"I remember when Saturday Night Live use to make fun of the Trac II razor (a razor with 2 blades, that I actually use) by showing a mock commercial for the triple trac razor and how with 3 blades it can get even closer to the skin than anything. It was hysterical and it was obviously a stupid idea. Well now they actually produce such a razor, plus more."
- Keith Barrett
This is a great piece for many reasons: not the least of which is, I agree with your position. I too am old enough to remember computing before Microsoft. I also wept as MS destroyed or diluted every good idea that stood in the way of its mediocre products; and now that they are considered "normal" any suggestion of a better alternative is either inconcievable or too late because you...
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- practicehacker
It's a shame I can't yet consolidate comments from other platforms (like Facebook) to here because there were others that also agree. Just yesterday systems admins performed a "sanity reboot" of a unix server because it had been up for over 180 days without incident. There are just so many things wrong with that point of view I don't know where to begin.
- Keith Barrett
Keith - do you use BackType? That's what I use to consolidate my comments.
- practicehacker
from email
I was using Disqus. There is a newer one out (can't remember the name) that grabs all the comments from across all social platforms.
- Keith Barrett
Then it's not going to suceed. Even co-branded it seems unlikely the price would drop to the ~$250 price point it would need, and that's not counting your monthly service.
- Keith Barrett
from Android
If Scobleizer is at the top of most popular list for the service, the web service has NOT gone mainstream yet. For instance, a year ago I was at top of Twitter. Today, no. But today I'm at the top of FriendFeed. When I get passed you will know this has gone mainstream. Compare Twitter's popular: http://twitterholic.com/ with FriendFeed's http://www.ffholic.com/Users...
- Robert Scoble
You are way ahead of Kim Kardashian on here. Congrats.
- Ben Hanten
I say when porn starts move to a service, it becomes mainstream. Same happened to Twitter, streaming videos and so on.
- Veetrag
Yes, Twitter gamed this list by doing a suggested user list (@techcrunch had fewer followers than I did before they did this list and didn't put me on it) but lots of these people would have passed me anyway like @oprah -- so, this is how you can check if a service has gone mainstream.
- Robert Scoble
I've mixed feelings about the day other folks (celebrities, social media experts) fly past you on the subscribed list Robert. Happy for friendfeed, sad for the current users.
- Mark Essel
I thought it was when a Hollywood celeb claimed he or she was responsible for the societal adoption
- Keith Barrett
It is interesting, though, that popularity over on Twitter hasn't passed over to popularity on FriendFeed. Most followers that come from "mainstream" won't try new things.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I expect it. The real measure, by the way, is NOT follower counts, which is why these lists aren't very good, but engagement. Do people click favorite, retweet, like, comment, do things because of the content you are making and the things you are putting into the system. That's the real measure of popularity that I wish sites like ffholic would track.
- Robert Scoble
@Oprah doesn't follow back, so she's not as much fun as you are.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: that's not why I'm more fun. I'll actually comment back. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Ah, the John Lennon test. ("The Beatles are bigger than Jesus.") ??? (not meant to be as snarky as it sounds)
- Laura Scott (@lauras)
Robert -- EXACTLY! Oprah's just using it to broadcast stuff, and not often at that. Zzzzzzz.
- RobinDotNet
Robin: I hate the idea that being followed is what makes you important. I wish that those numbers wouldn't be published in public. I'd far prefer seeing an "interaction" number. That would still show popularity (after all, if 20 people are following me, and 10 are following you, and we interact the same, I would still have twice the number of you). Actually, I wonder how you could measure that?
- Robert Scoble
One of the things that bugs me about Twitter is that they refer to those you follow as your "friends". I actually don't like the term followers either. I don't "follow" @aplusk nor am I his friend. I read his tweets because once in a while he says something interesting. I do have friends on Twitter, but most of the people I read have never corresponded with me and they do not read my...
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- Paul The Raven
Paul: Exactly. I made a "get satisfaction" request of Twitter a year ago to allow us to create categories of people, so I could distinguish my real friends from people I just follow. It got some support, but was never done. One of the many ways Friendfeed is better.
- Keith Barrett
@Keith Barrett The beauty of Twitter is its simple model, complicate like you are suggesting and it will implode. There are plenty of apps that provide those functions, like Tweetdeck, Seesmic - use them if you wish to break out into categories.
- Amy Flynn
Robert! I love your new new measuring tool! I am going to ask every service I encounter what their "Scoble Number" is and if they can't provide me one, I'm walking!! ;-) I'll take it a step further, I think all blogs should have a Scoble Number we can display, the number of visits and reads from Scoble! The Scoble System... it's plan and it's doable! You on it?
- Amy Flynn
Amy: heh. That is taking things too far.
- Robert Scoble
What's the "Scoble Number" on MySpace ... I hear it's the next big thing. ;)
- Paul Holmes
Good Morning Robert. I'm been looking for a new perspective on Social media, and what better than yours. Thank you very much for all the insight on your blog, the content is just the breathe of fresh air i needed! (especially the Twitter Platform Shortcomings post!)
- Ahad Bokhari
In the spirit of an apparent new school year: "Good morning Mr. Scoble..." (using a nasally voice helps to achieve desired effect)
- Chad Gesser
from iPhone
good morning! haha... so very late=) btw it's 08:00 pm here in Indonesia
- zʍıɔ
keep doing posts like this please Robert. I love them.
- Thomas Power
Note don't post your full address here as the spambots will grab it, also I'll add people but I'm being selective. :-) Note too you could actually use FriendFeed as an IM client if you use DMs and turn on IM notifications for them here: http://friendfeed.com/setting... - you're more likely to get hold of me via FF DM #whatsyoururl
- Kol Tregaskes
Hey! Would love to be a chat buddy, however had trouble getting to DM you, I think its because of Twitter's troubles lately, for some reason even Friendfeed is not cooperating, doesn't surprise me though because of the integration of Twitter's API , .... so try and DM me I guess (sigh) ... I'll be glad when everything (Twitter) is back to normal (/frustrated) Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
"darksydeavenger" without the quotes would be the addy at which you could reach my gtalk. Not on it much, but when I am I get chatty.
- Jon, the Chilled Beartato
Yeah for some reason FF would erase the content inputted by me from within the "To" text field in Direct Messages area. I could not get it to stick, not sure why. Didn't have any problems before when I went to DM someone else in the past, got to be a glitch Tim J @ WWW.MHWD.ORG
- Tim Tunnicliff
from email
Did you know you could send tweets from Gtalk, just add twitter@twitter.com as a buddy, also works for PIng,fm (and Hellotxtx), see here for more: http://www.labnol.org/interne.... Any other useful bots?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, twitter does IM again? I wrote im@twitterspy.org which is about where twitter was when I first started. You can do most things you'd do on twitter (post, follow, leave, search) and some things you can't (track, etc..)
- Dustin Sallings
Shame there is no version of Gtalk for my Nokia! :-(
- Kol Tregaskes
Dustin, ah OK, just it's offline. I use Hellotxt anyway. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Twitter's IM has been offline for well over a year. I wrote twitterspy because that was the useful part of twitter for me (and it's over a year old now). Try out im@twitterspy.org if just for track. That's where I find a good lot of information.
- Dustin Sallings
There's always the ProcessOne Twitter/XMPP gateway. I can't remember the URL at the moment, though.
- Tyson Key
The ProcessOne gateway came out about six months after twitterspy (open source) and still doesn't do much of what twitterspy does, much less better. A few of them came out after mine. Most of them seem to miss the point. Of course, I'm always glad to have people point out things twitterspy doesn't do well enough.
- Dustin Sallings
Dustin, added it. Not sure I like that I have to enter my password though.
- Kol Tregaskes
startoestudio@gmail.com - it's my place for social media!
- Martha
Besides simple text chat, it there a actual voice function with GTalk? Would one have to use the actual Google client to use a voice function, or would that work with other IM clients?
- Kittyburgers
There's the Jingle stuff, although that only functions properly with Google's proprietary client for Windows. :(
- Tyson Key
Wow - so far I've really been into this user exchange thing, but I can't bring myself to share the IM handle. I love GTalk too, mind you - I just can't handle that much direct communication. It's a bit too much like giving out my phone number, I guess.
- Ciaoenrico
Fair enough, Ciaoenrico. I'm being selectively too.
- Kol Tregaskes
mithrandi@mithrandi.net (my own Jabber server, not GTalk, but it should work anyway); also mithrandi@gmail.com but I'm usually not signed into that much, it's mostly for Google Reader purposes.
- Tristan Seligmann
Is that about 50-100 comments per day Robert?
- David Damore
Well, take it from a music turned tech guy, you are deeply appreciated. I truly have not read 29k posts, but from what I have read ( I read and apply it to my work), you are a main source of mine. PLEASE DON'T STOP!!
- professor daddyo
Thanks. I have been on FriendFeed since February of 2008.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I thought the point of commenting and getting social was to 'enrich' your life... At least that's my story - and I'm stickin' to it!!
- Victoria Plautia
instead of a live you could also get some ghostwriters like @guykawasaki . Although he says comments are always his own, so that approach won't help either.
- Till
I passed 1000 likes today. That's my milestone. Congrats to you, too, Robert.
- Ben Hanten
Killed 2k or so Twitter followees today - my own numbers are dropping like a rock, yet I feel much better. Not vibing on the 'numbers as proxxy for self confidence' thing and much prefer quality conversation. So, will be doing what I can to migrate my thought patterns to FriendFeed over the next few weeks. Anything I should know?
What exactly are you looking for? Your video content can be shared if your employer allows it. There's the ability to create list depending on who you need to speak/listen to. The groups are interesting. I'd suggest you'd get into some of the politics groups to see what the person on the street is saying.
- Admiral Anika
It's better over here, Dan, especially if you're looking for a discussion.
- Alan Mairson
from iPhone
It's better here, and you can always cross-post it back to twitter.
- Keith Barrett
One last thing I'd suggest, is really looking at your Twitter follows. Some people have opened accounts and just dumped them. That's fine, but if you've had meaningful conversations with them, then sub to them here. If they offer something, sub to them here. Otherwise, don't bother. Or put them in a Twitter or Dumpers list like I do.
- Admiral Anika
Well, I've been on and kept an eye on FriendFeed since the beginning. More than anything, I'd like to pick up on and adapt to the various communities.
- Dan Patterson
Yeah, and meaningful discussions are key - Twitter has become so infested with spam and self-promotion that for conversation and connecting it's become fairly useless.
- Dan Patterson
If you do a simple search for topics that appeal to you above, you'll find worthwhile people. If you go in to 'browse groups' you'll find more communities.
- Admiral Anika
Oh, oh, the mainstream is coming! (Dan works for ABC News).
- Robert Scoble
Dan and I just subscribed to each other. Now to hit that "FriendFeed Beginners" link myself... (EDIT: Just joined that group, too...)
