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Amazing interactive 360-degree panoramic view of the entire night sky | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/science...
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"A new magnificent 800-million-pixel panorama of the entire sky has been unveiled online today. It was stitched together from 1,200 photos by astronomers at the European Southern Observatory from viewing sites in Chile."
- Benjamin Golub
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wow!
- Chris Myles
Oh wow. Totally resharing this, thx!
- Ayşe E.
You're not going to see anything like this in the Northern Hemisphere. This is only the night sky for those south of the equator. But it is cool.
- Nina Jansen
WOW!
- Susan Beebe
LOVE it!!
- Roshan Ramachandran
hmmm didn't supply a link in the article! Ahh its the Daily Mail, to explain to non-UK-ites, the Daily Mail is the UK equivalent of Fox News.
- Toby Graham
http://www.gigagalaxyzoom.org/ for the full thing.
- Otto
Also: High res download here: http://videos.spacetelescope.org/gigagal... (25MB). All images are better when used as desktop wallpaper.
- Otto
wow thats huge! 800 megapixels...
- Matt Ellsworth
Truly beautiful! Makes earthlings so small!
- Cool Wired
wow it's beautiful.
- Benjo Castillo
Dead people shouldn't have copyrights...it's stupid.
John E. Bredehoft, Stephen Edgar, Jason Nelson and 71 other people liked this
Dead people don't their estate does.
- Chris Greene
Yeah, that argument makes it less stupid? Not.
- Alex Scoble
+Chris. Or companies which may have invested in the intellectual property.
- τorƍue
@Alex - Sure it does. Tolkein's kids have a right to everything their parents left them.
- Chris Greene
Copyrights is like an inheritance to the kids, but rather than estates being given, they are giving their intellectual property.
- Wizetux
Alex, I agree with the sentiment, but if a copyright is invalidated upon death, then a sufficiently valuable copyright would provide incentive to off the owner. :P
- Tanath
Like hell they don't...They have a right to the money/property he bequeathed them at death, not to keep on making money based on his works. That's not how copyright is supposed to work. It's supposed to grant a limited time for which a creator can recoup the costs of their work. It's not supposed to transfer to their children and to their children's children. It should be a lot closer to the patent system.
- Alex Scoble
I think it's stupid that copyrights last much longer than the average human lifespan. I think it actually does a lot of hamper innovation.
- Victor Ganata
Why are patents for 17 years but copyrights are effectively without end? It's stupid, that's why. It's all so Disney can continue to make money off of Mickey Mouse without coming out with new content.
- Alex Scoble
The patent system is borked too...
- Tanath
@Alex -According to you argument intelliectual property shouldn't be transferred. If that's the case, then why does a company get to maintain ownership of IP after the creator passes?
- Chris Greene
Because they bought off Congress.
- Alex Scoble
@Alex - Adding to that, then if the company is passed on to realatives they no longer own that IP?
- Chris Greene
LOL, blunt & to the point. :)
- Tanath
@Alex: copyrights have an end: in the US it is 70 years after the death of the creator.
- Wizetux
@Alex - So a company is not property then?
- Chris Greene
That would certainly provide incentive to innovate...
- Tanath
The whole point of the patent/copyright systems are to spur innovation and the creation of new works. The current system actually runs counter to this goal. And no, copyright is not property.
- Alex Scoble
I didn't say copyright, I said a company
- Chris Greene
copyright is a system of revenue for work created.
- Wizetux
I don't care about companies. This conversation isn't about companies, it's about copyrights. All arguments that don't deal with copyright, but with other ideas other than copyright and patents will be ignored by me.
- Alex Scoble
By the way, a company's copyrights now last for 95 years.
- Alex Scoble
It is. I asked if a companies IP (and copyright) is transferrable once the originator dies. As such, is the company transferrable?
- Chris Greene
Wouldn't copyrights force people to not copy off others work, and come up with something of their own? I don't get how they inhibit innovation/creation.
- Heather
The original U.S. Copyright Act granted rights for 14 years with a 14 year extension. Now it's 70 years after the author dies, or if it's a work-for-hire, 95 years after publication, or 120 years after creation.
- Victor Ganata
But it would force creators to come up with new stuff every few decades, instead of milking their one good idea for the rest of their life. The current system encourages mediocrity. We shouldn't be surprised that that's what we get.
- Victor Ganata
Patents do stifle innovation: http://www.physorg.com/news167... I think the argument generalizes to copyright as well.
- Tanath
Heather: If you and someone else are both offering the same service/product, which one are people likely to choose? Without the copyright/patents, it forces competitive innovation on everything, including existing products & services.
- Tanath
I think it's perfectly acceptable for my estate to retain my copyrights after I die. I will be explicit in my will what I want to happen to them. Just because I'm dead doesn't mean they stop being mine.
- Lindsey is Fierce!
Alex, what have you done to try to change the Constitution?
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Copyright law isn't spelled out in the Constitution. :) And I've done plenty posts about it here on friendfeed :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
So I come up with a great book and publish it a month before I die and never personally benefit from its greatness. It's stupid that benefit can't go to my estate for a reasonable time.
