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So, what is the in code these days for librarians? - maʀtha

Morse - Steele Lawman

Source. - Louise "Weezy" Alcorn

Switching. - Catherine Pellegrino

<love>I feel the same way. Sometimes, I think I <i>might</i> dream in html code.</love> - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

This post makes me want to abuse the blink tag. - kaijsa

Except tables. I forgot how much I hate tables. - laura x

Frames are evil. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

How to make an html hacker go slowly crazy</span> - awd

:-) - lris

conference? what conference? #sistersindenial - Catherine Pellegrino

But not before Tuesday. :) - Lisa Hinchliffe

Lisa speaks my language - lris

I fiiiiinally finished creating my poster and handout. Won't be getting those days of my life back. - Lily

Uh, yeah... I'm not presenting anything. I'm finding it overwhelming just to show up... - lris

Watch out for places that make you reimburse them for the travel if they offer the job and you don't accept it. - Royce's favorite Anna

what warmaiden said for academic library interviews. they'll generally make first contact via email to ask you if you're still interested and to set up a phone/skype interview. don't stress over it. especially if it seems like its taken a while. a lot of academic places are slow and can take a month contact after initial review dates are set. - Sir Shuping is just sir

Okay, cool. Thanks. I was thinking I probably wouldn't hear back from anyone until after spring break/Easter anyway, but I know other fellow job hunters are getting phone calls and interviews. - Derrick

For us, initial contact is usually by email, and we always do phone interviews for our first round (anywhere from 4 to 8 people, on the committees I've been on). If someone makes the cut for an in-person interview (3 people, max), we'll either email or phone to let them know and give a choice of dates. We offer to make travel and hotel arrangements for the candidate or they can make... more... - Kirsten

DC DC DC DC - Jason

yeah it all depends on the univ. i know of one major univ. that took 3 months to say "hey we're just now doing phone interviews, you still interested?" don't get discouraged and just keep going - Sir Shuping is just sir

Wouldn't hurt to follow up with an email, just to check in on where they are in the process. Some libraries have workflows in place to communicate well with applicants and candidates, and some have almost zero communication. It took us a couple of years to realize that HR did almost zero communicating with applicants, and now we have a process in place for search committees that takes care of it. - Royce's favorite Anna

When I applied/interviewed and was hired at Arizona, I applied in late October or early November, got follow up written questions (it was very strange) to respond to in December, then didn't interview until March or April. For GSU, I think I applied in February, did a phone interview in March, actual interview in April, with an offer within about 10 days after that. So yeah, it very much depends upon the speed of the organization. - ellbeecee

We, on the other hand, aren't allowed to talk with candidates re: the process and have to refer any inquiries to HR. So while Anna's right that it doesn't hurt to ask if it's been several months since the position closed, be aware that you might not get much of an answer. - Kirsten

My Public Library does phone first if you live far away and then will follow up with in person interview if you pass the first interview. Derrick, DO NOT STRESS about this. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫

Sounds good. I've just been a big ball of stress for the last six weeks and all I can think about is that I have a last day coming up in July, I love the work I do, and really would love to be somewhere I can continue to do this. Will try and calm down about it. Thanks again. - Derrick

If you do a phone interview, do it standing up. TRUST ME ON THIS. - Chris Z.

Also, applying now is good because academic places, at least, are probably hoping for an August start date. Also, what Zamms said (plus "with pants on".) - ωαřмaiden ❤Marrit Woman❤

we sometimes use Skype instead of phone, fwiw - maʀtha

also, in academia, the whole process can take FOREVER - maʀtha

Forever plus a day. Don't lie to him Martha. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫

the last one i applied to and was contacted for had this process: 1. contact by phone 2. one hour in person job talk (your dime) 3. Skype interview with library director and college vp. so definitely YMMV in regards to the process. but, from my experience usually like the above - Jason - The Opaque from Android

Also, one of the big hold ups can be getting people in a room together. It seemed to take an act of God to get people scheduled for the position I just sent up recommendations for--mostly because my calendar fills two months out and my colleagues are the same. We have to find the days when the most people can be on campus to talk to you. - Hedgehog

Yeah, I can see that. I'm going to take this time to chill out and enjoy my extended weekend and not stress over this. You lot are the best. - Derrick

remember to apply at all manner of libraries. your pre library experience may be a leg up in some cases and you should not limit yourself to academic libraries. You would be awesome anywhere. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫

if there is any way I can help, D, you know you got me in your corner - maʀtha

This is only quasi-related, but hopefully useful advice: create a cheat sheet for your phone interview. Do a search for common phone interview questions, jot down ones you think you might be asked with a few notes about an answer. That helped me feel WAY more confident in my phone interviews! - Laura H.

