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Django Appliance | Turnkey Linux Software Appliances - http://www.turnkeylinux.org/applian...
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This appliance includes all the standard features in TurnKey Core, and on top of that: * SSL support out of the box * Preconfigured example Django project located at /var/www/django-sites/apps o Integrated with Apache2 and MySQL. o Built-in administration console with embedded online documentation. o Static serving of images and media files /var/www/django-sites/httpdocs. o The Django project secret and database password will be regenerated during installation (security). * Webmin modules for configuring Apache2, and MySQL.
- Micah
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Facebook acquires FriendFeed. Interview with Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed. - http://btre.blogtalkradio.com/74_2996...
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No info about the financial aspects of the deal for now.
- TiTi
Ithink that tey have to do it now, or never
- abdellah
"committed to supporting the needs of FF user community"
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Nice :) Thanks Robert
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
^^until FB shutters FF
- JCunwired
nice scoop!
- Marc Ostrick
@Brian How many times have we heard that line before? :(
- Rodrigo Jaroszewski
I hope they made a bunch of money, because they SOLD US ALL :(
- zio bonino
Robert, was this really posted 5 hours ago?
- Daniel Chow
Robert: Say "cool" less!
- Stephen Foskett
I was thinking the same thing. Count how many times you said "Cool" Robert ;)
- Andru Edwards
This acquisition is most likely going to suck for users, but congrats to the FF team. Once Google announced Wave, selling to Facebook was probably the only remaining exit strategy worth the money.
- Chip Ramsey
last comment 2 hours ago on FF by Paul Buchheit, FF CEO, was just " :)" http://friendfeed.com/paul #friendbook
- Jacopo Gio
I don't know if i'm excited by the possiblities of this move, or frightened by what this could mean.
- John Czwartacki
I hope they don't spoil it for us. I just want to keep coming to Friendfeed.com
- Mark
If they had no plans of shutting down FriendFeed and rolling features into Facebook they would have said so right away to avoid speculation and to reassure FF users. I am trying not to be suspicious, but I am.
- Inside Alaska
I'm in the same camp Alaska
- Keith - @tsudo
Andru: it was about 100 degrees outside where I was doing the interview. I was trying to think cool and keep my cool. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe now we'll be able to integrate Facebook feed with FF & twitter
- Justin Long
Faceborg...Googlebook...time to move back to StumbleUpon? Guess we should have seen this coming when FriendFeed got integrated into FeedBurner.
- Internet Strategist
This interview is pretty funny... the person interviewing sounds like he just wants to ask questions for the sake of asking questions...;-) ... thanks for the insightful interview but..
- Sherif Mansour
In the interview, it was said that FriendFeed was not in immediate danger and could have continued for a number of years on their own. I'm not quite sure if that is true, because FriendFeed didn't develop their own business model.
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
About integrating the social graphs, my social networks on FF and FB had different purposes. I don't have any friends on FB whom I haven't personally met, whereas I subscribe to some people I don't know on FF just because their feeds are interesting. On a related note, the FB graph is undirected and the FF graph is directed.
- Ruchira S. Datta
@Scobleizer interviews Paul Buchheit, cofounder of FriendFeed RE acquisition by Facebook.
- Deano @ Byron New Media
Rough transcript: http://friendfeed.com/brlewis...
- Bruce Lewis
Paul and Brett jumped at the chance to increase their user base a thousand-fold. Whatever comes out of this is going to be huge.
- Vezquex
You are right vzx
- Nicolas Gosset
from IM
"tremendous opportunity" is so vague. Opportunity for who? What opportunity exactly? Or is it just the opportunity to allow the friendfeed employees who weren't already rich to get rich?
- Laura Norvig
Laura: it's every engineer's dream to change the world of 300 million people instead of a few hundred thousand people. That's why this is a tremendous opportunity.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh. I guess. It's just very hard to think of Facebook as a life-changing venue.
- Laura Norvig
Robert: Thanks for this - some information at last!
- Jim Connolly
Choose Your Own Adventure – Most Likely You’ll Die - http://flowingdata.com/2009...
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From FlowingData: "Remember those choose your own adventure books that you used to read as a kid? As you read through the book, you come to these points where you have to make a decision for the main character, and depending on what you chose, a tailored adventure would divulge itself. It always seemed like death was a common ending no matter what path you chose though. Michael Niggel took a look at Journey Under the Sea, and mapped out all possible paths. It turns out that death and unfavorable endings are in fact much more likely than the rest."
- Mark Trapp
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My ToDo List
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ooo, shiny!
- Michael W. May
I notice it's not complete...
- Mo Kargas
I meant to post this two or three days ago... This is my brain. This is my brain on nothing. Any questions?
- Michael W. May
2. Complete bullet points.
- John (bird whisperer)
See "recursion"
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
I remember being told once that you should always start your lists with the "make a list" item so that you can check something off as soon as the list is made and have that feeling of a good start.
- Michael W. May
It doesn't work for me either, because I cannot seem to finish making a list anymore.
- Michael W. May
:-) Same list here. But I didn't make the list yet. You're 1 step ahead.
- Ton Zijp
I like to add the stuff I've already done, so I can check them off.
- Ken Morley
Recursion WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
@net_twitter does Net::Twitter respect the newly requested 30x guidelines by Twitter? If not is a new version on its way?
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To Jump on the Massive Unfollowing Trend Would Be a Mistake - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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"So too do I see it better that 100 spammers fill my feed than I lose access to the innocents who remain. I am not so self-centered as to believe I know the full set of people who I can learn from and derive value. So don't look for me to start shaking my numbers down on any of the networks - even if it is getting more popular. " love this part of the post, however I want just to notice...
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- abdellah
fighting talk - I do believe you just called scoble self-centered. Still I am sure he has been called worse ;)
- Riaz Kanani
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering
- Barak Hachamov
filter before you fellow
- abdellah
Riaz, Scoble and I get along great. I wouldn't call him self-centered.
- Louis Gray
I shared this in GR as soon as I read it. Congrats on a great post, Louis! All I can say is finally someone has said it. This trend of unfollowing is rather disturbing imho and shows how self-centered some people are, how desperate for attention others are, and how they all are rather clueless at creating valuable networks on these social tools they so much love to love.
- Vlad Bobleanta
true, but people who don't appreciate following others shouldn't do it and shld unfollow..keeps tweeting young and influential. also, the only way to get rid of spam is to unfollow/block each such perp
- Amit 'zyaada' Mittal
Louis: you will come to dislike your choice here. I used to say the same thing, but as you get more and more people who you aren't interested in you'll realize you just aren't getting anything out of the home page on Twitter anymore and, worse, you are getting spammed both on it and via DMs. That might not be a big problem for you with 12,000 friends, but as your numbers move up (and they will) you'll hit the same problems I did.
- Robert Scoble
Why is Louis' followers number growing very very slowly relative to his popularity on the net
- Mark
Robert, I never did get anything out of the homepage of Twitter anyway. :)
- Louis Gray
I think unfollowing makes sense on Twitter. On Friendfeed Lists are your friends.
- Paul Kinlan
Mark, I would say it has to do with not being put on any kind of suggested list. :)
- Louis Gray
I don't find that the Twitter website does a good job of making Twitter usable. The applications are what make it usable for me.
- Michael Owens
Unfollowing kinda makes sense. Have you ever played an RPG the second time through... you know what to do in the beginning, you aren't lost, and you know what your end goal is? Yeah. That's pretty much what we are talking about here.
- Evan Travers
I like that Evan :) RPG
- michelle harris
Yeah, the real thing here is we both are heavy users of FriendFeed. That's why I didn't care that my Twitter feed was getting worse and worse. Over the past year I've done almost all my Twitter reading here on FriendFeed. Now that I've restarted it, though, damn is it 100x more useful! And, yes, there are lots of people who are on Twitter who aren't on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
I could barely handle following 600 or so people, even with appropriate tweetdeck filters. There were too many people who just weren't adding value. I made a particular point to unfollow anyone who regarded themselves as an "SEO" or "Internet Marketing" expert.. I had made the mistake of following back anyone who followed me and slowly began to realize that they were just playing the numbers game.
- Neeraj Kumar Agrawal
abdellah: I am starting to agree with "filter before you follow", which I also believe is what Robert Scoble is doing now as he starts to follow people. Louis Gray: I don't think it is a movement to unfollow everyone, at least, not for me. I think Scoble had to start from scratch because of the number he had... for me, having a very small number in comparison, I will start unfollowing...
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- Timothy Federwitz
I've been curious as to the counter argument to this trend. Scoble's reaction albeit extreme is one I can empathize with, but unnecessarily severe. I appreciate the alternate perspective and grounded reasoning to your approach. While I have far fewer followers the numbers have crossed the line of unmanageable with out an automation service. Thanks for the great post and food for thought.
- Jim Goldstein
Scoble has this big 7 point list of criteria for following you on twitter, but on Friendfeed he will follow anyone who asks!
- Mark
Mark: that's because on FriendFeed I can have lists. So I can use a variety of different following strategies here. On twitter I can only follow or not.
- Robert Scoble
I think I am in the middle on this. I am not about to wholesale unfollow everyone, but the noise from news bots etc in my twitter feed is getting insane. I am still nowhere close to "getting" FF so I am still struggling a bit here too.. In fact, I have fallen right back into the trap I was in a few months ago. I think it's time for another social medai diet
- Andy Glover
Robert, you can certainly use tools like tweet deck to create groups, but . . .whatever. To me, it's just not an issue, either way. I like it when folks that I find interesting (and Robert is certainly among them!) follow me back, but it's not essential. I don't need to follow the Roberts of the world on Twitter in order to check in on what they're up to, from time to time. Unless someone has a private feed, it seems to be a non-issue.
- Kathy Fitch
Andy: on FriendFeed whenever things go nutty, just open up a new friend list and move your high quality follows into that. Leave all the other people in the old list, so you can check in once in a while.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how anyone could follow as many people as Robert w/o losing control. Twitter would become marginalized by sheer un-manageability. Even with groups etc. there's only so much real estate on a monitor. I have groups on FriendFeed as well but honestly I spend most of my time on the home feed.
- Rick Bucich
That said, when I'm launching a new twitter presence (as I just have for an organization), it's *really, really great* when people and organizations with similar interests follow back. If nobody did, that would just be sad. Still, I'm mostly interested in the feed aspect of things, so even then, it's not really crucial to have followers.
- Kathy Fitch
What I don't get, and what has never been explained to me despite asking, is why have low "quality follows" in the first place? I know you follow me, and given that there is seldom interaction its quite apparent I'm not on the high quality follows list. If its not for ego, what's the point? Mass unfollow, filter, etc. that's entirely your decision, but why follow to the point that mass unfollow is necessary?
- JCunwired
I've always had the policy of being quick to follow and even quicker to unfollow. As soon as someone begins to bore or annoy me I just unfollow them. But on the other hand I'm glad to follow people on a whim. You never know.
- Leo Laporte
Rick--so true. In some ways, the conversations that these folks with massive followings are having around the follow/unfollow issue just is utterly irrelevant to those of us with more moderate goals and purposes.
- Kathy Fitch
Nice to see Leo Laporte being more involved on Friendfeed
- Mark
Right Leo - follow to see what's interesting, unfollow when you find out there's no value. The alternative, if I may say so, is misleading and unfair to the end user.
- JCunwired
Value in this instance is pretty subjective, and that's the point, really. What is your subject position? I'm in SMB mode, so what I'm after is quite unlike what a twit guru would be after. For me, the following/follower # some are cutting down to would be massive. If I hit those numbers, then I'd probably want to trim it back down. Robert is still about 500 over anything I'd be interested in.
- Kathy Fitch
One of the first people I looked through was Leo Laporte's following page. He has some great people who he is following.
- Robert Scoble
Take a look at Dave Winer's RSS Cloud technique - a great way to assess a following list in your newsreader before adding. http://www.scripting.com/stories...
- Leo Laporte
Why limit yourself? Someone asks to follow me, I check out their profile and tweets. If the words SEO,check out my webcam, or Arrington are there, I don't follow, If I do follow, I give them a month and then unfollow if any major douchbaggery makes its way to mine eyes.
- Paul Puri
Ah, somewhere there's an SEO person who is offering useful tweets about how beginners can use the basic Google Analytics and Webmaster tools to help them create better, more useful sites for users and potential users. That person could be good for some folks to follow.
- Kathy Fitch
On the "low quality followers/follows" point, I really needed some of those at first to help me get a feel for the ebb and flow. The trajectory of any given twitter user's account, if it's public, probably follows that basic pattern of "whoo hooo, followers!" to "what the heck?" to "now that I get how it works, how would I like it to work for me?" Seems pretty common sense. It's okay that answers to the final question vary. All as it should be.
- Kathy Fitch
I'm just generalizing, of course, but most of the people who try to follow me that have SEO in their bio have 10 tweets and they are link bait.
- Paul Puri
I shared w/ Robert and will share with you, YES I spend too much time trying to block all the FakePornSpamBot accounts. And I miss blocking many. BUT, my HOME Stream is the most amazing view of the world! With a few refreshes I can get the pulse of what's going on! Besides, even if someone is often a voyeur, there are those times they pop up and share the most insightful things! I believe I can learn from everyone! So if you're real and follow me - I'll follow you!
- Arleen Boyd
In parallel to this, I do manage a corporate account for one of the companies I consult for. Every follow and unfollow there is measured. But I learned a long time ago, that at least for me, people just want to be connected, on any network they prefer, so I try not to get in their way.
- Louis Gray
Louis: there's another aspect to this too: every follow you make signals to the world what kind of person you are. Look at my following list. You'll see geeks, VCs, journalists, entrepreneurs. Who isn't there? Not many celebrities. Not many plumbers or quilters, if any at all. That signals to the world the kind of people I want to have in my life and the kinds of information I want to hear. If you are autofollowing that opportunity to signal to the world is totally lost.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: always. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Oh, Paul, point well taken, of course. I'm just pointing out that they've no doubt ruined it for a handful of smart and useful SEO folks. Arleen was actually one of the first folks to follow me back, and just watching her from a distance (I guess that makes me a voyeur? <grin>) helped give me a good feel for how someone at her level of #'s worked with the system. Very educational!
- Kathy Fitch
The "signal to the world" bit makes much more sense to me on the corporate accounts I'm working with. For the Catholic parish, for instance, who to follow gets really important. I can't afford to have anything with even a whiff of inappropriateness about it in the stream. That's going to be a very small list!
- Kathy Fitch
I just think the only way you can do this wrong is if you don't continually revise your thinking and your approach. Right on to all of you for exploring this topic.
- hollyrae
Leo, I can usually tell by the last 4 to 5 tweets whether I should follow back. But, everyone is annoying or boring sometimes (including myself) so I don't unfollow very often unless someone's stream becomes overly promotional or full of gimmicks.
- Rick Bucich
What's the benefit of following thousands of people? if you say its because you have to in order for them to DM you, how can you possibly respond to potentially thousands of DM's consistently? Once, I tried following everyone that followed me and it made my follower count jump quickly, but it made twitter less fun because I had random automated DM's from people I didn't know, and a useless stream of info from people I followed for no reason.
- Dusty Edenfield
Robert/Kathy: I think who I follow making a statement of who I am and what I'm about is less important to me since I am using it for a personal experience and my likes are wide and deep. If I was using my Twitter account as an outward facing presence for my business/organization, then it would matter much more to me... but I'm just having fun with it and like the idea of seeing lots of...
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- Timothy Federwitz
The DM thing. Sigh. Here on FF, it's totally useful. I've never had a single pointless DM. On Twitter, it's a thing to scan very occassionally, and ignore the rest of the time, seems like.
- Kathy Fitch
The thing that is being overlooked is this: The real issue is the auto-follow, NOT the total number of "following". It is what removes the vetting process. Once vetted, I'd say the more the merrier, b/c there is real value in your "with friends/following" stream, precisely b/c it is way different to search/filter it vs. regular Twitter Search. It is a huge omission/mistake that this is...
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- Alex Schleber
Since I mass unfollowed I've had SIGNIFICANTLY better interactions with the people I genuinely want to communicate with. A good % of the social media gurus who just follow in the hopes that you'll follow back unfollowed and it's seriously been like a weight lifted off my shoulders.
- Ryan Stephens
(cont'd) For this reason, I will openly admit to trying to get as many of my Twitter peeps registered into FriendFeed as possible, & I won't even care if they sub to me there or not (not required for conversation on FF anyway). It's to get them into the stream that I can then search over, and further add people into separate Friend Lists from there. Currently I'm at about 1k of 3k...
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- Alex Schleber
Also see "My comment on: 'Why You Should Start Over On Twitter With A BRAND NEW Account - Twitip' Hint: I disagree" http://post.ly/1owO This about sums it up: "..the solution to overwhelm by technology is better technology, not retrenchment..".
- Alex Schleber
Louis, I only read part of your post, but I agree as far as the types of people that are following others. Twitter has become a place more for business than meaningful conversations. Best thing to do is look at who is following you and purging those who just seem to market links to " Ways To Generate Massive Cash " through whatever they might be involved in hawking.
- Lew Newmark
@Lew funny you call this "business". I call it "racket"
- Jorge Escobar
Somewhat parenthetically, like the 19th century theoretical "corporate shield" that was supposed to shield individuals from liability, artificial demarcations between "my personal site" and "my business site" are increasingly obsolete. We are all complex, intertwined, interdependent, human-computer, systemic hybrid participants in an increasingly systematized hybrid world. The old silos...
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- michael silverton
@Louis - I think you are right. Doing something because it's a "trend" is dumb. Can you tell me what the metric is you use to measure when something breaks through to "trend" status? When "unfollow" hits Trending Topics, maybe? I didn't reboot my following list to join a trend. I did it because I really like following the people I follow...and they were getting drowned out by the people...
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- Rex Hammock
I'm going to mass unfollow everyone who ignores me :)
- JCunwired
Lets be honest, this unfollowing thing by "certain" people is nothing but a PR stunt
- Spencer
Spencer--well, of course this thing does have PR implications. After all, the big wigs are all talking about it non-stop, and then those on the next few tiers down from there are talking about the talking. Still, having PR implications and being a stunt aren't exactly the same thing. Many of these big name folks *are* established brands, which isn't something most of us can claim....
