veetrag
I mean the options are there to turn off FoaF once you "Hide" an item, but they're buried. - Ken Sheppardson
Robert: so, you're not interested in having an open conversation on friendfeed anymore? That surprises me. - Joel
Ken: you can turn off FOAF: click on hide twice. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Joel: I am but most people are not. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Interesting that this item only got one response on Twitter so far. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Sean: cool, I have trained you well! :-) - Robert Scoble from iPhone
@Scoble one response on twitter shows that, people like to see what others are replying too. We can't see that on Twitter. - Veetrag
Robert, you can easily turn FF into just an aggregator. Feed your services in and don't interact. The only thing missing is an account setting to automatically disabnle comments on all of your posts, which can easily be requested in the Feedback room. Or, make your feed private so no one can see items to commeent upoon them. - FFing Enigma from fftogo
Robert - So, how does this insight affect your view of FF now? - phil baumann
Phil: it makes me want better display options in FriendFeed. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
This real-time group discussion on FriendFeed is totally different from Twitter but I can't help but feel if you spend your time here, you might miss out on the general Twitter feed. - Ken Seto
Ken: What is the advantage of general twitter feed, if all the twitter feed is anyways directed to FF? - Veetrag
Robert - what kinds of additional options would you like rolled out? - phil baumann
Well I'm not seeing anything happening on FriendFeed other than comments in this discussion - Ken Seto
Phil: it also makes me want real mobile clients. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
I need a TweetDeck for FriendFeed :D - Ken Seto
Robert, do you think to get 'real' feed mobiles have to support flash. because i believe with heavy JS would be unstable on mobile platforms. - Veetrag
Ken - Have you tried PeopleBrowsr? - phil baumann
Robert, the way I see it, everyone's definition of "social media" is different. Some people will tolerate a little higher noise in their S/N ratio to glean extra information from open conversations on FF/Twitter. Others may want to eliminate the noise and just focus on a few select feeds. That's the beauty of social media, you can (within limitations of the software you use) determine your own level of interaction. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Will take a look at PeopleBrowsr, thanks - Ken Seto
Phil: I want to see a TRUE river of news. No popping up of things that get engagement. I want to see NO comments exposed. I want a REAL best of day (the ones I currently get show me old items. That is a start. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Jack: that is true which is why we need better display options. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Robert - so perhaps an option to for a collapsed view (text only - sort of like a reader) with options to define what comes up in the view. (I guess that would bring us back to some sort of modified social RSS :) - phil baumann
Phil: yes!!! - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Phil : We would also need a way in which we can like/unlike comments too. That will help us read only priority content. It can be one way around smaller screens. - Veetrag
Robert - this somewhat reminds me of Muhammad Saleem's post comparing FriendFeed and SocialThing from March 2008. His goal was an aggregator, not another social network: http://muhammadsaleem.com/2008... - Hutch Carpenter
But wouldn't using FF as an aggregator just make it more like a social RSS feed service? For my personal social media paradigm I would miss out on the conversation part of FF. Of course your paradigm may be different :O) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Jack: I would keep that option on FOR ME but tons of others tell me they hate coming here because of the noise. I totally grok that now. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
I'll use Twitter and FriendFeed though, both were just great. - Vince Ong
Understood. I appreciate that Robert. One of the things that initially drew me to FF was the ability to interact with people such as yourself. I would truly hate if we lost that ability, Of course I am sure your noise is a whole heck of a lot louder than mine :O) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Until FriendFeed makes hide even easier, this will continue to happen. People are generally too lazy to use hide to the fullest. I don't know if it's a design issue or a user issue, but people don't like to use it. - Bwana ☠
I think it is a design issue. There are too many features stuck under the hide link. - Robert Scoble from iPhone
Good point Robert. But where else do you put those links?? - Roberto Bonini from iPhone
I've been loudly raising precisely the issues which Robert Scoble mentions in this post for over a year -- with zero feedback from Friendfeed developers. This is why Friendfeed's growth has been flat and will continue to remain flat. (But Friendfeed is still a great platform, even in its imperfect and much too noisy state.) - Sean McBride
It amazes me that as of August 9, 2009, Friendfeed's developers, who seem to be brilliant in most respects, still have no appreciation of the importance of elementary design features like list view and the separation of unread from read items. The mind boggles. I really don't get it. And they don't seem to be interested in the hottest field in news reading and management: smart news recommender systems. - Sean McBride
A fact that seems relevant to this thread: I discovered this post in the FFHolic Most Discussed feed in the Featured Sources box on Feedly's My Digest page. I stopped trying to read the chaotic torrent on Friendfeed's home page a long time ago -- a poor investment of one's time and energy. Without Feedly's elegant user interface, I wouldn't have seen this post. - Sean McBride
I think the second thing i did on FriendFeed was to remove friends-of-friends because of you. - Sam Pullara
Robert Scoble
