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Hands-on with the new Apple Remote - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
"It's noticeably bigger than the old Apple Remote. It feels nice in your hand, and it also won't be as easy to lose. It's also very thin, and has a tapered design just like the iPod nano has."
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
20 Best Alternatives of Adobe Photoshop - http://www.bestdesigntuts.com/20-best...
"Those who have worked on Adobe Photoshop can find it hard to separate themselves and may have some different opinion about any other application but every one cannot and do not purchase the original software. So why steal or support piracy when you have some really good options available. Below is the list of 20 more applications, which some you have, must have used or is using for your designs:"
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
Beatles Catalog Comes to USB Drive - http://news.cnet.com/8301-10...
"No, the digitally remastered Beatles catalog hasn't come to Apple's iTunes. But it has come to an apple-shaped USB device."
- Keith Rowland
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Cat catches swine flu - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...
"A cat in Iowa has tested positive for the H1N1 virus, state officials confirmed this morning, "marking the first time a cat has been diagnosed with this strain of influenza," the association said in a statement."
- Keith Rowland
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Google Voice Quick Reference Cheatsheet Speeds Through Voice Menus - http://lifehacker.com/5396184...
"Google Voice's great feature set takes your phone and voicemail out of the past, but that doesn't mean you won't still have to navigate the occasional touch-tone menu. Weblog Cool Geex comes to the rescue with a pocket-friendly quick reference guide."
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
Is Verizon Being Unfair to AT&T in 3G Map Comparisons? - http://wifinetnews.com/archive...
AT&T days are numbered?
- Keith Rowland
Starbucks Makes It Easier, Different to Get Free Wi-Fi - http://wifinetnews.com/archive...
I'm a daily Starbucks customer and would welcome more benefits!
- Keith Rowland
My wife's new MacBook is all set up. Now she has 500 Gigabytes and I only have 200 Gigabytes. That's not entirely fair, is it?
Jim Hearts FF, Rodfather and Kristine Gray liked this
This new Mac is _so_ fast. (Louis typing)
- Kristine Gray
And there is HER side of the bed and OUR side of the bed.
- Keith Rowland
I bet mine is just as fast
- Jesse Stay
External drives FTW
- Outsanity & Kate + Hate
Nothing says love like 500 gigs
- Kristine Gray
Nothing's fair in love or war
- MaryAnn Chick Whiteside
An illustrated guide to Boot Camp and Windows 7 - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
"Ladies and gentlemen, the time has come for TUAW to introduce our illustrated guide to installing Windows 7 with Boot Camp. Windows? On a Mac? Blasphemy! Yes, yes... we hear you, but we could argue the pros and cons to having Windows on a Mac all day. So, let's just get to the installation process"
- Keith Rowland
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Snow Leopard Update Blocks Intel Atom, Kills Hackintoshes - http://www.wired.com/gadgetl...
"Mac OS X Leopard 10.6.2 will break your hackintosh. The forthcoming OS update will not run on the Intel Atom processor, a rather petty move from Apple which, if true, will break many netbooks which have been hacked to run as more than passable Macs."
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
Anti-Net Neutrality Bill Introduced by John McCain - ShortNews.com - http://news.google.com/news...
Anti-Net Neutrality Bill Introduced by John McCain ShortNews.com A new Senate bill called the Internet Freedom Act was recently introduced by John McCain and aims to allow the limitation of certain content by ISPs, contrary to a recent move by the FCC to prevent this very thing from occurring. ... and more »
I can't believe he did this? Does McCain even use the net?
- Keith Rowland
Facebook gets $711 million damages in anti-spam case
(Reuters) - http://tech.yahoo.com/news...
Reuters - Social networking website Facebook was awarded $711.2 million in damages relating to an anti-spam case against Internet marketer Sanford Wallace, court documents show.
Does Wallace have any money left over to pay this?
- Keith Rowland
Go To Talk Network - http://gototalk.net/
I created a website for my own use and thought I should make it publicly available. It's a site that will collect the latest podcasts from the best sources on the net and have them ready to play with a single click.
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
House Democrats to unveil health bill - Reuters - http://news.google.com/news...
Boston Globe House Democrats to unveil health bill Reuters By John Whitesides and Donna Smith WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats in the House of Representatives finished work on Wednesday on a healthcare bill that includes a government-run insurance plan, requires individuals to buy health coverage and imposes a ... House health-care reform bill to include public optionWashington Post Pelosi Backs Off Having Set Rates for Public OptionNew York Times House Democrats Set Deal on Government OptionWall Street Journal Bloomberg -Boston Globe -The Associated Press all 1,226 news articles »
How can the government force me to buy insurance? What if I can't afford it?
- Keith Rowland
Iran welcomes fuel exchange, 'ready for cooperation'
(AFP) - http://news.yahoo.com/s...
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AFP - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said on Thursday that Iran welcomes the idea of exchanging nuclear fuel and is ready for cooperation on the issue with Western powers.