- Dennis Jernberg
Ah...good old Billy. How were the meatballs?
- WorldofHiglet
I had a fully laden Billy fall on me once. Books everywhere. I thought it was an earthquake.
- Pete Gilbert
I REALLY did have the meatball special yesterday. It was OK, although someone pointed out I should be careful not to be misunderstood asking for the manager's meatballs
- Keith Barrett
FFing Engima: It was the Norwegians that named it (IKEA names all their furniture)
- Keith Barrett
Hehe - most people have the meatballs!
- WorldofHiglet
Depends on their implementation of the idea. Personally, I'm more excited about Wave based on what I know about the two, which I admit is very little.
- Bryan Bartow
I have a Wave sandbox, and it IS awesome! The announcement has to be related to the new OS or android
- Keith Barrett
Keith, if it's what I'm talking about then it is neither.
- Bryan Bartow
Bryan: hummmmm. Now I'm more tortured
- Keith Barrett
In the interest of full disclosure, my information is two levels removed from the source. Google -> vendor -> me. Still, I trust the source and when the idea was told to me it sounded very plausible.
- Bryan Bartow
I hope it's Google Base integration with Open Social widgets!
- Mitch
@manuel I just came back from Win7 ship party and i am astonished that how many man years does it take make a OS.
- Ruchit Garg
My team was actually asked to work on the project, but we unfortunately had to decline. It definitely would have been a cool project.
- Bryan Bartow
Ruchit: I understand, just speculating. Yet considering it sounds like a Linux distro running Chrome, it does not sound all that impossible.
- Manuel Mas
Maybe its the ability to call up contacts list when composing a message. That would be groundbreaking. :/
- jcunwired
@Bryan: Is it a Netbook with Chrome OS with all the Google Apps built in. Something like a GPad?
- Abhishek Tiwari
Chrome OS wouldn't be a real surprise. Even a Linux distro by Google wouldn't be a shock. Wonder what it could be... hmm...
- ChristianWV
killer than wave??? how many of you think google wave is a path breaking one?????
- hariharan kumar
Should be considerably easy for Google to accomplish since Wave is vaporware to the overwhelming majority of web users - even savvy ones who know about it.
- Chris Duffy
cool is always relative. I have learned not to get too excited. It may be cool for you but not me.
- Phillip Miller
It's going to be an anti-aging skin cream. It will be called the G-formula.
- Tomy Thomson
When I first heard about Wave, I thought big deal, chat and email. But after watching the entire presentation, I see it could replace Email, IM, IRC, Forums, Blogs and their commenting systems, etc.. and put it all in your 'INBOX'
- Tim Hoeck
from Android
Wave seems like another Orkut to me, so it wouldn't surprise me if there is something better coming.
- Cristo
Google AdSense on the new Coca-Cola Freestye soda dispensers?
- RAD Moose
@Abhishek Nope. Not hardware related if it's what I'm thinking.
- Bryan Bartow
I'd be willing to bet it is mobile-related.
- LogEx
Google shoul create a highly robust social media platform that integrates Google's products: profiles, mail, calendars, chat, voice, picassa, blogger, gReader, search, latitude, maps - that is what I would build :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I'm just going to call it gootopia (or should it be googtopia. hmm)
- Micah Wittman
from iPhone
Susan, I think that is happening already, bit by bit. Every month there are new capabilities and integration points. I'm optimistic on that front.
- LogEx
I was dreaming about getting access to wave now something new and better?!!!
- Mostafa Lameei
Mostafa: There's always something new and better coming from every front.
- Manuel Mas
Logical - Google product integration has way more potential than they have currently in production now. I see layers of useful and revenue generating features and improvents. The potential roadmap I see for this is highly disruptive and needed.
- Susan Beebe
from iPhone
If I had to guess, I would say 1) some type of Youtube Appliance (=Apple TV done right) or 2) Google News 3.0 (shifting from news to a discovery engine). The TV thing is probably bigger and somewhere they have a big competitive advantage with Youtube.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
USB plug in directly to right ear download contents of mental zipper - ready to upload to friends
- PookyMedia
Another big opportunity besides realtime communication is media streaming so my guess is a Silverlight-like (RIA) platform with special focus on adjustments dependent on the device used for consuming and open enough that augmented reality innovations will play nice with current "standard" codecs
- Alberto Saavedra
Google Web Drive, under the "Cosmo" codename. Read Blogoscoped or GOS. I think Ionut told me he expects Cosmo to be launch before Sept.
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
Google Web Drive would be cooler, in a way..ve.
- Nick Humphries
"Google buying FF" - Noooooo! It will just get killed like some of the other high profile acquisitions they have made.
- Travis Koger
@Allen I love the concept, @Travis google killed the app that were at their first stage of development, FF is 85% finished (mean completed) the rest 5% will be user innovation, so even if Google buy FF they will not change a line in the code or the architecture.now who is the firt to like this post?!! what did Greader this week? who from Greader left the office to go to FF? too many question!!
- abdellah
but let be clear, all the above are just speculation.
- abdellah
Nope Abdellah. Cosmo have been mentionned numerous times in official docs and in the code of some apps.
- Jérôme Flipo
from iPhone
@Jerome havn't understand what do you mean by Cosmo
- abdellah
It has to be quantum computing. all computation done outside of time and space.
- Walter Logeman
I'm thinking Google Chrome with Native Client for super fast rendering of web applications (including Wave).
- George Moga
Introducing Google Goo: Making the web squishy, coming late 2009.
- DGentry
Won't be hard to be cooler than Wave. Yes, I'm not a big Wave fan: way too noisy, messy, unusable... Maybe I'll change my mind in the future but for now, I still don't get what we'll do with this stuff and I don't buy the idea.
- Pascal Thivent
Okay, here are my predictions. First, let me say that being cooler than Wave will be quite hard because that's pretty awesome (do you have sandbox access Pascal? Because I'm sure that will change your mind). (1) Google TV - Never mentioned anywhere officially and would definitely be cooler than most others, however VEVO is somewhat similar. (2) GDrive/Cosmo/whatever they call it - would...
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- Californian
This churn in applications wears me out! Where do you get the energy?
- ZuDfunck
The amount of web-based applications being delivered from Google is amazing. There is so much potential in Google voice apps, Google Wave, which will put their social apps on steroids and now an OS. If they can leverage their brand and fan base into these other verticals; they will be a force to reckoned with and a huge target for anti-trust regulators...
- Mark Harai
Google Cloud. In your pocket, on your desk, embedded ---anywhere, anytime at anyprice.
- Thom Kennon
Wow Thom - that actually does sound VERY cool...
- Mark Harai
Probably something to do with a more direct Windows competition. If you look at Google's recent products, many of them are meant to replace Microsoft products.
- William Mougayar
from iPhone
A multi-platform OS is the only thing in my mind that could top Wave. Can't wait to find out for sure though what this will be!
- Garin Kilpatrick
I bet it's the Gdrive after I've just paid for an extra 10GB storage on Google. Would be cool to be able to access all my files from any google app, so I could add a picture from picassa webalbum or embed a video of mine/ favourited without having to go to the other site and copy a URL. This would set it up nicely for google OS
- Steven Horner
from iPhone
It's a kind of gyro balanced 2-wheel personal transportation device, IT will change everything. The way we live, the way cities are built.
- Ray Cromwell
Crazy. I wonder if it will read my mind and stream content related to my thoughts in real-time.
- Dane
What!? Cooler than Wave. I'll give my left nut to find out what & to be a tester.
- Brian Felix
from iPhone
Whatever it is, I'm sure IT WILL BE BIGGER THAN THE INTERNETS!
- Andy Bakun
It is a Google-branded reality distortion field developed in collaboration with Apple. The reality distortion field prototype is so strong that Eric Schmidt was forced to resign from the Apple board of directors, lest his field encounter that of Steve Jobs reulting in mutual annihilation in a devastating burst of pure energy.
- thegeniusfiles
That's a really interesting idea, Gabe. It seems to go a bit against the drive that Google Apps will reduce the need for IT departments though, so I doubt it.
- Californian
Google will be hiring people to come to your house and physically direct your searches.
- Chris Baskind
Google has created an OFF button for the internet and will demonstrate their magic later this year. After that, Google will solidify the world under one government known as the Google Wave Party. Then, SkyNet will be born and we will all be shocked and amazed when Google Androids storm through our neighborhoods, killing us all.
- Bradley Farless
More exciting than Wave. Has got to be Tsunami
- Sidharth Dassani
I don't know... I am having Friendfeed problems too
- Kimberle Kelly
I hate to say it but it doesn't seem likely that Twitter is the only target being DDoS'd. Facebook and LinkedIn have both been having problems with certain services since around the same time.
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
Yep. Seems Twitter's recovering: I've been able to log into it twice in the last minute. Haven't been able to post yet, though.
- Jordi Soler
Kimberle: FriendFeed is working here fine.
- Robert Scoble
facebook is slow too - hows friendfeed then?
- michelle harris
guys, I am hearing from sources on IRC on DALnet that Friendfeed is also being attacked
- Mark
FriendFeed stopped loading quite a few times this morning. And a few of my comments failed to post too. ... like I just had to try twice to post this.
- Daniel Sims
i've been getting lotsa latency on FF all a.m.
- Thom Kennon
What does this mean? Are all sites susceptible to attack like this? (i'm not a geek enough to know)
- Helene
This was a test to see if we would run to FF - and we did :-)
- courtney benson
It looks like most of the prime players in social media aside from FriendFeed have been having problems all morning. Damn antisocial script kiddies!
- Michael Owens
from iPhone
facebook can't open... also i've problems with ff... i couldn't post my comments
- Zeynep Okyay
wonder if this is the mullahs in Iran, hunting for green faces everywhere...
- Thom Kennon
Note: I am getting 57% packet loss on Friendfeed right now
- Mark
Severe packet loss still coming from twitter.com, many API calls are being rejected.
- Mark
FF has been acting weird today too. Some comments don't post the first time, and I got a couple error messages.
- Tomy Thomson
As long as i can see these comments and see there is a problem with Twitter and other social media, I am fine. Hope everything gets back to normal soon.
- ashish
I've put in an API call to get Scoble's list of followers about ten times now and every one has failed
- Mark
loved the comment someone made about CNN it will take them two days to report the Twitter outage
- courtney benson
CNN are reporting on (almost gushing about) the DoS. think maybe they're still pissed about #cnnfail ?
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
Well what do you know CNN made it in two hours. Guess one of their 7 reporters got the news from the Internet. :-)
- courtney benson
nothing on 4chan about the attacks in the random page from what I can see
- Mark
here's something weird - i tried posting to FB update with link to a thread here and it fails, 3 x now - "network" error.
- Thom Kennon
Ok Mark. Your API call is the DoS attack then... ;)
- Tomi Itkonen
somebody call the sports writers over at ESPN to let them know too... they had their "social networks" turned off yesterday. now we know they feel.
