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RT @kombiz: Politifact is now a waste of online bandwidth.. this is the dumbest thing I've ever read - http://www.politifact.com/truth-o...
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Gillmor Gang, recording live today 1pm PT participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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hello
- Kevin Marks
ready to rumble?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
in the garden with a chilled glass
- Kevin Marks
hi all. Glad I'm free.
- Aron Michalski
glass of what?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
tonic
- Kevin Marks
are you broadcasting? I cannot see or hear anything
- studentforce
almost ready Studentforce
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks!
- studentforce
oops, had it open twice
- Kevin Marks
hey Aron
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I get ads for salesforce everywhere
- Kevin Marks
Kevin is getting loaded on the show
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Hi Tina! Dealing with split personalities today?(Gillmor/Scoble construct...)
- Aron Michalski
should I drink very time we say privacy?
- Kevin Marks
people still think there's privacy on the internet?
- Karoli
ooh, great idea. One shot for privacy, 2 for iPad, 3 for cloud...
- Aron Michalski
Aron, I'd die of alcohol poisoning.
- Karoli
todays guests could be Lemmy and Keith Richards...
- Aron Michalski
this is the 'how did I get Growl installed on this mac?' syndrome
- Kevin Marks
I'm Doc and I approve this message.
- Aron Michalski
the priorities are what they should be !! Hats off to you Steve and Tina
- studentforce
1+ useful
- cliveb
We're all at the Fun Fair; the googlesphere is the entertainosphere is the TV, etc...
- Aron Michalski
no privacy in San Jose
- Jerome Hughes
OMG! The giggles...
- Alex de Soto
Google reacting to Steve Yegge's platform rant
- cliveb
wish you guys would cheer up
- studentforce
Almost Francine and the dog all over again...
- Aron Michalski
there's a chap up the utility pole behind me, thats what the dog was cross about
- Kevin Marks
Tickle me Google.
- Alex de Soto
The dog has his own Google Hangout?
- Aron Michalski
The dog wants a cocktail.
- Alex de Soto
I dont think we have ever had a a giggle attack like this one today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yeah, this is the "serious" show; all the other junk was on NGL...
- Aron Michalski
John got copy right, see his lips move, hear dog bark
- cliveb
Steve's drinking out of his Beatle's Love cup
- Tina Chase Gillmor
How Pat Sajak of him...
- Aron Michalski
What about this Twitter thing? https://support.twitter.com/article...
- Alex de Soto
previous dog centered levity… http://twitter.com/jromeh...
- Jerome Hughes
I just love seeing rich fat guys in suits trying to force the Genie back into the bottle.
- Aron Michalski
They don't understand the bottle or the genie but they do understand shoving.
- Aron Michalski
trickle down economics
- Tina Chase Gillmor
studentforce is going public the week after !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- studentforce
Computerworld: Apple breaks Microsoft's 'lock' on enterprise workers, argues analyst… http://bit.ly/yFvENk
- Jerome Hughes
FB IPO effect. more startups to help ppl spend time. less to help ppl save time
- cliveb
Hi guys
- Keith Teare
Sorry, missed that this was happening
- Keith Teare
hi keaith
- Kevin Marks
table that
- Jerome Hughes
we're here usually every week keith. glad you could join! ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
my theory about surface is that Gates sadi the futire was tablet computing, but autocorrect changed it to table...
- Kevin Marks
Who's Keath :-) Keith
- Keith Teare
that's the telephoen lineman getting a cellphone call
- Kevin Marks
Hi. Just tuning in. Has there been any discussion of Apple's textbook move?
- Amyloo
hi, Amy, not yet unless missed here
- Jerome Hughes
yeah .... lets talk about Apple's textbook announcement
- studentforce
Microsoft software biz model can't complete with free Android/Web
- cliveb
Hi Amy. Not yet.
- Hilary Talbot
hey hil, jerome
- Amyloo
"Evil? Define 'evil'..."
- Aron Michalski
It's like Steve woke up on the "right" side of the bed... but not so
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he seems so happy today.. what's up?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe, they are trying to keep all the hardware guys happy.
- Aron Michalski
the data collected from Android gear from cheap to stellar is what they live off of. The ad stuff has been remarkable the past week.
- Aron Michalski
CSI FArgo
- Kevin Marks
Half the market feeding their ad machine...
- Aron Michalski
It's not because of Lillehammer...
- Aron Michalski
57m channels &
- Jerome Hughes
MI5
- Kevin Marks
deep fat fryer in ep 2 is a bit much, yes
- Kevin Marks
Root system metaphors latest ideas taken from PARC. Apsen Forest and Pando Trees.
- cliveb
Time Warner Cable just released HBO finally...
- Aron Michalski
The pipe holders each have a deal with HBO...
- Aron Michalski
The pipe holders will block it.
- Aron Michalski
clive http://j.mp/viral - RHizomatic
- Kevin Marks
Traffic schools in southern California are wild -- or used to be when I lived there in thie 80s. Comics, lavish dinners if you want to pay.
- Amyloo
weird amy, so I missed out by doing it online?
- Kevin Marks
Doc's right; the premium users will drive this. Apple doesn't want to front any money; they will make premium users pay another premium, like they already do.
- Aron Michalski
Cable (SOPA) trip back to Hasso Plattner debate w/ Marc Benioff. Platforms missing granular biz model
- cliveb
Keven, suppose you could eat something yummy and listen to a comedian while studying road rules. But not so fun.
- Amyloo
DOCSYS is named after Doc Searls #fakefacts
- Kevin Marks
Right Amy. Still same. My kid had to go to Comedian PizzaTraffic School due to a speeding ticket... so bizarre
- Tina Chase Gillmor
fiber to the parkways
- Jerome Hughes
Kevin, yes. Scatter lots of seeds (root systems)
- cliveb
...then she had to go to a 2 hour class where they showed her mangled bodies for two hours
- Tina Chase Gillmor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki... Data Over Cable Service Interface Specification
- Jerome Hughes
clearly I've missed out here. I did online traffic school with the javascript timers ensuring you took long enough on each question
- Kevin Marks
Don't approve of the mangled bodies technique. But interviews with permanently disabled teenagers in one Alive at 25 program I saw was pretty effective in a little less gory way.
- Amyloo
Kevin... for some violations you can do an online class....some you can't
- Tina Chase Gillmor
2 hrs! Was she doing 280 on 280
- cliveb
I think you were better off... except for the pizza part
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it looks like the sun has set Kevins hair on fire
- Tina Chase Gillmor
New Zealand has some cool anti-drink drive ads using humour - unusual eg http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Hilary Talbot
Right on Doc, we're missing granular sharing biz model for billing content. Ads blow.
- cliveb
same for billing polygloy cloud services rather than freemium.
- cliveb
Goofy indeed
- Tina Chase Gillmor
In the UK, broadband provider Virgin Media announced on 20 April 2011 an intention to start trials with download speeds of 1.5 Gbit/s and upload of 150 Mbit/s based on DOCSIS3.0
- John Taschek
DOCSIS 3 is what xFinity/Comcast uses today.
- John Taschek
it depends how much you load each loop though
- Kevin Marks
Yes - but it is arbitrary. The bits can be flipped.
- John Taschek
Danny and Kevin's hairlines are lookin pretty good
- Tina Chase Gillmor
John calls the Google spring...
- cliveb
NZ theme video of the day. http://youtu.be/ATFxVB4JFpQ
- cliveb
Can someone please put together a laugh loop from this show? please we could use it when moments get tense
- Tina Chase Gillmor
like click and clack?
- Kevin Marks
see you Monday at Crunchies
- Kevin Marks
Crap is that Monday?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
let me check. No it's tuesday
- Kevin Marks
Tom's Diner (DNA Featuring Suzanne Vega) by Suzanne Vega - http://www.pandora.com/music...
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:-)
- John (bird whisperer)
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Every time you hear the kids say of someone not trying, "he just dialed it in" and you realize they've never used a rotary phone.
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I still think that saying applies to regular phones with buttons no?
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Or, "he just mailed it in." You know they've never used post before.
- chrisofspades
He just smoke-signaled it in.
- Morton Fox
Zulema, yes, but they didn't actually use a dial, unless it was an app. Phoning it in would be better. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I've still got some radios that have to be 'dialed in', [edit: though we say 'tuned in', weird]. ;)
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I can't recall ever hearing somebody say it that way. I'm use to "phoned it in". Maybe it's regional. I've heard "dialed it in" or "dialed in" used to mean got everything just right, as in turning in a radio station... but I guess yeah, that's obsolete too...
- Ken Sheppardson
I, like Zulema, think they both still apply. The point of the quip is that the person did not show up, focus fully, give it their all, etc. They merely sent along information much as one would do in a phone call, letter, or email. /smarty pants rant
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
from Android
I just Siri'd it in.
- Tinfoil 2.0
PS: 'Twas referring to phone it in. I agree with Ken on the use of dialed it in.
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
from Android
Nice, LogEx. :)
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
from Android
well if we can say "..here the kids" , then they have a right to " just dialed it in" :)-
- Peter Dawson
.....jus saying .. LOL
- Peter Dawson
I just FriendFeeded it in yesterday, folks. Not sorry.
- Stephen Mack
No (The Next) generation escapes homophonic typos, Peter, no won.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Now I want wontons.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
I just capacitanced-touched in this comment.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Mailed it in? or Dialed in?
- The original Kevin
Ponied it in, if you want to go old school mail.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Pwned it in? (MMOG)
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
^Morton Fox beat you with smoke signaled I think. :)
- Zulema ⋅ spicy cocoa tart
Now that I think about it, butt-dialed seems impossible now.
- Rodfather
Rod, what about rotary butts?
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Like a merry-go-round?
- Rodfather
I keep a Western Electric phone in my oversized back pocket just so I can truly butt dial for the hipster cred.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Dang, that must take some working of the hips.
- Slippy
never heard this vernacular. every time in the last 40 years that i've heard someone "dialled it in" it was in reference to them fine-tuning something, zeroing in on detail or totally nailing something difficult. unoriginal neologisms perpetrated by the culturally ignorant are confusing at best.
- Joe The Sausage
I think it still applies though, Joe. It used to be a matter of setting all the dials "just so", whereas it's more of a "push button to autotune" kind of world these days.
- Slippy
@Slippy: ever used Autotune? it involves knobs. even if it's the software version.
- Joe The Sausage
but no, it totally doesn't apply.
- Joe The Sausage
Pardon me. ..."push button to perform automated scan" kind of world...
- Slippy
you're making excuses now. :P
- Joe The Sausage
merely an error in vernacular, my good sir.
- Slippy
perhaps, but when you dial something in you are not doing it the easy way. there's the error.
- Joe The Sausage
Autotune is the new breathing helium, that's all.
