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Four logicians are having breakfast. Waitress asks -- Will you all be having coffee? http://friendfeed.com/davew...
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posterous http://posterous.com/ or pixelpipe http://pixelpipe.com/ ? that is the question.
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hmm... that's makes 1 vote for posterous, 1 for pixelpipe
- jbrotherlove
Posterous, but I honestly have not taken an in-depth look at Pixelpipe due to the fact that it seemed kind of tedious to set up. I could definitely be mistaken, though.
- Rahsheen?
I hadn't considered pixelpipe until this past Sunday @ brunch when brandon (sheatsb) showed me how he had his set up. kinda sweet, not that posterous can't do the same - or similar.
- jbrotherlove
Hi, I'm one of the founders of Posterous. One of the reasons we focused on email is because it's integrated so well into all the desktop and mobile apps you already use. Emailing photos, video and audio from the iPhone works perfectly with no dedicated app. We push out to a lot of the services you already use, but ultimately also give you a beautiful, personal site that is your own with all your content
- Sachin Agarwal
thanks Sachin. I'm trying it out now. I'll admit it's not at all intuitive to me yet (I try to stay out of email). I'm a little fuzzy on what goes in the subject & what goes in the message portion of the email. also, I'm a bit paranoid I will accidentally autopost something to every service I have, rather than 1 or 2.
- jbrotherlove
Software Engineering: Dead? - http://www.codinghorror.com/blog...
İdris Cin, Amir, Arvind and 13 other people liked this
@scobleizer i agree, software developement is craftsmanship, not engineering
- Kevin Tunis
"What we do IS crafmanship." hard to agree, I can see the logic behind it, yes. But it could be both, I mean engineering is kind of a craftmanship?
- Özgür D. Cyric
contentious point on the surface that probably devolves to a semantic argument. i think the bottom line is that the paper's author, Tom DeMarco, is just mellowing out a bit in his old age. :-D you start off at one end of the spectrum (engineering Nazi) and you're bound to eventually realize hey sometimes you can just wing it. look at Twitter -- more hacked together than engineered, not especially reliable, but it has played an important role.
- Karim
Control is needed not for completion, unlike other disciplines, but for sustaining Software. Maintaining Semantic Hygiene is the Hardest task there is in Software Engineering Management. http://www.youtube.com/watch...
- Vasu Srinivasan
This is anathema to the entire software outsourcing industry that has grown on the premise that s/w development can be predictably controlled.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Leaving aside the sensational title, I think Jeff's point is that certain traditional practices like waterfall, software-as-a-manufacturing-process, discrete estimation, etc. never really accurately depicted the practice of building software. Jeff makes some good points, but I'm not sure that *craftsmanship* is the last word on this topic.
- Matthew Trunnell
It will be engineering again when computers stop getting faster every year. Would you really spend a lot of time engineering the mpg of a car if you knew that gasoline was going to be 2x as effective every 18 months?
- Sam Pullara
I think, s/w craftmanship is evolving to s/w engineering. IDE's are getting better, ALM tools and models are getting better. We have better tools, better models and new ideas to build s/w... Unlike any other engineering dicipline, s/w engineering is highly depend on intellectual property while developing s/w product.
- ersan bilik
a must-read essay on the future of the web by @timoreilly and @johnbattelle http://www.web2summit.com/web2009...
Daniel Rowley, Timo Heuer, Alex Schleber and 5 other people liked this
I wasn't arguing with @brettschulte on the tank issue. I think you're misreading me. I think CNN is doing responsible journalism TODAY.
Ken Power, mjc, Charlie Anzman and 5 other people liked this
Robert, you are really multitasking tonight!
- Myrna
Fareed Zakaria had a good article on Iran and tomorrow he has his show talking about Iran for 1 hour.
- Myrna
Are you serious? Reading Twitter steam is good news? We can do that on our own and do! And the Money Summit on now when people want to know what is going on?
- Liza + = ?
Myrna: yeah, Fareed is a good guy. I heard him speak a couple of weeks ago. Really smart.
- Robert Scoble
He'll allay my fears tomorrow either way.
- Myrna
Robert - as you know I've been in contact with the news room. There was no time where they held anything back. Not sure where you think they "failed". No one had the full story.
- Brett Schulte
Have you seen https://www.torproject.org/ (via Tim O'Reilly) It should be a trending topic.
- Benjamin Taylor
Hell I got you interviewed for gods sake - does that sound like they're hiding something???
- Brett Schulte
What happened to breaking news? That is FAIL. They are not commenting.
- Liza + = ?