Oh Really!
- Keith Rowland
I'm going to @Posterous later today for @building43. Anyone have questions you would like to know?
Daniel Rowley, Brook White, Cathryn Hrudicka and Louis Gray liked this
How much more functionality will they add to get closer to WordPress capabilities?
- Keith Rowland
I would really love for someone to break down for us the feature-by-feature differences between Posterous and Tumblr. Why would I switch? This has not been made clear to me, so far, and it feels like they are almost identical services, other than that Posterous doesn't require registration.
- Yvette Ferry
Related to the first question here, but from a revenue-generation standpoint. How do they plan to make money? Could they offer a premium service with expanded blogging capabilities closer to a WordPress style?
- Missionary Broadcasting
Had to replace some bad hardware. All should be well now :)
Kol Tregaskes, Anne Bouey, Louis Gray and 16 other people liked this
Thanks for getting the job done! You had us all in a panic here!
- Keith Rowland
i didn't even notice... i was out for dinner straight from work today. How long was ff down for?
- Chris Heath
Macminicolo writes up their state of the Mac mini - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
"if you're interested in Apple's littlest Mac. Macminicolo, the very company that Steve lauds in his piece for colocating mini servers for a while now, has posted a "state of the mini" piece, complete with unboxing of the new mini server, pictures of its guts and how they all work together"
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
This is the politics channel
This is a comment.
- Keith Rowland
davewiner: Duncan Riley has a point when he says: "For the love of God Paul Buchheit, be a man and put FriendFeed out of its misery." http://r2.ly/mp82 - http://twitter.com/davewin...
Sandeep Kalidindi, Akash Sharma, Kol Tregaskes and 11 other people liked this
Actually, FF isn't Buchheit's to kill anymore. It's Zuckerberg's, and Zuckerberg alone has the power to kill FF now that it's his. And kill it he will; the only question is when. Buchheit was merely saying (in code) that Facebook's getting some of FF's technology etc.
- Dennis Jernberg
Sidekick Friendfeed So tell me again why aquisition is good?
- WarLord
And why does DW care about what goes on here?
- Eric @ CS Techcast
WarLord: it's good for humanity. Facebook is way behind FriendFeed's feature set in real time search, DMs, interactions, etc. This will bring the features we're used to to 300 million people instead of less than a million.
- Robert Scoble
Eric: Dave Winer has just as much right to be interested in the future of FriendFeed or have an opinion on it as you or I do.
- Robert Scoble
Why all the calls to kill a horse who didn't break its leg? I just don't get it, if you don't want to be here, don't be here.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
+1 Eric
- Amit Morson
I've been quietly watching all of this talking back and forth, but now I'm starting to get pissed off about it. We all are fully aware of how vulnerable FF is right now. All this blather from you people with some clout in the social networking world will only possibly kill it a few days sooner. Yes, I'm talking directly to you, Robert, and also indirectly to DW and DR and the rest of the people going on and on about this.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: hint: traffic is way down. Note. We are all still here. So what's killing FriendFeed is NOT us. Just because we're talking about the facts and you don't like the facts shoved in your face does NOT mean the messenger is responsible.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, so what IS "killing" FriendFeed if it's not the users?
- Amit Morson
Amit: we've been over this before. But it's the lack of future direction. That has NOT changed. Facebook is not willing, or able yet, to tell us there's a future here. So people leave. Most of those who leave do so without posting anything. They just have something better to do.
- Robert Scoble
Keyword: SHOVED. What do you hope to accomplish with all of this shoving, Robert? I don't need hints, I know all of this, I've read it hundreds of times, I'm on here every day. So you're all still here... I don't get your point.
- Kamilah Gill
Kamilah: there's a way to hide any item that bugs you. That's one of FriendFeed's killer features.
- Robert Scoble
You are being really... It's not just about things bugging me!!! I'm not some idiot that you need to talk down to!! I have been on FF since about May 2008, so pretty darned close to being an early adopter. I frigging know how this thing works, and you don't need to tell me to hide anything. You did not answer my question. Maybe you don't have an answer. What do you hope to accomplish by repeating yourself over and over that Friendfeed is about to die??
- Kamilah Gill
We put our stuff here... They can't shut it down. Why can't a site just keep running as it is? Hotmail has been upgraded like two times in its entire existence.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Well you know, if FF is dead it's one less place he has to spread his resources at.
- Amit Morson
Christopher: Hotmail has 300 million people on it.
- Robert Scoble
Kamilah: where in this item did I say FriendFeed is dying. I think you are projecting your anger that everyone is leaving and beating up the community here onto me. Unfairly.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you did imply in the OP that you agree with the sentiment that FF should be "put out of its misery." Not exactly a positive sentiment. At least, that's what I took from your posting of it without comment that indicates otherwise.