- Micah
from FFHound(roid)!
Accepted. Now seeing the error in the OP itself. "Dialling it in" in that context is not a thing. "Dialling it in" as regards "fine tuning" is definitely a thing, I was confuserating the two.
- Slippy
@Micah: far worse. it's made formerly excellent singers and instrumentalists LAZY. fscking play it right or toss in the towel!
- Joe The Sausage
"confuserating"? *ENGULFED IN PHLEGM*
- Joe The Sausage
My work here is done.
- Slippy
AMEN, Joe! *fistbump*
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
from Android
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hello
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hello?
- Kevin Marks
Starting up shortly.
- Robert Scoble
hot sunny day here in northern California
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Kevin, you on Skype?
- Robert Scoble
Call in on NewsGang 3.
- Robert Scoble
kevin can you call in on NewsGang 3 please
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hi there!
- Maciej Głuszek
OK
- Kevin Marks
Hi Tina!
- Aron Michalski
Hi all #gillmorgang
- Peter Dawson
hello!
- Hilary Talbot
Hellooo
- Kevin Costain
here we go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Happy birthday Steve
- Michael Krigsman
lost connection
- Kevin Marks
I can hear the music in my head
- Christian Burns
Just a minute. Technical problems.
- Robert Scoble
Ahh, technology :)
- Maciej Głuszek
Poor New Yorkers standing in line for iPhone 4S - the rain just started coming down quite hard
- Ankush Narula
be this test card, John: http://www.barney-wol.net/video...
- Kevin Marks
I think ustream is buggy too
- Christian Burns
Phone companies are trouble all the way round
- Michael Krigsman
I've been pondering this new iPhone. perhaps this device is in my future.. :)
- Kevin Costain
My 4s is waiting at home.
- Eric
if it has a bigger aperture, it may be less sharp
- Kevin Marks
Is that Nikon film camera we saw there?
- Michael Krigsman
F100 maybe?
- Eric
4S improvements were mostly for low-light shooting
- Ankush Narula
Turbo C for DOS is the best...:)
- Kevin Costain
"Steve Jobs's death increased sales of iPhone 4S" - that was funny
- Ankush Narula
Oh yea @Kevin.. I used that book in College (if I remember correctly).. great stuff..
- Kevin Costain
Page views online and eyeballs in print -- same motivators, different tools. Blah.
- Michael Krigsman
Michael: yup, it's a Nikon F2 made in the 1970s.
- Robert Scoble
I've had it 22 years, and I knew exactly where it was to take that photo
- Kevin Marks
Robert: obviously there is a story there
- Michael Krigsman
Say, I've been pondering the role of journalists as so-called "experts", but they actually don't do anything other than report on things other people actually do. Is there actually the large disconnect that I think there is?
- Kevin Costain
@Kevin - I have that book somewhere at home too... be hard to find it I think.. :(
- Kevin Costain
There is no current business model for profitable newspaper publishing, and people say blogging the replacement. However, there is also no business model for bloggers, in general. Seems that news has a little problem.
- Michael Krigsman
What if the college students ranked newspapers? http://wapo.st/rrFaXr
- John Taschek
The only ones still buying newspapers turns out to be newspapers… http://www.guardian.co.uk/media...
- David Berry
ActivityStreams Facebook style
- Ankush Narula
lost Kevin. Hope not for good
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Not to spread it more...https://plus.google.com/1126787...
- Alex de Soto
@Micheal - indeed, the business model for that stuff may be worth investigation.. but I speak more of those in the technology industry (that make money by making technology work, or making technology) and those that report ABOUT it. The line that those that report and those that do it seems to be less delineated.. something is up there though I'm probably not articulating it well enough. :)
- Kevin Costain
Steve Yegge deserves Pulitzer
- cliveb
Major manufacturers have ceased production of new motion picture film cameras; cinema as we once knew it is dead -- http://www.salon.com/2011...
- David Berry
BlackBerry crumble(s)
- cliveb
my mac kernel panicked. rebooted, trying skype again
- Kevin Marks
I see allot of these BOLD statements about technology almost for the sake of being bold.. but where is the substance behind it? Are these people making these bold statements ever in the position to have to back these things up?
- Kevin Costain
It's interesting that Google continues to develop Orkut: http://en.blog.orkut.com/
- Ankush Narula
why would google abandon 70M users of Orkut?
- Kevin Marks
agreed - but why wouldn't they transition them to G+?
- Ankush Narula
G+ has fewer features and a different friend model. would be a big transition. They are ending Buzz.
- Kevin Marks
Orkut is big out in South America right? Google seems to be dumping lots fo stuff lately.
- Kevin Costain
Brazil, India, Estonia...
- Kevin Marks
Most Brazilians I know have abandoned their beloved Orkut and even MSN Chat for Facebook and Facebook Chat
- Stephen Pickering
right, the more westernized ones go FB first. I've heard 'orkut is now the myspace of brazil'
- Kevin Marks
I do wish I had gone into Brazil when I was down in Boliva last April.. it was possible..
- Kevin Costain
and we're off the air?
- Ankush Narula
bringing it back up... trying
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Of the air for me (in Toronto, Ontario).... :(
- Kevin Costain
Gonna get Footloose, Cut Footloose. haha
- Kevin Costain
we're working on it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
should be momentary
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Oh, speaking of outages, RIM's was pretty rough. Essentially all of my customers hate Blackberry's now. Consumers are fickle.
- Kevin Costain
Roger McNamee was on CNBC this morning. Do we believe his forecasts?
- Stephen Pickering
is gabe sitting on a bouncy ball?
- Kevin Marks
Perhaps that will pass.. I guess the good thing is people's memories tend to be short.. and when they're locked into two and three year contracts, they won't remember this when it's time to renew.
- Kevin Costain
hang in there folks
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Check this out.. Gmail just gave me an obvious SPAM message.. I checked more details and it says "Important mainly because it was sent directly to you.". I'm thinking, that's not too strict if that's all they're checking.. :)
- Kevin Costain
gabe is commissioning stories for techmeme now?
- Kevin Marks
Copycats, easy and low cost to create Apps and get Distribution, more freelancers than Startups.
- cliveb
Bummer that the stream is down.
- Robert Scoble
Hey how did Calacanis get a live youtube account?
- Stephen Pickering
techmeme posts tweets now
- Kevin Marks
we're still trying to bring the stream back up.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Its off the Air at Ustream now
- Mansoor
appreciate your patience. we're goin a bit nuts here
- Tina Chase Gillmor
here we go
- Tina Chase Gillmor
:)
- Kevin Costain
Yapeee...its back up!
- Mansoor
MG was good at turning ambient twitter conversation into blogposts. Is Gabe taking that over?
- Kevin Marks
how about that.
- Aron Michalski
Well, like him or not, Fred has integrity in the community. If he lost that, he wouldn't make Techmeme, I don't think
- Stephen Pickering
So what's happened with Techmeme? I have I missed something?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: exactly. Integrity is one of my favorite words.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: we always try to figure out what Techmeme is about. :-)
- Robert Scoble
hahahaha :-)
- Stephen Pickering
Robert: What exactly is the arbiter of integrity?
- Kevin Costain
Dork Wars.
- Aron Michalski
haha.. who are you fighting.. ?
- Kevin Costain
Nas v Jay-Z?
- Eric
I think the arbiter of integrity is the sense they put truth and objectivity above money and personal gain
- Stephen Pickering
Kevin: Integrity is "are you what you seem?" So, if you are a criminal, and everyone knows it, you have integrity. Now, if everyone thinks you are a Rabbi, but you actually are a criminal, then you don't have integrity.
- Robert Scoble
Stephen: Indeed that is one nice definition of integrity.. but I'm more interested in what decides who does or doesn't operate with integrity?
- Kevin Costain
yeah - like Omar on The Wire - that dude had integrity
- Ankush Narula
someone flew a kite in the WSJ which gabe picked up. Maybe they were trying to get valuations down.
- Kevin Marks
Why is Steve getting more credit than Bill gates? Bill put a PC in the hands of villagers in developing countries. He put them in failing inner city schools. Steve Jobs put computers in the hands of the well-off.
- David Lloyd
I do know what it's like to live with integrity. Indeed, this is essential. But, when we have those out there and we lack personal involvement with these people. What helps me know that this person has integrity.
- Kevin Costain
look back to Apple II, David
- Kevin Marks
David: because Bill put products in my hand that crash and are ugly. He will get lots of love when he dies, too.
- Robert Scoble
There's usually 2 questions you need to ask yourself; 1) is this a pot of S&^t? and 2) Am I going to stir it?
- Aron Michalski
The "Beige" Boxes heheheh
- Stephen Pickering
I consider this more of a Klout thing. Klout being a measure of influence, right?
- Kevin Costain
Klout measures online popularity and topicality. I wouldn't go as far as saying it truly measures influence.
- Robert Scoble
But it gets us at least partway down that road.
- Robert Scoble
Eh. Bill Gates changed computing as much as Steve Jobs did - the love won't be the same for Bill because the Microsoft message has become about malware, "Product Activations", and sales channels
- Ankush Narula
the Mac was the first beige box... the PCs were metal before
- Kevin Marks
There is a reasonable chance Bill Gates will help erradicate Malaria and put clean water in villages in the Sudan. I know who I think changed the world the most.
- David Lloyd
It doesn't have to be pissing contest. They've both done great things
- Stephen Pickering
Sure. Popularity and topicality are not influence. I think something like tying honesty and integrity to an identity would give words of those with more of it, more weight.
- Kevin Costain
I've read Steve Jobs was a dick at times. +1 for him right there.... :)
- Kevin Costain
The greatest geniuses always have the greatest weaknesses. Without the dick part, you wouldn't have the genius part
- Stephen Pickering
I do consider Jobs a genius. If I had met and interacted with him, I'd probably know for sure.
- Kevin Costain
Stream died again.. :(
- Kevin Costain
Oh, there it is. )
- Kevin Costain
Which article?
- Stephen Pickering
Which Journalist?
- Stephen Pickering
Names, names
- Stephen Pickering
This specific world required a new group of experts to translate what was happening. Then this world began becoming the the world around us all.
- Aron Michalski
Well, guys.. I have to run.. cheers.. thanks for the show today..!
- Kevin Costain
1-click purchasing patent - huge innovation
- Ankush Narula
"My Documents" folder patent - amazing innovation
- Ankush Narula
I like that better with the screen ratio
- Stephen Pickering
and when the money gets big enough, the old money types (all money types) take it for real. It becomes mainstream when the big dogs want a bite.
- Aron Michalski
How dare they make a beautiful product
- Christian Burns
Your hammer looks just like my hammer!