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- Kathy Fitch
@Spencer - I know my unfollowing thing was nothing but a PR stunt. As is my commenting here.
- Rex Hammock
agree. More than reasonable post, Luis..
- Marco Castellani
Everyone on Mashable/Twitter wants to tell me how lame I am and how I'm doing it wrong. Here's your chance to tell me I'm clueless:
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Lots of people are saying I was always doing Twitter's following wrong. It's funny how social media experts have it all figured out. So, here's your chance to tell me how screwed up I still am.
- Robert Scoble
you're clueless.. :P
- Rob Sellen :o)
I think you tried a noble approach. It just was ruined by spammys. You did what you had to do to fix the problem.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Tell me something I don't know. And tell me why. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Everyone thinks they're right in Social Media. I try to ignore them.
- Jesse Stay
were you? In hindsight? now you have done this big purge?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Drew: the real reason why I'm clueless is cause I am on FriendFeed, where I can put people into lists. Which, by the way, make AWESOME filters for searching.
- Robert Scoble
which list am I on?
- Alex Scrivener
Alex: pay me $20 and I'll tell you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Your clueless Robert. You have no clue how to do the whole social media thing. Please teach me your cluelessness Master. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Everyone needs to "reboot" their twitter strategy once in a while, there's no harm in it at all. It's just those out there who still think that thousands of followers is the only metric that everyone should go by to determine if you're using twitter successfully.
- Richard Arblaster
Richard: bing!
- Robert Scoble
What? That's ridiculous. You don't look anything like Alicia Silverstone.
- John Craft
There is no right or wrong way to use (except maybe spam). Who cares what other people think about your social media habits.
- Shawn Hickman
I covered the topic of mass unfollowing awhile back when @Loic and @AriHerzog unfollowed everyone. I think you might enjoy the comments in particular. http://blog.tweetworks.com/2009...
- Mike Langford
Scoble is clueless like Socrates was foolish.
- Pierce Presley
Rob: in hindsight, yes, I was clueless. I just didn't get quite how clueless I was, because on FriendFeed I could follow small groups, like everyone else.
- Robert Scoble
Loic is not around much anymore
- Mark
The reason you are clueless, is because we ALL are at the start.. how could you have known the "right" way at the start?? Couldn't.. so you NOW changed things... :o) Big difference now then?
- Rob Sellen :o)
the thing you HAVEN'T been clueless about is friendfeed... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
your clueless, just like the rest of us !! We are all trying to figure things out.. each have their own way of doing it. To each thier own posion !
- Peter Dawson
The only way to know if your Twitter/Social Media approach is working or not is by looking to see if it is accomplishing your goals. There is no "one-size-fits-all" approach in a dynamic growing space. This Right/Wrong game is tiring at best.
- Bill Sanders
I have learned that there is no one set way to do social media right or wrong. Is there an echo in here?
- Mike Lewis
For half a sec I thought it was a FAB publicity stunt! Seriously Robert I adore and respect you. There are 2 different views. Twitter is different things to different people. You and I can agree to disagree. But, won't you MISS the amazing view of your HOME stream???
- Arleen Boyd
Arleen: the thing is I was looking at that screen less and less. Now I look at it a lot. Well, except for today cause Twitter has been mostly down.
- Robert Scoble
I find that alot of people are a bit... selfish in social media. I follow people I find interesting. They don't need to follow me back. Maybe they don't think what I post is interesting even if I find theirs to be. We got to cut down on our ego tripping sometimes and let people enjoy the social tools, the way they enjoy em. I bet ya, there are not two people out there, that use all of this in exactly the same way, and that is great.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Steve: that's absolutely not true. Sit next to me sometime. I can follow many thousands of people.
- Robert Scoble
Your comments make the conclusion that everyone that disagrees with you is a social media expert, spammer, or non-techie. Are you sure you are not a politician in disguise? LOL Putting people in groups on Friendfeed did not require a massive un-following on twitter I know what you are doing. I like FreindFeed. I would not like twitter near as much if FriendFeed was not there. I am grateful for FriendFeed and it champion. Cheers for Robert
- RetiredTeacherD
Sorry Scobe, but you innovate, care deeply about all of this, and are fun to read. You don't even budge my Lame-O-Meter. (As for lame, well, AP is the King aren't they. And Reuters just told them to stop whining. Heh.)
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Seems funny to me that everybody is still talking about this issue. What's the difference between this and telling people what you're having for lunch? Twitter is chatter but from time to time, a clear interesting idea comes through and sparks a reaction. Reminds me of the thought process in my own brain... tons of ideas, lots of chatter and some gems. Meditation helps me quiet my mind... perhaps unfollowing does the same. In any case, less chatter is always better.
- Yanik Falardeau
RetiredTeacher: heheh. But, sorry, the main reason I did the unfollow isn't the home feed, but DM's. They just became more and more filled with spam and useless stuff. Getting my home feed back is like icing on a cake.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, There's no right or wrong answer to social media usage. Only you can decide your goals and if you're successful in achieving those goals, that's all there is to it. You're anything but clueless, not that you need me to tell you that :)
- MiaD
I was a big critic of your Swisher/Mossberg article as I think you are misguided about where in the social chain FF falls-- HOWEVER... although I had a FF account for awhile doesnt mean I 'tried' it. In light of the non conversational approach twitter is taking ( @replies) and the fact its getting spammy and many people are talking AT me not WITH me I concede. I don't agree with some of your tactics or selling points but I do agree FF IS ABSOLUTELY on to something in a big way.
- cheapsuits
Auto following everyone is not good idea...
- k00pa
ROFLCOPTER!
- k00pa
IMO. Your following deletion was good thing :)
- k00pa
I just use Twitter differently than most. Regardless whether I "follow" you or not, I still follow millions of people because I mostly use search for getting what I want.
- Jesse Stay
you did an experiment. you learned something. take the learning and move on. economic theorists are doing the same thing:-) maybe spammers were Twitter's Black Swan.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Let's assume for a moment that you are, indeed, clueless. Since you follow the same methodologies as most other "social media experts", then they, themselves, are clueless, as well. Since most "experts" (like yourself, Pirillo, and Conn) are generally smart people, then all clueless people are geniuses. Therefor, you are a genius and are, beyond a shadow of a doubt, not clueless.
- Thomas Ward
Thomas: I like your thinking! :-)
- Robert Scoble
So Ashton Kutcher can have 3+ Million followers and only follows a few, so why can't you filter the noise too? Double standard...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Robert: Glad you liked it. Hell, I'm glad you understood it! Even I began to believe I was only rambling!
- Thomas Ward
would you please change your green #Twavatar ? .. my baby cries .. Thx :)
- Marcel Bloingo
My favorite thing about you is that you do your own thing. Go with your gut.
- Ted Murphy
Marcel: that will also cost you $20. This is how I will monetize social media! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Ted: In this case his "own thing" is what many of us have been telling him he should be doing for months now ;-)
- Ken Sheppardson
OneGear: my heart was in the right place. I was doing that so everyone could DM me. Of course that let in spammers and other bad actors. So, turns out you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Chris: we're all doing it wrong. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I think you did it right: the conversation is going again and everyone is thinking about things. Job done.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Forget about them, Rob. Heck, I may even follow in your footsteps! Seems like all I'm getting anymore is links to products I don't want or sites I have no interest in visiting. Oh ... as far as the green avatar goes, you should have it say "Scoble Smash!" underneath you!
- Thomas Ward
I miss the Robert Scoble with long thoughtful blog posts and video interviews. I understand that it is not easy to find the balance between the conversations/interactions thingy and the content thingy.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Edwin: I've been posting a LOT of video. But, yeah, need to get back to doing long blogs.
- Robert Scoble
I'll give you that $20 for your lists! *giggle*
- Arleen Boyd
We should remember Twitter is Sociability.
- Felipe Aneudi Campana
from fftogo
Hmm. Do you post all your videos on your blog? different content on blog, building43, somewhere else? I liked the Office 10 videos.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
you were telling people that they didn't "get it" for doing exactly what you are doing now
- Eber Irigoyen
Edwin: I post them all here. Pro videos at http://www.building43.com Videos shot with my Canon 5D on http://scobleizer.blip.tv Finally, live videos at http://www.kyte.tv/scobleizer -- but they all are aggregated here.
- Robert Scoble
lame, wrong, and awesome. Keep it up!
- motownmutt
Eber: yes, I told Loic that. Again, my heart was in the right place. I wanted to get DM's from everyone who wanted to follow me. Turned out that was a bad strategy because of spammers. So I was wrong. I'm often wrong. Keep that in mind when I tell you off. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is the one doing it wrong. They should just read our minds and learn what information we need and publish it to our home page. No need to follow anyone in that case.
- Sumanth Kolar
dont worry Sumanth, google will take care of that ;)
- Kashif Khan
There could come a time when I reverse strategy, in six months, as you did, and you can mock me then. But right now, I am keeping the door open to new contacts and not wiping them away. FriendFeed is my high quality network.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Robert! It just occurred to me one alternative to domain squatting is embarrassing Avatar adoption. Your $20-at-a-time strategy is more credible than most monetization schemes (scams?)
- Richard Walker
It would seem to me you did it "right" as it brought a strategic challenge to light. It's been the source of some great posts and conversation. It's not as though things are unsalvagable even if you made a miscalculation. As a strategist I don't think there is a generic right or wrong way. You have to align your social media activity to meet your goals. If your approach on Twitter wasn't working to meet your goals then you did the right thing.
- Jim Goldstein
There is no wrong way to use a resource that is infinitely customizable. Well, perhaps there are illegal or immoral ways, and thus "wrong." But not the case here.
- Justin Long
I've seen everywhere (it seems) that social media is all about the user's experience, that they should determine what's best for themselves. Yet, I constantly see posts and threads about how to do it right. I don't care what Robert is doing, because he has other reasons for using it than I do, and on down the line. Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media.
- Steve Lowe
One question, Robert: What would you guess is your reach in terms of unique users? (if you combine all the channels you are on?)
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Do your thing man. You know leaders are always jeered before they are applauded -- don't wait for the applause <grin>
- Pam Baker
Very much in agreement with what Steve Lowe just argued.
- Marcos
" Too much of social media "time" is spent discussing social media. - Steve Lowe " SOOO TRUE!!!
- cheapsuits
Robert I agree. The lists feature is one of the most valued.
- Drew Lucas
from iPhone
Robert, "right" or "wrong" is immaterial here. Each user gets something different out of their use of social media. So each user constantly adjusts their social media experience to fit what they want to receive. Your mass unfollowing is not wrong. Your user paradigm changed.
- Jack Wilson, K4SAC
Robert: can you write a blog post about how you setup your groups in friendfeed? I this it would make for an interesting read.
- BRҰANSAҰS
When you were using auto-follow, it made the most sense to do so. Twitter changed, you examined what was working and what wasn't working, and made some adjustments. You are still doing it right. You also invested your time in FriendFeed pretty early on. That was also a good decision. (That will be $25, thank you.)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'm not of that mindset, if all adopted that mindset and only followed very close knowns what would you have? A phone call
- JuneM
Tinym: He used one of the premium services on SocialToo.com You have the ability to either Unfollow everyone that isn't following you back or you can unfollow everyone.
- BRҰANSAҰS
i dont really understand their argument...i had to mass unfollow some people as well, as I was getting spam and it was clogging up the stream.
- Crackle
I just joined FF today due to a few factors: 1) Twitter went down and a light bulb went off 2) I've been following you for quite awhile and you're not lame nor do I think you're doing it wrong and 3) I finally acted upon all the advice you've shared about FF. If you follow me back, fine. At any rate, I'm following you here. I do like the threaded message form, which trumps any Twitter app. I'm also looking for value, not noise.
- MR
It just signified your preference to communicate with high numbers on FriendFeed where everyone can be organized, searched and found- it is thus more meaningful. On Twitter it was chaos for you that way and everyone lost. Why lie?
- E-Advocate Network
MR:Welcome to FriendFeed.
- BRҰANSAҰS
I thought you should've done it sooner.
- Ben Parr
agree w/ Ben
- michael sean wright
LOL. Just a theological point: God's following everyone (or not) is not a theological explanation for why bad things happen to good people. But I'm guessing you're speaking tongue-in-cheek?
- Justin Long
Change is natural. It's part of innovation. We adjust to new tools and technologies as they evolve, and because our methods of using them change, the tools evolve. Sometimes they (or us) take even a bigger leap and revolutionize. Then we get the next big thing, or take the next significant step in history. It's far better that you adapted, Robert, based on your findings, needs and experiences, than continued on with previous use patterns.
- Cathryn Hrudicka
People are haters. Ignore the idiots.
- Nile Flores
I second Nile even when I disagree with you Robert! (((pu liki))) spreading Aloha!
- Arleen Boyd
Having a little fun with Photoshop: "Billy Scoble here to tell you about Friendfeed!"
Jemm, Paul Buchheit, Tanath and 18 other people liked this
Funny!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
haha
- Özgür D. Cyric
Okay, that's good.
- Akiva
hehe thanks.
- BRҰANSAҰS
Now someone needs to do one for Louis Gray. :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
I guess Louis Gray can be Anthony Sullivan
- BRҰANSAҰS
A for humor... D- for photoshop skills :P
- Joel Lovato
Actually don't have photoshop was using paint .net but ya it looks bad. :)
- BRҰANSAҰS
In that case, A for humor... C+ for Paint skills. :D
- Joel Lovato
Anyone have any guesses on how much revenue advertising CPM based on blogs could earn? What's some going rates? How does one estimate?
Michael R. Bernstein, Melanie Reed and Sean Scott liked this
depends on so many factors - first one is category of said blog
- Allen Stern
What is the est readership?
- Melanie Reed
120k unique a month visitors plus a few thousand subscribed (I'm talking about my blog) just for estimates. No plans on doing this, as I was talking to a friend about this today.
- Jeremiah Owyang
Interesting points made: http://www.allbusiness.com/marketi... Their suggestion is to track several methods.
- Melanie Reed
Are his figures accurate about TechCrunch through 2008? Anyone know? http://www.shoemoney.com/2008...
- Melanie Reed
See this one from John Chow http://www.johnchow.com/how-i-m...
- Jeremiah Owyang
Shhh, don't tell the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts, but I will follow anyone who comments here (on FF):
Antal de Waij, Charles Lau, Durukan Duru and 133 other people liked this
No comment. (disabling comments on this thread - that would be funny :D)
- Micah
Micah: I'm already following you! :-)
- Robert Scoble
is a like the equivalent of a comment? And by follow you mean on FF or on Twitter or on both?
- Sean Scott
Sean: not really because if you comment I can see if I'm already following you. And, yes, I mean on FF.
- Robert Scoble
Hello :)
- Brandon Roeder
That's really awesome of you, Robert!
- Harald Nesland
Beau: I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Awesome. Hi Robert :)
- Andy Parkinson
It's an ugly world when Scoble stops autofollowing.
- Michelle MacPhearson
Did FriendFeed make you say this?
- Social Nerdia
No love for SEO experts? AWESOME.
- Than R
@robert i think we're already following each other on FF. :P
- Sean Scott
Didn't send that one from Twitter. ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
Are you openly admitting to being easy?
- Lydia Sugarman
I am not a bot, I am a human being!!!
- Daniel Buckley
@stevenmhall likes this -- thanks for your work. and the great green picture
- steven
Nothing more to say
- Mel Buckpitt
I already follow you, but interesting experiment
- Cam
I just gave you "High Five"! Check it out: http://bit.ly/5sHMZ You should send me a gift back ;)
- Louis Gray
✔ Thx for ☛ Follow :-) Good idea. I do not speak to those things anyway
- RetiredTeacherD
SocialNerdia: no.
- Robert Scoble
really? neat...
- Jorge Chapa
Follow Sunday? ;)
- Ideas At Random
LOL ... this is fun.
- Richard Laksana
At least I'm not the only one who thinks SEO isn't everything.
- Leon Bacud
Hmm… I may just be more active in FriendFeed.
- Evan Hindra
The above is an actual DM spam I got today. :)
- Louis Gray
Leon: if you abuse SEO types they send Google Hate your way, which, by the way, is the same thing as Google Juice.
- Robert Scoble
neat idea!
- Aloke Fernandes
So we get to be in the cool club? Yay! ;)
- Vicky Teinaki
watching this list expand is more fun than anything on TV right now.
- steven
But Robert what will all the Bots do without your input.
- Pentaxfan
This is fun! lol. Follow me! @thehenry
- TheHenry
Is Google juice akin to Google Kool-Aid?
- Stefan Holmes
evangelizing aint ya
- Luka
I think Robots get a bad rap ;)
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
What's this FriendFeed thing? Back to my safe, comfy home on Twitter.
- Dan Grossman
I expected more comments, oh thats the idea :-) shhh everyone
- Andrew Nimick
Is there something to be gained by following someone on both FF & Twitter?
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
WT?? @pogmohoin needs to be loved again.. now how did you do this cleanout again?? Australia Out..
- Pogmohoin
I'm already in but i wanted to get in the fun!
- Fee501st
I just noticed that Scobleizer unfollowed but am glad it was for the above reason and he unfollowed a lot
- Allen MacCannell
I am all flesh and bones Robert :D
- Antonio Montero
Rob: FriendFeed is better.
- Robert Scoble
Louis, NOW I know where all those are coming from. Time to blacklist you ;-)
- Jesse Stay
Friendfeed FTW!
- TheHenry
Not a bad filter at all.
- Robert Anderson
Why would you want to follow me,i have nothing to offer but my ears to learn.
- Paul Downing
Hi Robert, I'm a real person and would love to be followed.
- Steve de Mena
What if the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts all comment here?
- Andrew Trinh
Word up
- Charlie Haims
Scoble smash Twitter spammer like Hulk!
- Peter Hodges
from iPhone
Dare I?
- Spidra Webster
and then I will comment on whoever follows me here...
- Alpay Erturkmen
Louis, I recently got the "high five" DM spam, too. So off-putting!
- Robert J Taylor
from iPhone
I just need to spend more time setting up FF so it is my friend that intercepts all my social media content but only from who I want to read!
- Pentaxfan
Friend feed seems like mainstream to most serious ones?