Everyone on Mashable/Twitter wants to tell me how lame I am and how I'm doing it wrong. Here's your chance to tell me I'm clueless:
Lots of people are saying I was always doing Twitter's following wrong. It's funny how social media experts have it all figured out. So, here's your chance to tell me how screwed up I still am. - Robert Scoble
you're clueless.. :P - Rob Sellen :o)
I think you tried a noble approach. It just was ruined by spammys. You did what you had to do to fix the problem. - Drew Lucas from iPhone
Tell me something I don't know. And tell me why. :-) - Robert Scoble
Everyone thinks they're right in Social Media. I try to ignore them. - Jesse Stay
were you? In hindsight? now you have done this big purge? - Rob Sellen :o)
Drew: the real reason why I'm clueless is cause I am on FriendFeed, where I can put people into lists. Which, by the way, make AWESOME filters for searching. - Robert Scoble
which list am I on? - Alex Scrivener
Alex: pay me $20 and I'll tell you. :-) - Robert Scoble
Your clueless Robert. You have no clue how to do the whole social media thing. Please teach me your cluelessness Master. :-P - Rasmus Lauridsen
Everyone needs to "reboot" their twitter strategy once in a while, there's no harm in it at all. It's just those out there who still think that thousands of followers is the only metric that everyone should go by to determine if you're using twitter successfully. - Richard Arblaster
Richard: bing! - Robert Scoble
What? That's ridiculous. You don't look anything like Alicia Silverstone. - John Craft
There is no right or wrong way to use (except maybe spam). Who cares what other people think about your social media habits. - Shawn Hickman
I covered the topic of mass unfollowing awhile back when @Loic and @AriHerzog unfollowed everyone. I think you might enjoy the comments in particular. http://blog.tweetworks.com/2009... - Mike Langford
Rob: in hindsight, yes, I was clueless. I just didn't get quite how clueless I was, because on FriendFeed I could follow small groups, like everyone else. - Robert Scoble
Loic is not around much anymore - Mark
The reason you are clueless, is because we ALL are at the start.. how could you have known the "right" way at the start?? Couldn't.. so you NOW changed things... :o) Big difference now then? - Rob Sellen :o)
the thing you HAVEN'T been clueless about is friendfeed... ;o) - Rob Sellen :o)
your clueless, just like the rest of us !! We are all trying to figure things out.. each have their own way of doing it. To each thier own posion ! - Peter Dawson
The only way to know if your Twitter/Social Media approach is working or not is by looking to see if it is accomplishing your goals. There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach in a dynamic growing space. This Right/Wrong game is tiring at best. - Bill Sanders
I have learned that there is no one set way to do social media right or wrong. Is there an echo in here? - Mike Lewis
For half a sec I thought it was a FAB publicity stunt! Seriously Robert I adore and respect you. There are 2 different views. Twitter is different things to different people. You and I can agree to disagree. But, won't you MISS the amazing view of your HOME stream??? - Arleen Boyd
Arleen: the thing is I was looking at that screen less and less. Now I look at it a lot. Well, except for today cause Twitter has been mostly down. - Robert Scoble
I find that alot of people are a bit... selfish in social media. I follow people I find interesting. They don't need to follow me back. Maybe they don't think what I post is interesting even if I find theirs to be. We got to cut down on our ego tripping sometimes and let people enjoy the social tools, the way they enjoy em. I bet ya, there are not two people out there, that use all of this in exactly the same way, and that is great. - Rasmus Lauridsen
Steve: that's absolutely not true. Sit next to me sometime. I can follow many thousands of people. - Robert Scoble
Your comments make the conclusion that everyone that disagrees with you is a social media expert, spammer, or non-techie. Are you sure you are not a politician in disguise? LOL Putting people in groups on Friendfeed did not require a massive un-following on twitter I know what you are doing. I like FreindFeed. I would not like twitter near as much if FriendFeed was not there. I am grateful for FriendFeed and it champion. Cheers for Robert - RetiredTeacherD
Sorry Scobe, but you innovate, care deeply about all of this, and are fun to read. You don't even budge my Lame-O-Meter. (As for lame, well, AP is the King aren't they. And Reuters just told them to stop whining. Heh.) - Bob Morris (polizeros)
Seems funny to me that everybody is still talking about this issue. What's the difference between this and telling people what you're having for lunch? Twitter is chatter but from time to time, a clear interesting idea comes through and sparks a reaction. Reminds me of the thought process in my own brain... tons of ideas, lots of chatter and some gems. Meditation helps me quiet my mind... perhaps unfollowing does the same. In any case, less chatter is always better. - Yanik Falardeau
RetiredTeacher: heheh. But, sorry, the main reason I did the unfollow isn't the home feed, but DM's. They just became more and more filled with spam and useless stuff. Getting my home feed back is like icing on a cake. - Robert Scoble
@Robert, There's no right or wrong answer to social media usage. Only you can decide your goals and if you're successful in achieving those goals, that's all there is to it. You're anything but clueless, not that you need me to tell you that :) - MiaD
I was a big critic of your Swisher/Mossberg article as I think you are misguided about where in the social chain FF falls-- HOWEVER... although I had a FF account for awhile doesnt mean I 'tried' it. In light of the non conversational approach twitter is taking ( @replies) and the fact its getting spammy and many people are talking AT me not WITH me I concede. I don't agree with some of your tactics or selling points but I do agree FF IS ABSOLUTELY on to something in a big way. - cheapsuits
Auto following everyone is not good idea... - k00pa
IMO. Your following deletion was good thing :) - k00pa
