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Brian Staker
Digital TV is making it seem normal to see people's voices be slightly out of sync with their lip movements.
This is absolutely true. I've found that I don't even notice when video stutters for anything less than 1,000 milliseconds but those accustomed to broadcast television notice anything longer than 50 milliseconds yet they don't notice artifact white noise or static. - Holden Caulfield
It will and is starting to seem odd when they do match perfectly. This will blur over into so-called 'real' experience too. - Brian Staker from email
Jemm
must be bad *and yes, i do like bacon* - Nia
mmmm bacon - Rasmus Lauridsen
Yuk. Diet coke. For true baconated soda pleasure, it has to be full-fat coke - Slappy Line
Scott Beale
> @burningman responds to @eff's concerns about Burning Man's media policy & use of DMCA takedowns http://blog.burningman.com/...
Rob Sellen :o)
Hey Labels, You Just Lost Your Biggest Cheerleader - http://techgeist.net/2009...
Steven Perez
"These roast potatoes (or roasties) were made to accompany the roast beef last weekend. I tend to cook the healthier version normally, using much less oil, but sometimes you just want the traditional taste of good roast potatoes - crispy on the outside and fluffy on the inside." - Steven Perez from Bookmarklet
Mmmm. My favourite food ever. - Charlotte M
Graham Sergeant
Henry Ford said: "If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." Or, to put it another way, approval is the opposite of innovation.
Given that Purefold generates feedback from most popular friendfeed posts, does this mean the backing will go to the "faster horses" whilst alien automobiles are buried at the bottom of the feed? - Graham Sergeant
graham's question is spot on - meika loofs samorzewski
It's essential for markets to listen to needs, but converting them into product is not so straightforward. If 10% demand a feature / function, but it has a negative impact on the other 90%, should you implement? - zeroinfluencer
Faster horses, if even possible, may have been better for the planet than the car: pollution, oil, urban congestion are not side effects of the 'car'. Much of the automobile industry is trying to resolve these side effects (electric engines, pedestrian awareness, silent running) - how many of these 'selling' points were originally requested by the audience? Ford did try and push out... more... - zeroinfluencer
With the design of Purefold, the near future method of storytelling is to aid foresight and conversation around 'how' do you design for the future. What should be the mentality of product design? - zeroinfluencer
I believe Innovation is approval. It's invention that clashes with co-creation approval. (invention is to the lightbulb, what innovation is to neon signs). With Purefold, the popular ideas, commentary, feedback will face the writers and directors - and their role is to tell the story - that process will decide on how inclusion is folded in. If Alien Automobiles (bearing in mind, everything has to lock up to real plausibility in the near future) can be referenced, the concept is popular culture. - zeroinfluencer
Innovation only meets with approval after the fact-- as Steve Jobs says: "people don't know what they want until you show it to them" If Purefold filters purely along the lines of popular approval it is actually facing backwards to the last 5 minutes not forwards to what is next. This is systemic conservatism. Popularity is one method of idea filtration. What other filters can you think off? Filters that foster innovation. - Graham Sergeant
Check out Everett Rogers adoption curve... the critical mass of popularity is way behind the innovators: http://images.google.co.uk/images... - Graham Sergeant
This article poses some interesting questions for Purefold about the inherent problem with transitioning from being a new, innovative product into something that appeals to people with little imagination ie the general populace (aka middle ground) who generally pay the bills. http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_b... - Johnny Blank
@Graham sorry but your quote from Jobs does not contribute to your idea - Jobs may say many things but what Apple delivers is very far from innovation. - A.T.
Under the hood maybe but in terms of human experience they are untouchable. Apple didn't invent the personal music player or mobile phone, they entered late and are now leaders with previous market leaders immitating them: http://www.engadget.com/2007... - Graham Sergeant
the difference between invention and innovation seems semantically tricky to me, as it leads you to wonder what is ever really "invented." as Graham points out, Apple didn't "invent" the personal music player, but they "innovated" one that didn't suck. :-) James Watt didn't invent the steam engine -- he just tweaked Newcomen's steam engine. Edison didn't "invent" the light bulb -- he... more... - Karim
Teilo Trimble
The problem with Hollywood which is the pinnacle of popularist publication is its lack of ideas and diversity. Isn't this a rather desperate attempt to trawl the internet collating the masses feeds, then by using the same elite groups of producers turning this mass subconsciousness into a publication that reduces the risk for advertisers?