- jibzy
Friendfeed has it's strengths once you get it setup
- Chris
@robert whether or not FF is technically better than <insertsocialnetwork> its really a question of said network reach
- Sean Scott
Once a week I go through my followers and delete most/all of the spammers, but I only have like 50-60 so it's not hard to do.
- Allison Warnock
Let's hope the spammers and bots and etc don't attack us here on FriendFeed next. I won't tell them if you don't.
- Louis Trapani
from iPhone
Sean: well, FF has better search, grouping, real time, a better community, and more.
- Robert Scoble
Sean, you have to start somewhere!
- Pentaxfan
Really Robert? Will you follow me here or Twitter
- Kevin Krewell
Last time I checked I was human.
- Luke™
What, even if I've got these hot videos where I ... Haha, not really ;-)
- littlegingerkid
from iPod
Kevin: here.
- Robert Scoble
In two years on Twitter I have never used any bots nor even tried to sell anything. I always look at profiles personally before following anyone and have never been concerned with how many are following me.
- Gord Young
That's nice of you.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Why?
- Stefano Maggi
from iPhone
Yea, i dont want FF to get has "known" has twitter, I'm selfish
- Fee501st
Mainly on Twitter myself, but everything updates to here + I tie in a couple things through here to Twitter.
- Chris
Will you actually read my posts?
- Kimber Scott
oh really :D
- Sinem Co
See, cross posting that offer to Twitter is misleading
- Kevin Krewell
It is fun to watch my follower ## on Twitter go between 200 and 230 it is a constant battle to see what I post. Just not that interesting at times!
- Pentaxfan
Interesting project! Please follow us @streamfile :)
- Kimmo Gläborg
Checking in here...hope we continue to follow each other, Robert!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Even if we write in Turkish?
- Emre Güneş
@robert again not arguing with you. I think better community in your POV but from marketing / UX pov not yet.
- Sean Scott
thank you -
- pat o'bryan
I'm pretty sure I've commented here before Robert, but you don't follow me here or on Twitter. Not that I want you to under just for the sake of it...
- Gurpreet
Today's secret password is "cheese".
- Andrew Smith
...only if you actually find my tweets interesting enough.
- Gurpreet
It's Unfollow Sunday. Just purged all the bots, spammers, SEO/social media types from my own Twitter account. I never autofollow. Still got the "high five" DM spam, though...
- Dennis Jernberg
Nice when you integrate Facebook and twitter and multiple accounts so you can read all at one place. I have to say I use Seesmic to read posts more than FF.
- Pentaxfan
bit bucket... here i come :) ps: scoble, what if we just "like" your post ;)
- simran
@pentaxfan of course. not wanting to start a FF vs Twitter debate. just saying the glasses through which we judge better or superior are diff based on our interests. Plus in the end FB will take it all :P
- Sean Scott
This is a sly way to get us to sign up for FF :)
- valb00
@valb00 said it!
- Dennis Jernberg
According to my following list, Scoble was the second person I followed after joining Twitter. A long time ago that was.
- Stephen Sclafani
UX tip for FF. Be nice to be able to click on the comment link at the end of a comment stream. Having to scroll back up on these long threads breaks flow.
- Sean Scott
Kimber: wait and watch http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see if I like any of your posts. I read a LOT and if you are posting interesting stuff I'll probably like it.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: click twice on the time stamp and you'll get a window of just this chat and you'll see a comment entry area at the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Kurt: maybe!
- Robert Scoble
You will end up following me anyway. They all will. :)
- Matt G
But you're already following me here on Friendfeed, Robert. How is Twitter going to be different?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
FriendFeed is better, deeper, yet Twitter works better on the go
- Majento
There's a lot to like about FF, except it needs a bigger community. Twitter is like the iPhone - for iPhone it's all the applications, with Twitter (and Facebook) it's all about the number of poeple.
- Kevin Krewell
following me is good stuff :-)
- N.G. Gordon - RadarSync
@Sean, that is why we are always looking for new and improved apps to operate at a better level with more consistency. Take it easy! I'm off to bed for my 5 hours of mediocre horizontal time out.
- Pentaxfan
Hi Robert, you are obviously going to be following a lot more people. Thanks.
- Rob Zachritz
And I return. (Just cleared my account so I can start afresh with friend lists) :)
- BeauGiles
Is this an experiment?
- Theresa Shin
so will you follow me too
- aybars badur
Theresa: no, I do this from time to time and always find interesting people to follow.
- Robert Scoble
FF hmmm about that...
- Philip Small
Robert, you have lost a lot of followers. I have been watching all night.
- TheHenry
I don't get the appeal of auto-following. I for one would not want thousands of updates showing up in my timeline.
- Alex Knight
Twitter -ly ♪ and FriendFeed -ly ♪ livin' in perfect har-mony ♪♪♪ LOL Why can't we be friends ♪♪♪
- RetiredTeacherD
Just created a corporate FF account so you can follow our corporate Twitter at http:/www.twitter.com/senderok - Plug-in with anti-phishing icons for the inbox and photo business cards in the header pane
- SenderOK
I'm here I'm here! :D just curious, what do you have against SEO and Social Media experts?
- Celia
Really? BTW I'm just a regular geeky gal.
- Teresa O
TheHenry: and I will lose even more this week. No biggie. I don't define myself by who follows me, especially if they are there just to get a follow back.
- Robert Scoble
@Scobleizer is a man of his word
- Charlie Haims
Okay Scoble I'll bite...
- SalvadorM
Joining the experiment
- Jan Schultink
robert, you are a "pearl" under all the blogger,.........and i'm sure, you know that!!! sunshine and light to you from france, martin
- martin
I'm awake and listening!
- Graham Lawrence
To all those new to FriendFeed, remember to add your Twitter, blog, Flickr, YouTube, and other accounts so we can see all your stuff!
- Robert Scoble
...and I was wondering where is my one-lost-follower...here on FF.
- Danica Radovanovic
I have nothing to say
- Paul Denlinger
@Paul, I was going to say that.
- Justin Yost
You should follow a game designer, Robert :)
- Federico [Kurai]
Federico: I'm already following you. Roldano: I'm already following you too, but don't let it get out.
- Robert Scoble
Shea: yes. This is where I spend most of my time!
- Robert Scoble
That's encouraging
- Keith - @tsudo
I cannot recommend following me, I rarely have anything interesting to say.
- Shaun William
What's the catch?
- Rory Conway
We're already facebook friends. And I think friendfeed friends too. But FF just hasn't hit critical mass yet. It'll be cool when it does. Nice job throwing another rock at the hornet's nest! :-)
- Dan Becker
Rory: the catch is I might like one of your posts and then you'll have to deal with my other friends. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm glad to know that you are still interested in hearing from us :), I'm @tsudo
- Keith - @tsudo
scoble i like you man, but you're crazy
- patrick
I applaud your mass unfollowing, but following back via FriendFeed comments seems inefficient (says me, the efficiency consultant).
- Marina Martin
Dan: well, that's what Twitter gets for treating me like a lame early adopter that isn't needed anymore.
- Robert Scoble
Cool - I'm in. Thanks Robert - from the land down under.
- Monte Huebsch
Marina: you haven't discovered that FriendFeed has groups yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
patrick: crazy like a bat!
- Robert Scoble
I need to better utilize FF groups.
- Justin Yost
Ouch Robert! Telling it like it is to Twitter
- Keith - @tsudo
Do you never get SPAM in FF?
- RobinDotNet
You might regret that :-) But thank you
- Stephen Baugh
Hi, i had created a new website name http://bit.ly/Od5Xx now please guide me in increasing traffic
- mohammadhassam
Robin: I have only seen a handful of spams here. They are easily blocked and there are other defenses against them that I won't talk about here.
- Robert Scoble
Are we not allowed to comment if you are already following us?
- RobinDotNet
Are all those SEO types you're unfollowing now following me?!
- Dennis Jernberg
@Justin, try this for a starting point for using groups http://www.knowthenetwork.com/blog...
- Keith - @tsudo
Okay ))
- Лёша
Yet another comment, from an ordinary twitterer not a spambot. :-)
- Joshua Lee
is this a bait to get more people to use friendfeed? ;-)
- Ritu
Robin: I like all comments. I can see who isn't following me because their icons are white. Yours is blue.
- Robert Scoble
speaking of spam, twitter seems like it's about 90% spam lately
- Derek Chilcoat
Robert -- that's good to know. Those people are insidious. Will you ever tell us how to block them?
- RobinDotNet
It'll be interesting to see who follows the leader to @schoolpr.
- SchoolPR
The SEO experts, bots and social media experts don't have good content, and FF makes their crappy content easy to hide, and ignore, too.
- Andy Bakun
Thanks @Keith
- Justin Yost
Andy: bing!
- Robert Scoble
Robert, was that an endorsement of bing? ;-)
- RobinDotNet
SEO experts endorse bing. ;-)
- Joshua Lee
@Justin (1 more) my friend Ken did a great post on groups as well http://www.changeforge.com/2008...
- Keith - @tsudo
Why, oh why is my first thought to respond with "FIRST?"
- Jonathan Hardesty
I'm not a bot :-)
- Nir Ben Yona
Jon: I want to respond with "penultimate." :-)
- Robert Scoble
Even me???
- Kevin Arth
Can't imagine this won't end in a big mess...
- Justin Howard
Nir: I know you aren't a bot. That's why I follow you.
- Robert Scoble
wwooww :)
- Emre BAHADIR
So far not a spammer has shown up.
- Robert Scoble
commented!
- Jeremy Lane
I think scoble is on Twitter just to get people to read friendfeed. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Joshua: no. I'm here to talk about the 2010 web. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This is some elaborate mind game, I'm sure:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Can we put some restriction on bots . means use some software who block them
- mohammadhassam
Joshua, i liked your Bing comment :-)
- Majento
and the 2010 web is.... friendfeed!
- Joshua Lee
Thank you, Sir. I'm impressed. :)
- Kevin Arth
Joshua: the real time web is only one part of the 2010 web.
- Robert Scoble
Ah, I think you may already be following me, but just in case...
- Ranger Craig
Nice
- Fred Morales
Thing I don't like is that FF doesn't have a very good topic when the primary line is directed at twitter. There may or may not be a link to something after FF part. Which means FF becomes a bit of a treasure hunt. I like FF for commentary but I hate the initial post.
- Justin Howard
SPAM. :)
- Jason
Mona :-)
- Majento
Mmmmm. Bacon.
- RobinDotNet
Erik: I would even follow Mike Arrington, yes. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer?
- RobinDotNet
what are some other examples of 2010 web, Robert Scoble?
- Joshua Lee
Count me in :) http://www.twitter.com/stanley...
- Stanley Tang
Robert: Thanks mate, interesting and probably efficient idea. I'll do the same for quality content, tired of those "I just used whateveryoucallit.com to gain 300 new followers right now!".
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Robert, I had to do the exact same thing to nail all the twit spam I was getting. Hope you get it all sorted!
- James Brown
Even as we sit here, my iPhone dings with new follow e-mails from spam/marketing people. Sigh.
- RobinDotNet
Stephane: LOL, probably. I took this line from Chris Brogan's "Twitter Etiquette Guide".
- Nir Ben Yona
Robin: on Twitter, though, right?
- Robert Scoble
wow been fascinating watching this exercise :-)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
So this is like a captcha?
- Dylan Verheul
also on twitter?
- Sinem Co
The joys of not being internet famous means I can check out followers personally, block where required and I've only ever got about 2 DM spam. But with the volumes that Robert gets, it's obviously not possible.
- Rachel Clarke
I think Twitter needs something like captcha to keep the bots to a minimum, IMHO.
- Dennis Jernberg
Nope, I'm just following here.
- Robert Scoble
But feed your Tweets in here and what's the difference?
- Robert Scoble
OK, thanks :)
- Sinem Co
Hi Robert, I've been following you quite some time, and what you do here is very open and brave too, congrats!
- Kaan Bingol
This must be a plot to move everyone to FriendFeed ;-)
- Masatake E. Hori
Masatake: plot #458.
- Robert Scoble
Great thanks for the offer and follow
- Stephen Brown
Masatake: I think you're right. :-)
- Joshua Lee
Robert -- yes, on twitter. It seems the more you tweet, and the more people you communicate with, the more spammers follow you. Hoping for auto-follows I guess (I disappoint them in that regard.)
- RobinDotNet
Good way to filter, you know the spammers don't actually read anything or participate
- Justin Luey
Derek: why don't you see http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... and see just how many people I touch.
- Robert Scoble
What is the utility of being "followed" by someone who doesn't tweet and who follows thousands? What do they do, sit at their terminal and watch the tweets go by all day long?
- RobinDotNet
hi Robert u r already following me how r u?
- Ali
I dont get it.
- Andru Edwards
yeah? I think most spam bots have the AI to search for such threads!
- Rohit
Derek: or how many people I interact with. Check here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... 28,000+ comments.
- Robert Scoble
oh, hi there!
- Jeremy
Gaith: doing fine, gotta work on my videos, but thought I'd do this instead.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: I'm guessing the mass followers rarely take a look at the flow - it's about being able to talk about the numbers
- Rachel Clarke
No
- Michael Fidler
Yes
- Michael Fidler
follow me on twitter please...
- Özgür D. Cyric
First day on Friend Feed and Robert Scoble is available. What a welcome.... Carey@holisticdds
- Carey O'Rielly
What will you do when the spammers/SEOs infest Friendfeed, as they will, or do you believe this is better crowdsourced and will be able to hold against the hordes?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Rachel -- But numbers alone don't mean anything. Are they that shallow? That must be a stupid question.
- RobinDotNet
Is this going to be the 'most-commented-ever' post on Friendfeed? 240+ already!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Aaman: FriendFeed is FAR more defendable against spam than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
and how would this benefit people who follow Robert Scoble?
- Seyfi Erol
Mahendra: probably not.
- Robert Scoble
That seems like a good idea, but I think you're already following a lot of these people
- Carlton Prest
Seyfi: why don't you follow me and see how it goes?
- Robert Scoble
I've gotten 4 follow e-mails since my first post here from people I don't want to follow. Do the bots start running right around midnight?
- RobinDotNet
Mahendra, you're not following the threads in Russian (that's my only hint) :D
- Micah
Robin: oh yes. But I'm never sure what's worse. the people who just want to talk about the numbers or the people they may be able to impress.
- Rachel Clarke
Aaman - Friendfeed doesn't make link-tracking easy, so it's less interesting for spammers to infest.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Is this a test of interaction or more likely a sort of audience verification?
- Gilgamesh
Gilgamesh: it is what you want it to be. For me I followed you.
- Robert Scoble
If twitter is noise, and FriendFeed is conversation, Robert Scoble followers are their own discussion. It's like using an entirely different website.
- Carlton Prest
Rachel, that's a good point. Is Facebook the same way? I joined that and suddenly got all these people I've nothing in common with who want to be my friend. Creepy.
- RobinDotNet
@Micah: Oh, good I don't read Russian! :)
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Derek: heh, yeah, I am watching this, among other things running across my screen.
- Robert Scoble
Robin: Facebook is the same but I think to a lesser extent - it's harder to find people I think. But still got a load of friend requests that I ignore as I don't know them
- Rachel Clarke
I already do. what i mean is if we don't keep FF, Twitter limited to our interests, wouldn't it be garbage we already try hard to get rid of. Or how far can we extend our interests in life or amount of information we consume?
- Seyfi Erol
Derek -- I mean people I really have NO connection with at all. I've only friended a couple of people I work with, and 2 other real friends. I'm getting friend requests from people I don't know at all.
- RobinDotNet
Seyfi: you haven't discovered FriendFeed's groups and lists yet, have you?
- Robert Scoble
I got a Russian-speaking follower on Twitter. I didn't follow him because I don't understand a word he tweets.
- Dennis Jernberg
Mahendra, And I've been told http://translatorize.com has successfully translated all 6000+ (oops - update: 7000+) comments http://friendfeed.com/ideali... from Russian to English :)
- Micah
Thanks Robert!
- Jan Ignatius
from iPhone
Seyfi: you can separate your friends into lists. That way you can keep your quilting buddies separate from your football ones etc.
- Robert Scoble
I'm the spammer u follow alrdy HA!
- Rich Weaver
Did you know that Facebook has started selling parts of itself to the Russians? At end of May, they sold 1.96% stake of Facebook to Russia's Digital Sky Technologies for $200M.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I shouldn't have underestimated you. You probably have started much longer comment threads on Friendfeed before.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, Robert, I agree, FF has been very good at keeping out junk
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
Micah: Uh, wow!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra: I have. I gave away $5,000 once and got more than 1,000 comments on that. But that cost me a lot of cash. Can't afford to do that again.
- Robert Scoble
DST is run by Alisher Usmanov who is closely tied with Putin. You feel ok to that, but re-read the company's user agreement where it says it can share all of your info with third parties. Of course, it's irrelevant to this thread, but I thought it was interesting.
- RobinDotNet
Robert: I think your Twitter follow is worth more than that?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Even if it's a lame comment and I don't actually say anything? Woohoo! FF looks interesting anyway,,,
- Matt Harward
Yes, Matt! :-)
- Robert Scoble
FF is interesting assuming the topic is FF... and/or Scoble's next devilishly clever stunt to generate FF comments
- John Hardy
John: there are lots of interesting topics here on FriendFeed. Did you know you could search by them based on number of likes? Click "Advanced Search" and try.
- Robert Scoble
John: Nope. Twitter's 'bout Trends, FF's 'bout Friends.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Very bold, I like it, are you going to keep the people you follow under 2000?
- Joe Dawson
from iPhone
Tell me the newest best way to use FriendFeed!
- Shoichi
I'll not tell anyone ;)
- PaperDoll
I hope I am interesting enough to be followed! lol
- Carlton Hackett
Some of the reactions to what you're doing are pretty interesting, Robert.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
Social media experts? What are those?
- Alasdair Munn
But what if someone doesn't want you to follow them :) ... It's not me....
- Amit Nangare
lmao
- Andy Ghozali
woww! that is a lot of comments.
- Sumanth Kolar
Joining bandwagon.
- mwydro
Yo Robert: a man has to do what a man has to do, so one surfer to another: go for it!
- Geer
Here here! A good cleansing is good, now and then... Starting fresh is the way to go, get all of that nonsense out and maintain a core group of people for solid conversation!