I just use Twitter differently than most. Regardless whether I "follow" you or not, I still follow millions of people because I mostly use search for getting what I want. - Jesse Stay
you did an experiment. you learned something. take the learning and move on. economic theorists are doing the same thing:-) maybe spammers were Twitter's Black Swan. - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed
Let's assume for a moment that you are, indeed, clueless. Since you follow the same methodologies as most other "social media experts", then they, themselves, are clueless, as well. Since most "experts" (like yourself, Pirillo, and Conn) are generally smart people, then all clueless people are geniuses. Therefor, you are a genius and are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not clueless. - Thomas Ward
Thomas: I like your thinking! :-) - Robert Scoble
So Ashton Kutcher can have 3+ Million followers and only follows a few, so why can't you filter the noise too? Double standard... - manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: Glad you liked it. Hell, I'm glad you understood it! Even I began to believe I was only rambling! - Thomas Ward
would you please change your green #Twavatar ? .. my baby cries .. Thx :) - Marcel Bloingo
My favorite thing about you is that you do your own thing. Go with your gut. - Ted Murphy
Marcel: that will also cost you $20. This is how I will monetize social media! :-) - Robert Scoble
Ted: In this case his "own thing" is what many of us have been telling him he should be doing for months now ;-) - Ken Sheppardson
OneGear: my heart was in the right place. I was doing that so everyone could DM me. Of course that let in spammers and other bad actors. So, turns out you are right. - Robert Scoble
Chris: we're all doing it wrong. :-) - Robert Scoble
I think you did it right: the conversation is going again and everyone is thinking about things. Job done. - WoH: Professor MOTHRA
Forget about them, Rob. Heck, I may even follow in your footsteps! Seems like all I'm getting anymore is links to products I don't want or sites I have no interest in visiting. Oh ... as far as the green avatar goes, you should have it say "Scoble Smash!" underneath you! - Thomas Ward
I miss the Robert Scoble with long thoughtful blog posts and video interviews. I understand that it is not easy to find the balance between the conversations/interactions thingy and the content thingy. - Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: I've been posting a LOT of video. But, yeah, need to get back to doing long blogs. - Robert Scoble
I'll give you that $20 for your lists! *giggle* - Arleen Boyd
We should remember Twitter is Sociability. - Felipe Aneudi Campana from fftogo
Hmm. Do you post all your videos on your blog? different content on blog, building43, somewhere else? I liked the Office 10 videos. - Edwin Khodabakchian
you were telling people that they didn't "get it" for doing exactly what you are doing now - Eber Irigoyen
Edwin: I post them all here. Pro videos at http://www.building43.com Videos shot with my Canon 5D on http://scobleizer.blip.tv Finally, live videos at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- but they all are aggregated here. - Robert Scoble
lame, wrong, and awesome. Keep it up! - motownmutt
Eber: yes, I told Loic that. Again, my heart was in the right place. I wanted to get DM's from everyone who wanted to follow me. Turned out that was a bad strategy because of spammers. So I was wrong. I'm often wrong. Keep that in mind when I tell you off. :-) - Robert Scoble
Twitter is the one doing it wrong. They should just read our minds and learn what information we need and publish it to our home page. No need to follow anyone in that case. - Sumanth Kolar
dont worry Sumanth, google will take care of that ;) - Kashif Khan
There could come a time when I reverse strategy, in six months, as you did, and you can mock me then. But right now, I am keeping the door open to new contacts and not wiping them away. FriendFeed is my high quality network. - Louis Gray
Thanks Robert! It just occurred to me one alternative to domain squatting is embarrassing Avatar adoption. Your $20-at-a-time strategy is more credible than most monetization schemes (scams?) - Richard Walker
It would seem to me you did it "right" as it brought a strategic challenge to light. It's been the source of some great posts and conversation. It's not as though things are unsalvagable even if you made a miscalculation. As a strategist I don't think there is a generic right or wrong way. You have to align your social media activity to meet your goals. If your approach on Twitter wasn't working to meet your goals then you did the right thing. - Jim Goldstein
There is no wrong way to use a resource that is infinitely customizable. Well, perhaps there are illegal or immoral ways, and thus "wrong." But not the case here. - Justin Long
I've seen everywhere (it seems) that social media is all about the user's experience, that they should determine what's best for themselves. Yet, I constantly see posts and threads about how to do it right. I don't care what Robert is doing, because he has other reasons for using it than I do, and on down the line. Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media. - Steve Lowe
One question, Robert: What would you guess is your reach in terms of unique users? (if you combine all the channels you are on?) - Edwin Khodabakchian
Do your thing man. You know leaders are always jeered before they are applauded -- don't wait for the applause <grin> - Pam Baker
Very much in agreement with what Steve Lowe just argued. - Marcos
" Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media. - Steve Lowe " SOOO TRUE!!! - cheapsuits
Robert I agree. The lists feature is one of the most valued. - Drew Lucas from iPhone
Robert, "right" or "wrong" is immaterial here. Each user gets something different out of their use of social media. So each user constantly adjusts their social media experience to fit what they want to receive. Your mass unfollowing is not wrong. Your user paradigm changed. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Robert: can you write a blog post about how you setup your groups in friendfeed? I this it would make for an interesting read. - BRҰANSAҰS