- LogEx
Yes, copyright law has been mutated into something ugly, but that doesn't mean we should swing the pendulum all the way the other way. As usual, the right answer is somewhere in the middle.
- LogEx
Yeah...17 years should be the answer. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Oh and I wrote a letter to my state senators and my congressman to not pass the DMCA once...they just told me it was in my best interests...yeah right
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Lindsey: "Just because I'm dead doesn't mean they stop being mine." It kinda does, since you don't exist anymore...
- Tanath
IMHO I'd rather see lifetime+17 years instead of lifetime+70 years FWIW. Could still be inherited, but you wouldn't necessarily have a whole generation or two of people that make their living off their parent's work. And it would force businesses that owned IP to innovate instead of perpetually litigating over it.
- Glen Campbell, B.A.
Logical Extremes: Public policy is supposed to be about what benefits society, not individuals or companies & corporations.
- Tanath
I'd rather see a fixed period like how the patent system is. Problem is that big companies like Disney just pay off congresspeople to extend the rights.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm surprised that they haven't been able to do so with patents
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I always thought that an intellectual property, whether it is copyright or patent, should be moved permenantly into the public domain unless an effort to bring to market is displayed by the owner within a predetermined period of time( <5 years).
- Geoff Schultz
That would be a step in the right direction.
- Tanath
I'd like to see lifetime + 21 years or 70 years, whichever is greater. Maybe nudge it to 80 out of respect for expanding lifespans. Actually, my idea would be a fixed cap of, say, 20 or 40 years, but small steps, y'know?
- Roger Benningfield
The world isn't restricted to changing in small steps...
- Tanath
It's probably too much to ask that the pendulum go back to where it was originally, but at least the pendulum should start shifting in the other direction of decreasing duration. 120 years is a ridiculously long time.
- Victor Ganata
Alex: What do you think about eliminating copyright and/or patents?
- Tanath
I don't think that would be a good idea...I think that would have the same effect on innovation that having copyright/patent periods too long does
- Alex Scoble
from IM
How so?
- Tanath
For instance, drug companies wouldn't bother spending the billions it takes to get new drugs made unless they got the guaranteed exclusivity that a patent brings
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I don't know about that... and there are other ways to deal with stuff like that. Public funding is one option.
- Tanath
Tanath: Short of full-scale, violent revolt, yeah, the world is generally restricted to small steps. And I don't plan on offing anyone just to get Warner Bros. to surrender Superman to the public domain.
- Roger Benningfield
copy rights should be timeconstrained, thats it (like 20yrs)
- chaz2b
Roger Benningfield: I disagree. The advent of the internet for instance has changed & will change things rather quickly. Change is accelerating. And while you may not be one to off someone, the incentive would still be there, and from time to time it would happen.
- Tanath
You know, if we adhere to cavet emptor, and choose not to protect the consumers from bad purchases, why should we protect the rich companies from bad investments? If they invest in something that everyone else duplicates (right away) isn't that called competition?
- Paul W. Homer
So your against inheritance - why should a copyright expIre ?
- Nicholas Paul Gordon
from iPhone
Copyright still expires, just not within our lifetimes. The original intent of copyright was never to provide indefinite protection.
- Victor Ganata
The U.S. Supreme Court rejected the idea that copyrighted works should have the same protections as physical property in 1834 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Victor Ganata
I agree with you, Alex. The current system of copyright is completely borked & totally driven by megacorps like Disney. We should go back to how it originally was in the US.
- josh neff, Fun Dip of FF
Just for the records, it's not an issue only at the US level. Since the Berne Convention, a lot of these questions are discussed at an international level (look for WIPO, ACTA,...)
- Laurent
Dead people have descendants! And they SHOULD have rights! Dude... Dad up!
- Arleen Anderson
Given the time frame they first specified, it was totally not the intention of the founding fathers to let copyright pass into the next generation.
- Victor Ganata
Luckily for Disney, the strict constructionists of the Republican party saw through to the true, *hidden* intentions of the founding fathers!
- Andrew C
Even better, they've managed to criminalize infringement.
- Victor Ganata
Man, you are soooo onto something screwed up about this perpetual copyright concept.
- Jason Nunnelley
I'm finding this discussion very interesting, although it seems that everyone knows a lot about copyright that I don't so I'm a little behind. But I would like to contend that the intentions of the Founding Fathers (dun dun dun and lightening) aren't the relevant concern.
- Heather
Can't blame the GOP entirely. The Dems were still responsible for the 1976 act, which extended it to 75 years or creator's life+50 years.
- Victor Ganata
I don't know. I still believe the purpose of copyright is "to promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries", and not simply to allow people to ride the gravy train into infinity and beyond. I suspect I'm not the only one who believes similarly.
- Victor Ganata
Interesting use of "to infinity and beyond". ;) BTW, I can't figure that Wikipedia link out, I think my brain has melted but I don't know what it means.