- Thom Kennon
hehe. It was about a year ago that twitter was really bad, do you remember?
- Mark
Yeah. Twitter has actually been pretty stable recently.
- Tomi Itkonen
Reposts from Twitter are staring to appear here on FF. Maybe the worst is over?
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Google search for "denial of service" has results about this current Twitter issue. GoogleBots are pretty snappy nowadays.
- Tomi Itkonen
I hope people are checking DNS servers. Often when multiple major independent services are DoS down it's via a DNS attack
- Keith Barrett
from Android
Mark Twitter was almost constantly down in 2007 and 2008 and always showed off a famous graphic of a whale. Now known as "fail whale."
- Robert Scoble
Members of 4chan's /b/ are indeed claiming that they exploited Twitter to cause the outage: http://ff.im/6fMrU -- whether they really did it or not is an entirely different story. /b/tards occasionally take credit for things that they do not do related to hacking / DDoS / etc
- Michael Owens
I first found i couldn't tweet around 3 hours ago. Wondered what was up--now I know~!
- Patricia Skinner
I get terrified of going to /b. never know if you are going to see naked images of 16 year old polish boys or photoshopped images of Sarah Palin having a shit.
- Mark
Nah, probably some1 did it 4 the heck of it or 4 a challenge! sigh :(
- polou/indigo_bow
@Apostol cannot be just by @RobertScoble by himself unfollowed 106,000 people on Twitter there r more reasons 2 DDoS. There r hobbyists that wants 2 challenge themselves or professionals doing those kinds of attacks 4 the reasons we might not even known until much later.
- polou/indigo_bow
FB wasn't working consistently and Flickr was having hiccups!
- Emi Endo
Twitter back up on my grid, funny but zero trending topics in the right rail. Am using #dos as hashtag but not much found there, yet.
- Thom Kennon
Twitter was back about 2 hours ago but again it isn't working.
- Zeynep Okyay
We're wondering how long it will take for someone to try to blame 4chan for this.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
We can survive future DDOS attacks by adopting an alternate, robust networking solution for tweets: http://crankypm.com/2009...
- DGentry
I don't think its about just Twitter its about the Web's vulnerability and Google finally jump on the bandwagon to assist 2 investigate this DDoS attack. I start 2 notice that some websites all over r slowing down or degrading in some form today.
- polou/indigo_bow
I had a feeling it would happen sometime. DoS attacks are not all that uncommon.
- Nile Flores
What I don't get is that some people are getting tweets out... and I can't get anything...
- Robert Freeze
Robert apparently the site is "up" but the api is still shaky. Some apps are getting through while other's are still down. It probably has to do with network topography and where different apps backend servers are located.
- Ron Hudson
I was able to post through friendfeed, and through twitter.com, but SocialScope is timing out :(
- Ron Hudson
my friendfeed entries are having trouble posting on Twitter - is the problem twitter ?
- Mekkar
I used Google and it was down for a couple of minutes I was going to tweet about it and that was down too I wonder if someone was doing a demo of a zombie network..maybe it was a sales pitch?
- BairdWilliamson
open microblogging standards have a chance to distribute the functions over multiple heterogeneous networks
- Mike Chelen
This morning, I noticed that FriendFeed 'lost' pictures I've posted from a Facebook page (but not the whole entry)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Disqus lost 1 of my comments about this DOS attack, on my own Tumblr. But I saw it.. twitted!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
I need serious help with FF. For an idiot like me this isn't so intuitive really. Help section is nice but I need someone to hold my hand ..bleeech. Don't get me wrong I am sorry I was reluctant to try FF before
- cheapsuits
I blame Scoble. It's always his fault :-)
- Keith Barrett
but how am I going to tell the world I need a cup of tea???? nooooooo
- Rachel Clarke
Giorgio - I'm seeing some activity through the Twitter API, too (that's what TweetDeck uses, I believe); not a lot, but some
- Robert J Taylor
I thought it was just my connection. ;-) I'm also having problems with Facebook today.
- Timothy Federwitz
yeah, it seems the web interface is down but the api is working..
- Giorgio
I think the social media experts are going to spend the next hour talking about Twitter being down
- Keith Barrett
Scoble's followers where the glue keeping Twitter together! now that he's 'pulled the pin' and released them all, Twitter has fallen down and can't get up.
- MikeAmundsen
Seems to me like some sort of an (DDoS) attack on Twitter and Facebook.
- Jari Hakkarainen
I'm so lost this morning without my cup-o-Twitter
- frank barry
You broke it Bob! All this follow/unfollow madness.
- ZuDfunck
They'll comment on it, much like I just did.
- Marlin Forbes
Yiorgas: read a book for a change? I do that anyway, but only about 10/month. need more twitter time to balance it out
- Rachel Clarke
Facebook is copying twitter too closely...even to going down at the same time
- Robert Littlejohn
Does Twitter have what it takes to be a big player? We've been working with their API on a project and every time there is something out of whack. Anyone else have the same issues?
- Chris Nadeau
twitter is really down, I think twitter itself should have a site that tweets when it's down :)
- Ata İsmet Özçelik
They will use FF to inform their friend that twitter is down
- Didier Girard
This is very interesting that it is impacting more than one social network ... can't even speculate what the cause is yet. Not getting much work done today I'm afraid, going to be following these conversations..
- Joe Magennis
I haven't been on twitter for days. I guess I picked the wrong morning to jump back in.
- Jeff Stannard
Robert: The most important question>> How many new sign-ups for FF today?
- K.N. Ajit Narayan
GUILTY ! I have had a FF account for awhile just never used it--
- cheapsuits
What the celebrities like you do. Talk about it on Twitter.
- Tad Chef
This actually made me laugh out loud, because I was thinking the same thing!
- Dan
This kind of reminds me of a line from Office Space: "I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. Shit. I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."
- Jari Hakkarainen
Could this mean that CNBC was right??? Nooooooooooo!
- Travis Koger
I was planning to unfollow a bunch of followers due to Twitter's follow limit rule kicking in at the ~#2000 user level. I have to wait with that then... ;)
- Martin Lindeskog
Twitter being down is a a relief to me this morning! Now I can stay OFF it rather than fitting it into every 30 second change of task! n
- Arleen Anderson
at this rate they will have to start sending out junk mail via the post office again... oh the humanity
- Terry Bruce
I feel like we are all stranded on a tropical Island together
- Jeff Wiant
was afraid for a moment that out IT blocked all social networks or something horrible like that. Thank god FF came back up quickly. This might have gotten me to use FF more. I often neglect it.
- Ryan Cummins
Wondered why tweetdeck wasn't loading anything. actually got some programming work done. lol
- Justin Long
twits will move, but only until twitter is back online, then there will be a mass exodus. Remember during all of the 2007/2008 fail whales users still flocked back to it regardless.
- Travis Koger
Twitter, Facebook, now Posterous... 4chan organize an attack or something?
- Sam Harrelson
from IM
took inordinate amount of time to get into ff today as well
- A Zmaj
Hmmm DoS attack...someone wanting a ransom from Twitter?
- Mike Gargano
Guess they'll have to either pick up the phone or do some work :)
- Graham Bunting
Can someone with 94k followers really mock the the celebs and experts devoid of Twitter?
- Augie Ray
Hey, no bogus follow messages in my inbox for a while! ;-)
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
This is teaching us something about the framework of the current Internet traffic patterns. We're watching cascade scale problems from one major Internet program going down.
- Melanie Reed
Facebook is giving up the ol', "Transport error (#1001) while retrieving data from endpoint `/ajax/inline_comments.php': A network error occurred. Check that you are connected to the internet" message now.
- 3Cinteractive, L.L.C.
from twhirl
I think this is bigger than Twitter and FB... I think it's some interweb routes or something. I had a VoIP call going with a party local to me and two across the country and I lost the two across the country, but maintained the local party. And others are commenting on other sites showing signs of outages.
- Timothy Federwitz
from Alert Thingy
Yeah, had all the characteristics of a DDoS attack. What do perpetrators of such attacks get from doing that, I've never understood.
- Jari Hakkarainen
The real bummer for me is, now I actually have to listen to the radio to get the word of the day!
- Travis Owen
is twitter connected with FB or Friendfeed? I am having page errors with both, Ajax issues with FB intermittently , I am no tech geek so I have no clue whats up and come here to learn
- lisa coultrup
Maybe Ev's interview on the BBC last night didn't go down well with the Iranians!
- Andrew
from iPod
Tracing route to twitter.com [168.143.162.100] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 172.16.1.1 2 25 ms 29 ms 28 ms lo1.br57.fra.de.hansenet.net [213.191.64.45] 3 24 ms 24 ms 23 ms ae1-252.prju01.fra.de.hansenet.net [62.109.64.13 7] 4 24 ms 23 ms 24 ms fra32-hansenet-3.fra.seabone.net [89.221.34.61] 5 120 ms 119 ms 195 ms ash1-new50-racc1.ash.seabone.net [195.22.206.2] 6 125 ms...
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- Zalt Woo
Ev coming onto the BBC last night and saying that they were asked by the US Goverment to keep Twitter up and running during the Iranian protests cannot have gone down well in Tehran!
- Andrew
from iPod
DoS on large portions of the internet. Is this 4Chan... Chinese... N. Korea... durkadurkastan...
- Ryan Cummins
now having trouble getting to Friendfeed
- Justin Long
look, few days ago Clinton back home with two imprisoned american journalists from North Korea and today Korea is attacking twitter? it is revenge)))
- obolonskyi
maybe Robert's great unFollowing crashed the servers... no loss! Go FF
- Jay Shapiro
from BuddyFeed
As I said, I predict a baby-boom in 9 months... wait and see!
- Jordi Soler
SEO Experts can analyze their charts, celebrities and wannabe's can entertain us with video (maybe some cool Twitter Whore like stuff) , and social media experts can quickly become Fail Whale Experts.
- Michele Lorito-Chase
@Lee Provost don't you thing you're going to be a little apocaliptic ? :-)
- Filippo Ronco
Twitter downing has to be a lesson for all of us. if sometimes gmail or even google will be down. what we all are going to do in that situation???
- obolonskyi
@Filippo i've been suprised many times that reality is often more wacked up than the conspiracy theories of geeks :-p
- Lee Provoost
I'm hoping the social media experts go away and do something useful.
- Parvez Halim
@Jordi LOL, considering that there are a vast amount of single male computer geeks out there in the twitter community, baby boom effect might be negligible :-D
- Lee Provoost
what is bad here? here doesnt exist reply button =(
- obolonskyi
The realtime updates of the comments is great. FF rulez. Would be better though to have the comment link not on top
- Flynn (Michael A. Volz)
@Lee single male computer geeks - LOL))
- obolonskyi
AAANND.. it's back. At least for a moment I guess..