- Katy S
Katy: what? How did you get that I agreed with it. I clicked "favorite" on it which brought it over here because I thought that Duncan's point was an interesting one and was worth discussing.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Ok, then nix my Hotmail comment. If Paul or Zuckerberg said they were shutting FF down, is that something you'd seriously get behind? Or would you think it incredibly unfair to tens/hundreds of thousands of people who thought they could put their stuff here?
- Christopher Galtenberg
If Paul shut friendfeed down I bet you it would light up as a trending topic right away. This would be no surprise though; it is common for deaths to trend.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Robert - I hit enter before I finished the last post - you can see the rest of it now.
- Katy S
I didn't see Robert say anything of the kind. He simply posted what Winer said and responded pretty reasonably since.
- Ken Camp
Guys I invested a lot in FriendFeed too.
- Dave Winer
Christopher: no. Because there's not a replacement for it yet. But what about in 2012? After Facebook has a TON more features? They will shut it down just like Google shut down Geocities.
- Robert Scoble
Garin, to Robert's point, FF isn't Pauls to shut down. It belongs to FB.
- Ken Camp
Anyway, Robert, it was your lack of commentary that led me to believe that you advocated that position. I wouldn't be surprised if others read it the same way. It's a matter of effect being different than intent, something that can happen when we present material to an audience.
- Katy S
I meant to say Mark instead of Paul, but the post specifies Paul.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Dave, so the solution is to self host everything? We both know it's not the solution.
- Amit Morson
Katy: lots of things I bring in here is to discuss what people's opinions are and to form my own. To tell you the truth I'm a lot more negative on the community today than I was a week ago. Why? Because of how people discuss things here and how they beat up the messenger. There is VERY GOOD REASONS why I'm bringing this up over and over again. http://siteanalytics.compete.com/friendf... should scare the freaking hell out of you if you think there's a long term future here.
- Robert Scoble
Companies don't keep investing in things if everyone leaves.
- Robert Scoble
Amit don't tell me what "we both know" -- that's a really weak and powerless thing to say. Then we start arguing about what I know. Feh. We both know I'm not going to bother. :-)
- Dave Winer
I'm not leaving :)
- Simon Hicks
Scoble, they've already said they're not investing in FF. And look at the graph on Duncan's piece. Everyone's leaving. The graph shows it.
- Dave Winer
Hey, no need to lecture me. I was just relaying the way this reads to some people. I didn't think I was "beating up the messenger" so much as clarifying how the post could be read. Maybe it's the English teacher in me, but it's a tendency of mine to address how I, as an audience member, read the discourse. If that annoys you - and it seems that it did - I'm sorry.
- Katy S
Katy: well, I don't agree with Duncan. So there.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I'll defend shot-at messengers, but the role you're playing (or widely perceived to be) is not just messenger, but harbinger. As Marshall McCluan would remind us: the medium is the message!
- Micah Wittman
Here's what I mean by defend: http://friendfeed.com/micahwi...
- Micah Wittman
Micah: well, that is ascribing to me more power than I have. If I had that much power all the Twitter users would have listened to me when I told them FriendFeed was the place to hang out. The fact that I couldn't make FriendFeed popular makes you wrong here.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - ok - I like clarity. So, are you starting to feel as if you've become Cassandra?
- Katy S
FriendFeed won't die until Facebook replicates most or all of its functionality (and very likely when that day comes, Facebook will provide some mode of transfer).
- Acrylic Style Music Group
I always have my phone number on my blog. +1-425-205-1921
- Robert Scoble
Acrylic: that's actually not true. CompuServe had more features than other things but CompuServe is gone today because the users left for a whole lot of reasons (many of which we are seeing in THIS VERY THREAD).
- Robert Scoble
What I'm saying is, it doesn't make sense to kill off a service in favor of another when the other doesn't provide for those that have used this service.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
That's like saying Apple should kill off the iPod Touch in favor of the Nano because the Nano sells more (not real stats, just an example). I say wait till Facebook catches up, that's all.
- Acrylic Style Music Group
Robert, you'll see in my link (right above your comment) I precisely don't ascribe it. What I'm also saying is there's all this panic and the perception that you're driving people away. There's a PR problem if you will. Who cares about blame - it's reverberating strongly, it's the negativity you mentioned feeling. You don't like it, nobody likes it. I don't know what the answer is, but a lot of people are venting the frustration and I'm writing this to acknowledge it.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: thanks. That's what I wanted to have happen. The community needs to come at this the way you did. There is a MAJOR PR problem and not one that's solvable because, well, it's not solveable. But, at least it can be fun if everyone took the tactic you did.
- Robert Scoble
Robert is reflecting peoples' already extant biases, like a mirror. He's providing confirmation for those who already wanted to give up on FF. For the rest of us, he's still here wanting to chat, stirring up activity :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: I'm trying to do my part to get that line to stop trending down and move up.
- Robert Scoble
It's an odd kind of love :)
- Christopher Galtenberg
Christopher: well, truth brings the best community.