- Heather
I'm in favor of prohibiting "authorship" transfer. And, the original term was 15 years - Now, it's 70 years after the death of the author, and transferable to holding companies and trusts. Not to mention, Disney's artists are "work for hire." Copyright has become the tool of corporations and investors.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
IANAL, so the case write up itself is pretty opaque to me, but going by the summary, one side of the case contended that copyright is a natural right of a creator of any work, and that it should last in perpetuity, and that a copyrighted work should have the same protections as real and tangible property does. The case went to the Supreme Court, and they said, no, copyright can only exist as decreed and enforced by the state and it isn't the same thing as real and tangible property.
- Victor Ganata
Oh yes, except China. They don't have to comply for some reason - perhaps because we can't make them pay, perhaps because they haven't signed any treaties. But maybe, the complete absence of "regional pricing" that makes sense is yet another problem with copyright today.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I agree 100% http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Geo Meek
I'd be all for a fixed term like 15 or 20 years or something like life +5 years.
- Steve is older than ever
Oooh, thinking about Alex's original post I'm coming up with a great near-future sci-fi story where anyone who comes up with a hit song or story or movie immediately has hire serious bodyguards to protect themselves from the IP assassins who try to have them rubbed out so their copyrights will expire.
- Steve is older than ever
I believe Microsoft Office would cost a small business in China their entire budget for a year.. A CD would cost one family's income for a month. Or thereabouts.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Ah . . . the Mickey Mouse clause - every time the copyright on Mickey gets close - the 'fixed term' gets extended. Copyright is driven by American capitalism ??
- Chris Loft
I'm not a capitalist?
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Because I don't believe in unfettered capitalism, doesn't mean I'm not a capitalist
- Alex Scoble
from IM
How is that not capitalism? I believe in responsible capitalism. Fettered capitalism is what we have now...more or less. :)
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Trading in knockoff goods should be analogous to illegal music downloads, meaning that cheap handbag should cost you literally millions, according to the Jammie (Jamie?) Thomas disaster.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
LOL Dave, and this is where we obviously diverge in opinion. Business has been allowed to run so rampant over society in the last 20 years that it's caused a lot of problems.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
curious Alex: so the family of an arist should've benefit if a work is published posthumously if the work was finished on his deathbead?
- Bastard Operator From FF
Yeah, I think if you read my comments, I'd like to have a fixed period of ownership (no longer than 30 years) rather than the system we have now...This would give families in the situation you propose some benefit from the works of a loved one.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Sorry Alex missed it scrolling through... we're in agreement.
- Bastard Operator From FF
Patents without an intent to market are even worse
- Alex Scoble
from IM
What is it Warren Buffet is doing he's left his kids "Enough money to do whatever they want and not enough that they can do nothing"
- Bastard Operator From FF
Yeah, in my mind, corporations living off the teat of the dead is even a bigger problem than the "welfare rich"
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I feel like if *poof* all copyrights were over after 30years from origination there would be a lot of shitty movies in production in a year or two. Plus, I understand Disney is the devil and whatnot, but if a character (like Tinkerbell maybe) is still popular and stuff involving the character are still being produced, shouldn't that reinforce the copyright? Going back to Tolkien, LotR...
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- Heather
Heather if Popularity is a factor in copyright then Shakespeare and Dickens are still under copyright
- Bastard Operator From FF
Heather, I think a law against shitty movies would be a great thing.
- Steve is older than ever
Hate to break it to you, but there are already a lot of shitty movies getting made.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Do we need more? lol
- Heather
And one could argue that new works that are derivative of previous works would be protected under new copyright
- Alex Scoble
from IM
LOL
- Alex Scoble
from IM
I'm all for peeling away copyright laws. In a totally unregulated world, copyright would not exist.
- Victor Ganata
Apparently I thought this thread was dead, while y'alls comments were queuing up. My bad, I don't mean to talk AT the thread LOL
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Heather, just a bit of background on why Disney deserves derision - Mickey Mouse was ganked, cribbed, stolen, from Steamboat Willie, and much of their huge money makers are derivative of the Brothers Grimm, H.C. Anderson, etc. etc. Song of the South, though, is entirely original I think :) And what others have said about Mickey driving copyright extension is true. So, the fact that none...
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- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Heather, I think you're mixing trademarks (like the characters of Tinkerbell, Mickey Mouse, etc) with the copyrighted works they appear in. I don't think anyone is saying Disney should lose their trademarks, but IMO old works very well should have copyright expire.
- Andrew C
Heather, 30 years from publication solves your problem nicely. A derivative work can get its own 30 year term, paying as appropriate to the work.it derived from
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
By the way Alex, you've hit on my preferred solution exactly, with one small addition: rights of "authorship" can't be transferred meaning Yoko can't prevent a derivative Lennon work. That is Lennon's call only. Not inherited. The heirs to "Gone With the Wind" attempted and failed to prevent publication of a re-telling from the slave's perspective, "The Wind Done Gone". I know my Lessig :)
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Arleen, you should concede that you missed the point, that inheriting the right to profit from a REASONABLE copyright is not the issue. Lessig has written extensively on why the ridiculous, RETROACTIVE copyright extensions have perverted the intent of copyright, and created a monster, namely effectively perpetual copyright bought and sold by holding companies, trusts, and media conglomerates. And occasionally a Michael Jackson.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I love this thread! by the way.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Good for bringing up this important topic Alex. Copyright lasts way too long. Disney and mega corporations ought not hold sole creative license to remix these important works from the past. Copyright should not last past your death. That's just wrong.