- Brian Partridge
Great taking the tour w/ you, Levar Burton & @VegasBill during CES 09 at the Atomic Testing Museum. I would appreciate the follow back. Thanks Robert!
- Chris R
There is change in the air...
- Zack Brandit
Chris: I'm already following you, no need to beg! :-) That was fun times, wasn't it?
- Robert Scoble
You've got to admit anyone who's on friendfeed instantly gets more exposure since it nicely imports people's public @ reply's anyway?
- Matt Randles
Thanks for following back on Twitter Robert. Cheers from Las Vegas!
- Vegas Bill
I'm pretty sure we're friends here, only just wish there was a easy way to check... and if there is, that some one will let me know....
- Grant Bierman
this is such a classic move! well played.
- laura
So why can't SEO people be tech as well? Actually requires a good tech aptitude.
- Paul M Evans
from iPhone
Make sense, Scoble :)
- Grant Laird Jr
Just out of curiousity, why are there fewer spammers and bots on FF compared with Twiitter? Is it because they haven't discovered FF yet?
- Sally Church
from iPhone
there are occasionally spammers on FF but I think they mostly get handled quickly vs Twitter where more than occasionally clusters of spammers just follow each other...
- Shannon Clark
Choose wisely :)
- Özkan Altuner
Go FF its the Best
- Robert Wheeler
followww meee
- Thomas Christory
Scoble-plicity .-)
- Del_
I use TweetLater to vet new followers. Helps get rid of spammers fast.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Wow! I've never seen so many people comment on Friendfeed as much as this!
- Armand
Yo! peteryared on twiter :)
- Peter Yared
Your biggest fan and follower in Cambridge, UK. Thanks for the DuoFertility video. Great as ever.
- Philip Baddeley
Fantastic, I want to be followed :-)
- Antonio Correnti
Sally: I don't explain spam defenses in public. I don't want spammers to figure them out. But there are quite a few defenses against spam here.
- Robert Scoble
Refollow me on Twitter! @carloscomputers
- carloscomputers
nice one
- Ken Post Jr
I was surprised about the spammer comments, until I started getting female nude model followers and I'm a women. Maybe a nude male model but not Sparkle or Hootie McBoob
- Corrine Pearce
Corrine: hope you don't see that here on FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Why are you doing this? You have one of the best listening audiences on twitter! Is there a point to prove that we will post here or go to wefollow?
- David Cole
Now those not on FF will miss this one;)
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
David: actually that's not true. Most of the Twitter audience I had has moved over here.
- Robert Scoble
I'm intrigued and will watch with interest -- and hey, you're always interesting. Well worth the follow!
- Don Tamihere
real-time on FF is awesome
- nchenga
David: and I can prove that. Twitter's audience has become less and less engaged lately.
- Robert Scoble
Wow, powerful shift by Robert Scoble, I'm really interested in seeing how this works for you Scoble. I slept through all the big news here tonight.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
Always up for your social explorations Robert.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
And you're not even halfway through the unfollowing process. :)
- Ken Brady
wao, let's good.
- naokits
Interesting experiment. This is probably one the most commented feedfriend threads in history!
- Menno te Koppele
Plus, David, if you all are listening, you are listening because of my ability to find cool stuff. Mostly that's been because of FriendFeed over the past 18 months. Now I've seen how ascerbic Twitter's spammers have gotten on my accounts.
- Robert Scoble
agree, it's an interesting experiment.
- nchenga
Menno: actually it's not. There are many 1,000+ comment threads here.
- Robert Scoble
Here's a search with all 1,000 comment threads displayed: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Interesting. This is going to boost 1000 egos for sure :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
So will it be a matter of just trying to say ahead of the spammers by jumping from one early adopted social network to another?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
JP: no. I am not leaving Twitter. I AM, however, deleting all their accounts so I will no longer be passing them juice.
- Robert Scoble
I wonder how will your FF homepage look like after this.
- ahmet bulent
Does this make you anti-social media?
- Cory Brown
To follow commenters from here on Twitter will be a lot of work for you Robert. Or do you have some magic tool that helps?
- Tibor Holoda
Robert, how many of the 100k do you think you'll still be following when you are done?
- RobinDotNet
~~~> Robert!! Follow me back again. [a] I'm a real fan of the @Scobleizer... and [b] I'm much nicer than some of these sassy bloofers. ;)
- Kim Sherrell
1,100
- Robert Scoble
That's good to know.
- George Hall (Australia)
So what if you have all 58k + comment on here? And you have to keep everyone! And your plan is foiled, sir. Okay give or take 10k for the neglected abandoned twitters and the spammers. Btw, you're already following me on both twitter and here. But come on, you're not really. : /
- Lise
That's cool. I am finding the spammers too much to manage these days myself.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I promise I want tell them
- Noel Kelly
Because I can't keep myself from doing math, that's 1.1%.
- RobinDotNet
Lise: I see you a few times a day, but you're right. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
Are you trying to make a point about FF v Twitter? I have spammy things to say about my amateur photography, potential homelessness, and run-ins with public-run health system in the US. Isn't all Twitter spam--just spam you want? :)
- Dean Hall
the auto-refresh on this thread is mind-blowing, fun to watch
- nchenga
Do you ever worry about SM burnout Robert? How do you pace your self?
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Interesting to note many of most commented threads are in languages other than English. Can we suggest FF has a better international appeal than Twitter?
- Kaan Bingol
Good idea, as you say, stop juicing up the spammers - it'll be interesting to see the stats once you've finished.
- Andrew Piggott
Dean: your Tweets aren't spam. I might keep you. Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
I only followed people who were interesting to me, otherwise it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack of brain dumps.
- Daniel Durrans
Exactly. So I expect to be cut. And considering I'm in a crowd of close to 60k, it'll be the same thing.
- Lise
There should be a counter in front of the comments...
- Willem Karssenberg
okay seriously ?
- Asankhaya Sharma
What sort of comments do you want Robert?
- travispuk
Lise: actually no. On FriendFeed I can absorb quite a few more people than on Twitter thanks to Groups.
- Robert Scoble
a good cleansing is wise once in a while :) Power to the (real) people.
- Benjamin
Travis: I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Lise: and because FriendFeed's search engine is better here too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, yeah I know. Thought you might have meant for your secretscoble twitter account ;)
- travispuk
It's kind of like a giant SM break up Robert. *Oh the hearts you are breaking...*
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
I'm fairly selective about who I follow and I follow so maybe you will follow me back!
- Richard Cunningham
from iPod
Robert, care to explain how you use groups in this kind of context? Because I don't get the point of following people who are then placed into a "I don't read this much" kind of group. How do you use groups so that you're (1) not overwhealmed, and (2) actually read what people are saying?
- Ian Betteridge
How many people do you expect to end up with, Robert? What is a reasonable number?
- Lise
(Not that I'll probably see your response, btw - something at the bottom of 350+ responses is effectively buried until FF has better threading tools. Which I'm sure it will, some day.)
- Ian Betteridge
@Ian I believe that it may come in Google Wave.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
@Daniel - ditto, and for me it is generally development related also. Robert - I know you have to try and keep up with everything going on in the social media space, but I'm always surprised when people follow so many others as it must be extremely difficult to find the wheat in amongst all the chaff.
- Donald Matheson
Robert: I did not know about that search trick. Thanks!
- Menno te Koppele
Why?
- Scott Hanselman
looks like a lot of comments
- Rory Partalis
Ian: a "I don't read this much" kind of group is awesome for serrendipity. Also, anyone who I find there who is high value gets quickly moved to a smaller group.
- Robert Scoble
What? Are you saying you're not following me already...? ;-)
- Jarno Peschier
Lise: on Twitter? Less than 2,000. I can't follow more.
- Robert Scoble
Done. :)
- Smeerch
Jamo: I am already following you. Scott: why not? I am already following you too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, it might be a problem for me re-gaining your following as my tweets are not 100% English only (whether that means trying to speak English or no English at all ;). How do you deal with occasional non-English tweeters? As that's clearly a noise for you.
- Tibor Holoda
if only twitter were as engaging as FriendFeed has become, and as instantaneous as things like this comment thread, then maybe I would use it more. Hence why I'm all for unfollowing who you conceive as uninteresting; and if that includes me, then so be it!
- Nick Soden
Tibor: I just skip over most of them. Sometimes I translate them to see if I was right.
- Robert Scoble
It is my hope that I provide you with something as interesting as what you provide me with. Either way, I will continue to peruse your posts with interest.
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
hmmm
- imran
Hi, I'm still newish to this social media thang - but good on you for taking a stand.
- Jus
Do you prefer night owls? Because what about all the poor people in SV who went to bed at a decent hour and missed your post? Bummer for them, huh?
- RobinDotNet
I'm back from picking my wife up at the airport and ran across this on my way back to sleep.
- nuBound CEO - Mark
shhhhh
- Luigi Filograna
Robin: heh, all the real geeks in SV are still up.
- Robert Scoble
Interesting idea. I firmly believe SEOs are working day and night to figure out FF.
- Ian Ceicys
Ian: I bet they are too since FF is starting to pull better on Google than Twitter is.
- Robert Scoble
I am such a sheep. @markmeyerphoto
- Mark Meyer
from iPhone
I have nothing interesting to say, don't follow me.
- burc sahinoglu
from BuddyFeed
what about me? ... sniff
- Andy Ghozali
Me me me ;)
- Alemsah Ozturk
from iPhone
looking for owls?
- Dave Senior
Well I am out for the night. Good luck on your mass un-follow Robert. I look forward to your report on the results.
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
Robert, this is looking like a long thread already. :)
- Robert Miller
Andy, Alemsah, and Dave, I'm already following you.
- Robert Scoble
Do you consider FF to be less spammy if you are trying to find your new Twitter "friends" here?
- Dušan Šimonovič
Dusan: are you a spammer?
- Robert Scoble
lmao on here you are, not on the big T tho nevermind I will follow you there too, been a fan....
- Andy Ghozali
why?
- takmaz
bold and yet gutsy move...love the trending topic already!
- Feersum Engine
:)
- Ruchit Garg
Follow on FriendFeed or Twitter? :P Or Google Rader? :P
- @LarsenTweet
Türkçe ne diyor arkadaş ?
- Sinan İŞLER
The wild and woolly blogosphere is replete with all sorts of good stuff. Hard to follow 500 people, let alone 1000. I applaud you for trying to take the reins.
- Jack B
hey there
- deadmanwriting
And will you unfollow me if I send a DM ;)?
- Sudar
I don't get it
- Sheldon Levine
Qbat: I'll follow here on FriendFeed. Sheldon what don't you get?
- Robert Scoble
Sudar: no, if you send me DMs here, that's good.
- Robert Scoble
How long is the unfollow process going to take? And do you think FF will have as much noise as Twitter?
- Duc Nguyen
So it's Twitter DM that you don't like?
- Sudar
Sudar: right.
- Robert Scoble
And will you follow me? don't know if you ever have, but I am following you on twitter.
- Jus
Hey, Thanks for following me
- Michael_techie
Would love your company, Robert.
- Daniel Zarick
from iPhone
Even worse is Twitter DM spam, of course.
- Dennis Jernberg
It funny you put spammers, SEO experts, bots, social media experts all in one bucket. What are you implying? Btw, I'm none of these...
- Peter Chee
.. and it works!! Just got a mail saying Robert is following me now... :)
- Sudar
Peter: I did that to piss off the SEO experts. :-)
- Robert Scoble
This makes me realise that posting from Twitter as opposed to "to twitter from FF" allows the Twitter stream to grow on the back of FF comments ! otherwise not : as in my case - what do you think Robert ? FF to Twitter ? Or FF aggregating all your tweets ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Nicholas: shhhh, you are discovering my secrets! I'm doing more and more from FriendFeed lately.
- Robert Scoble
I comment and you follow me. Its totally worth it
- Arvind
Do I have to follow you too? :)
- Mobilepax
Arvind: even better I was following you before. Mobilepax: no. I really don't care about followers. Inbound is more important than who is listening to you.
- Robert Scoble
and does that mean I have to write in English from now on :)
- Mobilepax
Awesome. I'm the 439th commenter. :D
- Jhay Rocas
Mobilepax: no. I translate interesting posts to English.
- Robert Scoble
More than 400 comments in about 2 hrs. Not bad. I wonder if there'd be nearly as many twitter responses/mentions.
- Franz Binder
Franz: no way. Not even close.
- Robert Scoble
Nice one - it's cool that you give friendfeed (and all the commenters of course ;-) much kudos.
- Alex Vermeule (@alexve)
If you just follow everyone in this thread, won't you just wind up with noise from 'engaged' people. I mean, does this solve the problem?
- Christopher Harper
Good thing its 4am and my car alarm went off, otherwise you wouldnt follow me! I had to look up a video online how to break the key fob apart becuase aparently its battery leaked and was self activating the panic switch. Damn VWs! a replacement key is only like 150 bucks!!
- Charlieray
Missionary: no. You have not discovered that FriendFeed has groups and MUCH BETTER search.
- Robert Scoble
Its funny that if you say "SEO" on twitter its an instant 10 followers
- Charlieray
A friendfeed promotion experiment?
- John Mandia
from iPhone
What is a comment?
- Meriç Dağlı
I'd rather follow you on Friendfeed, Robert. Your tweets get cross posted here anyway, and there's a much greater sense of engagement in that conversation than there is over at Twitter.
- Andrew Terry
John: no. Meric: you just made one.
- Robert Scoble
John: I've been promoting FriendFeed for 18 months. Where have you been?
- Robert Scoble
FF rocks :o)
- Cowan Group
Everyone that "follows" you really does know you love FF. So did you build a tool to follow everyone back that comments on here or are you seriously going to manually follow people back?
- Peter Chee
Theres 451+ comment here, do you really follow *everyone*?
- Fajar Nurdiansyah
woohoo! I'm in :P
- Tim Bergman
Because I am up at 1:20 a.m. PT, why not... I must be your target audience then.
- Georgiana Comsa
It must show you how many people enjoy engaging with you Robert, with the number of people posting here.
- Steve Farnworth
Amazing to see the comment thread to this entry expand constantly in real time.
- Christian Bolstad
Peter: I've manually followed everyone on this thread so far.
- Robert Scoble
Peter: although to be fair I've already followed quite a few people who have commented here.
- Robert Scoble
Hi, you are already following me. My solution to get rid of spammers on Twitter is to block them, that is what I do. If everyone started blocking them, I think things would improve
- Asgeir
Are you going to sleep tonight, or watch the fun?:)
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
is that enough to get followed?
- Ouriel Ohayon
do I accumulate credit, maybe towards an afterlife? You are already following me :-)
- Anindya Chatterjee
really anyone? :D
- Francesco M.
What about the SEO experts who accidentally find this feed?
- phil baumann
Robert, but you're following commenters here, not on Twitter, right? Not that i care about Twitter that much, as for me it's just a pipeline. FF and FB are conversational platforms for me, or the places i hang out these days.
- Tibor Holoda
Spammers being blocked doesnt do anything as they are hoping for that 1 in 100 hit of someone clicking that link, eventually they get banned and create a new account.
- Charlieray
Aaman: Sleep? some of us are just starting the day. We're waiting for the US to go to sleep so we can talk about you ;-)
- Rachel Clarke
the term SEO expert is a crock of shit
- Charlieray
like that's gonna work...
- thinkingpot
I hope you like hype machine loved tracks.
- Neil Godfrey
FriendFeed is better only if U want feedback and have the time to check it out.
- Marko Dvornik
Hello from the UK...
- robkeynes
Marko: not true. It's better because it has very little spam. It's better because it has a better search engine. It's better because it has comments and likes. It's better because it's an aggregator. And more.
- Robert Scoble
you don't have to follow back. but i'll take the chance to say great work with building 43.
- Alexandre Gamela
from twhirl
where's the 'hide button'??? :-D
- Massimo MaxKava Cavazzini
Massimo: right up top. Heheh. Alexandre: thank you!
- Robert Scoble
After 6 months out of the social media loop I came back to a whole bunch of follows that I either couldn't remember who they were or why I had followed them - how can that be relevent? So, I culled my follows back to less than 200. I'm now just looking to find the signal amongst the noise.
- Colin Walker
What about FriendFeed? Is there any @notsecretscoble too?
- Ludwik C. Siadlak
Friendfeeding for Scoble to follow me while on vacation in Montauk. There is something wrong with me.
- Mitchell Schneider
:)
- امیرعباس
Mitchell -- you just don't want to miss the fun.
- RobinDotNet
robkeynes -- nice to see you up and about
- RobinDotNet
Ludwik: no, because here I can just start a new list of users.
- Robert Scoble
Well, this has been fun to watch, but it's almost 2 a.m. and I have to be very smart tomorrow morning, which is easier when I'm not too tired, so everyone have a great [whatever comes next in your time zone].
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm trying to understand this follow/unfollow strategy you are applying as Napoleon Bonaparte on a battle field ;) Interested to know the result
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I really do think the way Twitter has changed in the last few months, with all the media attention, certainly begs for it to be used differently now.
- Nicola Quinn
SEO what?! :)
- Kobayashi
Wow that's a whole lot of people commenting in the last 2 hours, Rob - How many of the new people you are following from this list are NEW to friendfeed? (estimate?)
- Roy Herrod
i'm new!
- Luigi Filograna
Roy: 40%
- Robert Scoble
Does this constitute a comment or are you looking for some insightful commentary on the state of new media? ;)
- Iwan
40%? This must have turned out to be one of the biggest promotions in FF history, even if it wasn't intended that way. BTW, I'm new to FF too.
- Dennis Jernberg
guess it's good to clean up the list once in a while.
- Yan PHUN
Ha ha, nice.... So any major ramifications from the mass unfollow?
- Alistair (alpinefolk)
Alistair: other than losing about 1,000 followers so far? No major ramifications.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'm coming out with a project in the Continuing Medical Education field in the next weeks so if you are interested, I wouldn't mind if you will follow me :-)
- Marco Fabbri
Won't tell anybody, specially Seo people, ssshhhh.....
- Giorgio Burlini
from iPhone
No comment ... :)
- Charlie Anzman
Too late.
- Alex Gonzalez
You had me at don't tell the spammers...
- Sean Kelly
I think it's a hoot. Now I'm wondering whether to reverse my recent move towards following more, not less. I do believe that from my experience so far FF is more attuned to building/maintaining community than is Twitter.