- Robert Scoble
I am, indeed, a technopeasant. I also play the bagpipes: a backwards, ancient, strange instrument that has a total hold on my heart. And a devoted minority of people keep this art alive. Is it conceivable that something like friendfeed, small (and smaller) though it is, could and should persist?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
*attempts to stretch a comparison*
- T. Brent, technopeasant
btw... Riley misspelled 'throes' in the first sentence of his post.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
It's possible the Friendfeed usage dip on the chart Riley showed doesn't reflect a drop in community size at all. It may reflect developers who are moving their FF mashups to other services in anticipation of an uncertain future. I recently changed a widget that outputs topical Tweets from using an FF imaginary friends feed to a Y!Pipes feed.
- Amyloo
I'm not going anywhere, moreover, I'm willing to pay a small amount to keep FF up. It's still my #2 starting tab after Gmail, I'm still enjoying using it and I just don't get it - who left?
- Kirill Bolgarov
The reason why Friendfeed users aren't convinced by arguments that FB will acquire all of FF's capabilities is about brand: who owns the brand, and whether you can trust them. FF is a feed aggregator, FB is mostly a power aggregator -- for Zuckerberg.
- Tim Ostler
Someone tell me what can replace FF now? The people that are leaving must not be using the FF enhanced feature set. I like what FF can do, I can't find it anywhere else.
- Keith Rowland
Keith: who said that you need to replace your usage here 1:1? Maybe people just are gettting lives again and living offline? Or maybe they are, like me, living with the limitations of other systems and working within those constraints? Or maybe they are blogging again? :-)
- Robert Scoble
Or, maybe, the real drop here is because most of the users here are just playing Farmville?
- Robert Scoble
Obama scolds Wall Street over reforms, lending - http://www.reuters.com/article...
NEW YORK (Reuters) - President Barack Obama chastised Wall Street firms on Tuesday for resisting tighter regulations of their industry and said they had not done enough to boost lending to small businesses.
Yeah, where is my stimulus money for my new venture?
- Keith Rowland
This channel is for Teachers
You are free to discuss any podcast and any news story posted here.
- Keith Rowland
OK Kids, here is the chat room for the tech channel.
Need to blend auto posts with user posts.
- Keith Rowland
Why people don't use free software - http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online...
"If they turn to free software, users can treat software the way they treat a book or a wide screen TV, unbothered by both activation and registration and threat of litigation. They are offered a range of choice that has not existed since the earliest days of the personal computer. If they get involved with a project, they have a chance that their suggestions for improvement are listened to. They can know if the software they are using collects information about them because they can either look for themselves or hire someone to do so."
- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
The most damning thing is that no one from the FriendFeed team or Facebook has joined the community here that is talking about it to tell us what's happening in the future. That, more than anything I've written or said communicates the future of FriendFeed.
Sandeep Kalidindi, Shivanand Velmurugan, Arnold Goodway and 116 other people liked this
I keep hoping someone will tell me I'm wrong and will post a slide deck about the future of FriendFeed. But the lack of information is confirming what I'm hearing from my sources.
- Robert Scoble
So true - nail in the coffin! :(...
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
It's Sunday.
- Anika
Anika: geeks in both companies are online and working on a Sunday and last night is NOT the first time I've been talking about the lack of direction here. Also, over the last week lots of blogs have been posting about the traffic hit that FriendFeed has already seen.
- Robert Scoble
If there really was a team working on FriendFeed you BET they would contact us on a Sunday. They used to in this old days.
- Robert Scoble
Remember, Facebook has a PR team of more than 10 people. You think they aren't watching what people are saying about Facebook nearly 24/7? Not in my experience. They are the most engaged PR team in a new company I know of.
- Robert Scoble
The reality is that this is still a very useful service, and people stay because of the functionality and the community. There is no other service out there that accomplishes what this one does. There is still nowhere else to go.
- LogEx
LogEx: that's true, but it's also true that most people will go places where there's a clear future. Unless it's just to post non-consequential things. Me? This is both my fun time (which is why I'm still here) as well as my business (I won't be betting any of my business decisions on doing stuff here because of this lack of direction which tells me that no one is really working on FriendFeed actively anymore).
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I understand the perhaps reasonable conclusions you're reaching, but breaking the silence could send too much signal to FB's competition when they'd rather send more silence which ends up, really, being noise.
- Micah Wittman
FriendFeed is like an old dying dog left out in the pasture alone; abandoned by its Master to die in the silence.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Most social network content is ephemeral. If people really want their stuff to have a clear future, they should own and host it on their own domains.
- LogEx
Robert, so maybe you're not giving their PR _enough_ credit. It's speculation on my part, granted.
- Micah Wittman
Micah: sorry, that dog don't run. Healthy companies signal future directions, even under NDA. It would be pretty easy to meet with a few members of the community, NDA them, and tell them what's going on. If Louis Gray came on here and told me he's under NDA and that I'm wrong then I'd feel much better. The truth is I've talked with people inside Facebook and I know what the former FriendFeed team is working on. Hint: it isn't FriendFeed.
