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The only way I'd go camping. ;)
Tyson Key, Tomonori Murakami, Дмитрисергеич and 154 other people liked this
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
- Anna Haro
ahahahaa
- DO ANYBODY NO MONIQUE
Been there, done that. Many, many, many years ago, we brought computers to a week-long music festival just so we could play games.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Switch that to someone else carrying all that and I'm there with you.
- ♥patricia♥
Akiva, you went to burning man? Sweet! Tell all...
- Pete Delucchi
Hah, no. It was a regional festival.
- Akiva Moskovitz
That guy needs to ditch his eMachines and get a MacBook Air.
- Louis Gray
What in the hell resolution is he running at? The IE icon takes up the entire screen.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I wonder what battery he used...
- Ming Tsai
He's writing "e"-mail
- Morton Fox
Wow, that will produce some muscles !
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
.LOLz
- .LAG liked that
Wiindows Fit
- Jemm
L ... O ... L
- Mike Reynolds
LOL that would be my bf!
- Brandy Lea
Dude. Get a Shuttle case at least.
- Cyndy
Heavy pc and crt, ok, but the subwoofer too? You know how heavy those things are? This would work in space maybe.
- Josh Haley
And I wonder where it's getting powered from. Is there an extension cord behind him, or maybe he's got a generator attached to his feet?
- Costa Walcott
But which way would it point? Or should there be two, one aimed at his face, and one on the visor of his hat, to see what he can see?
- Ladybug Heather
It's a 'Trojan Horse'!! The hollowed out tower contains 8 Macbook Airs, 25 iPhones, a G1™[product placement by Google] and a handful of Newtons - just waiting to be deployed!
- Micah Wittman
There is a distinct lack of cup holder.
- Rochelle
True... where does the Mountain Dew go? Or coffee or Jolt Cola or whatever caffeinated substance he drinks?
- Ladybug Heather
Rochelle: thats what the CD Drive tray is for.
- Roberto Bonini
hehe
- Kamilah Gill
Hmm, needs more counter-balances on the front. Right now it's just a touch off-center. :D
- i80and
amazing
- johnpiercy
*bump*
- Micah Wittman
*bump*^2
- imabonehead
WIN!
- TheHenry
COOL! :d
- selma hurkan
either that or my laptop and my Rocket stick with me lol
- Rob Cairns
Fractal flame - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
Peter Renshaw, Kenichi Matsumoto, Kimber Scott and 4 other people liked this
"Fractal flames are a member of the iterated function system class[1] of fractals created by Scott Draves in 1992.[2] Draves' open-source code was later ported into Adobe After Effects graphics software[3] and translated into the Apophysis fractal flame editor.[2] Fractal flames differ from ordinary iterated function systems in three ways: * Nonlinear functions are iterated instead of affine transforms. * Log-density display instead of linear or binary (a form of tone mapping) * Colour by structure (i.e. by the recursive path taken) instead of monochrome or by density. The tone mapping and coloring are designed to display as much of the detail of the fractal as possible, which generally results in a more aesthetically pleasing image."
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
from Bookmarklet
Sacred geometry. Or form constants...Often seen in mandalas..
- kevin fitts
@kevin.fitts Have you read the book Sacred Geometry by Robert Lawlor? It's really well done. I think that you'd like it :) http://www.amazon.com/Sacred-...
- See-ming Lee 李思明 SML
Got Kit? » Blog Archive » Native FriendFeed Login & Sharing is here - http://blog.js-kit.com/2009...
Jeroen De Miranda, Marcel Weiß, Jérôme Flipo and 11 other people liked this
"With this new addition, you can log in with FriendFeed, bind it with your other accounts and share your comment straight to FriendFeed." Happy to see this launch! Working with the JS-Kit team has been a pleasure.
- Benjamin Golub
from Bookmarklet
Thanks for all your help and support Ben - you rock.
- Chris Saad
Super Epic Rainbow Cake - http://whisk-kid.blogspot.com/2009...
Pilsonia, Kim, tony obregon and 74 other people liked this
O_o
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
L-O-V-E.
- joey
Dang, they stopped at 6 layers :P
- Daniel J. Pritchett
*SWOON* <3 <3 <3 <3
- edythe
I have to make this cake.
- tab thinks you're awesome
The phrase "that is so gay" has never been more deserved :)
- Sparky Crocker
I wish I could "Like" Sparky's comment.
- Andru Edwards
How do I get a slice of this gayke?
- Andru Edwards
I feel sick already
- Kevin J Hatton
Am I lame for not making the gay cake connection without having Sparky point it out for me?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
This reminds me of a cake I made for my niece when she was 3 or 4. I didn't do quite that many layers, but it was still colorful. (When I had asked her what kind of cake she wanted for her birthday, she said "rainbow.")
- Katy S
That reminds me, I need to make a trip over to SFMOMA for a slice of Mondrian Cake: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- vicster
vicster, is that a regular featured dessert there? I must have a slice!
- Derrick
Lets Eat the F- Ck Out that
- johnpiercy
Have you ever had rainbow jello, Derrick? It looks much the same, and used to be a regular at our house when I was younger. http://images.google.com/images...
- Louis Gray
Derrick, I hope it is. Gwen's photo is the first I've seen of it, but I haven't been there for 3 or 4 months, so it may be a new item. I'm planning a long lunch trip over there next week, I'll ask them if it's a permanent menu item.
- vicster
Hey, we just had a rainbow cake this weekend for a birthday: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Kewl!
- Kol Tregaskes
I feel a bit sick...............
- Kevin J Hatton
um, that's weird
- Susan Beebe
ROFLMAO over 'gayke'. I now need to bake a gayke and blog the process.
- Sparky Crocker
Is this eatable really? or just decorative? I like the looks. :-)
- Olivia Lovag
it's just food coloring. at worst, your mouth will look like you ate a rainbow.
- jbrotherlove
Yeah, when I made one similar to this, I just made really thin layers of a white cake and used bright food coloring to make each layer a different color before I baked them. It was easy, but a little time consuming. I frosted the outside white and then made a rainbow on top of it with colored frosting and used the rest of the colored frosting to make rainbow confetti spots on the sides. I used square cake pans so that the slices would look more like one of those color spectrum sticks.
- Katy S
wow! loved it!
- magali
Twilog - Twitterのつぶやきをブログ形式で保存 - http://twilog.org/
sugatch, Renchin Wang, countdowntothetruth and 6 other people liked this
ほー、いいねー。さっそくやってみてます、ありがとう！
- Kenichi Matsumoto
Feedly is changing the way I read news on the Web. - http://www.feedly.com
thomas elton, Kolja, Kol Tregaskes and 49 other people liked this
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
I definitely need to spend more time with it, because on first impression, it's just too much information in one place.
- cecily
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin, thanks, good to know.
- Andrew Smith
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdogan
Edwin, one main suggestion - use plain language. Why call it "no thanks" when "mark item as read" is more intuitive (and doesn't require guessing)?
- cecily
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Mati likes it! :):)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm in love!
- Angel Smith
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
I tried it but wasn't that impressed with it.
- BCK
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana waiting impatiently : )
- Erhan Erdogan
Oh my lord. I just checked my Google Reader, it's has 2348279384723 new feeds. Thanks Freedly.
- Aaron Myers
want to see converstaion integrated to feedly. then it really rocks. someone out there should get ff and disqus into feedly in an api way.
- kosmar
I was sort of suprised that some were vehement about the "crap". I woke up and still am enthralled.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I love it!!! The only feature I'd add is the ability to customize how my emailed items look...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
@David Risley fixed. feedly has now a better msg and automated-undo http://edwink.devhd.com/2008...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I'm really liking Feedly as well. We'll see how it goes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
LOVE Feedly.
- Fleagle
I want it for chrome. Any chance?
- Er-fun
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
FriendFeed Photos - Flickr - http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
Eralee Rivera, Phil Harrison, Nick Soden and 34 other people liked this
Thomas Hawk http://friendfeed.com/thomash... - Last 100 Flickr posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/thomash... Last 100 Flickr likes http://friendfeed.com/thomash... [Note (8/9/09): The links to Flickr likes no longer make sense because FriendFeed doesn't support "likes?service=flickr" Last 100 Flickr posts/favs still works.]
- Mitchell Tsai
Robert Scoble http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/scoblei... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Mitchell Tsai
Great!
- تنهاترین انجل
Robert Patton (RAPatton) http://friendfeed.com/pattonr... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/pattonr... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/pattonr...
- Mitchell Tsai
Polly Roberts (edythe) http://friendfeed.com/furry 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/furry... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/furry...
- Mitchell Tsai
Eric Paparatto (Eric) http://friendfeed.com/ejp1082 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/ejp1082... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/ejp1082...
- Mitchell Tsai
Russell Limprecht (russellreno) 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/russell... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/russell...
- Mitchell Tsai
Trevor Carpenter http://friendfeed.com/trevorc... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/trevorc...
- Mitchell Tsai
Hossein Mazidi (mhmazidi) http://friendfeed.com/mhmazidi 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/mhmazid...
- Mitchell Tsai
Maryam Ardakani http://friendfeed.com/maryam5... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/maryam5...
- Mitchell Tsai
Shandiz Shahram (shandiz) http://friendfeed.com/shandiz 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/shandiz... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/shandiz...
- Mitchell Tsai
Philip Glockner (J. Phil) http://friendfeed.com/eng1ne 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/eng1ne... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/eng1ne...
- Mitchell Tsai
Donato Sinicco (Donato) http://friendfeed.com/ricin 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/ricin... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/ricin...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mahdi Ebrahimi http://friendfeed.com/mahdieb... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/mahdieb... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/mahdieb...
- Mitchell Tsai
Jason Castillo (JA Castillo) http://friendfeed.com/castillo 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/castill... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/castill...
- Mitchell Tsai
Ole Begemann http://friendfeed.com/ole 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/ole... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/ole...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mladen Srdić http://friendfeed.com/quantum... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/quantum... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/quantum...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mrsth (Thomas Hawk's wife) http://friendfeed.com/mrsth 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/mrsth... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/mrsth...
- Mitchell Tsai
Raoul Pop http://friendfeed.com/raoul 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/raoul... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/raoul...
- Mitchell Tsai
Sally Church http://friendfeed.com/maveric... 100 likes http://friendfeed.com/maveric...
- Mitchell Tsai
Jonathan Wood (Jon) http://friendfeed.com/chrono 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/chrono...
- Mitchell Tsai
Mitchell, this is a great list. thanks!
- Kenichi Matsumoto
Yun Huang (yun.huang cloudy) http://friendfeed.com/cloudy 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/cloudy...
- Mitchell Tsai
Rutger Blom http://friendfeed.com/rutgerb... 100 posts/favs http://friendfeed.com/rutgerb...
- Mitchell Tsai
Here is mine so I do not feel left out! lol http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
[Update 8/9/09 & 1/13/09] Here are 20 newer people with good pics http://friendfeed.com/e... and a list of 68 picture rooms at FriendFeed http://ff.im/6lyjM
- Mitchell Tsai
Great list!
- Kol Tregaskes
Flickr Photographers - http://friendfeed.com/rooms...
Jemm, Kol Tregaskes, Cody Heitschmidt and 13 other people liked this
Karen Strolia http://flickr.com/photos... - TODO
- Mitchell Tsai
JWL Photography http://flickr.com/photos... - TODO, Asian kids
- Mitchell Tsai
eleven011 http://flickr.com/photos... - TODO
- Mitchell Tsai
soleá http://flickr.com/photos... - TODO
- Mitchell Tsai
*** Rebekka Guðleifsdóttir (aka rebba) Her blog is http://rebekkagudleifs.com/blog... http://friendfeed.com/e.... Her Flickr photostream is http://flickr.com/photos/rebba http://friendfeed.com/e... http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Mitchell Tsai
*** Ko-knia (aka koknia) http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... takes incredible people pictures. Her kids album is http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos...
- Mitchell Tsai
** Ikooo (aka ikulyl) http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... Blog at http://ikulyl.wordpress.com wonderful colors
- Mitchell Tsai
Ben Licher http://flickr.com/photos... - cactus flowers, FriendFeed http://friendfeed.com/benlich...
- Mitchell Tsai
Ans DeBlauwe http://flickr.com/photos... - flowers, dragonflies, TODO
- Mitchell Tsai
** Paula Anddrade http://flickr.com/photos... - lovely people
- Mitchell Tsai
Lars van de Goor http://flickr.com/photos... - outdoors (especially the light through the trees) & animals
- Mitchell Tsai
** Awe2020 http://www.flickr.com/photos... - outdoor water/building/sky shots from Malaysia
- Mitchell Tsai
** graemej http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... - wildlife (Bald Eagle, Heron, etc...)
- Mitchell Tsai
** AustinTX (aka austintexas) http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... - women
- Mitchell Tsai
** Wynona R (aka lostinawood) http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... - kids (her son Silas)
- Mitchell Tsai
** {amanda} (aka kittynn) http://friendfeed.com/e... http://flickr.com/photos... - kids
- Mitchell Tsai
An old list. I have to update it...
- Mitchell Tsai
YouTube - The Big Lebowski - Dude, Man Version - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Kevin, Jason Wyttenbach, Randall Haney and 8 other people liked this
There's another Youtube video that strings together clips of all the F* words from the movie. Not sharing that one but it's easy to find it yourself.
- Morton Fox
Just search for the "F***ing short version" :D It's one of my fave things on YouTube
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
This is literally the first time I've used FF
Roland Hörmann, Daniel Lazarides, Thierry R. Andriamirado and 235 other people liked this
no way!!!!
- sean andersen
Real Time!
- Stephen Pickering
What took you so long?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
That's just wrong.
- Michael McKean
Once you try, its hard to see the web any other way.
- sean andersen
Twitter is so dead!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Best App on the web I think
- Stephen Pickering
Will your ghost writers try it too? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Zing!
- Michael McKean
Grins..
- BairdWilliamson
LOL. Aloha!
- Josh Haley
from iPhone
Which browser do you normally use? :-)
- Todd Hoff
It's about frickin' time, Guy! You're the guy who handed Steve Balmer a Macbook Air as a symbol of good design and yet you've been using Twitter all this time? Either start using friendfeed or switch to using Dells. You can't have it both ways. :)
- Alex Scoble
You missed out on the earlier days of FriendFeed, but then it's never too late to start using it.
- imabonehead
I don't think Guy understands he can write comments to his posts, instead of new posts to conversate
- Stephen Pickering
Welcome, we arent experts here but we manage to muddle through some how
- Robert Higgins
Alex: Can I get a Dell through you?
- Guy Kawasaki
Welcome!
- Jason Huebel
If you need help, just ask. I'm a Social Media Expert!
- Glen Campbell
Guy you just can't resist that Windows 7 can you :-)
- Stephen Pickering
LOL, Guy, I've helped many a person get a Dell. :)
- Alex Scoble
Oh and welcome...and now I'm going to faint...Guy Kawasaki commented on my comment on friendfeed.