Brett, for 1 hour neither CNN nor CNN International is talking Iran. They took a break!
- Myrna
There's nothing solid in the news room to go with. They're not going to air every unsubstantiated tweet,
- Brett Schulte
They already have, Brett!
- Liza + = ?
And, but they could retweet.
- Liza + = ?
Liza: Not many people can read as much tweetstream as Scoble or a CNN it takes some serious multitaking ability to watch multiple searches at once, find new data, and determine truth. And so to do that, and bring it to the people who can't, and the people who don't know what a Twitter is....well, that's helpful.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Ok, so props for educating us on social media, but as for breaking news - FAIL.
- Liza + = ?
Why don't you beat up Fox or MSNBC for a change? :)
- Brett Schulte
Happy to, Brett, but that is not the thread.
- Liza + = ?
Any evidence that now that authorities can't block twitter they will engage in dis-information campaign? Set up events as a trap?
- sherry reynolds
They're too easy Brett. :)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
It all came from last week's CNN Fail conversation, and I am saying it has had a week to figure out a POA, and it is RT TV.
- Liza + = ?
Robert if you want to be interviewed again or go on live let me know.
- Brett Schulte
That way it'll be on you. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Scoble, maybe that is why you know who is pissed at you - envy:)
- Liza + = ?
CNN with C. Amanpour is talking with Roger Cohen in Tehran right now
- Myrna
Here's a thought - let's have CNN send Robert over to cover this and kill two birds with one stone (so to speak).
- Brett Schulte
Great idea Brett then we can watch Robert and find out good info
- Myrna
Brett: I don't know why you think I was attacking CNN today. But the truth is their brand has gone WAY down in the past 10 days. First they didn't cover it wall to wall. Now they aren't in Iran (I know it's not their fault) and are left reporting what's on Twitter and Youtube. Not a great showing from the USA's greatest news organization.
- Robert Scoble
Why don't I pick on Fox or MSNBC? Because Fox and MSNBC aren't playing in every airport and every hotel I visit around the world. When they are I'll pick on them.
- Robert Scoble
Unfortunately, CNN has been but a shadow of its former self for a long time.
- Michael Krigsman
What would you have them do Robert? Where did they fail?
- Brett Schulte
Hey guys they're doing an phone interview with Roger Cohen from Tehran..they're trying.
- Myrna
CNN...am I the only one luck enough here to have access to BBC World.
- Arawak
Brett: where CNN failed is in spending enough resources in Iran to cover Iran well. Sorry, Christiane isn't enough. But this is going to be the story more and more. Myrna: yes, today they are doing better and they are trying. But compared to the totality of what I'm seeing on friendfeed I think CNN still isn't doing that well.
- Robert Scoble
Like I said @Scobleizer, let's send you over for CNN. Let me know if you want me to push that idea.. it might actually fly.
- Brett Schulte
Brett: I wish I was there right now, but two problems: my family won't let me take that kind of risk and 2, if Christiane can't get in there I seriously doubt I could.
- Robert Scoble
Scoble, you don't have to go to report.
- Liza + = ?
They are not there -
- Liza + = ?
Liza: you have to be there if you are going to get anything better than what you're seeing on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Actually I think you're too involved to be objective anyway.
- Brett Schulte
Robert, that is the point - they are doing what you are doing. And on a much larger budget. AND that is my point. Who else is better prepared to funnel feeds and respond?
- Liza + = ?
Brett: probably true. But you telling me that the people who cover it don't have opinions about the government there?
- Robert Scoble
At least they have the appearance of being objective. ;)
- Brett Schulte
Robert: It's unfair to compare the resources of one news agency (even the largest one) against crowdsourced news gathering on Twitter, FB, and FF. The future of news will be companies harnessing that crowd on particular stories. #Iranelection happened spontaneously. In the future, news gathering will be coordinated across volunteers by news/media organizations. At that time, the role of news agencies will become interpreting / assembling small bits of gathered news into a coherent whole.
- Michael Krigsman
Liza: actually I'm getting more sources on my like feed than CNN is on theirs. But that's because I have a clue about friendfeed, which pulls in blogs, Tweets, photos, YouTube, and many many other things.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: in the late 1970s people said it was unfair to compare CNN to the resources of ABC, NBC, and CBS. They were wrong then. What we are witnessing is a new way that humans will produce and get news and that has DEEP implications for CNN.
- Robert Scoble
Michael: Well said. I think all traditional media "fails" us in comparison to real tme social meida, it's the nature of the beast not a fail by the company.