- Robert Scoble
Logex - yup!
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
I still wish they'd make it open source or something so that people could continue to develop on it. :S
- Her Lindsay-ness
Susan, I don't think "human master - canine pooch" analogy really applies to Friendfeed team - community that's formed.
- Micah Wittman
By the way, Facebook meets with bloggers/journalists all the time to give us secret hints at what's coming. I've been to Facebook several times this year for just that. Facebook has no serious competition, by the way, so they don't make PR decisions based on what Twitter is doing.
- Robert Scoble
I guess I'm not most people then. If I find something that works, I prefer to stay put as long as it meets my needs. New things are nice, but I don't have time to constantly try out new services to see if they are better that what I am presently using. (That's why I follow people like Robert ;-)) The new shiny service would have to be significantly better than what I presenlty use to make me want to switch.
- Jeff P. Henderson
Do you have any services that offer the same functionality, are widely available, and actually have a future, Robert? How about offering a solution for once instead of just bitching?
- LANjackal
Robert. Can you reveal the information you have from your sources. Discussions where one person has information they won't reveal is frankly frustrating. If you have some inside knowledge yet continue to make statements like this and FriendFeed is dead? then it really is frustrating to the community.
- Johnny Worthington
from iPhone
If your business is posting to social media, and you think your content is "consequential" based on how long it will be around on the web ... I think you've misunderstood the current moment in social media.
- Joel Bennett
There's much less interaction than there used to be - but I still have faith in the users. This (was) is a vibrant and interesting place to be - and that's testament not only to the people that made the site, but also to the people who breathed life into it. I'll be following friendfeed still, but i'll also be following the friendfeeders i've met here. I'm not sure where the future is, but it'll be something to do with the people here. I'm sure of that.
- Iain Baker
Micah - lack of innovation and development on FF platform will cause obsolesence soon. Social web apps must innovate or die. When Facebook acquired FF, we all knew that FF would wind down due to this. Communities will migrate to current platforms that meet their needs. I am sensing a large contingent of the FF community is about to leave FF, myself included.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Robert, did Wolfram-Alpha indicate their future direction being a $50 iphone app? All I'm saying is Facebook's strategy may include support to FF that's not in a time-frame worth pushing through PR yet.
- Micah Wittman
My favorite thing about this whole "Facebook is dead, move on" campaign is that these guys are basically just trying to shoe you BACK to the service they talked most of you OFF of in the first place: Twitter. I'm still looking for their motivation.
- Joel Bennett
Only one thing to say. Jaiku
- Moved to Facebook
The way I see it, Robert, your constant bitching and declaring friendfeed dead is what is killing the community. While the software it runs on may be dead, the community is not. I have to separate it and explain it to you, because you don't seem to understand the difference and how being a vocal part of this community affects it. The more you put it down, the more people won't come here...
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- April Russo (app103)
Susan, social web apps need utility/affection by a set of users. If cutting/bleeding edge aficionados is the particular user set in question, then what you said generally holds true. But it's not the general case unless a true replacement (in this case for FF) is available.
- Micah Wittman
I don't think he's killing the community, he's just killing the community's participation with him.
- Alex Scoble
Robert. Can you advise the information you have from your sources?
- Johnny Worthington
I am stuck in the middle on this one...
- Allen Stern
Fair point, Alex. I think this issue needs the two Scobles to put their heads together and clear the air.
- Micah Wittman
Naw...I like friendfeed. I'm not going anywhere as long as my friends are here.
- Alex Scoble
Amen, Alex.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
Is Friendfeed dying ( if it is) because of it being purchase by Facebook, or by members reaction to that purchase? Did people forecast the death of Friendfeed and then leave, therefore creating the exact scenario they predicted.
- Kim Landwehr
Robert, doesn't this put the denouement on the donkey for all those who thought it too sharp a call to say what was going on in that sale and before it? It seemed fairly clear to me what had been going on mainly from seeing the actions at the time of the sale and "doing the math". As Aristotle said: "Plot is character"
- Melanie Reed
Some times the lab rats do understand and stop sniffing for the cheese, looking up at the lab coats above them with a knowing twitch of the whisker.
- Melanie Reed
Can FriendFeed be another StumbleUpon two years later? http://stumbleupon.com/sublog... EDIT: "I don't want it happen though. I hope FFers let me entertain us again on FB" (excerpted from http://ff.im/6pO0a in Japanese)
- NaHi
from f2p
I'm more of a social media *consumer* than I am a participant. From a consumer's point of view, FF is more interesting than its competitors. A nice place to hang out, enjoy, learn, and sometimes discuss. Less guesswork is involved in deciding whether to click through to sources. From a consumer's perspective, as long as it remains interesting there won't be a reason to move on.
- howard shippin
from BuddyFeed
Johnny: yes, my sources inside Facebook tell me that the FriendFeed team has been split apart and is working on Facebook items only. So far no one has refuted that.