- Alex Scoble
I'm a social media expert, too. Like Glen. Honest.
- Brett Kelly
from iPhone
It's just the heat Alex :-)
- Todd Hoff
Alex, YFTE: you faint too easily
- Guy Kawasaki
Ah now he's gettin the hang of it ;)
- BairdWilliamson
Guy, it must be the heat. ;)
- Alex Scoble
Hi Guy welcome :-))
- Johni Fisher
Howdy
- Rodfather
I have always wondered why a social media guru type like you would be solely on Twitter. FF offers a lot.
- Stu Rich
About time!
- Chris Spizzirri
Welcome. Twitter's for Quitters. Its FriendFeed indeed. Ok, I've embarrassed myself enough now. :)
- Her Lindsay-ness
Welcome to the world of Mobs
- Michael_techie
brinnnnnng it sugar!!
- sofarsoShawn
Seriously? I thought you would have been lurking over here the whole time!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
As a wise FFer once said, "Welcome to the Wild Wild West"
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
hi guy
- sean percival
nice work... don't know if you really need it?
- Jeffrey T. Sooey
Just had to comment on Guy's first FriendFeed-originated post. I'm so excited! (yet not as excited as Alex it would seem)
- Jesse Stay
Welcome, sir.
- Louis Gray
Hello and welcome to FF :)
- WorldofHiglet
nice to see you post here.
- tomit
Welcome, indeed
- Brett Kelly
welcome on board. i expect your feedback / analyse in a few weeks :-9
- Laurent65
Welcome, Guy! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Really! I thought you invented it ;)
- Bulent Keles
Friendfeed consolidates most all of the other social networks into one feed and then echos it out to twitter also, for the masses. FF is a well developed web app! The bookmarklet and web widgets work very well.
- Keith Rowland
Enjoy the ride, pun intended!
- Toby Graham
from iPhone
and?
- Patrick Ostertag
u like it?
- Alemsah Ozturk
@ahsan you surely mean Wild Wide Web ;-)
- Yann Leroux
from iPhone
welcome Guy. I hope you use it frequently. It will be nice to see you around here.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
@Yann, that too ;)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
at last... welcome Guy :)
- Goktug Gedik
well welcome to friendfeed Guy!
- (jeff)isageek
Yes Welcome Guy, it's a good thing!
- Allen Harkleroad
After twitter of course again Guy :) welcome :) waiting for your great comments and sharings :)
- Taylan Demirkaya
How do you like it?
- Randy Allen Bishop
collectors item.. :-)
- John Serra
And that sums up FF"s problem: you can have a presence on it without ever being actually present.
- Ian Betteridge
but being present w/o watching/reading along to see comments makes it kind of a waste
- Susan Reynolds
from twhirl
This is literally the first time I've read a post by Guy Kawasaki made directly on friendfeed.
- Slippy "Threadsbane" Lane
Most excellent, welcome. Literally.
- DGentry
and it's about time.....! :)
- Charlie Anzman
wait, so this whole time the alltop twitterati were chosen by...who?
- David
I really didn't notice much because your twitter feed is included on my FF list - so its like you were already a FF user.
- Chris Jackson
Welcome! Check out ways to sync content here back to Twitter (bookmarks, google reader, etc) but also network in here :-)
- Courtney Engle
from iPhone
Welcome Guy. Hope to see more from you in FF..
- Murat Buyurgan
from iPhone
Welcome. Let's knock of twitter !
- Krishnamoorthy
Welcome to the feeding frenzy! Just wait till you discover Micah's great tools. :-D http://friendfeed.com/ffhacks
- April Russo (app103)
congrats Guy! I think you'll like it :)
- Glenn Hilton
This is """literally""" the first time I commented on your feed. As always, welcome to new users such as yourself. Self + for my improper use of air qoutes.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPod
Welcome.
- Pete Delucchi
from iPhone
as you can see, it is comment oriented. We expect you to read comments and reply.
- denizoktar
Welcome!!! Big hugs for u!!!! <3
- Magdalena Day
Aloha!
- Lisa Duhamel
that's funny.
- DanielthePoet
Glad you have you on FF. Welcome!
- Chris Gardner
Welcome, Guy- make sure to leave the door open behind you, there's a nice breeze!...
- Thom Kennon
Guy has anyone told you you look like Jet Li. Do you do any wushu by any chance ? :P
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
welcome to the dark side. we have conversations here ;)
- BEX
Where have you been? Great service here, hope to see you around more.
- jcunwired
No turning back now. The only question is what took so long?
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
WOW! welcome dude!
- Jason Pollock
you are going to love it here! watch out! Its great to have u here!
- Jason Pollock
Welcome, you'll have a lot of work to do setting things up but once you do you will realize it is an awesome tool!
- Brian
Yeah, FF rocks!
- Janice
Welcome Guy! Please introduce yourself. j/k
- AJ Batac
Welcome aboard. Enjoy your new status (AKA: Friendfeeder).
- Nir Ben Yona
Finally :)
- Ozkan Altuner
Guess you passed the 'new adopters' torch. Welcome to the jungle~
- Liza
woohoooo! stick around :)
- Frankie Warren
Guy, at least you don't have someone posting for you like other "celebrities" ;-) Good on you sir!
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
@Guy - welcome! FF is a great place to follow discussions and threads.
- Valeria Maltoni
welcome to FriendFeed Guy!
- MB Linder
Welcome :)
- Fatih Küçükbaltacı
It can be crazy at first but it's more robust than something like Twitter IMO
- David LaMorte
The water's fine, come on in ;)
- Clare Dibble
Welcome Guy...
- Mitchell Tsai
Welcome. Add some more stuff to your feed so we can really get to know you.
- Amani
I beg to differ: http://friendfeed.com/guykawa...
- Edward Zwart
Except Ed, it was via the bookmarklet, not directly into ff like this one...
- Janice
congratulations!
- Steve Borgman
welcome on board :)
- Muge Cerman
welcome to 2009 ;)
- Lee
Welcome aboard! FF rocks!
- dhamza
Dive in, the water is churning!
- LauraLee Dooley
Welcome to the party Mr. Kawasaki.
- David Damore
Bit late in the day aint ya? :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Guy, are you paying someone to write this for you?
- Joe
lmao @ J Deakins. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Better late than never!
- Donna Payne
A marketing master - cool ; )
- Mark Harai
welcome
- Jeremiah Owyang
Come on in, the water is fine!
- Sean Powell
Howdy!
- Jesse P. Luna
Welcome
- Peter Kelley
Welcome Guy
- Jose Luis Santos
I think you'll like it, Guy. Just stay away from that Robert Scoble character and you'll be fine ;)
- dougcoleman
ようこそ、FFへ。コメントしないと！と思いまして、コメントしました。
- Carloe Stamp
Welcome aboard.
- Richard Leiter
from iPhone
Invading FF now are ya? It is obvious everyone is excited about your entrance. Love ya on Twitter!
- Brady
This was so 20 hours ago, I'm no longer excited.
- Geoff Schultz
I only hope this results in something positive. Welcome, etc.
- Evil Librarian
Great More EGO's here
- johnpiercy
Interaction is good! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
@Janice oic
- Edward Zwart
It's about time! :P
- Joel Lovato
Meh. ya rookie!
- Robert Kenney
me too.. don't know what i'm doing.
- leslie mills
about damn time
- Brian Appleby
let the addiction begin
- Monique
twitter not enough visuals and too much clicking , i love ff!
- Wsvdesign
Funny thread and yes I read it!
- Myrna
Poor Myrna must be bored everyone pile into her feed and entertain her!
- Geoff Schultz
I'm listening to Howard Dean and Bill Frist discuss Healthcare on Charlie Rose after hearing John Bolton on Jon Stewart destroy my mood about Iran, nuclear and WW3
- Myrna
War is soooooo 20th century. They need to get with it.
- Geoff Schultz
You know there are always laggards.
- Myrna
you'll get addict'd
- Goktug Oguz
Don't worry Guy - you can spam links in here too :) haha, I mean welcome to Friendfeed :)
- Brian Wallace
Welcome!
- Fer Isella
Next you're going to tell us that you switched to Mac last month
- adam garrett
about time...welcome to FF!
- Freddie Benjamin
Welcome here, maybe it takes people like you to bring the finesse of FriendFeed to the world! (can't let @scobleizer do all the work on his own, can you?)
- Ruud van Wijngaarden
now figure a way to have my friendfeed autopost alltop content, maestro!
- adam garrett
I was slow too :-)
- Marco Raaphorst
hi! who are you?
- Terry O'Fee
from BuddyFeed
welcome
- Jacob
logically that's impossible, because i follow you on FF for quite a while now.
- adam garrett
@llort threadkill, not directly on FF, over twitter or somthing else
- Muge Cerman
congrats :D
- Ezgi Ceren I.
have you ever tried siberalem.com ? :)
- Yalcin Parmaksiz
That is classic! I actually just got started a little over a week ago myself.
- Chris Denker
I'm with ya.... just started this afternoon. So far, so good. :)
- Ben Daugherty
late to the conversation, but I do notice that this appearance by Guy was only a cameo *sigh*
- Susan Beebe
What take you so long ?
- TiTi
Lightning - The Big Picture - Boston.com - http://browneyes.soup.io/post...
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- Rick Cogley
nande korre? :)
- directeur
Aha! Nice pic :)
- directeur
I thought they looked liked they were looking for their lost poles.
- Rick Cogley
@browneyes @Rick spontaneous act of collective poetry? :) (you guys are great)
- minus-one
Er I guess!
- Rick Cogley
from iPhone
@browneyes. You R-O-C-K :)
- directeur
I love that someone with 18 followers just unfollowed me because she thinks I don't know how to use social media...
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That happens to me all the time.
- Robert Scoble
Does anyone "really" know how to use social media?
- David Damore
lol, that's hilarious!
- Melissa Cherry
Looks like Scoble beat me on getting the first comment ;)
- David Damore
It's the noobs like Guy who ruin it for the rest of us. :)
- Chris Foley
David - That's probably because you don't know how to use social media! ;-)
- Herb Hernandez
How do you even know that? You have almost 155K followers. How do you track who comes and goes, let alone their reason?
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris: ever hear of @replies? I see everything you say about me.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe you were really annoying and just posted link after link after link after link. Are YOU the example of what's correct in the world of social media? Is someone with 18 followers somehow wrong>
- Tyler Hurst
@Herb Hernandez Ouch ;) ;)
- David Damore
Scoble: Of course I've heard of @replies. Seems condescending for you to ask. Either way, Guy didn't say that's how he knew, so I asked rather than assumed.
- Chris Spizzirri
I personally AM willing to assume that Guy knows about @replies. Just saying...
- Chris Foley
Of course he does. We all do. But discounting someone with a limited number of followers smacks of condescension. Nice attitude.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: sorry, but sometimes that attitude is correct. Why does everyone's opinion count equally? And here it didn't seem to be condescension, but rather a blowback. Anyone who says they are unfollowing is being a jerk. Just unfollow quietly. Someone who says they are unfollowing intends to injure and SHOULD be met with condescension.
- Robert Scoble
Not only does Guy know how to use Social Media, so do the people who tweet for him!
- Garin Kilpatrick
Garin: that actually was Guy. When his staff tweets for him they include their initials after the Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
Here's an interesting argument: I agree mostly with Scoble here, but there is a communication issue in business today. Most people, when faced with a "bad" experience, they will simply discontinue patronizing that business. They will then tell all of their friends about the bad experience. This behavior creates a churn that's very difficult to track and understand. I personally love any...
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- Chris Foley
Robert - I agree with you in part. I hate people who announce they are unfollowing, but also can't stand people who then complain about that same thing. Guy did the near equivalent of what the first person did. Shouldn't we expect more from you popular kids?
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: no, we're human and we like lashing back just as much as anyone else does.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - okay, but we still can and should hold people like you, guy, brogan and others to a higher standard. It's just part of leading the charge.
- Tyler Hurst
Should we be thrusting the mantle of "role model" on these guys because they were here first, and caught fire?
- Chris Foley
Chris - oh heck no. Not role model. I don't think we should aspire to BE them, but we should expect more from them.
- Tyler Hurst
Chris: people with a big audience do have a bigger responsibility, yes. But then if we stop taking risks and stop being human we get boring and then we'll do no one any good. Personally Guy is making a point tonight. Those on Twitter are often full of crap and who said that people who are full of crap should be listened to, or engaged with, or even coddled? Anyway, I'm off to bed.
- Robert Scoble
um, I just wanted to Tweet to Guy that we're all talking about him over on his FriendFeed account. See ya!
- Robert Scoble
And that last statement is why most of us don't have to worry about Scoble fading out or becoming irrelevant. Nice.
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble, I don't expect anything more from you because you have a larger audience, but I do recognize (as you obviously also do) that you have a bigger opportunity for positive (or negative) impact. I like my leaders as real as can be, and that includes the occasional barking. Keep taking risks, and thanks to you and Guy for having your necks out there.
- Chris Foley
Thats amazing, saying that to guy with 154,953 Twitter followers
- Luis Torres
Hmmm. interesting conversation here. So, what really is Guy' problem? someone unfollowing him, or someone with ONLY 18 followers unfollowing him? seems to be the latter! I like how @scobelizer just generalized everyone on twitter as full of crap. Amazing!!!
- Ramesh Prabhu
Ramesh - I'm mostly full of crap. I have 2300ish followers. Does that make me important at all?
- Tyler Hurst
Luis - who cares about followers?
- Tyler Hurst
Scoble: I meant you were being condescending to me by asking if I knew about @replies. I expect Guys know about them also. Incidentally, your opinion (or the opinion of the other elites) is no better than anyone else's. Just because someone only has 18 followers doesn't mean they deserve your condescension, nor do they deserve it if they choose to announce the reason for their decision...
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- Chris Spizzirri
That'll teach ya ;)
- Cookenstein
Chris Spizzirri, don't you think you're taking that comment a little bit personally? What Scoble said to you seemed a bit tongue in cheek to me. But to you it was condescending, which means he's an a-hole (your words.) That's a pretty big character judgement made from one 4 word sentence.
- Chris Foley
and.... crickets from Scoble. Typical.
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris: I am potty training my two year old and responding to other things than your condescension.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I love how someone with a billion followers on twitter asks how to follow on FriendFeed :)
- Robert Higgins
Spizzirri - Hey, thanks for taking over the biggest douchebag in the thread from me! Some ppl's opinions ARE less important than others.
- Tyler Hurst
brush it off - you're the man!
- shaun mclane
Chris Foley, no the character judgement was not made from a 4 word sentence, but from the entire thread, and who do you think is making the character judgment here? who's making the assumption that someone with only 18 followers knows nothing? who's making the assumption that no on on twitter knows diddly squat? Gimme a break!
