This matches everything I'm hearing from around the economy. People are attacking me for being too negative, but they don't provide any evidence of why I'm too negative.
- Robert Scoble
The Japan slide is interesting... a comparison I haven't seen
- Kim Mahan
Robert, I don't think you are being too negative and personally believe we are in for a long and rough ride ahead. But you're right, Americans prefer positivity, they don't want to hear that.
- Sally Church
I don't see what is so wrong with what they are saying, so why hate you?
- Dan Morrill AKA Techwag
Good article except for a complete mid-understanding of taxes and personal spending. Buying "stupid stuff" drives the worldwide economy, cutting taxes improve that economy and increases govt. revenues.
- Robert Hafer
Inspiring article about a family run company I worked for back in the 1990s. I love family run companies and I am proud to be with one now.
- Steve Rubel
are there any spoilers? I've not done season 4 yet
- Toby Graham
There're quotes from 5 already, Toby... :\ Get off FriendFeed and jump on sidereel LOL
- Mona Nomura
HAHAHAHA. As soon as I started reading them, I could hear his voice screaming them! I love Ari.
- Trish R
Yup, I'm on this like flies on a turd.
- Toby Graham
My favorite Ari Gold moment (not quote) was when Lloyd quit because his boyfriend left him and Ari lied for Lloyd, giving him an alibi for cheating and got his boyfriend back to make Lloyd come back to work. LOL!
- Trish R
My favorite was when Ari was going to leave his old firm a la Jerry McGuire. He asked Llyod to come with him and Lloyd said (paraphrasing) "do you promise not to make any more gay jokes?"...Ari replied "No, but I'll try my best" have to blog this...
- Ryan
Every moment with Ari is GOLD. I love the way he interacts with his wife. Love him and Lloyd. Love watching him, Turtle, and Johnny Drama. I just LOVE Ari. I think my ideal man is Ari Gold haha!
- Mona Nomura
I love all the characters. The show wouldn't be as great as it is if there wasn't all those great characters with all those great lines. Billy Walsh cracks me up, too.
- Trish R
The Ari character totally makes this show. Oh, hai mona! BTW, the story line in Entourage echoes actual events surrounding Troy Duffy (Boondock Saints) See doc. "Overnight" ... Wahlberg, Weinstein, esp., got burned... this is sweet revenge...
- Richard pancakhaus Walker
from twhirl
Does Palin's parish actually believe that they are the "final" generation and that she is instrumental toward the end of days?
- Wes Hoogenboom
This graphic is dead on -- Palin is closely associated with Christian Armageddonists and Dominionists, and has herself remarked that Armageddon may occur in her lifetime. She gives every indication that she wouldn't hesitate to help bring about Armageddon with wars against Iran and Russia.
- Sean McBride
What's interesting is that, from a historical perspective, Jesus' ministry itself was highly eschatological.
- mikepk
Any idea where the image comes from originally? Looks familer?
- Roberto Bonini
All Abrahamic and monotheistic cults are highly eschatological -- eschatology is practically what defines them.
- Sean McBride
just saw this on imgfav ... awesome pic
- johnpiercy
in 2004 I posed the end-times question about Bush and his policies - "If you knew that your credit card company was going to be wiped out within a year, would you hesitate to charge what you needed? Especially if you had the Almighty's word that you were doing His work as you were spending?" http://allied.blogspot.com/2004...
- jeneane sessum
OK so my work filter is blocking this site - is this legit from the campaign?
- R. Ferguson
Many of the evangelical groups which claim to support Israel really only support Israel because they think that in doing so they can hasten Armageddon. I'd say though, that these Christians represent a small minority of Christians in general. I have heard that Palin's church claims that Alaska will be a "refuge" during the end times which they believe are near, so I'm not sure how far...
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- Chrimmus Tad
Ruth - of course this isn't from any campaign - it's a joke poster. Edit: Sorry, that came out snarky. Didn't mean to be snarky, I just don't think anyone intends to make anyone think this is a real campaign poster.