To us, the real job, i.e. finding out fresh and valuable ideas, and to them, the $$$$$ - skylendar
Skylender - could you, like Teilo, give us some info about yourself? - your background and interests etc - zeroinfluencer
The question is true in part, we are finding ways to reduce waste in the production process. Equally, our aim is to make the content more relevant to the participants. Purefold is designed to work with each user at the centre of the experience. - zeroinfluencer
To some extent this is what writers have always done; trawl the culture for inspiration. For me, what stops it from being *more elite locked corporate culture* is the built in Creative Commons license; it can't be elite if anyone can do anything with it, and then release the results anywhere. - Al Robertson
There is maybe a slighly better explanation: due to the crisis and the piracy, the bankers have become rather tight-fisted, even fearful, and want solid guarantees before financing any new product. Hence the purefold project, which is a kind of poll to ensure that the serie will meet its audience. As to me, I'm an old BR fan, and I would like to find out again the same fascinating atmosphere, the same existential questions as in BR. - skylendar
I think the real question, then, is this: what is inherently wrong with tailoring a product to its target audience? It seems like that's already done with nearly every product or service on the market. Isn't participatory design simply the natural extension of that practice? - John Porter
I dont think theres anything wrong with tailoring something for a target audience especially if your developing a brand in the same space: for that brand its a more expedient process but will it make the product any better? The question is whatever is produced from this new process will it reflect diversity and originality? It might be a very good process for producing a better tin of beans but is this the way to produce a product with artistic qualities? - Teilo Trimble
But it seems like you're implying that the *placed products* are what are being crowdsourced. As I understand it, the products that we'll see in Purefold content are already developed prototypes/concepts. Purefold is going to be near-future fiction dealing with social issues relating to empathy (etc.), and it is the subject matter, environments, characters, and stories that will be... more... - John Porter
I'm sorry if it seems to you as if I'm implying purefold will create any new brands or products be they tins of beans, widgets or whatever ...although as I think about it "crowdsourcing" would probably help create better products through a massive consultative process.... however my question isn't that at all - I want to know if its proposed we use this purefold to create art? - Teilo Trimble
[peering through huge, Tyrell-style eyeglasses] "COMMERCE... is our goal here at Purefold. 'More viral than a virus' is our motto." :-D - Karim
Karim - that's the human species in an anthropomorphic nutshell. - zeroinfluencer
Don't mistake technical prowess for empathy. Humanity relies on stories not technology. Purefold's success relies solely upon whether it can engage and communicate to an audience. The audience doesn't always want to watch a story that they have suggested. Brands should never lead the conversation, they should heed their values and become the conversation. Surprise us. Or is Purefold... more... - Johnny Blank
They don't have any story. They expect us to provide them with it. - skylendar
skylender, not quite true. We are inviting you to introduce stories AND play with ours. Our stories are being prepared for public consumption. - zeroinfluencer
Ok David, Where's your story? Show me yours and I'll show you mine! - Teilo Trimble
Ok, I could provide you with a story and characters, but will you take it into account ? My vision and tastes are not necessarily shared with everyone here. - skylendar
The Purefold FF community will be the judge of that. - Graham Sergeant
skylender, looking forward to your contributions. - zeroinfluencer
Brian Staker
@duhism RT @feralsmile why eat? I thought Duhists absorb energy from sarcastic comments?--you've got the Breatharians beat
Scott Beale
Fallout Themed LARP Event in Leningrad, Russia - http://lslinks.laughingsquid.com/fallout...
Fallout Themed LARP Event in Leningrad, Russia
very cool. - Calvin Ayre
Slappy Line
The one-hundred largest entities (including hives, colonies and giant fungii) on earth in ascending order of perceived threat to humanity - http://titleswithoutposts.blogspot.com/2009...
except the link didn't take me anywhere but to itself :( I was all sorts of excited to read a story about that thesis statement - Holden Caulfield
The clue is in the name of the blog... - Slappy Line
Haha, I love it. - Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Scott Beale
TED Talk Video: Clay Shirky on How Cellphones, Twitter, Facebook Can Make History - http://laughingsquid.com/ted-tal...
zeroinfluencer
Retrofitting Blade runner: Retrofitting Blade runner: issues in Ridley Scott's Blade runner and Philip K. Dick's Do androids dream of electric sheep? - http://books.google.com/books...
Retrofitting Blade runner: Retrofitting Blade runner: issues in Ridley Scott's Blade runner and Philip K. Dick's Do androids dream of electric sheep?
"This book of essays looks at the multitude of texts and influences which converge in Ridley Scott’s film Blade Runner, especially the film’s relationship to its source novel, Philip K. Dick’s Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Essays consider political, moral and technological issues raised by the film, as well as literary, filmic, technical and aesthetic questions. Contributors discuss the film’s psychological and mythic patterns, importance political issues and the roots of the film in Paradise Lost, Frankenstein, detective fiction, and previous science fiction cinema." - zeroinfluencer from Bookmarklet
an excellent book, I've read it on occasion and intend to purchase it one day in one of the Amazon binges - Michael Bravo
The part about moral discourse where it compares Tyrell Corporation to Nazi scientists, (and by dint of that replicants to Jews which would make Bladerunners SS officers) is chilling stuff. PKD said that the inspiration for Bladerunner came from an entry in a concentration camp guard's diary where the guard complained that he was having to play classical music loudly at night in order... more... - Graham Sergeant
more people should understand that inspiration for the story. then there would be less stupid arguments about whether Deckard is (or isn't) a replicant. PKD understood that the concentration camp guards were not *behaving* as humans, despite being human, and having human parts. - Karim
I thought the "Deckard is human" tribe was hunted to extinction in the late 90s - Graham Sergeant
maybe they were, but i've always been in the IT DOESN'T MATTER tribe. :-D it's like arguing about whether it should be spelled "Baty" or "Batty." once you understand that human beings can act like robots, and robots can act like human beings (by using the Empathy Box, by saving Deckard's life, etc.) then it doesn't matter who is "artificial" and who isn't: what matters is who *acts* like a human being. - Karim
the whole "is he or isn't he" argument is just so much tribalism, an attempt to reduce the story to us vs. them. - Karim
which, the story of gutted original script aside, is more or less the gist of the latest Terminator, eh? - Michael Bravo
Michael, yes, and similar ground was also covered in the remake of "Battlestar Galactica," as well as ages ago in the various "Ghost in the Shell" franchises. in the latter there are characters who are completely artificial except for their brains, and one of them has a lot of angst about whether she's still really human... - Karim
I'm an avid GITS fan, so... :) also liking BSG quite a lot, but I don't have a TV series habit, so I'm stuck somewhere halfway through the first season, fully intending to continue though. - Michael Bravo
It's an important distinction in that the "hero", who we have been following for the entire story, even glimpsing into his interior life at the mythical reverie implant, an emotional high point of the film, is the same as those he is hunting, and we are taught, by dint of Deckard's replicant status, that replicants have as rich an interior life as we do, yet are an enemy to be disposed... more... - Graham Sergeant
one man's "destabilization of built-in moral assumptions" is another man's cheesy plot twist. "And the guy persecuting the X's was an X himself!" distracts from the real point of the story, in my opinion. - Karim
PKD was happy to put the question in the novel as a kind of *doubt* -- something the protagonist questioned, something intended to cause cognitive dissonance in the reader. by resolving the doubt (and the cognitive dissonance), the story loses the ability to make the reader question his OWN humanity. - Karim
The revelation that we have been empathising with a replicant (in the sense that we empathise with the protagonist in classical storytelling) is precisely what brings the audience's humanity into focus and the apparatus the story uses to do this is that which makes Deckard most human to us; his emotional reverie inside his most private moment which is actually an implant externalised as... more... - Graham Sergeant
Also, I'm not sure I would call it a twist, it is more of a dramatic reversal in a sequence of reversals that starts with the revelation that Rachel is a replicant unknowingly, Baty killing his "father" and saving his persecutor, to reciting poetry and revealing more emotional richness than any other character in the film. A twist comes out of nowhere but a dramatic reversal is part of the build up to a story climax - Graham Sergeant
Bladerunner raises the distinction between human and replicant so that it can then erase that distinction. - Graham Sergeant
i choose to believe the same -- that the story of 'blade runner' is a story that gives us the opportunity to think about what truly makes us human, and i think any story that does that in an effective way is a good one. when i was in college, albeit a long time ago, thinking about that same question, i was thrilled at the idea that humans were so similar to our non-human primate relatives. - docrivs
if we examine critically the science fictions and current scientific and technological realities that make up our world we can now be thrilled at the idea that we can continue to alter our attitudes about what it means to be human. - docrivs
Docrivs, I'm sure Ray agrees with you."Ray Kurzweil's wildest dream is to be turned into a cyborg—a flesh-and-blood human enhanced with tiny embedded computers, a man-machine hybrid with billions of microscopic nanobots coursing through his bloodstream." http://www.newsweek.com/id... - Tom Himpe
@tom there was a speech William Gibson gave at some scifi writers' gathering (or some such, I can dig it out if you are interested), in which he said that we are all actually cyborgs for a long time now, we just don't realize it yet, meaning. for example, this - you are now digesting information that goes into your optic nerve via pixels on your screen and before that has traveled... more... - Michael Bravo
#cyborganthropology that's pretty damn cool, tom. thanks. the creator of some of the most widely-used electronic musical instruments in the world seems to me to be an appropriate visionary for that dream. i think he'd probably agree that it is fascinating to see a future ahead of us in which the lines between humanity and machine-ity (is there a word for that?) will be blurred even further. - docrivs
#cyborganthropology mike, that's exactly the kind of thinking that has fascinated me for a very long time -- probably when i first learned about computers and electronics, as a child. what is the difference between people and robots, was a question i asked a lot at school. the answers i received were never satisfactory -- all that talk about 'spirit' and 'soul' and 'humanity' and 'consciousness'... it never did it for me. i'm also fascinated with networks -- bits travelling through the air or wiring... - docrivs
Graham, i'm still not buying the idea that saying Deckard is a replicant "brings the audience's humanity into focus." if anything, it serves to turn Deckard into The Other. you can call it a "dramatic plot reversal" instead of a twist, but it amounts to the same thing -- a tired science fiction trope in which it is revealed that the man is really a machine. (e.g. the ending to Star Trek's "What Are Little Girls Made Of?" and The Outer Limit's "Demon with a Glass Hand") - Karim
i agree that the story intends to blur the relationship between human and replicant, but PKD never really explains in the book that Deckard is a replicant. to the extent it doesn't matter, PKD ends the book by having Deckard find a real toad, thought to have been long extinct. Deckard really cares for the toad. but at the very end, his wife Iran finds out the toad isn't real. which *doesn't matter*, because she ends up ordering some artificial flies for it to eat. - Karim
karim: that's pretty cool about the toad. i haven't had read any of pkd's books yet, i don't think. he didn't write 'a scanner darkly' did he? i read that. it was strange, but had some cool ideas. you make me want to watch 'blade runner' again to see if i see what you see. i like stories when the android/cyborg/robot/replicant doesn't know that it is part-machine (or a human-simulated machine). i just saw that alien movie with winona ryder, and this conversation reminds me of her character similarities - docrivs
yikes, docrivs, i hope i didn't totally spoil the book for you? i figured everyone here would have read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. :-) yeah, i think PKD did write "A Scanner Darkly" -- the film being fairly faithful to the novel. a case could be made for Deckard not being a replicant in the movie: he feels bad about "shooting a woman in the back," and feels bad about telling... more... - Karim
Dick did indeed write "A Scanner Darkly." I quite liked the rotoscoped film adaptation. With the opening "aphid" scene, it was clear the movie was going to be pretty faithful right from the beginning. - Christopher A Carr
i haven't seen the film yet, but i did look it up to see if pkd wrote it. i like books that blur the edges of reality/dream/hallucination. i need to read electric sheep. that's been one i've been hearing about all of my life. i was more into fantasy sci-fi, as a kid, and didn't get into the future stuff for awhile. no, you didn't give it away -- the book. i'm sure that my having seen the movie first will spoil it more than anything else. - docrivs
Blade Runner riddle solved http://news.bbc.co.uk/2... "the Director's Cut edition - although deliberately ambiguous - convinced many that the hero was indeed a replicant and in a Channel 4 documentary Scott at last reveals they are correct." - John Hardy
Karim, Bladerunner isn't cheesy... ok, the voice over was cheesy but that's gone now. There's no way any of those plot turns from science fiction shows come close to the subtletly of the now iconic origami unicorn. All plot devices and premises are old as the hills, it's how they're treated that matters. and the emotive richness of Bladerunner is unmatched in the science fiction genre.... more... - Graham Sergeant
Graham, i *partially* agree with your last comment. :-D i don't think the movie is cheesy. i think "revealing" that Deckard was really a replicant is a cheesy reveal :-D it's the ending to an M. Night Shyamalan film, not a Ridley Scott film. Mr. Scott obviously would disagree with me :-D as would you, but that's just the way i feel about it. the "Deckard = replicant" reveal answers a question that i think PKD deliberately *meant* to be ambiguous and unanswered. - Karim
J.J. Abrams gave a TED talk on the importance of mystery (http://www.ted.com/talks...) and it's something i agree with wholeheartedly: that it's important for some questions to remain unanswered, that the important thing is that the question *makes us think*, makes us wonder, *adds* to the story because it forces us to consider things instead of having all the answers handed to us on a platter. - Karim
first time I read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" i puzzled about whether Deckard was an andy -- which led me to wonder what one was, exactly: how many artificial parts could someone have before they were a machine. which reminded me of the love letter from Hamlet to Ophelia, where he pledges his love to her, for as long as "this machine is to him." (i.e. as long as Hamlet lives... more... - Karim
have you all seen the trailer and website for the surrogates? it looks frickn awesome!!! - docrivs
trailer for 'the surrogates' -- http://news.septagonstudios.com/... - docrivs
docrivs, that does look all kinds of awesome. mashup of The Matrix with Ghost in the Shell :-D - Karim
yup, that's what i was thinking... and 'true lies' (is that the one where arnold's dreaming the whole time?) and 'strange days'... i love this kinda stuff - docrivs
Bladerunner show us 3 characters (Deck, Rach, Baty) who it says are definitely replicant but all display empathy amongst other rich emotions, the one trait we are told, that should differentiate them by it's absence. Each one of these characters also commit murder as well. This is as much a hall of mirrors as the book as we still can't tell them apart even though the film gives us the... more... - Graham Sergeant
The deepest mystery that we'll never penetrate is what it means to be human. Both film and book complicate our thoughts on this. Compared to this, withholding Deckard's status is a bit flimsy. - Graham Sergeant
Thanks for the pointer to the TED talk, I'll watch it. Meanwhile, on the subject of mystery, let me list a quote from one of my favourite books, The Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin (in a separate comment due to the lack of formatting in friendfeed comments) - Michael Bravo
"The unknown," said Faxe's soft voice in the forest, "the unforetold, the unproven, that is what life is based on. Ignorance is the ground of thought. Unproof is the ground of action. If it were proven that there is no God there would be no religion. No Handdara, no Yomesh, no hearthgods, nothing. But also if it were proven that there is a God, there would be no religion. ... Tell me,... more... - Michael Bravo
Good quote from a great writer. - Graham Sergeant
Zach Holmquist
It's time!! The Farmers Market opens this Saturday at Pioneer Park -- Come and join us!! http://www.downtownslc.org/events... (via @downtownslc)
I'm so excited for the Farmers Market to finally open! - Holden Caulfield
Eric Rice
ParisLemon » On Trolls - http://parislemon.com/2009...
Everything changes, it always does. This is why I've never believed in such a thing as 'social media', because it's not tech or services, it's people. Anonymous or not. - Eric Rice from Bookmarklet
Also, when it comes to real people/known people as trolls, there has to be consensus and you don't always see that. Many people call Prokofy a troll (or Vaspers), but I'm not so quick to judge. I'm just smart enough to figure out where the message is through the wall of rhetoric and vitirol. But it's not *my* problem others don't want to deal with the process. Wisdom requires some pain, and not something we much of in a 140-character, headline-driven soundbyte world. - Eric Rice
Slappy Line
Every time somebody posts bacon-related heart-attack food porn, I can be spotted in the comments saying "That's all well and good, but it should be battered and deep fried." Well, somebody finally listened. - http://www.aboutcolonblank.com/2009...
Every time somebody posts bacon-related heart-attack food porn, I can be spotted in the comments saying "That's all well and good, but it should be battered and deep fried." Well, somebody finally listened.
Triple bacon cheeseburger in a sandwich of deep-fried, battered burgers!!!!!! - Slappy Line from Bookmarklet
thisiswhyyourefat.com - Holden Caulfield
Oh I only look at the pictures. I don't actually eat food. thisiswhyimNOTfat.com :-) - Slappy Line
no, it's a website that has more pictures of the same topic. http://thisiswhyyourefat.com/ I wasn't meaning to imply that you actually ate such things. :) - Holden Caulfield
Oh no, don't get me wrong, if I did eat, I would certainly eat such things, but I am beyond your human need for food. I exist on a diet of air, sunlight, airborne microplankton, vanilla milkshake and coffee. Lots and lots of coffee. - Slappy Line
and weapons grade plutonium - Slappy Line
Eric Rice
Eric Rice
Eric Rice
Who Should Make The Buffy Movie? [Rant, Part 2] - http://io9.com/5271668...
Slappy Line
You know those vehicle reversing alert siren doodahs that some trucks and vans have to warn stupid people that there's a sodding great lorry coming at you backwards? Well, one of the songbirds around here has learned to imitate that annoying "diddle-EEE diddle-eee" noise and is sitting right outside my window.
Didn't fool me for a second though. I knew there wasn't a truck about to reverse into my living room. I'm on the 2nd floor (for US readers, that's the 3rd floor) - Slappy Line
Haha, that is great. I was actually walking past a van the other day as it was backing out of a spot and I heard, "this vehicle is backing up, this vehicle is backing up...". I'm not sure which is more annoying. - James Poling
Around here, some of the mockingbirds have learned those car alarms that run through five or six different sirens. I'll be walking down the street and sitting on the lamp post is a bird going WOO-oo WOO-oo, woooOOOOOOP, woooOOOOOOP. - Dan Messer
my neighbors parrots whistle for my dogs all the time. - Moved to Facebook
I've been trying to record that damned bird all day. You know what? He only does it when the recorder runs out of memory or I switch it off. Or if there's a car going past, the noise of which drowns him out. Bastard. - Slappy Line
@slippy: The mockingbird keeps on mocking you :P - Jemm
We can rename this thread. To Kill a Mockingbird, woo eee wooo eeee - Moved to Facebook
Eric Hamilton
Good news! I'm moving back to Salt Lake City! :)
Esther
"I broke this" are not words you want to hear from your kids.
Esther
the picture with the lolipops is awesome - Holden Caulfield
Eric Hamilton
Brian Staker
Sometimes I feel like I am driven, but I'm not sure who's in the driver's seat.
Slappy Line
Making arts on my smartphone
0.jpe
nice! :) I see a sail boat. What program did you use? It's very aesthetically pleasing. - Holden Caulfield
A program called Draw! downloaded from the android market - Slappy Line
Eric Rice
Solar panels that float in the ocean - http://dvice.com/archive...
Eric Rice
The PETA Files: NBC's Sexually-Explicit Super Bowl Ad Rejection Makes Us Blush - http://blog.peta.org/archive...
# licking pumpkin/#pumpkin from behind between legs/# rubbing pelvic region with pumpkin I PUT ON MY ROBE AND WIZARD HAT - Eric Rice from Bookmarklet
Eric Rice
BloodNinja : IRC (long before PETA) - http://www.bloodninja.org/
"I touch you on your lettuce, you massage my spinach... Sexily.... My turnips listen for the soft cry of your love. My insides turn to celery as I unleash my warm and sticky cauliflower of love. <MommyMelissa> What the fuck is this madlibs? I'm outta here. - Eric Rice from Bookmarklet
Eric Rice
Nobody would hurt a sea kitten - http://www.peta.org/sea_kit...
Yeah but I'd certainly slap the ever loving shit out of the person who invented the phrase, and I'd do so with my big sea kitten named TROUT. - Eric Rice from Bookmarklet
Ah, delicious sea kittens, let me snuggle you... in my belly. - Daniel Andrlik
NOM NOM - Eric Rice
In an unexpected reversal of events, people are now eating 'land kittens' because of PETA's successful campaign to call fish 'sea kittens' - Holden Caulfield
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