- Ramesh Prabhu
Scoble: Try paying attention to your kid and ignore the internets for a minute. OK? Also, try being less arrogant.
- Chris Spizzirri
@Chris Foley: No I don't. He was being condescending. Read the whole thread.
- Chris Spizzirri
It's so cute that Spizzirri gets so mad at Scoble.
- Tyler Hurst
@Tyler: You're welcome, and you've proven your own point! Well done!
- Chris Spizzirri
@Tyler: What's it like being a Scoble fanboy?
- Chris Spizzirri
I did read the whole thread (Chris Spizzirri and Remesh Prabhu). I've been in since the 5th comment. I don't see people being condescending here. I see people airing their opinions. I also see you and Remesh putting words into the mouths of others. If I disagree with you, am I also condescending? Chris Spizzirri seems to me to be looking for a fight here, he's now lashing out and...
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- Chris Foley
@Chris - WTF are you talking about? Now you're going after me? Man, you're a dick!
- Tyler Hurst
I don't like being condescended to, that's what's under my skin. How is Scoble asking me if I've ever "heard of @replies" not condescending? If I'm on FF, it's safe to assume I know about and understand Twitter. Moreover, as I pointed out, Guy never said he knew from an @reply--Scoble assumed that. I was just asking a question, but got his smarmy reply.
- Chris Spizzirri
It takes arrogance to tell me to stop being arrogant.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Tyler - "It's so cute that Spizzirri gets so mad at Scoble" and "Spizzirri - Hey, thanks for taking over the biggest douchebag in the thread from me! Some ppl's opinions ARE less important than others." How again are you surprised that I don't like you?
- Chris Spizzirri
Chris, we're clearly very different guys here. If Scoble ribs me, I'm going to rib him back. I'm not going to get all bent out of shape, and get angry, and in getting angry, become a bigger jerk in retaliation than he was being in the first place. When I see you getting all pissed of because of some opinion that a stranger has, I have to wonder what is wrong with you, not wrong with that stranger and his silly opinion.
- Chris Foley
Stop being arrogant, Robert Scoble! No? Alright. You can stay as you are.
- Jason Huebel
@Scoble: "It takes arrogance to tell me to stop being arrogant." I don't agree. How do you figure?
- Chris Spizzirri
Um @Chris, hate to break it to you, but Scoble's first comment wasn't condescending toward you, he was trying to make a point. I never said I was surprised, I just said you were a dick. Thanks for helping degrade the conversation!
- Tyler Hurst
people are people so why should it be you and i should get along so awfully
- Robert Higgins
It takes arrogance to disagree with someone who is arrogant too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I disagree with that statement :)
- Chris Saad
Chris Tyler is right. You are overreacting to my prod.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Could be that the person with only 18 followers has a kind of native wisdom we all might learn something from, hey? ;-)
- Kathy Fitch
Scoble seems to be in a bunch of flamewars and arguments lately, like, within the last month. I think it's all a big experiment.
- Eric Florenzano
@Chris Foley: Fair enough, but things that Scoble says get under my skin more than someone else because of his stature. I think his comment was rude. If you had said that to me I likely wouldn't have paid any mind, but when Scoble treats people like that it's different. Whether he likes it or not, he's made himself an ambassador here, and wisecracks to newcomers aren't very diplomatic....
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- Chris Spizzirri
Yawn. All this over someone unfollowing Guy.
- Rick Cogley
You started it by not understanding how I could see everything said about me. That demonstrated you haven't learned about how @ replies work. That is all.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scoble: "It takes arrogance to disagree with someone who is arrogant too." You've just restated what you said before, but you haven't explained. I understand what you are saying: I must be arrogant to say that you are. What's the basis for your claim: "It takes one to know one"? Do you have something more substantial?
- Chris Spizzirri
@Chris Spizzirri. Thanks for your last explanation. I appreciate that kind of straight communication. I find that a lot more productive than when we resort to finger pointing and name calling. I also don't disagree with you there.
- Chris Foley
Chris: don't you get I am just poking you?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Why don't boy fights ever involve anything interesting, like jello or something. Sigh.
- Kathy Fitch
2 X Chris UFFFFFFFF
- Johni Fisher
@Tyler - Pretty sure the sentence "Now you're going after me?" indicates surprise, but thanks for calling me a dick without provocation. Boy, this is my first real foray into a FF conversation, and it sure seems like mob mentality dominates.
- Chris Spizzirri
Kathy: those are on my pay-per-view channel. Chris: geesh, two people are now a mob? And +I+ am arrogant?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Whipped cream could also work.
- Kathy Fitch
No @Chris, you just don't understand how to participate in a threaded conversation with multiple people. It's not personal until you make it. Learn to banter. Learn to see beyond the literal definition. LIGHTEN UP. @kathy, how about something manly, like caramel?
- Tyler Hurst
I dunno, Robert, some things just can't be purchased, but must emerge naturally. Or so I think.
- Kathy Fitch
But I like red jello. Just FYI.
- Kathy Fitch
As it happens, caramel could totally work. Is butterscotch manly? It does have "scotch" in it.
- Kathy Fitch
Okay, the value of this thread has petered out for me. Thanks all for sticking with it. And Kathy, thanks for making me hungry.
- Chris Foley
@Foley did you say you're UNFOLLOWING our conversation? The other @Chris might see that as condescending. Please apologize.
- Tyler Hurst
@Scoble - again with the condescension. I know how @ replies work. I already said that. Guy didn't say that's how he knew, so I asked how he knew. You started it by assuming it was via @ reply. I sure hope this is an experiment of your's (as someone suggested above), and that you're not really this much of a jerk to people who disagree with you. I've had a boat load of fun here in FF...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Any time, Chris. Robert, I suggest posting a sample on B43. That would go viral, for sure.
- Kathy Fitch
@Chris, if your friends are anything like you, we'll all be sure to ridicule them.
- Tyler Hurst
Spizzirri: I looked again at this thread and all I see is YOUR condescension. Geesh. I have explained what I meant and you just turned up the heat hotter. Why?
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Alright, I'm at a disadvantage, because FF stops updating the thread and I miss out on replies while I'm typing. Replies that would be enlightening. @Scoble - maybe I was being too sensitive, but you should be more aware of how the things you write are interpreted. Sarcasm is the most difficult thing to convey in writing and is prone to misinterpretation. I didn't come here to get in a...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Well everyone do what they can. If you think like this about someone who has only 18 followers, then she was maybe right to unfollow you. On the number of followers you judge someone? But you shouldn't :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Chris: I have no idea whether you are a newbie or not. If you are met with an arrogant (to you) reply the RIGHT answer is to ask questions and explain yourself, not to start throwing bombs.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Ryo: hint. Guy was making a bigger point than the number of followers.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
you are the leper of social media... mmmm (where's the savior?)
- Jeffrey T. Sooey
It depends on your definition of 'use', I suppose.
- Will Higgins™
@Scoble- I did ask questions and explain myself. How arrogant of you to tell me what the "RIGHT answer" is despite constantly saying 'no one is a social media expert.' I guess you've decide you are now, huh? I have a right to say I thought your reply was rude. What gives you the right to tell me how to interact with ppl here? This is no different than a conversation in person, and I can...
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- Chris Spizzirri
Spizzirri... When an argument flares up, the wise man quenches it with silence. @scoble is prodding you, and not going to be silent. How about you? I know I am ;)
- Ramesh Prabhu
No jello, yet? (Drumming fingers and yawning.)
- Kathy Fitch
Kathy I just blocked that dude so we can bring out the jello.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Ramesh - I'm evidently not very wise, but I'm going to take your advice. I think I'm guilty of assuming that Scoble would be better than an average person because he's in a position of prominence. That's my mistake. I apologize for my faulty assumption and for ruining this thread. Good night.
- Chris Spizzirri
He blocked me. What a jerk. I hope this is a lesson to anyone as naive as I was 2 hours ago--Scoble, at least, feels entitled in this space to your deference. Be wary of questioning him or anything he says.
- Chris Spizzirri
lolwut
- Rodfather
Rodfather: what flavor of jello would you like to throw at me? I am throwing lime.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Who are you exactly ? Are you familiar with Twitter, FF and other ICQ ? :-)
- Pierre-Olivier Carles
Yay--no orange, that's all I ask. It's a childhood thing--long and painful story. Suffice it to say that it would utterly destroy the moment. Lime, though, is a good thing.
- Kathy Fitch
If I had jello, I'd be nom'ing it right now. Mandarin orange jello sounds good right now.
- Rodfather
Rodfather: that is why I picked lime. I don't like that flavor and would rather throw it. By the way, I have blocked that Chris dude to save him the pain of having to deal with me.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Always someone who insists on orange. I'm wounded to the very core.
- Kathy Fitch
Grinning and throwing orange jello at Rodfather.
- Kathy Fitch
I question @Scoble's decision to waste perfectly good lime jello. @kathy, i have cherry. FIGHT!
- Tyler Hurst
I just utterly approve of edible weaponry.
- Kathy Fitch
Wow! This thread just became a microcosmic example of why there will always be social and political factions! One seemingly humorous (and innocent) comment is attributed with all sorts of vile motivations, and then those supposed motivations are constructed into a "villain" born of their own attitude, and then the "villain" manufactured by their own imagination is in turn attacked because they don't like the image they're projecting onto him/her/it ... amazing, just amazing! *shakes head and walks away*
- Mark Jepsen
I find it hilarious that Chris Spizzirri is an attorney.
- Tyler Hurst
Tyler: throw some lime jello at him for me!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
At the ER with my wife. Glad I have something to entertain me for the 3+ hours it has been thusfar.
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
an attorney who studies Zen, no less.
- Chris Foley
@herb, glad to have helped entertain, I hope you and your wife are okay?
- Chris Foley
you guys
- Paul Greer
Ha!
- Charlie Anzman
# of followers has nothing to do with your understanding of social media. I think some people who claim they know how to use it think its just for spamming and promotion.
- Thac0
I think there is some danger of flooding the zone with tweets. Think about it from a person following just a small handful of people on twitter. If one person is supplying 95% of the tweets they get, it's likely to be really frustrating.
- Trent Hamm
Circles of color - http://www.dahlstroms.com/2009...
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http://twitpic.com/avk46 - the most geekiest T-shirt I ever got
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Wow, Twitter has really become a repository of spammers, cheap marketers, and porn. It's like -- the web!
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Yeah anything on the internet is infected by other known things (porn, spammers, crooks, bad music, juvenile humor) on the internet.
- CW™
Official Google Reader Blog: Following, liking and people searching - http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2009...
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"Today, we're pleased to announce that we've made four improvements to give you more sharing control and help you easily find other people's publicly shared items within Reader."
- Atul Arora
from Bookmarklet
I just can't find the new features in my reader. I also don't know how to get Google friends. I have one friend. One, measly little Google friend who happens to actually be my son's friend and so we don't really talk. I tried to find the button to invite friends. Can't find it. Do they have to sign up for GMail, or what?
- Kimber Scott
I don't like this idea at all. Good thing I've stopped sharing articles in Google Reader last March :-)
- Miguel Caetano
I think this is great, but there may be a few bugs. If you see that others have liked an article you like, you can click on those users to get an idea of what they share. If you like what they share, you can then "follow" them. However, I've "followed" a few people and they either don't show up or make other users disappear. There also seems to be some Twitter-like feature I may not...
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- Jack
I'd also like to see if this makes it way into the mobile version. I can see whether or not people liked an article, but I don't see something to let me "like" an article. They should replace the star with like.
- Jack
Moopz - Aggregating and Augmenting FriendFeed Conversations - http://moopz.com/
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very interesting app you got there.
- Rob Diana
Interesting indeed. Are you scanning the entire public feed or just specific users/rooms?
- Yuval Atzmon
One bug I've found: When you type a comment in to the Moopz interface and hit enter, it goes to the next line instead of activating the 'post' button. Confusing.
- Phil G
@atzmon, Moopz tracks specific users and only certain services (the users are the ones that the "Moopz" FF user has subscribed to. The list started with a small list of top conversation starters, but Moopz will subscribe to everyone who logs in via Moopz. To be honest, I am not sure how this approach will work out, but I am intrigued to find out. ;)
- Moopz
@J. Phil, thanks for the bug report. I will look into that. I should also try to setup the handy expandy-textarea feature of FF where the comment box gets bigger if your comment is longer than one line...
- Moopz
Are you planning to add search features? And can you tell a little bit about the person or people behind moopz?
- Yuval Atzmon
@atzmon, I just added a search feature. I am the person behind Moopz. I do Internet marketing, SEO, Movable Type plugin development and more...
- Mark Carey
Nice site dude! keep rocking.
- ◄ani625Ξ
Moopz or Mark - I like Moopz. I have tried them all now. I would want a tab that had all the features of Moopz but only looked at my subscriptions. Great work!
- Russellreno
BTW I tried search early this morning and it worked well as I recall. The tag cloud is a good addition, but I just proves once again that these sites are 1st tech sites. Instead of the My Friends tab you could do a Food, Music, Celebrity, Politics, Sports tab as an interim step.
- Russellreno
Nice one...I always thought that friendfeed had its own inhouse fragmented conversations...can't wait till you make a personalised version, unless FF beat you to it...and conversations by topic make this the new technorati tags (well a machine tag version)
- John Tropea
Much cleaner interface than techmeme.
- Tabrez Iqbal
This is great!
- Jacob
Cool stuff, I love the idea of how likes are comments, forcing you to discuss. Good way to really auto-fill the documents ;p
- ElijahBailey-Zu of FF <0,
You have a script error on moopz when you do search in tags http://moopz.com/tag/amazon
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Thank you Igor! Now fixed. Unfortunately it looks like the error was there since June 2 .... argh ;)
- Moopz
Moopz is FriendFeed's Techmeme :-) I'm liking it.
- Miguel Caetano
So My Journalists/News Peeps should weigh in here. Does this MOOPZ service limit the openness of your friendfeed by hearling only what the majority of folks are talking about?, eg. like the 6 o'clock local evening news aggregates what is "hot" topics that appeal to locals? This could be a great simplifier for the newscasters, but also make their content less interesting.
- derikp
Moopz, great, that is how you build a good company. Good luck!
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Derik, since Moopz gathers info from friendfeed, and does not intrude on my personal account, it does not limits the openness of my personal of "my" friendfeed. It *might* serve as a way for non-friendfeed users to consume ff content without the need to join and jump into the stream.