- Stephen Pickering
Thats way too pretty, make it uglier please
- Christian Burns
you can turn flash off
- Kevin Marks
I'd rather it have flash
- Stephen Pickering
Innovation is what you leave out - just as much as what you include
- Ankush Narula
it needed a stylus
- Kevin Marks
haha
- Ankush Narula
who was that? ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Microsoft Metro?
- Ankush Narula
w8
- Jerome Hughes
never cared about it before
- Kevin Marks
@stephen - this is the one: http://gawker.com/5847344...
- John Taschek
@stephen - and this was a more recent post that referenced it - http://www.forbes.com/sites... - horrible journalism.
- John Taschek
Ah, thanks John
- Stephen Pickering
MeatierGazer
- Kevin Marks
ha
- Tina Chase Gillmor
how much did I miss?
- Christopher Harris
The whole thing
- Christian Burns
booo
- Christopher Harris
Big trend killing processing latency: Facebook ticker, Google Pregel. Salesforce GraphDB arch for distributed Chatter.
- cliveb
Thanks everyone.
- Aron Michalski
thanks for everyone tuning in, chatting and having a great time. Have a good weekend
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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excellent
- Kevin Marks
have I got time to grab some Tea?
- Kevin Marks
Hanging by waiting for the famous call.
- Robert Scoble
will you all be recording this?
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
We always do. Should still be on techcrunch tomorrow.
- Robert Scoble
hi all
- Aron Michalski
famous call is coming
- Tina Chase Gillmor
running a wee bit ;ate...sorry everyone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Operators are now standing by...
- Robert Scoble
No worries, Tina
- Francine Hardaway
Hi Tina... I'd expect it, I'm usually a few weeks slow after Europe.
- Aron Michalski
Thanks Robert.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
hey Francine!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
couple of glitches we are swatting away
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My 10 minutes of non-interruption must be coming up - 2 year old will be breaking and entering my office at any moment.
- John Taschek
I don't know if you saw my "in a funk" post: https://plus.google.com/1110910...
- Robert Scoble
But I'm not looking forward to today's show.
- Robert Scoble
I usually love these shows, because we talk about the future. But I have a feeling that's not what we're talking about today.
- Robert Scoble
hi Aron - hanging out in my garage on a glorious Chicago(land) October afternoon
- Jerome Hughes
Steve in black.
- cliveb
you have to be involved with a patent to be listed on it, so Steve was involved
- Charlie Isaacs
Yup.
- Robert Scoble
Moe: good way to put it.
- Robert Scoble
gah, my comcast cut out for a minute
- Kevin Marks
Mighty big hole in the World right now :-(
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks for giving Doc the first wack;
- Aron Michalski
I like Doc Searls' Buddhist point that without Jobs vacating the space, further growth is not possible.
- Francine Hardaway
That was a really good summary by Doc, made me feel a lot
- Stephen Pickering
A life well-lived. What more can anyone expect? It's a sad thing but hardly an ending.
- Karoli
I regret Steve's "hobby" -Apple TV- did not roll out in elaborated fashion before he passed. I was looking forward to Apple disrupting another hide-bound industry: TV
- r Macdonald
Robert is choked up and it's choking me up
- Robert J Taylor
r Macdonald: I agree. I can't wait to see what Apple's working on there.
- Robert Scoble
I know, I hate being sad, but that's how I feel
- Stephen Pickering
don't you all think he had enough time to lay out a vision for what he saw and time to pull in people who could execute it?
- Karoli
Data is not everything
- Francine Hardaway
struggling with Danny's audio. sorry
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Tina: I could hear it all.
- Robert Scoble
Karoli, I think we overestimate how far he was able to see into the future. Remember it's not that he invented the tablet, or the mp3 player, or the computer: he made them BETTER.
- Francine Hardaway
some gaps on the stream, but not enough to lose the meaning
- Kevin Marks
That's what worries me. He somehow needs to be here to help us make things better.
- Francine Hardaway
he was a worldwide influencer
- Tina Chase Gillmor
few are
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Perhaps we can that the esthetic sense and simplistic interfaces and move forward, keep it simple, keep it beautiful.
- Aron Michalski
it was about getting it done in time, not right now.
- Kevin Marks
not releasing until it was ready
- Kevin Marks
It's also part of our time. Hewlett and Packard had just as big an impact, I'd argue, but their impact was in a time before YouTube. Steve Jobs is a world-wide celebrity, arguably the first of Silicon Valley's history.
- Robert Scoble
Here is a link to the Tim Berner-Lee post yesterday, about using NeXT to support his development of URIs, HTTP and HTML http://www.w3.org/QA...
- r Macdonald
I felt that way when I heard Any Grove had Parkinson's disease. He is a hero to me.
- Francine Hardaway
here's the playboy interview: http://www.scribd.com/doc...
- Kevin Marks
Thanks Kevin!
- Stephen Pickering
Well said Steve. Disrupting powerful players and bending them to his will - indeed.
- r Macdonald
The French didn't get Steve vision. See their serious newspaper 'Le monde' : http://www.lemonde.fr/societe.... Fundamental difference marked by Americans !
- Guy Vander Heyden
Gentlemen, do you think Tim Cook can bend additional media industries, like TV content and distribution, to Apple's will & new products?
- r Macdonald
the next Steve Jobs will be a group of people, a braintrust who can work together like great musicians
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Well, Tim Cook has $60 billion to push around and he has Steve Jobs' shoes to fill, so he knows that he better do some big things. But, most of my head is saying Moe is right.
- Robert Scoble
Little known Steve's support for medical research. Stanford's Joel Dudley convinced Apple to add Ruby and other capabilities http://macresearch.org/about_m...
- cliveb
Tina: funny, I wrote just that to someone last night.
- Robert Scoble
Robert... great minds....;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Moe: "replacing Mick Jagger with Kenny Rodgers" ouch
- r Macdonald
Danny is right about the carriers. I can't figure out an economical way to upgrade my iPhone. If I switch to Verizon, I can get a phone for $299, and then I have to do something with whatever I left left on my AT&T contract. And it's not unlocked.
- Francine Hardaway
android is a knock-off of sidekick, but it got a great browser from Apple
- Kevin Marks
I agree - our whole world has changed.
- Teri Temme
40 million used to mean something
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Jobs was a great and powerful pitchman. He had to pitch his revolutionary trojan horses to folks like printers, cell carriers, record companies, publishers and film and video distributors. Apple will need to replace this facet of his talent. Who will be able to do this at Apple?
- Alex de Soto
funny, Tina, I was thinking the same thing.
- Karoli
Alex, Apple has other people who do that, but no-one as well.
- Kevin Marks
Alex: Kevin is right. Jobs isn't replaceable. But they will find their own voice over the next few years.
- Robert Scoble
Robert and Kevin: I really hope you are right. I'm counting on it.
- Alex de Soto
Good to have the Onion right now
- Francine Hardaway
John Lennon was shot. We knew Steve was ill. Big difference. Still painful.
- Alex de Soto
Steve. Another victim of pancreatic cancer. Help out: http://pancan.org/section...
- cliveb
12 Apostles.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: yes. It's the best way to use AirPlay. Are you throwing away your iPad or iPhones?
- Robert Scoble
AppleTV needs to take off before GoogleTV
- cliveb
Greatest commencement speech ever
- Stephen Pickering
Deep link into Steve's 2005 graduation speech segment on on the importance of remembering he will be dead soon http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- r Macdonald
Westboro Baptist Church to protest (please puncture their tires)
- cliveb
which they announced on their iphones.
- Karoli
Protest what?
- Francine Hardaway
the Angel technique still works on them. and parody signs. Violence is what they want, then they sue.
- Kevin Marks
Westboro are just culture parasites. They attack anything popular so that they can get paid attention to. If we stop paying attention to them they go away.
- Robert Scoble
What are they protesting?
- Stephen Pickering
Right. Why would they ever protest Jobs' funeral. It's not like he was gay or political
- Francine Hardaway
attention whores. that's who they are.
- Karoli
Interesting undercurrent to the discussion is the continued fight against the entrenched interests -- carriers, publishers, networks. That's a point of commonality for all us in the tech world. Interoperability will be huge, but it will take huge efforts to bring it about.
- Ian McGee
Robert, all of those pieces are teams. I suspect that will be the key to Apple's success.
- Karoli
I wonder how many people will use "Cards" to send sympathy messages to Apple once the app is released. When I first heard about "Cards" I immediately thought of Steve Jobs, even though many laughed about this seemingly silly app.
- Alex de Soto
Jobs was a critic
- Kevin Marks
Someone who gives their life to something
- Stephen Pickering
Bezos?
- Robert J Taylor
Perfection, Simplicity and Secrecy.
- Teri Temme
Bezos is the closest I think
- Stephen Pickering
Who insisted on rounded corners for software windows with a radius just so?
- Alex de Soto
thanks guys.until next time.
- Aron Michalski
Who placed FCC certifications on a cell phone more elegantly than Jobs?
- Alex de Soto
alex, steve insisted on round rects: http://folklore.org/StoryVi...
- Kevin Marks
Who ignored blu-ray?
- Alex de Soto
Bezos is a genius but he doesn't build things of beauty. Want me to pull up the videos about the original Kindle?
- Robert Scoble
Bezos and Amazon's driving force is to build things at low cost. That doesn't mean they will bring us beautiful things.
- Robert Scoble
Robert but he is similar in that he tries to remove friction from the buying process and make the process fun and beautiful
- Stephen Pickering
That just tells you about the importance of beauty, design, and ease of use
- Francine Hardaway
WWSJD?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Right Kevin :) I could go on with thousands of examples where Jobs made incredibly inspired design decisions. He was more like the old car designers who lovingly thought about every curve on a car.
- Alex de Soto
Danny, iTunes was Job's way of keeping us humble. ;-)
- Ian McGee
hi Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It could be that iTunes complexity was to try to assure the music industry that their system would be "safe" - as far flung as that might seem
- Stephen Pickering
iTunes needs a rethink. Spotify is that rethink.
- Robert Scoble
Richard Stallman: "I'm not glad he's dead, but I'm glad he's gone." http://bit.ly/n50IWd
- cliveb
Ouch. That's tough
- Stephen Pickering
Nothing wrong with Wordstar key combinations. Now vi -- that's a problem. ;-)
- Ian McGee
Spotify requires a Facebook login. Very short-sighted, and limiting.
- Tinfoil 2.0
Richard Stallman is an idiot.
- Robert Scoble
iTunes is getting a rethink with iCloud, so sync isn't t required and backup happens
- Kevin Marks
What a horrible thing to write.
- Robert Scoble
But Stallman is probably autistic. My own son does stuff that's hurtful without realizing it because he just doesn't have the brain for social cues.
- Robert Scoble
So, I should be more understanding of Stallman and his condition.