When you were using auto-follow, it made the most sense to do so. Twitter changed, you examined what was working and what wasn't working, and made some adjustments. You are still doing it right. You also invested your time in FriendFeed pretty early on. That was also a good decision. (That will be $25, thank you.) - Mark Davidson from BuddyFeed
I'm not of that mindset, if all adopted that mindset and only followed very close knowns what would you have? A phone call - JuneM
Tinym: He used one of the premium services on SocialToo.com You have the ability to either Unfollow everyone that isn't following you back or you can unfollow everyone. - BRҰANSAҰS
i dont really understand their argument...i had to mass unfollow some people as well, as I was getting spam and it was clogging up the stream. - Crackle
I just joined FF today due to a few factors: 1) Twitter went down and a light bulb went off 2) I've been following you for quite awhile and you're not lame nor do I think you're doing it wrong and 3) I finally acted upon all the advice you've shared about FF. If you follow me back, fine. At any rate, I'm following you here. I do like the threaded message form, which trumps any Twitter app. I'm also looking for value, not noise. - MR
It just signified your preference to communicate with high numbers on FriendFeed where everyone can be organized, searched and found- it is thus more meaningful. On Twitter it was chaos for you that way and everyone lost. Why lie? - E-Advocate Network
MR:Welcome to FriendFeed. - BRҰANSAҰS
I thought you should've done it sooner. - Ben Parr
agree w/ Ben - michael sean wright
LOL. Just a theological point: God's following everyone (or not) is not a theological explanation for why bad things happen to good people. But I'm guessing you're speaking tongue-in-cheek? - Justin Long
Change is natural. It's part of innovation. We adjust to new tools and technologies as they evolve, and because our methods of using them change, the tools evolve. Sometimes they (or us) take even a bigger leap and revolutionize. Then we get the next big thing, or take the next significant step in history. It's far better that you adapted, Robert, based on your findings, needs and experiences, than continued on with previous use patterns. - Cathryn Hrudicka
People are haters. Ignore the idiots. - Nile Flores
I second Nile even when I disagree with you Robert! (((pu liki))) spreading Aloha! - Arleen Boyd
Robert Scoble
RT @dariusdunlap "for me twitter is for getting interesting insights and ideas. I'm sure not going to get them from those who follow me!"
I think it's funny that some folks aren't getting the joke. :-) Subtlety doesn't always translate in 140 characters. Working on a blog post about following, and specifically the strange idea that you should ONLY follow those who follow you back. Part of the power of Twitter is that you don't have to "be friends." I can listen to folks I find interesting, whether or not they listen to me. - Darius Dunlap
And now that Twitter's down, everyone can write their own blog post on why they're unfollowing their tens of thousands of followers ;-) - Helene
Agreed Darius. Scoble and the other big movers may not follow me, but I can listen to them and glean information that I find informative, even if they don't "follow" me. For people like me that can't be on FF or Twitter a lot during the day at work, I can still keep informed. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Darius: Very good point (humor understood). I am rethinking my stance on how to use/utilize twitter. - Timothy Federwitz
I don't understand why some people feel obligated to follow back. I want my incoming stream to have a very high signal:noise ratio. You've got to earn followage from me. - Pistos
gndn or GIGO - Rosemary Gongora
Rosemary + Helene + Pistos, I sooooo want to 'like' comments sometimes ... - Sebastian
@sebastianx: Me too. :) We'll have to settle for something like: @Pistos +1 - Pistos
Sebastian - and TAGS for comments. ;-) - Darius Dunlap
@Pistos @Darius I second that. In many cases comments provide way more value than the initial item. Just looking at who commented to an item offering those to possibly interested users based on whatever criteria is a good first step but not enough. - Sebastian
Madhav Tripathi
Twitter is not loading right now, anyone having the same problem?
Yes me too - Matteo Carli
Yep. Just cursing at my screen now. :( Can't access Twitter in any way, shape or form - Grey Drane
Same here... :( - John Fox
yup. It's getting more natural to just flip over to friendfeed now. - motownmutt
I just tried to post on twitter but... - Madhav Tripathi
you are just kidding. - Madhav Tripathi
Yep. Yay FF. - phil baumann
Totally down - courtney benson
twitter is down and people are sending tips to get more followers on twitter. - Madhav Tripathi
Same here. - Warner Crocker
Yes, its not opening here also! - Sampad Swain
Yes! - Shaun Bruce
Like @Matthee DeVries ;-))) - Roberto Ballerini
i think so. - Madhav Tripathi
it came back just 4 few seconds... - Roberto Ballerini
you mean after few seconds again down. - Madhav Tripathi
facebook apps also not in working condition? - Madhav Tripathi
Same here - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
yeppers - Ronald
yes indeedy - Kate
Ronald I am sure you suffered a lot. - Madhav Tripathi
Yes - I just asked myself. Confirmed. - Alex Williams
planet of the pulse is down now. - Madhav Tripathi
FB is buggy for me, too. - Grey Drane from IM
^^ haha :) :) no, no not really ;) - but already gettin' a bit 'nervous', yes... - Ronald
Me too.. - Mads Kristiansen
I will never pray for them. - Madhav Tripathi
perhaps they didn't limit themselves to iPhone: http://www.pcworld.com/article... - Roberto Ballerini
yes, first thought that was my crappy connection but that is something completely different. - Max Friedrich Hartmann
I also thought if my internet connection is OK. - Madhav Tripathi
Writing a few QSL cards. Received two in the mail today. It's a good day when you have a QSL card waiting in the mailbox. #hamr #hamradio
Just got a bunch in from the QSL bureau myself. Its like christmas in July! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
R. Ferguson
Madoff gets 150 years.