- Kevin Sablan
7 Ways FriendFeed Could Better Engage the Flickr Community - http://thomashawk.com/2009...
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My friend Robert Scoble has a blog post out talking about the reasons why FriendFeed is not seeing the sort of growth that Twitter and Facebook are. Personally I consider FriendFeed to be a vastly superior platform to both Facebook and Twitter, but it is interesting noting that it does not seem to be getting the traction of these other services. That said, I think that there is a huge opportunity for FriendFeed to better engage a very large existing community that is Flickr and to offer power user sort of tools for Flickr’s most active users. I’ve already written in the past about how I think the existing version of FriendFeed represents a superior way for people to browse Flickr than Flickr itself, but I think that FriendFeed could go a lot further and could definitely attract more (and super active) Flickr users if they improved things even more. So this list represents seven ways that I think FriendFeed could build a better way to engage with the Flickr Community. It should be...
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- Thomas Hawk
I gave up browsing Flickr when I found FriendFeed well over a year ago. I have many, many groups for browsing photography on FriendFeed. In particular my Flickr Photography group: http://friendfeed.com/flickr-...
- Kol Tregaskes
Agree about importing your Flickr contacts, been asking for that for eons. Similar request for importing non-FF Twitter friends would be cool too. I've manually added my favourite Flickr photographers, a chore, so an automated feature would be most welcome.
- Kol Tregaskes
Freind Feed is great at being Freind Feed and Flickr is great at being Flickr
- Kevin J Hatton
Quick tip if you do import your Flickr streams as a custom RSS into FF, use Ivan's Feed-Buster: http://feed-buster.appspot.com/ to get larger thumbnails.
- Kol Tregaskes
Kevin I disagree. Both are great services for what they are. But Flickr no longer innovates. They are a static service sort of on autopilot. There's a need for power users to grow beyond what Flickr currently offers and fortunately Flickr has a robust API where these users can flock to things like greasemonkey scripts and FriendFeed to improve their Flickr experience. People like Kol...
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- Thomas Hawk
Agree with point 6 too. That would be cool. Also the ability to separate Flickr user's favourites and their own photos would be most welcome. I like to have a group for each separately.
- Kol Tregaskes
I actually wish FF would not import Flickr photos in batches. They wouldn't do that with any other kind of imported media, and I think it makes it difficult to have any sort of engaging discussion around photos on FriendFeed.
- Michael Hocter
how would you suggest they import flickr photos instead Michael?
- Thomas Hawk
Point 7 sounds interesting. The saved searches are OK but the Best of Day/Week/Month feature would be great for this if it worked on searches.
- Kol Tregaskes
One at a time, just like they do any other feed item. I understand why this would be a pain for Flickr favorites and people who post in huge batches at a time, but most of us only post a few photos at a time.
- Michael Hocter
I like being able to see the Flickr favorites of other FFers since I find new and interesting Flickr users that way, much more than I do through Flickr itself. I don't mind having them come in batches. A particularly interesting photograph can always be given its own post.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Michael, I'm OK with that, what annoys me though is when it imports a batch, you go fave more then it reimports them and removes the old import with all the comments and likes. I'd like to fave a batch of pics, force a redresh, then fave some more then force another refresh and have both these come in as separate batches.
- Kol Tregaskes
I guess I think showing photos one at a time would be super noisy. For someone like me who imports about 300 photos into Flickr a week this would mean 300 separate entries on FriendFeed. I think that would detract from the overall FF user interface and experience. I think they are doing the batch posting fine now, but it's just that they are doing it backwards and opposite of how flickr shows photos on Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, use an RSS feed of your stream with he Feed-Buster service, that's exactly what you're after.
- Kol Tregaskes
Having Flickr photos come one at a time would be really annoying, at least for me. It would crowd out everything else in my feeds.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Thomas, like my stream from vi.sualizue.us? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Another feature I'd like: In search, I wish I could separate Flickr uploads from Flickr favorites. I prefer to talk to the people who actually take and upload the photos, but when you search, the majority of photos you see are from Flickr favorites.
- Michael Hocter
Kol, your vi.sualizue.us stream rocks!
- Thomas Hawk
Michael, agree. I've never been able to separate the two.
- Kol Tregaskes
Hehe, thanks Thomas. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Michael I agree with that idea as well. I think maybe the two can be one by default, but give users an option to split them if they want. I'd much rather be able to view the two independently.
- Thomas Hawk
As the open version of Facebook, Ff needs to develop these relationships and fast. Facebook wants you to use their picture storage, their blog engines, their music addons, keeping you inside the Facebook walls. Ff just as Thomas says, NEEDS to show that they can build something better by letting everyone decide which stand alone services serve their needs best, and all these can be...
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- Matthew DeVries
@Michael - yes! I prefer to know which are faves and which are posts.
- JA Castillo
There are many ways FF could be improved to help us photo-happy people (and most features would benefit the community in general), such as the ability to search for entries with pictures *only* (on it's way I believe), search by date/time, be able to search by selective imported feeds, e.g. I cannot search for my vi.sualize.us images only, etc.
- Kol Tregaskes
FF could even go further and let you sign into flickr and then you can like and comment and it flows back to flickr
- Phill Price
hear hear Phill
- Thomas Power
It would be pretty slick if I could hover over a photo on FF and fave it on flickr. I think that would take more than basic API stuff though.
- Thomas Hawk
@Phill - that would be too much!! I would never leave FF! :)
- JA Castillo
For me, FriendFeed needs to improve for new users. For instances the suggested users list is not the way to go and the lack of introduction to the service's features upon registration is virtually non-existent. When a new user has completed registration it needs a quick and simple Flash anim to demonstrate FF's basic features (an adapted version of one of Ross' videos would be cool),...
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- Kol Tregaskes
Faving a Flickr photo on FF would be super!!
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, exactly. ;-) But that lies the problem, Flickr perhaps wouldn't want that?
- Kol Tregaskes
The suggested users list on FF definitely needs to incorporate activity and not just popularity. That's a whole other subject though.
- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, yep. Sorry going off in all directions. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I suspect Flickr could be resistant to some of these ideas. After all, attention on the internet is a zero sum game and making FF that much better for hardcore flickr users could siphon off traffic from them. Still, I bet a bunch of this could be done through the API as it stands now.
- Thomas Hawk
I prefer to see at least a medium-sized version of a photo before I fave it, so I doubt I would fave through FF if such an option existed. Agreed with most of Thomas's seven suggestions.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
John, yep, bigger versions of the pics are needed, would that watch in the current batches?
- Kol Tregaskes
bigger versions would indeed rock. It would be nice to have a user setting though to either see small thumbnail photos are larger photos. This way the people who are not as interested in the photos as some of us could still choose to see them small. In fact small should probably be the default with a user option to view them larger instead.
- Thomas Hawk
I kind of like the thumbnail batches, and being able to choose which to click through. My comment was specifically about faves – it's hard to pick favorites from just thumbnails.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
Another thing I'd like to see changed (or at least be toggleable) is the feature what hides entries under 'more form <service>' on lists. I have lots of photo-related groups in one friends list and having them hidden like this is annoying. Also the hiding of the Flickr photos in the batches is annoying too. Personally I'd like this expanded all the time but a toggle would be nice. I appreciate this might be set-up as it is because of performance.
- Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
More user options for controlling the display of Flickr photos would be helpful.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I'm kind of disappointed in Friendfeed. Too much focus on competing with Twitter, and not enough on what was originally the core idea of aggregating services. And sadly they've de-emphasized service integration so much that I wonder if they'll even keep doing it, let alone improve the integration. And Flickr, for that matter, sucks too - Thomas hit the nail on the head above, Flickr has...
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- Eric P
Eric, I think you're right about Flickr. Flickr's mostly been laying people off these days. They laid off designer George Oates, Engineer Rev Dan Catt, and lots of the other original talent there has left, Cal Henderson, Stewart Butterfield, Eric Costello, Kakul Srivastava recently left the helm of the site as well to work on other things at Yahoo. The last innovative thing that they...
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- Thomas Hawk
Thomas, thanks for taking the time to write this up
- Bret Taylor
Bret, you're welcome. I think you guys have the best opportunity to drive a lot more Flickr users over here.
- Thomas Hawk
Love the new logo, lol
- Zachary TG
Hey TH, as always, great ideas from you about improving FriendFeed. I've always felt it's a great adjunct to Flickr. Personally, my social community isn't here (can't get them to join), so FF isn't as useful for me as I'd like it to be (or as it is for people like you and Scoble, etc). Friendbinder is what I've been using to navigate my Flickr contacts (it auto-pulls them all in, and...
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- Criz
Hey Criz, thanks. I'd obviously love to see more innovation via flickr come through FF and especially directly at flickr. Good to know that you guys are working on more than just new buttons. In terms of hiring, the only hire that I'm aware of Flickr announcing in the last year or so (unless I missed it somewhere) was zycster in the "abuse" "customer care" "censorship" bureau vs. the...
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- Thomas Hawk
I still think Google Reader is the most convenient way of browsing Flickr photostreams. I'm testing Feedly for this at the moment and it's doing a quite good job as well.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, film was quite a big new feature on Flickr too.
- Rutger Blom
Rutger, I suppose, adding video was a feature, unfortunately though I think that it was a feature at odds with the flickr community that many in the community saw as more of a negative than a positive. There was a pretty strong and vocal group opposing adding video on Flickr. I've only ever used video on Flickr once (ironically yesterday). Here again, videos are crippled to 90 seconds...
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- Thomas Hawk
I think FF on the other hand has offered us already fairly substantive improvements to the Flickr experience. Being able to see *all* of your flickr contact's photos vs. only the most recent 1 or 5 is huge. So is letting us see our contacts faves. Ideally though we'd get continued innovation from both Flickr AND outside developers like FF building on the Flickr API to best improve the...
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- Thomas Hawk
Yes, but the seeing *all* of your flickr contact's photos can be accomplished in any RSS feed reader really. Has little to do with FriendFeed.
- Rutger Blom
Thomas, I am zyrcster, and I am not on abuse :) And I think you'll enjoy what's coming down the pike. I hope so, anyway.
- Criz
Ah, ok, zyrcster. Hopefully it's something good. I thought you were part of the moderation/customer service / abuse/ censorship dept based on the thread in flickr help. I should re-read that thread. Hard to know who's who on the flickr staff when flickr codes the public "about flickr" staff page to purposely hide staff members from me personally. I hope that coding project didn't take much time away from all that innovation going on over there.
- Thomas Hawk
from iPhone
Rutger, Flickr RSS feeds only contain public, "safe" photos... definitely not all of my contacts' photos
- Michael Hocter
Hmm, never knew that, there should be 2 versions of the feed then so we can choose.
- Kol Tregaskes
In fact, I can't even get a decent RSS feed of my own photos out of Flickr because many of them are not "safe"
- Michael Hocter
Or is there an issue from Flickr's point of perspective having such content go outside it's site?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I think it's because they can't authenticate who you are or what your preferences are through RSS
- Michael Hocter
I see. They could have a password protection/authenticated feed but FF doesn't support such feeds.
- Kol Tregaskes
LOL, Mrsth, that's over censoring stuff!
- Kol Tregaskes
that is actually a problem on Flickr's end. They've been censoring your RSS feed now for years. They won't allow any content deemed "adult" to be sent out of Flickr via RSS. It's incredibly stupid in my opinion. I'd love to be able to subscribe to Merkely's nudes (which very much are fine art) for instance and even though I've checked on Flickr that I'm an adult and want adult content...
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- Thomas Hawk
haha, actually Kol that was me. I was accidentally logged in as my wife though, just got home and was using the home computer.
- Thomas Hawk
What happened there? Posting from your wife's acount? ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Ah, hehe!!
- Kol Tregaskes
Now the thread reads oddly. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol, I don't know about you, but I really wish vi.sualize.us would implement FF's SUP or FF spider those streams more often. I end up having to manually get FF to pull them in after I've favorited a bunch or it takes *forever* for them to finally be pulled into the FF stream.
- Mark Philpot
I've not really checked my vi.sualize.us groups, is there a delay in importing?
- Kol Tregaskes
you certainly can easily add a photo as a favourite through the api - all you need is the photo id and the user to have given ff a token by signing in... http://www.flickr.com/service...
- Phill Price
Ah, I did have an issue with my watchlist from vi.sualize.us. I notified them and they checked it and it started working. Are you having problems, Mark?
- Kol Tregaskes
How recent was this? I've just been in the habit of manually refreshing my vi.sualize.us feed. Next time I'll try letting FF get it on it's own and see how long it takes.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, a few weeks ago. I'd buzz them on their site and let them know you are having problems too. Works fine for me atm but they said they are keeping an eye on it.
- Kol Tregaskes
BTW, people on this thread might be interested in this group for vi.sualize.us most popular entries feed: http://friendfeed.com/visuali.... It seems to import dups a lot, which is a problem but it's not a huge issue.
- Kol Tregaskes
So I can now check vi.sualize.us on FF too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Thomas, could probably do something similar for your Zooomr too. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
I just added six to my vi.sualize.us favorites... I'll see how long it takes for them to get imported. -- And a note to any FF developers on this feed -- Please implement a "Comment" link at the bottom of the comments. Especially for long comment streams, it's a pain to have to scroll up to the top to add a new comment.
- Mark Philpot
Mark, OK, any issue go to the vi.sualize.us, they'll help you out. It's their feed after all. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
If you authenticate with the Flickr API you can get at the "unsafe" photos, FYI. But that would require a deeper level of integration that Friendfeed offers today.
- Eric P
Michael, I think that's quite logical and good actually. All hell would break loose if Flickr allowed access to porn via its feeds. The solution is authenticated RSS feeds in case things would stop working all together here at FriendFeed if you are not creating an imaginary friend for every Flickr contact that is.
- Rutger Blom
+1 faving a Flickr photo on FriendFeed
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
FF is not seeing the growth other services are seeing because it is not designed for the casual, non-technical user the way flickR, Twitter, and Facebook are. An average person can "walk up" to any of those three services and get them almost immediately. By "get them" I don't mean that they understand deeply/optimally how or why to use them but that they can readily get their heads...
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- Anthony Citrano
I think even for a lot of above average users FriendFeed is too obscure.
- Rutger Blom
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Zang! wonder how fast he was going to make that a reality.
- John Blanton
FriendFeed now 6x more awesomer with themes - FriendFeed Blog - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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I'm a Blue Wave man myself.
- Bret Taylor
Nice, but I think I like the Classic style the best. :) When can designers submit more themes, or users upload their own?
- Pistos
That wouldn't have anything to do with Google Wave, now would it?
- Daniel Sims
Who would believe that *I* would be using the "Flowers" theme? :)
- Ana
Helvetica
- Christopher Chung
Pistos: user submitted themes are coming soon.
- Bret Taylor
Pistos: It's in the blog post. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
I prefer to keep things Fresh
- Dan Hsiao
oooooh boy!!
- Micah Wittman
Nice! how much control over theming when user submitted comes out? Twitter-like? more? Sharable?
- Justin Hart
Helvetica for now.
- Jimminy
Whoops, didn't even see that there's a blog post. Sorry. :)
- Pistos
Justin: most of that (user submitted, shareable, etc) is coming, this is just a first step.