Also, D, if you've not had someone give you feedback on your resume/CV and cover letter, please let us! That's the kind of thing we're generally happy to do before hand - it saves is from writing those cover letter blog posts. ;) - ellbeecee

I have looked at those blog posts, ellbeecee! How do you think I got mine so finely tuned? I've had people give them the once over so I feel good about that aspect of it, it's just the waiting that's killer. And Laura, I will do just that! Thanks again everyone. This is all incredibly helpful. - Derrick

ZAMMS DOES IT STANDING UP - Steele Lawman

this time of year, things can be extended because the budgt isn't known until next year. esp for libraries with public funding (univs & public libraries). So I raise martha's forever and 410s + 1 day to present this formula: forever + 1 day + next fiscal year if ≥ April 1. - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

One of my internship supervisors had a job that took 18 months from application to notification. 9 months of that because an administrator had a heart attack and no one wanted to hire anyone until the new person got in--but they didn't bother to inform the applicants. - Rebecca Hedreen

They basically throw a dozen or so books onto the floor in a dark room and give you a flashlight. You have 3 minutes to organize them left to right by the Dewey Decimal system. Succeed and you pass. Fail, and at least you have something to read when the lights come on. - Louis Gray

NO, what they do is lock you in a room with an Elsevier rep and an ebook publisher rep and you have to break out of the room together using 1.5 wooden matches before the tiger eats you. - maʀtha

(the trick is to feed the reps to the tiger) - jambina

Definitely get feedback on your written materials, but you can practice the rest, too. I've done mock phone interviews with people to help them practice, followed by a conversation with advice and feedback--and would be willing to do this again, FYI. I imagine others around these parts would do the same. My style is tough love and lots of support. - kaijsa

Happy to do feedback on job-talk slides, when you get that far. - RepoRat

Signing that agreement for my chapter was such a pleasure. - Hedgehog

I was avoiding opening that email. No longer! - lris

I feel precisely the same way - RudĩϐЯaЯïan from YouFeed

Holla. - Steele Lawman

Fortunately, the force is strong within you - maʀtha

After 26 times, you'll have to re-order a new soul. - Andy

hahahahahahahahaha - maʀtha

If only I could, Andy, if only I could. - laura x

Every time I order ebooks from publishers that have no DRM and provide user-friendly interfaces, a part of my soul is reborn. However, so much of my soul died when we bought NetLibrary packages that I have a lot of soul to recover still. - Royce's favorite Anna

I suppose I should have known this, but I just found out that when you download PDFs from some ebook vendors, the PDFs are page images, and NOT actually searchable. Isn't searchability one of the CORE affordances of an ebook? I. Can't. Even. - Amandadon't

But if the text is searchable, then it can be stripped out of the pdf. And that would be bad. - DJF from Android

FRICTION! - kaijsa

Sorry, I was looking for the non-friction section. - Steele Lawman

I was just talking about another ebook hell where we claim we own the "ebook", but in reality can't download to a device or save for offline reading, and a colleague hilariously said: "that's not an ebook, that's just a really long web page." - Amandadon't

Except that a really long webpage you could easily download to a device or save for offline reading... - Steele Lawman

and you could print every page of the really long web page. *sigh* - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

I'm now in love with "non-friction" as a term. - kaijsa

I would love some non-friction ebooks. Actually, at this point, I'd settle for being able to buy the same books as ebooks that I can buy in print and not having Amazon fuck with patron data. - laura x