- Des Walsh
Great move Robert - I like it a lot
- Robert Davies
Des: on FriendFeed you can do both strategies at the same time. You can follow a lot more in one list while following even fewer in another.
- Robert Scoble
Des - Once more people re-engage in the conversation here, they'll realize the continuing outright potential of Friendfeed. I still some here before I read my e-mail
- Charlie Anzman
wow...just wow :) Robert, you have many fans !!
- Hayk
Good luck on hiding from the bots, they have ways of finding people.... :)
- Chris Holm
well, who am I to refuse such a nice offer? here I am!!!
- niccolò vecchia
Good to hear! I have only ~2000 followers, but I can't follow more at the moment due to Twitter's follow limit rule.
- Martin Lindeskog
I can't resist. skeptical, however.
- thinkQuick
Robert maybe the effort to get to 1 million is too great?? LOL Look forward to being in special company
- Wayne Mansfield
lol! ;-)
- auro
Following for the sake of it
- Rudi
follow, unfollow. it's all work...
- punkwithgun
Great way to test the chemistry between FF and Twitter. I like it.
- E-Advocate Network
Robert - I'am definitely not a spammer when it comes to broadcasting anything to people, who doesn't want to hear it :) but I do sometimes respond (mostly on twitter so @reply) to some tweets not aimed on me, but that's what everybody actually asks for when publicly broadcasting anything.
- Dušan Šimonovič
Lovely.
- Kevin Montgomery
Scoble is a superstar :)
- Peter
Woohoo. :)
- mjc
Enjoy your tweets
- Keith Humphreys
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto. Himitsu o shiri tai. (Secret secret. I've got a secret.)
- Rich Puskarich
Welcome!
- Bob Stewart
Shhh...don't tell anyone but I'm neither of those (the spammers, SEO experts, the bots, or the social media experts,) though, I like the heck out of the concept of this thread...
- Vincent Wright
@euaneggs :)
- Euan Rowlands
Good idea about the unfollow. It was an interesting experiment whilst it lasted but given your lifestyle I'm sure most Twitter messages just passed you by. I never DM'd you however, it was nice to think that I had the option if I wanted to. Anyway I've been on FF for ages now, and what I need is a good FF app (for pc), any ideas anyone?
- Nick Bristow
Nick: I just use a browser with FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Only 530 comments so far? Come on people you are not even trying.
- John Cooper
oh,i'm 538?
- M∂hmood
hello hello!
- May Wong
I am really curious to check the result of this experiment...
- Alessandro Galetto
from twhirl
why are you doing this again ?
- startup ticker
To confuse you.
- Robert Scoble
LOL - nice one Robert.
- Darren Rowse
Lol! that dude definitely sounds confused :-)
- Freddie Benjamin
:-) well done
- Johni Fisher
Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me.
- Gilbert Harding
Nice! Subscribe me!!! ;)
- stakhov
cool~
- kang
promise?
- David Semeria
well i'm only bemused, is that close enuff ?
- startup ticker
so quick~
- kang
I'm interested to see how this turns out for you.
- Brandon Eaker
talk about noise!
- Miles Media
550 commants!!!! wtf?
- Rob Sellen :o)
Good to know. Scoble is a superstar.
- jaspio
@Rob Sellen, did you see the comments on the most recent ffundercats podcast entry. http://friendfeed.com/ffunder... Over 1000 in a very short period of time. Although I expect that this post will also get up to those levels.
- travispuk
Ah Scoble allways busy.
- erwin blom
NOTICE: I am closing comments here because I gotta get some sleep. I'll consider doing this again sometime. Sorry if you didn't get in, but see you tomorrow night.
- Robert Scoble
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Looks like Digsby's getting into the URL shortening game. Searched their forums and found they've been "considering" it for the past few weeks (http://forum.digsby.com/viewtop...), it appears they actually did it:
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Wonder why they all want to get in the URL shortening industry
- Sean Scott
oh goody another short url for us to unshorten :(
- Nick Halstead
@Sean: The same reason everyone else is. I'm guessing it's because there's $ to be made from the analytics side of things, but that's just a guess since I haven't paid much attention to the biz aspect of it
- LANjackal
I'm not sure how much money there is in it. The reason we did it is for branding.
- Steve Shapiro
@steve: Thanks for the info, as I said I was just guessing
- LANjackal
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Fotopedia, the first collaborative photo encyclopedia - http://www.fotopedia.com/
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Fotopedia is now open to everyone. Photographers, photo enthusiasts, bloggers, ... Their are many ways to contribute: add photos, find great photos you can reuse, document, organize, nominate the most relevant photos, vote, use the widget, follow people you like, invite friends, tweet and talk about photos and photographers, ... Find the way that corresponds to you.
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
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How-To: 5-channel sound mixing board - http://blog.makezine.com/archive...
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@jolbrich @timoreilly The movie could be streamed in sync with the screening to an iphone app. Crypto Key provided with ticket purchase.
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Well, since Microsoft doesn't make hardware, let's compare what they do make, Operating Systems: According to Amazon, Windows Vista Ultimate with SP1 by Microsoft: $249.95 and Mac OS X Version 10.5.6 Leopard by Apple $105.01 (I had to pick the Ultimate version of Vista because OSX doesn't come with restrictions).
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Let's be clear, the current ads are for HP hardware because they never play up the benefits of the operating system.
- Johnny
Microsoft Office Home and Student 2007 by Microsoft: $92.99 / iWork '09 by Apple: $62.49
- Johnny
Pick the one you like the best or the one that your think will help you accomplish what you want to do, but compare Apples with Apples...
- Johnny
Entourage for OS X kind of sucks. If used for work, Windows, Office 07 and Office 08 via my employer cost exactly the same for FTEs. OS X upgrades cost at least $100 more.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
No restrictions? Not being able to install it on home built PC is a huge restriction.
- Rodfather
What hardware does Apple make in it's computer platforms? And ++Rod, can install Windows on any PC platform
- Mo Kargas
But Microsoft don't make hardware...
- Johnny
OEM XP is $15
- Rodfather
@Johnny Exactly, so compare apples with apples, as it were
- Mo Kargas
So are you saying that if Microsoft made hardware, THEY wouldn't restrict what other hardware it could be installed on?
- Johnny
If you need Microsoft software, and can't imagine replacing Word, Excel, or Outlook with Apple or open source equivalents, then a Mac is definitely not for you.
- Victor Ganata
in one of the ads I think they actually picked a Dell. So they're not all HP. Either way, i think the ads are stupid. And Microsoft does make hardware. Mice, Keyboards, webcams, etc. I think I even havea MS router and PCMIA network card.
- John Wang
John, pretty sure they are classed as peripherals...
- Johnny
And XBoxes and Keyboards and webcams...
- G Dub of the Carolinas
@Johnny I don't know, now we enter the realm of hypothesis. Fact is, Mac use non-proprietary hardware - yet use of their OS mandates using that non-propriety hardware exclusively from them - MS don't say that.
- Mo Kargas
I think what Johnny means is that Microsoft doesn't make computers. The only thing they make that could possibly be construed as some kind of computer is the XBox 360.
- Victor Ganata
So, basically... Company A makes a great cup holder, but it only comes in and fits Company A's car. Company B has a cup holder that may do thing differently and has some quality issues but it can fit into any car made. Company B then makes an ad saying Company A's cup holder is expensive because you have to buy the whole car to get it. To buy the individual part, Company A's cup holder is cheaper. Now even though Company A's cup-holder may be far superior, Company B wins because it's universal...
- Johnny
@Victor When my job requires me to use an Exchange server, Remedy and MS Project Web access, OS X is simply not an option by itself. So I install Parallels and use published Citrix apps, and that gets me through. I tried to go without a VM or RDP, but I still can't use Project Web, because I need to be able to install a plugin that only works with IE. If it won't function in my job, what good is it?
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
Company A's cup holder quality, superiority is percieved. Additionally, both the cars come from the same vendor. You can say B's holder is more expensive, but technically it's not, since you're forced to buy the same car at a considerably higher price in order *to use* A's holder. In the case of Apple's OS, it's not as versatile as Windows. Case in point, gaming.
- Mo Kargas
MiniMage: well, exactly, you have to use the right tool for the job, right? A Mac would be totally useless for you. But I don't think everyone needs that high a level of tool specificity.
- Victor Ganata
You mean like dedicated GPU? The lack of gaming on the Mac is largely due to a lack of titles for it.
- Johnny
@Johnny No it's not, it's the lack of a system level rendering platform (DirectX). Additionally, although a Mac is in hardware terms a PC, I can't easily upgrade componentry in order to run games, or expand on the capabilities of the system. What if I want the power of a HD4890 Radeon?
- Mo Kargas
Can you give me a system level rendering platform example on a PC.... Also, with the card, Do they manufactures make drivers for it?
- Johnny
Mo: Apple designs their own boards and even design a lot of their own custom ASICs. Further, they're reportedly working on custom processors for the iPhone and tablets. In what way is MacBook hardware 'off the shelf' where a Dell or HP isn't?
- Kevin Fox
Rodfather, do you have a link for single-user $15 OEM XP? It's $131 from AMZN.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Johnny: Already have. Kevin: They use Intel, chipsets and cpu's, seagate drives etc. I'm not talking about the Macbook. Also Johnny, it's not the manufacturers fault (they do have drivers anyway, especially ATI) - Apple don't want people buying cards from other vendors and putting them in their ageing Macs - you only get a new card, if you buy a new Mac. Enough said.
- Mo Kargas
Nope. That's what Microsoft charges for XP Home on netbooks.
- Rodfather
bullshit. The graphics processor in the iphone is a powerVR (leeds based). The CPU is an ARM design (also UK based). Apple designs very little other than the layout of a circuit board, that isn't the same as designing the logic on a board! Apple Laptops are as off the shelf as Toshiba laptops are - they go to the manufacturer of the chips and ask for a board to a specific dimension for their system.
- alphaxion
Mo, I have upgraded the video card in my G4 twice now. Once from the local Apple reseller, once from Harvey Norman. At the time, the Apple reseller was $45 below the retail price.
- Johnny
also, OSX does have a native graphics API.. it's called OpenGL and it was the competitor to DirectX (is older than it too).. it's just MS were able to get more people to use their API than openGL, tho you'll find a few still support openGL. Those that do, never bothered to compile their game for OSX due to the remarkably small market they hold. About the only game of any note to be mac compatable in recent years was world of warcraft.
- alphaxion
A single instance, with an outdated PowerPc platform, you could probably have got it even cheaper on ebay. How about your memory? CPU? Can you upgrade these things with ease? Things have changed in the later macs.
- Mo Kargas
@Alpha I was aware of OpenGL, but it's so small these days it hardly deserves mentioning. Regardless, this limits any Mac to a lesser range of tasks than Windows machines. Perhaps they should collaborate with MS to have a DX for Mac.
- Mo Kargas
Memory is currently maxed out (upgraded myself). No need to upgrade the CPU because I can still run all my graphic programs fine on a 6 year old machine. Mac Pros are a dream to upgrade. Collen on TWiT swapped out the hard drive on a iMac in under 30 minutes.
- Johnny
Your point?
- Mo Kargas
Oh really? Wish I could go to Fry's and grab the cheapest Blu-Ray drive, stick it in a Mac, and play movies.
- Rodfather
Q. Can you upgrade these things with ease? A. Yes
- Johnny
Mo, it depends on the model. Laptops and the Mini are designed for RAM and not much else easy changes internally. I've been using the towers, which are very configurable. My last tower (dual 500MHz G4) was my main machine for 8 years. I still use it as a network and media server. Now have a 8-core tower with all kinds of expandability. These things are built to last. I still have fully-functioning Macs from 1989-1990. Not for everyone, but great for those who they suit.
- Tinfoil 2.0
@mo they've been trying to get MS to open up DX for years. It'll never happen without government intervention, since it would give linux the one thing it really needs too. If anything, the gaming industry needs to move back to opengl again for this to become truly open once again, and it's hardly "limited" compared to DX since it keeps pace with DX features. The simple fact is apple and...
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- alphaxion
@Johnny Not as easy as PC :) @Logic I'm sure thats the case, but the fact of the matter is, you can build a Windows based PC and it will do the same tasks, if not more, for far far less. Your 8 core machine costs almost 9 grand here for the base machine. Furthermore, I also have Windows machines from the 90's still functioning :)
- Mo Kargas
I wish Apple would open up OSX so I could install it on a Tablet PC
- Rodfather
@alpha Can't say I'm sorry it's Windows dominated. It's far more affordable to build a PC gaming rig than anything Apple could conceivably build.
- Mo Kargas
I am coming late to this party and I will only contribute this: ALUMINUM, FUCK YEAH
- Mike Nayyar
I still say, if apple are to ever mount a serious challenge to windows then they need an answer to active directory and exchange. Do that, and apple market share will shoot up... as it stands, it's extremely hard to beat the control you have over user desktops as you do with active directory (GPO) and the client OS.
- alphaxion
I think we all understand that there is no real Apples-to-Apples comparison (no pun intended). Various machines are marketed to different niches of applications, verticals, value points, etc. People should buy what suits their needs best. I'm not sure Apple wants to become a majority computer maker... that only means price competition to the lowest common denominator and very low profit levels. There are riches in niches and they do quite well catering to the markets they serve best.
- Tinfoil 2.0
@mo you won't hear me arguing against that - I have a macbook and won't ever shop with apple to replace the HDD or change the ram cause they charge monumentally fucktarded prices for standard upgrades.
- alphaxion
I would buy a Mac if they gave me the control and versatility I enjoy with my quad boot machine, and offered a very similar price point. But understand that's not their thing.
- Mo Kargas
alphaxion... I'm with you there... I bought my tower with absolute minimums and added my own. it's the only way to go for anyone with a modicum of computer skill (though realize that many customers just want a toaster).
- Tinfoil 2.0
@logical extemes I've always said this for anything. computer, console, etc. Whatever fits your needs is what you should buy. If it has the games you wanna play, buy that. If it does the tasks you need to do at a price point you wish to pay, then buy that. Everything else is fanboyism.
- alphaxion
I have both a macbook and a windows home built tower. I use my macbook for on the go stuff and video editing. Everything else is done on my windows desktop. That is what fits my needs, tho this will be different for everyone else.
- alphaxion
+2009 RodFather. Only tablet option for Apple is the ModBook. Personally, I want the ability to use a tablet in portrait mode. When I was at a conference and told an Apple sales guy I wanted a tablet, he said the iPhone was one. Now, I got some great info from him & the others w/ him, but that wasn't part of it. It seems to me Apple just can't claim to be a company that actually adapts to my needs. No, they make you adapt and reluctantly give in to demands for things like 2-button mice or copy/paste.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
But no vendor can possibly be that adaptive. The fact of the matter—whether you're talking about Apple, Dell, HP, Asus, or Acer—is that you either take what someone gives you, run it straight out of the box, and live with the limitations, or you build your own from parts, hack in the things you need, and tweak it endlessly until it meets your needs.
- Victor Ganata
Whoa, Feedback! - http://blog.twitter.com/2009...
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Golly, big surprise there, Biz!
- Stephen Foskett
i'm always surprised by the idiocy of smart people. "whoa feedback"??? AYFKM?
- @baratunde
btw, great job on twit
- @baratunde
[Liked] for the Comedian trailer reference.
- Brome
Mandela Day is catching on, please help share the love and become a fan on FB http://www.facebook.com/pages... (via @coreindustries)
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Yo friendfeed @PragueBob doesn't like subscriber management in the new friendfeed. Let's discuss such here:
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Personally it's a bit different. There are lots of features missing, though. Things like if I hover over names I can't see if they are following me anymore. I have a feeling I know why they did that, to get rid of the "game" that exists over on Twitter, and which is causing Twitter some very real noise problems, but it would be nice to have a definitive "we aren't going to bring that back" message.
- Robert Scoble
one thing that gets me is trying to subscribe to people in the middle of a thread brings me to the top of the page and loses my place (so I usually have to open them in a new tab or something)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm interested in why @PragueBob is having troubles. Oh, Rob, yes, that pisses me off too.
- Robert Scoble
+Rob Nelson
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
:-) I'd also like to see if their following me - I can see when I am following them, and if it's mutual (by the DM link) but not if they're following me. I'm not sure that that alone causes the game
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I thought if you had the option to send a Direct Message, that was an indicator that they are subscribed to you.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
I check on my subscribers list and only some had the link, this is how I determined it has to be mutual subscriptions
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It would be nice to have a definitive or some kind of update to alot of things and where they may be headed.
- Colossal Marketing™
I dislike it. I would like the ability to view by subscribing history, at least the ability to sort.
- Mike Nayyar
Just for clarity, @PragueBob is complaining about friendfeed's service and subscriber management here: http://twitter.com/PragueBob
- Robert Scoble
Mike: http://friendfeed.com/setting... is a complete log of your subscription history
- Benjamin Golub
Not being able to tell if you are subscribed to people who are subscribed to you, from within your /subscribers link is a real pain. I dont want to have to rely on having the emails tell me if i get new subs, and to go check them out.
- Simon Wicks
@PragueBob should try Twitter's customer service.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ok, Benjamin's post a second before mine cleared part of that up. Thanks for that, didnt know about that page.
- Simon Wicks
Simon- if you look thru your subscbers list, and one that doens't have a Direct Message link is someone you're not subscribed to - Correct me if I'm wrong on this
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob - But i have to hover over each person to see that, before you could just see it.
- Simon Wicks
ah...true that simon
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
This link http://friendfeed.com/setting... doesnt seem to tell me if i've had new people sub to me either.
- Simon Wicks
and thanks for that page Benjamin (P.S. @PragueBob - here's some FriendFeed customer service right here...find THAT on twitter!)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Simon: that page is just your subscription modifications but thanks for the feedback. We are definitely listening
- Benjamin Golub
We're planning to get better subscriber info visible in the ui (including the pop-up cards) -- we're still cleaning up some missing or broken details in the new ui :)
- Paul Buchheit
What would be great for the non-Scobles among us (ie. people who aren't getting hundreds of new subscriptions a day) is a column in our subscribers list with something like our last 10 or 15 new subscribers, with an indication of whether we are already subscribed to them.
