Just talked with Scoble for an hour on the way to SFO. Man I love talking with him. Neither of us like white papers, we like software you can use. I asked if he knows how to get a permalink to a message on FriendFeed. He says you click on the datestamp. Sure enough, it works! He says you can 2click it for a fun trick too. I haven't tried that yet.
I would recommend they use the purple hashmark as the permalink symbol. Pretty much the standard in the blogging world (which is where permalinks come from, btw). I use a gif for the permalinks on scripting.com. http://www.scripting.com/images...
- Dave Winer
Cristo - I believe Dave was referring to Robert Scoble @Scobleizer, Alex's brother LOL
- Susan Beebe
2clicking the datestamp pops up the post in it's own window ..pretty sweet.
- John Blanton
I must not have my browser set up to recognize the diff. between the one-click and the texas 2 click.
- beersage
i like alex too - everytime we talk its great - same experience you mention!
- Allen Stern
Timestamp! Brilliant! I never knew until now.
- Keith Bourgoin
You should check out http://www.tweets2mail.com if you're interested as well, a service to backup your tweets (as well as friends), replies, direct messages, and mentions to your email/gmail.
- NerdyHearn
all that the second click is doing is adding a ?embed=1 to the end of the permalink... and I'm VERY surprised that Dave did not know about this since it was heavily discussed during live chats attached to the Gillmor Gang and TWiT Live streams...
- Chris Heath
You learn something almost every day from Scoble. Today, two things, the timestamp click AND the awesome 2click! Thankyouverymuch!
- Mark Edwards
I am sorry, but what's 2click here. I am sure I am missing something obvious?
- Anand Sharma
@Anand - single click the date stamp to go to the permalink version of the post. Double click it, to open it in its own window.
- Rick Cogley
+1 what Chris Heath said. I thought this was an old thread or something. Leo Laporte has been talking about this clicking the timestamp thing for at least 3 months.
- Adam Turetzky
double-clicking the datestamp doesn't do anything for me. Never has. Must be a firefox/ubuntu thing.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
I was looking for this for a long time.. Robert knows everything about FF ;)
- Jacque
What's SFO? ahh the airport, any good trips for you gents planned?
- Mark Essel
wow thats cool so now i can embed a conversation Thanks a million!
- Robert Higgins
Good Lord! This was news to you folks? FriendFeed much?
- Christopher Harley
Yeah. FFundercats talked about this a long time ago.
- Rochelle
Dave, and any permalink aficionados out there: individual *comments* are reference-able too, but there's no UI exposed, so I wrote a user script (greasemonkey/greasekit) to make it accessible: http://friendfeed.com/friendf... Cheers!
- Micah Wittman
Wait until we talk about double clicking on hide! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Guys 2Click != DoubleClick instead 2Click=Click once + wait + Click the timestamp again, Result = new window with real time chat.... COOOOL
- Amit Nangare
What Amit said. And one benefit of either the first or the second click is that it adds a comment window at the bottom.
- Laura Norvig
wow i didn't know it was clickable ..
- Onur Gündüz
Awesome, I always wondered how to get a permalink! Thanks Dave!
- Mark Layton
Wow, I'm surprised people didn't know this. However, I'm kind of a friendfeed addict. It's a bit of a problem that so many awesome features of the UI are subtly "hidden". It keeps the interface clean, but it keeps newbies out of the loop and scratching their heads.
- Laura Norvig
Wow. Thanks! How is that possible that so cool features are, not hidden, but, well... not made visible? As a wise guy said once : "a feature that is not accessible could as well not exist".(I know it sucks, but it sounds so much cooler when you say it in french)
- Zackatoustra
One upshot of this election is that I'm going to study up on socialism. I want to be well versed enough that when some under-informed conservative uses "socialist" as an all purpose reflexive pejorative to anything s/he doesn't like, I want to be able to school them with Sheer Fucking Truth.
No, I've never read anything by Zinn. I'll add that to the list. I'm sure that will put me on a watchlist somewhere.
- Dave Slusher
Communism and socialism are not the same thing in any case. Surely, actions that work are more important than labels, and merely ideological ones at that.
- Ian May
My main thing is that I want to be able to recite some chapter and verse to point out why people are wrong. I already know it is intellectual laziness of the worst kind to call borderline right-winger Obama socialist, I just don't have the underpinnings to really dial in why.
- Dave Slusher
@Dave: because labels are just plain wrong. there's no such thing as "A Socialist". it's too vague and generalizing. besides, this country already has socialist policies (kickbacks to farmers for destroying crops, medicare, welfare, etc). the best response is getting the nutjob to specifically identify the issue they have, and deal with the term "socialist" the way someone deals with racism or other generalisms...
- Jeremy Toeman
What I love is the bailing out bonds from our collective taxes is not considered socialist, but opening up the government worker's health insurance plan to the general public, if the citizen wants it (not required) *is* socialist. Seems contradictory, no?
- anna sauce
If you want to understand socialism, read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek.
- Steve Olson
Most sane people would consider Obama centrist, or center-left at the most.
- Victor Ganata
I imagine Sheer Fucking Truth will at worst only hobble them a little. It sure as hell won't stop them.
- Victor Ganata
In comparison to the European spectrum, Obama is slightly right of center. Which makes him very Left in the USA, I guess.
- Bora Zivkovic
As a European I agree with Bora. The Dems are definitely right of centre.
- Sally Church
Note I say "borderline" and people think I say "way on the other side". Nuance, people! Always accepts right wing frames, willing to mix church and state, support for civil rights fight tapers off at the gay boundary, weak on health care, weak on FISA and fighting for civil liberties. I want to hear specifics on restoring presidency to pre-Bush/Cheney operation as 1 of 3 branches of balanced powers.
- Dave Slusher
...which makes Repubs so far Right they fall off the coordinate system...
- Bora Zivkovic
Yes, Dave, I'm sorry if I made it sound like you said "far right", I wanted to hear why you thought that...
- Alex Scoble
The sad truth is as much loathing as I have for his results, Ralph Nader was mostly right in 2000. Our left wing is still corporatist to an alarming degree. He was dead wrong that Gore was indistinguishable from Bush but in the larger sense, both Dem and GOP are covered in the lint from being in the same pockets.
- Dave Slusher
Yeah, that's why I like Obama more than Hillary...Hillary was way deep in the corporate pockets and Obama seems a lot less so, but you know he still is as that's what it takes to win an election these days, I think.
- Alex Scoble
Issues that are important to me: progressive taxation; universal health care; universal civil liberties; restoring balance of governmental powers; withdrawal from Iraq; reducing corporate control of government; restoring anti-trust laws; rolling back media consolidations; fixing crooked voting machines; reducing the power of the prison-industrial complex; restoring habeas corpus and eminent domain to pre-Bush/Cheney era status
- Dave Slusher
Those are all good, but what about restoring our place as a leader in K-12 education?
- Alex Scoble
Only so much room in the box, list not comprehensive. Yes on that, no on gutting science education because it offends some people's faith in Jesus. No on commingling religion and government. Yes on diplomacy above military intervention. Yes on rebuilding New Orleans before fucking Baghdad and fixing our bridges and canals, et al right at home. Yes on reducing poverty and reducing income disparity. Yes on RESTORING THE GI BILL which led to MUCH WEALTH CREATION in the 50s and 60s!
- Dave Slusher
Yes on alternative energy which will CREATE MUCH NEW WEALTH! Yes on reducing farm subsidies, on subsidizing industrial farms over the family farms, on making unhealthy food cheaper than healthy. No on letting companies externalize their costs to the public while keeping their profits private. That goes 10X for the bailouts. Not only do I want golden parachutes stripped, I want to see fraudster CEOs frogmarched to jail.
- Dave Slusher
I get a thrill when Mona goes ALL CAPS :-)
- Majento
I get excited about Mona, Duncan, and you Robert, and Chris Pirillo and... I can't lie, I get excited when anyone likes/comments on my stuff. It's nice to 1) have your contributions validated and 2) make a connection with other people. It seems especially cool when you know those people from outside the context of FriendFeed (because they have some degree of fame on the web or even TV) or they are a star here in their own right.
- Her Lindsay-ness
Morgan: you aim your iphone at something, like the Statue of Liberty, and it shows you notes, audio recordings, and other media files (they call them tags) on top of the video of the Statue of Liberty. Very futuristic. But you gotta see it to really get why it was a great demo. Might not be a great product, though. We've got to have it to play with it to decide that.
- Robert Scoble
who cares about new ideas. i like it that people are acting on ideas we have already had but nobody has actually made happen yet. +1 google
- Tyler Gillies
Dave this is a beta release, it isn't even at Version 1.0 yet. I'm sure Firefox 1 or IE 1 were not feature rich
- MarkFromIreland
I was thinking in terms of AOL.
- Paul
from twhirl
If you read the comic, they were more worried about memory/performance than features. This is meant to be an app platform.
- Brad Nickel
And if stability and performance are delivered, then I am a happy happy customer!
- Brad Nickel
I thought being able to drag a tab out and back in again was interesting (don't know why I would do it, but interesting)
- JSNFLMNG
all the new ideas are working behind the scenes. At least that's what the comic told me. :)
- Rahul Das
When will Firefox assimilate all of the goodness contained in Chrome?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Dave just loves to be a negative nancy. Chrome is intended to be evolutionary, not revolutionary. I'm loving how responsive the browser is.
- Evan Sims
Says the guy who's built what, FlickrFan? More evidence of how out-of-touch Winer is with technology.
- abacab
You're all making excuses -- I'm looking for some EXCITEMENT -- not things that should be exciting, or would be exciting if I understood them, but things that actually are exciting -- you know -- like the web was when it first came out.
- Dave Winer
You mean, like RSS, Dave? OMG, that was HAWT. Whoever came up with that is a fucking GENIUS.
- abacab
So Dave, you are unsatisfied, I am satisfied and abacab is just mean. By the way abacab, ever heard of RSS?
- Brad Nickel
Heh. Pretty sure this abacadab idiot is actually a robot, a Turing Machine, impersonating an asshole, and doing a pretty damned good job! Anyway, I hope Google comes up with something interesting, for now no reason to switch from Firefox.
- Dave Winer
I do agree with Dave on this. Google, once a trend-setter, now looks more like a trend-follower. IMO this is part of lifecycle of any company, even what many thought was one of the most innovative companies. They took many already ideas and redndered them slick, neat, slightly different here and there and a little bit faster. Then they attached Google name to it and here it goes with all the fuss and buzz that the Google brand brings about!
- Hayk H.
Dave: Chrome is to browsing what Twitter was to blogging. Twitter didn't bring anything new either. Just forced us to blog 140 characters at a time, if you look at it the right way. Chrome has much cleaner UI and is much faster in my first hours of tests.
- Robert Scoble
so a lower memory footprint and faster response times aren't exciting? man. I wish I lived in a world with hardware that was so fast that everything was already awesome when it comes to browser speed and memory usage.
- Jason B.
I'm totally loving Chrome - once it gets beefed up with my favorite plugins it'll become my default browser.
- Internet's Tad
New ideas are nice and all so long as they are good but if old ideas are not broken then there's no need to fix them.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe we should give Google time. They probably will add more things to it. It does look like any other browser, but it is fast.
- Mol, Time Warping
Yeah, it's totally dull. Blazingly fast, simple, and stable. How boring. (Wait, you said *Microsoft*? Sure that's the right metaphor?)
- Peter Kirn
from twhirl
disagree, task manager in browser is huge. Now I can kill pesky tabs without losing all other tabs
- sean percival
Was search original? No! Was Adsense original? No! Was gmail original? No! But they just did it better. The same with Chrome. They just do it better!
- Gavin
It's dull as a browser but potentially exciting as a cross device application platform. All the typical built-in browser goodness will be in applications run like any other program. What's under the hood is hidden, but is what we should be looking at.
- Todd Hoff
@Robert Scoble - chrome does have a cleaner UI than IE/FF - but i still think the Safari UI is a nicer experience.
- Steven Livingstone-Pérez
from twhirl
very fast... also 10tabs in FF was 213mb, with 10 seperate chrome instances it was 243mb.. but then when I close one, I get it all back.
- Jez Arnold
@Steven: Too bad that Safari will never be ported over to Linux. But Chrome will be.
- Wizetux
"I don't care if there's one fewer cool feature. I just want this product to be ROCK SOLID" - Page 11 - Google Chrome Book. http://www.google.com/googleb...
- RAD Moose
you seemed to have completelly missed the point in Chrome
- HokieGeek
from twhirl
"Desktops CTL, the same cats who brought us the 2go PC laptop , are apparently working up an equally cheap and not-exactly-flashy nettop PC. "
- tech.newsjunk.com
I look at it like this: if I were a carpenter, surely I would talk about something other than hammers and nails all day long. Perhaps I'd talk about the house I'm building, the new carpentry regulations, how my boss is a butt munch or the architect is an asshat. Whatever, but it would involve more than going on ad nauseum about the tools I use.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Robert, don't get me started on Washing Machines. The Japanese kick our ass. The machines have fuzzy logic built in so that you put in your clothing and soap and press start. It figures out the rest. The same with dryers. The japanese have done a lot of this kind of stuff with all sorts of machinery.
- Rob Diana
Ontario: you get a clean rubber band.
- Robert Scoble
ishak - it's not that people aren't writing good stuff about it. I benefit from learning about what's in the new FriendFeed Beta and changes to other Web 2.0 services. But after the bigger blogs write about it... they usually cover it pretty damned well. Why add to the noise?
- Mark Dykeman
Robert: actually, I'm interested in dryers - I think we need a new one. Thks.
- Mark Dykeman
CeeBee - I responded on Twitter, but I'll just state my preference for paper clips and those bad@ass bigger ones here.
- Mark Dykeman
Shey: none of us can help ourselves about these services. Look at this comment stream as an example!
- Mark Dykeman
lol. i got it. to answer the question, i guess some people are genuinely interested in discussing these services and/or issues that pertain to them, but they easily take on a life of their own a lot of the time, which kind of contributes to another group of people going against the grain and wanting to have little to do with these services or discussions. it's like beating a dead horse.
- Cee Bee
We continue contributing because not everyone follows the same info source. I re-share because it's helpful to my network.
- Glenn Batuyong
Twitter and FriendFeed need the noise to work. You have to feed the seven-headed hydra or it will eat you.
- Mike Seidle
Glenn: resharing... you've got a good point there and I get that. it does get a bit noisy when audiences overlap, but if you're part of a group that isn't so familiar with the technologies, then your input can be very valuable to them. Fair point.
- Mark Dykeman
@indymike - fear the 7 headed hydra, more fearsome than 3 headed Cerebus!
- Mark Dykeman
It's the one thing WE KNOW we all have in common. ;)
- teh Dork Knight
@tehkenny - good point about things in common.... who are you again? ;)
- Mark Dykeman
you should just write about what you feel like. Press is a self-correcting mechanism; people listen to what/who matters most, and hopefully the object of your writing listens as well and addresses your complaints. But neither should ever to prevent you from writing what YOU want to write about.
- Vincent van Wylick
@Vincent - yes, and I'm not as interested in these topics as I used to be, so until I find the right opportunity or slant, I probably won't write about them.
- Mark Dykeman
@tehkenny - sounds like a Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference to me!
- Mark Dykeman
That's part of switching from Stage 2 to Stage 3 of an early adopter. Others will continue to fly the flag while you can just enjoy using the service.
- Louis Gray
finally one of the sharing and/or micromedia sites got the simple group thing right - this is working well for us with the Social Media Club room which replaced our mailing list - it is also working pretty well for a research project at my agency we just started yesterday
- Chris Heuer
I have added the Friendfeed app to my Facebook profile. I love how I can share something from my Google Reader, then it shows up on Friendfeed, Facebook, Blog Catalog, MyBlogLog, etc. I can have activity in many places with one click!
- Mary-Lynn
can i just pop in here? it's one thing to have us un(der)informed masses gabbing about breaking news, but when people post breaking news, there's always that huge gap of space while others wait for verification. if there were credentialed people on seesmic verifying news, that lapse when things are urgent won't happen.
- Anika
Gregory and Faboo Mama, thanks, interesting, could you also tell me how you would see it. Read: what would you do if you were in my shoes to make it happen?
- Loic Le Meur
whether you hire staff or just try to get users credentialed, that's up to you. but across all subject matter, it would be nice to have an "authority" on there. so say for politics, you should have tried to credentialed some people for the DNC and RNC conventions. real time conversations with delegates, politicians and all that stuff. locally, i use seesmic to get a take on angelenos state of mind. i am going to interview local politicians via seesmic that sort of stuff.
- Anika
but anything your 'citizen journalists' create can be edited in your office and posted like seesmix or newspop. imo, creating this under newspop would give you a lot more content from places that rachael can't get to.
- Anika
Agree with Faboo Mama. kind of a Mahalo-like news emission. Also, if there would be a way for users to specify keywords like "business," "politics" etc which would become topics of those news emissions.. like watch-words when they pop-up in some news or media outlet, they are somehow vblogged by volunteer Seesmic users or dedicated stuff and put on Seesmic.
- Hayk H.
Loic talk to David C of SPot.us he heads up a crowd sourcing journalist effort
- Fred Grott
Hi Loic, does moving from Paris to SF really help in your web venture in your opinion? .. just curious..
- Mark L
from twhirl
sounds a bit controlled. I don't like this newsroom idea even though I know it will make you a lot of money Loic. It has too much pretension towards interactivity when the reality is television on demand. On a theoretical playing field this is the lowest common denominator... but then again so in porn. Have fun kids!
- Noah David Simon
Faboo and Hayk interesting, would you pay them or just promote them? I don't have an investment budget for that... This business model has been tried by many and failed up to now. Mahalo is a good example (not failed) where everybody is just doing it for fun I guess.
- Loic Le Meur
Why not partner with journalism schools? Also second the motion to talk to digitaldave@twitter (David Cohn)
- Howard Rheingold
Mark, yes, will write a blog post about this soon
- Loic Le Meur
Loic also check out Current.TV - they have user-generated news shows too. An Al Gore company. I can introduce you to the CEO and COO if you are interested
- Chris Saad
I mean that Micro interactions with brands are very powerful tools for marketers to engage with users. Not only News and press release can do but also seesmic release can do.
- Ejang
that's the beauty of it, there's so many people online willing to whore themselves out for a logo behind them, they'll do it for free as long as they get promoted, credentialed and have access to contacts. As Chris said, look at CurrentTV. There's a lot of good content there being generated by users. Granted a lot of those users are film school students, rich kids, or people with gov't backing, but for the most part, the content is good. There's just nothing really "current", nor is there conversation.
- Anika
thank you so much all, I am digesting all your comments please keep them coming!
- Loic Le Meur
i am working on a news information sharing idea and have a site WOT News being finalised, a citizen journalism site so to speak. Would love to have a chat sometime...if you are interested.
- Don
I think you & Pitch Engine could find a way to revolutionize social releases.I was thinking the other day,you'd be a great fit!
- lonnie b hodge
good meme here, investigative journalism is in crisis due to budget crunches
- ishak
from twhirl
Don, would love it. lonnie, will definitely talk to pitch engine
- Loic Le Meur
Loic, do you think about adding a Skype-like calling feat to Seesmic: calling real time/ video conferencing? and surely someone must have mentionned the topical videos. Not only crowd sourcing journalism volunteers - BE sure there are many who would willingly do that off their work and time. Topical videos like social media issues, leadership, how to start a company, etc. IMO there is a HUGE cash-in possibility. Say a video of 5mins feating advice from some VC (?) for 99cents or smth like that?
- Hayk H.
Hayk thank you very very interesting
- Loic Le Meur
Here's the interesting bit for me... Plus and Premium are still 10 cents apart. So the price for Regular has increased 352%, but Plus only 300% and Premium by 274%. Over time, assuming the 10 cent gap is a hard and fast guide to gas stations, it may be more economical even for drivers with boring cars that don't need it to get the highest quality fuel? (In other words, why not have a 30 cent gap between each level?)
- Louis Gray
Not like Baron cares...daddy can just loan him gas money...ooops did I say that?
- Andrew Feinberg
hehe - just rabble rousing... though I'd guess that since he and cheney and rice all came from the oil industry their buddies are pretty happy
- Internet's Tad
Trish: Especially considering profits are going into the pockets of the man on the right. (our right) :)
- Mona Nomura
Bottom-right. I wouldn't doubt bottom-left too.
- ·[▪_▪]·
I just deleted a comment and blocked a person due to being lame with personal attacks esp. that have nothing to do with this article. Its the third person Ive blocked on ff. I also have blocked two people from Twitter. I'm not sure if its the right thing to do, but found myself to be happier not having to be constantly bombarded by them because I dont think they are nice or valid and actually forget about them for long periods of time.
- Andrew Baron
Mattb4rd, sure would be nice if my funds were seeing the kinds if gains big oil are. Besides, there are probably many investors that don't invest in funds that invest in fossil fuel related industries on moral grounds. Similar to not invest in the tobacco industry. Personally, when I invest in energy, I prefer to invest my money in renewable. So I don't own any big oil.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@Andrew I hope I'm not one that you blocked. My link to the Obama / X!a photos is editorial commentary. One thing has nothing to do with the other. It's the same as your photos in my opinion.
- Mattb4rd
@nicerobot Find a new mutual fund or 401K. Mine have averaged better than double digits for decades. Big oil nets around 9%.
- Mattb4rd
Andrew, about the blocking. It's your purgative. My personal opinion is to never delete a comment but blocking persons whose content you have decided you never want to see is completely reasonable.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Andrew: life is too short to deal with jerks :)
- Mona Nomura
Are you saying 16 years of inflation should lead to a 4x multiplier?
- Jason Carreira
I'm talking about these kinds of percentages: "Exxon Rides Oil and Gas Prices to 36% Gain in Profit" http://www.nytimes.com/2006... "reported a 33 percent gain in second-quarter profit" "Profit from oil and gas sales climbed 68 percent to $10 billion" http://www.app.com/apps... Yet the stock prices are not reflecting these same percentages.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@nicerobot that's because their profit margin is the same. Their costs have gone up that much as well.
- Jason Carreira
@nicerobot The root of the "evil big oil" argument is that only a few elites benefit from gains. My take is that you and I are the beneficiaries of such a "windfall" and that's not a bad thing. "You and I" includes the bafrillion people that are employed by "big oil", their families, and their family's families. More even than you and I, the US Government, the biggest drug dealer on the planet via taxation, is by far the largest beneficiary. The US Government, by the way, is not W and his cronies.
- Mattb4rd
@Matt, yes, I feel so enriched when I fill my car...
- Jason Carreira
A large part of those "costs' are bonuses and salaries of their executives as well as spending to the refineries that they own. You're fooling yourself if you think owning stock in big oil is offsetting gas price increases.
- ·[▪_▪]·
@Jason: Maybe you shouldn't inhale so deeply while pumping gas :)
- Mattb4rd
Have the salaries of _all_ the employees of big oil gone up relative to the price of gas so that the employees are not impacted at all by gas prices? If not, then you're argument fails because it means the employees have essentially taken a pay cut because their own company is costing them more to work for them.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Additionally, by your argument, if I employ lots of people, it doesn't matter how I obtain the money I use to pay them? Anyway, I'm not opposed to companies making a profit as long as they pass it on to shareholders and employees. The reason big oil sucks is because they are _actively_ fighting against moving to renewable energy. That's what's frackin evil!!
- ·[▪_▪]·
@nicerobot. Your honesty is refreshing. The logical fruition of your thought process, as it is outlined here, is that capitalism is evil. I'm about to post some photos of 2 "cappulatte's" I just made. That's more fun to talk about. :)
- Mattb4rd
Capitalism is evil in some regards but I'm not an absolutist so it isn't either-or. Watch a documentary called "The Corporation". I agree with much of what is presented in that documentary. At the same time, capitalism is a wonderful system in many respects. It just isn't suitable for anything requiring compassionate, humane endeavors. If more people were to clearly undersatnd when capitalism works and when it doesn't we could probably solve a huge rift that exists between republicans and democrats.
- ·[▪_▪]·
killer app workaround to lost features... opportunity knocks.
- ishak
from twhirl
I'd much prefer fixing twiirl so that it can open links in a firefox tab on OS X. Twirl is a burden to me until that feature is implemented so I can't use it.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Of course I would do it if Obama wins and I was chosen -- but they'll go for someone with a lot of money. It's not just about who can give a lot of money to politicians, it's that's what people respect in both tech and politics. For education and health, being rich isn't a prerequesite, but for tech it is. They'd go for Gates, and I bet he'd do it. He's still relatively young (he and I are the same age) and it's not a long-term committment, and he'd like it.
- Dave Winer
Wow, Duncan, you are just kissing every ass in Seattle, no?
- Cyndy
Gates as CTO, Winer as deputy, Susan Crawford as counsel.
- Dave Martin
Meg Whitman for CTO, Winer for Miss Congeniality.
- Sprague D
If Dave gets the nod and needs a Minister of Mobility, count me in as interested. :)
- Kevin C. Tofel
Meaning no disrespect to any of them - but on the absurdity scale, this ranks right up there with the Arrington and Scoble suggestions in the other thread.
- Anthony Citrano
Why not having for instance one tech and one business-tech-VCapitalist? Say, Steve Jobs (continous tech innovator) CTO and Michael Moritz from Sequoia Capital as Deputy CTO (someone else from the Midas list)? In this way there will be not only a tech-geeky but a business-tech approach :)
- Hayk H.
WTF is wrong with you? Very disappointed Duncan. @Cyndy told me you were actually technical, so I thought you'd be able to tell the difference between someone who knows tech from someone who knows ego.
- Jason Carreira
In keeping with the the theme of the campaign, sure.
- Russell Holliman
Because this is a ridiculous idea. Dave as CTO? he blocks folks on social sites because he can't stand their politics. He wouldn't last five minutes in DC.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Yes, if we want Epic Fail now Powell the is one cat I would vote for CIO of America..He has everything the career DC'ers hate Class, Honesty, and Integrity
- Fred Grott
Jason: you might look into it. Winer has forgotten more about tech than me AND you put together will ever know.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I agree with you there. Winer isn't easy to get along with if you don't see things the same way he does. That alone would make him a big problem inside government.
- Robert Scoble
the last thing the US needs is a CTO, jesus, next you'll want a VP of Marketing. Dismantle the friggin government. You old men sure have gone establishment. Anyone with faith in government has no real faith in invention or technology, they are playing at the edges.
- Morgan Warstler
Morgan: you are pretty clueless. If you think we can dismantle government I want some of what you are smoking except I am pretty sure it is illegal.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert You maybe... But I'd suggest that remembering tech is more important than forgetting it
- Jason Carreira
I'd work for Dave in this role in a heartbeat.
- jcunwired
Robert, when any barrel of geeks have no libertarian drumbeat, no less-government baseline, that's a macro problem. And If you don't get that, I'm not going to watch your podcast! Now fork over your gmail password.
- Morgan Warstler
Dave hate to break it to you but they'd more likely than not (I think) go with someone who is in government or that type of thing, maybe a military technology expert. And if not they'd go with someone around your age, and very unlikely go with Bill Gates, they will go with a thinker, not a business person so that may give you a chance. But still remember Obama still needs to win and also he needs to fulfill the promises he has made on the campaighn trail. The first is much more likely to happen than the 2nd
- Andrew Fielding
I thought part of the requirement was "works well with others", in which case Winer's definitely not your guy. What an INCREDIBLY stupid idea. His only boss will only ever be himself... It's really best for everyone on all sides.
- abacab
Oh, Wow, you guys crack me up. Are any of you serious? If you are; please take two steps back, turn yourself around, and smack yourself in the head. inability to do so indicates a severe case of taking ones self too seriously. There's medicine for that.
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
@Gina: exactly... I think this little "social media" niche sometimes suffers from a fairly entertaining combination of belly-button-gazing and delusions of grandeur... more on Scoble's thread too .. http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Anthony Citrano
I like Vint Cerf in this role, if he'd take it. Bill Gates not a bad suggestion either, but bet he'll be way too busy in his role giving away his money via his foundation.
- TDavid
Vint Cerf is the best suggestion I've heard so far. Whoever it is should be very familiar with the underpinnings of modern technology (TCP/IP, HTTP, HTML, etc) and not associated with any of the big technology vendors.
- Jason Carreira
WTF? Ok, here's the thing... Robert Scoble is an ok writer, but he's not technical. Someone else on another thread suggested Mike Arrington... Arrington is a former lawyer and now a writer, but again, not technical. What is it with the Social Media community that people can't tell the difference between people who know how to build things and people who comment on things being built?
- Jason Carreira
Kevin, I have the flip question -- I have a Sprint EVDO modem. Can I get a cell phone that uses the same number and account when I'm not using it to connect to the net? I know it's a weird question, but my iPhone is flaking out and I desperately need a cell phone asap.
- Dave Winer
No can do Dave. Sprint (and Verizon) use CDMA technology, not GSM tech like AT&T. That means there's no SIM card tied to your phone number... your DEVICE is tied to the phone number. I.E.: the modem phone number is tied to the modem so that phone number can't be used for a phone while the modem is under contract. :( BTW: not a weird question at all. ;)
- Kevin C. Tofel
I think that you can have a sprint store change the device on the account from the card to a phone, but they will require you to add a voice plan, and might require you to remove the pc card data plan - depends on how smart the CS person is. So frankly while it might be possible technically, the human side would not go along with it. It would be simpler to open a new line with any carrier.
- Royce Mathew
Royce, I don't think that would solve Dave's situation. Unless I'm reading his question wrong, he wants one phone number / account, i.e.: when he's not using the modem (and therefore the phone # tied to it), he wants to get calls on a phone at that same number.
- Kevin C. Tofel
@Nathaniel, excuse me? I'm willing to be all congenial until you start taking "pity" on people for not believing in your superstitions.
- Jason Carreira
@gregory, "pity" is stronger than a smiley...
- Jason Carreira
Using hate sites that use half truths to make attempts at humor didn't tickle my funny bone. The humor could have worked overall, I'm all for poking fun, but to call people racist and gay bashing was just not cool. *hide* and *unsubscribe*
- Jeremy Hall
I'd suggest the LDS members on here refute the substance rather than attack the messenger. For those of us (like myself) who don't know much about LDS writings, it doesn't sound like anyone is refuting the facts about what it says about people with dark skin or only opening the door to non-whites in 1978.
- Jason Carreira
Le sigh, fixing. It's days like these that I wonder why I peeled myself off of the ceiling. Try to make a point and get bullocked by the title. :)
- Steve Spalding
just retweeted the best just retweeted the best strategic roadmap for brands on twitter I've seen so far. strategic roadmap for brands on twitter I've seen so far. I question if brands will need experts to deploy such a strategy. Is this a reverse logistics and customer-driven model? Can startups do this better?
- ishak
from twhirl
"Early stage venture firm Y Combinator, which has funded over a 102 young startups, has “open sourced” the legal documents that they provide to their startups to use as they seek additional funding. The documents were created with their law firm, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati"
- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
Paul Graham is doing a terrific job. FEw days ago, for thr first time, they published a document showing what kind of startup ideas they particularly look for, and now this!!! Cool.
- Hayk H.
I'm mobile, but it's in my Google Reader feed. (I can't display scobleizer.com on Windows Mobile 5 with IE4.) I'll read it in a bit.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
The VP of Programming for Vision Media TV (the purported scammers) brags out loud on his site that he's converted to Christianity and he has degrees in Philosophy and Religion (http://www.matthewmcmahon.com/). Any time some one brags about these things, a douchebag/swindler/filthy politician alert goes off in my head. Perhaps we ought to write to his church, which is listed on his website, to let everyone there know what kind of a person he is.
- Raoul Pop
This game is very common. Every time a breathless mktg pers comes in and says "they want to put us on TV" I ask for how much.
- Brad Nickel
and this is where the blogosphere /EFF MUST Step in and help.. and make a ruckus .. WTH sues a for $15M in puntative and $5M as damage.. that company s/NOW be paying th blogger for all the legal stress she us udnergoing !
- Peter Dawson
And we could just buy stuff from her site: http://www.theokobox.com/. That would make it partially worth it. Contacted a litigator I know to rep her. See if he will for the PR factor.
- Brad Nickel
anybody with more organizational skills than myself want to setup some sort of fund (heck even paypal?). I'd be willing to chip in some $ to help this person...and no offense to the lesser known people on FF, but my comfort level would increase if it was a well known FF'er...
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
I wonder if every blogger that is reading creates a post the rips apart Vision Media TV for unethical practices , would they sue each and every1 of us ?? Call for action here !
- Peter Dawson
Sign me up for the fundraiser. Maybe there should be a blogger charity fund instituted as this kind of persecution occurs more often.
- Kathleen Mazzocco
hahahahahhahahahhahaha!! Akiva, you always make me laugh out loud!!!
- Mona Nomura
that the olympics are pointless & make a great distraction to what is really going on
- sam
from twhirl
...that american media is the pitts. (i've always known that, but the coverage has been really irritating)
- Cee Bee
That watching it at the gym, with the sound off, distracts me from the rather mundane exercise machines I am using.
- Helen Sventitsky
That there are too many new countries this last 12 years since atlanta '96...
- George The Writer
That I'm nowhere near as fit as I think I am. *sigh* On that note, GO AUSSIE! OI OI OIII!!
- Mo Kargas
that there are a freaking lot of people in China. Statistically, they've got at least 2008 people who are just as good or better at whatever you do best, no matter what other country you live in.
- Her Lindsay-ness
that George W. Bush is frigging dorkfish no matter what timezone he's in...
- Shawn L. Morrissey
That ESPN really has to outbid NBC for future Olympics.
- Ontario Emperor
from fftogo
...that people who don't like the Olympics love to shout about it to people who actually do like the Olympics.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That the Chinese will spend 60 million+ on cloud seeding technology to prevent rain on the Opening Ceremony... only to have no threat of rain forecast on the day :)
- Johnny Worthington
That Canada sucks in the Olympics (and yes, I am Canadian) and that China invests more than $600,000 USD per athlete (no wonder so many medals)!
- Michael Forian
...to applaud your friends even when they lose, and your opponents even when they win.
- Roger Benningfield
...that being twice the age of your peers doesn't stop you kicking ass.
- Roger Benningfield
...to be careful about looking too metro when your sport already requires chest-shaving.
- Roger Benningfield
...that even if you finish out of medal contention, you can still be the star of an event if your ex is fucking one of your opponents and spreading naked pictures of you in the press.
- Roger Benningfield
...that 10m Air Pistols is such a lame pseudo-sport that even a Georgian/Russian hug can't save it. Now, if it were a full-on L Word interlude on the grass...? Maybe, but only cause international conflict is so damned sexy.
- Roger Benningfield
Watching the opening ceremonies in a foreign country (I live in the US but was in Japan on vacation) is quite enjoyable.
- Mike Reynolds
Opening ceremonies (less the politics) was actually educational. Hopefully people realize most of these kids have worked all their lives to get there. It's the smiles on their faces that matter. Put the rest of the 'world' on hold. It'll still be here.
- Charlie Anzman
that 6th grade geography needs to be taught every 5 years
- Omar Shahine
Bloggers Are Hard to Please and Hard to Pitch: Some Mistakes in Pitches from Startups | Profy | Internet news and commentary - http://profy.com/2008...
Svetlana: "I have decided to compile my own list of the most common mistakes that startups make when pitching bloggers (or at least what I consider mistakes myself).""
- susan mernit
Susan, thanks for sharing, glad you've found this post worthy enough.
- Svetlana Gladkova
from twhirl
Svetlana, you are welcome; it's a post everyone in @techstars should read.
- susan mernit