- Robert Scoble
I was talking to Rana-June Sobhany about that - iPad as musical instrument
- Kevin Marks
Most of the people in the world have Facebook. That actually is a brilliant decision and the Gillmor Gang in 2020 will discuss just how brilliant it was.
- Robert Scoble
"Stallman and his condition" well said
- cliveb
Reminds me of how Clinton can persuade you even when you disagree
- Stephen Pickering
Some have said Steve and Apple didn't "Get social" What do you think?
- r Macdonald
I don't think its they didn't get it, they just couldn't do everything
- Stephen Pickering
r Macdonald: both true and false. Jobs got how we would talk about his products and made them HYPER conversational. Why else ship an iPod with white headphones?
- Robert Scoble
Jobs jettisoned the physical keyboard and need for a stylus on a smartphone. That move alone was brilliant and gutsy.
- Alex de Soto
it's gonna be a WWSJD world for a while
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My question mark is how will Apple do with the Cloud?
- Stephen Pickering
Interesting take, Robert. Products that are inherently drivers of social discussion & adoption, but no closed gardens for social interchange.
- r Macdonald
Stephen: I do worry about what will happen next week. Hope it goes well.
- Alex de Soto
i hope Danny is talking about upgrading the phone...not the wife ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Beatles?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
4S stands for Siri...
- cliveb
SIRI's semantic intelligence could be disruptive
- r Macdonald
Tina, exactly, his impact is just like the Beatles
- Stephen Pickering
did you see the Warhol/Jobs/Sean Lennon story?
- Kevin Marks
Thanks for sharing everyone. Good show.
- Alex de Soto
stay hungry stay foolish
- cliveb
r Macdonald: yeah, I still love Siri. I remember the day I saw that tech for the first time. Really amazing stuff.
- Robert Scoble
I'm so happy I got to see what they are doing.
- Robert Scoble
Andy Warhol’s Meeting With Steve Jobs at Sean Lennon's Bday party story: http://linguisticcapital.wordpress.com/2011...
- r Macdonald
thanks r Macdonald...I'll have to read that one
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Both Andrew Ng and Peter Norvig classes start Monday ml-class.org al-class.com
- cliveb
Great link rMac and Kevin. Thanks
- Stephen Pickering
also in the playboy interview Tina
- Kevin Marks
Awesome show - thanks!!!
- Teri Temme
Thank you all
- r Macdonald
WOw, that got tough in the last minute.
- Robert Scoble
So sad to see Steve so sad...Tina, Steve...
- Francine Hardaway
sitting shiva
- Kevin Marks
thank you
- Hilary Talbot
Thanks everyone.
- Robert Scoble
Nice job. 'night
- Ian McGee
- cliveb
I think Bezos is enabling people to build awesome things especially with the Cloud. The investment in capacity and the functionality of AWS is awesome. Changes IT immensely.
- Robert J Taylor
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Hopefully the discussion today will be on "Fire." ;)
- Alex de Soto
I bet Steve hates the Fire. And he will probably utterly dismiss it.
- David Lloyd
7 min and counting.... Oops 6!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Is Robert Scoble in the house or MIA?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Ahh just getting him in now
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm here.
- Robert Scoble
Quick tech glitch...standby
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Standby
- Robert Scoble
Stay on target! :-)
- Robert Scoble
and it's really real…
- Jerome Hughes
taking over the world? Meh. Nice tool for the AMZ silo.
- Karoli
When you combine retail, AWS, and the tablet direction, the world is becoming Jeff's oyster.
- Michael Mahemoff
Which makes the kindle a Segway?
- Michael Mahemoff
who's letting off fireworks in the park?
- Kevin Marks
bike > car
- Jerome Hughes
Chrome browser to Android (finally) http://bit.ly/mQbBsA
- cliveb
i just have iphone - too small to read on so i use kindle on the mac/whatever
- mal
reminds a bit of eclipse plug in differences
- Jerome Hughes
What about the Amazon buying Palm OS from HP rumor. Any teeth to the rumor?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Does Microsoft get royalties on the Fire too?
- Alex de Soto
it's all about how far you fold it from your eyes
- Kevin Marks
MS will probably ask for licensing. I can't see why not.
- Michael Mahemoff
When is Apple TV going to release an app store? That will change everything.
- Fraser Cain
Walmart's on a roll with their new lab. They are probably very interested in WebOS.
- Michael Mahemoff
slowly decreasing percentage of quickly increasing market... ok
- Jerome Hughes
actually there's very little beatles on spotify
- Ankush Narula
We're going to have to turn into flies so we can watch so many screens at one time.
- Alex de Soto
amazon won't buy palm
- Kevin Marks
you got a blind, for one
- Jerome Hughes
Spotify only has Beatles covers afaict. Artists "#1 Beatles Now" and "The Ultimate Beatles Cover Band" aren't the Beatles.
- Michael Mahemoff
they only have Mozart covers too
- Kevin Marks
Kindle has no apps because Amazon was holding off on their platform, waiting for Android. Change again to WebOS and they set the clock back another 18 months.
- Michael Mahemoff
they're hiring: http://aws.amazon.com/amazons...
- Kevin Marks
More likely Oracle buys Palm for mobile strategy like SAP (funded by Android royalties)
- cliveb
Walmart otoh has a blank slate and apparently a mandate for acquisitions.
- Michael Mahemoff
The Amazon Android fork already has set them back in time. Will only get worse unless Amazon creates a full OS team to keep their fork relevent.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
a blank slate? is that one with no apps?
- Kevin Marks
Not even a web browser.
- Michael Mahemoff
A single SPDY thread, that's why it's called silk (http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...)
- Michael Mahemoff
Thanks, Michael!
- Robert Scoble
Moe: no, he's trying to keep up with Zuckerberg.
- Robert Scoble
Not sure but the Fire seems to have a better form factor for video (widescreen) than the current iPad.
- Alex de Soto
they are a shopping company. they want you to shop
- Kevin Marks
Fire is 16:9, like most Android tablets, and Mac Laptops
- Kevin Marks
and iMacs, come to think of it
- Kevin Marks
Alex: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
And you can check out Kindle books from some public libraries.
- Alex de Soto
Moe: the killer guy at Microsoft is the guy who runs the law department.
- Robert Scoble
if only microsoft had had someone 8 years ago touting the benefits of tablets....
- mal
Moe: agreed.
- Robert Scoble
Hey guys and gals
- Christian Burns
Hi Christian!
- Robert Scoble
Who would be stupid enough to invest in bandwidth when the US Gov can make you resell it to competitors at no profit? That's why
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, my google plus following has gone nuts. :) Thanks for sharing
- Christian Burns
examine some past infrastructure you know well in the present... http://www.historicaerials.com/
- Jerome Hughes
bollocks, Stephen. structural separation works
- Kevin Marks
better late than never.
- Aron Michalski
Bollocks, Kevin, there's no free market in communications. That's why we don' t have fiber connections at competitive prices
- Stephen Pickering
infrastructure evolves based on demand which also evolves
- Jerome Hughes
we have the worst of both worlds - local monopolies with no structural separation
- Kevin Marks
how about duct neutrality?
- Kevin Marks
I have dark fiber going by my house, if only I could tap it.
- Christian Burns
Where does the US rank in net performance? http://www.netindex.com/ - not in top 10. But 4th in the G8 http://www.netindex.com/downloa...
- John Taschek
they look suspiciously like record execs from 10 years ago
- Jerome Hughes
an invitation to compete
- Jerome Hughes
Grey Davies, Action star
- Kevin Marks
except for that whole Honeycomb source code thing
- Ankush Narula
That's called the free market
- Stephen Pickering
The intersection of politics and tech!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
The fork is the big issue which should be the real concern for buying the Fire.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
my mac.com accounts have stopped worked
- Kevin Marks
All of this is a mute point. As soon as it is OPENED or Cracked it is a game changer. Barnes and Noble NOOK
- amarquart
From the Amazon website: "Your Favorite Apps and Games... Angry Birds, Plants vs. Zombies, The Weather Channel and more, plus a great paid app for free every day. All apps are Amazon-tested on Kindle Fire for the best experience possible."
- Alex de Soto
woohoo!! Amazon Android free apps. I got some of those in my Dell Streak 7
- Da
so why is Google adding 3rd campus in Seattle (840 person Bothell bldg)
- cliveb
Hey another Dell Streak 7 owner :) #iwork4dell
- Susan Beebe
google is hiring all over the place - huge building in London too
- Kevin Marks
interesting... Google Social expansion?
- Susan Beebe
apple broke my mac.com accounts last night too
- Kevin Marks
friend at meetup last night was asked what his next Android would be... his response... iPhone 5
- Jerome Hughes
let me know we're eagerly anticipating the Gingerbread upgrade on the Steak 7, Susan
- Da
mmm, Steak
- Kevin Marks
hmm. thought spring cleaning could reduce Google's need for additional Engineers
- cliveb
The Huawei Honor Android Gingerbread Phone claims three days on a single charge...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
it's yummy too
- Da
This show always continues to amaze me. Packed with info and educated opinion. You guys rock! Sorry don't mean to applaud our own show but...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Wait a minute. Windows 8 is focused on tablet use....
- amarquart
I don't even remember to charge the blackberry
- Kevin Marks
amarquart: exactly. It's far less interesting.
- Robert Scoble
BECAUSE of the Amazon.
- Robert Scoble
I should give it back
- Kevin Marks
One thing Rim does is product placement. Seems like every new movie and tv show the actors are using a Blackberry. Won't HTML5 help Rim hang on?
- Stephen Pickering
those Android IDEOS phones that Huawei's been selling like hotcakes in Kenya is probably optimized for long battery life
- Da
and minis (or at least the OS) ~ a good friend in that space says the best thing ever to happen to RIM is iPhone
- Jerome Hughes
Blackberry haz cheaper data plans (x3 texting kids mks difference)
- cliveb
I had to use a blackberry in London. Yuck. I hated it!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Android is diversifying into all the phone niches - Huawei are replacing the feature phone niche that Nokia thought they owned
- Kevin Marks
A black hole that the (average) consumer of Facebook doesn't seem to want...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Most of the tablets I saw when I was in the Philippines in May were Samsung Galaxy 7's
- Da
popular isn't the same as ubiquitous
- Kevin Marks
Microsoft has it's relationship with Facebook? No?
- Stephen Pickering
True Kevin...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Balmer is going to try to buy their way in. And that is why it will fail. stigma
- amarquart
Facebook's Project Spartan would be big on feature phones
- Da
facebook zero was aimed at that maket
- Kevin Marks
Scobleizer for nobel prize in black holes!
- cliveb
hmm, I dunno though, in the most of the world, Microsoft's still pretty unanimous with computers. It might be a no-name box but it runs on Windows
- Da
Microsoft will distribute through Facebook
- Stephen Pickering
MS has Bing! and XBox. A relationship w/Facebook, Skype. Hate to say it, but they will have a conduit into the black holes.