- The original Kevin
Excellent response! Great customer service! (while I see you all what's up with Facebook posts?)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I'm a Scoble and I'm not getting hundreds of new subscribers a day, Kevin. :)
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Some parts of FriendFeed UI are just not well thought out. The "main flow" (interaction with content, conversing) works good all in all, but the "side pages" don't get the same care.
- Meryn Stol
+10 simon I'm not playing the game, but do want to check without skating around the interface.
- bob phillips
Paul, some people feel the new UI was "rushed". Do you have a comment on that? It might have been better to keep it in beta for some longer time, and work some more with existing user feedback. After all, the beta users are the loyal users... I don't care seeing some broken stuff.
- Meryn Stol
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but I really want the option to mass-subscribe to those who are subscribing to me. Just wanting to be reciprocal :)
- Michael Forian
Meryn: I disagree. First of all new users are showing up here in droves again. Second of all, now they have a single code base to maintain and get working right. So we'll get our new features faster. Michael: I hope they never turn that feature on. It caused nasty community repercussions over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Meryn, there's certainly some truth to that, but as Robert pointed out, there's also significant benefits to getting the new ui out. In general, I think it's better for startups to error on the side of moving too fast. We're definitely listening though, and will try to get all of these issues addressed as soon as possible.
- Paul Buchheit
Robert, if they still had to put a lot of time in maintaining the old codebase during the beta phase of the new one, I can understand that they wanted to get rid of the old one as quickly as possible. Yet, I'm not sure if it was costing their time. I suspect it was more of trade-off between showing the all-shiny real-time interface and getting to actual "feature equivalence". But then,...
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- Meryn Stol
"I think it's better for startups to error on the side of moving too fast" - that's a telling statement. :) I think it's good to move fast with showing of new UI ideas, but I think that with the exposure FF has nowadays, I'd only show the new ideas to loyal people. The concepts of alpha, beta, public beta and whatever more were not invented without reason. ;)
- Meryn Stol
Robert: I totally agree about the no mass subscribe feature.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
And I have to generally agree with Paul, moving fast becomes an issue with startups as you're trying to get ideas out into the marketplace. The faster you move the more you're likely to set the standard. And as long as you're not moving faster than the architecture allows for, you're doing better than most. UI problems can be fixed while you're running, whereas the architecture problems are much more difficult to take care of on the fly
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Meryn: because friendfeed moved to real time fast many people are seeing the advantages of friendfeed's community here. There's some pain, I agree. I want my features now, damn it! :-) I like companies that take a bit of a risk and try to change things up. Friendfeed has to make something happen. That's going to take a series of steps like this. They won't always be fun, especially for...
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- Robert Scoble
I've been rather vocal on my stance on this issue this past week, so it's probably best I not rehash it here. Suffice to say: I liked the old functionality.
- FFing Enigma
Tina: yeah, I'm still missing a few things too. It'll be interesting to see what we get back. And what new stuff we'll get in return (Bret promised live search and skinning, for instance).
- Robert Scoble
Skinning doesn't do me a whole lot of good if I can't reliably and easily manage those to whom I subscribe.
- FFing Enigma
Not interested in gaming the system, but it's nice very quickly to check new followers, and follow back as needed. (I do tend to follow back--I love the hodge podge of voices and perspectives.)
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy: I wish they used a similar system to Dopplr. I love how easy it is to follow people (that service uses JavaScript/AJAX to make it very easy to follow there).
- Robert Scoble
I want something that lets me subscribe automatically to everyone who is subscribing to me. The old UI had that. I can weed out the spam later, but I don't want to go through and click each individual subscriber to subscribe back
- Stephen Pickering
I don't want an auto-subscribe but I do want two pieces of info for new followers, some sort of date stamp and to know if I already subscribe. I want to see rapid changes (hopefully mostly viewed as improvements) but it should be with a way for providing immediate (in other words don't make me go find an obscure form under "Support" elsewhere) feedback on changes.
- Jim Espinoza
Two things. One, the subscriber management in FriendFeed was bad before, but now it's just impossible. And two, FriendFeed's response to my pointing this out to them in excruciating detail in an e-mail to their support was to respond with a link to the subscriber management page (which is exactly what I had just criticized) and informing me that I could manage my subscribers there. Hello?
- Robert Morrison
To expect a user to click through page after page of subscribers and hover the cursor over each one is just ridiculous, but that's the way the new subscriber management works. At least in the old FriendFeed it was possible to click "All" and then use FireFox search to highlight the word "Subscribe" in order to find out quickly who to "return the follow". Get it? If not then get several hundred subscribers like I have and try to manage this with the "new, improved FriendFeed" (joke!). Good luck.
- Robert Morrison
Robert: I follow thousands and I never even use that page. Which is why I didn't see the pain you are talking about. I never autofollow in friendfeed. I personally don't mind that they made THAT harder. I really made a mistake in Twitter by autofollowing. Twitter should never have allowed that.
- Robert Scoble
true on autofollow at Twitter .that has become ~95% a but spam tool ...//// here, they say Friendfeed is doing good! --- "Can anyone explain why Friendfeed exploded over the past few days? Its May 4, 09... We'd like to have you on our radio show." - http://twitter.com/jasoncr... ... btw, i will vote for comments time stamps right here :]
- pb:
How to set up imaginary friends on the new FF to pull their updates in from Twitter?
- A Mitchell
@PragueBob: Your number of subscribers notwithstanding, your tirade on Twitter was unconstructive and childish. At no point have I seen any concrete suggestion for what you would like to have happen. Instead I've seen a bunch of rude remarks that suggest that the new FriendFeed susbscriber management sucks and is a joke, and that FriendFeed (and we) don't "get it" and the FF customer support is "the stupidest I have ever encountered" and FF is " a company without a clue"
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
If you would like something fixed then you are obliged to describe the manner in which you would like to see it changed. Pray tell what tools you have to manage your 50,000 subscribers on Twitter? And show me how you're going to get even a one line response from them? And I wonder how you acquired those 50000 followers there? Can you show me what value you're adding to the conversation?...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Petr: There is a relative timestamp on the bubble next to each comment. (might be nice if there was an absolute timestamp)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I would think that is would be nice if FriendFeed were to provide me a page that showed new subscribers (to me) and at least one entry per each subscriber (maybe not the latest one, maybe the longest in in the previous 24hours?) The record of this just like my own subscriptions would be ultra-cool in my book.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@guruvan My tirade as you call it has engendered a serious discussion about fixing FriendFeed, and my earlier suggestions went directly to them (repeatedly I might add) and concrete suggestions were made by me directly to them about this. I can't see that your remarks added anything to the discussion so I'm afraid it's you who are the childish one by simply trying to draw attention to yourself. You will lose subscribers this way, too. But in my case you simply will not gain one... :-)
- Robert Morrison
Robert: the right way to influence the friendfeed team is to participate in the FriendFeed Feedback room. http://friendfeed.com/friendf... -- that's where I've had the most success getting my bug reports across.
- Robert Scoble
Robert M: I will consider that a blessing. With your suggestion on Twitter "I sincerely apologize to everyone for even suggesting that you use FriendFeed, it is truly horrible now. " I cannot see how I would like to have you subscribe to me. Subscribers are not nearly so important to me as is contrstructive dialog. I challenged you to suggest what you would like to see changed and...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@gurvan You called me childish, I simply challenged you. I'm not angry with you, I couldn't care less, really. You were off topic to begin with and you have simply gone farther astray with your lengthy reply. Send your suggestions for improvement of FriendFeed to FriendFeed, like I already did. BTW this is Robert Scoble's discussion, not mine, he started it on my behalf, which I thanked...
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- Robert Morrison
Robert M: Read the comments, at no time did I personally attack you I made a suggestion about your actions. I did notice that you did directly attack me. But, as I have already done on Twitter, I shall do here: Block.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@gurvan In answer to you earlier question about what tools I use on Twitter, I'll give you the same answer I have given many many times on Twitter during the past year and a half: none. That's right, I use only the web interface. It suffices. Unfortunately the interface on FriendFeed (which was barely sufficient before) is no longer sufficient, for reasons I have gone into significant...
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- Robert Morrison
@guruvan I don't need to block you, but after your last remarks I will simply have to ignore you from now on, as I am sure anyone who has read how you have behaved towards me will do as well. Good luck in sorting out whatever is troubling you so deeply that you feel the need to attack total strangers, these are trying times for all of us indeed... Folks, the topic was FriendFeed, the...
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- Robert Morrison
@Guruvan .. how about a small timestamp at each individual comment? ..
- pb:
Petr: if you hover over the icon to the left of each comment you can see when each comment was made.
- Robert Scoble
I would personally prefer the absolute timestamp to the relative one on both the individual comment and on the thread's permalink. Or at least the absolute on the thread, and then the relative time to thread beginning on the comments.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
@A Mitchell, try this: http://friendfeed.com/groups > Create a group > Standard feed, then add Twitter service. Looks like it's the new way to create imaginary friends. Be careful when choosing username though, as you could prevent your real friend to get his username when creating a Friendfeed account later.
- Opensource Obscure
Maybe I'm hallucinating, but it seems like FriendFeed has made a serious attempt to solve the problem with subscriber management. Good for them.
- Robert Morrison
Do you think the new friendfeed sucks? Tell us why here:
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Doesn't suck... needs improvement.
- Daniel Zarick
No auto-refresh when you pause the site
- Outsanity
No. It's a bit painful at first, but it's useful, clean, and beats Twitter.
- Jason Nunnelley
1. Better design/colors/layout
- Daniel Zarick
It's wicked!
- Ewan MacLeod
I rather like it.
- Michael McKean
argh. I just train a company yesterday on FF. Now I have to redo it... :)
- Gianluca Diegoli
Like it more than twitter... desktop pop-up is great.
- Joshua
I like it, def better than twitter
- Jan Zimak
I think its great!!
- DanDan
The colors are nice.
- Rishi Talreja
It has a higher learning curve than the old friendfeed
- Tony C
Powerful search tools and the bookmarklet update is awesome
- Peter Kelley
didn't begin using friendfeed on a daily basis until the changes were initially implemented in beta...so in other words i am a fan
- Jeffrey Marsh
Hehehe. I did this too, bringing some colleagues to do some discussions in 'rooms'
- Zu from AOD
I like it, seems more intuitive. But then I also liked the new Facebook.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Scoble trolling?
- Chris Poulson
beta is better than first iteration. cleaner ux. however value prop of friendfeed over twitter is still unclear
- Sean Scott
Just showed it to a pal. He says awesome programming
- ThinkEzy
It doesn't suck at all. Maybe it takes some time for you to get used to it, but once you do, it's great.
- Diego Espinoza V.
I've seen lots of mention of the learning curve--to me, this has been a duck to water experience. Seems sensible, flexible, fluid.
- Kathy Fitch
when I am commenting, I can still see "real time" like or comment by other people, I think it rocks!
- K.D.
I miss the time updates on the rooms, and I don't like the color scheme... Also don't really like the real time view and keep it paused. I do like DMs however... that's the best new feature.
- Lindsay
i like it !
- patrick
doesn't suck at all..guys at friendfeed have done a real good job..keep it up guys
- Arvind
The old colour scheme was better in that it was clearer and gave the impression of a weight and richness. Now FF looks like a cheap blog. Sorry guys
- Dan Stuart
The color scheme is a little gaudy and the "look" inelegant. Like going from a Mac desktop to Windows. It's still perfectly functional. Just not as comfortable being here.
- Jeff Guin
grey for a background… so pathetic. Imaginary friends added in a really cool way to a mental model of friendfeed, now gone.
- Лёша
more like twitter now
- Wei Xia
Just imagine if this was on Facebook. All the hundreds of millions of clumsy Facebook users would start hundreds of thousands of hate groups. Since FriendFeed is mostly geeks & early adopters, they are more open to change. Once this thing hits the mainstream, this sort of innovation on the UI will be impossible to implement.
- Ben Ackles
That's it? No one else thinks friendfeed sucks? Come on now. Facebook changes and everyone is up in arms.
- Robert Scoble
socialcoop: maybe Arrington is right and no one is using friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Since it 'pulls-in' so much content...well, that's kind of like sucking--but I guess the old one did that too. The new FF is better--I used th RT mode in the old one too.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
Maybe that's because facebook's changes actually sucked
- Keith Barrett
But facebook is used by people that don't understand why the internet changes. They are used to desktop software, not web applications. Facebook is the first true webapp most of those users have used.
- Daniel Zarick
Still up for debate.
- David Cohn
We can see the stream and the person who did it, but it's hard to see where it comes from(twitter, blog,..). In the old version, there was an icon to see it but it has disppeared. (sorry for my poor english, I'm french...)
- tristan
Hard to tell - because I just hate change. I'm not a fan of being able to see LESS about who is posting and what they're posting with.
- Ciaoenrico
Remember, it's 2am on the East Coast now, Robert. Even _I'm_ about to hit the hay. *grin*
- Ken Kennedy
I'm still annoyed that FF offers no option for the real-time displays to show newest post at top
- Keith Barrett
I've been using the beta all along, and even with all of the lists I've set up, I find I'm looking at the main feed/lists less than I used to. That's my only real negative. Saved filters are wonderful, and embedding is sometimes useful.
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
Baard Overgaard Hansen: We still have rooms, they're called Groups now. And for me, the comments and likes links at the top of my profile page distinguishes them quite well.
- Sharon McPherson
Only complaint is that I wish it was easier to see where any given piece of information came from.
- Angus Burton
No, it's sweet. It's my favorite thing right now, its the coolest thing on the internets. It runs so smoothly too.
- Stephen Pickering
no complaints. works for me
- Jim Goldstein
welcome to the real world,it sucks but you will like ti,^_^
- 阿石
I much prefer it.
- Jamie
There's gonna be some pushback on this one. I've gotten used to it because I switched to the beta over a month ago. I've almost forgotten what the other layout looked like. To those complaining about not being able to see the source service the posts come from. I think that's the point; don't leave here, it doesn't matter where it came from, discuss it here. :)
- Adam Turetzky
Was just learning the old but between being able to use rooms/groups and auto-updating of comments in a thread, I like it.
- Jim Espinoza
Hate the new FF. Hate the lack of icons for other services. And though I haven't dug around yet (hint! I shouldn't have to!), I can't seem to find a way to parse out different services (ie, just look at Last.fm imports from my friends, or pull out the "internal" RSS feed for content I've personally entered into FF). And right now I'm annoyed by new comments popping onto this page while I'm typing.
- Kevin Hessel
Kevin, thereis a Pause button at top right of the column to deal with your annoyance.
- Jim Espinoza
Just want "Best of" for my friends list then all will be fine again. It was in the beta, right?
- Dominic Jones
Jim, I'm on the unique link (http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...), not on the base FriendFeed page. There's no pause button here that I can see.
- Kevin Hessel
i will probably appreciate new functionalities when using them, but i definitely miss the old look'n'feel, looks very much like twitter now, has lost "personality"
- Adriana Ripandelli
Ah, I learn something new too. Thanks, Kevin
- Jim Espinoza
Looks ugly but an improvement over old version. Workflow on new version is a step back than before. Seems untested and unfinished. I'm seriously looking for something better now.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
the gray background is ugly
- Peter Warnock
Just 4 things I'd like to see implemented. First, as mentioned above, a pause button - comment link placed under the last entry so we don't have to scroll all the way back to the top on long posts to enter comments - the ability to send Retweets, and make posts sticky.
- Sharon McPherson
Another thing, new FF appears to have been designed for those like you with lots of followers. Most of us hardly ever get comments, likes etc. So it's great for the A-list, but shitty for the rest of us. That might change if more people join.
- Dominic Jones
I can't say anything about the new features because I'm too annoyed to look at them. The layout and theme sure sucks though. I thought I clicked onto my twitter page by mistake. Now I need to find TweetDeck for FriendFeed and avoid the web page like the plague to make it tolerable, just like twitter. Why don't they narrow this column down a few more inches - there's really like so much more space they could be wasting. Why only waste 40% of the page?
- Christopher Brocious
not at all intuitive... user interface get a grand 2/10.... if that is fixed, could be fantastic... the concept of real time (even though its simulated, as its still doing "pulls" from the browser rather than "pushes" to the browser) is great, the data itself is rich, but it should focus on either being an aggregator, or syndicator... trying to be both is misadventerous.
- simran
Sharon--click on the time stamp to pop the thing into a new window. Puts the comment box on the bottom, and allows new comments to scroll in without disrupting your writing.
- Kathy Fitch
Whoa, thank you Kathy!
- Sharon McPherson
Nope, it doesn't. It's just different. I'm not getting why people hate it.
- Hubert Taler
You're welcome! ;-) (Oh, and isn't that cool? I love it.)
- Kathy Fitch
Dave Winer hates it, by the way: http://friendfeed.com/davew...
- Robert Scoble
FriendFeed is no longer focused on connecting individual services, it's blending them and that's wrong. Aesthetically it's spiraling and that matters too.
- Andrew Smith
Define "sucks"
- Jack Humphrey
I have yet to fully realize the new features which I'm sure are tremendous. From a UI perspective--design wise? It is very, what I can only describe as, 'early BlogSpot'. It's pretty hard on the eyes and that's the absolute most diplomatic way I can say it. I'll be sticking with the previous incarnation(http://friendfeed.com/realtime) and the real-time pop-out window(http://friendfeed.com/realtim...).
- Gregg Scott
Almost forgot, please FF, give administrators the ability to delete groups.
- Sharon McPherson
I dont like this friendfeed! I want my old and sweety FF! Return my FF, plz...!
- Exir
Agree with Sharon - how do you delete groups?
- Liviu Lica
what sucks about friendfeed is that all people talk about on it is friendfeed or other meta issues. also too many buttons to press to distract. No ecosystem of desktop apps. I am sure its a useful utility for pros like scoble, but for everyone else, twitter is ideal, your mum can understand it.
- Michael Neale
Too much like facebook and twitter. I come here for news and great discussion not status updates of people I don't know, unfortunately, all my friends are on facebook.
- Andrew Royer
Michael: all the "normal" people in my life are on facebook which is more complex than either Twitter or friendfeed. By the way, Facebook adds more people every month than are even on Twitter. So your thesis is TOTALLY WRONG. Users CAN put up with a LOT of complexity. Try again.