- Thomas Hawk
Why is it "just wrong"? There is as much to justify copyright being passed on to estates as chattel or property, Maybe copyright shouldn't exist at all?
- Brian Sullivan
It's wrong because art needs to be recycled and prohibiting past creative efforts from becoming part of new creative efforts is harmful to art and the creativity that is possible. It puts limits in place that the artist has to deal with unnecessarily. Copyright is put into place as an incentive for people to create art. There is no need to extend that incentive on to the artists' children, grandchildren or businesses. All copyright should die with the artist.
- Thomas Hawk
Copyright law needs a complete overhaul. Or more accurately, to be thrown out and rewritten wholesale.
- Jim Hearts FF
well, some sort of right to the proceeds generated by one's efforts is warranted. If that could be accomplished without a set of laws, fine (I didn't read this whole thread... maybe something like that was proposed).
- Jim Hearts FF
I agree. I also believe that once you are dead, your image (publicity rights) should belong to the ages... in other words, public domain. Amazingly, in Tennessee, publicity rights last forever... literally.
- Mitch Featherston
Thomas -- your statement offers no argument -- just sentiment and bafflegab driven by emotiion. If intellectual property ownership exists at all as a concept there it seems most logical to treat it the same as all other property. Do people need incentive to create art? I think it is one of those have your cake and eat things. Basically you can't.
- Brian Sullivan
Copyright ceases to be meaningful when it is allowed to be sold, assigned or passed to abstract entities - corporations with no accountability and a very long lifespan perspective. There are companies out there that do nothing but milk old pieces of music - they are ought of copyright in normal use, but the rights of use in film etc. are still held and charged at a premium. These companies are specialist at snatching those rights from failed projects, estates, and individuals and milking them.
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Intellectual property simply isn't the same as real and tangible property. At least, that's how the law stands now.
- Victor Ganata
That's how it works now, but there's a bunch of authors who -more or less respectfully - dissent. This debate is as old as the public domain.
- Laurent
Well, wouldn't someone just kill you to make your copyright expire then??
- Dave Hodson
Making intellectual property equivalent to real and tangible property requires state intervention, requires writing new laws. Copyright and patent rights don't exist without the government backing it up. This is clearly not laissez-faire.
- Victor Ganata
The best solution is still probably a fixed term. Something like 20 years, regardless of whether the content creator is dead or alive.
- Victor Ganata
Dave: you should write a book about this :)
- Laurent
I have yet to see a convincing argument that copyright or "intellectual property" should exist at all.
- Tanath
Sure it does Brian, my statement does offer an argument. I'm arguing that intellectual property should be treated different than tangible physical property. Ideas are just that. And I don't think that an idea ought to be transferable after someone's death to the detriment of the rest of society. That the benefit of transferring ideas intergenerationally is less than the benefit of allowing ideas to freely flourish unbridled by ownership for society as a whole.
- Thomas Hawk
You seem to support the intergenerational transfer of copyrights Brian. Should copyrights be transferable intergenerationally forever if not why not?
- Thomas Hawk
I think we should release this thread into the public domain. Because if you don't say otherwise, std. "all rights reserved" death+70 copyright term applies. Some legal minds think you can copyright as little as 5 words strung together. Now, does anyone still think copyright today is reasonable or sensible?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
This is the internet, remember? US law doesn't apply globally. :P And actually, common law copyright was thrown out in the US (see earlier in thread).
- Tanath
Tanath, I realize that. But I'm not going to take your word for the second part. That is NOT my understanding of current law. You do not even need the little (c) anymore.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
You don't need the (c) but you DO need to register a work in order to properly pursue infringement cases.
- Mitch Featherston
Common law copyright is the notion that copyrighted works ought to be treated the same as real and tangible property, which the Supreme Court repudiated in Wheaton v Peters in 1834. Common law copyright is also not valid in the UK, from what I understand.
- Victor Ganata
Yes Mitch, my point. If we do not release this thread into the public domain, someone can steal it and register it. I'm just pointing out how ridiculously things have been stacked against common sense and the "public domain."
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Tanath, the thought is that if copyright and patents didn't exist, no one would ever feel compelled to publish anything. Scientific endeavors would slow down considerably as the flow of information would be hampered, and there'd be no way to get anything peer-reviewed.
- Victor Ganata
Victor: How do you justify that claim?
- Tanath
Tanath, I can't prove that it's true, but that's the idea behind it. But if there were no protections, I really do think the sharing of research would slow. It would be way too easy to steal someone else's ideas without crediting the originator, and credit for original research is basically the currency of academia.
