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http://twitpic.com/rtw5w - Look what I found in Plano! I had no idea rain could be white colored! :)
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Wow snow. Didn't think you get snow very often..
- Laura Gonzalez
We do get snow in Texas... or ugly, dangerous ice. Just a few days a year. That's why I live DFW. We get seasons even though summer is a little hotter than average.
- Meryl K. Evans
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@andrewghayes Hootsuite now has Facebook and LinkedIn included, so you can schedule updates! @hootsuite rocks!
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RT @AngelaMaiers "What Does Learning Mean to Me?" It's the growing, expanding, struggling, sharing, breath-of-fresh-air 4 me #WDLM2U
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Wow. Google Dashboard gives info on what it has stored for our accounts across 20+ of its products. http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009...
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Quote from conversation: "There is nothing wrong with having a type." "If your type tends be be broken and crazy, there's something wrong."
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AMEN!
- josh neff, geek at large
WORD!
- Kendra <3 Three Lions
Uh oh.
- Derrick
I am just as God made me
- RAPatton
Sadly, that seems to be my type.
- cecily
FTR: I said the second sentence.
- Mary Carmen
Then you are indeed wise, Mary Carmen.
- Pete, Enabling Force
Cecily, that has been my type in the past, but I'm done with that. No more crazy, no more drama for this boy!
- josh neff, geek at large
Wise. Learned my lesson. Fooled one too many times. These are really all the same thing.
- Mary Carmen
Yeah. Wisdom is experience that sticks :)
- Pete, Enabling Force
Crazy people are fun for a few nights but bad for a full life.
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
As I get older my definition of "acceptable crazy" is getting more and more narrow. Right now it seems to be whether or not the dude will go to Sonic at three am in PJs. Either I'm boring as fuck, or my tolerance/patience for the drama llama is at an all time low. I like to think it is the latter.
- Mary Carmen
Depends on what you were doing between 2 and 3 am.
- ♫Geek in the 410♫
Oh, Mo, you know what I was doing. It is a refueling run to Sonic. ;-)
- Mary Carmen
No, i will not leave the house to go to Sonic at 3am.
- DJF
allergic to crazy, drama, and related guises ---->
- Ayşe E.
*fistbumps* Ayse
- Mary Carmen
Crazy attracts crazy, or at least it has in my case. That's why I'm working on de-crazying myself.
- cecily
+100 MC.
- holly
*fistbumps MC*
- Ayşe E.
There are many shades of crazy. Hell, I'm sure I can use it to describe me, but when it is hurtful, destructive, out of control and takes a lot of effort (emotional and physical) to deal with....that is when its a problem. I am all about supporting and helping someone work through it, but they HAVE TO BE WORKING THROUGH IT. Im not down with sticking it out with peeps who enjoy the havoc they reek upon themselves and/or others. I apologize if I offend, but, it is what it is. And it doesn't work for me.
- Mary Carmen
Another awesome thing about being the Mac user in a family of Windows users: I am no longer tech support.
April Russo (app103), Susan Beebe, Thomas Hawk and 19 other people liked this
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- Rochelle
That didn't stop my family. :(
- Spidra Webster
Then they'll just go get macs
- Glenn Slaven
Nah, not these people. They're hardcore.
- Akiva Moskovitz
For the record, I do help where I can but I don't have the intricate knowledge of Vista and Windows 7 required for some of the problems encountered.
- Akiva Moskovitz
lol
- Anna Haro
thanks to my Dad .. I got into Computing in the early 90's ... thanks to a buddy at the firehall .. I use Apple Products .. MBP and a IPhone ... Love it ...
- johnpiercy
Best reason I've heard yet.
- Rodfather
I too am all Mac but they still ask PC questions. Bleh.
- Danny Minick
But it's like being the only Jew in my family of Catholics.
- Christopher Harley
from iPhone
Mac is infiltrating my home. Slowly.
- Josh Haley
Posterous Tip: Turn Posterous tags into autoposted Twitter #hashtags - http://blog.posterous.com/postero...
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Real time Scoble baby news (I will post small stuff here, over next 24 hours as our new baby comes to keep from spamming Twitter):
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We came in this morning for an aversion proceedure (turn the baby into position). They were expecting to induce if they could get him aimed the right way. Five minutes before they were supposed to do the procedure he turned the right way by himself. Then 20 minutes later he turned again. Drat. Anyway, now they are in the process of inducing and watching. Won't know for sure what's going on until later tonight. -
- Robert Scoble
Right now we're just resting and waiting for the inducing agents to start their jobs. It's still possible that we might have to have a caesarian section, because little Ryan isn't in the right position. More probably later this evening, for now I get to geek out while Maryam takes a nap.
- Robert Scoble
Sending lots of beams to Maryam (and you too!) I am out of the loop. I had no idea that the family was growing (and tell M, I'm going to be a grammy come March 1)
- Nancy White
Fingers crossed for a natural delivery... unless Maryam would prefer a c-section ;) Good Luck.
- Travis Koger
What a handsome name you've chosen ;)
- Ryan Whitwam
Robert: I wish you and your wife the safest and best possible birth experience! Here's to a healthy baby boy and Mom!! Keeping you in my thoughts. Leslie
- Leslie Carothers
Congrats, Robert. Can't wait to meet the newest Scoble :-)
- Daniel Brusilovsky
from iPhone
sending good thoughts for the easiest possible delivery, for both Ryan and Maryam - B.L.
- B.L. Ochman
Best wishes, Robert.
- Raju Vegesna
Are his initials really going to be R.S.S.?
- Carlton Prest
Thinking good thoughts for your wife and the baby
- Sherrie Belken
Carlton: yes. His name will be Ryan Soroush Scoble. Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Wishing you both well, hoping it all goes to plan
- Rachel Clarke
Fingers crossed for a smooth delivery and sending congratulations on your new son!
- Jennifer Leggio
All the best, Scoble family! :)
- Micah Wittman
bit of a pretentious name, named after one of the wisest Iranian thinkers of the last century.
- David Lloyd
Good luck to you & yours :)
- Blue_cat_online
Good luck to you both; hope all goes smoothly & swiftly.
- Rachel Luxemburg
Nothing but good and positive wishes to Maryam and you and that RSS will come out the second to prettiest baby ever (naturally ours is the prettiest) *wink*
- Rene Wirtz
David: my other son, Patrick, was named for a saint and Milan was named for one of the best writers ever. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Best wishes, Robert!
- Mike Hussein Cohen
Good luck to Robert and Maryam. A big week ahead.
- Louis Gray
Thanks Louis and Mike.
- Robert Scoble
Robert!!!!! What great news; it will be early. Why did they induce if the due date was the 25th, or was I wrong?
- Francine Hardaway
wishing you the best. we have a girl due in a few months :)
- Stalyn☂
Francine: because hospitals like to schedule babies, is my guess (Sequoia is like a hotel). But he was breech and they wanted to get him into position, now that she's here they are doing the induction thing.
- Robert Scoble
Good wishes to all. I've never met you and even I'm nervous.
- Amyloo
Good luck with everything, Robert!!! Very exciting! I hope everything turns out perfect in the end!!
- Lindsay
Best wishes Scobs! This must be a very exiting day!
- Jadito
All the best, Robert. This is Realtime Scoble Scoop (RSS)!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Good luck, everyone!
- Glen Mistletoe
Good luck, Robert, Maryam, and Baby Scoble!
- Michael R. Bernstein
So the doctor said that Ryan is one of the five most active babies she has seen in her practice which is why they didn't let us go home. Usually babies at this stage stay heads down. Ryan isn't. I think we have a wild one! :-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Congratulation and best wishes!
- Heather Solos
5 is an odd number to recall. Good luck, best wishes.
- Benjamin Taylor
Guarantee he gets a best friend named Adam.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Congratulations and good luck.
- Luiz Fuzaro
So exciting! Congrats, and good luck Robert! Enjoy the geek out time - that's always one of my favorite parts of having a baby. :-)
- Jesse Stay
Very happy for you! Best of luck and hope everyone stays happy and healthy!