I would post my instagram to twitter except that the link doesn't seem to work. I often farm out the instagramming to my work study students, so it only requires me to think "oh, ask A. to instagram something" I have 23 followers, but each pic gets 2-3 likes - which is pretty high engagement - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

That's great engagement. We get good traffic on FB and people seem to love the photos, so I wondered how Instagram was working for you. - kaijsa

LB has won the libraryland internet for today - awd

:) - LB: #TeamMonique from Android

So brilliant. - Andy

I bet they go around terrorizing libraries by inflicting Dewey Decimation. #Sorry #ThatsaBadOne - Jkram|ɯɐɹʞſ

I've been wringing my hands and rocking back and forth thinking, "What can I do, what can I do?" with "One Day More" from Les Miz playing in the background for too long. I'll probably still be in my funk, but at least I'll feel a little more confident about strutting my skills on for someone somewhere else. - Derrick

wants to see Derrick strut his skills ----> - t-ra: not givin up

I'm with T-ra. Also, I just want to see Derrick. - lris

I've got it down considering I've been strutting since I was about two. - Derrick from iPhone

I just imagined Derrick doing the Cabbage Patch. Because that is the picture next to "Derrick is awesome." in my dictionary. - Julian

Dude, you got skills. You just need to find the best place to lay down all that awesomeness. :) - c.a.j.

I choose to believe that at the end of the presenation, D *dropped bow tie* and walked out :D - Johnny from iPhone

Thanks y'all. And I did all of this sans bow tie. :) - Derrick

Goodness. - lris

oh, that one! cool. I actually still like that one. This is not true of all the things I've ever done. - RepoRat

w00t! - John Dupuis

I haven't seen anything like that...but I wish I had. - Stephen le Francoeur

It's kinda like Google Set, before they killed Google Set, but with more functionality because there's more metadata to work with. - Meg V. Meg

I wonder if you could build a proof of concept in Sciverse. - Meg V. Meg

That would have been awesome in Google Wave, too. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

So many fish, er, journals in the sea. SO MANY. :) - RepoRat

Thanks! :0) Ha ha, that helps. I'm non-faculty & so this isn't required, but I found something of interest. It's more a "How to use tool X" than, say, a research article. - Yvonne

First article I ever sent out got rejected, kind of snottily, too. Decided it was okay, resubmitted elsewhere, and it made the LIRT top twenty that year. SO. THERE. If you believe in your ideas, keep on submitting. It's kind of a crapshoot. - barbara fister

*\o/* *shakes pompoms* - LB: #TeamMonique

It's totally a crapshoot, because you can't know the publication pressures editors are facing -- maybe they just ran several things too much like that, or someone on the editorial board has a pet peeve, or simply doesn't like your writing style -- and very little of that is about you, or about your writing, or about your content. So if you believe in the work and its value, try until... more... - Jenica

I got my experience with this submitting to sf magazines, where I followed a practice suggested by fellow authors of preparing a list of potential markets beforehand so that when a rejection came back I could immediately print out a new copy, shove it in a new envelope, and get it out of the house again so as not to distract from writing the next story. - Deborah Fitchett

Dittoing Deborah's advice, though my experience comes more from the romance genre side of things :D - Katie

Thanks for the advice, everyone, it's much appreciated. - Yvonne

What everybody sez (maybe especially Jenica: page budgets and "similarity" are both real issues). My first library-related book was, in essence, rejected (as in never accepted) by the first publisher I sent it to. It went on to be a big seller and vitally important for its time. And if Barbara F. has had articles rejected, it can happen to pret'much anybody. (Certainly including me. More than once.) - Walt Crawford

aw, and my cataloging co-worker is already enhancing the OCLC record so when people get the book the record they download will look nice. :) - Marie

Happy book day - Hedgehog from Android

yay!! - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

Happy book day to you Marie. Congrats. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫ from FFHound!