Where is this reported? - John Flynn
He'll be 221 years old when he gets out. - Morton Fox
John Flynn, CNN is reporting it. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Jeremiah Owyang
What will people do now that Twitter is down?
Reply to your question on FF :) - Dilip Dand
Tweet on FriendFeed of course. ;) - Jim Spencer
FriendFeed, what else? - Bora Zivkovic
I went outside. - Mike Lewis
I've gone outside.... nah just kidding. - Malcolm Bastien
Get some work done ;) - Dilip Dand
actually work! - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Was just planning to comment on Twitter that it is down, but got somehow the feeling that does not make much sense. So maybe it is now really time to ditch Twitter and switch to FriendFeed? - Peter Simoons
I'm reading a book. ;) - Roberto Bonini
See what's cookin' on FriendFeed - Mike Lizun
Utilize other platforms...Facebook, Friendfeed etc. Possibly also get some work done. - Michael Barber
On se rabat sur nos autres réseaux, comme ici, par exemple. Sommes-nous accros? - Patrice-Guy Martin from BuddyFeed
Learn how to use FriendFeed ;-) - iconic88
Bill clients for something else ;) - roger byrne
took a picture of the maintenance screen and posted it everywhere. It was just so darn cute. - Angie Robinson
Spent the afternoon in Azeroth raiding with the guild. It was our 2 year anniversary this weekend! Alea Iacta Est on Earthen Ring.
For the horde! - Leo Laporte
Lok'tar Ogar! - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
I finally reached 77 on my warlock, pathetic, after so many weeks (I got expansion the first night, of course). Don't play nearly enough, or perhaps it's because I have 3 70+ characters. - Adi Rabinovich
For the Alliance! (Adi, I'm the same way...too many 70's to lvl :) - Hookuh Tinypants
Damn that's some sexy talk. And I don't even play MMORPG's. :oD - Paul Reynolds
For the Horde!!!-Ysera server - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Robert Scoble
I am off to see Symantec's newest offerings this morning. Got anything I should ask them?
Maybe if they can try and make software that will cleanly uninstall itself instead of requiring that stupid removal tool. :-) - Brandon Titus
HAHAHA! - Michael Forian
Too true Brandon! - embee
Why is their software so bloated and bad? :P - Patrick from twhirl
Why do they offer auto-renew annual subscriptions when their competitors don't? In this age of identity theft, I'd like to reduce the chance of my credit card sitting in someone's server year after year after year. - Ontario Emperor
Upon re-research http://www.symantec.com/norton... I found auto-renewal referred to as a feature that is enabled. Not quite sure how you disable it, though. - Ontario Emperor
one thing that drives me crazy about them is the fact that they always release the next version just over a year after the last one. so if you have a yearly subscription, you're forced to either go without update coverage while waiting for the next year's version, our buy a full year's subscription to hold you over for a month or so.... - Jeff (Team マクダジ )
Ask them if their next product will be removable via the Windows native uninstall tool, or will it continue to be harder to uninstall a Symantec product than it is to kill a virus. - Aram Zucker-Scharff from twhirl
ask them to make a AV product that doesn't suck up a majority of the cpu cycles and a cleaner uninstall feature. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Ask them what they will be doing in enterprise backup. How are they taking advantage of virtualization, near-line storage, de-dup, the cloud, and contributing to greening/lessening cost in the data center. - Eric - Final Countdown
I would love to know what they are doing to resolve the footprint of the software. - Jason DeBoer-Moran from twhirl
Ask them about Kaspersky's website getting hacked... - Dr. Apps from twhirl
Aram: they put me under embargo for March 4th, but I was pretty happy with what they showed me. - Robert Scoble
Ben Jackson
Random co worker just comments on my weblog. Turns out he's a ham. Cool that he's a ham, not sure how I feel that he reads my weblog. :)
When you're on the web, you will be constantly amazed at who reads you :O) - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
What are the 3 places in the world you would love to photograph the most?