- Martha
Robert wishing you and your wife a speedy delivery. May you have a happy, healthy baby.
- Paul Blasman
from iPhone
conggrats!
- Alrady
Congrats Scoble! Wishing you , the wife and baby the best of early life.
- Nakeva Corothers
Best wishes for this exciting event!
- Anne Bouey
Sending good thoughts to your family. Good luck and congrats!
- Alex Hellstrom
from iPod
Congrats and best wishes - Love the name - you must have made Dave Winer's year with that one!
- Steve Lacey
from iPhone
Ahh, so looks like I haven't missed anything Robert as its now morning here...hurrah!
- Sandra Large
Congratulations Robert and Welcome Ryan!
- Martha
Congratulations :) xx
- Joe Dawson
Congrats! Everybody doing ok?
- Patrick Mackaaij
Robert, we're thinking best thoughts for you, Maryam and R.S.S. (cool initials for the new baby!) Congratulations!!!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
David Elks, Daniel Rowley, Bradley Goetsch and 23 other people liked this
Just checked to be sure. 2 dozen cities. That's it so far. What's the holdup?
- rob
Robert, the reason @foursquare is as big as it is, is because of Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
ROFL - it's third life that's all :p
- DC Crowley
@Rob, its a new product. Give it time. @Scoble, 4square is pigggybacking off of Twitter, I doubt that they will overtake the host, even though it will become very popular in urban areas.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Mona: I don't agree. It has very little to do with Twitter. And, anyway, most of the same folks who used Twitter back in 2006 are on it. So, it's tracking Twitter very closely, at least with the early adopter community.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble, but is the appeal as large? Perhaps if they spread it to more platforms, and create a simpler check in process.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Alex: the check in process is pretty nice. When you are in a city that's on the map and when your location is there already. That's the early-adopter problem. We're building out the system for them. Now that they have funding I bet they can get the resources to turn on more cities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - the reason people get so competitive and continuously check in, is because it is on display for all to see on Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Holden: pure adoption, nothing else.
- Robert Scoble
Mona: not true. I haven't sent a single checkin to Twitter. And I LOVE checking in. Very addicted.
- Robert Scoble
My timeline is FILLED with Foursquare smack talk lol.
- Mona Nomura
@Scoble, indeed. If they had more locations already existing, they would double their growth. @Holden, similar concepts. Do something small, and broadcast to a lot of people. @mona my iPhone is constantly spammed.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
@holden, get with it, what decade do you think it is?
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
Holden: Foursquare to get official Windows Mobile app in weeks http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7350
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@mark, dont encourage him.
- Alex Wilhelm (FF BLOWS)
I'm very bullish on Foursquare. It's about as addictive as Twitter and much more compelling than BrightKite. The Twitter connection is not particularly important to me.
- Leo Laporte
I don't get foursquare. But I'm 30something, so I don't think I'm anywhere close to the target demographic, the trendy-hipster-goes-out-every-night-18-20something. For the record, I also don't get people who check in on FS when they arrive at work *each day* (and thankfully, since wising up, I don't get their updates anymore either). My life pretty much equals work (er, don't need...
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- Adam Lasnik
it seems to be for US people only ...
- Steph (sh_skew)
Steph: that problem will eventually be taken care of now that they got funding.
- Robert Scoble
Adam: you sound like a lot of my friends when I started showing them Twitter back in 2006. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You make a good point, though, Robert. There's nothing stopping Twitter from implementing the same feature set, except for their own reluctance to expand their capabilities. Twitter's current "success" will likely freeze them in place.
- Leo Laporte
the fact that twitter was misunderstood but became successful doesn't mean any new company that is a bit odd will be successful. come on scoble
- Mark
Mark: sorry, when 1,000 early adopters friend me on a new service something is happening that CAN NOT be ignored. Foursquare is the real deal and is going to go all the way. I'm addicted and that doesn't happen very often. Last time it did the company sold for $50 million and that was considered a failure.
- Robert Scoble
@Alex I get it's new, doesn't matter. So is every other app in the field, and many manage to work anywhere. @Robert, how many friends do you have on dopplr?
- rob
rob: about the same number, but growing a lot slower than Foursquare. Dopplr also isn't a game, isn't addictive the way Foursquare is, and hasn't gotten many people hot and bothered the way Foursquare has.
- Robert Scoble
Looks cool, but not in Reno yet.
- Kevin Arth
Robert, clearly you are more young-at-heart than I am :D. And frankly, I still am not very excited about Twitter, either, despite having 2200 followers. I pipe my updates to Twitter from FF but halfheartedly, and haven't read through my stream regularly in over a year. I don't need more inputs in my life, I need more outputs. And to continue my curmudgeonly and slightly hypocritical...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: that is true, but how many people can write a book or do something longer? I can, but I have to admit I hate the process. No interaction. I far prefer putting a little burp out into the Internet and then seeing what happens to doing something bigger.
- Robert Scoble
Creating is creating. It's foolish to insist on any particular form. It's all just participation in life. Far more people aren't participating in any way.
- Leo Laporte
I am curious, but like Steph I'm not in the US, so I will have to wait.
- Sean Carmody
"something bigger"... what, Robert? I'm not being sarcastic. What "bigger" comes out from these interactions? Often when pondering this, I see this blips of expression as equivalent to mast^H masticating cheetos. Feels good when doing it, but doesn't feel fulfilling long term. And I think anyone can write a book and anyone can cook :). More broadly, New Year's is coming up. How many...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: I can see both a scenario where Foursquare has more usage time as well as another scenario where Foursquare makes more money than Twitter. Why? Businesses pay to satisfy intent. Walking into a place is a powerful intent signaler. For instance, if I'm walking into Starbucks you betcha I intend to buy a coffee. Now, what if you walk into a real estate office? Don't you think competitors would LOVE to entice you to walk about and into their business? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
They don't want me. How can something succeed by excluding people? Foursquare only wants city dwellers, and then only in the largest cities. That's no way to succeed in the long term.
- Glen Mistletoe
George: not true. I live in a small town in a rural area and it's very addictive. They will be adding more cities soon. I agree that's a big problem, but they did that to keep growth down so they wouldn't hit Twitter's downtime problems. I think that's smart.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree with you 100% about the importance and opportunity of location-based-options, I'll give you that much! :)
- Adam Lasnik
Non-American (Rest of the world) user base of Twitter has increased from 38% to 58%. More than half of Twitter users are outside the US. Just saying. Foursquare is limited by its geography.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
I see it as incredibly limited to major metro areas and very exclusionary. Why would I bother with a service I'll only use very rarely if I remember when I visit a supported metropolis? It's far to exclusionary and Twitter is location agnostic and unaware. Sorry, but I strongly disagree. LBS isn't ever going to be driven by checkins. Latitude hasn't got it right, but until there's...
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- Ken Camp
Foursquare isn't really covering the US that well. Unless of course you assume there are only 20 some odd cities here. For the rest of us, we have to choose the best or closest location? It's not useful if you can't find others nearby. Oh, and in case someone didn't notice, there are 2 locations listed for outside of the US. Vancouver and Amsterdam. It definitely has potential and for...
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- Sheryl
That's my thought too that FourSquare, LBS and even "hyperlocal" sites are limited by its geography. So far, I haven't seen anything online that is intended to be hyperlocal be a major success outside of the major DMAs (not counting stores). For example, I live in the Hartford area so you'd think we'd catch the NYC/Boston wave but it never does (to date). If they can't reach Hartford with success, how are these services going to hit mid-America?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been trying to explain FourSquare's importance to local businesses a lot lately, and this photo (from the Marsh Cafe in San Francisco) generally makes the best case: http://www.flickr.com/photos.... Once people see that, the lights start to go on.
- Darren Barefoot
no. foursquare will not be bigger than twitter. it does not have the universal reach or appeal.
- jbrotherlove
jbrotherlove: Twitter doesn't have universal reach or appeal yet either. So far out of seven billion people 45 million are on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
People are totally missing the point: given the time Robert spends on Twitter / FriendFeed / YouNameIT, how come the Scoble's are having a baby again? :-) Congrats!
