Responses to "Climategate"--the leaked e-mails from Britain's University of East Anglia and its Climatic Research Unit--remind me of the line "Are your feet wet? Can you see the pyramids? That's because you're in denial." Climate catastrophists like Al Gore and the UN's Rajendra Pachauri are downplaying Climategate: it's only a few intemperate scientists; there's no real evidence of wrongdoing; now let's persecute the whistleblower. In Calgary, the latest fellow trying to use the Monty Python "nothing to see here, move along" routine is Prof. David Mayne Reid, who penned a column last week denying the importance of Climategate. Unfortunately for Reid, old saws won't work in the Internet age: Climategate has blazed across the Internet, blogosphere, and social networking sites. Even environmentalist and writer George Monbiot has recognized that the public's perception of climate science will be damaged extensively, calling for one of the Climategate ringleaders to resign. What's...
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- Eric Logan
from Bookmarklet
Adding "climate catastrophist" to my Dictionary of Ridicule. Thanks a lot, Eric :)
- LANjackal
Here, smoke this cigarette, and another, and another. Trust me, they're harmless. It's really unfortunate that people now have even more "reason" to continue destroying the Earth. Anyone that doesn't want to move to renewable energy is profiting from our current, unsustainable system and/or an idiot, plain and simple. Neither reason is a good reason not to invest in renewable energy....
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- ·[▪_▪]·
Robot: you're confusing energy independence - the lack of a need to rely on foreign energy sources - with environmental friendliness. In many cases the 2 goals are at loggerheads. This confusion is part of the reason we've thrown billions at politically rosy but pragmatically unworkable "solutions" such as ethanol and hydrogen. The jury's still out on whether former is actually a net...
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- LANjackal
And I'm not saying we shouldn't invest in renewable energy. We should. But any technology that can't stand on its own in the free market without govt assistance is *economically* unsustainable in the long run. There are no free lunches.
- LANjackal
It is easy to see your angle on this argument Robot. The fact of the matter is that the alarmist agenda of the IPCC, is a political tactic to push legislation "Cap and Trade" that is not designed to tackle the extremes of climate change if you accept them at their word. The entire topic is filled with disinformation and how much forcing is actually occurring due to CO2 should be a scientifically determined, paramount endeavor not a political exercise.
- Eric Logan
No, i'm not confusing energy independence and environmental friendliness. They are one in the same. Energy independence in the sense of independence from limited resources. Limited resources means limited energy, which translates into supply and demand economics, which implies control and distribution, which is a dependency. The only solution to the dependency is renewable or, better,...
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- ·[▪_▪]·
"It's in the market's best interest to remain on unsustainable path we're on until the very last ounce of resources are depleted." - That's what people who don't understand economics would have you believe. As conventional resources become scarce, their prices will increase. This naturally spurs a search for a cheaper alternative. For example, much of the current push toward efficient...
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- LANjackal
from IM
My mention of "Plants get their energy for free" is in reference to the fact that access to the sun's energy is FREE, not that there isn't a cost in extracting the energy. The point i'm making, that you seem so intent on assuming i'm clueless about, is that the recurring costs of solar can be far less than the cost of all other sources of energy. Also, the reliability is assuming we...
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- ·[▪_▪]·
Energy production transitions will occur when cost per mega watt/hour metrics are competitive or advantageous for new methods. Solar energy production despite recent technological improvements still costs $ 160.00 per mega watt /hour according to D.O.E. estimates. Traditional fired plant based generation gas, coal and nuclear all average approx $ 60.00 per mega watt/hour. The only presently viable clean emission technology that meets demand requirements and cost efficiencies is nuclear energy.
- Eric Logan
Amen brother Hallelujah preach the Gospel. Glad someone sees the light :)
- LANjackal
from IM
Maybe the best solution is a multifaceted solution. When issues get so complex you can't look at a single cause for the problem, it seems to me the complication allows for diversity in the solution(s). No, sun isn't consistent in all places. But I don't think it has to be. The structure of relying on one source of energy has general caused people to assume you need a direct replacement....
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- Heather
Nuclear is a great alternative. If Americans would stop criticizing the French and realize we can learn some things from them, we might be able to move to nuclear. Nuclear provides almost 80% of France's power and their safety record is excellent. But to follow their lead would require strict regulations to ensure the plants are built and run to very high standards. Something the...
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- ·[▪_▪]·
Nice to hear that from you, robot. Actually the US *already* has strict nuke regs. Too strict, as a matter of fact. That's why no new nuclear plants have been built here for decades. As for spilling waste, I'm an engineer and am very familiar with reactor design. Next gen units are in fact extremely safe with multiple redundancies. The ironic thing is that the increase in the "strict...