Rome, New York and Cuba - Johnny
Antarctica, Africa, Japan, someday I'll get around to all three. - Thomas Hawk
Now that I think about it, I could do with about 10 more options :) - Johnny
I have yet to discover someone who: 1. is passionate about photography 2. lives near me *AND* 3. wouldn't mind teaching me to share their passion. When I do, I think I can revisit this post. Liking to be able to do so. - mjc
Greek Islands, Paris, Rome - Sean Alexander
Tokyo & Africa. I have nice shots from Cuba, is a magic place to take photos. - Nicolas Caitan
Christmas Island, New Zealand and Antarctica. Headed to Bodie, Mono Lake and Yosemite today... - jho
Vietnam (I went without a DLSR and regretted it) and Africa....can't decide on my 3rd - Benjamin Golub
Giza (egypt), China, Japan. I've shot in Giza, but it was about 20 years ago. Would love to go back there with more knowledge of photography. - jerry
Aleppo (Syria) , Toscana (Sienna), Guadeloupe (F.W.I.)...and many many more - Olivier
Australia's Great Barrier Reef (once I get that underwater housing), Mardi Gras, and perhaps Egypt for the third. - Becca
Cartagena (Colombia), Portugal (All over the place), Japan. Travel photography is my favorite kind of photography. - Juan Pablo González
Portugal for sure! - Johnny
India, Japan, Brazil. - Melissa
@Olivier: I completely forgot about Syria. Yeah, I'd love to have full access to shoot Petra - jerry
Yemen, Kashmir, Deserts of Arabia - imran
This is a really difficult question, but one that'll be a lot of fun to mull over all day. - Dave Roth
Cambodia, Peru, Greece - Bee
New Zealand, New Zealand, New Zealand :-D - Kol Tregaskes
@jerry Petra is in Jordan. Amazing to walk down the Siq and have the treasury appear from nowhere. I have traveled to lots of the places mentioned and my biggest regret is not doing more people shots. They have so much character but I don't have the confidence to photograph, especially in a Muslim country. - CJPhoto
Ditto Thomas Hawk. My answer exactly. - Ayşe E.
When I worked in the camera store processing photos the best photos came from Alaska and Africa. Those are still the two places I want to visit that I haven't yet visited. - Robert Scoble
That's tough one...Egypt, Greece, and China...as of now. :) - emon hassan
New Zealand, Africa, Greece - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Alaska, Wyoming, Canada - Chris Mayer
Greece, Cuba, Nepal - Andre Maltais
Tuscany, New Zealand, Antarctica - andrei_c
Something other than my index finger :-) - Todd Hoff
todd wins! - Johnny
Tara Hunt
Neither @innonate, @tonybgoode or I are getting Internet connections on our iPhones. Whatup?
Data Outage - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Justin Korn
Photography is Not a Crime! - http://blog.justinkorn.com/index...
UPDATE: If you want to take it one step further, here are some top people you can email at the SFMOMA to make your voice heard, Neal Benezra - Director - nbenezra@sfmoma.org, Ruth Berson - Deputy Director of Exhibitions - rberson@sfmoma.org, Ikuko Satoda - Deputy Director of Finance and Administration - isatoda@sfmoma.org - Justin Korn
Awesome Candace! - Justin Korn
thanks for those emails, Justin! - Richard Walker
Richard: You bet! Use them wisely :) - Justin Korn
Of course! -- "FYI, I'm considering launching a boycott of SF MoMA in response to your shameful and outrageous treatment of local photographer Thomas Hawk. Regards, Richard Walker" - Richard Walker
Ok, here is what the website says in terms of photography. He didn't tell exactly what it said: "Cameras Photography is not permitted in the galleries. Flash photography is permitted only with a handheld camera in the Atrium." So basically what it's saying is they don't want pro cameras in there it sounds like. An SLR is just a bit more pro than your standard 100 dollar camera. But who knows. Not saying he deserved the treatment or anything. - Nathan Allen Pinard
Nathan: IMHO, that sign is ambiguous. "Handheld Camera" in *my* mind, equates to, well, any camera that can be held by hand. If SF MOMA doesn't allow DSLRs, then that should've been specified... - Mona Nomura
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think hawke should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
@mona N /agree. My DSLR can be handheld. especially with a wide angle lens like Hawke had on his camera, it would not have been that obtrusive, unless a long telephoto lens. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Nathan: Two things - 1) Like Mona said, their wording means any camera that can be handheld to take a photo is okay. No questions asked. If they wanted to rule out DSLR or "pro" cameras, they should be more specific with the wording on their site. 2) Despite this, the point is Thomas Hawk was treated like a criminal, as if he was doing something wrong. Had Simon Blint actually tried to have a conversation about the issue, the entire story would be different. - Justin Korn
Almost to 3000! Awesome!! Keep it rolling... - Justin Korn
Troo (wonder who that is) has joined the conversation here: http://friendfeed.com/e... - Justin Korn
For the record, SF MoMA did *not* apologize: http://www.sfmoma.org/press... - Ontario Emperor
Seems like SFMOMA kind of misrepresented the incident there as well. Wonder if they even really talked to any of the public. And I see no cleavage in Hawk's pictures. -
The release names "witnesses on our staff and among the general public" who support their view. - Ontario Emperor
Jack Wilson, K4SAC
The Long Term Impacts of Online Critics on Personal Brands - http://www.web-strategist.com/blog...
This post is not about Thomas vs Simon B, but instead about the long term online impacts to personal and corporate brands. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Techdirt: California The Latest To Try To Outlaw Cyberbullying: Send A Mean Txt, Get Kicked Out Of School - http://techdirt.com/article...