- Victor Ganata
Simple proof of "prior art" would fix that problem. Not that the copyright & patent system works perfectly for that function either. It was Tesla that invented the radio for instance, and only recently that it was acknowledged in court.
- Tanath
Thomas -- I don't support any specific amount of time or number of generations a copyright is to apply. Once the principle of intellectual property is established in law as it is in western countries-- it will be subject to variances. Arguing for one length or another then becomes an emotional rather than a factual issue. I am thinking that the abolishing of the principle of intellectual property might be the ultimate solution.
- Brian Sullivan
Tanath, it's true that copyrights and patents won't really deter anyone who is intent on stealing someone's idea, but without them, the aggrieved party would have absolutely no ability to attempt to gain redress.
- Victor Ganata
Unfortunately, Lessig's supreme court case about copyright terms Eldred v. Ashcroft failed to impress the justices. http://www.wired.com/wired... I'm not very hopeful any of this can be remedied frankly.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Here is a good TED video "Larry Lessig on laws that choke creativity" http://www.ted.com/talks...
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Brian, I doubt you'd ever see copyright abolished. I do think that someone ought to be able to exclusively earn money from their idea for a limited amount of time. But I think that a reasonable amount of time has been pushed to excessive lengths by big business copyright protectors like Walt Disney. I spent a summer working in Walt Disney's corporate legal department which was eye...
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- Thomas Hawk
I highly recommend Matt Mason's book The Pirate's Dilemma to almost anyone makes (or wants to make) a living from intellectual property http://thepiratesdilemma.com/
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Victor: I don't think "stealing" is the right word. That applies to physical property where something is lost. What's wrong with letting everyone make use of everyone's ideas? I'd also recommend looking at The Pirate's Dilemma and Lessig's talks.
- Tanath
Thomas - I had no idea you spent time in the belly of the beast. That's complete vindication of my suspicions. Thank you!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I think one of the funny things about this conversation is the constant usage of Disney as the worlds worst offender here. For those of you who didn't know the character of Mickey Mouse was created by Ub Iwerks (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...) and his rights owned by producer Charles Mintz. You could also say that Ub and Walt co-founded the Disney studios back in the day after...
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- Chris Greene
Yes Chris I mentioned Mickey being ganked in the "background on why Disney deserves derision"
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I just don't agree with the negative press they get. It's a two way street. If I create a character while working for Disney I expect them to own the rights to it. It's the price I pay for a regular paycheck instead of forging out on my own. John Lassiter isn't complaining that he doesn't own the rights to the "Brave Little Toaster" after he was fired from Disney for suggesting that...
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- Chris Greene
A lawyer working for a RIAA file sharing defendant recently made news with a radical challenge - "file sharing IS fair use" - Lessig thinks that's going too far - I'll follow up later if I find anything.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Chris - you also are confusing copyright and trademarks.
- Andrew C
Chris, I don't have a problem with "work for hire" - but people should be educated on what's theirs and what's the employer's, and what can be negotiated in the employment contract.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
"Copyright is a form of protection provided by the laws of the United States (title 17, U. S. Code) to the authors of “original works of authorship,” including literary, dramatic, musical, artistic, and certain other intellectual works."Firstly, copyright is a body of work so Steamboat Willy would be copyright, correct? That lead to the creation of the character and the trademarks that...
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- Chris Greene
No, the design of a character and the name is a trademark...that's a separate issue, however, I find it odd that I have no problems with a company or family being able to protect their trademarks in perpetuity.
- Alex Scoble
from IM
Richard - I am a working artist and I am very aware of what rights I have to property (intellectual or otherwise) I create under my current contract. If you are not aware of those rights you shouldn't be working for someone else.
- Chris Greene
I'm skipping most of the comments, but tell me if this is right. 30 years after a book is written or movie is made, someone else could redo the work (changed names ect) and it would be legit "recycling" of art? So it's not really about Mickey Mouse, it's about the cartoons containing Mickey?
- Heather
Chris - yeah, what Alex said. Steamboat Willy the cartoon is copyrighted. Mickey Mouse, the character appearing in that cartoon, is trademarked.
- Andrew C
Andrew - That's what I said, not Alex. Look above.
- Chris Greene
Alex, trademarks have to be defended, where copyrights don't, and trademarks can't be transferred. So it's not that odd, really.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I'm glad to hear that Chris. Good for you. I suppose you have nothing to say to people contemplating such a line of work. They should just "know", hmm?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Chris, my point is that copyright has always had a finite period, whereas trademarks can last in perpetuity. So just because the work has passed out of copyright doesn't mean the trademarks that came out of it have to as well. Also, preserving trademarks doesn't mean the associated works' copyright needs to last in perpetuity. And no, I was referring to Alex's comment that starts "No, the design of a character..."
- Andrew C
Well if you;re asking for advice I can put a couple of things out there. First, make sure any original work you create on your own you copyright before you submit to anyone else for distribution marketing etc. As an artists you should know that any work you do while under contract to an employer or as a supplier becomes the property of the employer (or vendor).