- Zoli Erdos
I'll wait until Foursquare is actually available in most places. If it falls to the wayside, and it probably will, it's because most people in the world can't even get access to it. Twitter is universal; Foursquare is only available in select few cities.
- Carlton Prest
Limited geographies, slower and more limited take-up of location-based services (the creepy factor, among other issues), juvenile game structure. I really don't see broad and sustained appeal.
- LogEx
nope
- Ouriel Ohayon
I'm not sure I see any immediate value to #FourSquare for most people if it's not available in full strength everywhere. Sure, it's undoubtedly fantastic for people in NY — but I'm not there.
- Hieronymus Murphy
reading : "21 Must-Follow Tips for Optimizing Time Spent in Social Media" http://www.toprankblog.com/2009... < not mere fluff
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The Worship seminar last Night was so Powerful. Young people & little kids were fill with The Presence of God..!!
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Is there a way to blog without having a blog? Borrow a blog, own the customers http://www.smartbrief.com/news...
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Mount Rushmore as seen from Canada.
Ahsan Ali aka. Slick, Daniele, Roberto Orsini and 414 other people liked this
HAHAHAHA
- Admiral Anika
Fair trade for them getting the good view of Niagara Falls I'd say.
- invariant - farewell FF
frickin sweet!
- BEX
LOL
- Tibor Holoda
Yup that's exactly what it looks like from here.
- Barry Sanschagrin
ROFL
- Ethan
So where exactly did Nicholas Cage enter to find the treasure?
- Geoff Schultz
LOL! too funny.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
LOL
- Roberto Bonini
Heh. B. Kliban did a cartoon of this with their pants down. Good job on this, tho :-)
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
hahaha, that's funny!
- freedom fighter mom
from twhirl
What? There's another view? Please post.
- Ken Morley
I'm pretty sure it's in the collection "Never Eat Anything Bigger Than Your Head", published back in the early/mid 70s. I know I've got it around here somewhere...
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Hahaha. Awesome sight for 'em Canadians!
- Santosh
face down and ass in the air! Love it!
- John Hillestad
Cool, except anybody who's been to Mount Rushmore knows it faces east! So really this is the view from Wyoming.
- Ben Hanten
Ben: Americans have never been known to have a sense of direction.
- l0ckergn0me
Hilarious :-D
- Ace
I literally LOL'd.
- Mike Cefalo
Sarah Palin sees this from the other side of her house.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
awesome
- Nick Humphries
I lol´d.
- Jens Christian Freund
ahahahahahahah
- Adriano Mercurio
LMAO! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
lol ... yup that's just what we see from Canada ... a bunch of asses
- jay macpherson
Well played, jay. Well played.
- Jason Huebel
*access memory: Braveheart battle scene*
- Mo Kargas
Too funny!
- Mark Harai
Haha... I LOL'ed for real too.
- Barbara
wiping away tears. rofl
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
+1 Jay (not really true, but still very funny :o)
- Ken Morley
Hay I am Canadian !.....giggle
- hollyseven
How did I miss this?! HAHA
- Mona Nomura
I think somebody has a wedgie!
- CAJ, somewhere else
The view from Canada is the rock on the left & Lincoln's shoes.
- Wade Dorrell
that is epic. ;)
- Philip "dmouse" Campbell
Hilarious! :)
- Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom
Awesome!
- Timothy Federwitz
hahahaha wtf
- tohuko
That's priceless.
- Todd Libby
Teddy has a nice butt =p
- LouCypher
where do you get this stuff from - Frank loves it
- Kathi Barrett
That is brilliant. B3TA or somewhere similar?
- dannystaple
Hahahah! Mount Rushmore as seen from Canada.
- KyNam Doan
haha ace babes xx
- abigailashleawhitaker
This is an old pic, but is still always funny to see. :)
- John Pyper
"Sweet Dreams" by The Eurhythmics was indeed purchased my good peeps:) It still rocks too! MJ is taking me back to my early 80s pop days!
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Sat night: Dinner, a movie, some wine. I might try this w/ some1 other than me soon. U know, with a woman or something.
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Can't wait! RT @conniereece: I'll be on Friday's FIR broadcast w/ @garyvee, @johncass and @jbell99 talking PR pitches. http://www.forimmediaterelease.biz/index...
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New avatar. Yay or nay?
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Definitely Yay.
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
Yay and Yay!
- Janet
hellz yeah
- Shevonne
supercharming smile! absolutely yay!
- esther ♥ ♫
two thumbs up
- Brent Smorgen Bleg
so pretty, Mo!
- Yolanda
wuv <3
- Gordon Swaby
This is one picture I don't mind popping back up to the top of the feed. :)
- ha3rvey (chee-la-key-les)
Nice
- Bryan R. Adams
Yay!
- Kandeezie
I could not resist the allure of a user name like Kandeezie. Instant sub.
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
epic yay!
- Michael Forian
Totally. :)
- Dan Messer
Absolutely YAY ♥
- AJ Batac
nice pic, monique
- Valley
Thanks guys for the love <3
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Two thumbs up
- Steve C
yay
- Lynne d Johnson
Yay
- Tracy Benham
Ebon Heath and his visual poetry - http://www.yatzer.com/1690_eb...
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This visual journey began as a love affair with letters and a question: how do we fuse our typographic language with the physicality of our body language? I want our type to jump, scream, whisper and dance, versus lay flat, dead and dormant, to be used and discarded with no concern for its intricate beauty of form, function, and meaning. We use type daily yet rarely appreciate the form of a letter. By liberating type from the confines of the page we not only free the words to express the content in a new dimension of scale, volume, and movement, but also force the reader to become a viewer. This process reveals the form of our letters while creating a new relationship to our language in our ability to feel versus only read the content. I love the visual of "crystalized words as frozen flowers". This is clear on a visual level, yet also the form of the flower has evolved to fulfill a specific function. All the subservient smaller bio chemical reactions that make up its structure on a...
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- Cee Bee
I was looking at his art last week. I'm still dazzled by these pieces. I would love to see them up close.
- Admiral Anika
it's amazing artwork. i can't even think how he comes up with the structures. they look real delicate and sturdy all at once
- Cee Bee
Awesome!
- Anna Haro
Very cool.
- Carmen
...very creative work.
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i have to say, friendfeed is actually *losing* value to me, not gaining it. if i don't put in crazy energy here, pretty much nobody likes/comments my stuff, which pretty much makes using the site a waste of time. on a "ROI of my energy" perspective, my blog, Twitter, and even IM is seems like a better use of my time...
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Trying to help... :)
- Sid Burgess
Jeremy, I'm confused... are you using friendfeed for the community and experience or are you using it to dive traffic to your stuff?
- Bastard Operator From FF
@Sean - all of it. my comment is that, if i dont put in a LOT of energy, i dont feel i gain in the community/experience...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy, why do you think that is? I haven't spent a lot of energy in FF and now I'm wondering if it's worth it
- Andre P. Siregar
Jeremy: I went and looked at your page and there just isn't much that is interesting lately from you. Why the entitlement attitude to our attention?
- Robert Scoble
I often forget that while I'm following a bunch of folks, not that many are following me. So when I don't get comments or attention, I just do a mental shrug and carry on. The value in FF to me is what I learn from others. While I wish more people would interact with me on topics I introduce, that's what my blogs are for, not what I use FF for.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
@Robert who are you to tell me what is "interesting"? oh, and you've "liked" two of my things recently.
- Jeremy Toeman
Plus, your items are rarely conversational. Rarely have your personality (that I miss, by the way), rarely have images, rarely are posted from here, and show little engagement with the community.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, don't let anyone suggest you're not getting attention because of the quality of your contribution. The design was broken when they made the upgrade and the user experience for all but the most committed users has suffered. You are not alone.
- Sprague D
Jeremy, just giving you feedback about what gets engagement. Your stuff lately isn't engaging.
- Robert Scoble
I love friend feed - I see everything popping up from all my social media and I can be on top of it instantly - there's nothing that I know of that works as well as this to aggregate everything real time.