- Alex Schleber
AAANND it's GONE! ..Again. At least I managed to send out a quick FriendFeed SOS, as in: "Still think you shouldn't have all of your favorite tweeps in a "backup system" on FriendFeed? Join here: www.friendfeed.com/alexschleber "
- Alex Schleber
Either collapse or back to use their phones in voice only mode, do some shopping, get eye to eye contact ... Blame god, and then. Give a serious try on FF ;p
- Marco ILLESCAS
from iPhone
They will still be able to Tweet to themselves - not sure if they will realize it is down until it comes back up.
- Phil Harrison
What will the blackhat SEO experts, the SM spammers, and the social media experts do during a widespread outage? The answer is obvious: While sitting out the crisis they're fine-tuning their methodology. Seriously, your question offends me. There's a gazillion of SEO experts out there who do not abuse social media.
- Sebastian
Sebastian there can't be a gazillion SEO experts! What's 10,000 keywords times 20?? (and that's being generous!)
- Arleen Anderson
Would a social media expert consider it to be a crisis? If they rely so heavily on just one or two tools that it's enough to throw them into a tizzy, their expert status would seem to me to be ... questionable, at best.
- Gord McLeod
Arleen, 10,000 keyword phrases times 20 is a tiny fraction of the search terms that are worth optimizing for. Think of the long tail. Also, consider lots of webmasters and even publishers / site owners / bloggers / Web developers ... SEO experts who are able to optimize their stuff quite successfully but don't sell or publish their expertise. Many of them, and even many SEO consultants, do make sensible use of social media, as plain users.
- Sebastian
Gord, in a social media spammer's book 2 hours of outage, IOW 2 hours w/o sales from sneakily distributed links to questionable sales pitches, can sum up to way more than a good day's beer money. ;) However, "crisis" might be a term too strong for this potential loss.
- Sebastian
Arleen: yes, reading this is fun. Sebastien SEO types are so easy to wind up. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Gotta love it... @RobCairns says "come to Friend Feed? Not" and then his page shows ONE POST from Twitter in the past 18 hours! And that one talks about how Twitter seems to be slowing down again! (Sorry Rob, but that's just too good to let pass!)
- Mark "DerBingle" J
Robert, admit it, you broke Twitter by massively unfollowing people. The DDoS attack reports have just been a ruse to cover up the fact that you were the backbone of Twitter all this time.
- Louis Trapani
Keep running into the wall a few times then find alternate outlets such as ff, linkedIn, etc...
- Kirsten Mitchell
from iPhone
Looks like the devious plan to move everyone to FF is working well. LOL :)
- Geer
Ha! The whole Facebook Twitter slowdown may have been just people clicking on spam (not a DDoS botnet). How funny! Manual DDoS. See Bill Woodcock's theory at CNet, AP, SF Gate, and The Register http://ff.im/6gLmO
- Mitchell Tsai
There you go again implying the only ones that use twitter is SEO experts, the celebrities, the spammers, the bots, and the social media experts - This is definitely SPIN. Perhaps you should join CNN also LOL
- RetiredTeacherD
Ironic, given your status as a celebrity social media expert who constantly spams about bots... :-P
- David Kettler
Now they'll have time to shower and do their laundry!
- Ron Hagenhoff
Great blog appreciate all of your "likes" that I would not have noticed before. Thanks for all the time you spend educating us.
- Gary Prechtel
auto-follow always seemed like a bad idea. people can always msg you but your stream will get totally cluttered if you dont do a little bit of housekeeping.
- William Kapes
Oh you are getting quite a response here!!!! I'm commenting so you'll follow me but the thing is you're going to LIKE following me because you'll learn all about Sedona through tons of videos and you'll love it so much you'll want to pack your camera and head out here! =)
- SedonaTV
Thanks for the mentions, Robert (and you know I'm not commenting just for the follow - I just like to follow you, which is what counts!)
- Jesse Stay
Guess I might as well delete that overpriced twitter app I bought last week.
- Shea
from iPhone
Actually Robert, now I've seen you've tidied up your twitter, I'll probably follow you there again too. :-)
- Tim
Meh, who cares really, not like you read everyone you followed. Plus unfollowed you anyways, not like you have to say that's interestined except friendfeed spam.
- Steve
@scobleizer just created the most important tech follow list on Twitter.
- Christian Anderson
aww shucks, and here I was thinking it was just me who you unfollowed.
- Jess Sloss
I underwent the same situation, Robert - I unfollowed almost everybody on Twitter who duplicated their accounts here on FrF. I got a tempest of fury for this action. web3 is too personal still ))
- massagin
I feel fortunate that you're still subbed to me on FF. I haven't even noticed whether you unfollowed me on Twitter. But you following me, still hasn't gotten me the chicks. :P Always fun seeing your posts, long as you don't block me, it doesn't matter if you follow me or not. :)
- Arlan Koizumi
I did the same thing some weeks ago after avoiding twitter because it got too noisy. It was instantly better. But in the mean time I started to use FF more and I like it better here so I hardly go near twitter now.
- Murray Barton
You already follow me here on ff, which i use more than twitter.
- dthree
Don't think you are following me on Twitter anymore..please do and best regards
- Karma Martell
I'm still trying to figure out the following... so I'm watching how you do it scoble.
- Matthew Schrock
Good plan. I'm looking forward to your results. I'm trying to figure out all these social media elements. I would appreciate your Twitter follow.
- David Stanley
Odd internal response, I don't follow everyone who follows me cuz of the very noise you talk about. And, there's no good reason for you to follow me since I'm unlikely to deliver news of interest to you. And yet, here I am, posting on FriendFeed so you have the OPTION of following me, a stranger who is not the same kind of SMART as you. Who'd have thought...
- Della Mauler
Interesting statement about original content value of FF independent of twitter. Twitter is where you keep your noise level down...
- James Watters
This seems like asking for trouble to me, Scoble. But, it's your time and bandwith to do with what you will. Since only a handful of people (by that I think I mean just one) follow me on Twitter, it's pretty easy for me to weed out the bots. The people I follow are my internet nerds (mostly the Rev 3 crew) so I know their interests are in line with mine. Hit me up for some edifying conversations about Lost and video games, Robert.
- Jeremiah Green
Here you go Robert! [also via twitter: @Scobleizer Therefore: only approx. 1.7 million "active" human @Twitter users contribute 50%+ of all activity, right? #engagement] Regards, @AAinslie
- Alexander Ainslie
You're still following me - does that mean I'm a smart feller? ;)
- Brett Kelly
so glad I mail Robert a business card every month :)
- Christian Anderson
Della: the thing is here I can follow you and put you into a list and watch you less frequently than some of my other people. So everyone wins. But only here on FriendFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Some of us have been doing this from our start. Kind of cool, eh? But our numbers don't grow quickly so we were tagged as "slow." Nice to see you catch up with us! Also, this may shock you, there sre folks who follow and communicate with only 3 folks on twitter and they are HAPPY! Imagine....
- lynda spangler
I've long thought the entire Twitter "etiquette" of always following who follows you to be a bit of a folly. I'm following 114 at the moment, and the stream still moves too fast for me to keep up with.
- Darren Landrum
Good test, count me in... I don't follow tons of people, I follow a few prolific Scoble-types and the rest are more focused in areas I'm interested in.
- David Ziembicki
I'm not following tons of people, just a select few. More to follow on FB when facebook has completely integrated Friendfeed-funcionality. ;-)
- Wolfgang G. Wettach
I only follow people I know or have something interesting to say, did you really have 160000 people that said something worthwhile???
- Gerard van Schip
Gerard: everyone says something worthwhile once in a while. The trick is to see it when it happens. Here on FriendFeed, by the way, you have a better shot because good stuff usually gets liked and commented on, so it pulls up higher into my view.
- Robert Scoble
Nice post Robert, and no surprise it's an improvement. ;o) I have seen it for me too.
- Rob Sellen :o)
1 thing I find Robert still worth following @Scobleizer when I am not on friendfeed & on my Hootsuite or PeopleBrowsr. therefore not much affected, not much 2 bother me, ego not gone at all. luv your post Robert it is a frank posting
- polou/indigo_bow
Follow me Robert, I promise I'm not annoying. :) @cluteman
- Greg Clute
from iPhone
Robert, thank you! I follow you and enjoy your "likes" and your energetic takes. I also enjoy your Building43 interviews! I am a constant FriendFeed user now. Thank you!
- Tobin Truog
This made me realise I must be more active on FF and comment/post more :-).
- Mats Pettersson
I think I'll give FriendFeed a go! Never tried it, but looks easy and I need to understand the interwebs better. @CodeSamurai_Com
- CodeSamurai
butt-kissing is not a prerequisite for being followed, he will follow you anyways :D
- Mark
You can follow me, but since you follow a lot of people, you probably can't pay attention to the stream of tweets.
- Alex Knight
Alex..that's the WHOLE point he did this... ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
IMHO 1,647 is still way too many people to follow.
- Alex Knight
I will NOT get baited into ... ah CRAP. I follow very few people on twitter, mainly only to find info from Android developers (my topic of choice). If you mention anything about the food you are currently eating, etc.. you will probably not be followed. If you post 80,000 times a day, you will not be followed, since Twitters interface sucks (not so for FF). Also, no offense to other social users, but if you resend your FF/FB/<insert other social site here> entries to twitter, I probably won't follow.
- Tim Hoeck
Oh..Oh... Mr. Kotter...Mr Kotter..follow me!
- Scott Booher
Glad to see you're writing more than 140 characters on that blog. Doesn't that feel liberating? Maybe we should be allowed character# based on your metric for powerful/smart/newsmaker
- Noah Bloom
You already follow me here on FF, for which I thank you. So, I'll just say thanks for the phone call the other day. :)
- Jeff Harbert
Ok, so follow me again and I will follow you back. Thanks!
- Audrey
Robert - I fail on most of your criteria so I'm not expecting you to follow me. The thing is I don't care if you follow me back - this is social media and everyone has their own choice. I choose to follow you because you entertain and inform me. The relationship is 100% one way and I am more than happy with that!
- Pon
Robert - Last night at GDGT Party the person at the Blackberry booth said: 1) She had 'heard of Twitter, never friend feed' uses neither 2) Is SCOBLE is coming tonight 3) Wow, your Blackberry is really "archaic" and find out when contract lets you upgrade. F-D UP? Booth babes need primers.
- Liza
Interesting theory... people who comment more apt to contribute?
- Mark Philpot
I know someone else who tried this strategy last year, with similar results. I've been debating it. Once I got over 3K followers on Twitter life just got weird. Started to spend X amount of time every day blocking porn spam.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Liza: yeah, sorry for not coming to the party. I went and saw Obama's CTO instead.
- Robert Scoble
Steve Lynch: my Dunbar number is higher than yours is. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Nice summary Robert on the whole Unfollow thing, but would it be too repetitive if I re-post on my FF?