- Chris Greene
One of the research projects I worked for Disney on (now this goes back almost 20 years ago during college) was to research copyrighted works that had trademarked characters in them. I think copyright at the time might have been 50 or 60 years but trademark was 75 I think. Companies were releasing the oldest mickey mouse films and Disney was trying to argue that even though copyright...
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- Thomas Hawk
That's helpful, Chris.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Fascinating, Thomas!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
I used to have to send out cease and desist letters also everyday from Disney. They would send them out over the stupidest little things. I remember having to send one out to a guy with a little tree cutting business. A solo practitioner who had put Mickey Mouse on his business card and someone had turned him in. My cease and desist letter would include an acknowledgment form that...
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- Thomas Hawk
Tanath, yeah, maybe stealing is the wrong word. I'm not trying to equate intellectual property with real, tangible property. I'm not sure what a good turn of phrase would be, though. In an environment where only original work can really guarantee your livelihood (i.e., tenure), I just can't imagine too many people wanting to freely share their ideas without any protections. The concept of prior art doesn't really exist without copyright and patent law.
- Victor Ganata
That's very true, Victor - I was able to put some stuff in Creative Commons only because of those protections. I can share "non-commercial" rights and keep the other.
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Well, they vote!
- Kreg Steppe
I agree! Apparently they can also be sued by the RIAA.
- Logan Lindquist
Responding to a quote wayyy back in this thread (I had to leave for an hour or so, and things really kept rolling!): Tanath said: "Logical Extremes: Public policy is supposed to be about what benefits society, not individuals or companies & corporations." Actually, that's not quite true. (I know because I spent many many hours in seminars discussing writings and supreme court rulings on...
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- Mark Jepsen
-cont.- Libertarians would have you think otherwise, of course, as though any 'public interest' is allowed to dominate. There are two flaws with that logic: First, the libertarians equate 'public interest' with 'government control' when, in fact, they can be diametrically opposed to each other; and second, the 'public interest' is often times best represented as a 'collection of...
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- Mark Jepsen
Here's an article that's relevant: http://techdirt.com/article... "Why Virtual Property Doesn't Make Sense"
- Tanath
imgfave | share your visual inspiration - http://imgfave.com/popular...
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Inspiration to do your best. Do not quit.
- Wins Fern
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Photoshop at its best.
- Wins Fern
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Feedly is changing the way I read news on the Web. - http://www.feedly.com
thomas elton, Kolja, Kol Tregaskes and 49 other people liked this
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
I definitely need to spend more time with it, because on first impression, it's just too much information in one place.
- cecily
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin, thanks, good to know.
- Andrew Smith
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Edwin, one main suggestion - use plain language. Why call it "no thanks" when "mark item as read" is more intuitive (and doesn't require guessing)?
- cecily
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
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Mati likes it! :):)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm in love!
- Angel Smith
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
I tried it but wasn't that impressed with it.
- BCK
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana waiting impatiently : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Oh my lord. I just checked my Google Reader, it's has 2348279384723 new feeds. Thanks Freedly.
- Aaron Myers
want to see converstaion integrated to feedly. then it really rocks. someone out there should get ff and disqus into feedly in an api way.
- kosmar
I was sort of suprised that some were vehement about the "crap". I woke up and still am enthralled.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I love it!!! The only feature I'd add is the ability to customize how my emailed items look...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
@David Risley fixed. feedly has now a better msg and automated-undo http://edwink.devhd.com/2008...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I'm really liking Feedly as well. We'll see how it goes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
LOVE Feedly.
- Fleagle
I want it for chrome. Any chance?
- Er-fun
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
Wells Fargo Bank Sues Itself - http://www.inquisitr.com/29039...
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LOL! Stupid corporation!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Why am I tempted to say "win" inatead of "fail"?
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
from Android
"Win" for the lawyers who will be making money off of this stupidity!
- Jeff P. Henderson
LOL!! Epic win for the lawyers!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
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I'd love a WebNotes invitation: kenneth -at- lefebvre -dot- us. Thank you!!!
- Kenneth LeFebvre
cool! upimchen at yahoo dot de - thank you :-)
- Timo Heuer
if you have any left: metalerik gmail thanks!
- metalerik
bigstarlet AT gmail. Thanks much!
- Helen Sventitsky
Helen, I sent you an invite but you already got one. :)
- metalerik
Hey! gibson.trey@gmail.com thx!
- Kirill Kotikov
jesi (dot) nieves (at) gmail (dot) com
- Jesi
Can I have one also? http://emailcover.com/b8X
- brainno722 (Peter)
pneumor at virgilio.it thanks! :-)
- pneumor
I have been dying to try out Webnotes. I'd greatly appreciate an invite at sushaantum AT gmail DOT com
- sushaantu
hey everyone, sorry, I lost track of this thread. I went to add all of you but it looks like it's open now with a WebNotes Basic which will always be free.
- metalerik
WebNotes is out with pro as well.
- Wins Fern
GBM Update: New Version of InkSeine Released: Our good friends at Microsoft Research, Raman and Ken, .. http://www.gottabemobile.com/2009...