California The Latest To Try To Outlaw Cyberbullying: Send A Mean Txt, Get Kicked Out Of School - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Digital drugs: a new worry for parents - Columns from The Kim Komando Radio Show® & Web site - http://www.komando.com/columns...
Digital drugs??? Kim does not cite any official studies on this .... - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Thomas Hawk
Simon Blint, Director of Visitor Relations at the SF MOMA is an asshole. http://thomashawk.com/2008...
Although it certainly sounds like you're right form your description, your case is stronger without the use of the word asshole. Just a thought. ;) - Erin McMahon
Pitiful. Makes me wonder if you have a discrimination case here too. Why were folks with P&S not harassed? - Kevin C. Tofel
Maybe Erin, but the guy was an asshole and I'm pissed about it. I gave him every opportunity to sit down and discuss my photography and he refused. This is not a way to treat a paying member of the museum and I don't feel that this sort of powertrippy behavior should be tolerated. Sometimes I get mad. - Thomas Hawk
First the SF zoos have animals that maul patrons, now the museums are inept as well. Personally, I can't park anywhere in that town w/o getting a ticket. Eff SF. - Pete D
Maybe he's an unhappy Zooomr user ;) - Jason Carreira
I read that story and just cant believe that people can be so blatantly rude and obnoxious while also being totally WRONG! - Manny
@TH I'd be mad too, as of course you have every right to be! I don't doubt that he was, in fact, an asshole. I'd just hate to see your calling him one work against you. Maybe an unfounded concern. (Sry- don't mean to be critical.) - Erin McMahon
Remind me the next time I find myself in San Francisco not to visit the MOMA. This is just plain ridiculous and Blint should be fired by the board... - David's View
wow ... this really sucks ... post dugg @ Digg - Steve Holden
Unbelievable! -
Thomas, if this happens to a photog/blogger of your stature, I can't imagine what would happen to others in the same situation. Shall we start a petition or a boycott? Story in SFist or SFBG? This has to stop. - Richard Walker
Thomas, I love your photography, I envy your perceptions. This dude reminds me of so many petty bureaucrats I've run into over the years and run over as often as possible. There are hundreds of ways to correct the error the museum made in hiring this person. It appears you're supported in either in person or in spirit from the majority of your fellow Freindfeeders. - Jack&Cleo
Erin that was my first comment exactly . While completely justified a more dignified adjective would yield the same attention & more accurately represent the man I have the pleasure of snuggleing with ever night. - Mrsth
people don't understand good glass. My walking around lens is a 24-70 on my D700. Whenever I walk in the room someone makes a comment about how big it is. Sure it is a big lens physically but not as large as most super zoom point and shoot cameras. - gfurry
what a f**cking retard. Not letting you take photos... "Granted". Treating a visitor that way. FAIL. (Dugg) . - Chris Farrugia
Oh, and organize a photowalk at MOMA :D - Chris Farrugia
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think you should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Search for the term "Simon Blint" in Google now. He fully deserves it and there could be no better way to teach him a lesson. - Sudar
Thomas, wow this is terrible! The SF MOMA policy on photography is clear, so hearing that you were forced out after taking photos is really hideous!! This complaint has got to reach the ears of the folks running SF MOMA so they can take appropriate action. "Protect the employees"...yeah right! What a tragedy! - Susan Beebe
Reprehensible. That was one scathingly good blog post, Thomas. - Donna Mugavero
its seems that Jeremiah has a bone to pick with Thomas.. more here http://friendfeed.com/e... - Peter Dawson
@firestar9s (Erin), his case isn't stronger without the use of "asshole." And this is what strong language is for. - Tanath
@peterdawson I don't have a 'bone to pick' with Thomas, I just want to ensure we've all thought about the long term impacts this has to online reputations. Thomas is a friend, in fact my profile pic is one he took, and I'll always be thanksful - Jeremiah Owyang
@Jeremiah, thats what friends are for.. to pick bones with. its literally means "if you have a bone to pick with someone, you are annoyed about something they have done and want to tell them how you feel." , IMHO, thats a precise defination of the terms. Pls tell the that "... but is it necessary to tag Simon an a-hole? Did Thomas (and SFMoma) act in accordance to..". NOW to me you r bone picking - Peter Dawson
I understand and appreciate Jeremiah's concern and respect his opinion and he is a friend. I'm passionate about photographer's rights and abuse of authority though. I'm not sure how many of you have been somehow infringed on for photography in the past, but I bet it's a lot of you actually. As someone who shoots every day I pretty much see it happen to me every week. Standing up for our rights and blogging the most egregious cases though is a way to stand up for something that I very much believe in. - Thomas Hawk
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It's only the 694560943 time this item was posted on FF :-/ - Amit Morson
Well, jeez... I'm just thrilled that Mona isn't going on about bacon again. ;) - Ⓒⓗⓡⓘⓢ Ⓟⓘⓡⓘⓛⓛⓞ
I think it's photography is not a crime night here on ff (or go digg this night) - Todd McKinney
Don't get her started. pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaase - Amit Morson
Tonight, I am fighting for TRUE democracy. Web 2.0 style! - Mona Nomura
Keep fighting the good fight Mona, I think it might be working... - Todd McKinney
203! YEAH! - Mona Nomura
So what happens? I don't see it on the front page, or even tech. - Todd McKinney
That does pretty much suck. If there were so many people taking pictures, why didn't they get them as well? - Matthew B
208, with me in there... - Amit Morson
Amit: Sorry, but this something I really believe is WRONG (as do a bunch of people on FF) and it is important we get as many people to see this as possible...please DIGG it and try to get everyone to see it. Thanks. - Justin Korn
This was most likely one of those things where they were freaking out about terrorists and what not. But at any rate, most places like that have the right to refuse anyone for any reason. - Nathan Allen Pinard
Justin, I 100% agree, that's why I logged in to digg to vote, which is not something I do very often. Still half my FF front page is about this it :o) - Amit Morson
Nathan: Like Candace said, it has nothing to do with SFMOMA refusing Thomas...it's the way it was handled. It's ridiculous and quite frankly, moronic. If this Simon guy had an issue (due to business) he could have talked to Thomas in a civilized way. Thomas is a reasonable guy and would have talked with the guy had he offered to, but that was not the case. - Justin Korn
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think hawke should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Mona Nomura
Photography is Not a Crime - Blint of SFMOMA is an asshole! - http://thomashawk.com/2008...