- Robert Scoble
April: you can believe that I'm personally killing the community but that really is giving me far more power than I actually have. The community has dramatically changed in the last two months. The alpha geeks I follow and that I build my business around have largely left. Everytime I meet geeks at conferences they tell me they are not spending as much time on FriendFeed as they did before the sale to Facebook and that the lack of direction from the team is largely responsible for that.
- Robert Scoble
And, April, if you read my blog post you'll see that I believe a new community is already moving in here -- one that doesn't care if the technology will see new features.
- Robert Scoble
I'm not on FB that much, but do people from their team actually get involved on the site? Is that even possible, with the privacy controls? I said it on another thread: you can't serve two masters. If FB is paying the bills now, that's probably where erstwhile FF staff must spend their time.
- .LAG liked that
I agree with Robert here
- Matthew DeVries
.LAG: yes. I have dozens of Facebook employees as friends over on Facebook and they do engage all over the place.
- Robert Scoble
.LAG: the head of PR at Facebook, Brandee Barker, even has a Twitter account: http://twitter.com/faceboo... and there are TONS of employees who hang out on both Twitter and Facebook like Dave Morin, head of Facebook's platform team.
- Robert Scoble
Kim: I did one of the first interviews with the FriendFeed and Facebook teams after the sale was announced (within the first hour) and even then you could tell that Facebook had no plans for FriendFeed's technology and mostly wanted the team. The fact that Gary Burd (who ran the Google Talk team and is VERY influential in Seattle technology) has already left speaks VOLUMES to what is going on behind the scenes. Guys like Gary don't leave if they are having fun and making a huge impact.
- Robert Scoble
April - Robert actions and Roberts threads have nothing to do with the death of Friendfeed. Robert's threads still have traffic and activity. The place where I see, where Robert would probably not ever be able to appreciate is the fact that there was once a time when a postless thread was impossible. Every single one of my threads had traffic. Even if it was one or 2 silly posts of...
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- Matthew DeVries
http://friendfeed.com/bwana that right there.....that is the saddest thing. That was once what I considered to be the most important account on Friendfeed.
- Matthew DeVries
I'm a new user. i quite enjoy what's here, at the moment. I can't say that I'm a sophisticated social networker, but I have already grown to trust many of the folk i've met here. Like someone earlier in the thread said, if enough of my friends on friendfeed decide to move on, i'll likely follow. i don't suspect that that kind of 'distant early warning' would arrive via Facebook.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
My experience on FF does not hinge on Robert. The community of thinkers and feelers will find a way to interact, here or somewhere else. By the way, some of us are left out of the loop 99% of the time when it comes to knowing what's next. Welcome to the club.
- Aron Michalski
from BuddyFeed
Matthew: you aren't the only one to notice this or tell me the same thing. Many won't point it out in public, either, because they just don't want to piss off those who are still here. Me? Being public with what I'm hearing, experiencing, deciding, etc is the way I deal with life and the conversations with others tend to either confirm the direction I'm aiming in, or they pull me back from the brink. So far not much has changed my opinion, and, in fact, has augmented it.
- Robert Scoble
Aron: Twitter is about to turn on lists. That's one feature FriendFeed had over it. Within six weeks they will turn on a new retweet feature that looks more like FriendFeed's "likes" than it looks like RTs, so that's another feature. Twitter is working on real time search and I'd expect them to turn on a much better search within six months. So, what's left? Comments. Those are added on...
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- Robert Scoble
I still get a lot of activity on my posts but it's not what it used to be. The big thing I've noticed is a rarely get new subscriptions yet I'm still quite active here. Going from getting several or more a day to one or so a week is a big indicator to me of FriendFeed's decline.
- Akiva Moskovitz
It's time to open source FF. Start the chant.
- Todd Hoff
is it possible that things are levelling off, naturally? can growth, here or elsewhere, expect to be exponential forever and ever?
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Brent, you bring up a salient point. For some, the constant movement is what they are really excited about more than the community. This is not to say that these ones don't enjoy the community, they obviously do. But they enjoy the "building" up of it. It's like getting trapped in the "I always want to be falling in love" feeling and never, as you bring out, get to and enjoy the natural leveling off. Some do enjoy that part. And there may be enough of them to keep this version of FF going.
- Melanie Reed
There's a problem with stasis, though. For one, it almost always leads to entropy and, for two, it means that there isn't an influx of new blood. It's the same people doing the same things having the same conversations. It decreases how dynamic the experience is. It becomes stale.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'm not saying that FriendFeed's hit that stage yet but it most likely will. I'm still having a great time here but it's not nearly as exciting as it used to be and, no, that's just because the honeymoon period's worn off.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I respectfully disagree. It's like exploring a new path in an old garden. This is the place most people are either afraid to traverse or have not developed the discipline to want to go there. There are always new things yet to be discovered in the same relationship. We just get "ants in our pants" not wanting to sit still long enough to discover it. ;)
- Melanie Reed
Melanie, oh yeah? Well, you're WRONG! In all seriousness, I think it's two sides of the same coin. And I want both. It's why I hang out both on Twitter and FriendFeed. I get different (but good!) experiences out of both.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Matt - Yup, I've experienced the same thing as I have over 2,500 FF followers and now see a very low user engagement; whereas, in the past, I could get a ton of likes / comments on any topic. Now I see only crickets!! FF is dying.