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- LANjackal
from IM
Your point about regulations preventing movement is a perfect example of exactly why capitalism, er, a free market, doesn't work in some scenarios and why governments must be involved in certain sectors to see progress in the public's best interest. Capitalism is all, and only, concerned with profitability, sometimes at the public's expense, quite often, not even to the public's...
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- ·[▪_▪]·
"When lives are at stake, it's better to be too strict and back away over time" - With that kind of attitude it's no wonder we haven't built anything new. Why did you suggest nuclear as a solution if you're unwilling to create the legislative environment for it? Many of the rules for nuke plants just plain aren't necessary, aren't reflective of advancements in the field, or were slapped...
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- LANjackal
from IM
I'm not sure nuclear is really as harmless as you guys make it sound. I know it's not as bad as most people think, but like with any technology there are drawbacks. Nuclear plants require water for cooling, and the most efficient way is to plop down on a river and suck in the passing cool water and send the heated water out downstream. Hot water in a stream is not natural and can...
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- Heather
@Heather That's definitely a concern, but I think the alternative of nuclear is much better than fossil fuels. But like you said before, it will probably take a multi-faceted approach to solve the energy problem. No one tech is going to be the answer.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
"Nuclear plants require water for cooling" - Newsflash buddy: ALL steam-driven powerplants (combustion + steam cycle, nuclear, solar thermal) require cooling. The amount of cooling required is a function of the power output of the plant, NOT the generation method. Translation: a 1600MW solar thermal plant will require just as much cooling and discharge just as much hot water as a 1600MW...
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- LANjackal
from IM
@LAN - I think Heather's point about the cooling is that nuclear plants dump their waste water (which is much warmer than the natural water of the environment) is dumped back in to their surroundings. From what I've heard, they use a ton of it.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Shey: ALL steam-based powerplants do that ...
- LANjackal
@LAN It would be interesting to see a comparison of what the volume output of water per watt created would be
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
That's a routine calculation, see any applications of thermodynamics textbook
- LANjackal
"Your point about regulations preventing movement is a perfect example of exactly why capitalism, er, a free market, doesn't work in some scenarios and why governments must be involved in certain sectors to see progress in the public's best interest." I don't understand this or am having trouble parsing it. If regulations, created and enforced by the government, are preventing movement,...
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- Andy Bakun
+1 Andy. BTW it IS possible to build a nuclear plant that uses less water *per se* by using Helium as the working fluid instead. But wait: that would be a brand new design, which means it would have to go through years of hurdling objections by people who couldn't even tell you how their car works much less a goddamn power plant. Thankfully the rest of the world isn't retarded and is...
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- LANjackal
from IM
Helium : "At our current rate of consumption, Cliffside will likely be empty in 10 to 25 years, and the Earth will be virtually helium-free by the end of the 21st century. " http://www.wired.com/wired...
- ZN Moment
According to Scientific American's October 2009 issue, most of the world's fossil fuel (including natural gas) deposits remain either unexplored or beyond the reach of *current* technology. As the latter improves, so will the proven (the technicality here is that "proven" refers to stuff that can be economically extracted, which means that it changes with time, technology, and prices)...
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- LANjackal
from IM
Wow, I really didn't think my comment warranted that kind of response. I guess this topic is reserved for those with technical expertise in physics, thermodynamics, engineering, chemistry... what did I miss? I know I missed something. For some reason though, I thought a small amount of consideration for environmental impact was possible. I guess I'll shut up about the few things I know regarding this thread. (Oh, and I'm not your buddy, pal.)
- Heather
All I'm suggesting is that people inform themselves completely about a topic before camping out on a particular position. Technical topics are significantly more involved, which means the time and effort to reach an informed state will be relatively large. The same is true for law, which is one of the reasons I dutifully put "IANAL" before expressing a legal opinion online, for example
- LANjackal
from IM
So people who don't have "complete" knowledge shouldn't even think about taking sides? I'm seeing such a pathetically small amount of environmental consideration I can't believe this thread started about the environment.
- Heather
Seriously? *rolleyes* You denialists have it backwards. Climate change denialism is largely a product of the oil and coal industry. The "climategate" emails aren't worth mentioning. Even if you throw out everything they've ever done it wouldn't make any difference. The IPCC reports are arguably some of the most peer-reviewed scientific documents in history, and the IPCC is an...