Thank you! - Marie

*throws confetti* - RepoRat

Can I like this again today? - Catherine Pellegrino

At least it sounds like he's learning something. A student in my infolit class on semester insisted in writing his research paper on how everything is online for free, which is hurting book authors. Then he wrote his paper and couldn't find sources to support his thesis and grudgingly moved to a slightly more cluefull perspective. - kaijsa

I sent him to talk to our head of Coll Dev. He emerged wide-eyed. - lris

I think this is very cool. Good for him! - maʀtha

Yeah, he's a neat kid. Now with information! - lris

Supply and Demand, meet Artificial Scarcity. - Steele Lawman

Journal B is from Springer. I can pay them several thousand dollars I don't have to make the article OA, or I can put it in an IR (also don't have) or self-archive it, but only after a 12-month embargo. They appear to require me to transfer my copyright. - Catherine Pellegrino

Journal C is from Elsevier. I've signed on to Cost of Knowledge, so that's a no-go. - Catherine Pellegrino

Journal D appears to be published by a scholarly society of sorts. They say the initial review process takes 5 months. My tenure portfolio is due Oct. 1 and the article isn't precisely finished yet, so that's a no-go. They also require me to transfer my copyright. - Catherine Pellegrino

Journal E is also published by a scholarly society and has a 17% acceptance rate. Yeaaaaaah, no. - Catherine Pellegrino

Given the choices, it's no surprise faculty do what they do. (None of these are LIS journals, by the way.) - Catherine Pellegrino

Catherine, thanks for taking the time to spell out this concrete example. So useful for demonstrating the problem. (is your article a sort where the "what about PLOS ONE" question would be relevant?) - Heather Piwowar

Thanks, Heather, but no - it's at the intersection of ed-psych, LIS, and distance-ed/online-learning. I'll probably wind up submitting it to an LIS journal of some sort (one possible candidate is another T&F title, sigh). Mostly, though, it just makes me feel hemmed in and panicky. - Catherine Pellegrino

Yeah, I hear you. :( - Heather Piwowar

Yes, I agree with Heather - thanks for sharing this. It helps those of us who talk to faculty about these issues to better understand! But sorry that it's frustrating for you. - Sarah

Thanks, Sarah - it's eye-opening to me, too, because most of the time I'm on the other side of this transaction, wondering why faculty make the (apparently stupid and short-sighted) decisions that they do. Now that I'm temporarily seeing it through their eyes, it makes a lot more sense. It also reminds me a lot of, I can't remember the specific economic term, but it's the phenomenon... more... - Catherine Pellegrino

Also thanks here: I'm tagging this as background material for my April OA precon, as this is a GREAT example of the legitimate difficulties/issues in OA on the ground. - Walt Crawford

[When I say background: I won't point to it directly, but will mention the situation as a real-world issue. One I frankly had sort of skimmed over...] - Walt Crawford

This is brilliant and fascinating. (Also, totally frustrating for you.) A very good eye-opener. Reality checks are awesome. - Jenica

Walt, you can point to it directly if you want; I posted it in a public forum. And Heather, Sarah, anyone else: if using this material, either quoting it or paraphrasing it or whatever, would help you in communicating with various communities, by all means please do so. - Catherine Pellegrino

Thanks for sharing this, Catherine. Have you considered using the Scholar's Copyright Addendum engine from science commons, maybe with the T&F journals? The Access-Reuse version would help you keep most of your rights. From what I've heard, worst case scenario is that they just don't agree to it, and then you're back where you started. But if they accept it, that would be an improvement. - Grumpator

I'm intrigued by this, I think, because it never occurred to me to do a blind walkthrough approximating the user experience of the process in re: publishing/OA. I did that with a Kindle recently, trying to see what the user experience of ebooks in libraries is like, and i do it with other library services/spaces, but this one never occurred to me. Blind spot. - Jenica

Your specific case will be really helpful for me in talking to my subject faculty, Catherine. Thank you for sharing it. I know it's not nice to ask people to do more work, but if you plan on writing up this scenario on your blog, it sure would be a great resource to point to. Also, I'd love to hear where you finally decide to publish, partly because I want to read the article, and partly to find out the ending to the story. - kaijsa