I've been kicked out of several museums for taking pictures... Apparently they had a $1MILLION dollar coin that was on display... In their opinion, I was going to pull an Ocean's 11 on them. - Michael Forian
Well it's one thing if there is NO photography allowed, and you sneak a camera.. especially a dslr. BUT!!! In T.Hawk's case, he 1. purchased a membership and 2. took photos were it said it was ok on the website. For taht asshole to treat him like some sort of criminal, is BLATANTLY WRONG - Mona Nomura
taht asshole is teh suck!! - Josh Haley
Seriously. I HATE pretentious unreasonable ASSWIPES that abuses their power. EF THAT - Mona Nomura
AMEN! - Justin Korn
Is everyone diggin' it? I can't believe it's still under 200 diggs.. wtf - Mona Nomura
Consider it Dugg. - Roger Benningfield
-high five!!!- - Mona Nomura
@Mona. Thanks for the heads up. Done. - Dave Martin
that is SO what I'm talking about. DIGG IT PEEPS! EF ASSHOLES! - high five dave! :) - - Mona Nomura
Director of "Visitor Relations" somehow seems a misnomer. - Michael W. May
I know, talk about an EFin understatment. Ugh. Hopefully this will cause attention and SOME sort of action will be taken. Seriously. I don't know Thomas Hawk personally but this kind of treatment to ANY other human is SO not okay. - Mona Nomura
I've met TH a couple times now and he would NEVER do anything to deserve this. He keeps saying, had this Simon Blint actually talked with him, we would have had a civil conversation with him. DIGG it people! - Justin Korn
YES! I don't understand why it's still at under 200. Come on guys, digg it and get the motherfucker fired! - Mona Nomura
for the love of ... would a simple "i'm not comfortable with the type of camera you're using, and would prefer you not take photos with it until i've cleared it with Jane Doe" have been so difficult? i bet TH would have gone to Jane's office with Blint to explain the bleeding camera, had that been necessary. i'd better go join digg, i suppose. - idnan
It's all about the power of the people. Web 2.0 = REAL democracy. Oh, the irony LOL idnan: digg is only good for one thing, the FFers' blog posts we believe in, to reach as many people as possible.. oh and like the two faced cat born in ohio or something =P You can also click on the digg picture and reach the digg link, too :) - Mona Nomura
That is a ridiculous power trip. I haven't used Digg in a while but I had to dig up my login info just for this one. - Joe "The Anvil" Pierce
It's well worth it, dude. Fuck that asshole! (director of customer relations dude) And photographers are NOT criminals!! - high five - - Mona Nomura
NICE! 200 diggs y'all! Now can we go back to talking about bacon, please? ;) - Mona Nomura
If you take any pictures of bacon, I'll director of visitor relation you. - Ontario Emperor from fftogo
HA!! - Mona Nomura
omg, you guys! It's at the top of the front page. See? Social Networking sites are NOT useless! - Mona Nomura
Next stop, Slashdot? - Pete D
Isn't Slashdot, like the.. National Enquirer? btw, I posted a MySpace bulletin, Facebook link, posted in a few Flickr groups, as well as a few camera sites. Wanna help, too? - Mona Nomura
Oh, ok! I'll send that person an email. - Mona Nomura
Valleywag is the tabloid blog, true. Slashdot just has a news ranking system that isn't as novel as Digg's, but they're not that far removed. - Pete D
I'm not sure if Slashdot will accept it, but I put it under 'censorship', since there were no other fitting categories.. =| *edit: it looks like someone already submitted it! - Mona Nomura
As a amateur photographer that uses a DSLR, I always carry a copy of http://www.krages.com/phorigh... Many people are ignorant about the rights of a person to use a camera. As the museum's own website allows use of photography, I think hawke should contact the Museum's director and go over this person's head. - Jack Wilson, K4SAC
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