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- Tanath
from fftogo
Way back in time, when the earth was flat and some whackjob proclaimed that no, it was round, I'm sure there were proclamations throughout the land that the science was in and everybody agreed.... And the whackjob was decried a heretic.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
@Heather: Also in reply to what you said - Exactly. If I'm not a doctor, then it doesn't matter what I think about whether a tumor is cancerous or not because I'm NOT a qualified expert. If that weren't the case, then college degrees, certifications, etc. would be pointless. Opening the decision making process to non-experts only results in poor decisions and doesn't improve the...
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- LANjackal
Science deals with evidence. There was never any evidence the world was flat. When people thought that (thousands of years ago), science as such didn't exist.
- Tanath
And there is a clear scientific consensus now on AGW. No scientific papers have been published in good peer-reviewed climatology journals contradicting the consensus in nearly the past 2 decades.
- Tanath
Your last statement Tanath tells me a lot about how much you have researched this topic. The Anglia e-mails themselves refer specifically to attempts to keep recent dissenting scientific views from being published in two peer reviewed journals the GRL = Geophysical Research Letters and the JGR = Journal of Geophysical Research. Here is a listing of 500 peer reviewed skeptical papers http://www.populartechnology.net/2009...
- Eric Logan
I was thinking of this meta-analysis done by Science (a premier peer-reviewed science journal): http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi... It's perfectly understandable to try to keep crap out of otherwise respectable journals. The science journal Nature (another premier peer-reviewed science journal) found nothing in the emails to undermine climate science: http://www.nature.com/nature...
- Tanath
How many of those papers are legitimate science though? How many of those journals are fronts for industry? How many of those authors are shills for same? See "Doubt is Their Product" for many examples of these. Industry has a history of creating sham science to cast doubt, prevent regulation and protect profits. The tobacco industry does it, industries relying on many various chemicals and other materials do it, and the oil, coal, and car industries do it with global warming.
- Tanath
@LAN- I had an entire class in college that was devoted to smacking the idea "Opening the decision making process to non-experts only results in poor decisions and doesn't improve the situation at all." in the face. Why are technical experts the only ones allowed opinions? When your doctor tells you "You need to loose weight" they don't put you in a weight lose clinic and keep you there...
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- Heather
Heather, authorities (eg., experts) are unreliable. The only things that are really reliable are logic and evidence. Even a survey of expert opinion can be unreliable. If you really want the truth you need to look at the evidence. And properly peer-reviewed science papers constitute the most reliable evidence we have.
- Tanath
Good old xkcd. :) Nothing I said should be construed as contradicting the spirit of that xkcd. Most non-experts just aren't equipped to contribute to any given technical field, but that doesn't change the fact that the only thing that's truly reliable is logic and evidence. Even experts fail to do so at times though.
- Tanath
I think it's also noteworthy that the vast majority of (english) books skeptical of AGW have been linked to conservative think tanks: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp...
- Tanath
Tanath "As for the CRU emails, they've been checked, and checked, and checked" Try "whitewashed" I know how to read and in the case of the e-mails no one has to depend on anyones separate analysis. Nature and The Climate Science watch journal use the exact same press release in the links you have provided. Seth Borenstein from the AP link is part of the story. In fact he penned this...
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- Eric Logan
Again, even if you throw out everything the CRU has done, it wouldn't make a difference to the climate science. The consensus would be the same. There's plenty of stuff out there adressing concerns about the emails if you care to look. And if you want to avoid bias you should be looking to disprove your preconcieved notions and doing just that.
- Tanath
from fftogo
So a journalist from the AP emails the CRU asking for an opinion on a "contrarian" paper in a journal he says is legit, and you want to claim something based on this?
- Tanath
from fftogo
There is no Consensus. Unless you count competing camps as a consensus. There is an alarmist AGW camp. There has been a lobbying effort by a vested interest anti-AGW camp. Discerning the truth and filtering out personal belief and bias is a learned discipline. I have read much more pro AGW material than dissent.
- Eric Logan
If you want to contest AGW, then OK, but "climategate" won't help your case.
- Tanath
from fftogo
That AP story is just an example of how closed the system is. In this example Phil Jones actually provides a good rebuttal to the publication in question. I do not need or intend to cherry pick the data. I am not personally an ideologue. When you are picked to serve as an impartial juror or arbiter, impartiality dictates that you recuse yourself if you have a relationship with the witnesses or facts of the case.