- Bret Taylor
Awesome.
- Justin Hart
thank you jesus
- Sarah Perez
This is awesommeee!!
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks :)
- Tracy Benham
Nice
- Kreg Steppe
*awesome* I <3 Helvetica!
- Sparky Crocker
Helvetica for sure!
- Burcu Dogan
This was all due to Kevin's (http://friendfeed.com/kfury) hard work in case it wasn't obvious. Great job, Kevin!
- Bret Taylor
Looks like I signed on just in time today.
- Yolanda
Thanks guys. Rockin Helvetica for now. Needs the FF logo though.
- Andrew Smith
Helvetica for now.
- Darryl
This post came when I was thinking how FF logo is a Twitter look-like. Dont change the Helvetica version!
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks.. but I'm not a big "theme" guy... I'd rather see updates to the API... I guess I should be hammering Ben for that :)
- Tim Hoeck
ohhhhh snap!
- Nathan Chase
Niiiiceeeee.
- Simon Wicks
I chose Fresh!
- David Schmidt
It became clear as soon as the FriendFeed Themes room was taken over.
- Andrew Trinh
Awesome!
- Frankie Warren
thank you!
- Alfredo
Do any of the feeds have the highlight options of AJ's theme? Or the Service Favicons from Micah?
- Matthew DeVries
Very nice. Like the Helvetica myself for the moment, but that will probably change in a week or two.
- Alex Hellstrom
Helvetica! awesome. BTW, pause button is clipped by a couple of pixels on WebKit browsers.
- Kelly Norton
Nice one, though we need more themes...
- Kaan Ertürk
+1 to Helvetica!
- Joel Webber
Helvetica is loveable but I wish it was white, black and red instead of being just 1-bit.
- Berk D. Demir
sorry guys. my helvetica edition more beauty :) http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Burak Dönertaş
haha :) thanx for that.
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
helvetica ;)
- Faruk Kaymak
@Burak, yup, more beauty ♥
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
Yeah, great job bro. i like the Helvetica edition
- Simto Alev
"Bamboo" suggests there's a picture, but all I see is brownish colours, at that don't match the friendfeed logo.
- Peter
I like "fresh"
- Peter
I like Blue Wave. Fresh should be the default theme and the Classic should be dumped. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
MIcah says his scripts still work with the themes btw: http://ff.im/4DlX9
- Kol Tregaskes
OMG LOVE!!!
- BEX
Perhaps post your favourite theme and whether you like or dislike the themes in the new *official* FF-Themes group here: http://ff.im/4DluG :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Peter, there should be an image inthe lower right corner. What browser/OS are you using? Thanks!
- Kevin Fox
this is great!
- Joe Pestro
Be Gone Grey!
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Blue Wave for me :) - Great work FF!
- Roy Herrod
You guys flippin ROCK
- BEX
Why are they all so girly?
- Gabe
@Kevin Fox: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070725 Firefox/2.0.0.6
- Peter
I'm with Gabe: after considering BlueWave, I went with Helvetica, everything else is just girly. I might just stick with my 'stylish' hacks.
- Joel Bennett
Yea, flowers and stuff are annoying. Helvetica version should be improved for better spacing.
- Burcu Dogan
Thanks, Kol, that's what I was going to ask - if themes conflict with scripts. Sounds like it's cool - heading off to choose one now. I have one stylish userrstyle script and two greasemonkey scripts applied to friendfeed. We'll see if they can all play nice.
- Laura Norvig
Laura, how'd it go?
- Rochelle
works great - I'm trying helvetica now. It's super clean because I have avatars removed. Me likey.
- Laura Norvig
cool... when is that nasty orange "ParisLemon" theme comin? :P
- Susan Beebe
This'll make it prettier when I'm using Chrome anyway. :) I think I'll stick with the Stylish scripts and hacks on Firefox, though - I like the typography modifications they provide. When user-generated themes come in, will they be able to modify the typography/spacing, or just the background and colors? Thanks for the options, guys!
- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Thanks Bret. Hel-vet a lot better.
- E-Advocate Network
Thanks Bret, I love the Helvetica theme, btw, your new avatar is awesome:)))
- K.D.
Helvetica. WIN
- Jamie
Tres cool.
- Jason Toney
It's good that ugliness is no more reason #1 to stop connecting. Next I would like to have is d&d to sort out friends in categories
- Michele Costabile
Helvetica... Minimalism. Thank you! :D
- Brandon
Thanks, FF team!
- Anne Bouey
Good stuff! Thanks!
- Rick Cogley
Great!
- Shun Fukuzawa
from twhirl
Helvetica! Clean:)
- Dave
Try this Helvetica - http://userstyles.org/styles...
- ThenWang
Bret, BIG MAHALO for the themes! I'm going Hawaiian! Check me out! http://friendfeed.com/AlohaAr...
- Arleen Anderson
Helvetica definitely :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Flowers & Butterfly Corner are good,but a little bit girl stuff.Any good theme for a guy?
- Steve Chou
YAY!
- Alli Worthington
Coolness!
- Ron Bailey
I like the Helvetica, who created it?
- Juvenn Woo
Sorry, but were there no "real" designers to push out some mindblowing themes? It´s just a change of color and background?
- Hans Kainz
Like those themes. Would be nice though, if they also show up if someone visits my page. Or does it?
- Sven
When I click your name, Sven, I get the bamboo theme, which is what I chose. If you have chosen a different theme from that, we know it just remembers yours. It seems to work differently from twitter.
- Rick Cogley
It's Helvetica for me!
- Rui Pires
I think i'm going bamboo...
- diego morelli
Helvetica all the way! I feel like the nytimes.com
- Liviu Barbat
@Rick: Thanks. I get the idea. The twitter concept would be nice though. Like personalized version of the FF page. Now, if there were archive links now.....
- Sven
Finally! I'll go with freeeeesh!:)
- Patrik Johansson
Drawings - set on flickr
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FriendFeed Blog: You can now share files on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"To share files on friendfeed.com, simply click the "Files" link underneath the post box and select which files you want to include. You can also share files by including them as attachments on emails sent to share@friendfeed.com."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
That's the new hawtness!
- Alex Scoble
wow
- michael sean wright
whoa!
- vijay
SEKRIT PLANZ! MWA HA HA HA
- Josh Haley
Excellent news, thank you Bret and guys! :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
the game just changed
- chrisofspades
Haha! Nice...
- WorldofHiglet
nice
- endiaferon
This feature will help with using FF solely as a email mailing list.
- Kol Tregaskes
Now we just need page branding and some enterprise integration, and we can replace Sharepoint...
- sean andersen
Plus as a mail client too (kinda of anyway). I will have to get auto-forwarding my emails to my ff.com address again.
- Kol Tregaskes
yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes. i'm trying to be coherent but that's all that's coming up. Thanks... whats the file size limit?
- Frankie Warren
this has awesomesauce all over it
- Alfredo
is video an option?
- Zee.
We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff.
- Bret Taylor
Are the files public when accessed via direct link? Or do they require authentication?
- Mark Trapp
No video at the moment, Zee.
- Ross Miller
Bret, will this work for attachments sent to share@friendfeed.com?
- chrisofspades
So tell me, how will you send email verification emails to new users when FF has successfully replaced email? </paradox>
- nickrw
nice!
- Mike Bracco
So, no BluRay rips, then :p
- Josh Haley
Mark: right now they are public when access via direct link (though the links are not at all predictable).
- Bret Taylor
Yes, file attachments to share@friendfeed.com work as you would expect.
- Bret Taylor
Very Nice
- Brent - Long Live Rock
neat-o!
- Michelle
Bret - is music an option?
- Zee.
WIN
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Any other files that don't work with it?
- Kol Tregaskes
What's the file attachment size limit?
- imabonehead
Kol: i assume you can attach video? it just won't play in-line? or did i misinterpret that?
- Frankie Warren
@imabonehead, from Bret's comment above: "We have a rolling 24-hour limit for the number and size of files you can upload, but you probably shouldn't hit it unless you are sharing really big stuff."
- Dan Hsiao
@Dan, thx
- imabonehead
Liked Liked Liked (*99999) "You can now share files on FriendFeed" This is.. GREAT!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Frankie, video attachments aren't currently supported
- Dan Hsiao
Frankie, Ross says no to video, see above.
- Kol Tregaskes
MP3s?
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: there is a stricter limit on audio files (3 per day).
- Bret Taylor
Yay, no more rapidshare! :)
- Kaan Ertürk
OK, but any format?
- Kol Tregaskes
I tried it with both a txt and a rar file but neither seemed to work (the message was posted without a file attached). [Update: works now for me]
- Philipp Lenssen
Gonna give a big W00T!! to this before I even read the whole thing...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
LOL, Tina.
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!
- Roberto Bonini
Perhaps we need a list of file types (and their limits) that are supported?
- Kol Tregaskes
pretty cool!
- Bryan Penczak
Tina++, Holy Crap! :)
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
music files work! awesome! example here http://friendfeed.com/fredyga...
- Alfredo
Bret: What about attachments to comments?
- sean andersen
Swwwweeeettttt!!!
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Now all I need is a number where I can call and leave a VM that gets changed into an audio file, and I can get rid of drop.io for good! Yeah, we're never happy are we? Sorry....
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Greatissimo :)
- Stanislas Jourdan
Bret, does animated GIFs now work btw?
- Kol Tregaskes
Thanks for the clarification on video :) how long will the files stay on the server?
- Frankie Warren
Tina - Perhaps if we leave a VM for the FriendFeed IM bot on Google Talk? That would rock.
- Mitch
Can we paste URLs into the box like we can for images?
- Kol Tregaskes
Seriously, guys, when and where do we start donating?
- Akiva Moskovitz
I'd prefer buying private shares, Akiva. :)
- Carlos Ayala
I think you can support them by buying the FF swags.
- imabonehead
cool
- Siavash
and sharing from URLs works! - http://ff.im/4o1RY
- chrisofspades
NIIIIIIIIIIICE
- Pedram
Pair this w/ a private room and you have instant office and/or project collaboration. Drop.io may have some competition. :)
- JA Castillo
JA, agree.
- Kol Tregaskes
Chris, cool. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
All we need now is a calendaring system and support for source code.
- imabonehead
mp3 sharing works in FriendFeed? Just when I'm thinking to share some 'musiclets' from time to time via Tumblr! mhh.. interesting, really!
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Thierry, yep MP3s are supported.
- Kol Tregaskes
this is awesome, i was literally just trying to do this last night on one of our team feeds and had to post links to published google docs instead. going to try it out now. it's like they read my mind.
- Mike Elliott
Kol...we use Drop.io all the time here at my office. This would be great as it is supremely simpler. But approved file types and sizes needs to be understood.
- JA Castillo
Mitch, that would be an option, but I can only imagine the opportunity for the wrong voice file to go to the wronge feed...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
And Akiva is right...where do we start donating?!
- JA Castillo
If we had basic HTML support for first comments on FF, it could almost be used for mail (at least for forwarding and reading mail to and on it).
- Kol Tregaskes
JA, a list of supported file types, limits and sizes is needed... please. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Cool stuff
- Tyson Key
Any limits on the number of times a file can be downloaded, per day, out of interest?
- Tyson Key
Reminds me of Pownce :) Great addition!
- Holger Eilhard
NaFFster! :)
- jcunwired
Does this mean that the days are numbered for various Pownce clones and Jaiku? Facebook, start your photocopiers! ;)
- Tyson Key
this is GREAT!
- Cee Bee
Now cue Facebook adding this feature in 3.. 2.. 1..
- Daniel Sims
Yay! Friendfeed is yet another step closer to complete emulation of IRC :)
- Victor Ganata
Hey Bret, are these virus-checked?
- Jordan Hofker
@Jordan - good question
- andy brudtkuhl
Jordan, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
The moment I read this I updated my AV program.
- jcunwired
Are the shared files located in the enclosure tag of the feed? And can we filter feeds by enclosure type?
- Cliff Gerrish
Jordan- yes, we virus scan them.
- Casey Muller
Cool, Casey. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Awesome, thanks Casey.
- Jordan Hofker
Cliff- only media files (images and audio) are included in feeds at this time.
- Casey Muller
Haha, Victor. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Uh, question two: how long before one of the **AA's gets all pissy? That would be sad. Is there a size limit?
- Jordan Hofker
search by file type?
- Jason Wehmhoener
Jason, good shout.
- Kol Tregaskes
Jordan - what is **AA's ??
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
This will go a long way in convincing some of my Yahoo Groups to move to FF. Although we must have a list of file types supported, retention times and also if there is a max number of d/l's.
- Gil Francisco III
This is awesome but I'm also concerned about the type of people this might bring to the FF community.
- Johnny
Gil, I'm seriously considering moving my Y!Groups list members from there to FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
This is one of those features that people don't complain about even though they didn't ask the community prior to launching ;)
- Frankie Warren
Dare I ask about Boobies.jpg.virus.exe? - Oops Casey says they are virus scanned
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Jannifer: RIAA and MPAA, specifically. Say someone shares a copyrighted song or something...RIAA gets cranky.
- Jordan Hofker
Am I the only person that thinks this is an incredibly bad idea?
- Jason Nunnelley
.m4a files sent from the iPhone's Voice Memos feature aren't given a player but are making it through the mail to FF feature. Any support for a player coming down the line?
- Christopher Harley
How about .zip s that are password-protected? Reject I hope... (edit) .zip not supported at all, I gather, good!
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
yeah search by filetype absolutely! filetype:pdf, filetype:mp3, filetype:zip, filetype:doc etc.
- Nathan Chase
Christoper: (via Bret) "Unfortunately we only can play back MP3s at this point. The iPhone voice memos are in M4A (AAC), so we really want to support them, but it is a bit more difficult with Flash and our media setup at the moment."
- Ross Miller
\m/
- metalerik
abi allah tuttuğunuzu altın etsin **love**
- Ahmet Alp Balkan
Jason, I might be with you on this one.
- Johnny
Awesome! Nice job, guys
- Evan Sims
This is nice! Very nice!
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
Yippie-kai-yay :))))
- A.T.
Thanks, Ross. The paid app, iProRecorder http://www.iprorecorder.com/ suffers the same limitations.
- Christopher Harley
NICE!!! Been waiting for this... thanks FriendFeed team!
- AJ Batac
Cool! FF is becoming more of a platform of choice for me. Thanks guys :)
- Dilip Dand
Very Cool !!!
- Eric Logan
I'm not sure that I'm going to use that feature (I rarely share docs over the internet that weren't created in Zoho or GDocs, anyway), but still it looks pretty neato.
- Miss Elle
Bret, do you have any restrictions to protect against music filesharers etc so you do not become an RIAA target?
- Travis Koger
@ Travis: I was just wondering the same.