- Keith Rowland
What is the best friend feed aggregation strategy of non-friend streams (eg RSS, twitter, etc)? Imaginary friend per service, then add to lists? Multiple services per imaginary friend or 1 to 1? Or add the services to a group? What are the considerations?
- John Brown
Keith: you can repost anywhere you like, thanks!
- Robert Scoble
still wondering how you are able to handle such a big load of subscribers here and e.g. so many followers with twitter o_0. I am already (sometimes) lost with the few i got till now. Lately with one sweep almost 40 to 50 contacts in twitter disappeard and i have no clue why ... boah, how are you handling the noise? Hell, with so many ppl in, you might have a terrific noise? Or you wear just good headphones ;)?
- Ronald
I very much agree that being choosy is the key to Twitter. I'm not nearly on the scale that you are, but in my experience, freely following people (whetther they follow me or not) and then mercilessly cutting back on them over and over again results in a kind of darwinianly better and better signal to noise ratio.
- Tim Maly
Liked the blog post and totally agree. I've been meaning to do something similar. What I do is occasionally prune and then add some "better" replacements, so my total is always 2000 follows.
- Bora Zivkovic
I don't see how anyone can manage so many users without groups. Then again, with groups you could just make an "ignore" group.
- Oscar M. Cantu
from iPhone
Great blog post. I totally agree on the noise level. I figure I have blocked a few hundred accounts on Twitter, and my noise level has dropped dramatically. Thanks for the follow!
- Tony "Frosty" Welch
Robert - I figured you were in DC from FF, but she had NO IDEA what a CTO is. Point is, she was eager to give you a Blackberry, but not me, and I wish I had a Scoble costume to pretend for 5 minutes.
- Liza
@Robert I think you are starting another mass follow again.
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Steve: that's not the problem. As long as spam doesn't enter the system I can deal. Keep in mind here I can choose how I follow. I can put you all in a folder that I never look at, if I wanted to.
- Robert Scoble
my feelings were hurt that you unsubscribed to me on twitter, but i agree with your methods
- Brian Appleby
Brian, yeah, but I follow you here. So there.
- Robert Scoble
really doesn't matter as long as i can follow you, that's the beauty of these services
- Brian Appleby
How did you come to follow so many to begin with? I get annoyed with ppl and unfollowing is easier than sifting through their garbage constantly.
- R1CC1
Autofollow was a horrible idea to begin with.
- David Chieng
I kind of tired to keep an eye on who follows me now,the ones I'm following is much more important.:-)
- Steve Chou
from fftogo
Robert: we need more intelligent spam-follower-filtering on Twitter! We need to fix this.
- Steve Lynch
from twhirl
@David +1 I think auto follow is such a bad idea to begin with,and people like Robert now even need to pay to unfollow these people.
- Steve Chou
from IM
How much did SocialToo charge for running the unfollow script?
- Shane
I've always been very picky in who I follow on twitter. I follow 40 people, and I can't guarantee that I see every single tweet. I don't scroll back usually, unless it's my "Real Life" column in Tweetdeck that couldn't fit on my screen.
- Tom Ribbens
My birthday is also January 18th, therefore you must follow me Robert! ;)
- Chris Luckhardt
from BuddyFeed
Thanks Steve! $25 is pretty reasonable. Wonder if anyone else will be jumping on the bandwagon
- Shane
Sometimes the tortoise beats the hare after all... building organically based on getting to know people and interactions tends to avoid the ghastly spammers, seo peeps and bots
- Sally Church
I'm outside your sphere, but bootstrapping is bootstrapping right?
- Travis Bedard
Tuesday night for the first time in 2 months I UNfollowed everyone on Twitter who wasn't following me. Since you had UNfollowed me, yup I unfollowed you. My Twitter account is so /FUBARed! It only goes to page 506 to show who I'm following and after that it is BLANK! I don't even know if they show in my Home stream. So Robert, I value what you say. Know I can tweet profusely - but it's as @replies to others with the occasional micro-blog thrown in. Question, what DID I do to cause you to UNfollow me?
- Arleen Anderson
Oops - I also meant to ask, Robert: how are you managing to follow the couple thousand that you are now re-following on Twitter? You must be using groups, I guess...any other methods? I find ~500 people to be a near max in terms of how many folks I can fully read.
- Lance M. Brown
Following your inspiration, I unfollowed almost 100 people last night and blocked about 1000 spammers, cam girls, MLM marketers, and the like. Twitter is more like it was a year ago, its almost like I gave my Twitter account an enema and it worked. Thanks for the original idea.
- Mark Edwards
Robert, I started out only following those I know and those I am genuinely interested in. I've only followed back a few of the people who've followed me. I have a second account that I decided to experiment with. I followed about 700 people on there. It has had about double the followers of my main account consistently. I am about to try some new tricks there with an auto-follow script I'm writing but I think I will stay the course with my main account.
- Paul The Raven
Robert, I tried the "follow everyone" (almost) method for a short time - then I'd unfollow about once-a-week. Now I try to schedule a "follow new" once a week. TweetDeck's group feature makes following lots of folks bearable. So does FF, but you've been saying that for-ever!
- Kathy E Gill
I will follow you if you follow me (Genesis)
- Keith Barrett
I may not be smart, but I'm smart enough to follow you!
- John Pfaff
It occurred to me (and surely to someone before me), that different definitions of "following" might be a big factor here. If I'm following someone, it means I'm following along with their updates. But others might see themselves more as becoming part of a person's "following". Not that they are necessarily reading the person's stuff, but they are willing to be considered part of that person's inflated Twitter posse, as part of the influence-trading aspect of Twitter.
- Lance M. Brown
Robert, I think that the biggest thing that changed is not that you were "wrong" (to follow everyone) before but that the Twitter population has changed so much. A year ago, pretty much everyone on Twitter was real, and interesting - now there's so much automated gaming the system going on that the signal to noise ratio has gotten unbearable. So I think anyone who cares about more than...
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- Matthew Blaisdell
I can't imagine how it would happen technologically, but it would be great if there was a way to ditch followers who weren't actually reading your tweets.
- Lance M. Brown
Enjoyed recent posts and look forward to more from you! Keep it up.
- One Degree Connected
All right, I'll bite :) - although I'll say that I did the mass-unfollow-thing months ago - long before it was cool.
- Justin
from Nambu
Your most active followers are on FF. No loss.If you really wanted to make a bold statement you ought to have blocked all of your followers and started from scratch.
- Benjamin Taylor
Been a while since I put you and Shel On the record...Online
- Eric Schwartzman
Good article Robert. I honestly enjoyed the perspective. I found the same to be true, but on a much lower scale, of course ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
I don't get it - so now you are using Twitter kinda like a normal person, and its some kind of miracle that it works better?
- Nick Lothian
I'm impressed you can keep up with 1600 people. I have trouble enough with the little amount I have. I did find that making FriendFeed imaginary friends and putting them in groups for those I'd like to read occasionally (but not on a regular basis) has helped a lot
- Tamara
me! i offer nothing but the warm feeling of having accepted a ff reject.
- Marco
ok. so how will you filter the noise now
- Kfir Pravda
Ooo, I've won the lottery. You'll follow me now. Wheeee! (how do you have the time to go through all of the names by hand? VA assistance?)
- Peggy Dolane
Interesting trend on twitter - I always wondered what sense it made to follow tens of thousands of people, too much noise. I'm finding it hard enough to follow 2900 (looking to cull even that down as I mostly tweet about 30 people!)
- Tia Singh, Life Coach
I like your ability to influence so many people. I'm following you (mostly here - on FriendFeed) because it's one of the ways to learn how you do it (but, please, do not follow me if you do not see anything you could learn from me :-).
- Hanna Wiszniewska
I would come up w/ a better vetting process.
- Joe
got to get a pic up so i can fit the criteria, I only follow 45 people and some of them are on thin ice ( Im lookin at you Scoble)
- James Hunter
"Where in The Net is Robert San Diego?" (cit.) :-)
- Luca Perugini
from iPhone
I'm not kissing your arse,but i do learn a lot listening to you.
- Paul Downing
@scobleizer why would you randomly follow people who comment in this post when you just got done knocking FFollo and having to unfollow a gazillion people on Twitter?
- Bryan Zirkel
Bryan: because I'm following people one by one and putting them into lists on my screen. Autofollowing means you aren't doing ANY of that thinking. Also, autofollowing will get you spammers, if they ever show up (and they will).
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: Read your blogpost and that's indeed what I look at to follow people too. No autofollow and even close friends have to tell something interesting for me to (keep) following. Friends who are new to Twitter (no tweets yet) get the benefit of doubt.
- Patrick Mackaaij
If you follow me, great, but if you don't I'll understand. :) And I ought to do some pruning myself...
- Grant Bierman
I still don't understand how you want to follow someone who just writes a comment over here. Well, this is not the first time. I did not understand why and how you followed 100k people. I find it hard to properly follow 100 people.
- Sumanth Kolar
Sumanth: obviously there are degrees of "following." When you read the New York Times, do you read the entire paper word for word? I don't. Same when I'm following. I only get random slices of some of my lists. Others, which have 500 people on them, get 100% read.
- Robert Scoble
I'm still here . . . although tired after teaching all day. Louis Gray came to my PR class at SFSU and WOWED the 50 students [except for one who thinks we are making too much of social media] We won't be following him.
- Shari Weiss
I still like the "stranger stream" of Twitter vs "friend feed" of other applications. I don't feel the need to read all tweets from everybody - and tools let me check my fave tweeples. I think mass unfollowing destroys some of the social contract - Robert you are lucky because you are well liked and can do some risky things but companies for example (not Brands of One) would be in...
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- Laurel Papworth
As @charleneli predicted back in January, 2009 will be the year of de-friending on social networks. It's here.
- Mark Evans
Laurel: yeah, you have to navigate these waters carefully if you are representing a brand, that's for sure!
- Robert Scoble
i will not get followed back: not powerful, don't have a brand, not a news maker... but i kinda understand the reasons
- Dani Martínez
I still think it all goes into how you use twitter. If your using it as a communication tool it depends on if you are looking for broadcast or 2 way. Its interesting to watch as some of the bigger names turn back from the broadcast and go back to the 2 way.
- Luke Kilpatrick
@Robert so when you're taking in information from FF do you have a feed of several dozen/hundred "key" people and then categorize the rest, or are you mainly searching? Do you utilize groups at all or mainly just rely on what comes across your feeds? I guess I'm curious as to how you're using FF to collect information.
- Bryan Zirkel
I have found Twitter becomes noise rather than a conversation once the following/follower thing gets over a certain mark. I think this is the dirty little secret of Twitter - if it just turns into white noise, rather than a filter, then it becomes less than useful.