- Eric Logan
No consensus?! Now I know you haven't done your homework. The scientific literature shows a very clear consensus. The vast majority of those 500 papers supposedly contradicting the consensus actually don't argue against the consensus view. Some are in dubious journals, some are in a known denier journal, some are decades old, etc. But even if they were all good cites, it would still only comprise a fraction of the relevant literature.
- Tanath
from fftogo
I posted those 500 papers for expediency Tanath. You made the outlandish statement that there "has been no scientific papers that have been published in good peer-reviewed climatology journals contradicting the consensus in nearly the past 2 decades." I have tons more citations that are contained or bookmarked in my own computer many of which I have not had time to review or do not...
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- Eric Logan
By "denier journal" I mean a journal with a certain bias, denying the legitimate scientific consensus. Most are done by thinktanks and used as fronts for industry. Again, see "Doubt is Their Product" for many examples of this. The journal I'm referring to in this case is "Energy & Environment."
- Tanath
from fftogo
All words are labels. I used words that should have conveyed my meaning. And I still haven't seen anything that really contradicts my "outlandish" statement. Journals like Science and Nature are much more credible than random people on the web.
- Tanath
from fftogo
Your last statement completely illustrates another outlandish contradiction in your argument here. There where 19 citations among the 500 examples already provided that where published in the journal Nature. There were also 21 citations published in the journal Science. I can' t help you with cognitive dissonance or intellectual laziness. Here is a random sample http://www.nature.com/nature...
- Eric Logan
How about one that actually challenges the consensus? Why would Science have a survey of the literature finding no papers contradicting the consensus if they had published them in their own journal?
- Tanath
from fftogo
The meta analysis you link to is not produced by the journal it is a published essay written in 2004 by Naomi Oreskes. In the essay she reported an analysis of “928 abstracts, published in refereed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 and published in the ISI database with the keywords ‘global climate change’” It does not account for any published literature that does not include that phrase.
- Eric Logan
If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit? Just keep throwing more crap until they give up and go away. Good tactic.
- Tanath
from fftogo
Thanks for playing come back next year and try again. Tactic has apparently worked for the last two decades on you. ;-)
- Eric Logan
If you use the FriendFeed Facebook application make sure you've configured it properly. We are switching to a new method of publishing in the not too distant future. If you see this message at http://apps.facebook.com/friendf... just click on the link to provide the proper permissions. (via http://friendfeed.com/bgolub...)
A little late on the info as I deleted this link last week at I was told I was pushing all of my FF to FB people were not happy.
- Ed Mason
I took mine off as well, Ed. Aside from the excess amount of FF content on my FB wall, I also didn't want my IRL friends to pry TOO MUCH into the rest of my online.life. :D
- Helen Sventitsky
why do you not post the link comments from friendfeed to the wall? just the links loses 80% of the value.
- Gregor J. Rothfuss
I'm tired the FriendFeed Facebook app. keeps asking me to fix "the problem" so it can post to my wall. I don't want it to post to my wall! Contacts on Facebook and FriendFeed are different types for me. On Facebook it's about being friends in real life, on FriendFeed it is about interests. At least that is how I use FF and FB. My Facebook friends would probably feel I was spamming uninteresting stuff if my FF posts where copied to FB (well, at least if I used FF so intensive as I want to:-))...
- Stig Nygaard
Please let us select what to publish on FB from FF? I'd rather have tweets not appear on FB, particularly as I post from Ping.fm to FB and Twitter.
- Kol Tregaskes
New publishing method? I hope nothing will change for those FF users who don't use Facebook. (am I alone here?)
- Olivia Lovag
from twhirl
I agree with Gregor ... By not having the comment sent with the link, it's just plain and boring and I'd rather just post directly to Facebook. Unfortunately, however, this would negate the very useful benefit of using the "Share on FriendFeed" bookmarklet.
- Dewade Fowler
Sadly, not only have I not seen half of the movies on this list, I've never even heard of half the movies on this list.
- Glen, Bespectacled Elder
from Bookmarklet
"If you’re a GNOME Do user, you will have probably heard of Docky when it was introduced as a theme in Do 0.8. Docky has split from Do into a separate project and has become a full featured dock."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
I'm a big fan of AWN, any big advantages over AWN?
- Mitchell McKenna
I'm currently using Crunchbang, so I can't speak to how well it works.