- Brett Schulte
That is very correct Robert.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Yes, I updated my comment, Robert, if 'coverage' is handling feeds, then why isn't CNN 'covering' it. (we know the answer!)
- Liza + = ?
Brett: with one exception. The news judgment CNN showed last Saturday by putting on shows like Larry King Live was a major fail by a news company that had built a brand by being first to cover the news.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: That's exactly my point. It's obvious the role of CNN will change. They don't stand a chance against distributed social media. Their role will be assembling, explaining, and interpreting the data from social media into a coherent picture with context.
- Michael Krigsman
Hey, I'm not a huge Fox fan either but nobody can deny the fact that they are right now running two + hours of continuous Iran coverage with one of their best anchors live on the weekend. It's positively worth noting and another cnnfail.
- Charlie Anzman
Michael: you might be right as long as CNN understands their new role and actually performs there.
- Robert Scoble
Russ: I've been putting my favorite stuff at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Robert - you know very well how this business works. They didn't have anything to go with. They knew what was going on, but had nothing to show, no one to interview. What could they do... show a map and run live tweets? As a journalist, you know better.
- Brett Schulte
i appreciate your passion but whipping people who are doing their best to cover this in a new age of social media doens't help anyone.
- Brett Schulte
Brett: that's bull and you have to remember that Rick Sanchez and I had some private conversations about what happened last Saturday. CNN totally failed to show up.
- Robert Scoble
Brett: On stage Rick Sanchez said we (Twitterer's and bloggers) depend on main stream news. I answered back that we used to but then Saturday happened and we learned we could get along quite well without them.
- Robert Scoble
So your whole issue is that SUnday night they didn't go live? That's it?
- Brett Schulte
Bottom line, what is the value of watching CNN? They are admitting they can't report on it, so I admire honesty, but seems like they are using it as excuse.
- Liza + = ?
Here's all items I've "liked" with the word "Iran" or "Tehran" in them: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
What did he say
- Myrna
Myrna: he admitted that the executive news producers made some bad choices and hinted that they didn't have a full crew on hand to handle wall-to-wall news. In other words, they didn't understand how big a story the Iran protests were. Now they have. They've been wall-to-wall almost ever since.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I suggest CNN will ultimately have no choice but to embrace that role. As the world population becomes more Internet savvy, with more Internet access available (through phones, etc), #iranelection will repeat itself. We know content quality wins in the end, so FF, Twitter, etc, become more and more important. At the same time, CNN is better positioned to bring experts together to offer analysis and broader context that helps readers/viewers understand that news data feed.
- Michael Krigsman
Myrna / Robert: Correct - NO ONE knew how big it was.
- Brett Schulte
This isn't the first time CNN has been beaten by what I call the "Twitter News Network" either. We knew about the Chinese Earthquake 45 minutes before CNN even admitted it (and USGS had reported it as an 8.0 42 minutes earlier.
- Robert Scoble
Even the 'experts'.
- Liza + = ?
Brett: wrong. The Twitter News Network knew how big it was. We had photos. Videos. First hand reports. And we knew that the government was blocking even more reports from getting out.
- Robert Scoble
Ok, we'll get great info from Fareed Zakaria tomorrow.
- Myrna
Suggesting CNN is better equipped ot get experts is not fair if their reputation erodes. Lots of free agents.
- Liza + = ?
Robert: I don't know beaten is the right term. A news organization moves more methodically than the mob... and for good reason.
- Brett Schulte
Brett: the truth is that CNN is a news business with American news values. If it bleeds overseas we don't care usually. The producers on Saturday made bad news judgment and you know it.
- Robert Scoble
Liza: You or I will not go out and hire a bunch of experts for commentary. CNN has the resources to do precisely that.
- Michael Krigsman
Brett: USGS reported the Chinese earthquake 43 minutes before CNN. That's bullshit that they don't move fast when there's authentic news.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe today, Michael, but to suggest that won't change is antiquated, and how CNN got in this mess, from not following new trends.
- Liza + = ?
Robert: Actually, it's my understanding (not sure) that the international feed WAS vovering it, but the domestic feed did not.
- Brett Schulte
I would love to see this extend to responsible journalism and blogging for all, in all media. Now and in the future. Way to use the platform for the greater good!
- Patricia
Michael: CNN also has the resources to buy HD cameras that I can't afford. I told Jim Long, cameraman at the White House, that we'll now watch him not because he'll be first, but because he'll have the most glorious HDTV. He agrees. HIs camera costs $150,000.