- Robert Scoble
fine tuning and control on real time flow is missing.
- Ouriel Ohayon
I miss the additional features of the old UI for posting. You had separate fields to add links, photos, comments as well as the text of the post. How do you add text and a link now?
- Mark Krynsky
FB is daunting, I think. I just hate having to wrestle the danged thing to the ground every time I try to use it. This seems to me to be simple, flexible, fluid, nimble.
- Kathy Fitch
I just did: http://ff.im/2sTvr and there is more, I goes too fast now, It looks like a blog, and friendfeed is not a blog... and I don't like it at all...
- Aline
Too little content on to much space, I only have a 13inch screen. FAIL
- Gerard van Schip
I think it is far away from suck, yes it needs a bit more tweak. But I think its great and more useful than Twitter.
- MoRiza
*HIDE*
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
I would like to see the words subscriptions/subscribers dropped from the profile pages and use friends/followers instead..
- Arvind
Why is everybody taking about Twitter? The question is do you think the new FF sucks? And that anser is YES!
- Aline
because of a twitter-like interface, even if in realtime
- Nicola Junior Vitto
But you can not compare Twitter and FF, that are two realy diffrent things...
- Aline
avatar pictures instead of service pictures. this is getting too social for my reading habbits :) and also, text used to span all over the page now it's trapped in the middle. why. my sides of the screen are upset :)
- Dani Radu
There's very little "twitter-like" other than the use of avatars to bring the focus to people rather than services. And here I thought FF was all about the people to begin with...
- Kevin Kuphal
Hmm. Maybe I'm unperturbed because I've been using the beta from the get-go.
- Kathy Fitch
Thats it! The absence of service icons to ID my stream, thats the only sucky part.
- MoRiza
You'll get used to "from Twitter" under the post in very short order, people.
- Kevin Kuphal
Design is okay, but interface is broken (I've made a detailed list a couple of weeks ago — http://friendfeed.com/friendf...). Here's why:
- Yury Vetrov
1) It's now harder and longer to read. First, all posts look the same because of service icons absence — it was needed for visual filtering of the posts. Then, post header are now come in two parts — text and link (it means more text, more clutter, harder to click — every link begins in it's own place). Third, only one comment in a collapsed discussions — you can't see answer-question pair, just an answer.
- Yury Vetrov
I did not use the Beta, because it would like to see Icons, and I like to see alle services anyone uses, now I have to click my way troug FF, and when I want to read something, it goes very fast...
- Aline
2) It's hard to use FriendFeed as an RSS reader now. Imaginary friends are totally broken. You can still create a private group, but it's inconvinient, it's separates old and new IFs in two lists (subscriptions and groups). I've used FrF as an RSS reader in the first place.
- Yury Vetrov
3) It's impossible to use FrF as a browser of your aggregated content — no more filters by service in user's profile. It was very useful for sites with no proper bookmarks system (Vimeo, SlidShare, YouTube etc).
- Yury Vetrov
@Kevin, FF is all about people. But people are not avatars (yet). We are what we share online, and untill real avatar interaction - we share via services. That's why imho it makes more sense to use service icons then static avatar pics.
- Dani Radu
Naw...tis just different and back to the firehose. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Someone on seesmic who thinks new seesmic sucks http://new.seesmic.com/threads... , I think he's right about imaginary friends but we can still create groups or rooms.
- tristan
Only thing I don't love is the "more" dealie. Harumph. I'm wordy, I confess it. No need to rub my face in it, FF. Makes me feel scolded every time. <wry grin>
- Kathy Fitch
I don't hate it, I don't like it either, it looks much alike the HTML kiddies designs of 10 years ago.
- Amit Morson
I used to filter the content by its source (like http://friendfeed.com/balau...), now it's broken.Apart from that, new FF seems a step in the right direction.
- Francesco Balducci
Here's a link to some Greasemonkey scripts for the new FF http://userscripts.org/scripts... Of note is the one that adds service icons to entries.
- Mark Krynsky
Cool, Mark, thanks.
- Kathy Fitch
I like the concept, but not the look. At least the horrid gray should go.
- Johan Aulin
Sing for Absolution: Please let people use the old version of friendfeed via a sub domain address like old.friendfeed.com. We do prefer to use the old version instead of the new. This new version does not match the low speed connections and users with so much subscriptions. Thank you friends. http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Exir
@ Exir, Yes that's a great Idea... :D
- Aline
Just a tweak to what Mark (hey, Mr Krynsky!) pointed out: some FF scripts don't have the word "beta" in the name, so http://userscripts.org/scripts... will show more (non of mine http://userscripts.org/users... use the term beta, but most are designed for the beta/live-as-of-today features). Oh, and the add service icons script is here: http://userscripts.org/scripts...
- Micah
Thanks for the clarification and more details Micah...Many of the older scripts may not work on the new site and that's why I filtered to 'beta'.
- Mark Krynsky
Why oh why did they feel the need to become *more* like twitter?!?!?
- Scott Gould
Good point, Mark. Another tip is to sort by clicking the "Last Updated" link to look at everything that's been updated since beta-to-live (April 29 or later).
- Micah
New features have negative suck. Layout has small amount of suck - seems less information dense than old layout, with right side space lost to navigation stuff.
- David Lounsbury
takes some getting used to. i've gotten more subscribers since this change than in all the time i've been on FF.
- Alensa
I could like it more if only they could move all the Twitter members over here. :)
- Ed Grant
It's aight.. I can't see how to collapse FF down to see JUST delicious links or JUST Digg links from a specific user or group by clicking on the feed icon. Maybe I still can but I don't see how.
- Jesse Newhart
Yeah there is definitelly less on the screen. More difficult to scan. Is the font size larger. Did they get a coder to design it rather than an interface designer.
- Chris Nixon
from BuddyFeed
i think it's great but may need a bit of work on the actual design. also scoble==totally trolling for a big discussion!
- Snipergirl
I simply want my old FF back... I have the feeling that I use my mobile phone with so much simplicity...
- philos
Bring back imaginary friends!!! the greatest FrF appeal for me was ability to consolidate of all online relationships. Some of these contacts eventually convert and become FrF users, some will never covert and following them via imaginary friend is essential for me.
- Maхx Tee
Everything I liked at FF, is now gone... :(
- Aline
Strange. The impression is we had lots of features and now almost of things are gone. Strange. It definitely needs UX improvements.
- Tiago Vieira
It's good but still had a whole of work to be done to it, as I've stated here: http://friendfeed.com/search... :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
The effect each medium has on the human sensorium vary with the medium. This medium will change our way to use it. The New FF completely change the way we use it. This is another tool: more LIVE, more confused, more dispersive. I love the old FF for the ability to create conversation in a simple way. Now the coversation is absolutly disordered because I can't control how to enjoy the conversations. Good attempt ... to create something different.
- Giovanni Calia
the old FF interface was much better, why is gone the support for icons for feeds? This was a better way to recognize on what channel was generated!! Is not possible to have both Interfaces????
- Dan Romescu
i dont care!
- auburn
Quite the opposite
- Michael McGimpsey
It's great.. but seriously miss the icons that indicate the source of the message... e.g. how to easily filter out all blogposts
- Aad 't Hart
I woudl show them your post about ugly design. Visually I liked the previous interface, not beautiful but personal. This one with rounded corners and wide borders looks like a default theme. I read beta on a nokia and it is not bad, but I would stay very very simple. Content is king.
- Michele Costabile
Friendfeed's new look gives me a perfect antidote to Twitter and I appreciate that, thanksverymuch.
- Bernie Goldbach
who cares, friendfeed could be the future. I've known ever since Scoble's Twitter told me so.
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
it seems a Wordpress comments management :-|
- Ikaro
agree re the need to bring back imaginary friends.
- Matt Hooper
The new FF is ok, kinda ugly, but ok. I still need to get used to it.
- Shawn Hickman
It doesn't suck at all! I like it! Only want a customizable background please
- Annette Schwindt
too much wasted white space. The old version was much more compact (and BTW it let us immediately see where the original news was posted). Is it really so difficult to redesign friendfeed so that we can choose the stylesheet we prefer to display our feed?
- .mau.
+1 for .mau. even gmail (the most powerful terse interface I know of) has themes. Gmail is my web 2.0 style guide.
- Michele Costabile
there's a lot of comments, and we still didn't reach the goldwin point. Maybe, there's not a of people on FF, but people on FF seem to be smarter than the others ;)
- tristan
+1 Service icon not being present irritates me at so many levels
- Swaroop
briefly: cool features, wrong interface. as someone already said: it looks like a cheap blog; it doesn't have any kind of personality, sorry.
- cedmax
just used it for the first time and I have to agree with ced, right format weak design,
- Kemp Edmonds
from twhirl
the new version doesn't suck :-D but not having the old version around still kinda does :-/ re:themes if we have to have them, can they be 'me only' themes or can i tick a box saying 'hide all user themes' ;-)
- immaterial
please keep it light and simple! no threaded comments!
- Maхx Tee
I liked the fact that you could see images before. Also the gray background, could be nicer.
- Avi A
i don't like the gray background, I think kills readability. Other than that, it's huge. And hope it's going to be much more so.
- dario
and, with a giant IMHO, service icons are *not* the point. Once you hit publish, wherever you do, it's "out there", out there (or as good a representation of it you want it to be) being FF, I like this side of it the most.
- dario
hated the beta at first, but for some reason I kept using it and now I really like it. not perfect, but better.
- Robert DeBord
Ugh... Why do these sites have to try and be like Facebook? FriendFeed was a great tool for me to aggregate all of NAPP's feeds and share them on Twitter at a glance. Now I can't tell what's coming from what feed. ((sigh))
- Photoshop User
Dario, thank you! Fftogo is so much better than this Twitter wannabe, space wasting, regressive disaster of a UX.
- Christopher Brocious
next point of order: Being ahead of your user base: good or bad?
- dario
Overall, it's good. Biggest complaint: Bring back imaginary friends! Private Groups are for something else entirely. Also, what do I do about my existing imaginary friends? How do I delete them if they happen to join FriendFeed? Would that be different if I made a private group with their name? All kinds of questions there!
- Don Faulkner
Bring back imaginary friends - otherwise FF is useless for me. A load of my friends just won't spend the time setting up their FF accounts (no need for some of them they perhaps only have a small online footprint) so its back to monitoring shed loads of other sites ie. myspace, delicious, flickr, twitter, etc. etc. Otherwise its great - significantly better than before!
- Angus Neil
I can't post through the bookmarklet to my groups. I was very dependent on this feature, and It doesn't work anymore.. Fix IT!
- Joe Spake
i think user experience isn't much more better..
- Tolga Arıcan
Thank you for calling the Official FriendFeed Helpline, brought to you by Robert Scoble. Leave your message after the beep. BEEP
- Mike Nayyar
Joe Spake: You can still use the bookmarklet to post to groups, just takes a few more steps. Click the X to remove your feed, enter the first letter or 2 of the name of the group(s) you want to post to, then choose the group from those you'll see listed.
- Sharon McPherson
The commenting here has no formatting so I made this .txt file: http://dazetheory.com/scripts...
- Joshua Hatfield
Actually, now that I've used it a little, one thing I HATE is that I can see the number of subscribers and subscriptions anybody has. This is what's wrong with Twitter, as it makes it less about socializing and more about winning at a Ponzi scheme. I'd hate to see that kind of pessimism come over to FriendFeed.
- Ciaoenrico
hate the colors
- Sarah Perez
Doesn't suck, just agree with Daniel: "Better design/colors/layout" please
- Christopher Galtenberg
Ask this again in a few weeks. I started as an immediate hater thinking I would stop using if it continued but it quickly grew on me. I suspect there will be fewer haters then (of course this wait period may provide a self fulfilling wish -- those that really don't like it may leave by then).
- Brian Sullivan
No, it doesn't. Those new to it should use it for a few days and then see how they feel.
- AJ Kohn
I'm still undecided. I still think real time makes it harder for me to find new and interesting contacts and get noticed by other people.
- The original Kevin
Sucks - not usable at work any more because it's so obvious. Plus I'm losing conversations. Give us an option to keep the old interface!
- Victor Ryden 美久太阿
It's funny, I didn't even realize that I had even gone over to the regular FF. I didn't start really using FF until the beta, despite having an account for quite some time, so I've been used to the beta.
- Aaron Kurtz
from IM
Not for me. I used Real-Time all the time in the old version. The only things are A. the mini window is lacking B. The pause button doesn't work like the original pause button so I still feel like I miss stuff when I leave my computer C. The amounts of clicks it takes to do something is a little too much Ex: Refreshing a feed Other than that, I don't see anything wrong with it
- Shevonne
Just need a good desktop app to be able to run vertical stream. Or I need 5 screens. I tried AlertThingy yesterday but it's only one pipe. Ultimately, I think a good micro-blog app needs to deliver a mix chosen streams and of organic news which you may not run into via traditional streams
- Yann Ropars
Good but lake of filters to remove a source from a view and lake of icons that show from where the entry is (RSS, twitter, ...)
- Severin
Don't care for the layout (have to scroll too much to use saved searches), update rate and opening links awkward, seems like features missing, colors not so much. Is beta.FF my default FF anyway? Yes.
- Loren Heiny
It sucks. This is a cramped primary-color room. Cramped, dumbed-down, isolating. Hate it - where is the wide-open white that is the FF I know and like? More to the point, what has been achieved by changing it?
- david
Meh. I like the readability in general - but for comments it's hard to scroll without going too far (on posts like this with a billion comments. I also miss the buttons for Twitter/blog/etc.
- Tabz
I just like to say things suck in general
- Jbizzle
Apart from the excellent points raised by everyone here, I'd like to add that FriendFeed now makes Firefox3 consume much more CPU and and makes my laptop's fan run faster too, thereby reducing battery charge too fast. Please bring back the old energy-efficient FF!. It's all a blur now!
- Siddharth Deb
Like the new features but the look is blah.
- Jessica Lee
I hate the color and overall look/feel of the UI. If I was tech savvy enough, I would try to install the cleaner ff greasemonkey script for chrome... but I'm not. May try anything. But I find the new colors and spacing annoying.
- Jen (SquirrelGirl)
I love it... beta is LIVE :)
- Susan Beebe
I like it actually. Layout is great.
- fbrunel
I don't think the new FF sucks, but I wish they hadn't diluted the imaginary friend feature because I just wrote a post extolling its virtues.
- Karoli
Since every post, like this one for that matter, becomes quicky a chat room, I say I hate reading comments in gray! I also would like to be able to close the comments I opened. Be simples, give me helvetica and black, say hello to round corners and margins. Do not waste one quarter of the screen for a short sidebar, maybe put commands at top and content on two columns.
- Michele Costabile
it's hard to differentiate between the different services now. It all looks the same.
- richrecruiter
I installed the greasemonkey script recommended by Micah which enables me to see both the avatars and service icons - http://userscripts.org/scripts... Double the pleasure, double the fun.
- Sharon McPherson
Sharon, Micah - thanks so much for the greasemonkey script link. Friendfeed without the services icons was really starting to bug me. I hope Friendfeed brings service icons back to the stream as well as imaginary friends. Taking away features = bad. I don't mind the beta but Friendfeed should integrate previously available features into it IMHO.
- Jesse Newhart
I like the new look, would like to customize the way it updates, move newest commented topics up.
- James Rowe
right James, new comments shud stack upwards...not at bottom. wat say Scoble?
- Roshan Ramachandran
New comments at the bottom is ever so much nicer for archives, though. Makes it easier to scan the conversation after the fact, to catch up on a long one late in the game, and to catch the flow at a glance.
- Kathy Fitch
It seems a bad and old Wordpress theme.
- Gianluca Neri
FoaF hiding doesn't seem to be working the way it used to... http://friendfeed.com/kenzoid...
- Ken Kennedy
Ken, nice point.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Kathy: FF being realtime service, updates are easier to read as they "drop in"...specially when you are watching a discussion in separate window, where comments are not collapsed like here. To read an archive, doesnt matter u read upwards or downwards...sequence will always be there...IMO.
- Roshan Ramachandran
No, the new Friendfeed works for me. But then, I watched the launch videos and participated in one of the those Scoble Salons that pop up here. Without those learning aids, I probably would be disoriented here, at least for a while. And that's one of the problems with Friendfeed attracting new users: it's powerful, but it's not really that simple.
- Tom Landini
but ya...then the comment box also need to move to top :)
- Roshan Ramachandran
I have never used FF as much, as I have since the new beta - Props to the FF team!!
- Jim Connolly
Love the new FF except for when you hover over a DP it only shows max 5 services and has a "more >>" link. Wish FF showed all of the services on hover still.
- Garin Kilpatrick
The new FF has become.. Twitter. I used it as a different service: to gather all my feeds. Now next to my avatar only 4 icons are shown! More, next to each entry it doesn't appear anymore the logo of each service (fb, twit,...). FF is now like an RSS reader, but definitely less funnier, so boring, so similar to twitter (which I like anyway). Another great social network is dead :(
- marilena
I like it lots. Twitter is down half the time.
- tojfs7931
Alright guys, I made a Greasemonkey script: http://dazetheory.com/scripts... I'm not the popular one on here, but I couldn't take the background any longer so I fixed it. Screenshot: http://dazetheory.com/scripts... (Share this!!!)
- Joshua Hatfield
1. I would like a widescreen option, now it is just wasting space for long texts, 2 how can I see e.g. all my posts from one of my feeds, only, e.g. only the linkedin feed? This function was great, now I can not find it back.
- joergkurtwegner
@joergkurtwegner: go to your feed and type in the search field "service:linkedin"
- Alejandro
I just think the "pop up" link should be more obvious.
- stanjourdan
You could use ◥ for clarifying the entry "pop-up" link. At least temporarily: the pop-up link is the time stamp in Twitter, too; who doesn't use/know Twitter?
- Jérôme
@Jérôme : ?? (it's not really for me, i'm used to the current link location)
- stanjourdan
@Stan, You = FF team :) I read lots of complaints about this "hidden" link. I can't find an easy way to make it obvious. The mouse-over idea they tested few days ago wasn't well accepted. Addind a "link" link would take some unnecessary space, etc. The UTF character in "16 hours ago ◥" , as ugly as it may be, could shows that the timestamp is popable. This character or another (the Gmail chat pop-up icon would be far prettier).