- Steven Perez
"More importantly to a VC, imagine funding a startup whose offering depended on the use of a service provider’s last mile. Without net neutrality, there would be no guarantee of a free and open market and by extension no guarantee of the delivery of goods and services. Such an environment would hinder, not foster, innovation and economic growth — core principles of capitalism and venture capital investing. Startups need the ability to buy services from providers on a fair and level playing field — even if their services may compete with those of the provider itself."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
"It's not elegant and it's not sexy – it looks like a large photocopier – but the Espresso Book Machine is being billed as the biggest change for the literary world since Gutenberg invented the printing press more than 500 years ago and made the mass production of books possible. Launching today at Blackwell's Charing Cross Road branch in London, the machine prints and binds books on demand in five minutes, while customers wait. Signalling the end, says Blackwell, to the frustration of being told by a bookseller that a title is out of print, or not in stock, the Espresso offers access to almost half a million books, from a facsimile of Lewis Carroll's original manuscript for Alice in Wonderland to Mrs Beeton's Book of Needlework. [...]"
- ianf ⌘
from Bookmarklet
Right now these machines cost a bundle, but, with economies of scale, can "One Hour Bookstores" be far behind? Goodbye print-on-demand, welcome print-on-a-whimsy cottage industry!
- ianf ⌘
The great question is why order from Amazon, when you could pop in and have it made up for you, whilst you wait.
- zeroinfluencer
Perhaps. It rather depends on the range (breadth) of genres and back-order titles in each venue. Traditional publishing is in many senses a license to print money, and so the industry isn't too keen on giving it up. If "Expressoed" copies turn out to be as costly as traditional ones, prospective buyers may opt for better "offline" quality from the big A. Then again, they may not... book...
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- ianf ⌘
Amazon has been using print-on-demand at their processing centers for a while to handle low-volume titles, the logical next step is for it to move out even closer to the end users. Its very similar to the fax machine actually: initially FedEx installed fax machines at their local offices and offered fax as a premium service, sending the fax across the country to the nearest FedEx office...
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- DGentry
Denton, indeed. Thus on-demand is not a product; imagine the use case: I'm about to take a journey. book a flight, it's long haul, so I order a book (profile & recommendations); the book stand at the airport prints it up for me ready for collection on the way through to departure lounge (or collect at departure as business service).
- zeroinfluencer
Yes, Denton, but there always will be that £175.000 threshold such a machine costs, which will limit frequency of their occurrence. Amazon may yet end up the winner, because of the economies of scale in distrubution, esp. if/ when beleaguered traditionals elect to lower their prices to stay afloat. It's tricky business really.
- ianf ⌘
Think of the remix capabilities too. Selection of chapters from different books. Pick and Mix editorial in a book format, lovely. Just in time + bespoke = everyone's happy.
- zeroinfluencer
You can dream, David, but this won't be happening for a long time yet. Simple reason, copyrights. As with daily newspapers where you have to buy it all, but nobody expects you to read it cover to cover, so books are largely made up of parts you will read, those that you might, and those you'll perhaps browse through (all too often, I am afraid). Publishers will not permit selling of just some topical chapters of interest to you, you'll have to buy all the "superfluous" ones as well. Alas.
- ianf ⌘
Bad analogy, also American-parochial one I'm afraid. You do not "subscribe" to chapters of books floating by, you buy a book whether you only intend to read the tasty bits on pages 92-101.
- ianf ⌘
I've been playing around with FriendFeed and this http://www.tabbloid.com/, to get nice productions as PDFs. The source of 'content' will depend on the open licence of creative commons BY-SA, and artists are getting to understand that. Stephen Fry on Twitter for example.
- zeroinfluencer
Consumption/use habits are based upon what the technology of the time allows/affords. DRM tried to play havoc with the watching experience.
- zeroinfluencer
Good concept but, unless you can freely mix-and-match, and you'll never be able to provide just that to general public, a niche product. Even if well executed one, as this seems to me. That said, I dislike PDFs just for the reason that they make potentially dynamic information static, and kowtow to absolute page extent aesthetics even on a screen.
- ianf ⌘
I've read about these "Things Our Friends Have Written On The Internet 2008" which is a niche product with an enormous production cost-to-distribution ratio. Author never says what they charged for the 1000 numbered copies, but I bet it was a bundle, £39.95? Only when there are fully automated tools to do that (perhaps a suitable application for Wolfram/Alpha?) could this become of use for the public @large...
- ianf ⌘
They never charged for the paper - it was an experiment / proof of concept - I've got a copy - it's lovely. Yes, nice inclusion for Alpha.
- zeroinfluencer
Nice (badly hidden envy), but it makes it even more of a vanity project. Tried to look it up on ebay (0 items found), and google for a copy for sale, without much success <http://google.com/search...>
- ianf ⌘
I live VERY CLOSE to this store. If I try it out, I'll take pictures and post!