- Michael Liss
I'm interested in how we'll all feel over the next few years as social networks continue to change and more people and organizations get on them. Obviously, many of us are getting fed up with spammers and are unfollowing them on Twitter and Facebook. I am also having a hard time keeping up with new subscribers on FriendFeed because I know less about them from their profiles and have to...
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- Cathryn Hrudicka
BTW, I feel like I'm finding lots of interesting new people to follow from these discussions that Robert and others are holding on FF. Cool!
- Cathryn Hrudicka
Am I too late to comment and get followed?
- Hichame Assi
LOL! I follow those I find interesting and which can give me useful information. And hope someone follows me for the same reasons.
- Flavio
Very interesting post - I've always thought that you guys who follow loads of people must get completely swamped by noise! Like you, I've found it useful to follow companies I use that have interesting products like Zoho and Evernote as a way of keeping up to date with their latest innovations. Excellent idea spelling out your "follow criteria" - it needs to become standard etiquette for social networks so that people don't get offended when they aren't followed back :) .
- David Meredith
aren't you doing the same thing here, that you did in Twitter? Choose carefully who you follow, filling your brain with pollution doesn't make you smarter
- Allison
Just finished reading the Mashable post on your unfollow exercise. It's attracting attention from all the other big names now.
- George Hall (Australia)
Very interesting indeed, I only to unfollow a few, cause I just never had auto follow on.. So now I just unfollow the ones I'm bored of..
- Jaap Willem
Seems like a good idea. Although Louis Gray also has a few valid points on his latest blog post why it might be a mistake http://bit.ly/19UKxk
- Silver Hage
I've never understood the auto-follow procedure on any social network. Even on Facebook, where it is obligatory, one can still lower the noise by simply hiding the updates of those who want to follow you, but perhaps also have little personal connection and therefore can be hidden.
- Noah Gray
It seems like the unfollowing was the easy part. Choosing who to follow again must have been a chore. I think it is crucial in twitter (and FriendFeed for that matter) to have a clear out every six months or so otherwise you get bogged down in an information feed you don't really care about.
- Chris Nixon
I can totally understand why you had to do this. I'm following 2700-ish folks on Twitter and I need 3 groups to manage it (using TweetDeck). I feel I am keeping up with most of my local community and the general tech community at large though I'm sure I'm still missing quite a bit of stuff from people who are not in the 3 groups. I also wonder how much more I can actually handle.
- Ken Seto
Um... well, I made something of myself, but then I didn't like what I made, so now I'm doing it all over again. Not sure how that fits with your criteria! Plus, I really don't have a brand or any influence to speak of. I do look great in boxers, however.
- Mark "DerBingle" J
OK, OK, changed my picture. Instead of a green clock (a clock is my personal brand) I put a picture of myself. A lot of people told me to do that....
- Bora Zivkovic
I am still looking for info on holographic technology being used for news delivery. Perhaps it's a technology that hasn't even been invented yet or is sitting on a shelf somewhere. What say you? http://specialdee.wordpress.com/2009...
- Denise
Hoping your new look account has had the desired effect. No need to follow me, I'm not the interesting type, I'll just be glad if your insights, links & content continues. Congrats & good luck
- JanLawrence
Here's what's interesting, Robert, I've noticed an uptick in followers even if you reply or RT or like someone's tweet, not just if you follow that person. Then again, perhaps that's the intent - if you like or RT someone's idea, that's a kind of stamp of approval.
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
The Scoble Pendulum.. How long till we go back to FOLLOW!! FOLLOW!!! FOLLOW!!!! ? :)
- Adrian Scicluna
I did a purge on Facebook for the same reasons a few months ago. It's under 300 and it's people I actually care about. I've come "this close" to running a purge on Twitter but haven't yet. Maybe this will spark me to do it. I've kept FF tight from the beginning.
- Rob Williams
moving from FB to FF ... fewer, longer, more meaningful threads. welcoming your follow. cheers
- marc calamia
alright - follow me... - thx in advance Robert Scoble...
- Nilesh
All that commenting in the past counts for nothing?
- Kevin Gamble
Hey Robert... Great post... On FriendFeed, I increasingly put people without meaningful and valuable content on a separate feed that I rarely check... Its a more "sensible" way to unfollow, i think... I only unsubscribe if I get pissed at someone etc. I wish, FF gave users the option to only unsubscribe from comments and likes (but keep the main feed). This would be a good tool to control the noise...
- Onur Kabadayi
I agree with Robert (duh!). I very briefly made the effort of checking out the new follows and deciding whether to follow back. I think once I hit a thousand I shifted to a model of occasionally saying, "If you want me to follow you, talk to me." Hit two thousand and quit saying anything or checking followers. I don't care if they follow me as long as they either say useful things like real people or don't talk at all. I've never autofollowed back. This strategy works for me.
- Patricia F. Anderson
I have a large difference between people I follow (around 2000) and people who follow me (around 1800) - I choose people who are important sources of information. People choose me if they think I am an important source of information to them. I never thought it would have to be a one-to-one relationship as to who is useful to whom: some are informative, others are good listeners and learners. I learn from people I follow and I hope my followers learn from me.
- Bora Zivkovic
I also think that those of us who follow larger numbers of people don't use the stream in the same way. It is more dipping in and out of the stream, trusting that the important stuff will be repeated enough to float to the top, engaging with conversations of the moment. I wrote a blogpost on this earlier this year: http://etechlib.wordpress.com/2009...
- Patricia F. Anderson
Someone told me twitter can be separated into two types. (id say at least two)
- Kay Proskin
Scoble, I am beginning to think you are a cult leader :). Look at all these comments! I am using FF more and more these days... Useful for eGuiders.com that's for sure.
- Marc Ostrick
I like Robert. He was one of the first people I followed on Twitter and brought me to FF. But I don't understand why people are desperate to have him follow them. Status? Some kind of virtual autograph?
- Tech Introvert
What the heck. Follow me if you like. I'll be as entertaining & informative as I can.
- Aaron Schaub
from iPod
Been considering doing the same. Your post just might be the flame that lights a fire you-know-where to get it done.
- Kate
I only follow a few people and keep losing track so lord only knows how you managed to even begin to keep track of a conversation before friendfeed came along
- Iain
from BuddyFeed
Well done! Who need followers that aren't reading your tweets anyway.
- Sean Rasmussen
I'm considering doing same once I'm more confident in my use of FriendFeed. I RT'd this and it resonated with at least one of my followers.
- Tony Hollingsworth
'Hand-crafted personal network' is the meme of the moment, and whilst I can see the workmanship, where's the value going to be for you, Robert, in following this rag-tag (no offence people :) ) of folks from a gazillion different verticals. (OK, so they're mostly life scientists).
- Andrew Spong
I use to want to be Bob Dylan. Now I am not so sure.
- ZuDfunck
My take: you can't be an authentic, credible voice to your community if you let 'sex & dollars' spammers hang on to your coattails. Spam followers matter.... in a bad way. Allowing them to be associated with you diminishes your potential value to genuine followers. It's a pain. It takes time. It's worth doing. More on this, if interested: http://tr.im/vJwb
- Andrew Spong
Hope to see more "old fashioned blogging", like it better than tweets. Tweets are bound to disappear into oblivion the moment they're posted.
- Willem (@wim66) ☠
"Spam followers matter.... in a bad way." - I certainly agree with this. I block pornbots just as quickly as they follow me. I'm less vigilant about the commercial follows, but usually they go away by themselves after a while.
- John Craft
You're already following me here (don't care about twitter tough), so i just hope you don't un-follow, even though you probably don't understand what i'm talking about most of the time, since it's in portuguese.
- Diego Sana
So what happened to the advantages to following so many people you always talked about?
- Bas
Thanks for connecting here, still learning all the advantages of FF
- carece
@Andrew Regarding spam followers and the idea that allowing them to follow you somehow dilutes your credibility, I just have to disagree. To me that places the burden on the wrong person. I don't have time to waste pruning those who follow me, unless they are overtly annoying.My stream is public, they can follow me anyway. What matters to me is that the spammers leave me alone. If they don't, I block them. If they keep quiet, I don't care.
- Patricia F. Anderson
What is important is not who follows me, but who *I* follow.
- Patricia F. Anderson
Follow me if you want, but I gotta warn ya, it's scintillating stuff!
- Pierce Presley
Funny my twitter feed is much noisier but I have been very selective on who I follow. I have tried to make the feed relevant and actionable. At times I post things that seem out of the norm on my twitter feed but that is mainly for the few people who follow me that don't get it but I am trying to keep up their interest level. I also control who follows me, yes this breaks the model but I think the follow everyone model was broken and reckless
- Richard Gallo
Am I interesting? Dunno. I'm often controversial, tho. ;) BTW, we met in person at a Pittsburgh Blogfest, but I really don't expect you to remember that.
- Eric Williams
Enjoyed the post. I just started Twitter a few days ago to get away from Facebook. I like friendfeed the best - can't wait until it becomes more mainstream.
- Robby Parker
Awesome move. Consider that my comment please :)
- Charlotte Barker
friendfeed is definitively more evolved that Twitter. Conversely, user bases of Twitter is still its real (and unique) point of strenght...
- Marco Castellani
Don't want you to follow me (unless you find my stream of interest) but it's quite interesting the number of people that comment to get you to follow!
- Ben Drury
Hey Robert! So, I would like to talk to you about a social media company I'm working with right now. They launched a few months ago and their trajectory and momentum is pretty amazing. Oh, and I started unfollowing the noise in my Twitter after I commented on your blog post.
- Gregg Le Blanc
Great ideas. I've been selective (though it fluctuates) about following people/accounts on Twitter since I joined about 2 years ago. I can't take too much noise.
- Joe Lance
from twhirl
I'm asking the same thing Bas asked... what about your video on the benefits of following so many people? I took a stab at that method of madness by starting to follow all kinds of people, and following anyone that followed me... but I always felt like I was missing good content from good people because of all the "spam". I started to use TweetDeck to create groups/columns for...
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- Timothy Federwitz
@Patricia - reminds me that I should probably review all my twitter followers and thin things down. :)
- JA Castillo
I did almost the same thing - unfollowed about 1000 from my 1500, no attention is way better
- Maarten den Braber
Couldn't agree more. It's about time we all grew up. BTW Don't follow me. :-)
- Gee Ranasinha
Robert what's the deal with Twitter?
- stockmanmarc
Your post makes good sense. I didn't auto-follow & still find folks to unfollow because their noise gets too loud.
- Debra Ellis
Very clever. I imagine the signal to noise is sooooo much better.
- Chris Brogan
I've been thinking about unfollowing a bunch twitter folks as well. I'll look at SocialToo again. My initial experience with SocialToo wasn't good. However, it was during their infancy.
- Ron Hudson
I don't blame you at all. Leo was all over that yesterday.
- Daniel B. Honigman
why would simply leaving a comment prompt you to follow me?
- David Wescott
You're not going to change your mind and mass unfollow us are you?