Thanks, Kaijsa, I hadn't thought about writing it up on my blog, but maybe I will...maybe not until the article gets accepted, or something, I'm not sure. I'll look into the Scholar's Copyright Addendum, since right now it's looking like the top choice, both in terms of scope and in terms of OA possibilities, is Journal A, the Taylor & Francis imprint. That way, if they reject the... more... - Catherine Pellegrino

in my experience most journals accept the SPARC addendum... - jambina

this is great. it illustrates my long-held belief that librarians should (try to) do things that the facultys do - both so we have credibility with them ("oh, I know how hard it is to figure out where to publish! let me show you some helpful tools…") and so we have some familiarity with their struggles ("yeah, grading is the worst!") - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

OK; I may link to the thread in supplemental materials/links (which, presumably, only a few dozen or few score Oregon and Washington librarians will see)--in any case, it's a great case study. - Walt Crawford

May I just suggest E-LIS as a subject repositiry of choice ? http://eprints.rclis.org/ - marlene

Hemen Dutta is constantly emailing about opportunities to publish in IRSSH: "Dear Readers/Researchers/Professor, It is our pleasure to invite you to read the following journal. You may also submit your valuable research paper, if any for publication in the following peer-reviewed international journal which is indexed and abstracted/abstracted/archived in many world reputed databases.... more... - Steele Lawman

I love you. That is all. - RepoRat

;) - Marie

Wise, you are. - Jen

This is useful, yet so difficult sometimes. - kaijsa

Marie is my teacher. I hope to reach her level of smarts and peace when I grow up. - Royce's favorite Anna

We continue to bask in the awesome glow that is Marie. Coming to a presentation near you. - ♫410 I Coach 'em Up♫

*something in my eye* - Marie

Apparently his project changed editors part way through. I wonder if this signals newer thinking? - lris

I hope so? I mean, I'd hesitate to say "Oxford has changed!" but it's great that some parts of the Oxford machine are willing to change, and interested in new ways of thinking. - Jenica

Right, that's kind of how I'm looking at it, too. - lris

Huh. Well, maybe they stubbed their toe on copyright too often and are seeing its dark side. Now if the rest of the organization would just .... (and curious how much he was using? If a line or two, it should never have required permission in the first place.) - barbara fister

Sidebar: lots of people like to use song lyrics in books; some publishers insist you track down whatever company owns the rights and pay them a boatload, and others say lah di dah, it's fair use. Go figure.My publisher did not take the fair use route and I spent months trying to pay Sony for the right to use two line of a Leonard Cohen song available on million of webpages for which,... more... - barbara fister

Also, I think that's > 10 percent of our entire student body... - Marianne

OH SHIT. That's so much more awesome than I thought it would be. - Steele Lawman

INORITE? - Marianne

I love CC - Megan loves summer

Oh, that should go on the library's home page! - Laura Norvig from iPhone

This bangs so hard. - Derrick

This is my favorite one yet! - Marie

awesome! - $tephanie•Cog$ciLibrarian

Wow. - kaijsa

we were debriefed on the Harlem Shuffle today in our reference team meeting, in case one happens in our information commons. :) - Elizabeth Brown

Heh. My student supervisor yesterday was all "so... uh... if something like this ever happens again and I'm in charge of the building, and it ISN'T pre-approved, WHAT DO I DO???" :D - Marianne

"You go on break." - Steele Lawman

I am still not entirely sure whether that person in the lower right corner who's bashing a ... beach ball? ... over someone else's head is buck naked or not. - Catherine Pellegrino

What to do? Join in. Keep your clothes on. - barbara fister

^^^ good advice for life in general. - Marianne

i am ridiculously in love with this - jambina

I am trying to decide which I love more: this, or Barbara's advice. - Catherine Pellegrino

way to go joe! well deserved. - kendrak

congrats - Walt Crawford

Well done, Joe! - Catherine Pellegrino

That is excellent. - Steele Lawman

Yay Joe! Well deserved indeed! - Heather Piwowar

#fuckyeahbuttercup right? - LibrarianOnTheLoose

congrats! - Sir Shuping is just sir

awwright! go Joe! - barbara fister

Congratulations! - Mary Carmen from iPhone

Aw shucks. - Yo Joe. No, go slow.

Sweet! - Yvonne

Congrats! W00t - John Dupuis