- Brian Chang
Bret Taylor, a friend of mine uploaded 1 mp3 and it disappeared. Now he can't upload any mp3 file, seeing a [The "" file type is not supported]. Broken message?
- Jason Nunnelley
"You can only upload 3 audio files every day. Please try again later." Too bad because I was really just trying to see what files worked. .wav aint one of them. No audio notes from Evernote, iPhone, iProRecorder. I soooo want to love this but It's not doing what I need it to do. This feature needs to support some kind of multi photo post with a recording appended to the message. That should be right out of the box. Video needs to come right behind it. Music is cool but citizen journalism is even cooler.
- Christopher Harley
seriously useful.
- Calvin Ayre
I haven't tested this but, how exactly are you determining audio file types, just using the file extension. If so there is a work around with a simple file rename, an example would be if you change an .mp3 to a .pdf and let people rename it once it becomes local on their machine. EDIT: This workaround would also allow video to be transferred.
- Jimminy
Maybe I don't know enough, but doesn't this kind of open the door to slipping malicious code to unsuspecting users?
- Fleagle
this is the best thing I know this morning when I open my eyes, well done!
- K.D.
that is AWESOME!
- Her Lindsay-ness
Fleagle: It is possible that someone would do that but FriendFeed is fairly well self monitored. It is still a small group of people in comparison to other networks.
- Jimminy
Glad for this feature, though perhaps close partnership with Box.net or similar could keep FF storage costs better contained? Not criticizing, just hoping Core Team doesn't get distracted by extending (and babysitting) commodity services. Keep up the great work!
- michael silverton
Kudos on the added features!
- Eric @ CS Techcast
可以分享文件，friendfeed更好用了。
- 老巫师
哇塞，这个强的。 I like it.
- xiawinter
Wow. Just wow. Thanks.
- Laura Norvig
NICE! Thanks for the info.
- Cyndi ~ @muchmorethanmom
Tell us more. Tell us EVERYTHING about the file "FF secret plans.pdf" shown in the blogpost <http://friendfeed-media.com/0fe9b6e...>.
- ianf ⌘
Oh, very awesome!
- Scott Magdalein
It's *machine code*.
- Karl Knechtel
Karl: FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
So we can setup private groups and share questionable files ? :)
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
That's pretty much what I was saying, Ahsan. I did one earlier as a test to prove my point, (NOTE: it is a clean file, direct from Revision 3) at http://friendfeed.com/jimminy...
- Jimminy
Excellent! Thank you!
- Diego Barros
What? No way, this is marvelous! Great. I hope who have enough space on our servers. You'll need it. :)
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
"Rapidshare Fined $34 Million for Copyright Infringement" (http://mashable.com/2009...)
- Ozkan Altuner
Speaking of copyright etc. I thought it instantly. I already saw copyrighted mp3 files here, and it will be only a matter of time before all kind of questionable stuff will be available here. How will Friendfeed solve this problem? It's a great function and a major step for FF, but I hope you guys have really thought about it extensively before you made that decision.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Ah and on that audio files... Please consider to support .3gp sound files, too. So Android users can upload voice recordings from their phones, too. That would be nice.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
Hmmm @Ryo, good catch, posting directly from Android to FF your voice messages, would be cool!
- Ozkan Altuner
Can we tell the lawyers that they "won" and give them all the money? Then start over with a new set of I.P. laws and a new currency? Pretty please?
- Richard ¿digame? Walker
Must you force downloads on HTML files?
- Vezquex: God of FF
This is great. I'll try this instead of posting to Ipernity.
- Rick Cogley
Seems like a good step in the right direction indeed the concerns are founded based on previous experiences but it is a good start.
- Ubuntu101
Is it possible to set it up as part of the feed like a podcast?
- Ubuntu101
Excellento - inline playing of mp3 files at last - this will be dangerous. But is there are limit??
- Chris Loft
embedding mp3's is just fine when it works .. I've been trying to get a podcast rss feed I have setup imported for the past 8 hours straight only to find out that each time it's not importing squat.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
I take that back it worked once but everything in the description tags showed up twice.
- John Blanton
from twhirl
:( Apparently not *.pdn files (Paint.Net)
- Vezquex: God of FF
Thx! FF continues to rock :)
- Krishnamoorthy
why the limit on audio files?
- Tyler Gillies
Can us folks with Symbian OS-based devices have some Adaptive Multi-Rate codec/AMR file love, too? I believe that some Samsung and NEC phones also use that audio file format...
- Tyson Key
Oh, and Google Earth KML files, and Ogg Vorbis files aren't supported right now either, for what it's worth. Still, it's a nice idea, so far.
- Tyson Key
wow :)
- Mucio
I'm disappointed that the PDF of your secret plans is only 1.2 mb. Surely there's more?
- Dnl
anyone know the file size limit?
- Julian Seery Gude
To add to the comment made by Tyson Key: That's the same format that Android uses. AMR .3gp. So this format is used by some phones.
- Ryo / Fuck Facebook
My old Motorola Que made .3gp files too. Facebook can process them. You want to be at least as cool as Facebook, right?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiiice!
- Micah Wittman
FYI Micah, it works with *.user.js files... you know what that means...
- Mitch
*happy dance* this is really innovative and highly useful...thanks FF :)
- Susan Beebe
oh heck yes
- Shey, Jamaican of FF
Tried to share an .hta file with Micah yesterday....couldn't attach it. Tried to zip it and still couldn't attach it. Ended up tossing it in my dropbox and posting the link. :-(
- April Russo (app103)
LOL at the FF secret plans.pdf!!
- Darren Heydon
HTML5に本腰を入れてみる | appling weblog - http://appling.sakura.ne.jp/wordpre...
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I am tracking people on Twitter's SUL like @timoreilly. They can't get people to follow them on Facebook or FriendFeed. Here's analysis:
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Tim has 617,000 followers on Twitter -- almost all gained because he is on the suggested user list. But he only has 10,000 followers on FriendFeed. TechCrunch has almost the same pattern. Why is this?
- Robert Scoble
They can't get people to follow them because the people who added them are not really listening and impressionable.
- Louis Gray
You have to be engaged and interactive to have influence.
- Louis Gray
It's what I was hinting at this morning. Most of the users on Twitter don't actually take action or DO anything. They aren't followers. They aren't listening. They aren't engaged. So these audiences can't be transfered anywhere else.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is Revolution! Yay Twitter!
- Steven E. Streight
This is Twitter's true lock in.
- Robert Scoble
Could it also be that they never talk about Friendfeed or Facebook while on Twitter and therefore no one knows that they're actually here?
- Kenton
Yeah, Twitter has turned into more micro-rss for me versus conversational.
- Tony
Why would any freedom loving person NOT have a green avatar?
- Steven E. Streight
617,000, but how many of those are active users? I'd imagine 50% or more are one time users, dead accounts
- sean percival
It's all about narcissism for most people unfortunately.
- Steven E. Streight
It's impossible for anybody to have 617,000 followers on Friendfeed, because that's about double the active network size. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
LOL
- Steven E. Streight
Shea: very funny!
- Robert Scoble
Kenton, That's it for me. I follow Tim on Twitter, actually find him very engaged there, but didn't automatically assume he was on FB and FF. Now I will
- Francine Hardaway
I hate FaceBook
- Steven E. Streight
also the chance of someone responding on a sul is higher on friendfeed that is on twitter
- Kashif Khan
Shea: the problem with your thesis is that it holds true on Facebook. I have more fans there than TechCrunch does.
- Robert Scoble
Also, if you only ever re-tweet instead of putting up original content your followers are going to tend to be more passive.
- Kenton
how about them dopey Positive Affirmation tweeters? Ugh!
- Steven E. Streight
If I want inspirational quotes, I'll open a Bible thank you.
- Steven E. Streight
Like prob all of you I am on numerous social websites, twitter is not great at all unless you like the constant stream of tweet torrents - it is quick to interact with, that's why I use it the most right now.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Kenton: that's true too, but TechCrunch puts up original content and he has fewer followers on Facebook than I do (and I post almost NOTHING on Facebook).
- Robert Scoble
This is the very basic definition of following, you don't act, you follow. If you want to engage people, you need a community, which twitter can help you to manage but won't do for you. @loic can make many people do something, he has influence, because he built a community, not because he has followers.
- Jonathan Belgourari
Jonathan: yup and Guy Kawasaki has a lot more influence than I do and he neither is on Twitter's SUL and he doesn't even write all his own Tweets (he admits he has a team writing them).
- Robert Scoble
twitter is also great to find out about people in a quick way, you otherwise wold never engage with. the next step blog, friendfeed, fb or email is just as easy.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
if you have a lot of followers interaction is very limited. You miss out on so much when you hit the refresh page when you have followers . Im guessing after many attempts of trying to communicate and not receiving anything back ppl quit
- Kashif Khan
Jonathan: I call that a "reader" or a "consumer" then, not a follower. Followers do what you ask them to do. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Went and looked for him on FB. Not even a photo? Does he hang out there?
- Francine Hardaway
on a much smaller scale I've looked at overlaps between my twitter (3000) fb (900) ff (800); there seems to be about 300 people who are common to all three, the rest choose where and how to interact with me. I tend to think of the 300 as my "digital dunbar number".
- JP Rangaswami
Kashif: I interact here with almost everyone and I have 42,000 followers here.
- Robert Scoble
good point Robert, I don't really consider Facebook a place to go for information like that so I had only really considered Friendfeed.
- Kenton
Robert Scoble you are insane that does not count:)
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Twitter is a different medium to the others, Robert. It's a lot less of a commitment to follow somebody on that network. FF has a relatively tiny user base so a comparison there is apples and oranges. Facebook for the majority is still less about following *anybody* and more about following people you know and trust. Why? Because you're giving away a lot of yourself each time you add...
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- Shéa Bennett
Alex: heheh. I'm not the only insane one.
- Robert Scoble
but where is interacting easier , twitter or friendfeed ?
- Kashif Khan
haha...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Shea: the truth about Twitter is that many people check it out for a few minutes and then never return to the service. Or if they do return, they do so very sporadically. Over here or on Facebook the audiences are much more engaged.
- Robert Scoble
imagine having to track this same conversation using twitters web interface and not having tweetdeck or seismic to help you out
- Kashif Khan
Robert: I keep hearing that but I'm very engaged with my network. And I regularly remove the people who I feel don't make any kind of an effort. It's all about keeping things relative.
- Shéa Bennett
I am still scared to contact anybody on Facebook, because I don't know if the want to stay private/real friends, or if they like me joining their conversation = I never send friend requests
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Shea: the other truth about the Suggested User List is these are not organic followers. They are people who opened an account and clicked "add all the suggested users." Before Tim and Mashable and TechCrunch were added to that list I had more followers on Twitter. So did Leo Laporte. So did Guy Kawasaki. So, most of those newer followers that Tim and Mike got by being on the SUL aren't strong followers. That's why they aren't very engaged.
- Robert Scoble
I agree re: Twitter - they check it out and then leave - the follow and forget methodology. I guess the real measure of how interactive his followers are would be to request that they do something (click a link, etc.) In reality, if he got 1/10 of 1% to do anything, I'd be impressed.
- Jeff Pomeroy
You also have to remember that the majority of FB's 200 million users are non-techy people, many of whom see FB *as* the internet, not just a product of it. I think Twitter's audience is maturer (in terms of average age, as well as content) and less interesting in bells and whistles (videos, music etc).
- Shéa Bennett
Jeff: what got Twitter to be so cool is engagedment USED to be a lot higher than 1/10th of 1% for everyone. Now it has gone down.
- Robert Scoble
I have no disagreement at all about the SUL. I've written several articles about it on Twittercism. It needs to be scrapped or totally revamped. And yeah, a lot of the followers folk get from being on the SUL are very casual users, assuming they return at all.
- Shéa Bennett
Shea: I totally disagree with that thesis. I did a survey of 600 Web innovators, influencers, and press. About 85% are on all three social networks (Twitter, Friendfeed, Facebook). And many of those are participating more on Facebook than on Twitter lately. Why is that?
- Robert Scoble
Robert, my 'suggested user list' was full of esoteric treehuggers and feelgood-psychos. I am a software architect and astrophysics hugger instead. Facebook hooks me up with really strange algorithms - meh..
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
"you reached level 14 in #spymaster"
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Alex: I blocked spymaster. :-)
- Robert Scoble
I would too, like many other things, but than I want diversity. I want a lot of different people and opinions to challenge my thinking.
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Maybe they are participating on Facebook more because they can truly control who sees what when they have their discussions. Twitter allows a lot of 'noise' to occur from unknown followers when these people are trying to communicate amongst themselves. Maybe Facebook or Friendfeed is just the better medium for those types of interactions.
- Jeff Pomeroy
Robert: Which thesis? Blasted Friendfeed and its lack of threaded comments. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
even on FB its easier to track conversations
- Kashif Khan
Jeff, I agree. And I also think 'older people are more comfortable with FB. The 'older folks' on twitter are broadcasting their wisdoms and not interacting - most of them...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
great listening to you guys - friendfeed proves something right here;) see ya. i'm out...
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
As for why your list are involved more on FB than Twitter, I have no idea. But 600 from either network is still a very small sample. I'm confused how these folk are actually "participating" on FB, too. Specifically, what does that word mean on that network? What do they do? My experience is that over half of my followers go ballistic if I update my status on FB more than about 15-20 times per day. And I'm *very* selective to make sure it's only the good stuff. :)
- Shéa Bennett
It is personality vs brand. You Robert, Jason Calacanis, Leo Lapporte, are personalities before brand. We talk to you as real people. O'riley is brand before personality. We are not used to talking back to a brand unless we're miffed about something. It is just not normal. For instance today when you asked my question at the #hpreveal thing it cought them off guard and totally blew me...
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- Ron Hudson
Ron: good point. The real answer is that Twitter totally messed with the system by choosing its own "stars" instead of letting the real stars organically bubble up to the top. Since O'Reilly and Arrington are "chosen stars" their followers aren't strong followers like the ones that they got organically. Even Arrington admits this in analysis.
- Robert Scoble
I totally agree with Ron about that. That's what I love about FF and Twitter - it's the first time that we've had anything like a level playing field for discourse. And the ones who don't engage now stand out like sore thumbs.
- Shéa Bennett
I always love it when somebody has 40,000 followers but is following 40 people. What a waste. Why even engage? You, Robert have almost as many followers as followees.
- Curt Mercadante
for me it seems that given his lopsided ratio, it gives the impression that he is not truly interactive but rather broadcasting and waiting for feedback.
- Eran Even-Kesef
An engaged audience is built slowly, not quickly
- Jesse Stay
So now when a new user gets on Twitter they see the same reinforced message from everywhere else. "These are people/brands you should LISTEN to" It is not "These are people to get to know and have conversation with"
- Ron Hudson
Robert, wouldn't the organic SUL just be the top 100 most-followed? Which even before the SUL got going wasn't exactly a bastion of quality. All Twitter needs to do is mix things up - when I sign up (or check the SUL at any time), the service should give me X of its own recommendations, and the same amount that are tailored to me by my own interests. Of course, for this to really work...