- Susan Beebe
from BuddyFeed
Akiva, Its more about learning to "exult in monotony". ;)
- Melanie Reed
Hah. Sorry, Melanie, but when it comes to social networking, I'm definitely polyamorous.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Akiva, I've just come to appreciate the wisdom of Solomon: that there is "nothing new under the sun". lol Or as Shania Twain would say: "That don't impress me much."
- Melanie Reed
With Friend Feed I can go to the site, and watch in realtime all the action going on with those I follow. I see Likes, Comments, Pictures, Nicely grouped and can type more than 140 characters if I want to. With Twitter, it's all a kludge to add on this and that and this client or that client and I just don't see how Twitter compares technically to FriendFeed at this time. Twitter was...
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- Keith Rowland
Yeah, the 140 character cap is the most baffleing thing that makes me wish FF wouldn't die and Twitter become king. I want more than 140 characters, I want it in real time, I want it in conversation, and I want it 100% free of super poke and my highschool neighbor's grand mother following me.
- Matthew DeVries
It is the weekend and some people sleep :) At least that's how I'm looking at it ..for now.. plus I'm begging: Friendfeed please don't go away.. - http://new2me.posterous.com/friendf... (via http://ff.im/a57K2).
- Chris Myles
FF activity is like the Bears defense tonight... far less vibrant than you'd expect
- Jay Cuthrell
from BuddyFeed
sorry 2 say that Scoble friendfeed is slowing down 2 :(
- polou/indigo_bow
Not dead yet. Thank goodness.
- Aron Michalski
The truth is we know nothing more than a few weeks after the sale when the team commented that they will keep it going as long as they could. We all knew development would stop. We all knew it would run on auto-pilot. No one here seriously expects FriendFeed to continue forever but a lot of us aren't pulling the plug and walking out the door. Interaction is down, to be expected, and I'm...
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- Johnny Worthington
well-put, Johnny.
- T. Brent, technopeasant
Agree Johnny..
- Chris Myles
Here we go again...
- BLOGBloke
OH MY DEAR LORD! THE FRIENDFEED TEAM ISN'T INSTANTLY AVAILABLE ON A SUNDAY AFTERNOON TO TALK ABOUT THEIR STRATEGIC PLANS! ALERT THE MEDIA!
- Glen Campbell
Glen, the last 13 words took your statement from accurate to inaccurate
- Matthew DeVries
What Twitter client are you using these hours anyway Robert? Have you checked out CoTweet?
- Matthew DeVries
Regardless of the Friendfeed team's lack of comments, the volume on some threads like this does prove to me that life still exists on FF. I will agree that the volume is lighter but nothing has officially shown me that Friendfeed is dead, only bogus news articles trying to create news...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Look at FriendFeed. Look at Facebook. Which one needs improvement? Of course the team isn't working on FriendFeed now. But they're still using it, and would be upset if Facebook killed it. Facebook values them. They won't kill FriendFeed.
- Bruce Lewis
strictly speaking, since the time of the sale facefeed staff have added new features http://friendfeed.com/friendf... posted news about technology development http://friendfeed.com/friendf... and responded to user support http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Mike Chelen
Mathew: I use Tweetie on iPhone for almost all Twitter tasks.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
You also started it at 3am in the morning on Sunday - kind of a bad time to get their attention, don't you think?
- Jesse Stay
Social Media Epertistes are vampires, they'd shrivel up and die otherwise after a night full of exsanguination orrrrrrrrr we could just fwd. this to the Feedback Room [done]
- sofarsoShawn
Great, so its over? I wonder how many times the community is going to be willing to put themselves into something like this before we realise that all this stuff needs to move over to an open platform. I have a few great great communities die because of financially/politically motivated owners. shitty.
- Jason Strachan
Which reminds me: Anybody know how the OpenFF project's going?
- Dennis Jernberg
We had this discussion about the future of Friendfeed back when the buyout was first confirmed. We assume it's treading water, and maybe some day we'll be surprised by an update.
- Vezquex: God of FF
Shawn, well done
- Jesse Stay
Vezquex, yeah - how many more times do you predict this will come up again? FriendFeed just gave an excuse for people to say something's dead. I predict this will happen many more times until it is actually dead or they start really vamping it up again. No one in this thread has the authority to know that.
- Jesse Stay
Maybe we will just roll our own waves.