- Alex de Soto
what proportion of IE browsers have google toolbar installed?
- Kevin Marks
Kevin's hair and the trees behind him are moving in tandem; synced?
- Aron Michalski
It's IE 8 here with the Google toolbar
- Da
now
- Jerome Hughes
doing my bit to stress the video codecs...
- Kevin Marks
caching is learning
- Kevin Marks
I was wondering if it was a Pixar algorithm...
- Aron Michalski
The new Page rank? The whoisme rank.
- Arnie Klaus
don't concentrate on who has already made the purchase but whom influenced the decision
- amarquart
next time I'll try and sit in front of a lake with sunlight glinting off it. Codecs hate that.
- Kevin Marks
Kred==PeopleBrowsr's product
- Michael Mahemoff
wondering why Micrososft put money in Facebook a while back
- Da
it's good when your clueless score plummets
- Jerome Hughes
MSFT seems to be cooking up a new GraphDB (Redmond Blackhole)
- cliveb
sounds like Max Headroom
- Kevin Marks
companies in the business of herding cats
- Jerome Hughes
I'm glad I have no Klout. I'd rather learn a language to communicate with someone else in the world than know the t shirt preference of a 20 something in a mall...
- Aron Michalski
his Klout score is zero but he's in everyone's circle, he's the most interesting man in the world
- Da
washington general motors
- Jerome Hughes
follower spam! not a fan of sharing G+ circle
- cliveb
perhaps
- Jerome Hughes
apple's ping should approach google to be their spotify/fb
- mal
that would be a nice improvement on Ping
- Da
Primordial Ooze (social gone dark)
- cliveb
I'm oozing that comment (like plus 1...)
- Aron Michalski
ping will be subsumed in twitter
- Kevin Marks
but is Apple really into social?
- Da
what does he do about those who abstain?
- Jerome Hughes
and maybe i wont have to watch ads for domestic beer
- mal
Imagine if they could track things that don't involve sitting around in front of a screen...
- Aron Michalski
mal - by any chance do you need a truck?
- Jerome Hughes
Rather to think about Facebook aggregating yet more content. Of course, it's the Zuckerberg dream come true.
- Michael Krigsman
Here's an interesting Google+ related site that aggregates my content -- https://www.foldedsoft.at/+...
- Susan Beebe
Tera Nova is not bad lol
- Susan Beebe
Terra Novacaine
- Stephen Pickering
Hah.
- Robert Scoble
Pike Kilt Lifter sure beats Budweiser
- cliveb
lol
- Susan Beebe
RIP Tevatron … bit.ly/o2zzwC
- Jerome Hughes
I helped a friend with a problem (how would that effect my score if I didn't send them a promoted link?)
- Aron Michalski
Everyone wants to collect your most personal details with intimate fidelity, to sell more and more shit you don't really need << bad mood about this today.
- Michael Krigsman
check out San Miguel beer
- Da
PLEASE Stream it this time ...
- Susan Beebe
haha
- Susan Beebe
iWontbethere...
- Aron Michalski
your opinions are more important than your presences
- Jerome Hughes
the coffee at Apple HQ is good
- Kevin Marks
YEP - the koolaid is even better!
- Susan Beebe
great shot of Steve chuckling, Tina!
- Jerome Hughes
We need centralization to build markets and consolidate customers, but at some point it's too much. Question becomes, what is that breakover point where it becomes bad.
- Michael Krigsman
when we're all in the Matrix
- Da
Will you guys talk about the greatness of HP and Oracle, or did I miss that part yet :-)
- Michael Krigsman
competition breeds success
- Jerome Hughes
Michael: hahahahahahahhah.
- Robert Scoble
YAY, glad to see the show continue :)
- Susan Beebe
Great show! Kept me in the office until 5:30 pm (EDT). Have a great weekend.
- Alex de Soto
HP and Oracle were not waterboarded
- cliveb
real men watch this in lynx
- mal
Applause for Tina :)
- Susan Beebe
bought around the same time- my bought-new HP desktop conked out before my bought-used Dell desktop, yikes!
- Da
++ Susan
- Jerome Hughes
Ream men love HP :-)
- Michael Krigsman
thanks everybody.
- Aron Michalski
lol meant to say real men
- Michael Krigsman
Great show!
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Thanks and Happy Rosh Hashana :)
- Nir Ben Yona
… and Aron.
- Jerome Hughes
L'Shana Tovah
- Tina Chase Gillmor
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at last, a Friday where I'm not swamped in the afternoon.
- Karoli
Yeehaaawww. What a week!
- Robert Scoble
Waiting for the famous Skype call.
- Robert Scoble
listening in
- Christian Burns
who's on today?
- Dale Lature
aside from Robert and Steve?
- Dale Lature
Scoble, Pocket Cast app had the gillmor feed and downloads the video to my android,
- Christian Burns
geez, Robert. Caught whiffs of the "Scoble turned down 500k" story...you do have your fans and your detractors, don't you? :)
- Karoli
Have yet to play it on the phone yet
- Christian Burns
standby... running a few minutes behind. line up Gang!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Karoli: yeah, I sure do, don't I? In the past week I pissed off some rich and famous people. As it should be. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Slide apps killed, overlaps G+, Max Levchin to exit (more streamlining)
- cliveb
Kevin...r u in the house?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I don't see anything
- Francine Hardaway
Figure you're doing it right if you get those types aggravated.:)
- Karoli
assembling the Gang... almost locked in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Count me as a friend, Robert. In fact, count everybody here as my friend.
- Francine Hardaway
no Kevin Marks?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Cool, we're almost there.
- Robert Scoble
Hi Tina, Gang, and Gangsters.
- Denise Howell
Ah. I saw a lower third come up:-) That's promising
- Francine Hardaway
My two officemates made me turn Fletch back on until you all get your tech together :)
- coldbrew
I'm here at Singularity U
- Kevin Marks
Yay!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
Great to have Searls participate. [Fletch is on pause :)]
- coldbrew
Hi Dave Winer
- Christian Burns
Hello everyone!
- Nir Ben Yona
Hi Dave!
- Francine Hardaway
Exactly, Doc. It's his life. I am sad because I suspect he's dying or he wouldn't have stepped down
- Francine Hardaway
those pictures on tmz are heartbreaking
- Jamie
Give the guy some peace. Just leave him alone.
- coldbrew
exactly right. The wording of that announcement was ominous.
- Karoli
I just looked at the picture on TMZ.
- Francine Hardaway
Correct, Robert.
- Francine Hardaway
You need to reexamine your principles if you ever let you browser go to TMZ.
- coldbrew
That is appalling.
- coldbrew
It's appalling that they put those up
- Francine Hardaway
yeah
- Jamie
tmz is a click-whore operation. they're going to make money off train-wreck viewers.
- Karoli
I'm more interested in the new apple campus they are building.
- coldbrew
the Apple UFO building
- Kevin Marks
Yes, Jobs recently presented a plan to the Cupertino City Council about the Apple campus. Search yourtube.
- coldbrew
Steve is right the commencement speech was 2005
- Tina Chase Gillmor
he hasn't been the pitchman for over a year anyway.
- Karoli
Karoli: he was at the iPad 2 launch.
- Robert Scoble
ok. hold on...Here you go: youtube.com/watch?v=gtuz5OmOh_M
- coldbrew
the best site to read on Apple history is http://folklore.org
- Kevin Marks
hard to better Steve's Stanford speech
- cliveb
Steve's 2005 beat Oprah's 2007
- cliveb
Kevin: good site - great book
- Ankush Narula
Oh, so right DOC!!!!!!!
- Francine Hardaway
what Jobs is great at is making the mundane into magic.
- Karoli
Hardaway: 6 exclamation points?
- coldbrew
@coldbrew I am given to bouts of wild enthusiasm
- Francine Hardaway
Apple Removes 99-Cent TV Show Rentals from iTunes Store and Apple TV - http://bit.ly/oA8gzI
- Ankush Narula
Colleen: shit happens to people. Not everyone lives to 80s. Another friend's wife died two weeks ago. She was 29.
- Robert Scoble
Hardaway: :)
- coldbrew
oops... i landed in the shot.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
@coldbrew Francine sometimes takes cues from her dog Buppy, who wags his tail with seven exclamation points.
- Karoli
HDDs are on their way out for most of us. STX needs to get some SSD tech. Does anyone know if they have that?
- coldbrew
Damn, now I have to get used to Twitter as a TV network. I just got used to ShowMe App
- Francine Hardaway
2007
- Jamie
Doc and his dates today :)
- Jamie
STX has a SSD hybrid laptop drive called Momentus XT
- Ankush Narula
MU, SNDK?
- coldbrew
If you order business class Dell or HP, they are just as good.
- coldbrew
they still run windows, coldbrew
- Kevin Marks
:-) You can make them run whatever you want, depending on what you know.
- coldbrew
"People who are really serious about software should make their own hardware." -Alan Kay (we can add services to that)
- Ankush Narula
Kevin we seem to have an audio problem with you. any changes to yur system or setup?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
what about gaming field?
- Contz
bringing you back in
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hard to find Product Guy CEOs who obsess product operating at scale (Jobs, Gates / Maritz)
- cliveb
i switched to new skype
- Kevin Marks
it is gapping fro me
- Kevin Marks
shoudl I go back to old skype
- Kevin Marks
send video kavin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
I'm still one of the crazies thinking that personal servers will rule the roust once everyone understands decentralization and simple server management.
- coldbrew
Like Apple being kind of "too big to fail" - the currency of IT universe?
- #Robert Redl
We can still use load balancers on AWS but our app servers will be on-premise.
- coldbrew
That perception of perfection is what people called Jobs' "reality distortion field," which is an amazing part of his legacy for Apple's brand.
- Tom Guarriello
...and he's been aroound long enoughto set the bar very high
- Tina Chase Gillmor
"Great directors are the ones who don't have to say anything -- you know what I am saying?"
- Just Joe
coldbrew, agreed once tacit knowledge becomes the new IP
- cliveb
Let's parrot out of context quotations...
- coldbrew
"When it's ready" is the Apple mantra
- Kevin Marks
Apple will go into printers. http://tinyurl.com/3pmksbm
- Just Joe
Steve presents Cupertino Council http://youtu.be/gtuz5Om...
- cliveb
Sometimes I'm scared for Scoble for saying the things he does, but what he says is quite interesting.
- coldbrew
The rationale is psychological..."we have to be in the tablet business...it's growing too fast for us to miss out..." Not sound, but understandable.
- Tom Guarriello
OS protection....The more people use IOS devices, the more irrelevant the others become.