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Waze: The traffic of the crowds - http://news.cnet.com/8301-17...
Daniel Rowley, Veetrag, Nicholas James and 5 other people liked this
Cool way to get traffic reports from other drivers.
- Robert Scoble
my father do the same reporting me by phone for heavy traffic when he left home in the morning before me :)
- Lorenzo Strambi
Nick Alpin Photography http://www.nickalpin.com
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New Design - http://danlefeb.com/index...
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it's a great design.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
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FriendFeed Jabber/Gtalk IM bot - http://blog.imified.com/index...
mjc, Craig Deakin, e-bekr and 440 other people liked this
I think this is the origin of story!! March 26 was when I added the bot to my gTalk..!!
- Jigar Mehta
I like having each service as an individual contact. Much easier. Can we see the same for Pownce?
- Chris Nixon
Well, IMified has taken bot to a next level.. I even created a customized option to check my google calendar appointments for today (a quick schedule for today) by interacting with bot! Not sure, if they have one for Pownce..
- Jigar Mehta
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One year later. Just bumping this because it's the one year anniversary of the only item on FriendFeed to get more than 400 likes. (452 at the moment)
- Ken Sheppardson
450.
- Volkan Yılmaz ٩(●̮̮̃•̃)۶
Hi i am charles Camil ,i want to know you
- charles
NPPA Best of Photojournalism 2003 - http://bop.nppa.org/2003...
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CATEGORY DESCRIPTION: A picture that captures, with all its phenomena, the air, water, minerals, and life (flora and fauna) - an appreciation of the world.
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
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Democrats on Escalator - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Mitch Hedberg would've had something to say about this.
- Dave Roth
Pardon my naiveté, but why are they Democrats?
- fn (fairnymph)
Because they're waiting for someone else to come along and solve their problems for them.. . . most likely the government.
- Dave Roth
Thanks for the clarification. I suppose I don't follow political gossip enough; I wasn't aware that was a stereotypical Democratic trait.
- fn (fairnymph)
WSJ.com - Opinion: How Government Prolonged the Depression - http://online.wsj.com/article...
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How to Read a Photograph: Lessons from Master Photographers - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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Fundamentals of Photography: The Essential Handbook for Both Digital and Film Cameras - http://www.amazon.com/dp...
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Adding liquidity to insolvent banks: like filling gas tank of a wrecked car - http://blog.eronj.com/2009...
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History of the Internet - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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YouTube - Czech President disagrees with Al Gore on Climate Change - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Thomas Crampton has captured an interview of Czech President who says climate change does not exist!
- Loic Le Meur
I respect his courage to buck the fad to speak his mind.
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Open debate of any theory is healthy. But only if those debating also have open minds.
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
very interesting to see someone take the alternative view; not getting into the global warming debate here; the one issue I do agree with is his point about "miracles". We need to find the right methodology to get to alternative energies and also the platform to support those energies once they are created. It is not going to happen by magic. Yes, there are a lot of people working on it but we aren't close, no matter what politicians like to say. My sense is that is much of his point...
- Lou Paglia
@Mark: Who gets to decide whether someone has an "open mind "or not?
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Flickr: Your Photostream - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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All In!
- Admiral70
Immigration to the US, 1820-2007 v2 - http://vimeo.com/2424744
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xkcd - A Webcomic - Sandwich - http://xkcd.com/149/
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Still my favorite xkcd ever.
- Tudor Bosman
Available as a t-shirt: http://store.xkcd.com/#Sudo :)
- Dan Hsiao
I have that t-shirt :P
- Brandon Titus
i wish there was a 'make me a sandwitch' command
- Gautam Guliani
FriendFeeder at FriendFeed - http://www.linkedin.com/in...
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Congratulations, Ben!
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Wow best of luck!
- Majento
AWESOME JOB TITLE DUDE!
- Susan Beebe
Congrats!
- Caleb Elston
congrats...thats soo kool
- (jeff)isageek
Awesome!
- Bwana ☠
Well done, congrats!
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Officially awesome, congrats!
- Pete Delucchi
Congrats,waiting new FF features:)
- Igor Poltavskiy
Great news Ben! FF sure knows how to pick 'em. Can't wait to see what's next.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
Congrats!!! I'm glad you're hard work has payed off. I hope you can continue to help the site grow.
- Brandon Titus
Congratulation,Ben, waiting for a lot of new features
- Steve Chou
You are the man, Ben. Excitement, jealousy and some pride all mixed into one. Great work
- Louis Gray
w33t!
- j1m
Congratulations, Benjamin!
- Eric Florenzano
:D +1 Louis Gray
- Yuvi
Story continued on RSSmeme http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Charlie Anzman
Congrats!
- Ray Grieselhuber
Congrats!!!
- Rachel Lea Fox
Congrats Ben!
- Mustafa K. Isik
Congratulations, Benjamin. Clearly a great choice all around.
- Robert Konigsberg
Excellent :D
- Harun Baris Bulut
Congratulations!