- Chrimmus Tad
Ryo: Google [palin armageddon] [palin dominionism] [palin cnp] [palin john hagee] for all the telling details on her connections to religious extremists and Armageddonist fantasies. She is firmly embedded in an ideological and social network that is praying for world destruction, as soon as possible. Her main sponsor in the Republican Party is the CNP (Council for National Policy), which was founded by Tim LaHaye, the author of the Left Behind series.
- Sean McBride
@Sean Yes, of course you're right, but there are degrees. The "how likely is it to be in my lifetime" kind of thing. Most of his immediate followers thought it was imminent. The scary part (as per the poster) is the people who think they can accelerate it by forcing the fulfillment of prophecy.
- mikepk
Michael: good point: monotheistic sects vary considerably in the intensity with which they focus on imminent End of the World scenarios. The most frightening belief of all is the crazy notion that one can accelerate the coming of Armageddon, the Messiah, the Second Coming, etc. through human aggression. Sarah Palin is closely associated with that branch of Christianity, and she is already making noises about military confrontations with Iran and Russia.
- Sean McBride
the irony of Christianity being demonized probably doesn't hold enough potential energy to be a useful stopgap anymore. Solutions and direction are what we need rather than more diversion and derision.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
Roberto Bonini asked, "Any idea where the image comes from originally? Looks familer?" I'm guessing it was a margarine ad.... ;-) <jk>
- Yule Heibel
The image is of a style very much like the ones included on most bible tracts.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Ryo: religious fundamentalists tend to be power freaks who use "God" as a weapon to scam, rip off, plunder, enslave and exterminate cult outsiders. Thus has it ever been. Enlightened religionists are a different matter entirely.
- Sean McBride
Has anyone actually read the Bible, the apocalypse is a battle brought on after a never before seen time of PEACE. Ignorance!!!!
- Mike Lewis
As soon as religious extremists start injecting their crazy ideas into public policy and daily governance, they become fair game. In fact, ridiculing them then becomes a matter of urgent moral and practical necessity. The American Founding Fathers wisely sought to separate church from state.
- Sean McBride
Sean McGee, it's one of my favorite aspects of FriendFeed: seeing no religious proselytism here but seeing a ton of anti-religious posts (or posts smugly mocking religious people).
- Akiva Moskovitz
If anyone is being mocked here it's people who think that we need to accelerate our way towards a global war of devastation on a scale unimaginable. I have no problem with mocking that particular religious belief. As I've said before the vast majority of Christians don't hold these views and we aren't mocking them.
- Chrimmus Tad
Akiva -- I respect the right of people to believe whatever they like about religious matters -- that is a sacred American principle. Nor do I think religionists should be ridiculed -- on the contrary, many religionists are highly praiseworthy. But when characters like George W. Bush start to take Americans as a whole into self-destructive wars on the basis of extremist religious beliefs, then I think one must speak out, simply as a matter of self-preservation.
- Sean McBride
Akiva - another example. For many centuries antisemitism was enshrined as a core belief in important strains of Christianity, including Roman Catholicism and Lutheranism (Martin Luther was a virulent antisemite). These religious beliefs played a major role in producing the Holocaust. More Europeans should have expressed strong opposition to this brand of religion before the worst happened.
- Sean McBride
http://tinyurl.com/3ewnnz Andrew Sullivan: "Palin's spiritual colleagues describe themselves as part of "the final generation," engaged in "spiritual warfare" to purge the earth of "demonic strongholds." Palin has spent her entire adult life immersed in this apocalyptic hysteria. Ask yourself: Is it a good idea to place the most powerful military on earth at her disposal? Do we actually...
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- Sean McBride
If your beliefs are stupid, they deserve to be ridiculed.
- Eric P
@Sean McBride That's actually Andrew Sullivan quoting Sam Harris, from this Newsweek article: http://ub0.cc/1p/0S
- Chris Johnson
@eric, if they're stupid, they deserve disregard. But lumping her peeps with all christians and then making fun of them = not cool. Nobody would like that regardless of belief or religion. Ignorance comes in a lot of forms :)
- Patricia
Who's lumping anyone in with all Christians? People who have this idea that Armageddon can be hastened to bring about the end of days or whatever it is deserve all the ridicule that can possibly be heaped upon them.
- Chris Johnson
Eric, and who determines which beliefs are stupid?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I do, as the one doing the ridiculing. But that's not the point. The point is that religious beliefs deserve no special deference or respect simply because they're religious in nature. I hold them to the same standard of reason and evidence that I do any other assertion.
- Eric P
Akiva - many Muslims believe on religious grounds that the state of Israel should be destroyed. Christian Zionists believe that all Jews must either convert to Christianity and accept Jesus Christ as their savior or be exterminated by the Second Coming of Christ. Do you treat these religious views with respect? (Others here: Akiva is pretending that he isn't reading my posts. Someone else should ask him these questions and see if you can get a coherent answer.)
- Sean McBride
And mainstream Christian belief isn't exactly any more sensical. I don't see someone as having the grounds to criticize apocalyptic mythology while touting virgin births, angels, and a zombie resurrection as some kind of rational alternative. One is just as firmly grounded as the other.
- Eric P
Oh, so what you're saying is that you don't feel you should have to be respectful of other people's beliefs if they don't meet your personal criteria. Gotcha.
- Akiva Moskovitz
No, I don't feel I should have to be respectful of other people's beliefs. You say that like it's a bad thing.
- Eric P
Akiva disrespects, holds in contempt and loathes the beliefs of many others, including many other religionists. He is not making a lick of sense on this point. No group is more capable of hating other religions than religious fundamentalists -- they outdo atheists in this department.
- Sean McBride
I'm surprised by the level of ignorance on display by some on this thread. No, take that back. Not surprised. Shocked, but not surprised. And ignorance is probably much too kind of a word, but this is my early morning, and I'm too groggy for an accurate descriptor for this specific combination of stupidity, smugness, and insensitivity.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins - why does opposition to religious extremists like John Hagee, Tim LaHaye and Hal Lindsey upset you so much? Are you a member of the religious extremist camp yourself?
- Sean McBride
According to who? What makes religious beliefs so special exactly, that they should be innately deserving of respect no matter how patently absurd they are?
- Eric P
Re: Sarah Palin's pastor: http://tinyurl.com/3tw34a "Pastor Kalnins is the same guy who believes that certain parts of the world are controlled by demons—guess which parts—and preaches an “end times” theology, the radical fundamentalist belief that the corruption of the Holy Land, that would be Muslims, Jews, sundry heretics and unbelievers, must be purified by God’s cleansing fire...
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- Sean McBride
Moskovitz and Hopkins: do John Hagee's religious views on Roman Catholicism deserve respect?
- Sean McBride
Sean McGee: do you think religious extremists who preach hatred and violence against other religionists deserve respect as people? In my opinion, people who promote hateful and ignorant doctrines are hateful and ignorant people -- I don't respect them. But I always hold out the hope that they can be educated and give up their wrong beliefs. I don't consign them to eternal damnation.
- Sean McBride
I get the feeling that the FriendFeed "block" function isn't working as it is supposed to. Some of the folks I've blocked are somehow able to view my posts on this thread, apparently. At any rate, in answer to those folks who've called me out, no, I'm not a fundamentalist or follower of Hal Lindsey. Like most intelligent and well-read people though, I've read and understand the Bible. That's more than I can say for some of the people on this thread, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Mark Hopkins' answer to those of us who are concerned about the effects of fundamentalist and Armageddonist beliefs like those held by Sarah Palin and her co-religionists on American policy and governance? -- we haven't read and *understood* the Bible. In what sense is that remotely a rational or meaningful response? That's precisely the kind of argument that a religious fundamentalist...
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- Sean McBride
Sean McGee - do you respect people who commit violence or discriminate against others on the basis of extremist religious beliefs?
- Sean McBride
+1 Mark as well. Something tells me there's a mango about this thread.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva can't handle rational challenges to his irrational belief system without becoming conspicuously dysfunctional. It seems like a fair question to me: are there are any beliefs held by religious extremists to which he strongly objects? Of course there are -- he doesn't grant them all universal respect. Quite a few of them he no doubt finds to be threatening. I know I do.
- Sean McBride
The amount of brain power around the globe devoted to selling ads has always boggled my mind. People doing things they find interesting is the engine of innovation. Business and markets often act as a black hole sucking away true creativity in trade for easy monetization. Cezanne spent his life trying to make great art, not capture markets.
- Todd Hoff
Wow, look at him go! He went amazingly far. You can tell he's so proud and happy. Way to go, Milan! I suspect "going far" will be a constant in your life, given your parents' and brother's great support.
- Dawn
Too cute Robert! It's the age of discovery for Milan.
- Larry Kless
Yay! Good job, Milan! Soon he'll be chasing the Gray twins around... :-)
- Lisa L. Seifert
Congratulations Robert! I'm not a father but I remember when my god-daughter started walking... it's simply beautiful.
- Andrés David Aparicio
from twhirl
oh boy!! he is on the move!! looked like you wound him up and left him goooo! so adorable. You have an older son, don't you? Is the place still baby-proofed or do you have to start over again?
- TheMacMommy
Fantastic milestone, congrats Robert!
- Mike Fruchter
there's nothing wrong with being a nerd / geek / dork! revenge of the nerds ftw!
- Mona Nomura
I refuse to admit that an Apple nerd is the second iteration of the original geek. I'd buy that the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
Also, say that second sentence five times fast out loud. :)
- Mark "Rizzn" Hopkins
+1 Mark. The internet is seemingly filled with 'geeks' who can't fix their own computers. (I said can't, not won't)
- Yuvi
Funny >the geek and the nerd both fork from the same dork tree, though.
- Russellreno
Very nice! You could replace the D&D by a deck of Magic the gathering in Geek 1.0
- João Almeida
from twhirl
Geek 1.5 ("The Transitional"): 1. Trusty Palm V (in all its form factor glory) in hand, 2. Inserted into casual conversation: "AOL! - Pssf! Not even on dial-up anymore -- once you go to BroadBand, you can't go back! And High-waters, w/ pair of scissors applied, have become DYI shorts that are the new source of fashion ridicule.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
If my ADND gaming group is any indication, the game is still D&D, but character sheets are on the computers. I fully believe I combine the best of both worlds; with a Tablet PC my character sheets are both digital and handwritten. I've got to admit the spreadsheet users have it nice, when it comes to stat penalties and recalculating...uh, I think I should shut up, now.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
I've heard this for years, starting like my freshman year in high school. History teachers always complain that modern media is making a "sound bite" culture.
- Kevin L
@klecu: one could argue that a 'soundbite bite culture' is a reasonable response to information overload
- .LAG liked that
I like it too! Great light work! But this make me wonders about FriendFeed and Photo Blogs. When we publish something with RSS in FF, we don't see any images. FF should have an option for photoblogs and automatically display images from RSS feeds of photoblogs. Anyway... My comment is at the wrong place :-D !
- Éric Senterre
Eric: Thanks for the comment. Thomas Hawk actually questioned this as well and I believe Sudar is working on a WordPress plugin to include pictures (http://friendfeed.com/e...). It is something necessary and needed.
- Justin Korn
putting out some pretty impressive stuff these days Justin.
- Thomas Hawk
photos should display correctly if your blog supports media rss. support for media rss was added to ff about a month ago.
- Rafael Robayna
Rafael - not sure what I need to do differently then. As you can see here (http://friendfeed.com/e...) the post did not have the image. Suggestions?
- Justin Korn
I guess I am rich! When I lived in NYC I went on roof tops with my lady friends and Bacardi rum! I am a real Rockefeller! lmao
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
When we were in New York in December we stayed at the New York Athletic Club on Central Park South. We spent a lot of time up on the roof. It was super cold with snow on it but had great views overlooking Central Park. http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Mrsth
I like the wide open spaces too. Even if I worked in NY I would probably live in jersey (gulp). For this kind of money, imagine the deck/patio you could have!
- Alex
lol @ nyc being a "shit hole." right. real astute comment there, guy
- Cee Bee
I've been waiting it to be available for FF3 beta, since it's off beta now the plugin is ready to go, and I love it. Also implemented it to my blog gallery.
- Koray AL
Thanks for giving a shoutout to PicLens! Glad to hear you're enjoying!
- Cooliris
Trying to use Gina's Todo.txt on Ubuntu now. Will see how it does for me. I am a big believer of TEXT. Remember freeform text PIMs? So wish I had created the one I envisioned with tags and hyperlilnks. I guess its not too late.
- Brad Nickel
"Things" works great with iphone and ipod Touch and when they add syncing with the mac, it's perfect.
- Tommi Rissanen
All very good reasons. I can't live without my Freemind maps. Whether its planning code or even just problem solving. Its a lot more intuitive than trying to use Planner (or MS Project) to plan something, and can then be easily translated across to Project software if you need it to. Its especially good for defining your own workflow and strategies as well.
- Stephen Cropp
I've been trying out mind maps every now and then but still haven't been convinced. What exactly is it about mind maps that make you more productive or efficient?
- Benedikt Koehler
I've started to doodle mind maps instead of notes for meetings and it certainly makes more sense to me when I return to the notes
- Andy Britcliffe
from twhirl
What are the best programs to Mind map?
- Toby Graham
I use FreeMind. Open source and multiplatform.
- Mario Camou
from twhirl
They need to get smarter first. MindMeister gets close with the nodes you can click on to search for pages related to the node. I want to create a mindmap and have it suck in my bookmarks related to each node on the map via tags. That way I can just build the map, have the research I have done before come to me and then move on from there.
- Stephan Miller
from twhirl
Anyone remember "The Brain"? So much promise - but it didn't quite work. Mindjet is a really good but doesn't integrate well enough into my todo / project managment solution.
- Soulhuntre
Mindmapping is a useful construct. We used it with the major scenarios of our last software release and -- with MMPro and a TFS Plugin -- exported them directly into Microsoft Team System. Cool.
- Robert W. Anderson
from twhirl
Any good web-based Mind Mapping solutions? Ultimately I'd like an Evernote for Mind Mapping which would run everywhere.
- Al Degutis
from twhirl
I would lose my mind without mindjet mindmanager
- adolfo foronda
As I mentioned early --I'm a mindmapper junkie...and doing it collaboratively via mindmeister in real time has been great with clients.
- Leif Hansen
Al: www.mindmeister.com :) (multiple user updating real time, one touch Skype, jottable notes via 1. “My Geistesblitzes” = widget (Windows and Mac compatible) 2. SMS (Twitter) or 3. e-mail plus moticons, smilies, and tons of visuals galore. Once complied, the map can be exported and shared in various ways; which for a free service is phenomenal, plus the data can be exported in multiple ways.. I blogged about it here -> http://bit.ly/1EdpIG)
- Mona Nomura
"John McCain has wholeheartedly adopted Karl Rove's low-minded and uncivil playbook. "
- newsjunk.com
If Obama doesn't hit back with overwhelming strength, using more force than the Rovians, he stands a good chance of suffering the same fate as John Kerry. McCain is highly vulnerable to the Rovian tactics he has apparently endorsed.
- Sean McBride
I'm really pleased (and a little surprised) to see this editorial from the NYT.
- Tegan Dowling
"The 5 million people on Obama's e-mail list are just the start of what political strategists say is one of the most sophisticated voter databases ever built. Using a combination of the information that supporters are volunteering, data the campaign is digging up on its own and powerful market research tools first developed for corporations, Obama's staff has combined new online organizing with old-school methods of voter outreach to assemble a central database for hitting people with messages tailored as closely as possible to what they're likely to want to hear. It's an ambitious melding of corporate marketing and grassroots organizing that the Obama campaign sees as a key to winning this fall."
- Rick Powell
from Bookmarklet
This seems like at first blush they have taken many of the advances the Bush campaign made to the process and pushed the envelope even further with better processes and technology. This is good. Question though, at what point does the analytics so thoroughly drive the political message that there is no original substance left to a candidate? And does more intimate awareness of differing views of voters only increase the risk of the candidate being viewed as a flip-flopper (with multiple messages everywhere)
- Chris Stevenson
"the Plurk crowd is far more mainstream then the mix you see on other services." I think that's what people are missing. Plurk's whole look and feel has a very MySpace/LiveJournal look to it. Something that doesn't appeal to myself and, probably a lot of others on the "tech space" (or whatever you want to call it). Plurk is more or less for people who might not quite understand why the...
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- Candace
Every comment here proves the exact line that Plurk is a mainstream service :-) I'm not seeing tech people on there, all my non-techie friends love it.
- Duncan Riley
@duncanriley: I have an account. I used it once to say that I won't use it. I don't like things that are unusable. I don't like the "karma" notion. I don't like many things, including the fact that I'm loosing my hair everyday more :(
- directeur
from NoiseRiver
I finally succumbed to peer pressure and signed up. Whoo hoo! More time suck!
- Robyn Miller
Ok, I've been thinking a lot about sites like plurk, myspace and facebook, all of which I myself find really freaking annoying to use and cumbersome as hell. Yet the mainstream people or people I'd look at as novice or noob internet users love that sort of thing. Seems the more complicated *I* think it is, the more that other demographic loves it. They seem to get off on it.
- Paul Short
directeur, try the mobile version or via Plurkair, I'm more comfortable with a Twitter style layout. What I'd say to everyone though: just because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't...this is never going to be a first adopter/ geek service...nor does it have to be
- Duncan Riley
I tried Plurk. Heard about it on TWiT and thought I'd give it a shot. That was the first and last time I will use it. It's definitely for a younger crowd. My Sixteen year old cousin thinks it's great.
- Candace
I'm excited for Plurker (http://is.gd/S5y). I'd like a more Twitter-like interface, and the mobile version is too primitive
- pb30
I think I'm riding the same boat Paul is on. The more complicated the service appears for the "techie" crowd the more mainstream it turns out to be. Weirdness!
- Scott Jarkoff
@Candance Holly sorry Candance, just because PLURK is more emotional and creative than other services doesnt mean the Plurk crowd know nothing why iPhone is such a big thing, or why MAC vs PC is such a debate that will never end. To me your words sound like having prejudice against creative playfull stuff and their users. Sure the Plurk interface needs some corrections... like a better timeline, ect. MY resume is: Plurk is nice and gives you a chance being creative every time you log in. I prefere twitter.
- Margit Hinke
tried it - still have an acct and folks still follow me but i'm a non-active user - figured i'm not in the target demo is all - i can see how it will appeal to some especially non-twitter & friendfeed inclined folk
- mike "glemak" dunn
I like the sound of that club. Where do I sign up?
- Jeff P. Henderson
Homer: Are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon? Lisa: No. Homer: Ham? Lisa: No. Homer: Pork chops? Lisa: Dad, those all come from the same animal. Homer: Heh heh heh. Ooh, yeah, right, Lisa. A wonderful, magical animal.
- Andrew Smith
I like the one that says "Red Meat, Because the West Wasn't Won on salad"
- Andrew Leyden
I work for Cabela's and that's a very typical saying for our corp. headquaters
- Garrett
spotted a shirt in wisconson- "vegetarians= bad hunters" made me smile ... mmm....bacon
- michael sean wright
on the other side of the car is the mean people suck sticker, correct?
- Pete Delucchi
I soooooooooo want one of those stickers! lol awesome
- John Blanton
Brian: Humans contribute just as much, if you skin and cook them right...
- Ian Betteridge
very telling presentation of chav lifestyle
- Ralf G.
One of my all-time favorite bumper stickers!
- Craig Eddy
Few years ago I was consulting for ENI, one of the biggest energy group in the world and they used to have economists and of course a chief economist. I know in Fiat group they have economists roles too. Banks and financial services are also common employers for economists roles.