- James Stewart
Jeremy, I haven't even looked at your stuff lately (sorry), but more because I've been busy than anything else. However, you seem to be insisting upon love from strangers. Have you invited real-life friends here? Some of the most active commenters and like'ers on my stuff are those friends of mine that I know in real life, who care about me, who care about what I think, what I'm doing,...
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- Adam Lasnik
Jeremy: put this feed on your screen and compare it to yours: http://friendfeed.com/search... You'll see that there's a HUGE difference between the items you are putting in here and yours.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: what you are noticing is that in the past two weeks many thousands of new people have come in here, and have brought their feeds as well. So the bar to getting attention has gone WAY UP. It's a lot harder to get attention. The feeds are all going faster. What I'm doing now is building new searches to find good content around topics. Also, I'm building private rooms where I'm inviting my friends into have a conversation about something specific. Those are things I can't do anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, the quality of your offerings is fine -- when users complain about user experience it is often because of systemic design changes. Your note implies that FF was once more engaging for you (as it was for me) that changed with the new "real time" design that requires much greater commitment (posting, managing lists, etc.) in order to keep your stuff in front of people. It's not you, it's FriendFeed.
- Sprague D
Once again you make sense of it all, Robert.
- Chris Heath
I second that I can't believe I didnt get on this earlier - enjoying the banter :)
- James Stewart
Sprague: there are WAVES of new users coming here lately due to the easy integration from Twitter that was added a couple of weeks ago. I actually am seeing more engagement on my items. The searches here are letting me get a LOT more value out of friendfeed than before, too.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you're the definition of an outlier and actually proof of what I'm saying. Neither Jeremy nor I use the service the way you do and have seen our experience of it decline since the design change. As far as usage, I would love to see the reach numbers for FriendFeed going forward. I'm betting that a lot of those new people will churn because of the high barrier to engagement caused by the design.
- Sprague D
Sprague: Jeremy used to participate here a lot more and used to blog a lot more and used to post things that I cared about. Lately? I am finding him less and less interesting. I expected that, actually, he has a new baby. Watch how my usage here goes way down in September when Scobleizer 3.0 arrives.
- Robert Scoble
If you use Friend Feed for keeping you own personal network up dated and following its great I never really log into my twitter anymore I can hanlde everything from Friend Feed and My Cell Phone even from all the way over here in Australia... Its handy...
- Chris Henderson
You and Jeremy almost have a point, Sprague, but Twitter? Give me a break. It's noiser and noiser and all of my friends are saying they are getting less and less engagement there.
- Robert Scoble
How do you get people away from Facebook & on here though?
- Jason Hansen
Wow I see the FF fans are out in full force again. @Jeremy you are right to a point - Friendfeed is a lot more work since they flipped the switch on their opinion of what the real-time web is (which I wrote about here - http://bit.ly/3aDGf4 - and got equally smacked down as you are) but someone had a suggestion that I still have to play with - that being instead of concentrating on the...
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- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, you make a great point. I like FF but much of my network is on Twitter & using FF as an aggregator, it makes it hard to have conversations here when they all originate from Twitter. However, I do believe we're on the brink of change.
- Karen Swim
@Robert we almost have a point -- well that's almost a compliment! ;-) I expect that the FF boys (who are clearly brilliant programmers) will finesse the ui over time. UIs are tough. I agree Twitter is a rough place but... it's *simple*. That counts. They need to find the balance between features and ease of use.
- Sprague D
Sprague: I get more engagement on Facebook than I do on Twitter (and that's with a FAR smaller audience because Facebook limits me to 5,000 friends) and Facebook is MUCH more complicated than Twitter. I'm really getting tired of the hype of Twitter being better because it's simpler. Facebook is still growing a Twitter every six weeks. 225 million vs. 30 million for the "simpler" service.
- Robert Scoble
Robert no disrespect because you know I value what you do, but we really need to hear from people who may not have as high a profile in order to get a better sense of how everyday users are experiencing the changes to FF. Do you know how Paul and Bret are assessing that (unique users, returning users, time on site, etc.)? For example, I still rely on FF as an aggregator, but spend much less time on site.
- Sprague D
Sprague: yes, they are using focus groups (which is why they made several of the changes here) and they are watching time on site and amount of likes per person and comments per person and also are active here in many places. But they haven't shared much more about that. The thing that drags people back here is conversations on specific topics. Some of those can get hundreds or thousands of comments.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: There are alot of users who don't have as high profile as Robert and still find the service much more better then Twitter which is just a broadcasting service - which is getting filled with a lot of marketers/spammers which unlike Twitter are removed from here quickly. I spend more time over here then over on Twitter because I can engage with people easier via a better DM...
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- Nicholas James
Sprague, for example, Here's a list of all items that have more than 100 comments here: http://friendfeed.com/search... that list is getting more items faster now than it was three months ago.
- Robert Scoble
Sprague: here's a list of all items that have gotten 100 likes or more, too: http://friendfeed.com/search... This list too is growing a lot faster today than it was three months ago. That demonstrates that a lot more people are using the service, but that it's harder to get attention.
- Robert Scoble
Just looking at the features I would easily say Friendfeed is the better place to spend my time but I find myself over at twitter more than any other place.
- Hunter
I agree with Scoble on the entitlement issue.. nothing too interesting on the page. I think friendfeeds search and real-time capabilities surpass any other social media site. Twitter has far too much noise.
- Johnny
Oh Robert, Robert, Robert yet again you are holding up how you use these social media tools and your opinions of them as being gospel. With the utmost respect - Piss Off. You are unique when it comes to social media service use. I admire all to hell your ability to process what you do during the day *but* not everyone using social media is using it for the same reasons your do or in the...
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- Steven Hodson
Hunter: that's fair. I have been on Twitter 910+ days and I spend a lot of time over there too. One thing I've noticed is that my behavior IS early adopter and IS often two years ahead of the market. I remember having these arguments with my blog's readers. They wanted to stay on the blog comments, not come over to Twitter. Now most of them have joined Twitter and are resisting coming to the new thing. I'm seeing more and more move over though.
- Robert Scoble
Hodson: what ARE you talking about? This whole feed started with a guy who was upset with a service because he is not getting the attention he wants... Are you high?
- Johnny
@Johnny you might as well be stepping into the middle of a conversation. This is something that Robert and I have been going around on for a few days now. And no I'm not high (biting tongue against snappy retort)
- Steven Hodson
@Johnny oh and by the way how was Joe's originating comment anything about not getting attention ... it was in fact just a statement about finding less value in FF because of time being required to get any value out of it.
- Steven Hodson
Johnny: Hodson is one of those people who would rather denigrate someone who is ahead of him in understanding the usage of these tools. I have had the exact same reactions from people who used to tell me that the world didn't need Mouse and Windows. True story. Then later when IM came out people told me no one would EVER have hundreds of people on their IM lists, or use it for business. Today most of my friends have that many.
- Robert Scoble
Nicholas, agree totally that FF has it all over Twitter in features. Robert, perhaps much of the issue is just caused by increased traffic but I'm not sure. I need to cut out. This has been good.
- Sprague D
Johnny: I remember when I had 1,000 friends on Twitter and my friends were giving me shit for having so many and saying that I couldn't understand the real world. Same argument as Hodson is giving me. Hodson is wrong. He'll always be wrong. He can't stand it because people DO follow us into the deep end of the pool, eventually, because, well, it's more fun there.
- Robert Scoble
thanks Robert. I wasn't denigrating you. But if you want to think so then fine.
- Steven Hodson
How to interest Robert Scoble: talk about him, or his ideas, or skewer a sacred cow of his. Then it will turn up in his vanity search. (Oh, let me get "Scobleizer" in there so it'll pique his interest.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: you are saying I'm unique. Actually, history has proven I am not. I'm just early. That's all. Not unique. A year from now I wish people would go back and understand this, but they never do. I've been through this before. Which is why when you tell me to piss off you are wrong and a jerk.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: go to http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... -- how many items there follow your advice? Not many. You are wrong and a jerk. Thanks for adding to the conversation.