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
nice one benjamin. good luck.
- Alex Gawley
This entry is in the most liked list of ffholic.com! Congrats! :)
- FFholic.com
Congratulations Ben
- Shakeel Mahate
FFHolic, are you a bot?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Congratulations Ben. Are you going to commute from NY?
- Clare Dibble
Congrats Ben! Having followed your work the last half year I must say I am not surprised by this :)
- Amund Tveit
Congrats Benjamin!
- Mike Reynolds
Congrats Benjamin !
- peter huesken
Congrats!
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Well done, Benjamin!
- Sally Church
congrats!!
- Jess Lee
Big ups!! This is awesome news!
- Phil G
Super! congrats!
- Sarah Perez
Awesome!
- Mitchell Tsai
Most coveted job title on Earth right now, huh? So, now you're on the squad, what's the minimum bribe to get you gushing forth to the guys on the merits of being able to tag our own (or each others) posts?
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Congratulations!! Smart move by FriendFeed. :)
- felix
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- Internet Strategist
Only 3 of 100+ funds in my 401k are barely + YTD. Do I just cut losses and side line for the time being?
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I don't "like" this, but I can commiserate...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
Man that's a tough call. I say ride it out right now, but I don't exactly have a stellar investment history. :/
- cjmart
Is Our Addiction to Saving Money Destroying the Real America? - http://zenhabits.net/2008...
Gordon Swaby, Czar, Kyle Lacy and 8 other people liked this
Um, what? America is a spend money country.
- Cyndy
America seems like it is addicted to spending future money, not saving -- not sure what world the author lives in but it seems it is not the real world.
- Brian Sullivan
You gotta read it. Not "saving" as in putting money away for later. Saving money when spending at the big box mass retailers. A recurring theme, that gets played out everywhere. Wal-Mart is finding it tough to open more stores in California.
- Hutch Carpenter
I always try to patronize the little guys, but it just goes to show you how effective branding and delivering a consistent experience are at driving business. Most small businesses don't pay enough attention to either and that's a big reason why the struggle.
- Morgan
That ship has sailed. It did destroy "real America" and replaced it with a McDonalds, Walmart, Starbucks and Home Depot in every town.
- Alex Scoble
Ah -- yes should read beyond the headline
- Brian Sullivan
It's not just about saving money either. Research has shown that when people rate a restaurant in their minds, consistency is the number one factor. Which is why chain restaurants are so prevalent in our society.
- Alex Scoble
I call it the WalMart economy.
- David Ward
@alex you're exactly right. which is why franchise restaurants have a huge likelihood of success while a large percentage of independently owned restaurants go out of business within the first 24 months.
- Morgan
so we get the pleasure of seeing a TGIF or Applebees or Outback or Chili's at every corner in America.
- Morgan
It's about ease of spending money, not saving. The big-box retailers are losing ground to the online retailers. I don't check prices to shop at Amazon; I do it because I don't have to take the kids out and it shows up for free in two days.
- Cyndy
What choice is there though? People don't have enough money to shop anywhere but at the lowest-cost retailers.
- Morton Fox
I shop at Amazon because I'm a prime member and get free two day shipping. :) Except for Wii related stuff, because for some reason Amazon totally sucks for buying all things Wii.
- Alex Scoble
"Addiction" is also a funny word. Holding on to more of your money is an addiction? Like saying we're addicted to oxygen.
- Hutch Carpenter
Morton, there's plenty of choice but too many people don't take the time to really see which shopping choices will get them a better deal. I'm not talking electronics et al here, I'm talking every day things like groceries, toiletries, clothing etc. People shop at Walmart b/c they think it's the lowest price, and while the dollar cost for an item *might* be lower, the actual cost of ownership typically winds up being higher.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You mean saving money on an item so that you can spend it somewhere else, not saving in the bank right...because that is not happening
- Denis
So the suggestion is to enable less efficient companies to stay less efficient rather than force them to compete or perish? Where they provide a real, valuable service on top of the sale of the products they will survive and even flourish. Where they try to simply sell products they will be in competition with chain stores and online stores, and will probably lose.
- Jason Carreira
Wonderful post, thanks for linking Corvida. The irony is that big box retailers often kill local businesses and drive down income which further increases dependence on their cheap goods.
- Sprague D
Yes, but it runs deeper than just saving money. Many Americans still think more is always better, and cheaper is always the best choice. Discerning quality and calculating the real cost of ownership is just not prevalent. Nor do they often grok that consolidation of retail power will *eventually* lead to less choice and higher prices.
- AJ Kohn
Since when..?
- Matt Long
AJ - my guess is that it's cyclical. Consolidated market power means higher prices, lower selection. Which opens the door for new competitors.
- Hutch Carpenter
@Hutch: I agree, but fear that our current climate makes it difficult for new competitors. Really, it *will* happen. I'm just hoping we can avoid the true bottom.
- AJ Kohn
This comment is late but last night I happened upon as story about those evil franchisers doing something commendable in Africa.... http://tinyurl.com/notsoevil
- Capn' One Eye - adrift
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