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- Shéa Bennett
Curt: lots of people use these things for broadcasting. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, but I do prefer to follow people who engage.
- Robert Scoble
Hey Louis Gray are you anti-SUL like many of us in this thread?
- Mark
I followed @timoreilly for a while on twitter, but didn't find him interesting enough to keep following. It's true that @GuyKawasaki doesn't write all his own tweets, but I like them and look forward to them (if one of his ladies have written the tweet they will have their initials at the end of it.) I follow you, Robert, because I like your tweets too. I will follow anyone who follows...
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- Andrew Jordan
Shea: I can see about 100 ways to build a useful SUL. The current SUL just serves @ev and @biz 's own egos and purposes.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: just remember that Twitter has signaled to the world that anyone who begs to be on, or complains about the SUL will never get onto it.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I agree. Between us, if they added you overnight, would you ask to be removed? I suspect you would, and I know at least one other has.
- Shéa Bennett
Robert: Why do you think you are not on the Twitter SUL? iJustine was on it (til she was removed) - yet no Scobleizer - It makes zero sense.
- Jim Connolly
Shea: yes, I will ask to be removed. I know one person who removed himself too. (Jay Rosen, journalism professor). Why would I ask to be removed? Because it's a huge gift and one that I would feel I need to disclose every time I talk about Twitter. Look at how many times I'm asked whether I'm paid by FriendFeed. Well, everyone on the Suggested User List is being paid by Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
This feels like irc without the useful tools like tab-auto-complete. I keep wanting to ssh out and open irssi. . .
- Ron Hudson
Aw man, I miss IRC.
- Jason Nunnelley
There's a group of people I follow on twitter not to be part of their conversation but to inform conversations I have with people I know. My friends/acquaintances don't use friendfeed so I have little use for it. Facebook I leave for friends/family and twitter/web forums are for acquaintances.
- Jonathan
Jim: three reasons I have never been on Twitter's Suggested User List: 1. Technically I was difficult to put on the list before they got rid of the @ reply functionality (I was one of the 3% who turned that feature on). 2. I talk about FriendFeed all the time (I wouldn't add someone who talked about a competitor all the time to my service either). 3. I have had days when I'm too noisy...
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- Robert Scoble
Does anyone know or have links to comments made by people on the SUL about the issue?
- Mark
Robert: Thats a very honest and almost certainly accurate answer.
- Jim Connolly
Mark: I've had some contact with @adventuregirl.
- Shéa Bennett
There is a risk here of course regarding complaining about the SUL that one could easily be accused of sour grapes; that is, along the lines of, "How did THEY get on there, and not me?" Although I also suspect that the majority (the masses, if you will) on Twitter don't really care at all about things like the SUL, and are fairly blasé to the criticisms about it. I sincerely believe...
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- Shéa Bennett
Mark: honestly I've been following the SUL and other than when Veronica ripped me a new one for asking whether there was some sort of corruption to get on the list (big brands get on the list, for instance, and this list is totally corruptible because it is NOT a meritocracy) I can't remember ever hearing someone on the SUL discussing it in public. They know better because they are being gifted hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of followers and they don't want to be removed.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: It's REALLY hard getting answers from people like Veronica Belmont or Pete Cashmore. They are both really cool people, but neither have replied to anything I have asked them, in relation to their SUL places. It's like they have been gagged.
- Jim Connolly
Mark: It's here http://www.thetechnewsblog.com/2009...
- Jim Connolly
Shea: most people will not care, that's right, until they figure out they are peasants in a royalty system. Then they will seek out systems that are meritocracies. The tide is already moving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: To your earlier point re: Tim O'Reilly - if the SUL system is broken and really just a method whereby new twitter users follow & forget, are these people truly "being gifted hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of followers"?
- Jeff Pomeroy
I'm sure most of them don't wanna look a gift horse in the mouth. Is that the right metaphor? hehe
- Mark
Hmm, I'm not sure Robert. Nobody seemed to leave FB when they were at risk of being sold out - the numbers just went up and up. I think the people who truly fight for this stuff are always in a real minority - they seem more prevalent because they're loud! :) I think most people drift away from social networks when they seem to have run their course, like MySpace.
- Shéa Bennett
Jeff: yes, they are because they are now owning the top of lists at http://www.wefollow.com and other places. Also they are getting PR on TV shows worth many thousands of dollars (journalists love picking sources with huge numbers after their names). Finally: SOME of these followers DO engage.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe Tim is too focused? he is not a chit chat BS guy enough to interest large amounts of people... Focus gives value but value that is high and very specific to certain (few) people. As you hinted Robert, value is not a matter of # of followers but of real impact /traction. People will listen and act more upon what is said on FF. FF is more value than traffic.
- Harscoat
Maybe if a few dozen of us from this thread @reply the big players asking for a statement on their placw on SUL they will respond?
- Mark
Scoble: I'm not sure they/we will seek out meritocracies. Like I said before it is not expected. I can go to crackberry forums or IRC if I want to be respected in a niche I think Facebook is more likely to draw people who want to be heard by their peers, because generally it is people you already have an established hierarchy of popularity with. It's high-school all over again. We tend to hang with our group and don't expect to be heard in others.
- Ron Hudson
Don't get me wrong - folk will put their name on lists, and that kind of non-committal stuff. But when it comes to the crunch and, you know, actually quitting over change, they rarely do.
- Shéa Bennett
Jeff: Yes they are, because most of them are selling some kind of advertising on their sites / blogs / podcasts etc. These are often sold on volume of eyeballs, and these will have increased by tens of thousands of percent after gaining all those Twitter followers.
- Jim Connolly
"you did receive a gift. Advertising is sold by 1,000 viewers. Ask Ryan how much 1,000 people are worth. You did NOT earn that gift by any objective measure." - Rob Scoble, Feb 2009
- Mark
Mark: Unlikely. I think Robert is right - far too much to lose. Man, if they added me to the list, this time next week I'd be a millionaire! ;)
- Shéa Bennett
Calacanis was widely quoted as saying a slot on the SUL was worth $250,000 US.
- Jim Connolly
Robert: keep those threads coming, I get to follow good people on real-time, it's better than any Twitter SUL :)
- Nir Ben Yona
Harscoat: I don't disagree a bit. Ron: good point about people not seeking out meritocracies. It does pollute the community, though, and people do figure that out eventually. If anything Facebook went the other way by limiting EVERYONE to 5,000. That brings celebrities down to everyone else's level, which builds good feelings and keeps marketers out.
- Robert Scoble
It seems like the tech celebrity all seems to treat these systems the same, as places where they can acquire a mass following. I view myself as an average everday user of these systems, and view all three differently. And as they evolve, they all have different and divergent uses for me. It's not apples to apples... (also, tiring of SUL)
- Bill Kinney
Jim: It's worth far more than that. Mashable is close to 1 million followers. The account tweets about 15-20 times per day, most back to their own site. That network size is worth millions. TC isn't far behind, and is already saying Twitter is about 10% of their traffic. Jason's semi-serious offer was probably high at the time, but I think a spot on that list now over 12 months is worth easily a million bucks to a brand or power-blog.
- Shéa Bennett
Bill: yup. Today I was talking with Alexander. He says that people will continue seeking out "smaller" spaces. My wife likes Facebook better than FriendFeed or Twitter for that reason: she feels it's the place where she can talk with just her circle of friends.
- Robert Scoble
tidbit of info: spoke to someone last night (who shall remain nameless) that said they went up by >10k followers per day when they were put on the SUL. They still consider that their real follower numbers are closer to their organic growth rate.
- Bill Sanders
I hope all the big players move to FF soon so I can stop visiting twitter.com altogether.
- Mark
I mean, $1/user that you can hit 15-20 times per day, 365 days a year, and if they unfollow, you're going to get another 40-50,000/week because you're on the SUL? I cannot believe Twitter doesn't monetize this feature.
- Shéa Bennett
Shea: I think you are probably right - the numbers are insane and the SUL system is totally corrupt.
- Jim Connolly
Robert, saying that people like me "can't build a following on Friendfeed" is silly. There are only so many networks that you can put time into. For whatever reason, I've chosen Twitter. You've chosen FriendFeed. The fact that I have 10,000 followers on FriendFeed is good news, given that I don't spend time here. Heck, I had 5,000 on Twitter when I started paying attention and using the service.
- Tim O'Reilly
Thanks for coming Tim, do you agree with Robert that your SUL status is a "gift" and one in which makes it difficult for you to report on twitter honestly?
- Mark
And for what it's worth, the SUL isn't very useful except for bragging rights. I had about 60K twitter followers when I went on the SUL; my peak click through-rate has perhaps doubled now that I have 10 times as many. Organic followers are what matters, except, as I say, for the media credibility that you get from people who don't know any better.
- Tim O'Reilly
After all, the SUL is giving you lots of clicks, and clicks = page views and page views = dollars?
- Mark
Tim: this post isn't only about you. But you must admit that you had fewer followers on Twitter than I did before you got added to the Suggested User List. You are getting gifted hundreds of thousands of followers per month. They aren't engaged. They won't do what you ask them to. Have you studied the hit rates the things you retweet are getting before and after getting on teh SUL?
- Robert Scoble
Tim: You deserve to be on the SUL, but many of your SUL buddies don't. It really stinks, the way some of those names were added, and people like Leo Laporte and Scoble were blanked.
- Jim Connolly
Totally, I only open up my facebook to those I have established relationship with - my choice to do so. I publish and share things of a more intimate nature there that I won't share on other services where my profile is more public. Facebook works quite well for that. I almost laugh at those that say that facebook has to match what twitter is doing or face extinction (and I've heard various arguments to that effect), that the "walled garden" will be their downfall eventually. I don't agree.
- Bill Kinney
Mark - being on the Twitter SUL has absolutely no influence on what I do or do not report about Twitter.
- Tim O'Reilly
Thanks, Tim x
- Mark
Ahh, I see you have studied the hit rates and your observations match mine. These aren't "real" followers and they aren't engaged. Twitter did that to remove people they don't like from the top of the leaderboards (like Calacanis, Laporte, and me).
- Robert Scoble
Is this about numbers (i.e. ratings and money) or is this about engagement?
- SawyerTraining, Inc.
Incidentally, was iJustine removed from the SUL for something she said? Just wondering. I'd be interested to see if somebody on that list could be very critical about Twitter and stay on it.
- Shéa Bennett
Tim is unsurprisingly savvy on the matter: "my peak click through-rate has perhaps doubled now that I have 10 times as many. Organic followers are what matters, except, as I say, for the media credibility that you get from people who don't know any better." In other words, organic followers are worth 10x more clicks/$$ than SUL followers.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Robert, did you recently share a Whisky with @Ev? What are the twitter bosses saying about the SUL and yoru complaints?
- Mark
Tim: how do we know that, though? If you paid me hundreds of thousands of dollars per year I would need to disclose that to my audience and it would be very tough not to be influenced by that money you're paying me. Twitter is paying you a huge sum of money in followers and yet you say it has no influence on you.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: I didn't bring it up with @ev (other than to make a small joke that he was building his own celebrities with the SUL, which he nervously smiled at). Why? Because I'd rather have these discussions out in public where you can see them and know that I'm not playing "footsie" with Twitter to get onto the list.
- Robert Scoble
That's just like the Robert we have known for a long time...
- Amit Nangare
Sure it changes Tim's experience of the service and (at the least) doubles his direct financial rewards from the service but he's presumably not working on a word of mouth contract with them. The only way to be *completely* sure there's no conflict of interest would be for oreilly.com to block/redirect all direct or indirect clickthroughs from Twitter and I'm sure we can all agree that's not feasible.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
If this is about engagement consider that for me most of my engagement is "downstream" with my followers (who are few but important to me) rather than "upstream" where I look for trends, leads, and insights. I only interact upstream on rare occasions when I feel I might have something to add (and this may not be one of those times).
- SawyerTraining, Inc.
Tim: It is impossible for you to be totally unbiased regarding Twitter, surely?
- Jim Connolly
I like to think that after Robert had that whisky from Ev, his life spiralled out of control, a bit like something in Michael Douglas' The Game. Three days disappeared in a blur, and when he woke up, the only working login he had left was on Plurk. ;)
- Shéa Bennett
It's impossible for any business to be completely unbiased regarding media outlets that cover/enable them, Jim. The best we can hope for is full disclosure, published conduct guidelines, and ombudsmen.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Mark: also that wasn't an appropriate time socially. His wife was there, it wasn't an on the record type event, and it's not nice to be a jerk on a Saturday night.
- Robert Scoble
Well I suppose twitter sends money to the SUL via followers, how is it it any different than Dell sending money to you via free laptops?
- Mark
Daniel: We are talking about a 6 figure 'gift' from a company, to a group of people who write about that company. This is a really big deal.
- Jim Connolly
@Shéa Bennett: Ijustine - man did that get old fast. That's what happens after 100 episodes of the same "yeah, yeah, you can ask ij"
- Asgeir
Daniel: it's pretty hard to figure out that people are on the SUL. You have to have a new account and look every few days. Some people are building tracking systems to watch who is added and who is taken off (iJustine was on for a while but isn't anymore and she now is losing followers, if you watch the charts). Disclosure? People who are on this list don't see it as a gift.
- Robert Scoble
Fair point, Rob x
- Mark
It's simply a matter of scale, Jim. There is no realistic way for Tim to remain completely objective aside from eschewing Twitter altogether. As long as he is above board re: his dealings with Twitter that's really all that anyone can expect of him.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Mark: if I take gifts I disclose it. I'd rather have the followers the SUL gives someone than a free laptop. A laptop is only worth $2,000. Getting on the SUL is worth many many more times that.
- Robert Scoble
when i said "you", i didnt mean any of you in particular with the laptops
- Mark
"you" just sounds better than "one" - how english of me
- Mark
Good point, Robert. Perhaps Twitter should make it super obvious that people are on the SUL. It *would* be nice if text from SUL tweeters was visually distinguishable from regular tweeters so that we could know to (not) pay attention to it as per our preferences.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
One respectfully disagrees :)
- Ian Betteridge
Regarding iJustine, I'm guessing she was pulled from the SUL early May? Check the chart: http://twittercounter.com/compare... If that date correlates, that probably says all we need to know about the benefits.
- Shéa Bennett
Robert - do you think all Twitter-related content published by SULers should include a boilerplate disclaimer such as "BTW I get zillions of clicks through Twitter's preferential treatment" at the top of every story?
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
Daniel: at Steve Broback's Twitter Conference the Twitter employees were visibly uncomfortable talking about the SUL. It's interesting that they added a "verified" icon to my account but they aren't identifying who is on the SUL.