- walidmREALTOR
I suspect it identifies you as a real person interested in dialog, David.
- Eric Williams
Followers are currency and you have plenty to spend
- Lee Odden
Bob, did you do anything on Twitter recently ? Did you massively refollow people ? Seems like you screwed up Twitter : down for a while... ;-)
- Enikao
Your ego is amazing. You make it seem like it is a special deal to be followed by you. I'm glad there are many very bright, talented people here who follow others, regardless of class, education, social status and not based on some snobbish criteria.
- RuthNH
Wow, this is a lot of comments. And kudos for following Followable people who have something interesting to contribute to your day. I'm glad you did it, because that means you'll find AND share more interesting things. This, in turn, makes you more followable too. Thanks for seeing the light, so to speak.
- ax0n
Did this take down Twitter this morning Robert?
- frank barry
That must of taken a long time :-) I've always been a fan of twitter, but I must say they have struggled in the last few weeks. We are working with their API on a project and their seems to be an issue every other day that causes problems. Do they have what it takes?
- Chris Nadeau
I follow under 200 people and it's great. I can't imagine 1k+ . I add about three or four a month.
- Mike Janicke
I unfollow people when I find I ignore their tweets/updates. After reading your blog, I think we ALL need to be more judicious.
- Janet Barker-Evans
Is this why Twitter is down? LOL! Can't check to see if you unfollowed me. Hope not. You, Shel Israel, and Jeremiah Owyang were some of the very first people I followed way back before Twitter even had 100,000 people on the service. -- It's been a fun ride but, of course, the spammers always show up to make things difficult.
- Brenda Young
How do you really know if you should be following someone until you follow them for a while? Sometimes I don't start talking to someone until I see a common interest, then I tweet back and we start talking, but that could be months later. I don't follow everyone back, but I follow back those that interact. I will unfollow once I see that won't happen, or I don't like their tweets.
- Nadine Gilden
Twitter is victime of it own success, they have to re learn how to scal better, but more important they have to learn to share better.
- abdellah
looks like you'll need to follow at least 343 people LOL
- Shari Weiss
Friendfeed takes over for twitter finally?
- Thomas Resing
@Patricia I don't want potential followers to be put off by who is following me. I wouldn't want them to think I care more about have n+1 followers than I do about what they're going to see if they review who I've allowed to follow me. Not to cull spammers suggests I care more about my experience than theirs. To a great extent, the quality of their experience will determine the quality...
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- Andrew Spong
1600 ... isn't that a big number too? It could be you'll think again before you follow every one here :)
- Mario Gastaldi
Still waiting for my Building 43 t-shirt. Not that I'm bitter or anything. ;-)
- Donna Tuttle
Be sure to come by Dallas when you swing through Texas!
- Zaneology
from Nambu
Respect your opinion Robert but we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes I despise all the FakePornSpamBots who follow me. I block as many as I can, but can't keep up. Our views differ regarding what is important to SEE! I treasure home Home stream! I read it, refresh, read, refresh and in minutes I have the pulse of the world... at least MY world! EVERYONE has something of value to share at some point. If I UNfollow tens of thousands, I will miss so much worthy of consideration.
- Arleen Anderson
Just another reason why it's good to diversify, I can still read your posts here. :)
- Luis Sandoval
Funny. I was catching up on news on Friendfeed for some odd reason. Great post; plenty for new and long-time users alike to consider there.
- Alex Howard
I'm still waiting for the ultimate tool to manage my followings - I can only manage to keep up with about 1/3 of those following me. I'd love to see something that can tell me what friends of mine also follow those that I am or those that are following me. Maybe it's out there and I missed it?
- TheDiva Rockin
Anyone interested in assessing the quality of their followers should check http://tweetblocker.com. It's pretty chastening. I aim to improve on my C rating. http://www.buzzom.com is a fun, fast way of decoupling yourself from non-reciprocal followers. You can select individuals to purge, or flush 50 random non-reciprocal followers at a time.
- Andrew Spong
Robert, your timing could not be better. ;-)
- Dave Martin
Great post, with perfect timing! Dang it, Dave Martin just took it off my lips.
- Vadim Lavrusik
I hereby rename this comment thread neoTwitter <waves at followers>
- Andrew Spong
Awww, you gotta admit, saturation, the level of influence that you have, because of your high follower, count, is a tool of mass destruction. Seriously, did you think if you recommend an online service that people would not try it out? Was this an asassination attempt
- Peter Murphy
I'm glad i'm not the only one who misses /me actions from IRC, Kevin. ;)
- Eric Williams
With today's Twitter outage your timing is pretty stinking good, Robert. :)
- Chris Cree
Now to get the rest of the world to follow that same logic when it comes to follow/unfollow! I only started being more selective as Twitter (and everyone else) started getting aggressive with spammers or anyone that even remotely did a single spammy tweet. Now if only there were the same contact management tools available for the other social networks as with Twitter. No matter what though, I'll continue updating my status when I eat a peanut butter sandwich! (With Fluff of course!).
- Paul Monaco
Now I think that it is time to think about a way to make money using Twitter.
- abdellah
@Mark, +1. When in doubt, the default delegation of blame goes to Robert.
- Dave Martin
what is critical mass for twitter? Too few and nobody interacts, Too many and spam bots overwhelm, Is it 1K or 2K needed to get a real experience?
- WarLord
Hmm can you unsubscribe from "comment notification via e-mail" in FF on a *specific* topic? This one :-)
- Patrick Mackaaij
Of course I thonk it is a different experience if you hand follow reading each bio from the beginning then these mass purges are unnecessary
- WarLord
I am intrigued how RT addict will RT now?!! (ps: FF please don't post this to my twitter)
- abdellah
I have been keeping my twitter account private a majority of the time lately b/c I am going through a divorce, but I really kinda like it. Have been reducing followers as well as the number I follow.
- Jackson Miller
You should follow me here in FF and on Twitter too!
- Karthi
hopefully most of us have proven our worth beyond commenting on this single thread
- andy brudtkuhl
If you are already following me on ff does that mean I get a cookie or something? ;-)
- Tomy Thomson
I'll add my name to the list. I came back to FF after the Twitter DoS outage. Maybe Scoble broke Twitter by all his unfollowing. He was the "glue" holding Twitter together. :-)
- Tom Newman
Robert: Here's the bit you missed off the end of your title here: .... and put them in that group I don't read :-)
- Jim Connolly
add me for your social media and the practice of law news!
- Rex Gradeless
Great post. I'm sure that some people might say that this kind of mass unfollowing will hurt Twitter, but I think it's just the opposite. Users who are following people they have no interest in just to pad their own numbers are diminishing the meaning of "following."
- Mark Denton
To stave off being unfollowed we need to comment here ya say?
- Jason
you are already following me here... perhaps you'll consider re-following me on twitter too
- tinym dot com
I don't know how you ever did it the other way. I am not in the tech world near as much as I used to be, which wasn't a whole lot. I just followed some random people I saw on SMugMug-related people on here when I started. You were one of them. I had no idea who you were (and still don't :-), but you talked about Twitter a lot too, which got me on there as well. Both services have really...
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- James Schipper
Quality over quantity in all things, including (perhaps especially) Twitter. Loved your friending methodology -- those are the same rules I've applied since being on Twitter. Posted them onto Posterous to share the love with credit to you: http://lorilaurentsmith.posterous.com/
- Lori Laurent Smith
it's not about unfollowing, it's about filtering...
- Barak Hachamov
I started out following everyone on Twitter.Then I got wise. When someone's stream becomes more noise than signal, that's when I consider unfollowing. I realize that threshhold is different for everyone, but I'll take "what I had for lunch" over a dozen bogus "marketing tips" any day.
- Julie Barrett
from twhirl
Well, I am trying to use FriendFeed more after watching Scoble's video on all those monitors he had up. I'm not a big consumer of information and don't own a TV but this online social stuff has been a perfect fit into my life because I can connect with people who are fountains of knowledge on a specific subject or are "human mashups". I like both!
- Adria Richards
I've been reading al of this unfollow bits, and this point of yours:
- Donna
Hey, I think that today you might make your point about FriendFeed being more interesting than Twitter. Hope you are well. Talked with @fransteps this morning and she is excited to work with you at Rackspace.
- Kami Huyse
I've been reading all of this un-follow posts lately, and this point of yours in WHY you unfollowed: "#2 Because I personally care about everyone I am following their noise level is a LOT lower. ." Is exactly what I do. And now I am starting to understand Friendfeed more. and using posterous to do aggregate posts. So is this overload making more people sit up and think first? I think so. At least the intelligent ones.
- Donna
This is a great move, Robert. It's also a lot more human...I was almost convinced that you were the only person who could actually drink from the fire hose without choking.
- Steffan Antonas
That sounds fair. After this morning, I've renewed my love for FriendFeed and Tweetworks. Until the next DDos attacks, of course. I will miss the fake porn stars, but I did when I moved from L.A.
- Scott Pierce
Steffan; I agree...there is no way anyone else could do what Robert S. does. It's good to see him become human.
- Robert Jones
This has been my problem for about the past six months. I routinely go in and unfollow, get the noise level down to where I want it, and then end up following back a bunch of new people, some of whom I'm incredibly grateful to get to know. When I had track, it was a whole lot easier to manage the stream, but I suspect even that tool would now be out of hand. I have a set of rules for...
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- Karoli
hee hee. i am commenting not so much to beg your follow but what a clever pitch:)
- Tresha Thorsen
Robert - I have not read all 416 comments so if this was asked and you answered forgive me. What was the all of a sudden revelation that caused you to reverse stance on Twitter Followers?
- Jeff Vreeland
It's difficult to maintain and filter a list on all the social networking sites. I cannot even imagine maintaining the kinds of lists you must deal with, Robert.
- Jeremy Brooks
Dude, you broke Twitter! When you unfollowed all of your 100,000 the other day you pulled the rug right out from under it, so it fell down and now it can't reach its beer. :-)
- Robert Morrison
Actually I felt rather sad being fav'ed by you on FriendFeed then dumped.. But again. I get more from you from FriendFeed, so oh well, stop talking about Following and Get on more with Tech! :P
- Du Senyao Peter
i like the idea of importing favorite tweets into friendfeed. i haven't used that favorite feature much because i haven't seen any real use in it. thanks!
- Jonathan Blundell
When twitter is down I always wish I could tweet: checkout friendfeed. Nevertheless, how will following folk that leave a message here really improve the quality of your input? While I don't want to judge many of the fine folk on this thread, are they all that interesting? In other words, isn't this the start of the same problem you had on Twitter...
- Jon Mountjoy
Robert, but why clutter your FriendFeed stream? This comment is not to get you to courtesy follow me on FriendFeed, think you've established you've changed your thinking. :)
- L.P. NEENZ FALEAFINE
OK, I have enough people to follow so I will close the comments on this thread. Thank you everyone, I will try to get to everyone today.