- Marcello Del Bono
A very interesting article. I think Google will be much bigger than Microsoft in a very small amount of time.
- Toby Graham
Alot of large companies have legions of economists on the payroll. Generally speaking the job is to estimate the state of the home market and pinpoint the best foreign markets. The job is brilliant because it involves sorting through data, but awful because it involves attending lots of meetings and powerpoint presentations..sorry, got a little sidetracked
- Steven Cains
Toby, Google has a LONG way to go to overtake MSFT. In FY2007, Microsoft had revenues of $51 billion, compared to Google's $16 billion, with operating income of $18 billion compared to $5 billion. The only measure by which you can put the two in the same league is column inches on blogs :)
- Ian Betteridge
In other words: Microsoft makes more in profits than Google makes in revenues.
- Ian Betteridge
Another place Google excels over MS: a far more adept Corp Comm group.
- Sprague D
Ian: Yeah, but Microsoft's been around for much longer than Google, and Google's caught up that far in this relatively short period.
- Brent Newhall
Brent: Quick growth like that isn't actually as unusual as you might think. For example, Apple grew from a $1 billion business to a $10bn one in the ten years John Sculley was CEO. Google has grown to $18bn in 12 years. Google is riding a fast-growing market - but how far will online advertising expand? Will it continue to dominate that market, when there's no "lock in" (as there is in the software market)? There's too many questions to say that Microsoft will be beaten by Google any time soon.
- Ian Betteridge
Ian: Oh, certainly agreed; I don't think Google's going to beat MS's market share or earnings any time soon. Just saying that Google has grown quite far, quite fast, and if the trend continues, things will be interesting. Of course, trends rarely continue.
- Brent Newhall
I didn't see anything new in the NYT article but it confirms what I already thought - "winner takes all" on the Internet Front. I suppose the only thing, now, that can stop Google, is, perhaps, the Internet, itself, collapsing - something that's not that likely.
- Marshall Sponder
To me the key point of the article--and the most meaningful difference between MS and Google--is the former coerces to achieve its network effects while the latter co-opts. This reveals a more fundamental difference in world view: negative versus positive sum.
- lang davison
“You have to be big and bad, not just big.” time will tell if Google goes past MS profits. But the article raises an interesting question about the behavior of big companies. Hard to tell which direction Google will go, especially if the global economy darkens. Morals hold pretty well in good times; not so sure during the bad. Temptation is perennial.
- phil baumann
@ paul: I agree. The thing is that in these perilous ecomomic times we now live in, Google cannot easily consolidate like outher industries would to help them get over the worse.Google may well arrive at the point that it cannot continue as it is.
- Roberto Bonini
In all those emails subpoenaed from Microsoft, are there several stating "say, let's all apply the network effect today!"? I just have trouble believing that either company was premeditated about this network effect during their first 5 or 10 years. Its just economists analyzing it long after the fact. Microsoft is arrogance, bluster, and jumping up and down on stage. Google instead has something called "execution". Versus the 5 years Microsoft spent on Vista, for which the word is "train wreck".
- Indio Apache
Seems like a puff piece. The author has clearly not read "Linked" by Albert-László Barabási (one of the world's leading experts on network effects). On page 103 (you can read the preview on Amazon), Barabási compares Google and Microsoft. He says Google exhibits the behavior of a "fit get rich" network, in which the fittest node becomes the biggest hub. "The winner's lead is never significant, however."
- Karim
Barabási then describes a second type of network, "winner takes all," in which the fittest node grabs ALL the links (star topology), and behaves like a Bose-Einstein condensate. "And there is a network in which we cannot fail to notice one node that carries the signature of a Bose-Einstein condensate. The node is called Microsoft."
- Karim
@Karim, Steve Lohr, the writer, specializes in Google puff pieces.
- Sprague D
So, basically, you have a NYT hack job authored by a guy with a history of writing pro-Google propaganda :-) saying "Google is teh new Microsoft" on the one hand, and one of the most important scientists of the 21st Century telling you that Google and Microsoft aren't even in the same league on the other. Hmmm. Hmmm...
- Karim