- Robert Scoble
Whoa, Shéa
- Mark
It was cool of Tim to 'almost' talk about the SUL here. The guy's a tech legend and is there on merit - I just wish the list was balanced so others who equally deserve a slot had one.
- Jim Connolly
Daniel: yes. If the New York Times journalists were receiving hundreds of thousands of dollars from a company they cover, wouldn't you expect them to disclose that?
- Robert Scoble
I won't argue with you there at all, Robert. I would be happy seeing disclaimers and graphics denoting SUL status. I was thinking the problem was more Twitter's than Tim's but I suppose it's both.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
from IM
That graphic blew my mind, Shea. Thanks!
- Daniel J. Pritchett
how about twitter sul = 300.000+$/month want it? buy it. full disclosure=?
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
Are most professional journalists doing online content paid based on page views?
- Mark
or is it pay per article?
- Mark
Jim: I wish the list was a meritocracy and based on your actual usage and value you add to Twitter. Personally I wish we had a list a lot more like wefollow.com or alltop.com than what Twitter came up with. Mark: yes.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: EXACTLY!
- Jim Connolly
Mark: Journalism companies get paid by 1000 page views. That's called CPM. They then usually pay their reporters per article, or per word, or they are salaried.
- Robert Scoble
One reason is FriendFeed lacks a way of linking to other users in a post. On Twitter you can @timoreilly or @TechCrunch and I'd click on them and see if they are worth following. Since you can't do that on FriendFeed I don't bother to look to see if they are worth following.
- ChiliMac
Jim: I find it insulting that Oprah was added to the Suggested User List after doing only a dozen or so entries on Twitter. How did they know she would be a good Twitterer after only that few? How insulting is that to all the other people who put tons more work into the system?
- Robert Scoble
I don't think this SUL thing is about numbers, it's about ego and personality. Can you live without expressing your personal believes and have PR people do your job or say what you have to say out loud on public and give up the courtesy and goodies. Why is it about personality? Example: When Scoble came to visit my country (Israel) everyone could have a talk with him directly without...
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- Nir Ben Yona
ChiliMac: funny, I found you just fine and subscribed to you here. It's a different way, though. Here you put full URLs into the message. Like "hey, everyone, follow ChiliMac here: http://friendfeed.com/chilimac "
- Robert Scoble
Robert: If being on the list has negligible value as you proposed (and Tim essentially confirmed) in terms of click-throughs, are we perhaps being overly concerned with its 'benefits'? If Tim's network has gone x10 and his clicks are x2, it's likely that his gain is from a lot of people who followed him organically (i.e., normal network growth).
- Shéa Bennett
Robert: The Oprah situation took the SUL issue and exposed it for what it is; a 'buddy list.' Not based on merit or value. I only heard of Twitter because of you and Leo. There are hundreds of thousands of early users who only discovered Twitter off you and Leo's mentions. How soon they forget!
- Jim Connolly
Shea: perhaps we are overly concerned. But I notice that people don't often remove themselves from this list, and even when they do (like in Jay Rosen's case) it's only after really thinking through the ethical responsibility of taking a huge gift from a corporation that they potentially cover.
- Robert Scoble
Jim: exactly. I really hate it when companies love you when they are getting started because they need a few evangelistic users (ICQ started with only 40 users, so that's all you really need) but then they stab you in the back once they don't need you anymore. That's why more than a few bloggers now ask for stock or fees to cover their companies. Me? I will continue being a sucker for an entrepreneur with a great product or service.
- Robert Scoble
I'd prefer an tiny audience that listened and commented, than a huge audience that ignored me
- Mark Essel
value is the way and not arbitrary will from kings (ev and biz eg)... so this thread opens one's eyes to the not so fair and ego driven aspect of twitter as a cy ( I still remember @ev with the Trump daughter in front of the white house ;) - SUL = buddy list of @ev and @biz... liked Jim suggestion
- Harscoat
I agree about Oprah but Twitter wants names on there - people that the 180 million Facebook users they don't have on Twitter right now will recognise. Everybody knows Oprah. It isn't about being a 'good Twitterer' (which is of course a relative term - one man's P. Diddy is another man's Jack Schofield) - it's about new users going, "Hey, I know this person." and that validates the...
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- Shéa Bennett
I wish Twitter wold make it easier to connect with people that has same interests. wefollow is on the right track, but people add themselves to categories they don't belong in. The one with most follower under #photo has, as far as I can tell, never written anything about photos, or photo related news
- Asgeir
Engagement has value, but I understand most folks just like to read. I'm fine with that but engagement helps me improve my perspective while blogging
- Mark Essel
social networks is about money not about us or social or socialism;) which brings me back to the point: the sul list is pure advertising and should be treated as that. Put a logo next to it: Advertisement: we recommend these ppl - done. 'We' will find each other anyways and the big old economy corps will always bully Robert or Leo out of their way:(
- Alex 'BuckyBit' Covic
there are the "cooperators" and "free riders/defectors" in life (in evo psy terms) - Robert is a cooperator (interested in the overall value for the group rather than his own personal interest)! pointing at entrepreneurs with great product and services for the community. Do not change
- Harscoat
Twitter is really just a broadcast medium, you can be influential and be on the SUL, but it's more likely you just have a bunch of people checking out the service once and never looking again. FF allows you to build value and relationships around conversations. Take this very thread. Which is more monetizable in the long run? I think twitter will just become another protocol, FF provides a far more valuable service. But that's just my opinion really, and it all depends on how YOU define "useful"
- John
I try to participate, but I have anywhere from 60 to 80 hours of work a week, and adding Twitter and FF to the list increased my hours. So I can't always participate even though I want to.
- RobinDotNet
Robert, I'm intrigued by your success and focus on this subject. I wonder, how do you think a group fairs compared to a single personality? At the moment, you're the king of social media in my opinion because of your engagement. The attention you command is ten fold the value of Ashton's million plus drive-by fans. But, could 10 top-notch social folks stuck to a brand (like Mashable's core Twitter brand) out-perform a single guy's personal touch? [Sorry, I did go a bit OT]
- Jason Nunnelley
The truth is the SUL list on Twitter falsely inflates everyone numbers who are on it, I suspect if Tim O'Reilly wasn't on the list his numbers percentage wise would be just about the same whether we are talking Twitter or FF. I also think that since FF doesn't have an auto follow method, like twitter, their is more thought put into who someone is going to follow.
- Kim Landwehr
Kim: That's true, but it's not just a question of auto-follow. One, Facebook doesn't allow one-way following - you have to be 'friends'. Two, for most people, letting somebody friend them on FB is a fairly big deal as that person then has access to a lot of your life (personal details, photos, etc - it AMAZES me how many people put their cellphone number on Facebook, and then just...
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- Shéa Bennett
I agree SUL is billboard advertising. Essel-i support that 'just like to read' is fine for some. That's how I participate with Wikipedia and I can see some on twitter will simply be there looking for new eddies in the river of news. FriendFeed and Facebook lead for those of us wanting greater depth: No matter if you are a platform or a "personality" how is quality engagement promoted...
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- Lane Rapp
Jason: I am often at a disadvantage competing against brands with many people employed like TechCrunch and Mashable. What was interesting was that I (and others like Leo Laporte, Calacanis, Kawasaki, et al) was able to compete before the SUL propelled them above me and into a different league. At least on Twitter. Everywhere else I'm still kicking their behinds. Which is worth studying,...
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- Robert Scoble
I am not on the Twitter SUL. I have 15,000 on Twitter and 2,700 on FF. Could it be that there are fewer peeps on FF?
- Beth Kanter
Beth: that's a pretty common ratio, but doesn't match anyone's who is on the SUL. But, you miss my point. On Facebook (which has far far far more people than Twitter) TechCrunch has far fewer fans than I do but on Twitter he has far more, all artificially gained. If TechCrunch were smart he'd have those people also follow his fan page on Facebook.
- Robert Scoble
But you bring up an interesting point, Beth, for another thread. Why aren't your followers good followers of yours? I imagine you've told them about friendfeed. Why don't your followers listen to you? I thought it was just me.
- Robert Scoble
I just don't use facebook at all like i do FriendFeed or Twitter.
- Geoff Schultz
What about the shear time to keep up with the topics of the day? For me twitter is all about reading quick short headlines, getting a pulse on what's going on, and then making a decision on what topics are important enough to engage deeper on. FF, FC, blogs, etc are the place to go deeper into the conversation. If you buy off on that, then the math comes into play,Twitter is the grand...
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- Robert Wilkins
Oprah, by the way, has 1,619,000 on Twitter and 760,000 on Facebook. I wonder how many followers Oprah was gifted by being on the recommended follower list, but you can see why Twitter is doing this. The higher Oprah's numbers are on Twitter the cooler Twitter seems and the more hype it gets and the more celebrities want to chase Oprah, even if they are for fake followers who don't mean that much. Brilliant strategy on Twitter's part.
- Robert Scoble
yea, oprah=cool. you toting your camera maybe not so much to mainstream, glad to see the new hulk photo ;-)
- Lane Rapp
Lane: Oprah is cool? Have you seen her Tweets? Not cool at all.
- Robert Scoble
I have very different uses for each: Twitter, Facebook, FriendFeed...
- Kelly A Nelson
Robert, Oprah's tweets are indeed superficial. Totally not engaged. She would do well to use twitter to engage both her audience and her causes between seasons. My joke was framed sarcastically enuff, but was to support your entire discussion here, that the SUL is rigged for twitter and celeb marketing.
- Lane Rapp
Meh. all these celebs taking twitter away from us geeks :( its ours :(
- Mark
Ellen Degeneres does a good job in my opinion
- Lane Rapp
Mark, give twitter to the masses, sometimes I get the feeling FF wants to remain a niche. I can't say I would be disappointed as long as the lights stay on. We can contribute like we do on NPR.
- Lane Rapp
Lane: they said that about Twitter two years ago. The thing is here that FriendFeed has nooks and crannies that can let us hide from the masses a lot better than we can hide on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
Beth, I think the difference between Twitter and FF is two fold, compounded and a big indicator as to why Robert may fair so much better here and FB. Twitter simplifies the competition (if there is such a thing, though people perceive it's real, so it is). It's all about followers and extremely competitive to gain them. FriendFeed is culturally different, and conversational. This kind...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Yes we can hide away in little corners, and even go private rooms if we want a little insider chat. Friendfeed is our underground movement!
- Mark
Something Robert has done that works best in more conversational SM is brand himself as an all around cool guy. He's not "Robert Scoble the tech guru." Mashable and Techcrunch are very limited in their scope, so readers are likely to read their blip about their preferred technology and move on. Robert engages his readers on a multitude of topics, much more conversational. He'll actually...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Robert, thanks I'll do my part to welcome the masses while I learn more about the nooks and crannies. I noticed how all the FF user help rooms are active, but the Facebook user groups have limited discussion.
- Lane Rapp
Lane (WARNING: shameless promotion) I'd be happy to host more conversations in newb regarding Facebook if you like, post tutorials, videos, etc. Are you more often a question source or an answer source? <edit> Meaning, I'd like to have someone else post help there if I start pushing my readers to the group.
- Jason Nunnelley
Anyone heard any news about new friendfeed features? Sure would be cool to be able to post images and things in the discussion thread.
- Mark
I hate to hit and run, but 90% of the people I follow I follow because I've seen them say interesting things and participate here.
- Steve Lowe
Steve, why is that Hit and Run?
- Jason Nunnelley
Is the FriendFeed back-end on Scala already? :)
- The Pageman
Jason, I'd like that and think the rural, the elder, the poor, the disabled, and much of africa who get better high speed net access will as well. As fast as these platforms are growing the users have to help out with the concierge desk. I've got questions and I'm still newb enuff to answer some with empathy
- Lane Rapp
Lower counts on friendfeed IMHO is due to the fact FF lacks the sexyness of Facebook. The FF User Interface is cleaner, simpler but lacks eye candy, of the FB I do think UI is better than Twitter, but lacks the 3rd party apps which promote usage. The 2 ff aps on the iPhone are #horriblizers ( original word from @lovinkat)
- derikp
If more people used clients that don't require following people to group them and/or see their tweets, the followers would n't be half as relevant on Twitter. I converse with lots of people I don't follow on facebook and FriendFeed.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Robert, the bottom line is people follow people for three reasons: content, content and content. The question is what difference does the SUL on Twitter make if most people just ignore boring content and move on?
- Jason Nunnelley
My mom joined Twitter today (that tells me its not Myspace, so much for my original thesis) but she didn't necessarily want to follow this suggested list, but from talking to her, it sounded like it was "fostered" onto her. I don't know what the steps look like since I joined a long time ago, but it sounds like for a newbie you are pretty much going to auto follow these people
- Stephen Pickering
I have more friends/followers on Friendfeed than I do on any other site
- Joe Dawson
the followers picked up from SUL are folks who are getting started -- it's like the old PCH magazine subs: renewals and engagemt were horrible but the audience inflation paid back in ad dollars. The social web is about "finding" an audience, just like the old days before you could use web clout to open the spigot and drive a massive audience. The SUL is a Web 1.0 artifact, like cutting...
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- Dan McCarthy
from BuddyFeed
Robert, et al: There was some important information shared in this thread yesterday, and I've put a lot of it together in a post for Twittercism, focusing on comparisons between the follower counts of Tim, Robert and iJustine. Appreciate your thoughts. Cheers. http://twittercism.com/suggest...
- Shéa Bennett
isn't 10000 followers on friendfeed just about the same percentage of the community as 600000 on twitter?
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Stephen, you have to unclick the people you don't want to follow in the SUL.
- Jason Nunnelley
Great thread. Thanks Robert.
- Mark Davidson
from BuddyFeed
Thanks for sharing - great info Robert!!
- Laurie DesAutels
If what you say is true, then the terms need to be changed. As for them not transferring to any other social network, why is that even necessary? There's a great study out there that states 90% of your network will be lurkers anyway. You'll never know that they exist, however, it's still comforting to know they're there....
- Mike Shields
Robert: Now that you mention it, I will tell them about FriendFeed.
- Beth Kanter
Robert: I hate it when there's a "food fight" over ideas. Please remember that Twitter is still trying to find a business model. These $100,000 gifts are basically Calacanis "Bucks"... you can't actually buy anything with them except the promise of VC investment. VC investment is simply mortgaging your future.
- davem51
Was it wrong with Radio from UserLand had some suggested feeds to follow? No. It was a smart business idea and Adam Curry invested to get more readers. Smart attempt to save Userland from failing.
- davem51
I met Tim O'Reilly in 1990 working the O'Reilly booth at Usenix. It was one of the most interesting conversations I have ever had at a conference... Tim knows how to present idea but more importantly he has the biggest ears in tech. He's got an Open Source Mind.
- davem51
am i on twittr?
- j edmonds
http://twitpic.com/730ze - Lucky guy
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