- Zach Landes
Here's a movie of the EBM 2.0 in action <http://www.youtube.com/watch...>. Perhaps, for a change, you should just walk in, cup in hand, and ask for an "Espresso"? (refill optional). Then curse them loudly for misinforming the public (and photograph that instead!)
- ianf ⌘
I am actually seriously considering doing that. Good idea, ian
- Zach Landes
What would make this a real bonus is when they can come out with the color edition. Ok, so I am thinking comic books here, but what an awesome way for a small comic artist to do on demand comics.
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Dan, all dandy, except it won't be happening, not in this iteration of EBM. It's strictly publisher-controlled selective-backlist only, no option to come in from the street with print-ready manuscript in hand and do a small print run. Or, should that eventually be on offer, it will be prohibitively expensive.
- ianf ⌘
Hold on, I need to amend the above. In the video at around 50 secs mark, it is claimed that the client CAN upload own file, either electronically or from a CD. That information hasn't been mentioned in any press report about it that I've read - so the EBM can be made to accept non-list matter, but perhaps it is up to the actual machine's owner (in this case either Blackwell's or some...
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- ianf ⌘
Meanwhile, there's a better quality (same as above promotional) video here <http://www.boston.com/video...> and a Boston Globe report of a local Espresso installation says this: »[the bookstore] wanted the new machine to connect the store’s customers to millions of book titles. That part of the business has developed slowly,...
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- ianf ⌘
[^*] an euphemism for "the publishers are demanding extraordinary sums for us making it possible for them to make money off their back catalogs. In effect they want us, the franchiser of the EBM, to commit to sell a minimum # copies/year of each title @ current in-print prices (or some such)."
- ianf ⌘
David, thanks for keeping me posted. It's not a light read though, so, before I embark on it later in the week (alas), could you please express it in High-Concept terms, e.g. what [physical size/ quality] "newspapers" you have in mind; and what this your "service to help people make their own newspapers" will be servicing: a single-point electronic drop-off box perhaps for client material - out comes a pack of 20-or-so 16-page tabloid papers prewrapped for dropping off a van at a stand?
- ianf ⌘
Hey Ian, It's not my project, I just know the guys behind it. (Sorry for the confusion - I mentioned it above as an example of what I was talking about - the process is dissimilar from Purefold). No idea how it's going to roll out - but it's a fine experiment to follow via their blog.
- zeroinfluencer
[December 2] Following up on a post from 27th of April—the Expresso Book Machine [aka #EBM] is prominently featured in this week's BBC World Click programme, a video of which is available for international online viewing, all 11m40s of it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... “[Click: 27 November] How printing on demand services and the internet have enabled anyone to publish their books. Plus, a look at the latest eBook readers.”
- ianf ⌘
Thanks! Weirdly, I was thinking about this thread last night. How are you Ian?
- zeroinfluencer
Hi, my name is Johnny. I’m here to tell you about a social networking site so good, Facebook bought the people who designed it. What is that service you ask? It’s called FriendFeed. That’s right, you may have heard of us before. We have been called a rival to Twitter or Facebook etc but that’s not really [...]
- Johnny Worthington
Hi there, Johnny! And hello everyone. I'm internet star Chris Charabaruk. You may remember me from such sites as Twitter, reddit, and my new service Taskerrific. And I'm here to say that Johnny is absolutely right. FriendFeed really is a great place to hang out and be cool. But don't take my word for it! We have super internet specialists who can explain it all in detail for you.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
(Sorry, Johnny. That crooked muse of my just took hold and wouldn't let go. No promises it won't happen again, the damn thing chooses when to make me strange. Great article, though!)
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Great post, Johnny! I will be sharing it. One thing, though - shouldn't my "friends" be pulling their heads out of their butts instead of the other way around (right after you discuss imaginary friends)?
- Curtiss Grymala
Noticed that... Decided to leave it in cause it made me giggle :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Mission accomplished, then. It made me chuckle a bit, too, picturing someone trying to pull their butt out of their head. :)
- Curtiss Grymala
Johnny, (and Chris, great co-hosting) this takes high concept yet practical to a new place. You leveled up, sir. Wow. Don't care if I look like I'm fawning right now, because it's so good at several levels. Sincerely, Me.
- Micah Wittman
I'm gonna send this to my friend who doesn't get friendfeed yet.
- Amani
Johnny - You are like the brother I never had! (except for Sean and Josh that is....) But YOU ROCK!
- Morgan Haley
Morgan. You're like the brother of the brother I always wanted :)
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Nice, Johnny. Maybe you could do a Part II -- "But didn't Facebook buy FriendFeed? Doesn't that mean FriendFeed is dead? Why should I start using a dead service?"
- Ken Sheppardson
Ken, I was going to address this but my objective is to get more users. I'm confident that FriendFeed will be around for a significant amount of time and it's our job to build a user base to a point where we're 'to big to fail'.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Yeah, I suppose that makes sense... you don't really hear people talking about how FF's "dead" until you start using it.
- Ken Sheppardson
It's only dead if we let it die. Facebook has given no indication that they will do so. FriendFeed is only dead to those who sought to be on the cutting edge. The early adopter wave has crashed over the beach of FriendFeed and we're all now just enjoying a day out paddling in the water.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
Twitter is slowly but surely catching up to Friendfeed in features. Re-tweets stand in for FoaF aggregration. There have been many attempts by 3rd parties at threading and displaying images and videos inline. Search is going the outsourced route, to Bing and Google. The character limit is still an obstacle, though. But luckily we don't have to wait and use a bunch of hacks, because all of this is built into Friendfeed already.
- Raphael, Raphael
Vezquex; My major issue with Twitter is the infrastructure has to be built into the message. Until I can use the full 140 characters, I don't see much hardcore use outside of the occasional message.
- Johnny Worthington
Not only that, but the threaded messages is far and away a better way to view a conversation.
- Jeremy (on vacation)
We're the cool kids? Really?? ummm.. did the definition of cool change? :D
- CW™
like rock and roll, friendfeed will never die. i hope. but if i had to choose between rock and roll and friendfeed....well...it's been nice
- Morgan Haley
That pic is the buisness (if a bit Chopper-like)
- Mo Kargas
To me, this picture says two things: "Suck it, world" and "Eeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyy"
- Mike Nayyar
It was fabulous. And I did post it to FB. I figure they're my best shot at new peeps - especially the ones from AdGabber, the first socnet I was ever on.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
from iPhone
YO JOHNNY, IMMA LET YOU FINISH BUT...BUT...BUT, N-MIND YOU GOTZ DA BADDEST-ASS SHADES OF ALL TIME. OF ALL TIME!!!
- Josh Haley
two years ago i suggested that companies can sell ads on people's flickr stream. (to some, I think that my 3,000,000 flickr stream view is much more attractive then my blog space)
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Entrepreneurship is hard. You’re going to go through moments where you feel like you’re on top of the world. And then you’re going to experience moment when you think the world is going to come to an end. And often those moments will occur within the same hour of the day. - http://betashop.com/post...
"Facebook can be a double-edged sword, a Canadian woman learned when an insurance company cut her health benefits, claiming she was healthy after seeing pictures of her smiling in bikini at the beach. Nathalie Blanchard, 29, took long-term sick leave from her job at IBM in Bromont, Quebec, more than a year ago for severe depression. She was receiving monthly benefits from her insurance company, Manulife. When Blanchard called Manulife to inquire why the payments dried up, the insurance company said that "I'm available to work, because of Facebook," she told CBC television. She said that Manulife cited several pictures Blanchard had posted on her social networking website page, including some showing her enjoying herself during a male strip-tease show at a Chippendales bar, celebrating her birthday and bathing in the sun. Based on these postings, the firm claimed Blanchard was no longer depressed."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
and you can diagnose mental health from simple photos? depression doesn't always mean having to frown all the time. And of course, one holiday means she's now cured of it? ignorant fucktards trying to find any way possible to not pay someone.
- alphaxion
""We have captured it! First circulating beam of 2009!" And with that tweet, researchers at CERN announced that they did in fact activate the Large Hadron Collider, after quite a long delay and despite warnings of a looming, nefarious Higgs boson. Whether or not we will have had total destruction as an unfortunate result of the device remains to be seen, but should the future find a way to either cease to exist or travel to the past in some time-bending paradox, we only hope linguists and physicists can work together and figure out the proper verb conjugations for this brave new world."
- Chieze Okoye
from Bookmarklet
"This week we turn our attention to a rather timely battle being waged on the mobile front, between Apple’s darling and wildly-selling iPhone platform and Google’s slow to boil Android mobile operating system. With the Motorola Droid launching with Android 2.0 in the U.S. to the tune of a healthy sales clip, it’s high time to do a new assessment of the state of affairs in the hottest mobile operating system match around. Be sure to cast your vote below for your choice between these mobile heavyweights. You have until noon EST on Friday November 20th, and be sure to let us know your reasoning in the comments. We’ll recap the results later this week and begin a new round of faceoff next week." - VOTE ANDROID!!!