- Karoli
anyone remember the HP iPod?
- Kevin Marks
fast following is easier
- cliveb
yeah the blue ipod
- Ankush Narula
the jailbrake community is quite strong.
- coldbrew
Cliveb: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
"It takes more time to make a fake" but they are all rushing these products
- Mark Vaske
HP had a bigger vision than copying the iPad - webOS was meant to be used across many products and form factors
- Ankush Narula
The iphone was definitely a life saver during my last European trip. Great GPS, awesome camera, amazing communication with friends from all over the world and the Time Out app was brilliant.
- Nir Ben Yona
It hasn't happened because the Android OS doesn't seem to perform consistently across devices
- Ankush Narula
idk about that, apple has the most developers, and they control and make the best hardware...
- Mark Vaske
capacitive touch changed lots of things
- coldbrew
kevin yr audio keeps building up as you are silent can u switch toheadphone?
- Steve Gillmor
multitouch too
- Kevin Marks
I am on headphone. Does this build of skype do AGC?
- Kevin Marks
maybe
- Steve Gillmor
should I switch back to the old skype?
- Kevin Marks
turn off autogain?
- Steve Gillmor
how?
- Kevin Marks
we'll live with it
- Steve Gillmor
Reminds me of the original PalmOS
- Ankush Narula
Ballmer would kick you out and play Queens we are the Champions, or smash a chair if really pissed
- cliveb
App Switching != Multitasking
- Ankush Narula
iOS has very broken multitasking
- Kevin Marks
the onion article is a brilliant poke at hp.
- Mark Vaske
Kevin: I disagree that it's broken - it's "managed multitasking"
- Ankush Narula
nice analogy kevin!
- Mark Vaske
very nice analogy
- Tom Guarriello
The ADHD in me appreciates being forced to stop multitasking.
- Karoli
Kevin's right optimization (Elephants over Bacteria)
- cliveb
with lion, one of the main features is to reduce multitasking with fullscreen mode.
- Mark Vaske
the brain cannot multitask, exactly
- Tom Guarriello
well, that's why you turn off the radio when the driving gets too challenging
- Tom Guarriello
I dont want 8 apps dividing up my ipad screen
- Mark Vaske
very fast serial task switching
- Jerome Hughes
I can listen to this and do email at the same time... Multitasking?
- Just Joe
How can I get IOS5?
- Francine Hardaway
Joe - are you focused on both?
- Jerome Hughes
try multitasking - speak all right now at the same time
- #Robert Redl
Francine - become a dev
- Jerome Hughes
to a certain extent...
- Just Joe
Moe, we said hi to him at the beginning of the show.
- Robert Scoble
@francine - you have to be in the dev program
- Mark Vaske
Zing! This is hilarious.
- coldbrew
Well, I''m not a dev today, but tomorrow, who knows?
- Francine Hardaway
I can produce the show, switch shots and chat at once! well.... sort of...
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Yes the brain can only do one thing at a time (generally) but the brain does it much faster than a computer. The computer has to be able to multitask in order to keep up with the brain
- Eric de Oude
@francine - I doubt steve g is doing much dev stuff either, but that doesnt mean you cant get in it. Its $100
- Mark Vaske
Multitasking over rated, talking on cell phones, watch drivers
- cliveb
Where is the Android version of the ipod touch?
- coldbrew
I have a feature phone with a low cost carrier, and a ipod touch for voip at home.
- coldbrew
@ Moe hardware speakers arent meant to be awesome...
- Mark Vaske
@Robert - Exactly. External audio is better audio
- Mark Vaske
@coldbrew you are not alone;-)
- cliveb
$900 earbuds - absurd
- Ankush Narula
what's 900 bucks to a guy who turned down 500k?
- Karoli
ding!
- Ankush Narula
I had some UEs... Went back to Shure. Love Shure
- Eric de Oude
A paddleboard
- Kevin Marks
gaga, please, Noooooooooooooooo.
- Just Joe
here's a show for you Steve: http://huffduffer.com/kevinma...
- Kevin Marks
Those $900 ear-buds are more of a microspeaker.
- Nir Ben Yona
this is TV right?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
My kids: Who watches TV on a television? :)
- Karoli
cliveb: Who do you use for VOIP? I pay $18/ yr for the ph number, and ~$0.008/ min (and $0.03 in expensive places)?
- coldbrew
GoogleTV's a slow go, no fresh content, need real-time channels like the New Hour
- cliveb
really good video from individuals is huge on youtube
- Kevin Marks
did you see the Portal mini-movie?
- Kevin Marks
Apple Closing NYC Retail Stores Ahead of Hurricane Irene - Mac Rumors http://bit.ly/r93aAJ
- Ankush Narula
will Apples privacy issues get better or worse?
- #Robert Redl
Whats next? It's a big black cube-shaped computer that the web was invented on. But that's not important right now.
- Kevin Marks
until news streams live (like Al Jazeera), I'll still have a television
- Karoli
This is my first full Gillmor Gang. Extremely interactive with a Friend Feed comments and video. A great example of how TV changing
- Eric de Oude
I get streaming MSNBC on JustinTV, Karoli
- Francine Hardaway
I went to my housmates side of the house the other night after I drank a 12-pack, then I kicked the TV of the counter. :-)
- coldbrew
Woops.
- coldbrew
weird, Francine...I've tried a couple of times and can't get it for any length of time
- Karoli
nice to bring GoogleTV and G+ together
- cliveb
steve jobs took the mammal approach to hollywood too
- Kevin Marks
There are two sources. They don't stream LockUp
- Francine Hardaway
@robert - does twitter integration stretch farther into tv as it has on iOS and Mac?
- Mark Vaske
gah, gapping
- Kevin Marks
I don't see Apple doing a TV. I see them doing a box that is a lot better than the last box
- Eric de Oude
URL for the Portal Mini-movie? Went to ShowYou and found a zillion portal videos
- Francine Hardaway
Marks: Not sure what you mean by gapping, but stream was fluid here.
- coldbrew
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drucg1A6Xk
- Kevin Marks
bingo, doc.
- Karoli
thx
- Francine Hardaway
feck, I'm switching back to old skype, as I can only hear you now
- Kevin Marks
Doc is nailing it
- Ankush Narula
iPad TV is personal tv
- Mark Vaske
If only mythTV was easy to deal with (CLI mandatory).
- coldbrew
kevin is gone
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Doc always nails it
- Tina Chase Gillmor
called back, but now I can see and not hear. bugger
- Kevin Marks
Apple today removed tv rentals? Streaming?
- Mark Vaske
ok back
- Kevin Marks
send video Kevin
- Tina Chase Gillmor
sports, meh
- Kevin Marks
bueno
- Tina Chase Gillmor
though I suppose that works wiht twitter
- Kevin Marks
They need to do more with the Time Capsule. Probably hurt RAX, though.
- coldbrew
Most streamers are much better than the Apple TV. Check out the new Xtreamer Prodigy http://bit.ly/9DTN38
- Nir Ben Yona
"Disapora runs on Time Capsule" would be cool.
- coldbrew
PadFone
- Ankush Narula
Did Steve resign as pitchman for sure?
- Mark Vaske
It's the shiniest thing I've ever seen!!!!!!
- coldbrew
6x! just for Hardawy :-)
- coldbrew
they're all the same size in radians
- Kevin Marks
i've had several streaming devices but the Apple TV device is by far the one that works the best for me.
- Karoli
we will watch TV not with the people on the same couch, but via a "hangout"
- #Robert Redl
Did you see TIVO's earnings? I'll be brief_> awesome. They will be acquired
- coldbrew
Robert: exactly.
- Robert Scoble
coldbrew: nope. Got a URL?
- Robert Scoble
Ignore yesterday.
- Just Joe
Did you see AAPL today? http://www.google.com/finance...
- Ankush Narula
"ghosting" like they do on twitter
- #Robert Redl
Ignore will let you cull your incoming feed
- Christian Burns
Louis Gray might have been the one to push for the ignore.
- Just Joe
they've been testing the ignore button on people who have odd names like violet blue
- Kevin Marks
"Ignore" is the wrong terminology - they should have made it "Mute" or "Silence"
- Ankush Narula
Scoble: seekingalpha.com/transcripts/for/TIVO
- coldbrew
mute a post, ignore a person
- Christian Burns
you're great Steve
- Christian Burns
Googe's siphoning off Microsoft's best.
- cliveb
Cheers!
- Nir Ben Yona
getting more playing the game instead of just watching it
- Jerome Hughes
this has been a really good show
- Dale Lature
Sorry I only caught the end of this, stuck in Honolulu airport. Mahalo, Aloha over and out :) Will have to watch the recording...sounds like it was great.
- Charlie Isaacs
excellent Gang. Glad I caught it live
- Tom Guarriello
Ankush: yeah, AAPL is cheap at 11 times earnings.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still vibrating (idea wise, and writing things down) as I listen to this
- Dale Lature
Great Gang guys, keep listening to the future.
- Denise Howell
Steve, JP will be on?
- cliveb
Great show. so nice to be able to view it in real time. :)
- Karoli
Thanks! Cya all next time.
- Nir Ben Yona
Thanks! Informative, and thought provoking.
- Eric de Oude
Great show
- Francine Hardaway
from iPhone
the sing u stuff is great
- Kevin Marks
thanks everyone....you're all really great and I smiled a few times.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
First time sitting down to listen/watch this & really enjoyed it.
- Ian Murphy
RT @Notsalmon: It's easy to give up. To keep staying positive when others would understand if you stopped, THIS is TRUE STRENGTH. :) http://t.co/DBacC8B
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Social Broadcast Network - http://techcrunch.com/2011...
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Google+ is not on this list, yet. Mostly because I haven't got a handle on its core value as a news trigger. If you're Scoble, the value is obvious as he is now demonstrating by turning it into his blog. But sooner or later the service will have to decide what it wants to be when it grows up — a conversation hub with no tools for rapid synthesis of knowledge, a social graph to challenge Twitter (it's getting there fast), or some other thing perhaps more substantial than currently appreciated, like a stalking horse for YouTube live streaming aka the social broadcast network.
- Steve Gillmor
Debt Ceiling Debate Data Point: Surprise, U.S. Debt is Falling - The Curious Capitalist - TIME.com - http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2011...
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"The research arm of the consulting firm McKinsey recently took a look at the data on debt levels in a number of countries with so-called developed economies. What they found would probably surprise most Tea Partiers. The U.S.'s overall debt - which is government debt plus individual household debt plus corporate debt and bank debt - when compared to our GDP, which is how most economists look at these things, is actually much lower than many other developed nations. Overall, the U.S. and its citizens owe a little over $41 trillion. That, of course, is a lot of money. But when compared to the U.S. GDP, it's not a shockingly bad number. In fact, it's pretty good, when compared to other nations. The U.S.'s debt is equal to 275% of our GDP. That percentage for the United Kingdom is over 450%. Japan's overall debt-to-GDP is about the same as the U.K. Spain comes in at nearly 350%, and France's debt is above 300%. Our debt level is about the same as Germany, which everyone think is pulling...