- Sean Oliver
Re: Shawn http://bit.ly/g7zYA
- Matthew DeVries
Let's stop comparing elephants to fleas. Even if having 10 PR people allowed Facebook to be the "most engaged" new company, adjusted against the number of inquiries originating from members, 10 people cannot support that volume. With 250 million (or how ever many more) members, the right level of PR staffing would have to be closer to 250 (one PR person per 1 million members) to get...
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- Rich Reader
Wow, I hadn't realized Bwana had completely left. Did he blog about it?
- Laura Norvig
I'm not sure if he blogged about it, Laura, but he certainly did talk about it...I'm surprised that he made his feed go dark as abruptly as he did.
- Alex Scoble
Laura, Alex, yeah that abruptness took me by surprise too. My iphone shed a pixelated tear.
- Micah Wittman
screw this thread.... Robert Scoble crushed my friendfeed fantasy... and you people are still talking about friendfeed being dead, Now let the damn thing die quietly thank you......
- Cjay
Start using Hide, Cjay
- Alex Scoble
All Hail FriendFeed. FriendFeed is dead. Long Live FriendFeed. I like it better than wave, twitter, fb. If anything the signal to noise ratio has improved.
- Robert Higgins
Paul's Response on Read Write http://thenextweb.com/2009...
- Robert Higgins
You guys do know that Paul did post about this,right ?? Rendering Roberts shock a moot point.
- Roberto Bonini
from iPhone
Paul Buchheit speaks up! http://ff.im/a8LNU
- Susan Beebe
Every time I see this, I keep thinking that "damning" is entirely too strong of a word...
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
The walrus replied
- Steve Gillmor
from iPhone
Roberto (and the walrus): oh, really? Did you READ what Paul wrote? How does that differ from anything I've said?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, you said FriendFeed is dead and Paul said it isn't. Keep in mind you're using said "dead" site to respond.
- Allred
Twitter is undernourished FF is chronically ill. FB is fat with clogged arteries and 10% of its users have disabled accounts including me.
- Darrell Hudson
How about that Balloon Boy hoax?
Here is a comment
- Keith Rowland
Cloud computing and the big rethink: Part 1 - http://news.cnet.com/8301-19...
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- Keith Rowland
from Bookmarklet
Who should I talk about in my 25,000th Tweet (next Tweet!)? I joined Twitter in November 2006. What a three years it's been!
Hutch Carpenter, zʍıɔ, Jack Nork and 4 other people liked this
Of course I did this in FriendFeed so we could have a chat.
- Robert Scoble
lol! I am a newbie to it but i cant believe how addictive it becomes.......
- Emy C McSweeney
"This is my 25,000th out of 25,000 tweet allowance. See you all on FriendFeed"
- Keith Rowland
Twitter is just another obsession of mine that has me checking the computer or blackbery 24 x 7...drives everyone around me nuts..
- Emy C McSweeney
Nice that you decided to come by for a chat. Care for some port?
- Cristo
Robert-to celebrate 25K, would you let me send you a cool music iPhone/iPod Touch app to try? It's a fun beta...
- Cynthia Holladay
Cristo: I love port.
- Robert Scoble
Cynthia: is it cooler than Spotify?
- Robert Scoble
Buck Rogers (in the 25th Century)? :p
- Iwan
It's different -- builds playlists on your music based on mood
- Cynthia Holladay
Really you do Robert, typical male response about the port.
- Jimminy
Robert, I know. We drank some together last Christmas or New Years. I forget.
- Cristo
Cynthia: nah, I really don't listen to music much except in my car where I have XM sat radio. Sorry.
- Robert Scoble
OK - thx anyway :-)
- Cynthia Holladay
Omg 25k tweets wow.!
- Appy
Yumm, port. That should be the topic of your 25,000th tweet. I'll remember that if we ever meet in person.
- Tim
Only 15,000 behind ya.
- George Hall (Australia)
You could talk about me.
- SuezanneC Baskerville
Oh, screw it, I will be doing a lot of lists. Unlike other blog teams who will only put themselves on it, mine will be authoritative. :-)
Susan Beebe and Mark liked this
I heard you can't put yourself on a list.
- Andru Edwards
Friendfeed has already been able to create a list of Twitter users and group them together into a common FriendFeed. I use this feature of FF all the time.
- Keith Rowland
Go for Scoble ;)
- Susan Beebe
I'm working on a bunch of Twitter lists, but this is for 10 favorites or more: http://twitter.com/login My SUL
Daniel Rowley, Tracy Benham, Susan Beebe and Dave Winer liked this
I guess I can't see any of those lists until the feature has been activated on my own Twitter account...slightly annoying.
- Mike Hellers
Same here
- ashish
You could create a FF Group and include the same Twitter accounts and then everyone could benefit.I'm just saying, don't get so excited, this isn't something real new around here.
- Keith Rowland
BTW, As JasonC just posted, the message on Twitter asks for people NOT to tweet about it yet :-) That clearly didn't work.
- Mike Hellers
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