- Robert Scoble
Robert I meant that with all the best humor intended I'm sorry you didn't see it as such
- Steven Hodson
Robert: Glad to know we are on the same page. I have had the same problems trying to explain the usage of certain technology/tools. And you're right about people following us... Its almost frustrating to think about how many people told me time and time again how Twitter will fail and how its not for them.. where are we a few years later? They're all using it. Same with ff. :)
- Johnny
Steven: I've heard that argument before. Many times. The person saying it has ALWAYS been proven wrong. Which is why I'm telling you you're wrong. Humor is fine. Where's the smilie? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: exactly. I could wallpaper my bathroom with all the comments that I got in the early days of Twitter that said "Twitter is lame." All from guys like Hodson.
- Robert Scoble
Oops, hit enter too quickly. Seriously, though, ones objectives shouldn't be to engage only 1 reader, even one as vaunted as Scoble. It should be to first express something you feel strongly about, and hopefully engage others who are interested in what you think. But I wouldn't consider Robert's critique as near to valid, because it's a classic example of "YMMV". Different strokes, etc,...
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- TxVoodoo
shit things are heating up in here! dam you can type fast Scoble!! :-) SMILE haha
- James Stewart
James: the best class I took in college was typing. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, you aren't alone in wishing that people would contribute to the conversations you try to start.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: ad hominems? Hahahahahahah. Boy, you are funny. You're the one who made a false statement.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert - excuse me? But if you check you will find I have been using Twitter for almost as long as you have so don't hang the lame label on me (for that). Just as I've been using Friendfeed for as long if not longer than you.
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: life doesn't guarantee you a listener.
- Robert Scoble
Is there really a right or wrong answer here though?
- Jason Hansen
Same. That's why I couldn't help but call the guy out. Lame.
- Johnny
@Robert re: missing smiley - oppss it slid by me :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
- Steven Hodson
I reckon dude - I've been cruzing though my emails and facebook and friendfeed all arvo and watching this convo roll out has been really interesting. loved that vid of you talking about building43 and friendfeed on your fan page - just can't believe I havn't been tracking you earlier - thanks for the insights all the way to NZ :)
- James Stewart
Well, um, Jeremy, looks like you got your wish. Lots of replies here! :D
- Adam Lasnik
Robert-how about this one? http://friendfeed.com/scobles... - Not all of us feel the need to Big Brother the world about our mentions. And I'm not a jerk because I disagree with you. I've felt this for a while, feels good to speek my mind. Been around as long as you, just haven't felt world revolved around me.
- TxVoodoo
Steven: well, I am telling you that there's some lessons you guys aren't getting and you're trying to denigrate those lessons by saying I'm "unique." Sorry, the teacher is ALWAYS unique. I guarantee you that you'll be using the techniques I'm learning in friendfeed a few months from now and you'll be saying that I am right.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: what about my vanity feed? You trying to tell me you don't look to see what people are saying about you? Liar.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert if that is the case at least I'll be man enough to admit in print .. which I have done before when I have been proven wrong
- Steven Hodson
Adam: Shame they're not referring to the original topic though ;)
- Nicholas James
Oh, Robert - an opinion can't be a false statement. Don't strawman me! And how can you know if I'm lying or not? Don't project. That's libel, sir.
- TxVoodoo
Adam: this is the first engaging thing Jeremy has done since his baby was born. I miss his engaging self.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: oh give me a break. That got you one big step closer to a block since you're here just to be a troll, not for a conversation.
- Robert Scoble
one thing that does seem kind of limiting is the misinterpretation of text still on here - but it's not like you can do video. Another thing is that the amount of attention this has brought to Jeremy is huge - I wouldn't have come across him except that I saw Scoble talk at the start of this thread and wanted to see what he was on about - haha calling people a jerk is the best insult.
- James Stewart
Seriously, this is about social media, which presumes social etiquette, and ad hominems are just cheap.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo block warning #2. Don't tell me what's social etiquette. You follow your own rules, I'll follow mine.
- Robert Scoble
Jeremy, your original point is quite valid. To me, FF is the Usenet of the 00s - most use it to flamewar and self-promote. I rarely get value on it. I see an awful lot of bloviating & frankly, circles of backrubbing.
- TxVoodoo
Scoble, lemme get this thru your head: 1) this isn't YOUR ff. 2) I don't CARE. You have little to no impact on my existence. 3) If it makes you feel important, do it. I don't begrudge others their entertainment.
- TxVoodoo
RScoble: If I listen to others, it'd be nice for them to listen back.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
See this is the Key. People who are thinking about ROI aren't in love with what they are doing. No offense. I and about 99% of the population fall into, sadly the same category. The people like Scobleizer, who are loving what they do, are on the edge of excitement all the time. Everyone should find out what it is that makes them tick, and follow that for a career. Not preaching. More writing this for myself. You know how they say, we write in order to learn.
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen, yes. I find much of what goes on here to be naval gazing and beating of dead horses. Good lord, stop *talking* about social media, go and BE social with it.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you should have had a disclaimer. Your job is to build very close relationships with influencers. People like Ryan Block who used to run Engadget etc. And me, because I have a large audience. You want to have a place where you can study JUST THOSE PEOPLE. You don't care about people like TxVoodoo who has only a few readers and who doesn't even disclose his real name. So, to you, those people add noise and friction to studying the influencers you need to get your products in front of.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, HER real name. And it's out there, if you look. And I don't measure my value or validate my existance by number of readers.
- TxVoodoo
For heaven's sake, my icon is of my face.
- TxVoodoo
Jeremy: you'd rather have a dinner with Gary Shapiro, who runs CES, than talk with "normal people" like TxVoodoo. So, when you see a comment stream like this one it takes too much work. See, you can interact with people like Gary over IM, or on Twitter, where he only has a few followers, and you can lock everyone else out, but here people like TxVoodoo leak into the conversation which...
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- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Yes, I heartily agree, but for some people, like Scobleizer, Gillmor, Leo, that is their passion and job, and it has great value to the rest of us to report on weigh in on that sector of technology. But I hear what you are saying, and I think Scoble is interested in the same thing, how to apply this very technology to every kind of career and make it more fun and productive
- Stephen Pickering
OH MY Robert, you're really making yourself look dreadful. The "normal people" don't count? Who buys your services? Who hires you? Who reads your works? Way to alienate! It might not occur to you that some of us use these services for other things that aren't less valuable.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I know Jeremy. Do you? He does marketing and influencer management and PR and that kind of thing to launch new companies.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen yes - but as I say above, it doesn't pay to alienate ppl w/ less followers/readers/etc. One never knows where a jewel will come from, or a job. Y'all don't know who I am, or who I represent, or what my buying power is, right?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: You're only helping Robert prove his point by spamming this conversation.
- Johnny
Robert, do you know me? Do you know what I might do? Do you know what I might buy? Why auto kneejerk to slit your own (professional) throat, possibly inadvertantly? Social media should have value-but not only in having all the S.M. folks engage one another.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: sorry, but people like Jeremy can't engage with everyone. He is one of the world's best at figuring out who is important. Watch him work a show on behalf of a vendor. I watched him at CES. He is very adept at figuring out who the buyers are, who the press is, who has an audience, who is just there to waste his time, etc.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo Don't beat up on Scobleizer, he's on yours and my side, he's saying we the people who are on the outside of the tech industry, that our voice is important too
- Stephen Pickering
TxVoodoo: you aren't a good listener.
- Robert Scoble
I agree with Robert 100% on noise to value ratio with Twitter and now with FF. With your help we are experiencing it right now.
- Johnny
People like Jeremy can't or won't engage with everyone?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: I was talking about Jeremy, not you. To Jeremy you are just another shlub.
- Robert Scoble
Just another shlub, reporting for duty.
- Ken Sheppardson
MiniMage: Jeremy said exactly that above. That he isn't willing to put in the hard work participating because he gets more ROI somewhere else. I've seen how Jeremy works. He works dinners. Private emails. Phone calls. And gets to know INFLUENCERS intimately. He has won CES's best of show several times on behalf of his clients. Hint: he doesn't see a way to get that done here. He should have disclosed that.
- Robert Scoble
*sigh* See, Robert. You are missing soooo many points here. These discussions could have value - like the one I'm having w/ Stephen. Stephen's reading my words and their import, not just kneejerking. But influencing happens on MANY levels, in many fora.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: But isn't Robert saying Jeremy doesn't want to bother with the influencing on your level, when he can benefit greater from his normal levels?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Johnny: this is what happens with EVERY onlne community. The noise level goes up as newbies come in. I've seen it happen over and over and over and over. What's fun is that in friendfeed we can start secret societies. I'm shocked that Jeremy hasn't discovered that yet. Because that WOULD let him get high value out of friendfeed, similar to his IM client or his Tweets.
- Robert Scoble
MiniMage: that's exactly what I was saying.
- Robert Scoble
But TxVoodoo while Scobleizer is one of the "important" people as Kawasaki calls them, he is the only one who engages us like this right now. He really does care about the interconnection of "regular" businesses and organizations with this new Social Media World.
- Stephen Pickering
To me, FF isn't organic. Discovery isn't organic on it, it's not a great way to find new info and share it. I don't want nor care to influence Robert. On the other hand, I will say I'm more interested in reading Stephen, now. Maybe not his FF, but other bits.
- TxVoodoo
Everyone is talking to fast, you don't realize you are having 2 conversations that aren't related anymore (I don't think anyone is really listening at the moment), at least in IMHO. One is about "high-level" users and the value of FF and the other is about the "normal" users. They are different and can't easily be broken down into one answer (with apologies to those who think they can)....
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- Brad_King
TxVoodoo: I wrote a book called Naked Conversations that SAID EXACTLY THAT. It's clear you haven't done your homework about me, just like I haven't done mine about you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, what do you mean by "secret societies"?
- LPH™ and his dog P™
@Brad_King .. thank you for making the distinction
- Steven Hodson
LPH: here in friendfeed you can build rooms that no one can see into except if you are invited. A secret society.
- Robert Scoble
Brad, true enough. I like working and thinking outside the box - and that often requires bringint in 'normal' folks, integrating their input. I think a lot of recent tech could be made more valuable by integrating their input at the beginning-too much is now grown from minds of 'important' folks while forgetting what normal ppl need to WORK.
- TxVoodoo
Robert: Hopefully you'll send me a message and let me in on some of these secret societies so I can focus more on discussion and less on TxVoodoo!
- Johnny
@Stephen that is the thing I have *always* liked about Robert and even though he thinks I'm a smuck I still hold him and what he does in high regard. We need more like him.
- Steven Hodson
btw, as a disinterested third party reading - there are lots of good points here. I hope that people go back and re-read post flame war (used in the 70s sense of the word = good, not the bad sense). (disclosure: Scoble helped me figure FF out :)
- Brad_King
Johnny: well, there's more than one way to get rid of TxVoodoo. I almost blocked her, but kept her here to see just what she'd say. What can I say, it's a slow news night and I needed some entertainment. :-) My son has control of the TV. Sigh.
- Robert Scoble
Johnny: there's always the block feature ;)
- Nicholas James
Rober, Yah, I didn't read your book. Strange that I say what you wrote, but you don't use it? (ok, low blow). I just very much dislike this caste system you seem to perpetrate. I've been important in my field from time to time, and I feel it makes me too insular.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: I'm not talking about you Damn It. You are soooo narcissistic.
- Robert Scoble
Please forward me invites to the high-value secret society rooms. kthxbye
- Ken Sheppardson
TxVoodoo: I'm talking about Jeremy. THAT IS HIS ATTITUDE!!!!
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King - totally agree, it's been interesting to watch this develop over the past couple of hours and something I think I'll use an example for how cool FF is. Love IT
- James Stewart
Robert, thank you for the best laugh of the evening
- TxVoodoo
Stephen has the right of it. How many of the big players would look at a nobody's blog, follow her on Twitter or respond in email? http://scobleizer.com/2006...
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: you think everything is about you, don't you? Heheh.
- Robert Scoble
May I quote Carly Simon to you?
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: that song is in my head thanks to you. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You two need to learn to use emoticons, me thinks. There ya go, Robert.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's definitely hard to hate on Robert because he'll actually respond :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Ha, I've always thought of the block feature as the easy way out. I'm going to call it a night. Robert: send me a FF or Twitter DM in the near future and we can discuss more tech, less Voodoo.
- Johnny
I've a bit of snark in me, no question. HOWEVER. To the subject - this is a great chance to engage w/ as fandoms call them, the Big Names, so to speak - and maybe puncture their insular bubbles?
- TxVoodoo
Johnny: a private room is even better than a block. That way the person you are trying to remove from the discussion doesn't know it happened.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: let me know how it goes trying to get @oprah to engage.
- Robert Scoble
FWIW, I don't think FF is best or only way to do it. I believe we should use the tools that work for us, not fit our work to the tools.
- TxVoodoo
or Leo Laporte?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: I dare you to try to have this kind of conversation on your blog or over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - false comparison - she isn't active on Twitter, she's not a 'real' user. And Robert? I've had convos like this many times on my blog & on twitter.
- TxVoodoo
Mini: Leo actually is pretty engaged.
- Robert Scoble
He's never said a thing to me
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Again-it's NOT the tool-it's what you do w/ it.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: now I know why you don't have many followers on Twitter. (Low blow, but true)
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Show me where you have had a similiar conversation on Twitter
- Nicholas James
TxVoodoo: if you had a conversation like this over on Twitter (I have) you would have had hundreds of people complaining.
- Robert Scoble
And what you do w/ it is influenced by how natural it feels to you. Example: i don't like the "hit enter it posts" thing here.
- TxVoodoo
I see what u mean
- orionstarr
Nicholas: she would, but Twitter search isn't working right now.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: Why don't you let FF know your opinions in the Feedback room then ;)
- Nicholas James
Robert-you're engaging the wrong ppl on twitter-I do political talk there, often, and it works. I haven't had anyone complain, perhaps because I've followed/am followed by like-minded people
- TxVoodoo
I don't think it ever fails. If someone posts that no one is paying attention to what she/he is saying, a conversation explodes. Maybe I should try it ;)
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
TxVoodoo: You mean close-minded people.
- Jason Hansen
Nicolas because I haven't really ever cared enough?
- TxVoodoo
But TxVoodoo what I gather about Robert from following him is that he is the opposite of the caste system. He's just the opposite of all those characteristics you hate (and for good reason many times) that's one reason he's very popular
- Stephen Pickering
btw, screw you guys.... because of this conversations I didn't edit my book chapter for the last hour (your fault and your fault and your fault...you get the idea) ;) <-- joke emoticon
- Brad_King
@MiniMage - only if robert gets involved so make sure to be negative :) LOL
- Steven Hodson
Let me ask fathers, though, if Hooters' wings stop tasting so good when they have daughters, and no one's in the woods to hear my tree fall.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Stephen: I don't *hate*, I bemoan. I am sorry that he choses to keep his circle like that.
- TxVoodoo
Also, I think I *will* go to feedback-darned page keeps scrolling the typing box out of view. That's not organic, dammit!
- TxVoodoo
Brad_King what kind of Book are you writing?
- Stephen Pickering
Am off for evening, adios.
- TxVoodoo
TxVoodoo: you should have clicked on the time stamp.
- Robert Scoble
TxVoodoo: that would have opened up a window with the comment box on the bottom.
- Robert Scoble
Robert++, that's what I did
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
@Stephen: The kind that isn't being edited right now :) I have 2 books with Carnegie Mellon (virtual worlds and social media+storytelling) and editing a book of essays for them on digital creation. NONE of them have been touched. Bastards.
- Brad_King
Robert: Thanks for that tip... haha. I always click on Share, etc...
- Jason Hansen
I right-clicked and opened in a new window, because I'm cool like that. No, I'm not serious.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Rahsheen: see, that's where Hodson goes wrong. Sometimes it takes an advanced user of a service to figure out all the productivity tips and teach them to other people.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, stupid question, what is clicking on the time stamp? I keep having to go to the top of the page too
- Stephen Pickering
That's where I've been watching the action!
- Christopher Harley
Stephen: underneath the title at the top of this node is a time stamp. When this item was originally posted. Click on it.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: now, if you click on it again you'll get a second type of window to open.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert .. huh .. what have I got to do with productivity tips?
- Steven Hodson
Christopher: I knew there was a reason I was watching you.
- Robert Scoble
I'm sort of curious when I see people use the acronym ROI when it comes to "Social Media" tool, how exactly they define "return". For me return is learning stuff, not building traffic and followers. I can see how FriendFeed might be a poor platform on which to build an audience, because yes... you have to actually participate rather than just throw breadcrumbs over the wall now and then.
- Ken Sheppardson
So Jeremy Stormbringer starts this and wanders off?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Steven: because you don't like it when I tell people how to use friendfeed to get the most out of it.
- Robert Scoble
Ahhhhhhhhhhh, I learned something! Thanks Robert!
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert, btw, I sent you a DM here earlier about th Carnegie book. I know you have a billion of them, but I'd like to talk with you if you have the time. No rush.
- Brad_King
Me too, thanks !
- Barbara
It's because I've been here for a year and even tried to leave for a month and only made it 26 days!
- Christopher Harley
Brad: cool, I'll try to get to my DM's. Got a bunch of them.
- Robert Scoble
26 days? That's IMPRESSIVE! uh, but why the heck did you do it?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Robert: yeah, I know. It's for the Entertainment Technology Center (ETC) Press. Do you know Drew Davidson?
- Brad_King
It's a tough habit to try and break.
- Christopher Harley
@Robert .. you and I really need to talk :) tip away my man .. make it as useful as hell .. the more people who use the better ... just because I raise questions about how it is used and why doesn't make me someone who doesn't like the serive. If that was that case I wouldn't keep coming back day fter day
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: These threads often turn into that sort of party where the host wants to go to bed but a bunch of the guests just want to hang out and watch the big screen TV all night.
- Ken Sheppardson
Brad_King wow, you are right in the middle of it. And I thought Scoble and Brogan were the Social Media Kings!
- Stephen Pickering
Chris: You kept away from FriendFeed for 26 days. Wow.
- Nicholas James
Ken: when Jeremy says "ROI" that means that his job is to influence influential people like journalists and bloggers with big audiences. He's finding that more and more those people are disappearing into a sea of other people. It pisses him off.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: the dude abides. Scoble knows a lot more about much of this than I ever will.
- Brad_King
Steven: anytime! Part of it is I assume you're like Arrington and just like to argue to get an audience going. That's cool. It's fun for me too.
- Robert Scoble
Good point...but should Jeremy be going to bed just yet? It's only midnight on the East Coast, and don't the movers and the shakers work 3 hours later?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I still haven't seen that movie, Brad.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I did. Twitter, GReader, Facebook, and my own blogs got all my attention but in the end, this is where new ideas are spread out over the greatest number of users.
- Christopher Harley
MiniMage: Jeremy has a new baby. And if his wife let him away from those duties he's probably out having dinner with someone who has more influence than me. :-)
- Robert Scoble
@Robert please don't make that comparison please. I like to raise questions and make conversations happen. If I do that by being the devil's advocate what is wrong there?
- Steven Hodson
Brad_King Yes, I was joking a bit, I've been an enthusiasic Scoble follower for quite a while. But those are some impressive titles you are working on!
- Stephen Pickering
Steven: I like your critiques. I usually learn something about myself and usually learn that I'm not communicating clearly or I'm too far ahead of the pack and the pack is getting pissed off.
- Robert Scoble
New babies. Ah, yes. Those may or may not have their schedules down just yet.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
And if you notice, I no longer import anything into FF. Why bother with the aggregation. I know where everything is and if you'd like to find all my stuff; check my Google profile.
- Christopher Harley
On the other hand, when the pack gets pissed off for being left behind it usually is a problem with the pack, not with me. I've been through this before many times.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I've had some luck being around this stuff for awhile. I just prefer a different profile level :) I get to hear more.
- Brad_King
Christopher: why did you come to that conclusion?
- Robert Scoble
@Robert then I have succeeded .. thank you .. but equally so you keep me honest and on my toes .. plus I do learn a lot from you
- Steven Hodson
FF has scaled to size large enough that I can just search for everything. I'm here to laugh and learn.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: that seems to be a mighty lame conclusion to come to. Especially since we can hide specific stuff from specific services.
- Robert Scoble
Christopher: yeah, but what if we want to see what kind of music you're listening to, or your videos, or your Tweets, or your blogs? I am doing lots of searches and that's the kind of stuff I want to see from you here.
- Robert Scoble
Oh, I used to import everything but for me, and that's the key, for me it works differently now.
- Christopher Harley
There is always something be learned and nothing to lose. I always try to enjoy my time spent here.
- ashish
Christopher: interesting, because what you import has nothing to do with you. It has to do with what WE see of you.
- Robert Scoble
Brad_King Oh sure I understand. Everyone must go with the grain of their personality. Or else they won't be as happy and productive, and it sounds like you are very productive!
- Stephen Pickering
I share all those things.
- Christopher Harley
Christopher: oh, then I'm missuderstanding. What aren't you bringing in here anymore?
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Whenever I want to post something that I listen to or watched, I search FF first and find someone else has already posted it, so I just like/comment, rather than duplicate (most times). It's a rare joy to find that someone else hasn't beaten me to the punch.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Oh Jeremy, what have you done? Tsk. Tsk.
- Louis Gray
It aint hurting him any, Louis!
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Louis .. okay what took you so long?? :)
- Steven Hodson
Louis: he did an advanced trolling technique that has been used here several times lately to get engagement. Unfortunately I think it'll only work about three more times before people just ignore anyone who complains they aren't getting enough comments.
- Robert Scoble
@Stephen: I spent a few years in the Robert-lite shoes when I was at Wired News. Took away from my time building things. Plus, Robert does it *much* better than most.
- Brad_King
The need to constantly display everything lost its importance. Maybe I'm selfish but I can take away all that I want and share only what is germane to sharing right at that moment. The bookmarklet remains HOT.
- Christopher Harley
Brad: I am building things. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert - I work in Permits, and one of the clerks has a great saying about the way some people are. She said, "I can explain things to people, but I can't understand it for them."
- Gary Etie
Brad_King well it sounds like you are doing very important work
- Stephen Pickering
What is a "troll"? Am I a Scoble troll?
- Stephen Pickering
@Robert: shush. I know you are. What you did is different than what we did. I didn't mean that in a negative way. @Stephen: important? hahaha. not at all. Curing cancer is important. I play with media.
- Brad_King
Gary: good quote. Stephen: there's this thing called Google that I would love to introduce you to. :-) To everyone else, now I'm outta here cause I'm done with dinner and this was fun, but there's gotta be something else happening on friendfeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
That's right, there always is!
- Christopher Harley
Brad_King well media is important, especially now! But I agree, there are different levels of "importance"
- Stephen Pickering
wow... quite a bit happened over dinner it seems... if there were only THREADED comments, it would be so much easier for me to re-engage with anyone who said anything here. I'll have to do my best individually....
- Jeremy Toeman
/buckles seatbelt .. and the ride continues :) but I do agree about the threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
Steven, sorry for the delay. The family (myself included) was at a real-lief wedding in Santa Cruz.
- Louis Gray
@Robert funny, i both agreed and disagreed with your comments throughout, especially the ones where you talked on my behalf. re "trolling": meh, if that's your feel, whatever - I honestly didn't expect to see a conversation like this one emerge. re "ROI": in this case i really meant engagement with *anyone*, not just influencers... re "interestingness of my content": i think you cross...
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- Jeremy Toeman
hope you had a good time Louis :)
- Steven Hodson
Jeremy, my twins can take more time than your baby. Let's talk. I can teach you.
- Louis Gray
@Louis - i also have a 2 year old and run 2 companies...
- Jeremy Toeman
and now i'm off to clean radishes from my garden (uninteresting, i know), then go watch a movie with the wife. real-time web, please have a good night, i look forward to seeing you again soon. oh, and i still stand by my original statement. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: when you say stuff like this you gotta know that those of us who still are on the service will take it personally and spend a lot of time engaging on your item whether out of spite, fear, guilt, or just plain old "we feel like you just threw a pie in our face" reaction and we want to throw it back. That's why what you did was trolling. You should have known the reaction you'd...
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- Robert Scoble
I wasn't going to chime in on this thread because frankly, I'm pretty new to FF and was enjoying the discussion. But Scoble is right on with his last comment. Jeremy, the fact that you posted this on FF and not on Twitter or your blog, at least to me, shows you to be a tiny bit disingenuous. It's like showing up to someone's party and and instead of politely excusing yourself and leaving quietly, you take the stage and announce that this party sucks. You're bound to get a reaction.
- James Poling
Was it just me, or did Jeremy not actually address anyone but Robert and Louis? Then again, perhaps the salient points came from them? Still, I find it interesting that someone who runs two companies and rubs shoulders with tech elite has radishes in his garden and cleans them, himself. It's not riveting, but something I can't overlook.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@MiniMage .. it's not just you :)
- Steven Hodson
MiniMage: Yeah, so much for all those other poor slobs and their ROI who came to comment on Jeremy's point.
- James Poling
Jason, don't mean to sound flippant, but the "hide" option is your friend. I've also found friend-grouping to drastically reduce the noise in my friendfeed :)
- Adam Lasnik
I guess I missed all the ego stroking. I thought some egos were getting punched up there, myself.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Minimage, Steven, James, etc - nobody else really addressed me directly in their comments (with something that needed dispute in one way or another - I didnt realy think I needed to tell someone who agreed with me that i agreed with them for agreeing with me). most of the rest of the comments circled around Robert's arguments, not mine... so i apologize to anyone who said something to me that was waiting on a response, but it just seemed like the conversation had moved along by then.
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy :) any points can easily get lost in FF comments which is why I agreed with you about the need for threaded comments
- Steven Hodson
@James interesting that you'd take it that way. a little history for you: I was *very* active on FF when it first debuted, and remained so for months. as i (1) became utterly deluged with work, (2) spent a month in the hospital, and (3) the multiple-times-aforementioned babies, my ability to participate as an active member here went way down, roughly to NIL. so now i get no love in return - understandable. i'm not trying to spoil *your* party, I'm observing how there just isn't much of one for me...
- Jeremy Toeman
Jeremy: Do you have some sort of target number of Likes or comments per hour you invest in FF that you'd consider an acceptable ROI?
- Ken Sheppardson
If I post accidently on Thomas hawk account, it's a best of day, on my account, not so much.
- Mrsth
@Jeremy: I was being slightly tounge-in-cheek, but I see your point. I have a one-year-old at home and a job that keeps me virtually locked down from about mid-February to mid-April. Because of both of those things there have been times this past year when much, if not all of my networking, blogging and microblogging completely falls off as well. You are right obviously that any...
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- James Poling
@Ken how about 7? just kidding. no, i dont have quite so strict the definition of "ROI" here that I think XX hours of liking, sharing, and commenting should return YY results. but, per James' last point, it's a belief/feeling that to make YY>0 will take a LOT of hours.
- Jeremy Toeman
@ Jeremy, @Scobleizer That's why Robert is so good at what he does. Even when he does have those periods of away time (as he will in a few months) when he comes back he will throw himself head first into the deep end and quickly get back with the pack. That's his job so he is afforded that luxury. People like us on the other hand, while our jobs may be peripheral to what Robert does,...
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- James Poling
@James i think i'm going to call that response "bulls-eye" (the one with the "tongue-in-cheek" comment, which was the one i was responding to when the other one showed up mid-typing... yup, i sure would like threads please).
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy, awesome. Kumbaya, my lord, kumbaya. :) (oh and yes, threads please!) I may start adding that as default ending all of my comments, please add threads.
- James Poling
Jeremy, not to beat a very dead horse, but, again, there's nothing wrong with the quality of your contributions. There are people here who get huge response from announcing what they had for dinner. I think the "real-time" design changes and recent uptick in user numbers have forced the most-active users to retreat to lists in order to manage the flood of input. If you're a more casual...
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- Sprague D
It probably helps to have a gazillion followers, but I think Robert's point about being willing to go where the conversation is happening is the key to getting a return on your FF investment. Crowds will often gather around certain topics, influencers or funny cat pictures. Rather than trying to win over the people already following you, focus on comment threads where you can add to the conversation instead.
- Davis Freeberg
@sprague - totally agreed with you on this, sorry for not ack'ing earlier
- Jeremy Toeman
@davis - i'm really not trying to "win" anything...
- Jeremy Toeman
This far I find FF to be more of a consumption destination than a publishing platform. Interesting thoughts from interesting people but few people I know personally. That's how twitter felt to me 2 yrs ago, difference being FF has actual threads of conversation vs Twitter as a collection of brain farts
- Ryan Miller
from Nambu
Jeremy, after reading thru the 17+ hours of conversation in this thread that started as I walked out the door last night (i kept tabs on it a bit thru the night) i'm still wondering what 'value' means to you. Was Scoblizer correct in stating that the value to you is where it helps you influence people with large audiences (or however he was stating it)? To me 'value' is very subjective. That seems to be what everyone's caught up on here.
- Chris Heath
He who posts and likes shall be rewarded in kind.
- Russ Jackson
true, and yet I value the social linking so much.
- susan mernit
Russ, that simply isn't true. Several of us have been saying that we like/comment a lot and just don't get the responses back. Furthermore, pretty much like what Sprague said, there are people who can post "eekeek ackack" and get 40 likes and 50 comments, whereas if someone else posted the secret to being a success in life, it would never be noticed. Am I whining about it? I hope not, I just don't want everyone claiming that all FFers will get back what he/she puts in.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
There does seem to be a pretty steep climb into the secret FF kabal, and then once you are there you can maintain your status pretty easily, but if you fall through the minimum level of activity for any reason (such as real life, etc) you will have to re-climb the wall. Not perhaps a bad thing, but that at least is my impression. If work/life takes me away from FF it takes me a while to get noticed again after I get back. I think this might be a result of the nature of the new real-time paradigm.
- matthew john ernisse
This having to be active lots in order to be noticed I do not understand. If I see something that interests me, it doesn't matter to me if the poster had been gone for a week. And as a counterpoint, some threads become big, simply because that person had been missing for a while, and people were excited so see something from them again. Is there some sort of algorithm for this?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Maybe you should try to say something interesting.
- Will Higgins™
Yes, that's what people keep saying. Yet people say things that are more interesting than what others who get noticed say (not all the time, granted). What makes someone else's "guess what movie I'm watching" picture more interesting than the ones that don't get noticed? I believe the answer is "nothing." Why should one person's shared YouTube video get no likes or comments, when someone else can post the same thing with no response? It's more complex than the cop-out, "Say something interesting" answer.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
If it was that simple, this conversation wouldn't exist or last so long.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
@Chris - no, Robert's assumption of what I feel valuable was incorrect. While he is right in that a place where I could specifically remain connected with people in the CE industry *would* be valuable to me professionally, that actually was not part of my lament about FF. his assertion that I don't care about connecting with random folks of all walks of the Internet is way off in this case
- Jeremy Toeman
@Jeremy it must be since you follow me :) :)
- Steven Hodson
Bump... Looks like this one turned into a flame war to me..
- aerobroken
Jeremy, thanks for clearing that up.
- Chris Heath
MiniMage: What you're describing/lamenting something that happens on just about any social sharing network with 'voting'. The first time I noticed this 'unfairness' was on digg.com when it started to get big in 2006. You will see the same type of complaints on digg: someone who's not as 'popular' submitted a story first, but another 'power user' submitted it after and it was promoted to the front page because of the power users's greater visibility... it's a shame and it's not fair - but that's life i guess
- Chris Heath
I've edited the ^above^ post a couple times (if you're watching in real-time)
- Chris Heath
Also, speaking of the problems with dupe submissions to digg: from what I understand about the future plans (and from the history of this issue) there will be (and have been) technological steps taken to get the dupe situation under control.
- Chris Heath
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