- Jérôme
Ok Jérome! That's a nice idea !
- stanjourdan
The new friendfeed is great
- Joe Azzara
It looks a little better, but I still don't get it. It introduces more noise and is really weak in the filtration department.
- Brian
I think the main feed area looks better, but the side areas are wasted. The things that niggle me the most are: the rows are (1) too close together in the lists of feeds etc on the right hand side (and i don't like the font) and (2) The Me Feed has gone. That was a really quick, handy way of checking whether i'd already posted something on a topic.
- Eyoki
side bar is a bit wasted.. but like the overall feel of this better :)
- Rachael Depp
It's taking time to readjust, but I'm liking it. I like the real time updates, I like the layout (couldn't give a fig if the graphics are 'sooooo 1990s' as I saw one comment. It does what I want - it aggregates and distributes my social networking life. It does what it promises. I just hope FF doesn't become distracted by bolting more bells and whistles on eg personally couldn't give a toss about the new email function.
- David Eedle
OH, God I hate it. If the changes were optional, if I could pick and choose which ones to enable, that would be one thing. I am a recovered epileptic, and the constant scrolling and jumping on screen makes me QUEASY!! Ugh, I can't look at it, and I can't stay here if they don't give us a way to override it or stop it. I loved picking fave FF posts and tracking the whole conversation and linking back to it, but haven't figured out how to do that yet.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Found the pause button - thanks, folks. That is (shall we say) not intuitive?
- Patricia F. Anderson
Robert, they might want to create an option for people who don't want to express there info on "how many people they follow/subscribe to" and "how many people follow/subscirbe to them".
- Michael Forian
A big step backward. They removed features I rely on (imaginary friends, the feed icons), made the UI generally more obtuse, and failed to add any features I particularly want. Real time update is particularly awful: a nice gimmick for ~30 seconds, until you realize that in a feed with a slow update rate it makes no difference, and in a feed with a fast update rate it make the page unreadable, and forces you to pause the stream, putting you right back into non-real time, but with extra effort required.
- David Gaw
give me icons please
- Rubin
joshua hatfield: I just installed the script for your background, definitely an improvement over the default gray. Thanks
- Sharon McPherson
The name SUCKS. Really. Twitter wins hands down. Ever read Jack Trout on Positioning?
- ThinkEzy
I just Wordled this thread to visualize the comments. http://www.wordle.net/gallery...
- Andrew Smith
major suckage. to use a profession term.
- michelle lamar
and where are all my friends? Can't see the friends. Grrr.
- michelle lamar
michelle, do you have a friend list in place? if not, make one. (go to friends and start picking 'em out to put on the list...)
- Karoli
Not working from FB feeds... Not mine... Not yet...
- derek Bee
I think this thread sucks, OP and all 254 previous comments.
- ianf ⌘
Old ff didn't suck & neither does the new - this thread alone provides a great example of why I love ff in ways I'll never love Twitter
- Forrest Cox
Yeah, kinda, because some things are harder or impossible for me to do now, but some things are way cooler. The concept of real time is important and I'm glad they're going for it. I'll deal. I'm here, aren't I?
- Laura Norvig
I'm not using #FriendFeed so much now - without 'imginary friend' feature. Going back to Tweetdeck and others to group new twitter only follows
- Julian Edward
it's really slick.
- Aldrin Calimlim
I can't quite imagine reason that #imaginaryfriend taken out - unless friendfeed aiming to be alternative to twitter ? surely not. Universality suits friendfeed Perhaps it is to do with data volume and the marketing effectiveness of specific data flows. Would love to know more. In meantime I'm going back to Tweetdeck and looking for a web alternative to grouping twitter friends.
- Julian Edward
well - Tweetdeck still too slow and unstable! Surprised by that after all this time. Seesmic a little slow too but beta.
- Julian Edward
Poor layout, twitter-like, and I hate twitter
- Daniele S.
It's OK. I prefer the layout to the old FF but the old version felt more 'friendly'. Disagree about Twitter btw. I love it. Its simplicity, you could say its limitations are what i like about it. Sometimes FF overwhelms me and i when i log on feel like someone who's just arrived at some kind of high-powered party, i.e. an outsider. I never get that with Twitter: it always feels like 'mine'.
- Eyoki
Friendfeed has been down for sometime now and not working at all
- Calming Sounds
It has to auto refresh rss/feed...
- Rahul Pal
REPORT: Toyota claims 40,000 pre-orders for new Prius - http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009...
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I still have one on order. The dealer I put my order into says they already have about 15 sold. Dealers in Silicon Valley have more than that sold already.
- Robert Scoble
from Bookmarklet
though test drive kind of won me over, hatchback is holding me back. If only there was an option to choose from...
- Moushumi Kabir
proof that you can sell fuel-efficient cars in the US. too bad the US automakers can't seem to get it right.
- MikeAmundsen
Moushumi: I bought it without even seeing the new version. The reviews are saying the 2010 is a lot better than the 2009. Mike: true, I am buying this because the reviewers said they were getting more than 50 mpg.
- Robert Scoble
What's wrong with US automakers is the same thing that's wrong with US consumption habits; excess.
- Colin Anawaty
You crazy Americans, in Europe and Brazil everyone gets 50mpg from any car - it's called Diesel ! Small cars like the VW fox multi fuel get 70mpg with highway driving and no extra weight. Plus you can run it on regular oil diesel, bio diesel or any mixture of the 2.
- Adrian
Diesel is fun, but won't survive California's smog laws. Most of Europe doesn't have the population density and smog problems of, say, Los Angeles. I wish more diesel would be brought in here, though.
- Robert Scoble
Not entirely true on the diesel. The clean diesel technology that Honda and others are coming out with supposedly soon will pass Cali smog from what I understand.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
"Clean" is a relative term with diesel (and all other fossil fuels). None of them are "clean", they are only "cleaner" than previous incarnations. I'd love to see some more electric hybrids though, with the only purpose of the combustion engine being to recharge the batteries. Electric is the way to go unless someone can determine a more efficient and safe way of extracting and storing hydrogen.
- xero
One reason I like hybrids is that they are totally silent when sitting in traffic. Since I work in the Bay Area and often have to sit in traffic this is a huge benefit to me.
- Robert Scoble
Clean enough to pass California emissions is pretty damn clean.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
I am not sure electric vehicles are all that "clean" either considering how much is electricity currently generated by burning coal and wasted in transmission. The way to go is for more people to walk, bicycle and use public transit and for there to be less people.
- Brian Sullivan
congrats for adding the green avatar again I love it
- Loic Le Meur
Brian: none of those are an option for me, unfortunately.
- Robert Scoble
Why not Robert?
- Brian Sullivan
Alex: It's not "clean" until you're willing to suck on an exhaust pipe.
- xero
Brian: I drive about 400 miles a week. Often with heavy camera equipment. Or passengers. No public transportation nearby worth a damn. I am buying a bike, but that's totally for exercise, not to actually get anywhere.
- Robert Scoble
(I live in Half Moon Bay, which doesn't have much public transporation other than a bus line, which doesn't come near my house and even if I could get to it it's not usable for my work).
- Robert Scoble
Adrian: stick on topic. Post that crap somewhere else (I deleted it).
- Robert Scoble
Brian: Public transit, bicycling, and walking do not meet most people's needs. We know of viable and improving clean energy production methods. "Dirty" energy production for the infrastructure can give way to "clean" energy production much easier than public transit can be built to reach every dirt road in America.
- xero
But Robert living in Half Moon Bay was a choice you made. At this point you may be stuck with it I realize, but I think we as a society are going to have to find a way to make choices that allow or force more efficient use of energy.
- Brian Sullivan
Robert: as much as I have to agree that Adrian's comment was not on topic, it is still good to look at both sides of the story. I met with the Leader of the Green Party of Canada and she even admitted that some of the scientific facts that back Greenhouse effect are flawed. Let's keep an open mind :)
- Michael Forian
Brian, you can't put the genie back in the bottle. We can't unlearn to use the auto anymore than you can get off the internet. What's next? Telling people to stop eating burritos because they cause us to produce too much methane?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
If you need cars passing the Cali smog laws... shouldn't you be asking why there is smog..it can't be all down to cars.. there is a lot of bullshit spouted in the name of "green" :o).
- Rob Sellen :o)
Alex -- I don't we think can stop using personal transport/cars but we can make personal and societal choices that mean that we need them less.
- Brian Sullivan
Face it, the car isn't going anywhere, the world needs the freedom it provides. The best we can do is make it have less impact on the planet. On the subtopic though -- if you're going to talk about Global Warming, then please separate the topics of Global Warming and Greenhouse Effect. Global Warming is an accepted fact now, but whether or not it is caused by a man-made Greenhouse Effect is still debatable.
- xero
hybrids are awful...you have to carry two motors. better get a clean diesel with smart systems.
- Chris Hofmann
What people don't understand is the debate is about a 'run away' greenhouse effect where more co2 = more heating = more co2 until there is catastrophe. Increasing and decreasing temperature followed by increasing and decreasing co2 is normal. It is a fact that earth has been hotter and colder than it is now. It is a fact that earth has more ice on the poles now than average and that the south pole has 43% more ice and is 1 degree cooler now than in 1980. Al Gore did not explain all the detail.
- Adrian
diesel right now; natural gas real soon; electric as soon as possible. no need to wait. tech is all there.
- MikeAmundsen
On a good hybrid, you're actually carrying 5 motors, not 2. However, when the non-electric motor is designed to ONLY charge the batteries, then it can be much smaller, much lighter, more efficient, easier to swap, easier to maintain, and the overall weight goes down. Plus you have more room for passengers, cargo, and safety features.
- xero
Chris: the thing about hybrids, though, is none of the motors is working in traffic. So, if you commute an hour every day, while spending 15 minutes standing still a hybrid is a LOT better than a diesel.
- Robert Scoble
The hybrid style of the Prius, using rare earth magnets, is not the most efficient type of hybrid, but it makes regenerative braking easy to engineer.
- Robert Hafer
wow, awesome customer demand - nice to hear so much support for hybrids!
- Susan Beebe
bmw has a system now that lets you turn of the motor with the press of a button (and also back on instantly) people will need time to adapt to that but its not a habit that can be done only with hybrids
- Chris Hofmann
It's illegal to use such a feature on the highway in California, Chris.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Chris: I have a BMW. That is totally annoying. And, doing it automatically is far more accurate. My gas engine only runs when needed, not all the time. My BMW, which is a far smaller car than our Highlander, gets worse mileage and I have the best mileage BMW they make.
- Robert Scoble
Correction, Robert. It's the best mileage BMW they make for the US market. There's a turbo diesel 1 series for Europe that gets in the 30+ mpg range.
- The original Kevin
Kevin: true.
- Robert Scoble
Make that 59 mpg. Here it is: http://blog.wired.com/cars... If they sold this car in the US I would buy it tomorrow.
- The original Kevin
I wonder if some dealers will charge above MSRP to pre-order?It happens with high demand luxury autos frequently.
- Steve Levin
Robert: Do you still have your Aura? I live in Houston where 90% of the population drives Hummers (okay that's a mild exaggeration but you get the idea). And admittedly I have 3 cars, a Mercedes SL 500, A Mitsubishi Montero Sport, and a Saturn L300. All of which guzzle gas. And I drive around 3-5 hours a day (most days). I'd love a Prius. I'd save a fortune and alleviate some of my environmental guilt.
- Erica OGrady
Erica; Nope, got rid of the Aura. It got less mileage than the BMW and the BMW is a lot more fun to drive although I'll probably be selling that to Louis Gray soon.
- Robert Scoble
You can call me anytime at +1-425-205-1921
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Really should've used 867-5309 there... Just for the humor factor.
- FFing Enigma
Robert, do you use Skype?
- Alp
How many random calls do you get, Robert? Do random people call you just to chat?
- dpurrington
Not many random calls at all. Maybe one a week, if that. Alp: yup, I'm on Skype.
- Robert Scoble
I tried this out the other weekend - and he really does answer :)
- Patrick Jordan
Amazing that you post that number everywhere. Got me to open my phone number list @ Facebook again.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
So in America you pay to receive phone calls and SMS messages... I'm surprised you'd still publish the number :) I don't mind mine being published, since in Malaysia, receiving calls/SMS is free!
- Colin Charles
from twhirl
Paying to receive calls is a bit backwards. I guess it gives you intensive to be less polite to sales people though.
- Ben
Ben: I don't take calls from blocked caller ID numbers, so that blocks most sales people. I usually hang up on the others after explaining I'm not interested.
- Robert Scoble
Alas, I have discovered that some people show up with blocked caller ID numbers through no fault of their own. So ignoring such calls isn't an option for me.
- Zian Choy
I never answer blocked calls either. that's dangerous. I've been hanging out with Robert many times and the phone rings and he really does answer it, almost every time if he can.
- Thomas Hawk
reminds me back when steve wozniak used to have his number out there -minus the caller id screening.
- sɹǝɥʇɐǝɟʞɔɐןq
Why do calls come up as 'blocked' on the iPhone even if you haven't blocked them? My mother in the UK comes up as blocked and that's a real pain so have to answer the calls in case she has an emergency :(
- Sally Church
If I ever need an expert I'll be sure to give you a call...or if I need a place to crash. :P
- Mathew™ aka Youngblood
Sally: I always assumed that meant they asked the phone company to block caller ID.
- Robert Scoble
Is Google Talk out yet? Man this is so much better than twitter.
- tojfs7931
So if I send an SMS to you guys in the US, you have to pay to recieve it?
- Johnny
Yes.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
................................ OK.
- Johnny
yea... exactly
- Susan Beebe
Microsoft Breaks Up Its Live Labs Group (Joseph Tartakoff/paidContent.org) - http://www.techmeme.com/090409...
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I don't care if you fake follow me. I don't define myself by who follows me, but I define myself by who +I+ follow! I follow smart people who teach me things and put interesting stuff in my view. If you stop, or prove to be a jerk or a troll, then I'll just unsubscribe.
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All I can say to that is, you better enjoy a lot of good German brews while you're there. It's non-sequitor, and that is what you should expect from me.
- Pete D
Wait. Isn't Robert Scoble just Alex Scoble's older brother?
- Akiva
Pete, the correct spelling is "Mississippi." And Robert, "The Metro" and "Take My Breath Away" are really good songs. And I think you'd agree that the content that you obtain from your subscribees is more important than your subscribee count. It's a content game, not a numbers game.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
Akiva: yup, Alex is my younger brother. You can't really blame him for how he is. I used to beat him up. Of course, he gave me my issues with authority. He told mom. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Pete: Rocky already found a bar that has hundreds of beers. I have a feeling we'll be seen there once or twice between now and Sunday.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, he seems to be doing all right so far!
- Akiva
Great example of being quality-centered instead of market-centered... do what you love and a market will find you...
- Justin Long
@Akiva, yeah, robert scoble uses his last name to get by on alex's gig.
- Morgan Warstler
Akiva- You are the man...that's the funniest stuff I've seen since the whole Korn of the Blog thing.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
[courtsies]
- Akiva
@Pete - I just want you to know that your non sequitur above ended up inspiring dozens of non sequiturs on FriendFeed this evening. I hope you're Melvin about that.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
LOL@Akiva!!!!
- Rah-PM 2012
That's one of the many things I like about FriendFeed: how many people follow you isn't displayed at the top level. I hope that doesn't change. I think a lot of people on Twitter (and other social networks) only obsess over their followers/friends just because everyone else can see it. I also think that's why a lot of people don't like FriendFeed... you've got to give substance to get substance.
- Paul Reynolds
@Ontario I've stopped shaking my fist, just so you know.
- Pete D
Agreed - I don't think I'll ever "fake follow". I'd rather just unsubscribe - those I follow I try to pay attention to.
- Jesse Stay
How does one 'fake follow' a person? Is it hard? Is it fun? Can I do it?
- Michael Moran
I agree with you Robert as I don't see any valid reason for me as an individual to fake follow anyone!
- Joe Dawson
Yeah @robert, how or whats "fake follow" ?
- Arjun
Agree on this, though I think from a feature perspective it's a smart one!
- Vinodh Nandakumar
That's my take on it 100%
- JP Holecka - Jaypiddy
NEW (February 25): Of course two weeks ago I started auto following again. Why? Cause Direct Messaging on Twitter is broken. But here on friendfeed I have a different philosophy. I am using lists to follow specific people and segregate those out from other people. So I can keep the geeks who talk tech separate from my brother, for instance.
- Robert Scoble
That said, I assume everyone is smart until they prove otherwise. :-)
- Robert Scoble
i just wish people would stop talking about following in general :P
- Terry O'Fee
This would have more credibility now Robert if you protested the capping of manual follows at 2000 until you get followers of that number and can move on now. You got to autofollow with abandon; today normal people are capped on manual follows. Unfair.
- Prokofy Neva
Holy hell, this thread is 6 months old!
- coldbrew
Who's this Goon posing as you? http://friendfeed.com/e... imitation is the finest form of flattery?
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
I would agree with Garin, followers/following is not important, but discussion is. BTW, Loic is very good a starting this type of arguments (must be his French side).
- Jeremy Chone
dont worry, matt. there's about five or six conversations of the same discussion now.
- Terry O'Fee
lol - I really enjoy your posts and convo - I learn many things - and thanks for the laughs too : )
- Mark Harai
I'd respond to this thread but necro-posting creates zombie threads and zombie threads eat Brrraaaiiinnnnsss! :P
- MarkCarras
Robert you have alot to teach and you seem teachable also-sign of a good journalist.
- earlewallace
LOL
- Terry O'Fee
lol
- Arjun
louisgray.com: Let the FriendFeed Data Mining Begin In Earnest - http://www.louisgray.com/live...
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"Today, FriendFeed delivered the popularity end of the search database, and people are already diving into the data to see what they can find. For example: If you search for entries that have both 100 comments and 100 likes: There are 11 total entries. The first ever was when we announced the birth of our twins."
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Can't wait to play around with this API!
- Ben Hedrington
I want the real time or Time/Date filters. This is the "swarm notification system".
- Brian Roy
Aaww the first 100c/l thread on Friendfeed was for Louis' twins!!! How very fitting!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Roundup of impressions & links from following inaugural via twitter (expanded version of my feed for today): http://radar.oreilly.com/2009...
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