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- Cliff Gerrish
from Bookmarklet
I am just curious - How many of my subscribers are still in active mode on FF? I would much rather get a response than a guess. Thanks,
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I'm splitting my time.
- Spidra Webster
I'm also splitting my time but not very active on G+
- comix aka martha
I'm as active as I can be on the Internet these days.
- joey
1/3 here, 2/3 over there.
- caj needs a haircut
Another time-splitter here.
- Mark H
i'm still around
- WarLord
I've been playing with the new toy, but I'm still commenting and keeping up over here.
- Eric
I'm still here pretty much exclusively. I won't hang out on G+ until it's a little more iPad friendly since that's my main way of being online.
- Fikisha
Still FF for the most part.
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I'm still spending more time here than there. I've been slacking on my online time lately, though.
- ha3rvey (Hugs 50% off!)
from fftogo
I'm still 3/4 of my time here, 1/4 over on G+ -- there are still too many awesome content things going on here, and many people that haven't migrated, to really push that a different direction yet.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I'm semi-active. I make one post each day of my daily sketches, at the very least. I don't like G+ and I'm not using it.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
I'm still here.
- imabonehead
from Android
About as active on FF as I ever was, which is checking in maybe 2-3 times a day. But I'm starting to think social media has eaten my brain.
- Corinne L
here, active.
- Marianne
Down to about 70% active as before, but that's because of the slow down. Probably about 50% as active as I should be over there. Still trying to find the ropes. Friendfeed: Active; G+: Semi-active.
- Jimminy, CoG of FF
I'm here.
- Katy S
As often as possible.
- ronin
Still active, I think. I come here daily.
- Brome
Splitting time. I am not sure what my percentage is at the moment...
- JA Castillo
Active
- Alex Scrivener
active, well as active as I am :)
- Scott (Honey Boo-Boo!)
Less active, but I have cut back on social media time in general. Looked a G+ a couple of times, but still haven't felt the urge to post.
- The Amber
I'm still here. Although there's things I like about G+, I just can't quit ff
- Tamara
Still here.
- cdogzilla | downgraded
I'm still active, splitting my time here, there, and elsewhere.
- John (bird whisperer)
Still active, but spread thinner than before.
- Jandy
Still active here.
- CarlC
Wow, hardly the full 600 plus I have but good to know some are still going strong. Connie, I feel your pain.
- Brent - Yes I am
I'm here more than on G+, but with my packing for my move and recent traveling I haven't been here as much as usual.
- Mark J
I'm around.
- <3Heather<3
Still here.
- Vicarbott
I'm here more than there
- Elena
yup
- ωαřмaiden ☆TeamOtto☆
Still here. I won't abandon the place where Scott & I met and fell in love.
- Mary Carmen
Here, there, and everywhere. :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Here more than elsewhere.
- Stephen Mack
from iPhone
I am still here...plenty...and likely not going anywhere. The time I spend on facebook will now be split between facebook and G+, because I will not allow it to cut into my friendfeed time.
- April
im still here. lost track of how long I have been here. no plans to leave.
- Mike Nencetti
I'm here, still posting to the bookmarklet, still leaving comments and likes, still simultweeting my posts.
- Dennis Jernberg
Mostly here.
- laura x
Active here and elsewhere.
- John E. Bredehoft
I'm still here!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Here.
- Cristal Blue Persuasion
Continuous partial attention ;)
- Tinfoil 2.0
I stop many times to check out ff ...I think it's still AWESOME ...powerful site for connecting on ..seems no one is around much these days commenting and liking stuff ...is nice to see lots of comments and likes on this post. Have a great Monday !!
- Rickbischoff
still here.
- Joe The Sausage
spending time on both . . . much less time on facebook and twitter.
- Friar Will (:^)
Present.
- Kristin
I'm here more than there and I can't see that changing so long as FF still exists.
- ☆ Mellyboo ☆
still around.
- chrisofspades
here and there
- WoH: Minding her Steves
still here
- Kevin Johnson
o/
- Jemm
Ping! :)
- Pete
10% here, 10% g+, 110% Summer
- chaz2b
still here - I generally have to use tor or an out of country vpn to get to friendfeed, so that has always slowed down things a bit
- bob in SimCity
*waves* I'm here
- Starmama
from FFHound(roid)!
I am thinking there is still hope for FF - Yaaaaaaa!
- Brent - Yes I am
I am active on ff and haven't enough time for G+. :-)
- Maitani
I am too busy to figure out the Google+, then heard how Shevonne got blasted for posting questions. So I am here for the duration.
- Janet-The Bottley Crue
Yeah, I saw that too from Shevonne. Pretty weird stuff for sure.
- Brent - Yes I am
FF all the way, baby
- Slippy
Splitting time between here and Gee Plus
- G Dub of the Carolinas
It amuses me to have seen so many people in my feed saying that G+ is replacing FF. G+ is just like FB, and FB didn't replace FF. So. Anyway, I'm still here. I just have nothing to say lately. I think I'm burned out on being social right now.
- Hookuh Tinypants
It's still easier to share here.
- Morton Fox
I'm still 99% here though thanks to a FF I do have G+, I haven't looked at it enough to understand completely though.
- SteVe C
Am checking in several times a day. G+ is great, but FF is great as well! :)
- James Stratford
Hah.
- Rah-PM 2012
Here
- Just Katie
Present. Though bouncing between FF and G+.
- Kol Tregaskes
I'm in vacation mode. Found your post via "Best of Week"
- Bruce Lewis
Back and forth. I'm graduating over but like the familiarity of my FF feed and great peeps
- Fossil Huntress
I'm here...rarely...but I'm here.
- David Cook
Here!
- Anne Bouey
Not actually a subscriber, but I stick around.
- Dennis Jernberg
I am kinda sorta pretty often…? Does that count? ::thunk thunk thunk:: Is this thing on?
- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
Crawling back :)
- Brent
hmm....
- Brent
What?
- Eric
RT @jayrosen_nyu: For those who are asking: Yes, I think News Corp. is a criminal organization and I said so before the current crisis. https://twitter.com/#!...
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Just spent a coupla hours dozing & reading with the very best company. Life is good. - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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RT @DougWimbish: Ran into Aron who works with @Metallica Friend of Gary MF Williams the person who gave me my first bass lesson. ARON IN THE HOUSE !!!!!!
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Gillmor Gang, recording live today 10am PST participate at http://www.building43.com/realtim...
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Hanging out, waiting for the famous call on Skype.
- Robert Scoble
oops.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
you can mute a post, though.
- Laura Norvig
what!!!??? no Tina?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
it's not gillmor gang ready, but it would work for people who share and take turns ;-)
- Laura Norvig
we need a tina
- Kevin Marks
do hangouts get recorded?
- Kevin Marks
Great...now I have to worry about losing my job ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Still waiting for a Google Plus invite. Anyone got spares?
- Shafi Ahmed
The android app is pretty cool.
- Kevin Mullett
the notifications are really ... SQUIRREL
- Laura Norvig
lol @laura
- Kevin Mullett
Tina should be an inset on the video feed, interpreting the comments of the Gang with sign language or pantomime. :)
- Alex de Soto
Alex he,he
- Tina Chase Gillmor
It always seems to come down to noise control. include/exclude
- Kevin Mullett
I hate that you can only see all of the people someone is following rather than how their circles are arranged. I realize that's a privacy issue, but it means I have to build the same list of Librarians that all my other librarian peeps are building also.
- Laura Norvig
kinda quiet in here wonder where everyone could be ;)
- tylergillies
listening intently?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
And sparks are nothing more than RSS where they pick it for you. I expected some way to vote up or down the feed.
- Kevin Mullett
Your not in the right circles tyler, chats going crazy over here
- Paul E. Ester
the senders can control the noise - they can create a circle they share VC relavent stuff with. But they have to choose to share with you...
- jay morris
audio cutting out a bit for me. could just be my desktop choking under the load of having this and plus open at the same time ...
- Laura Norvig
+1, Tyler!
- Laura Norvig
18 comments on G+ and 15 likes.
- Todd Hoff
invite, please? tia!
- Jerome Hughes
i have invites...was looking for ya the other day.
- Karoli
whats up with upstream?
- tylergillies
ustream?
- tylergillies
damn safari autocomplete
- tylergillies
ah, it's not just me then.
- Laura Norvig
invites for G+ still havent opened up
- Kashif Khan
video is great here, just occasional freeze
- Paul E. Ester
sqwauk!
- Jerome Hughes
Have a friend use the "share" button to send you a message via your gmail account. That has triggered letting friends in many times.
- Kevin Mullett
when i first logged on to plus it said I had a person blocked already. I think I had flagged this person in gmail.
- Laura Norvig
is there a close comments feature on plus?
- Laura Norvig
it's the Zooey Deschanel problem http://hellogiggles.com/if-you-...
- Kevin Marks
I need Robert's Google cup. I will cut to it whenever I see it. Google, Google, I need that cute cup.
- Tina Chase Gillmor
facebook feels quite lethargic in contrast to G+ (and friendfeed for that matter)
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
@Jerome I don't seem to have your email address. :(
- Karoli
google+ is friendfeed++
- tylergillies
I blame Josh Haley.
- Laura Norvig
Robert--train your VC's re: what to post.
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
VC's are always posting lolcats
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
http://abhijeetdesai.blogspot.com/2011... guys c these changes i propose to google+
- Abhijeet Desai
again, the senders can choose who they are sharing with...
- jay morris
jromeh at gmail, thx Karoli! :D
- Jerome Hughes
that's your defense against noise. use the filters/circles.
- Laura Norvig
there more talk in here than on the g+ thread
- tylergillies
it's more frictionless here, tyler.
- Laura Norvig
oh had to refresh
- tylergillies
Man, this place is crowded!
- Ciro Villa
I want to be able to create a circle from my Google groups memberships.
- Karoli
but theres still more here
- tylergillies
Karoli, that totally makes sense.
- Laura Norvig
VCs have lives too, Robert.
- Laura Norvig
I disagree the upfeed didnt kill Buzz - the security scare in first 48 hours did.
- CHRIS VOSS
changes to the stream in google+ i propose have a look guys http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj
- Abhijeet Desai
convore should be studied...good use of groups
- paisano
we should be able to add google calendar, docs and disco to google plus panel
- paisano
anyone heard about invites opening up?
- CHRIS VOSS
convore just didn't seem to catch that mass required.
- Kevin Mullett
someone suggested a toggle/sort between chronological and recently commented on. that would be cool.