- LANjackal
from Bookmarklet
Not sure why the Sharp Zaurus and Nokia 770, N8x0, N900 had such small niche markets and yet people are so quick to jump on the Google bandwagon. I've owned every Linux PDA imaginable, but I'm not going to run out and buy an Android. I want a phone that doesn't crash, I want a vast selection of apps, and I want MP3s & videos that sync out-of-the-box... that's iPhone. As a Cocoa & python...
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- Ken & Kiyomi
"people are so quick to jump on the Google bandwagon." There's good reason for that: 1) FLOSS 2) Availability from multiple OEMs/carriers 3) Flexibility. Google's huge support for open, neutral networks has made them a huge positive influence in the traditionally closed mobile arena. Those are all things neither Apple nor any other competitor offer. The Easy Way Out is still the iPhone, but that's what Apple's always been about anyway.
- LANjackal
from IM
But Google isn't giving FLOSS for free. When I watch an Android phone hit my servers, I see "Googlebot" in my server logs. When I use Gmail, I see ads pertaining to my current mail keywords. I used Gmail to get IMAP fetches for my other accounts, I no longer do. I don't want Google indexing and storing my private emails. I'd rather pay for private storage or run my own dedicated...
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- Ken & Kiyomi
It's free to the developers and the bureaucratic requirements are a lot less onerous. That's undeniable.
- LANjackal
from IM
Yes and no. There is something to be said about having different levels of internet speed, that you pay more or less for. I can't see a public utility being able to handle that sort of complexity, since simple billing seems almost beyond them now.
- Cassandra
Absolutely. Would you move into a house that didn't have running water or Electricity? How about one with no high-speed internet service? You'd probably say "uh, no thank you." It is an essential utility required to live in this day and age. Well, it's at least as essential as electricity anyway. Sure, you CAN live without it...you won't die directly from lack of it, but living without...
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- veo
The UK is trying to give *everyone* access to the Internet. So perhaps it could be included in our "utilities" at that stage.
- Kol Tregaskes
Only thing is Kol, Virgin Media's average speeds are about as inspiring as Comcast's are here.
- Ian May
The phone isn't considered a utility. But, I think both the phone and high speed internet should be.
- Yolanda
I don't have a landline. Not had one for some years. I do have a cellphone, but I make very few calls. I could almost do without a phone these days in many ways.
- Ian May
Mind you in the UK, they privatized water, gas and electric. It went up in price in leaps and bounds, the service didn't get any better; in many cases it got worse, and now you get attacked by spotty-faced twats in the High Street trying to get you to change your supplier for the promise of an initial discount. Then there's the Ambulance chasers "Have you had an accident in the last three years, sir?" "No, but you'll have one in a minute if you don't get out of my way!"
- Ian May
"Uh oh. Both Eater LA and the LA Times are reporting that an outbreak of McDonald's elusive McRib sandwich has ensued in the greater Southland. This naturally begs the question, when will the McRib spread to the Bay Area? According to the McRib Locator, the McRib has already been spotted in one of San Francisco's many McDo franchises. Could this be true?"
- Michelle Martinez
from Bookmarklet
*gag* that is the worst McD sandwich ever! I was so happy when I finally found a restaurant that did em, was oh so disappointed when I'd had it. Crappiest liquid smoke tasting BBQ sauce yuckiness Ive ever tasted...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Oh, Michelle. What are you doing to me? I'll have to keep Adrian off FriendFeed for the next week!
- Admiral Anika
Wait, that was very un-American of me. I TAKE FULL CREDIT FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK. I SAID IT FIRST. BARNEY WHO? YOU CAN'T PROVE I'M WRONG.
- Penguin It's Cold Outside
"In addition to a specification of the protocol, we have developed a SPDY-enabled Google Chrome browser and open-source web server. In lab tests, we have compared the performance of these applications over HTTP and SPDY, and have observed up to 64% reductions in page load times in SPDY. We hope to engage the open source community to contribute ideas, feedback, code, and test results, to make SPDY the next-generation application protocol for a faster web."
- scott willeke
While they're at it, I wish Google would look at pushing LZMA over DEFLATE for compression. It offers significant savings and speedy decompression. I believe Yahoo added a JS API for using it in BrowserPlus, but I really wish there was an Accept-Encoding: lzma, gzip that would allow servers to send back LZMA encoded data. Google could also incorporate it into SPDY for header compression.
- Ray Cromwell