- Robert Scoble
but the question is how fast does google capture data form timeline?
- Veetrag
Veetrag: in minutes, is my experience. No longer than a day, for sure.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert I noticed that too, but I believe its because we write much more than 140 characters. So Google wouldn't have tweaked algorithm for it.
- Veetrag
Robert: Thanks for the info. Do you have any idea how soon does that information becomes obselete? Does Google have infinite storage/indexing capacity.
- Veetrag
Google has posts of mine from years ago still in its index.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: One more question, does Google give more importance to information from people with more followers? If so, they have to tweak algorithm for every service.
- Veetrag
I agree Robert. I have even seen friendfeed post's higher than the actual blog post there about.
- TheHenry
Veetrag: I don't think so. But they DO give more importance to items that have more inbound links. So I bet getting retweeted helps.
- Robert Scoble
True, blog posts can remain forever. but these sites are generating content at much faster rate. And we have many more services.
- Veetrag
TheHenry: me too. Veetrag: Twitter generates 10Gigs of new data per day. That's nothing for Google to swallow. Google has many hundreds of thousands of computers and maybe more than a million. Not a problem at all.
- Robert Scoble
My FriendFeed posts on Google seem to climb and fall; it's not obvious why. It's also strange that I get Google Alerts on my alert topics when I tweet on it, but not from Friendfeed.
- Keith Barrett
So I need to start posting my blog posts here? Sheesh! :)
- Sid Burgess
Robert and Veetrag: From my experience Google's index crawl sites [like Friendfeed] rapidly. And probably more than twitter because quite a bit of content it generated as opposed to a 140 char. tweet.
- Amir
from iPod
Dont you think, posts with more 'likes' should get higher priority too? Or they are already doing it.
- Veetrag
However the sites appear in Google's index within a couple hours.
- Amir
from iPod
Dozens of examples doesn't mean much when there are billions of keyword combination. If FF has the only use of a particular set of keywords, then it will rank by default.
- Gary
I noticed this a while back. My last big Flickr upload was a Merced roller derby bout. My FF post is number 2 after Flickr. http://www.google.com/search...
- Russellreno
Cool, I guess. Puts 1 google to rule them all back in an agile search play.
- Robert Higgins
Gary: OK, fine, how would you like to demonstrate which site will get you Google juice? Personally it all depends on what gets linked to. Or did you forget my "brrreeeport test" of Google? http://www.google.com/search... where I made up a fake word and got people to link to see what would happen?
- Robert Scoble
I have said earlier,my friendfeed post appeared within 48 hours in Google search. This was two months ago.
- ashish
Veetrag: I bet more likes get more Google Juice. Why? More pages are linking to the original item.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not saying FF has zero juice. I'm sure it is a value greater than zero, but I because anything can be posted by anyone, it would be hard for Google to give it much authority. If it did FF would instantly become a spam magnet. If a trend was started on FF and was later picked up by blogs, I'm sure the FF post wouldn't rank as high as the blogs.
- Gary
Robert, I clicked on your link above which led me to Google search results. I clicked on the first result which was to a post of your with a link to Leo's FF. I clicked on that link to get to Leo's FF post, which was a link to Digg. I clicked on that and went to Digg which was a link to martinsargent's Twitter account.
- Rochelle
Rochelle: even better, it's a full employment act for content producers because you need to click six times to get what should take one. Fair point! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you're wrong. Google knows which FriendFeeder has more inbound links. My pagerank here is seven. What's yours?
- Robert Scoble
Gary: you are wrong, twice. I have seen quite a few places where FriendFeed gets higher ranked than the blog. It makes sense, because the FriendFeed item is getting linked to by lots of people and the blog isn't (I often link here, because the conversation is worth linking to).
- Robert Scoble
I've noticed. My Friendfeed page shows up in a search for my name at about position 3 or 4 whereas for years the first instance of my actual self would show up around page 4. I'm not a content producer nor a particularly active person, so I figured it was FF picking up steam.
- Rob Haas
Gary: finally, FriendFeed is going to prove to be very resistant to spam for a whole lot of reasons, most of which I won't go into here because I don't want spammers to figure out ways around the resistance. But for one, if you block someone here it is a COMPLETE block, not half assed like over on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Robert what exactly were the terms of the contest? Did it expressly say something to the effect that interviews were guaranteed by public vote, influenced by public vote or just that they asked the public to vote?
- Melanie Reed
Melanie: they asked the public to vote and then, apparently, didn't care what the public said.
- Robert Scoble
Robert thanks for clarifying. Well, they're off the hook legally. But they simply didn't understand the implied "rules" of SM, which, let's face it, can be intimidating for the uninitiated. I have no background on how "initiated" the MG SM team were but it is possible, indeed, appears plausible that they didn't even expect that much feedback. Which only goes to show that perhaps many in...
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- Melanie Reed
Robert: Yes. This was about "hearing the message" in the public dialogue that all good advertising campaigns should understand. It just happens faster on the Internet. And it recalls parallels in the "Palace vs. the Death of Princess Diana and the Public Reaction" dilemma. If I was going to teach a SM class to Enterprise SM teams, I would start there with elements they could relate to and then progress to the Murphy-Goode Affair. ;)
- Melanie Reed
FriendFeed ranks very well for me and often appears higher than my blog; however, since my blog is relatively new and fast-growing, those results are changing. My blog posts appear here in FriendFeed in near real-time, then get tweeted out with FF URLs re-directing back to my blog, so I am leveraging FriendFeed's Google juice to promote my blog's ranking and it is working! FriendFeed is one of my top inbound link referrers to my blog - Yay! :)
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I think Friendfeed posts with more like will definetly get more Google juice. Friendfeed often has a higher page rank than blogs because Friendfeed links back and all the conversation is generally here than at the blog.
- Amir
from iPod
Not just for Google. also Bing, Yahoo, and some up-and-coming search engines
- TransContext Steve
What's shocking is that the cash cows, specifically the Windows operating system and the Office suite, have managed to finance all these idiotic efforts for so many years. While Microsoft's profits and sales were way down this last quarter, it is only a matter of time before losses begin. Read more about the disappointing earnings. The cash cows are dying of neglect. This company cannot keep its eye on the ball because there are too many shiny objects to distract it. Now comes the latest fiasco: Microsoft wants to open retail stores, all of them next to or near an Apple store.
- Leo Laporte
Copycats! How funny that THAT is all they can come up with. Stores...really. I don't like MS and I bet we could come up with 10 kick butt ideas for them that are better than that!
- Tobin Truog
MS never innovated anything. DOS was purchased. Windows was designed at PARC. Their initial networking (NETBUI protocol) was flat without routing and was a pain to integrate with TCP/IP, WordPerfect and Netscape were killed by business practices instead of technology, every web designer has a CSS nightmare with IE and cross-browser compatibility, MS invented the idea that computers need...
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- Keith Barrett
I'd say lack of any true innovation is the cause of this. When you look at it, alot of the companies that are dying in this recession because they weren't really doing anything new for long periods of time. That's just the case here.
- Hugh Isaacs II
from iPod
This article completely misses the source of Microsoft's fastest growing products in the business sector. MS Dynamics products for business-line applications are one area that Microsoft is really gaining share (lumped in with Office sales if you look at their quarterly reports to hide that Office sales are declining). Also, I believe that Microsoft will start to realize different...
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- Chris Reichow
The bigger problem I think isn't just Microsoft, but really any large company, that is "innovating" by buying startups rather than creating an R&D culture/investment within the organization
- Chris Reichow
My question for Dvorak is: What can MS do today to stay true to its core business as a software company? The fact is "software" does not have the growth like a few years ago. MS needs to diversify to keep growing, and yes some of those ideas failed. You can't fault a guy for trying
- Andre P. Siregar
I propose that Microsoft needs to stop being a "incremental" company, or a "ever fixing company", and start at least using 20% of their resources to come with their "black stallion", they do need to innovate, just watch Google, they have so many things going because of the use of the 80-20 rule thus, if you have for the foreseeable time covered 80% of your business needs, you certainly...
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- Carlos F. Sam Castillo
First step is for BillG to fire SteveB. Ballmer has presided in one of the largest losses of shareholder equity of all time. If the baord was a responsible governing process it would boot him out. Second, review each business and shut those not making money. A slim, focused MS could then return to the fray and maybe even turn things around. Get back to work Bill ...
- Jeff
Say what you want, if you havent tried Windows 7 with the Office 2010 stack you might be little surprised. It positively changed my workflow for the better. I still use linux,xp,vista and by far prefer Win 7. I can't wait for a Windows 7, touch screen, notebook, ion, atom, ssd, OLED and WIMAX. MS still has the largest Library like Video Games by orders of magnitude and there is a huge...
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- Robert Higgins
Windows 7 is a huge step in the right direction but I think Chrome is going to change the game.
- Trent Hamm
from iPod
funny when i read the earnings report it said that revenues took a hit because PC and server sales dropped. because of something called a "recession," which is apparently something that happened to the economy? news to me. but this must be microsoft's fault, right? this "recession" thing?
- Karim
MSFT: 5 years -16.34%. AAPL 5 years: +942.25%. Dunno to which extent this is important. Maybe it is not unreasonable to ask Ballmer to go. Or it is, I am not sure. (I use Macs, an iPhone, two iPods and I also own a Sharp Zaurus.) - http://tr.im/u8Sd
- Liviu Barbat
...I agree with those who say that the lack of true innovation is the real problem, but i'm not sure this is the kind of thing you can just flip a switch and start doing overnight.
- .LAG liked that
I do notice a dip in activity when the weather is nice. It picks back up on hot or rainy days.
- Heather Solos
With portable computing, perhaps that'swhy geeks are going outdoors now
- Keith Barrett
Can't comment, literally stepping out the door for a hike, laters!
- James Watters
surfing in half moon bay... i must say coming from a south florida surfer, i'm a bit jealous.
- Yaniel Cantelar
I started jogging after being inspired by Loic and lost 3 stone. With a young child I was worried about the statistic that if you are fat, your kid is more likely to grow up fat. Feels good to be less fat.
- Mark
Yaniel: surfing is a lot harder than it looks, especially for a geek that doesn't get much exercise.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Tell me about it. thats why i bought the biggest board i could safely transport so it does most of the work for me!
- Yaniel Cantelar
you have to go there to write about it. life is hard. sic luceat lux
- paulie 2.0
The sun is good for geeks. I am now offering surfing lessons for other geeks, send me a DM if you want to go out. I give a I know you from friendfeed discount :)
- Luke Kilpatrick
Luke: would love to take you up on that .... In Biarritz, France ? ;)
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
I'm pretty sure I've gotten sunburn on my face from riding my cycle. I think that's what caused the flaking skin. I dunno about this outdoors thing. Maybe camping?
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF