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The End of Business as Usual: #AdaptorDie to Connected Marketing - Search Engine Watch (#SEW) - http://searchenginewatch.com/article...
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I caught up with Solis this week to talk about his new book, “The End of Business as Usual: Rewire The Way You Work to Succeed in the Customer Revolution.” The following are highlights from our conversation.
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3-D Photo Visualization and Beyond: 'Vibrant Media' - http://newsroom.intel.com/communi...
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Panasonic's Toughbook C1 Receives Sandy Bridge Upgrade - http://www.maximumpc.com/article...
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Panasonic has updated its Toughbook C1 convertible tablet PC with a second-generation Intel chip. The upgraded C1, which lays claim to being the lightest 12.1-inch convertible tablet, features a Core i5-2520M vPro 2.50GHz processor as opposed to the 2.4GHz Core i5-520M found inside its predecessor. Hit the jump for detailed specs. The Sandy Bridge processor is not the only thing that gives the latest model an edge over its predecessor. Here is a list of some of the other upgraded features: 320GB 7200rpm shock-mounted flex-connect hard drive with quick-release RAM: 2GB DDR3 (1333MHz) RAM (expandable to 8GB) Battery Life: Up to 12 hours with optional second battery and 6 hours without it Weight: 3.28 lbs (3.73 lbs with optional second battery) Interfaces: SDXC card slot Embedded Connectivity: Wi-Fi , Intel(R) Centrino(R) Advanced-N 6205 802.11a/b/g/n Optional Integrated Features: 1.3MP webcam, 128 solid-state drive (SSD) When compared to the previous model,Windows 7 is said to boot 30...
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Inventing The Future Is Everyone’s Job http://blog.podio.com/2011...
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"the world is just too complex, change comes too fast, and the challenges we face are too immense (and interconnected), for an insular clique of executives to chart the course of an organization from a blank sheet of paper and sheer brilliance. If the goal is proactive change and continuous renewal, the responsibility for shaping direction must be broadly shared (within and beyond the walls of the organization)."
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Onkyo lays out tablet roadmap – Oak Trail, Cedar Trail upgrades later this year: Onkyo, a small outfit based in ... http://www.netbooknews.com/19087...
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LG G-Slate now fully official, details, 3D camera and all: Some news about the LG’s G-Slate popped up earlier to... http://www.netbooknews.com/19096...
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(video) Pretty nice #GoogleTV remote app for android and iphone http://www.youtube.com/watch... #smarttv
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welcome!hi from Italy.:)
- Nicola Codipietro
Won't let it get to my head - 10 Facebook Pages Every Advertiser Should Follow - http://www.allfacebook.com/10-face...
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Commento per leggere con calma domani..
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pare che molti l'abbiano visto perche' ho quasi 180 fan in piu' questa sera...
- Valeria Maltoni
I have been digging on some @heyitsnoah over the past few days. Good stuff. http://www.slideshare.net/nbrier...
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CR-48 Chrome OS Notebooks Destroyed, Work Still Gets Done: What happens when you lose or accidentally destroy (o... http://www.netbooknews.com/15586...
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Don't You Wish Your Airport Had an App Like This? (SFO) - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archive...
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All of them do. It's FlightTrack Pro with FlightBoard. Love it.
- Josh Bancroft
Who's Using Twitter? [REPORT] - http://mashable.com/2010...
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The Pew Center is out with a new report that focuses on the people who use Twitter in the U.S., and it reveals some interesting trends.
- Carolina Velis
Wow - this looks like an awesome opportunity - Dell, Director of Next Generation http://www.linkedin.com/jobs... #jobs #dell
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Director of Next Generation at Dell in Open | LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/jobs...
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Wow - this looks like an awesome opportunity - Dell, Director of Next Generation http://linkd.in/bPS7ii #jobs #dell
- Bill
Steve Wozniak: #Android will be the dominant smartphone platform @stevewoz /via @engadget #mobile http://www.engadget.com/2010...
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RT @mjones: We launched Mashup today - here's what Fortune had to say: http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010...
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iPod Nano 2010 Unboxing and Hands On: Sascha’s on an Apple buying spree! He showed us the new iPod touch yesterday... http://www.netbooknews.com/8873...
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Mike Arrington is leading the mob. Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here and tell us whether he is wrong or right. Oh, and welcome to the mob:
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He'll be back...he's just going to milk this for all it's worth first.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Do not feed the trolls.
- monkeystick
I think he is looking for page views and a way to get the mob to come to his real time event on July 10th. Brilliantly played Mr. Arrington!
- Robert Scoble
Maybe it will bring some more people to FF who haven't been on it which is a good thing.
- Mike Bracco
"FriendFeed today is like Syphilis in 1495." -Arrington. I'd say that's taking this a bit too far.
- Garin Kilpatrick
I understand objectively there's strengths and weaknesses, but I also find that this discussion is teetering of the verge of irrelevance. Can you make it clear to me (in seriousness) the value from this friendfeed versus anti friendfeed arguement? Are we looking forward to the next tool? Or to making improvements to friendfeed?
- Malcolm Bastien
Mike: I doubt it.
- Robert Scoble
Do you think it was specifically an anti-Friendfeed rant, Robert? Some of the comments that poured in after the "Laporte Incident" were pretty horrible. If I was on the receiving end of that, I'd think I'd be feeling like a mob was after my head. Also, don't you think that his point about people feeling more comfortable to "talk hate" using their own/real names is a good one?
- Andrew Terry
I don't understand why Mike is wasting time and effort on those death threat comments from the idiots that posted them. Why is he giving them any real credit? They should be dismissed. They should be ignored. They're the grown up versions of youtube commenters.
- Lise
The thread with Aaron last week demonstrates that the FF community is reasonable and self-correcting. FF also provides fine grained controls so that you DON'T see what you don't want. Mobs are simply human nature. Dissapointingly so. Mike may as well call for the abolition of Town Halls, Community Clubs and the like.
- Roberto Bonini
As long as Mob leaders like Laporte keep it together no trolls get hurt.
- Garin Kilpatrick
Arrington should go crawl back into his cave
- Daniel Lazarides
I have a feeling Arrington is developing a relationship with FF analogous to Dvorak's with Apple. ie. piss off the faithful (get traffic), blog about the nasty community members attacking you (more traffic), eventually reverse yourself and please the community (more traffic again). Lather-rinse-repeat.
- Michael R. Bernstein
If Mike doesn't like mobs he should open a private room here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
I feel the same way about this argument that I do about people who complain about television. Stop whining. If you don't like what's on, change the channel or turn the TV off. FF, like any online community, is based on elective participation. If you don't like what's happening, move on to something else. Also, people take what's written in these forums WAY too seriously. If you can't take the occasional insult, get off the web and go find something else to do with your time.
- Kevin (aka ThreadKilla)
And last i checked, Leo is NOT a mob leader. Or a Troll leader.
- Roberto Bonini
Andrew: mobs have always formed online. FriendFeed does allow them to form faster but Arrington should go read Digg and YouTube comments for a while. The stuff I have seen here is pretty easy going compared to those.
- Robert Scoble
Go to a forum with lots of members and ask a noobish question and watch the mob flame you into the middle of next week.
- Mark
Michael: bing! Arrington is the best at whiping up crowds. Anyone remember when he called France lazy?
- Robert Scoble
Andrew: I think everyone here generally agrees with Mike that those types of comments are out of line. Can't blame Mike for feeling touchy about them.
- Roberto Bonini
Danny that's the irony in all this. Arrington is the King of The Trolls! Leo called him the biggest troll "in the world" a few times.
- Mark
I used to read techcrunch and even comment once in a while. Mike Arrington has been consistently losing credibility with me these past few months, and now has forfeited the last bit. I was going to comment over there, but it really has ceased to be worth my time. I'm even sorry I clicked over to his article. Interesting that I wouldn't even have known for it if not for this post on...which service is this again, oh yes, ...friendfeed.
- Jim #TeamMonique
It seems to me that Mike wants the attention or he wouldn't have post this. He just doesn't like it if it doesn't go his way. He sort of like the guy who finds a bees nest and pokes a stick in it. They finally calm down and they poke it again and are surprised by the results
- Kim Landwehr
Jim: welcome to MobFeed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I'm in my Godfather.
- Thomas Chai
Kim: Arrington is smarter than that. He knows there are a lot of people here and he is about to monetize the real time web with a conference.
- Robert Scoble
Whats this conference you are refering to Rob ? x
- Mark
Yep a online service that accounts for a small percentage of internet users will destroy everything Arrington holds dear. Syphilis?
- Andy Foster
Kim: this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London.
- Robert Scoble
[sigh] i guess Arrington just can't stop himself.
- MikeAmundsen
"I’m going to pick on" - words say it all
- Paul Rawlings
Anyone have a link to this real time conference he is doing?
- Mark
Speaking of realtime, why hasn't Arrington or O'Reilly grabbed the title "Realtime Web" for a series of conferences ala Web 2.0?--maybe you should first Robert!
- Michael Metz
I guess it's working
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Mike: Arrington is taking advantage of the fact that WE can't stop ourselves.
- Robert Scoble
Exactly, Robert.
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
Well, that explains a lot Robert
- Kim Landwehr
What was that link again? Lol!
- ʎəlɹoɯ uəʞ
is buddyfeed realtime?
- Tyler Gillies
from BuddyFeed
Arrington is @replying you on twitter robby
- Mark
a) learn to use Block b) like twitter is sooo much better :/ c) waste of a read.. I thought Techcrunch did actual stories on stuff, not rants. Guess I was wrong.
- Tim Hoeck
Well, the worst thing we as the FF community could do is prove him right by "attacking" back and name-calling for what he's said. Fanning the flames justifies his opinion. Hey, if it makes people wonder what going on with this "FriendFeed" thing and they come check it and realize it's not at all like what he was saying...all the better. So, let him have his opinion and spotlight.
- c.a.j.
here is the link http://www.techcrunch.com/real-ti...
- Johni Fisher
@Robert: IMO, Arrington is doing the same thing he always does: setting himself up for some abuse from others. it's so sad to watch. in this case, he'll likely get what we is asking for, too. *again*
- MikeAmundsen
Probably should have said fein surprise
- Kim Landwehr
thx Johni,
- Mark
IMO, He's wrong. And, as mentioned, tossing gasoline on the fire by pretending to be outraged by such supposed mobs while deliberately inciting them.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
@arrington just wrote that I should propose tools to slow down the mob. Yes, we have those in Iran and China. I would rather have the mob.
- Robert Scoble
I think Arrington just wants to destroy a medium that he can't control.
- Nathan Cooprider
I really thing that this was more about online mobs with FriendFeed as an example rather than specifically about FriendFeed. Yes he uses FriendFeed as the example, but I don't think the points he makes are related solely to FriendFeed. You could easily replace FriendFeed with Digg or Huffingtonpost. Some place where people gather in mass and you can easily see a mob mentality grow.
- Michael Koby
Robert!!!!!!! :)
- Myrna
Of course he is right. When the wrong people come together than everything can happen. Same is true if good people. Even a revolution (specially Wednesday). People on FF and similar services have lots of power. Can be used to change the world!
- bishoph
Yes Chris, he is a sly old dog isn't he? Tickets might be going too slow or something
- Mark
The association with Syphilis is kind of weird. I think any public figure gets hate mail, electronically or otherwise.
- Ace
@Michael Koby, I'd agree with you (to a certain extent), if the article wasn't...specifically about FriendFeed. And about an event that occurred to Arrington personally, no less. I'd have a lot more respect for his argument if he'd spend the time to find more examples. This just looks like someone who's had a flamewar turn on him that's fighting back with his own bullhorn.
- Ken Kennedy
Bishoph: or a mob can break glass and burn buildings and hurt people. What do you want to use your mob for?
- Robert Scoble
He probably just read a book on syphilis. When I read a book on something I like to make links to the topic to make me appear well-read and smart.
- Mark
He (as usual) has some valid points. FF is a great conversation tool but when it becomes a chat room, it's not up to the task. Just as in public, I tend to avoid these mobs here on FF. 58 comments on this right now is fine but 1000 is useless. I know you don't agree, but IRC is much more useful for that.
- John Rubier
It would help if Mike actually understood how he could shape his FriendFeed experience. There are such things as blocking and hiding. It also seems like those who can dish it out but not take it run screaming from FriendFeed - which invites *real* interaction and conversation. Yeah, it's sometimes unruly, but that's reality folks! If you want the *dated* version of arm's length, yell...
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- AJ Kohn
I can't make it to Arrington's event on July 10th (I live in Boston..and the event is in SF), but I hope it gets a lot of coverage online so that the rest of us can learn from what is shared :)
- Sam Houston
Look what services like Twitter and FF did for Iran. Just a medium to share and discuss (real time) information. Of course the used words in the blog are misleading and obviously rant (a troll post to start a discussion in real time :-).
- bishoph
(Robert Scoble) -- "this is all about Arrington setting his conference up well. I will be a part of it from London. " -- next time, put this at the beginning of your post, Robert. I'm NOT interested in being a part of this childish crap. If you have actually have a problem with the post, you shouldn't either. If this thread is to help TC drum up word-of-mouth about a conference, that's...
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- Ken Kennedy
Could argue that MobFeed was more useful because it had private rooms and things.
- Mark
@AJ: Arrington knows how to use FF. this thread is evidence of that. his willingness to pimp himself out - to invite this kind of negative talk - just to promote his own interests is what is so disappointing.
- MikeAmundsen
Lazily, i'll c&p my post from TC..Yeah, this is Arrington taking a personal incident and trying REALLY hard to universalize it. And the syphilis analogy only makes this look needier and less applicable. FriendFeed aggregates conversations and connects sub-streams of the cloud more efficiently than any other current service. Once you try it, you like it. I works. It's efficient. The...
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- Thom Kennon
@Mike: Perhaps he understands that he can drum up talk, but I don't think he's been here enough to actually understand it's true power. So, yes, Arrington essentially is a FriendFeed spammer or Social Media Lout.
- AJ Kohn
Ken: it isn't my strategy and I am not profiting from it.
- Robert Scoble
"Mobs" have collapsed police states, authoritarian regimes, and given rise to countries like are's that even allow us to have this conversation today. To suppress them is like revoking the right to assemble and petition, removing the peoples voice, and is not a sign of a free and open society. Turn on the news and remember 99% of the world haven't a clue who Mike Arrington is.
- Shaun Hess
@Robert: do you think Arrington is using you to promote is own agenda?
- MikeAmundsen
Mr. Arrington is just too young. This online behavior will not subside soon. AOL Chatrooms, Usenet discussions, Compuserve bulletin boards, listserv flame wars.... The more things change, the more they stay the same. 15 years of Law and Order and broadcasting reruns on other Channels. For a Technology News guy it's pretty pathetic. What's the news? Where is the new idea?
- Birgit Pauli-Haack
Mike: he is using our mob behaviors, yes. Do I feel used? No more so than when Aaron and Steven did the same thing.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: yep.
- MikeAmundsen
I think there are many factors working here: 1)rapidly changing community norms 2) expansion of these services from small homogeneous groups who create them 3)poor communications skills 4)poor social skills 5) a lack of inhibition due to the virtual environment.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
If there was ever any doubt that Arrington seeds the controversies that surround him, let this post put that doubt to rest. His goal is to incite passions because he knows that anger drives engagement more than agreement does. He's merely the Ann Coulter of the nerd world -- nothing more, nothing less.
- Sprague D
Mike knows that we cannot help ourselves, we simply must talk about his post and send him lots of hits and maybe sell a ticket or two for him.
- Mark
@Sprague: "He's merely the Anne Coulter of the nerd world..." LOL +1
- MikeAmundsen
Well put Francine!
- Bluejeanslady
from twhirl
@Robert: your response is far too similar to what you used AGAINST Tim O'Reilly and other members of the SUL, IMO. If you know/suspect that Arrington is using this to promote a conference that you're going to attend; a conference focused on a technology realm that you make your living off of...then of course this helps you, just like being on the SUL helps Tim O'Reilly, even if he's "not changing what he says based on it". You didn't find that answer from Tim satifying, and I feel the same way about yours.
- Ken Kennedy
It is difficult to take Michael Arrington seriously as a tech analyst -- he's inflated his self-created brouhaha into a mentally disorganized blast at Friendfeed. A very emotional guy. Friendfeed is a self-organizing platform. One shouldn't complain about getting mired down in nasty exchanges that are easily avoided with unsubscriptions and blocks. Arrington's mess was self-inflicted.
- Sean McBride
Chris: I am an unpaid speaker at the TechCrunch Real Time event.
- Robert Scoble
Tim O'Reilly doesn't pay to be on the SUL, Robert.
- Ken Kennedy
Ken: WTF?
- Robert Scoble
As a matter of fact, I think Twitter is much more suited to mob creation than FriendFeed.
- Miguel Caetano
I work on my mob behavior. I engage, but try to be civil, helpful, or educational:-) this is a learned behavior after I got my butt handed to me a few times.
- Francine Hardaway
from BuddyFeed
Yes Matthew, alot of people (myself included) read a book on something and feel we must reference it to make us appear smart. I did the same thing with a book on the black death. its all nonsense of course
- Mark
@Sean: from my POV, not only was Arrington's mess self-inflicted, it was a purposeful act on his part. as is this one.
- MikeAmundsen
Miguel: yeah, over on Twitter I saw hundreds of people saying Jeff Goldbloom was dead when he wasn't.
- Robert Scoble
arrington: @Scobleizer perhaps someday when you are sitting in your house with a police car parked out front to protect you you'll think differently.
- Mark
C'mon Robert...do you seriously not grok the similarities between this argument and your complaint about O'Reilly/SUL? This is free publicity for a conference that you're speaking at that will help make your name more notable in your area of expertise.
- Ken Kennedy
Mark: perhaps I will.
- Robert Scoble
I need to read up a little more on the other parties involved. The only person I follow of this group with any real regularity is Leo LaPorte. However, from a listeners point of view, Leo grossly over-reacted to a legitimate question ( and I love Leo's work ). Would Larry King shut down the show just because he was asked something he was apparently sensitive about? ( I realize this...
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- Sean E Brown
Must have been a serious thread if the police give you personal protection
- Mark
No robert, what I pasted was Arringtons reply to you on twitter
- Mark
Mark: I know.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, please don't pay attention to M.A. He does not deserve it
- Luca Conti
Arrington is just ticked off at the response he was getting after he attacked Leo .. yeah I really think he attacked him personally. Attacking a man's credibility and integrity is a personal attack in my opinion. Then he removed the techcrunch feed from friendfeed ..so what let him .. I agree with the other commenters..He is an attention whore plain and simple then compares Friendfeed...
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- John Blanton
from twhirl
I really think Arrington has a skewed view of FriendFeed. Most of the venom against him on FriendFeed has happened during Gillmor Gang podcasts, which were most recently running on Leo Laporte's TWiT network. For whatever reason, a large percentage of Leo's TWiT fan base hates Arrington. Not just disagree. Hate. They've also said pretty awful things about Steve Gillmor, Dave Winer, etc....
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- Mike Doeff
Notice how Mike is totally absent on this thread. He should be here defending his article, defending his analogy to syphilis and letting us all know how dumb we are for not seeing things is way. Mike obiously sees no point to having this discussion. I count 2 tweets from him on this subject.
- Roberto Bonini
@Mike Doeff If he did see the civility of FriendFeed he wouldn't have compared it to syphilis.
- John Blanton
Please note, Robert...I don't think you're being all devious or anything. I'm just pointing this out to give you another angle on the O'Reilly thing. I actually think Tim probably thought "WTF" as well. And while I DO think that both of you are being a teeny bit naive thinking that the attention doesn't affect what you say or do...that's the case with pretty much all attention. I don't...
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- Ken Kennedy
Scoble: I see what you did here. :-)
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
I'd put a witty comment here, but Arrington isn't worth the requisite brain power that would consume.
- Steven Perez
Arrington is a douch.
- Peter Kruit
Can Mike read this thread without a FF account?
- Mark
Ken: Arrington is on the Suggested User List and he did not disclose that. Jason Calacanis says that is worth $250,000. I guarantee you that speaking at a conference won't get you $250,000 worth of followers.
- Robert Scoble
Anybody remember Usenet newsgroups? They still exist, and lots o' tech people still use them (i still answer questions there). There have been some remarkable flame wars there, and they are all threaded. I don't see how different that is from FF except FF has a prettier interface.
- RobinDotNet
Mark: yes
- Robert Scoble
Peter: so are you.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Thank you ;) Don't get me wrong. We also need people like that. They make for interesting discussions.
- Peter Kruit
Hah! Arrington removed my comment about him not disclosing that he is on Twitter's Suggested User list.
- Robert Scoble
Lets give 1 sec to the Arrington point at his last tweets ,cant we have some kind of control on the stream ?cant FF add better moderation tools ?
- Johni Fisher
Robert: You're stirring the pot yourself and why? Because Arrington comapred FF to Syphilis? I have nothing against a discussion about the issue at hand but you're lead-in to this was a bit on the point of the article.. It's just a session of Arrignton bashing, replace the keyboards with pitchforks and you're all on your was the TC headquarters to string up the guy.
- Sean E Brown
"on your way" rather
- Sean E Brown
And again I am comment on a Scoble thread, but to misquote Cassius " The fault, dear Friends, is not in Scoble or Arrington But in ourselves, that we are underlings."
- Kim Landwehr
oh I forgot IMHO
- Sean E Brown
Sean: you are right.
- Robert Scoble
Sean: the thing is I have seen mob suppression and I don't like it one bit.
- Robert Scoble
And I have had my car damaged and life threatened by a mob after the 49ers won the Super Bowl one year.
- Robert Scoble
@Robert: gotcha. I think I understand where you're coming from. I disagree, but it's no big deal.
- Ken Kennedy
Robert: but who is suppressing it? An article isn't going to to stop mobs, not all mobs are good mobs (lol). I suppose we all have our quirks that get us up in arms, I am in no way innocent of that.
- Sean E Brown
I declare the Dead Horse to be Beaten sufficiently.
- Sean E Brown
@Johni Fisher: FriendFeed is a social network, not a community or a forum with administrators and the like. But I reckon that nested conversations could be useful ;-)
- Miguel Caetano
This inspired me to listen to the Mob Rules album by Black Sabbath :D
- Per
It's interesting to me that the very thing Arrington talks about happens here. Where did good taste and treating other people with respect get off the track? I mean seriously...have you looked at how many people are on this thread making nasty comments about Arrington? He isn't the only one that gets that treatment, we all do if we state our opinions publicly. Now, I'm not against...
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- Sheryl
Sheryl: yes, this is bloodsport. Same thing happens at baseball stadiums every day.
- Robert Scoble
Sheryl: The nasty talk against Arrington is earned. Arrington frequently slams FriendFeed (which get under Robert Scoble's skin and compels him to do these sorts of posts, but that's another topic) and then cries whenever (a) no one pays him any attention or (b) people talk nasty about him.
- Steven Perez
Robert: I can't take things that seriously. Life is to be lived not destroyed. Why don't we talk about the value of the mob? Why don't we talk about how amazing social networks can be?
- Sheryl
Steven: I disagree with you :) That Arrington has an opinion and states it no more gives you or I a right to tear his person apart than my simply waking up every day. Argue against his opinion but name calling has no benefits.
- Sheryl
Sheryl: You're entitled to your viewpoint, but I've been here long enough to see how Arrington operates. And nothing I've seen from him lately has changed that opinion. He deserves every bit of scorn he gets, because he delights in these sort of poop fights.
- Steven Perez
Here are some features that might slow down mob-like participation: 1) move the comment link to after the last comment, rather than right under the item, to encourage reading the previous comments before commenting. 2) once a threshold has been reached, remove the comment link entirely, so you have to go to the item page (which displays all comments) before commenting, to discourage formation of instant pile-ons from within the live stream.
- Michael R. Bernstein
Steven: You don't have to change your opinion of Arrington. At no time have I suggested you aren't entitled to your opinion. But what benefit for you is there in calling him names? We all have opinions others disagree with. You didn't call me names and yet for all you know I'm a horrible person (I'm not) I think the world is better for opinions and different thoughts. It stretches us to...
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- Sheryl
Mike comparing FF to syphilis is pure, shameless analogy abuse. But say what you will about Mike, his arguments are interesting, and I do read them. And if anyone on this thread wants to organize a torch and pitchfork mob against him, let me be the first to say I've got a billion more interesting and important things to occupy my time.
- James Hernandez
Sheryl: I said it Zee's thread and I'll say it here - it's another Arrington poop fight. He throws enough of it on the wall to see what sticks, gets Robert Scoble riled up, and a mess of blog posts and forum fights ensue. SOP for Arrington. Meanwhile, he reaps the benefits of notoriety and links back to his site, all without ever setting foot in here, because we're all going over there to see what he wrote.
- Steven Perez
Neither of these are particularly innovative, BTW. I can suggest reading Derek Powazek's excellent book 'Design for Community':http://www.amazon.com/exec...
- Michael R. Bernstein
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it go something like this: 1. Arrington dislikes Scoble. 2. Scoble likes FriendFeed. 3. Therefore, Arrington dislikes FriendFeed.
- Stephen Mack #TeamMomo
Steven: I would only ask this, who is inciting who if Arrington squawks and people fluff their feathers? I don't know Mike Arrington, I know who he is and I have read enough to know he frequently says things that are inflammatory, but I don't call him names publicly. Where is the value in that? Can someone show me why that is useful because if you can, I may change my tune, though it's highly unlikely! ;-)
- Sheryl
Stephen: I don't think Arrington dislikes me.
- Robert Scoble
it's all entertainment in the end :D
- Iphigenie
Ken: ;-) Dork! LOL (I can call Ken names cause he's my SO) hehe
- Sheryl
Ken: even filtering can't help some threads! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: shall I bop him on the head? hehe
- Sheryl
Ken: only if you search for it will it matter for long.
- Robert Scoble
Sheryl -- what kind of response do you think Arrington anticipated when he compared Friendfeed to syphillis -- *at length* (in case we missed the point)? Describing him as a jackass strikes me as a measured and rational response. But he is best ignored, to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Sheryl: there's a small bit of problem with your logic. By your logic, everything that Ann Coulter (thanks, Sprague D) says is not deserving of scorn, either.
- Steven Perez
Steven I don't say it's wrong to be scornful. I do still think it's wrong to call names. It feels wrong to me to validate that in any way. Defending position is a whole other thing. To enter the fray and retaliate has no good consequence.
- Sheryl
Sean: I don't think it matters what Arrington's goal was. In the end, even if Arrington calls FF names, to do so in return accomplishes what?
- Sheryl
Sheryl -- sometimes it is healthy to call out a jackass as a jackass, and then move on to more productive topics. It puts a period on the nonsense. In general I agree with you: the more civil the conversation, the better.
- Sean McBride
This whole thing reminds me of the "How to tell someone they sounded racist video" http://www.youtube.com/watch... I think we can all learn something from that video. Keep to the subject, instead of calling names and generalizing from what a person did. If you want a good discussion on this subject don't call people names. Instead of wasting time in here where M.A says he...
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- Rasmus Lauridsen
Because, at the end of the day, Arrington is against mob mentality ... unless he can direct the mob's direction.
- Steven Perez
The real problem with herd mentality is that once understood, it can be effectively deployed to link bait, generate PR in the form of online discussions, and to promote social media sites and/or events, without people even being aware of it.
- Mark Davidson
I'm particularly baffled - better yet - amused by how the media gurus quickly turn into poor, weeping poopflinging angry things once they find themselves prodded by the pointy end of a mass of people (which they then call "a mob" elegantly skipping the "lynch" part). Groupthink - yes, sometimes - even herd mentality - but this has all to do with how people are, and nothing with technology, so I really don't get the hate on FF (Syphilis? gimme a f-in' break!).
- dario
also: the guy is obviously oblivious of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and has no clue about what goes on in "the mainstream", say on Reddit, /. or that cesspool that are youtube comments. FF is pretty much a small, happy place with tea, pastries and fancy embroidered cushions compared to those.
- dario
Dude, TC deleted my (constructively thoughtful albeit critical) comment in the article thread --- and it keeps eating my attempts to repost. wtf?!...
- Thom Kennon
Thom: Arrington did the same thing to me. Welcome to the mob.
- Robert Scoble
Ken Camp - I agree completely with your post - this whole thread went from a discussion on Mobfeed and into something similar to a 1990 BBS rant
- Kathleen Forden
This is really getting to be ridiculous. Arrington admits that people can be nasty at Twitter and other places, but says FriendFeed is worse, basically because all comments can be seen in one place. Blame FF? Why don't we start with blaming TechCrunch, because a lot of people started out disliking him due to what he writes there. I suspect that if Arrington didn't delete so much of what was posted there, we'd see a REAL mob.
- MiniMage
Dario: If Arrington's blog post heightened your emotional state, then his mission was accomplished. If you clicked the link to Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If you commented on Arrington's blog, then his mission was accomplished. If Robert Scoble started a thread on FriendFeed about Arrington's blog post, then his mission was accomplished. If we are still...
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- Mark Davidson
Mark: that was my point, actually (sorry it didn't come through too well) - basically if you go prodding a hive with a stick sometimes you get stung - it doesn't reflect too well on you if you get all uppity afterwards. So, I agree with you 100% on the manipulative part.
- dario
The same thing happens on Digg, and it's been around for years. It's not a problem with the service(s), it's a cultural problem. We've all been desensitized to some level or another, some extremely.
- Blake
Dario: Don't feel bad. I got caught up in it too. It's human behavior. As human beings, we respond to stimuli. When executed properly, we just can't help ourselves. Our emotions get stirred, we take action in the form of a response, we become engaged because we've invested emotional energy, we talk amongst ourselves, etc. Politicians, public speakers, bloggers, television and radio...
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- Mark Davidson
What a bunch of echo chamber nonsense.
- Jason Nunnelley
Matthew, I just expanded my opinion on Mike's post (linked by Scoble). I think it's calculated drama. Either that or really, really silly. I'm giving everyone the benefit of doubt here and assigning more intelligence than the latter opinion would allow.
- Jason Nunnelley
Why would anyone take anything that Arrington writes seriously after his complete bullshit stories about Last.fm - which had real, economic consequences for the company, and which are still being repeated as if they were true by people around the web? He's perfectly happy to whip up the mob when it suits him, but when it bites him back he suddenly becomes Mr Socially Concerned.
- Ian Betteridge
How many times was Arrington's name mentioned in this post, thus reinforcing his brand through repetition? How many people reading his name were in an emotionally heightened state? Hmmm. lol.
- Mark Davidson
When someone comes into your house and poops on your coffee table, it's a bit difficult to look at it rationally and ask what the merits of such an act was.
- Steven Perez
He actually removed my comment. No kidding. I didn't wish him ill, suggest he should died or anything of that nature. I just made a coherent and short comment about his tactic with as bland a set of language as possible. Wimp.
- Jason Nunnelley
THIS is why i fucking hate FF. "Read his anti-FriendFeed rant here" WHERE? damn it, friend feed always makes a monkey out of me. where's arrington's rant? i dunno. i'll seach for arrington's account and see if i can find it. i'll prolly be back in five minutes to say "oh, i'm so stupid... i found it at [INSERT FUCKING URL HERE]" thanks for exposing my FF ineptitude, Scoble.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: it's the first comment on this thread. It's a link. Then come back here to read the 200 comments.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I've used this device hundreds of times. Most people figure it out pretty quickly.
- Robert Scoble
He hasn't deleted mine yet
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Comment removal is standard practice at TechCrunch, and it really doesn't matter if the comments are polite. He'll leave a few counter-comments in (enough so it's not obvious he's blocking counter-opinions) and delete the rest. Perhaps his lack of control of the conversation is why he doesn't like FriendFeed much.
- Ian Betteridge
All I said was that he should thank Scoble for the link, but he shouldn't be surprised if these tactics result in trollish drama queens following his work only to bring a teen girl styled smack down to his next slumber party. It wasn't even that caustic, definitely not "mob" language.
- Jason Nunnelley
Matthew: he's probably deleting all comments he perceives as being from the "MobFeed." I think it's funny. Mike once told me he's an entertainer, and this is evidence of that.
- Robert Scoble
aha http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... got it ... second comment actually. i agree with jason calicanis ... you need a freaking masters degree to work friend feed. thanks, Robert, BTW .. the url gets shortened, so even though the title of the article is in that URL, one doesn't see it when scanning the comments.
- Mark Hartwell
Mark: no, it's the first comment. The first line are people who clicked "like" on this item.
- Robert Scoble
The problem, though, is that Arrington is an "entertainer" with the power to seriously hurt companies and careers in the web industry. And he does it, too.
- Ian Betteridge
So, he deletes my comment about participating in adult conversation and leaves the guy's comment that calls him a douche? Mature. I'm starting to withdraw my prior benefit of doubt.
- Jason Nunnelley
Ian: he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink. I've had Valleywag and Techcrunch aimed at me before and it never hurts.
- Robert Scoble
To be totally fair, i dont think it is that bad. We have had quite a few articles on Techcrunch and on on a whole they seem to be a nice bunch, very accomodating and understanding.
- Paul Rawlings
Although it is unpleasant to go through.
- Robert Scoble
I thought it was quite a funny read, I don't think I can take it seriously... it is almost as if someone spat in his face or something.
- Paul Kinlan
Robert, he can't hurt me - but think of Last.fm, whose reputation was hurt and which lost subscribers because of a completely false series of articles that Arrington posted. And he's never really acknowledged that he got it totally wrong, preferring to hint that "there's no smoke without fire". That's what I mean about serious damage. He has the power of mainstream media, without the vaguest notion of a conscience.
- Ian Betteridge
FF interface: simple? perhaps. Intuitive? not so much. The FF fail is strong in me. (and scoble was right, the url IS in the first comment) what looked to me like the first comment was just a list of "likes" that's a Digg concept, right?
- Mark Hartwell
Ian: if Last.fm has value it will cruise right through a wrongful attack. I'm not saying it's right, or pleasant.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, Last.fm will survive - think of the man-hours it took dealing with the mess that Arrington created. A lot of time and effort went into cleaning up a mess that Arrington gleefully made. And again, no acknowledgement from him that he was in the wrong.
- Ian Betteridge
Matthew: stay nice. It's not that easy sometimes for newbies.
- Robert Scoble
Matt, your comment on Arrington's post is funny dude. I give it ten minutes :)
- Jason Nunnelley
I just read this entire post. I'm so sorry I wasted my time. Maybe we should ban the use of cell phones and IM just in case. Like FriendFeed, they also make it too easy to talk to people.
- Rahsheen?
on such a beautiful sunday, how on earth could anybody be paying attention to arrington's opinion - he is a self serving dolt...
- mike "glemak" dunn
ok, i've read arrington's post. and most of this thread. the syphilis analogy was probably just something that mike has been wanting to paste and share since he read that book. the laporte / arrington "war" lasted all of 10 minutes. what that exchange DID expose was a lot of pent up anti-arrington hate. why do so many people think arrington is an asshole? simple, he IS an asshole. if i...
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- Mark Hartwell
ok Robert If you are going to remove mike's comment couldn't you at least remove my reply to him also? Now it stands out like a sore thumb of dumbness in a sea of irrelevance. :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Rasmus I haven't removed any replies on this thread!
- Robert Scoble
yay then he removed it himself. Mission accomplished :-)
- Rasmus Lauridsen
who cares.
- Stalyn☂
Glad to know you know me so well @Zudfunck, So I'm a "spoiled intellectual" from California... Not a 29 year old college dropout living in Randers, Denmark? Wow you know me so well almost better than I know myself. Thanks for the generalization, it totally helped my mood :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
What an odd post - I like Arrington, but it's posts like this that make him come off as a bully. The mob boss?
- Jesse Stay
Robert: "Nice mob you got here" ~ Kevin Costner in Wyatt Earp
- Sean E Brown
I think Mike is paranoid one of those startups he loves to put in the deadpool want HIM in the deadpool :p
- Mark
A salad? You see this is the Kevin Rose effect. All the young kids up and coming in tech are all skinny, and they rock climb, and drink fashionable teas from around the world. No more fat techies with these guys in charge. Crap.
- Mark
@mark dammit I need to work out then, thanks for not sending me that memo before now! :-P
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Lost me when he got to the pustules part.
- Oldengrey (Jay)
from fftogo
Mike Arrington's is not on the global radar, so his rant is useless. There are major social media shifts in developing countries, violent regime crack-downs, and tech developments leading human dignity campaigns.
- E-Advocate Network
Yawn, change a few words and it could be used by any class with power, religious, political. IE. Admin blog power, Green Dam, RIAA, Tehran, Bush. Read/Write culture is showing tremendous growth. There is no one person, power, group or nation that can change any of it. Call it Mob call it anything you want, but for 99.99999999999% of the population. His rant is a YAWN. It will change nothing and have no effect not now or ever. There is nothing to fear here move on.
- Robert Higgins
The biggest problem with Mike Arrington and MG Siegler's arguments is they only seeing this problem because of their position. I've said some pretty fierce, opinionated things on FriendFeed, Twitter, and elsewhere, but I'm not fearing for my life. Nor would I in the near future. Even though we're not anonymous on FriendFeed or Twitter, it doesn't matter for most because we're anonymous enough to where enough people are going to care enough to do something to us.
- Jared Mehle
+1 SpragueD, the difference being Ann Coulter has a pair of *cojones.* she wouldn't need months of seclusion and grief counseling after someone spat on her.
- Karim
Karim: I am no longer speaking at any TechCrunch event, according to an email I just received. Just so we can clear that part up of the conversation above.
- Robert Scoble
What a bone head move by TC.
- Mark
Sorry, I don't join mobs.
- xero
Matthew: I don't know, but he clearly was not happy with something I said above.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Mike considers Robert the leader of the FF movement for some odd reason. Cult leader. He evangelises the service so he must be the one getting people to threaten Mike, right.
- Mark
Matthew: it might have been a comment he deleted over on TechCrunch too. I don't know. I'll talk with him when he's calmer and see what got him to use that stick on my legs.
- Robert Scoble
Don't think so. We have work to do to get alot of the big twitter users over here.
- Mark
Friendfeed is ours. We own it, not the celebs who own twitter more and more :/ FF is for the geeks.
- Mark
@Jason: http://friendfeed.com/wilw
- MikeAmundsen
Robert... he *disinvited* you to London? lol. petty. perhaps not unexpected though, given his penchant for drama. http://dramabutton.com in the movies they call it a "plot point."
- Karim
Send him one of these, Robert: http://saydrah.files.wordpress.com/2008...
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Karim: I'm going to London, just not going to speak at any TechCrunch event I guess. I'm going as part of http://www.travelinggeeks.com
- Robert Scoble
©Scoble, you said, "...he only can hurt you if you let him. If your marketing campaign relies on TechCrunch then your marketing campaign is bad and needs a major rethink." According to a rep from a huge tech corporation, even an unknown blogger can damage a company's ability to sell a product. When I asked for permission to review a new device, the response I received conveyed this warning. I never wrote the review. I'm not sure I ever wrote any others.
- MiniMage
MiniMage: yes, any random person can hurt you, but only if that pain resonates with others. If you have a great product or service, it will go on. Look at Apple.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: where did you read that?
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: Arrington isn't in charge of http://www.travelinggeeks.com so he can't pull my ticket from London. He can, however, keep me out of TechCrunch events.
- Robert Scoble
I'll read this thread, but why is Mike angry with you, Robert?
- Stephen Pickering
Stephen: I don't know. I guess he feels I turned the mob against him. Or something I did over on his blog bugged him (he deleted a comment where I wondered whether his attacks on FriendFeed were driven by his inclusion on the Twitter Suggested User List, which delivered to him $250,000 of value and that he never discloses when he talks about social networking). Funny if it's that because it's pretty much the same thing that he did to Leo Laporte that pissed off Leo so much.
- Robert Scoble
Yeah, I was just thinking that's what Leo should have shot back with, and I was just thinking the same thing about the SUL and how dramatically that's a bigger deal to affect their coverage of Twitter than Leo's getting a pre for a week. I'll try to start being just positive like you suggested earlier, but it makes me wonder if TechCrunch got as many @replies attacking them as Mike...
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- Stephen Pickering
I thought friendfeed was the "coolest app nobody uses"... now we're the mob ;) guess we're moving up in the world guys.
- Frankie Warren
lol Matthew -- no, the "Burn Notice" intro goes like this: http://www.hulu.com/watch... My name is Robert Scoble. I used to be a social media expert. Until... [VOICE ON PHONE: "Arrington put out a burn notice on you. You're blacklisted."]
- Karim
LEAVE MIKE ARRINGTON ALONE!!! *cries*
- Alejandro
If this has already been posted, I apologize, but the bad side of a mob can be seen here: http://hashtags.org/tag... When a twitter / ff user says he's going to commit suicide and a bunch of people encourage him to do so.... Not a good example of the "mob."
- Ben Hanten
Ben: so, a bunch of Twitter users flash a stupid hashtag, it shows up here on FF as being ported from Twitter (http://friendfeed.com/search... - note the point of origin and how many users here actually used that tag), and somehow that's the mob that Arrington is talking about?
- Steven Perez
I agree with Mike too, except for the syphilis comparison (could have used a better analogy).. Emotions + Real-Time communication with the rest of the world can blow matters out of proportions very quickly, and especially so when not everyone reads all 286++ comments..
- Winston Teo
Winston: the problem I have with is with the equating "social media" with "FriendFeed", Seriously, this place is worse than, say, 4chan? Or Digg? Or Stormfront? Really?
- Steven Perez
Because Arrington didn't note this as a general problem. He specifically targeted FriendFeed over some of the worst social media sites out there. For that reason alone, his article is laughable.
- Steven Perez
@steven Yup, I would say it's not only about FF. But his "theory" makes sense in a general way, IMO.
- Winston Teo
Well, welcome to 1997, Winston. Because "mob mentality" has manifested itself since comic book nerds were flaming each other on USENET over whether Hal Jordan or Kyle Rainer was the better Green Lantern. If general assholery was the issue, then not only did Arrington's point hit wildly off the mark, it didn't even land on the same planet. I've been here for a year, and while people do...
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- Steven Perez
Not enough page hits, or not enough fans to drown out the dissenting voices. Arrington et al can hide in their imaginary utopian internet hangouts (as if they exist) and shut out everyone who dares to suggest they're wrong, but they need to stop attacking FriendFeed. It's not the cesspool they pretend it is.
- MiniMage
My take is that Arrington doesn't like FF because he can't control what goes on here or what is said about him here. He can't delete the comments on threads (unless they are his own), like he can on his own web site.
- Jeff P. Henderson
@Clark heck, "threads" on Twitter are so disorganized that you can barely call them that. *grin* (I realize some of the desktop apps make them easier to review, but still.)
- Ken Kennedy
Mr. Arrington has a good point there: aggregating opinions and discussion indeed create online mob. We just saw it in many real examples.
- darwin|1q84
it is always easier to lead a mob than a person.
- darwin|1q84
I concur, darwin|1q84, especially when no one moment can be the whole truth. Mobs form quickly and often without the *whole* story. real-time, while useful in many contexts as Louis pointed out, can lead to a quick-time mob mentality that gets out of control fast. Great discussion. Brings up a lot of things.
- thinfilms
Surprise surprise, Arrington deleted my comment on his thread. As I said above, he really doesn't like it if people disagree with him in "his own territory", does he?
- Ian Betteridge
I'm not sure where Mike Arrington was back in the late 90's, but I was smack dab in the middle of a vibrant CNN online community where discussions happened in real time with real names and yeah, there were mobs around certain issues. Anything to do with the Middle East, or Bill Clinton was guaranteed to be a 24/7 shift for the elves who scrubbed the spam and the flames. This isn't new. It's been around since the cave man days. It's only a question of how it's manifest.
- Karoli
LOL of my comments over there he removed the one where I argued against Sean MacDhai for calling Michael a Douche. Guess he just wants to continue being the victim. I actually liked MA's stuff and enjoyed the turds he threw out sometimes. But deleting comments supporting him so he can just look more like a victim is low... Guess I'm gone from there.. His comment moderation makes it impossible to carry on a conversation, self serving as it is...
- Rasmus Lauridsen
the bully pulpit worked. against the bully.
- Rick Cogley
Having stepped back and thought about it, I think that there's a serious point struggling to get out of Arrington's post. He's choosing to blame tools like FriendFeed for people being vitriolic, but real-time tools - like any tool - don't make people do anything. People *choose* to be vitriolic: it's part of their make up, their culture, their approach to life. The problem that I have...
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- Ian Betteridge
The fact that Mike is deleting comments that don't suit his needs and banned Robert S from Tech crunch events tends to prove my suspicion, and this is about control. He doesn't control the Ff conversation and that's what bothers him.
- Kim Landwehr
from BuddyFeed
It strikes me that Friendfeed tends to fuel invective out of partisanship or loyalty because threads like this one and the TWIT episode thread attract groupies. The bile comes from what the spewers must see as the most noble of motives -- sticking up for their Friend.
- Amyloo
the best analogy for friendfeed he could come up with was syphilis? Yeah that's not link bait. I'm sure the guys at friendfeed are just thrilled with Mike today.
- timepilot
I think Mike got used to shouting fire in a theater and he is now upset that the theater goers are organized and calling him on it. give me a break
- timepilot
Discussion of these questions is welcome with the understanding that the dialogue is invigorating.
- Mike Chelen
Kevin: the praise for twitter is that it is less effective for communication, friendfeed should be thankful for the nice compliment ;)
- Mike Chelen
Andrew Terry: the post actually is much more insightful if taken to apply more generally, however it does single out friendfeed as somehow qualitatively worse than blogs or twitter :D
- Mike Chelen
It is rather silly that FF's supposed Achilles heel is that it's too effective at bringing crowds together. Mike's unspoken counterpoint benefit to Twitter is that megaphone-style broadcasting is still possible without too much interruption from the public.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I prefer twitter because individuals are individuals on twitter and there is nothing meaningful to say in thirty seconds in a flame war or a thread with 322 replies
- Michele Costabile
We could certainly use some threading options in the comments UI, maybe even some upvoting and other dynamic resorting. These big threads tend to buckle under their own weight.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel, I like time sequencing on big threads. I'd like to see simpler respond identifiers so when someone says "Jason," I know which of us billion or so Jasons he's talking to. I much prefer this to seeing comments floating around based on up and down votes.
- Jason Nunnelley
I did throw in the qualifier "optional" to my feature suggestion. I guess y'all's vote cancels out mine :P (http://www.theonion.com/content...)
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel, welcome to the democratic process. Facts and logic need not participate ;)
- Jason Nunnelley
Michele: individuals can be seen clearly in friendfeed once familiar with the interface, and followed or unfollowed similar to twitter
- Mike Chelen
Guys, Mike should remove the post from Techcrunch or else we will start a group to protest against him
- Michael_techie
Guys, please join this group http://friendfeed.com/hate-mi... to protest against Michael Arrington
- Michael_techie
You created a group called "Hate Mike Arrington?" Wow.
- Mark
Yep, we should show how big is Friendfeed
- Michael_techie
Um, no.
- Steven Perez
from IM
Sorry @Michael_techie that's a fail. I think its time to move on and think about more positive stuff. It's 22 hours since @scobleizer started this thread, its like years in realtime web. Seas have already flowed under the proverbial bridge on this one.
- Rasmus Lauridsen
Yes, you won't see threads like this any more. Scoble wants more positive threads and is trying to make up with Mike Arrington who has denounced their friendship after several years.
- Mark
@Matthew hey we should pile up this conversation in separate room
- Michael_techie
@matthew Are you promoting Michael arrington
- Michael_techie
As a FF user, It really hurts when some one call us as mob
- Michael_techie
@matthew, He shouldn't call the whole FF users as mob, coz he got some hatred messages
- Michael_techie
Black Sabbath said it best: When you listen to fools, the mob rules.
- Andy Dustman
How to make iPhone videos sparkle with iMovie (via feedly) - http://www.tuaw.com/2009...
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You can sync the videos via USB and iPhoto - then just drag them from iPhoto onto your desktop.
- Jesse Stay
RT @SNCR Nonprofits lead the way in social media adoption according to new study - see the details here: http://www.prweb.com/release...
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Reading: "Five Lessons Entrepreneurs Can Learn From Craig Barrett" ( http://gigaom.com/2009... ).
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My mind map for today's talk to CIOs. What else should I add? Keep in mind got 30 minutes. Dicuss here please:
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In the room are CIOs from Home Depot, Pepsi, Johnson and Johnson, Prudential, Bechtel, etc.
- Robert Scoble
Also see here: http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... for a discussion that we did earlier about what I should tell CIOs.
- Robert Scoble
Theme of my talk is "the 2010 Web."
- Robert Scoble
I don't see XMIND :)
- Tim McDougall
Because of time constraints I'm trying to NOT be comprehensive, but just give a taste of the best of the tech industry innovation lately and what it could mean to their businesses.
- Robert Scoble
ask them how they are measuring all this stuff.
- Brian Watkins
Brian: will do, but in many ways we are too early for measuring. I bet they haven't even heard of a lot of this stuff.
- Robert Scoble
Nice, you popped in Atlassian and Socialtext, good call. Mint though? Bit early isn't it? >> http://www.bloomberg.com/apps...
- Nick Wade
I mean, how many CIOs do you see here on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Are ou going to mention backtype or ubervu in the community section?
- dthree
fun stats on why collaboration: http://tinyurl.com/ch83jy
- Carrie Krinock
Nick: that's probably true, but they signed up a million people so are an example of a consumer service that's done well.
- Robert Scoble
David: I might mention them, but I'm not trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
I think open standards need a mention since Microformats is now even supported by Google. Automating to extract information from structured data brings great opportunities.
- Burcu Dogan
Analytics
- George Dearing
Scoble: I think you have to have Twitter, they all know it but it has to be there, it is a platform that engages and ties with a lot of what is in your talk
- Lou Paglia
Mobile is way under-emphasized... I think that's gonna start getting bigger and bigger and bigger...
- Joel Haasnoot
Joel: I agree, I could spend 16 hours just on mobile. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert: fair comment re Mint.
- Nick Wade
++Joel completely agree. mobile is bigger than ever now and 2010
- Lou Paglia
Have you added calibration tools for product demos and training ?
- William Lopez
William: no, what kind of tools are you thinking of?
- Robert Scoble
Have fun, remember most people hate sitting in their seats more than 20 minutes, make they get up and down a little. Ask one of them to come up and do pushups.
- Halley Suitt
Halley: um, I'm not THAT brave! :-)
- Robert Scoble
ome emphasis on Web Services - and agree on the Mobile detail required!
- Manoj Menon
Just don't let them challenge YOU to a push-up battle ... no fun, even for me.
- Halley Suitt
could have major topic not about tools but "paradigm shifts", the breakdown of the walls between the enterprise and the rest of the web, 2010 CIOs will contend more than ever with not being able to put four walls around their corporate constituents
- Lou Paglia
I underplay mobile because I could spend hours on just that. Heheh. I have 30 minutes.
- Robert Scoble
Lou: absolutely! That will be a subtext to everything.
- Robert Scoble
Hmm, but mobile is moving more and more to tailor-made-mobile, not just a bare bones version of the website: maybe that's a paradigm shift you could mention.
- Joel Haasnoot
If CIO's aren't careful, paradigm shifts become paradigm shafts, as they take a sudden beating in a marketplace.
- Halley Suitt
there is the issue of "mixed discovery" I am missing; a ping pong of subjects and peoples when you use twitter e.g.; you go from @person to #issue to @ person etc ... - that is a new kind of serendipity; could be used to have new ideas about marketing
- Willi Schroll
You forgot to show the Oprah-fication of any modern technology.
- Pete Barry
I am missing the integration bit ... not sure it really exists yet. The problem is that this is way too many tools for any one company. so possibly just a missing item.
- Oliver Thylmann
@halley they can either be part of the movement and coach their organizations through the changes as a thought leader or many can continue to try to put up "sand bags" and there is where the your term, shaft, will come.
- Lou Paglia
What about Hulu under video? For me it's an important piece. :)
- James Furlo
James: good catch.
- Robert Scoble
I just gave a similar talk here in LA yesterday. My take on it as a former CIO is how the consumer/general internet systems are tackling the problems that have plagued enterprise. From single sign on to data portability, transparency, collaboration and real time communication. They need to start looking at these systems as the model for the new enterprise in 2010 and beyond.
- Jerry Schuman
In cloud, what about development availability, S3, EC2, gist, gnip, the glue movement, shared data center and server resources (there's your Rackspace plug)
- Lou Paglia
Boxee might be a good topic as they are trying to make it a media player with a social web component.
- dthree
Lou: that's another area I underplayed on purpose because I could spend an hour there. Personally it'll lead us down a rathole and keep us from talking about the bigger trends. If they start deploying anything new they'll need hosting and we'll be involved in the conversation then.
- Robert Scoble
David: Boxee is a good one to discuss.
- Robert Scoble
an overall theme is the shift in technology moving consumer to enterprise rather than the other way around. For companies its more important than ever to look at what startups/small biz are doing vs thinking "they'll be using my big system in 5 years".
- William Kapes
Should Boxee really be on a CIO's radar at this point, is convergence of web with the digital home even part of the CIO conversation, should it be?
- Lou Paglia
Sometimes I wonder if CIO's really grok the way the folks they support WORK day to day. Sometimes we're at home w/a crying baby, sometimes on the road w/customers, sometimes in the office. As a sales marketing geek for years, I always wanted to scream, "Hey guys, I'm in a rental car on a frigging windy road north of Portland in a thunderstorm trying to connect to the system to get the new pricing sheet, do you GET my life? Help me out here!"
- Halley Suitt
Are you using MindManager for your mindmaps, Robert?
- Rohit
Lou: good point, gotta stay focused a BIT on business, but the changes in TV do have implications. I just was at Adobe and they are enabling 1080p high def to both browsers and TV.
- Robert Scoble
Rohit: yes, this is done with MindManager.
- Robert Scoble
The ideas behind technologies like Wolfram|Alpha and Hunch
- Mike Smith
Robert - Here's a Mindmeister Mind Map that I've been working on here and there for some time now - I don't have geolocation-centric sites listed, but otherwise, this is a handy look at the social-sphere: http://www.mindmeister.com/maps...
- Enrique Gutierrez
Mogulus in the live video section? And why not other sites, like BlipTV or others, for those who edit and upload higher quality videos that are shareable?
- Ken Kaplan
Since these are CIO's you can talk about how sometimes even "outlaw" technologies can find a place in the modern workplace. There are companies using BitTorrent to push out updates among sites, saves on bandwidth since it goes distributed. But I think the biggest focus of your talk, since its you :), should be the influence of the social and real-time web and its impact. Again, your strength and you've only got 30 mins
- William Kapes
@Lou Paglia, got that right.
- Halley Suitt
Ken: good point. I love Blip. But again I wasn't trying to be comprehensive.
- Robert Scoble
topline think this may be too granular for most CIOs - this group is broad predictions for the path + a few examples. Functionally expand microblogging add Twitter then let niche apps flow from there.
- Carol Lynn Martens
Doesn't LinkedIn apply. There is a lot of professional interaction and the Answers section for mentoring.
- Alan Eggleston
CIOs are going to be most interested in security, and not necessarily hampering the discussion (some will), but rather how they can track what people are saying within the company, and how they can better train those that use social media in the company. At least that was my experience speaking to a similar group of CIOs in Dallas last year.
- Jesse Stay
Alan: I was on purpose leaving out older social networks like Linked In, Twitter, and Facebook. I want to focus on what's disruptive.
- Robert Scoble
not sure if this was asked above...but will there be a video of this, Robert?
- Carlos Ayala
Carlos, nope, sorry. Usually with a small intimate group (only about 20) they want to have off the record conversations.
- Robert Scoble
Unless I missed something there may be a gap in terms of viral video (YouTube, etc), shared image hosting and slideshows, and even presentation sharing (SlideShare, AuthorSTREAM)--with literacy and attention spans down these become key communication components IMHO on two levels -- ease of use (post once link anywhere) and ability to comment and rate to build communities of passion.
- Tom Bunzel
Quick question robert: which programs do you use on your mac and iphone to access friendfeed?
- Rohit
Where is Vimeo?.. Hulu..?
- Oguz Serdar
What about Evernote in the "Cloud and Collaboration" topic? It's ubiquitous... web, desktop, iPhone, Blackberry, etc.
- Kurt Rosenkranz
Roger that Robert, understood. Thanks.
- Carlos Ayala
Azure, App Engine, Rack Space Cloud, Amazon EC3, etc... Something had to run all those things in your mind map.
- Jeff Weber
Google Apps under both Office and Collaboration
- Scott McMullan
You can tell them: because of the "cloud" most of them won't have a job in 2 years, because of social-realtime web, most of their businesses won't make it through the depression
- Tweet Feeds
I know you're trying to keep the map slim, but: Google Voice, drop.io, and the mention of Evernote on iphone - the snapnote feature (mobile image capture/upload + OCR + desktop, web/feed access).
- Micah
Say hi you are on screen
- Robert Scoble
Hi CIOs!
- Jesse Stay
Hi everbody.
- dthree
Jesse the CIO of your church says hi!
- Robert Scoble
hi everyone
- Brian Watkins
Robert tell Joel I said hi back - you two should do lunch some time and have him show you some of the stuff they're doing.
- Jesse Stay
Hope you guys blocked out a few hours of your time. Robert kind of talks a lot.
- Jerry Schuman
Hi CIOs, the smarts are moving to the edges of the organization so dust off your resumes, your roles are obsolete
- Tweet Feeds
I think there will be more mixture between real life and online life. Sharing identities & connections will be as common as exchanging business cards right now. And, I predict, you will be tagging real-life objects with your phone (or your My name is E connector) to put them as favorites online. Or to ask for a product sample with one simple motion (thanks to nfc and rfid). So, 'sharing identities / mixing real and virtual' deserves some attention... Good luck!
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
Hi from the Netherlands. Just to point out you need more focus in your MindMap on international collaboration tools :)
- Rene de Vries
Robert, perhaps touch on how they plan to serve the business / marketing side more effectively? Maximize available man hours, evolve prioritization criteria, etc.
- Jeff
Oh. And great to see Wakoopa on the list there. 'You are what you use' is a pretty powerful social indicator.
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
How about adding VMware under Cloud and Communities.
- Shobhana
@Home Depot: I'm no Luddite, but I did not at all like the automated checkouts at first. Now I'm coming around - last week had the quickest turn-around shopping experience at a hardward store that I can remember. Sorry, back on topic now :)
- Micah
i would add geezeo next to mint and perhaps txtblaster next to tatango
- Allen Stern
Live mesh,live office for collaboration.
- Ashish
Nice job, Robert. $1 to first CIO (other than me) from that room who responds to this message. :)
- Joel Dehlin
Joel you're one of the *only* CIOs I know that uses FriendFeed. You've been using it for over a year now I think, haven't you?
- Jesse Stay
from email
Jesse: I think there may be a few other ones onto friendfeed, but I think I might have shocked them with a look at my real time feed. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Joel, nice meeting you, I'll find out the answer to your question. Can you follow me here on friendfeed so I can DM you?
- Robert Scoble
Don't forget about Dropbox under "cloud and collaboration". One of my favorite tools by far.
- Brandon Titus
Under Consumer, I would add a major value and coupon site like RedPlum.com personally as companies like Home Depot and Pepsi can relate to this.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@scobleizer Awesome mindmap. Why does youtube not make the map under video?
- Kevin Murray
perty, good job much better than a power p prezzo
- sofarsoShawn ~presque...
Kevin: now that I've given a speech I need to go through and make it much more complete. For the speech I was going for disruptive stuff that was changing right now and that would jog my memory. As it was we didn't get through the complete list. 30 minutes flies by.
- Robert Scoble
like that I could read your mindmap on my iphone - funny though when I saw web 2010 I thought - ah robert is providing a glimpse of the future to disconnected cio's - then realized that's a little over 7 months away - wow time flies :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
mike: and keep in mind that the car industry has changed the definition of a year anyway. I'm getting my 2010 Prius in a week or two.
- Robert Scoble
true
- mike "glemak" dunn
To adopt any of this nascent social media, there must be an almost immediate ROI. Otherwise, it's nothing more than an amusement.
- Don Bonaddio
D@mn Don! On the noesy!
- Arleen Boyd
Don: there is a lot of money in amusements. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
after reading this thread "better" - there have been many cto's on friendfeed for awhile now, different dna than cio's - justsayn :-p
- mike "glemak" dunn
you covered all that in 30mins? Or was this the handout.
- Ryan Stanley
Ryan: we got to one or two nodes. Heheh. I don't do handouts.
- Robert Scoble
You forgot Aviary.
- Mike Shields
Oh, and we should probably discuss it instead :)
- Mike Shields
Did you find most of your audience were already Web 2.0 savvy?
- Ryan Stanley
BBC iPlayer?
- Rupert Watson
ROI - Robert - is there a slide that tells them why? Jack Welch would tell you that if you are not measuring this you are not managing it. The only way to persuade grey beards like me is to show them why it is worthwhile otherwise in this climate more than any other time - experiments for the sake of just learning and playing will get short shrift.
- Simon Rogers
Scobes: thanks for the reply on the youtube q. your mindmap is my new "must understand" check list. thanks again for all your contribution.
- Kevin Murray
What about integrating home - all the appliance at home if we can control it from the net. .....security has too be very good.
- anamika
I'm curious as to how the CIO of Home Depot responded. Being a B&M hardware store, they aren't very big on Tech (ask me about using and deploying Office 97 in 2004 *shudder*). When I was there, there was lots of energy going in to SAP and other ERP related products/projects but not much energy going into making sure employees could use those tools. I digress...so how did it go?
- EricaJoy
EricaJoy: I don't remember a specific response from him. There was some of the usual pushback about why I would share so much of my life online. Other than that I was impressed that they were very literate on the topics and services I showed.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't see sync and version control products on your mind map. I think they are getting important for information management.
- Arvind
any chance you'd post final draft - maybe in original form (not pdf/jpg?) also - camtasia recording of presentation could be fun
- Courtney Engle
Don't see SlideShare it'd be handy under Collaboration and if not on this presentation perhaps on one with a focus on the next stage or under implementation strategies.
- James Stratford
open web identity: add Firefox (with 200+ downloads...); Jammer is spelled Yammer; add AWS at cloud services; I would definitely move Ning to 'community' (it is also realtime; but first of all it is the most important community building platform; very popular in the Netherlands); Google Apps for collaboration
- Jeroen De Miranda
Robert, if you have time to answer quickly, are you using the Mac or Windows version or both?
- Gregg Morris
Gregg Windows version
- Robert Scoble
i am late for this but, i wud also add twine and streamy..not sure where though. i thought i saw analytics up there...definitely a must. also really confused as to how evernote helps brands connect with consumers.
- Freddie Benjamin
Chet: nope, sorry.
- Robert Scoble
just saw you have the apps room in there, did you get a few words in about it?
- Zee.
Zee: we talked about friendfeed but I don't think we spoke specifically about that room.
- Robert Scoble
You left out Search, Commerce, Mobile - no? All of these are critical business drivers, platforms, customer channels. All are shifting, seismically under their enterprise feet.
- Thom Kennon
Wolfram|Alpha
- Andrew Eglinton
Re: Facebook Just Landed in Seesmic Desktop - http://www.loiclemeur.com/english...
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- Loic Le Meur
Tinker Away, Facebook Says - http://www.nytimes.com/glogin...
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- Robert Scoble
They are right, infrastructures live forever, applications die (originaly was protocols live forever, operating systems die - John Gage) Think about it: FTP comes from 1972. The apis of the social Internet and the message storage are going to be an interesting asset in the future.
- Michele Costabile
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