- Laura Norvig
there is a way to invite people by sharing a post u make
- Abhijeet Desai
i'll be happy when people go away ;)
- tylergillies
Twitter isn't noisy because you have to go actually find the conversation, it's not presented to you.
- Todd Hoff
+1 todd
- tylergillies
Leo?
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Too funny, but really if you have a problem seeing Scobles stuff dont follow, He usually has the most interesting info and after a while as more people join it
- CHRIS VOSS
how do you separate social from interest?
- Karoli
@CHRISVOSS, they have not opened up, but SOME are still making it in. http://bit.ly/j2RckM
- Kevin Mullett
Topic streams (like hashtags) would be good. Can you search "circles" by topic? Sorry, I don't have Google+
- Alex de Soto
@Kevin - ya I had like 18 new people this morning
- CHRIS VOSS
not seeing video. has the show started?
- George Herndon
@kevin I have like 24 people who still havent answered their mail. Maybe I should try just adding one email and calling a friend. Is this working for anyone else.
- CHRIS VOSS
Facebook did not kill FriendFeed; the users killed it!
- Ciro Villa
I think Facebook has helped train the masses to interact in a more Friendfeed-ish way so they *might* be ready for Plus.
- Laura Norvig
My dog photos are on lol
- CHRIS VOSS
@Chirs I was using the share button (top right) and adding their email individually.
- Kevin Mullett
@kevin - thanks and that worked? I'll try it.
- CHRIS VOSS
cat photos or photos of Louis Gray's cute kids...all the same thing lol
- paisano
plz tell me what u think of http://yfrog.com/gzhyclyj on @abhijeetdesai #googleplus
- Abhijeet Desai
yeah, just like profiles for google apps users is coming ...
- Laura Norvig
I think Scobles very right - I'm putting my family on google+ so we can do video chat for free over Skype - its also awesome for business video conferencing
- CHRIS VOSS
Scoble Vic said on TWIG that the video codec has not been selected yet and they are testing several different ones. So to say this video is best of breed could be premature.
- adolfo foronda
@LauraNorvig: Yep, I've talked about the FriendFeedization of Facebook, they got used to likes, events, link sharing (although most don't remove the URL from the publisher before posting). We must not forget that with time, users are evolving as more productive users and that they use more tools when forced into daily pageviews and such.
- Zu from AOD
can I request google plus invite here?
- Shoukat Dharani
Kids are going to LOVE the video component of Plus
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Seems like Tindychat, but better resolution, with people you know.
- Kevin Mullett
++Tina
- Zu from AOD
Tina, that is so true!
- Laura Norvig
@shoukout I need your gmail account for that
- Kevin Mullett
google+ hangout + kinect
- tylergillies
Vic also announced on TWIG that they would support Apple
- adolfo foronda
Thanks Kevin!
- Alex de Soto
yeah steve is just critical of everything
- tylergillies
Hangout seems like it will be an awesome work tool.
- Laura Norvig
will hangout kill the tricaster?
- Paul E. Ester
WHY are we hearing the gentlemens comments who HASNT tried Google+ As respectfully as I can say it, it seems hes left making up talking points without the information of experience.
- CHRIS VOSS
And he keeps dominating.
- CHRIS VOSS
I don't think Bradley's current hangout is public, I don't see it in his stream.
- Laura Norvig
@ALex, you're welcome.
- Kevin Mullett
++TylerGillies Hangout & a Kinect hack would rule, just have to find some good use of the tech.
- Zu from AOD
Hey Voss... it is The GILLMOR Gang ;-)
- Tina Chase Gillmor
LOL
- tylergillies
@Scobleizer, liked your post re Google+ and grandmothers
- JP Rangaswami
@Tina my first time, lol is this normal? lol
- CHRIS VOSS
JP!
- tylergillies
LOL @Tina flashing Steve's name on screen!
- Laura Norvig
Buzz exists for feed importing, I don't see why it would be forced into + as it helps people focus on manual sharing/writing. Information overload fixed temporarily.
- Zu from AOD
Conversations start from inputs that often come from other feeds. Those need to be imported.
- Todd Hoff
my friendfeed was left for dead and used only for aggregation.
- Kevin Mullett
Pretty much Voss. You'll getit after a few times
- Tina Chase Gillmor
i am facing problem with the stream . anyone elase ??
- Abhijeet Desai
@tyler yes?
- JP Rangaswami
@Todd it depends. Since I spend so much time on Friendfeed, I enjoy seeing aggregated stuff, even from people who no longer converse there. Plus has to decide what it is, what it is for. Can't have cake and eat it too.
- Laura Norvig
Voss there are archives, including audio only daze.
- Jerome Hughes
JP i met you at defrag, i work with marshallk at rww
- tylergillies
So make two cakes Laura? :-)
- Todd Hoff
stream is a little weird today
- Tina Chase Gillmor
If have a feed stream I would like to have an easy way to move to the conversational stream. I can do it by hand but it's often too much work.
- Todd Hoff
Maybe when developers get a hold of APIs there will be some killer client overlay thingy. So I can see ONE of what someone posted in multiple places but ALL of the conversations on ALL of the platforms. I wish.
- Laura Norvig
dont we all communicate toall top brands on twitter & not email ???
- Abhijeet Desai
Email is like a call control setup. It's starts the conversation between unknown parties. Try contacting you don't know without email. It's nearly impossible. After you connect then you skype, chat, or whatever.
- Todd Hoff
Abhijeet: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Messages to a known address that I control and can use cross platform? No that is not going away.
- Kevin Mullett
All subscription systems needs an email. Maybe not for discussion between friends, but businesses are using it a lot, sometimes just so they don't use a public email system and have internal discussions. Could be done in a 'corporate social network', but I don't see that soon.
- Zu from AOD
Its was a pleasure to hang out with you all - see you on google+
- CHRIS VOSS
\o, CVOSS
- Zu from AOD
so ya email usage is reducing . but dont know if it will go away . may be it will become like post is 2day
- Abhijeet Desai
Fun to see the small packets of impressions at 3 degrees of separation.
- Zu from AOD
https://plus.google.com/1153519... says 5000 limit
- Kevin Marks
Userscripts for power users? Else, maybe just a text-mode feed would cut it (as the Photos section which strips down the text).
- Zu from AOD
Also liked the "is this really Tom from MySpace" conversation last night https://plus.google.com/u...
- Kevin Marks
Right now +1s from the web are on a separate tab, don't go directly to the main feed.
- Laura Norvig
I don't know why they didn't build in a cadmus, summify, my6sense type system. Heck I would like a collapse button.
- Kevin Mullett
@Kevin, that was golden. "Tom, I think you're my friend on MySpace!"
- Laura Norvig
In other news...Facebook is experiencing technical difficulties...
- Ciro Villa
Collapse all would be cool.
- Laura Norvig
Multiple shares would have to be stringed together like on FB. "4 of your friends shared this"
- Zu from AOD
give me that cup!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
was there a conversation about today's gillmor gang on Plus? I can't find it. When I go to Steve's stream I see nothing.
- Laura Norvig
ice burn!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
the Wired article was pretty intense. A do or die proposition.
- Laura Norvig
Takeout.
- Laura Norvig
Just Scoble for now http://goo.gl/pOqx1
- Zu from AOD
thx, Zu.
- Laura Norvig
lol @ Google Freakout 9)
- Zu from AOD
there were several, laura. One in robert's stream, one in mine, one in johns. No hashtags, you see
- Kevin Marks
my head hurts. thx, Kevin.
- Laura Norvig
Twitter is absolutely tempting fate by messing with the API
- Kevin Mullett
Hey guys, joining in a bit late!
- Nir Ben Yona
Don't see any public posts KMarks, must be why I haven't seen it from you. // Hey Nir!
- Zu from AOD
woo FF... Steve sees FF in plus just like we do.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Ah, yeah, you most have posted to circles, not public, Kevin.
- Laura Norvig
Hey Zu :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Now how weird is it for Bret Taylor to have gone from google to FF to Facebook and now see this FFey google product come out to indirectly challenge Facebook?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I like that, the revenge of FF.
- Bluesun 2600
werd, Daniel!
- Laura Norvig
@Daniel lol, that surely is, what goes around comes in circles..
- Zu from AOD
Thanks for joining us! Now back to G+!
- Robert Scoble
so, who wants to try hangout?
- Kevin Marks
Nice show. Thanks for joining a bit early this time! People in the chat... you are awesome!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
Gillmor Gang hangout party :)
- Nir Ben Yona
watched the recorded version many times live one is awesome
- Abhijeet Desai
I'd like to try it with my iPhone as a remote webcam for my PC, just have to set some things before.
- Zu from AOD
i mean Gilmore gang
- Abhijeet Desai
That's Gillmor... 2 "Ls" no "E"
- Tina Chase Gillmor
thanks for helping me understand this new toy...good to see y'all again.
- Karoli
sorry I was so chatty today. stayed up LATE plussing last night!
- Laura Norvig
please don't apologize for being chatty. Glad you were here!
- Tina Chase Gillmor
hmm... still no invites coming through... perhaps G's way of saying "get to work!" :D
- Jerome Hughes
I'm not at my computer now but when i'm done painting this godforsaken furniture I'll try sharing something with you...see if that works.
- Karoli
thanks again, Karoli!
- Jerome Hughes
hmmm. I can't figure out how the heck to share with one person who isn't on this thing...still some interface issues for them to iron out.
- Karoli
Google in Preliminary Talks To Buy Hulu [REPORT] http://mashable.com/2011... via @mashablemedia @mashable
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"SocketStream is a new full stack web framework built around the Single-page Application paradigm."
- Cliff Gerrish
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"As the article described, part of the banks security infrastructure included risk-based security based on RSA’s Cyota product, which “rates the riskiness of transactions by using several factors, such as the location of a user’s Internet address, when and how often the user logs in, and how the customer navigates the site”. This actually provides a much better layer of protection than simply authenticating the user based on passwords. Context-based security is a key element in the multi-layered security architecture that is the future of enterprise security, as I laid out in my recent talk."
- Cliff Gerrish
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Well now these are better :D
- comix aka martha
Yeah, but not quite as casual. I wear Dockers khakis every day to work.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Oh - black shoes! With laces!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
*facepalm*
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
The problem is that we don't know enough. We need more information - like what your break is going to be like.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I may have awakened the neighborhood. :D *high fives WoH*
- Lisa L. Seifert | FHG™
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I'm ex-Air Force...I go full break.
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
WoH just killed me deader than dead.
- Anika
LOL you guys are just the best!
- comix aka martha
The best except when it comes to giving me usable shoe buying advice. :p
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Darn now there is tea all over - snort
- comix aka martha
Not my style
- chrisofspades
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