- Robert Scoble
Robert remember the japan earthquake that was reported? Should they have gone with that.. it turned out to be an error. Knowing something 5 minutes sooner or latter isnt as important as getting it right.
- Brett Schulte
@Robert, lots of big media uses flip now. I know of two major media outlets that do.
- Patricia
Brett: the International feed? On my TV that's not in HDTV and is always second rate news compared to CNN. Patricia: yes, CNN plays lots of flip video. They've been playing YouTUbe video all day long.
- Robert Scoble
CNN can afford these things now, but things change and Good pt Patricia.
- Liza + = ?
Brett: did the USGS report the Japanese earthquake? No, they didn't. So what are we arguing about?
- Robert Scoble
@Robert, that's rad. Either way, I love how you always draw attention to stuff. Not enough who have the platform to evangelize change do so like you. Very cool.
- Patricia
Patricia: good point about Flip, by the way. The difference between Jim Long's $150,000 camera and a Flip (or especially between my $3,000 one) are getting smaller and smaller.
- Robert Scoble
The disagreement is on resources, experts, all moving targets.
- Liza + = ?
Robert: Numerous agencies reported the earthquake. I guess we're arguing about what's more important, breaking news, or responsible verification. I think the latter. What would it have MATTERED had CNN been on the story earlier Sunday night? I don't want heresay, I want verified reporting and analysis.... that takes time.
- Brett Schulte
Robert: There are several aspects here: time lag between an event occurring and broadcasting, breadth of reporting (meaning feet on the street - crowdsourcing wins here), quality of the content (accuracy of reporting and trusted sources), quality of presentation (good equipment), and quality of interpretation (analysis and creating context). So, the equation isn't simple. But, we know for damn sure this equation doesn't balance tomorrow as it did in the past.
- Michael Krigsman
Liza: right, on stage during our debate at the Twitter news conference Anne Curry talked about having to fight for resources to cover important stories (she runs NBC's Today Show news). That's what's going on behind the scenes that Brett isn't talking about. This is a business.
- Robert Scoble
CNN also gets beat up when they get it wrong. It's often a no win. anyway - give them a break. Night all.
- Brett Schulte
Brett: we call "aged news" the newspaper. I don't want "aged news." I want the best news first. That's what CNN built its reputation on. CNN didn't say "we're slower but better than ABC/CBS/NBC." They always had the news FIRST. What we're seeing is the destruction of that 25-year-old brand.
- Robert Scoble
The cliches are cute Robert, but it's only news if it's REAL, and confirmed, otherwise it's called irresponsible gossip.
- Brett Schulte
It should be said that media operation is different. it has never been truly "real time." today, yes you hear about it first hand from someone who is there, seeing it -- but that is almost never a journalist. it's an internet user. for network tv, newspapers, even the AP to get a story out used to be fast. the internet has changed that, now, it's faster. they aren't catching up. it'd be...
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- Patricia
CNN and FOX doing great job today. MSNBC still doing prison specials
- Chris Johnston
As someone who is involved in selling a research and reference database to media organizations (not my only clients), I can tell you that every major media organization we deal with is cutting back on their research budgets and staff. I think that speaks volumes about what's happening in mainstream news media right now.
- Thomas
Brett: CNN always had video cameras on air first. That's what built their brand in my head. Now we're watching YouTube on CNN. That tells me that CNN's news brand is under attack.
- Robert Scoble
I love the fact, Scoble, that ppl listen to you, but I hate that they often don't listen to others in this space until you restate it.
- Liza + = ?
Thomas: exactly and if you get news people off of camera THEY ALL admit that's what's happening. Even Rick Sanchez.
- Robert Scoble
Thomas: Economics and technology conspire to force change.
- Michael Krigsman
What @Scobleizer hasn't said, is who did it better. Twitter? maybe, but i trust crowd sourced news about as much as crowd sourced brain surgery.
- Brett Schulte
Brett: Some details in crowdsourced news may be wrong. But the overall pattern and flow of crowdsourced reporting sometimes tells a highly meaningful story.
- Michael Krigsman
Liza: I try to use that responsibility carefully. Brett: I trust it far more, but only after time. The crowd cleans up messes VERY quickly. If I had to wait for CNN I might never know. American news value is to not care about overseas news. How often have I talked with journalists in other countries who tell me they can't get their news on CNN or other news networks? All the time.
- Robert Scoble
Michael, Yes, exactly. And the researchers, who are left, now sit with the reporters. Researchers are doing more writing of stories, and reporters more of their own research.
- Thomas
I could do without "realtime" reporting if I got good analysis. But US news fails to provide that (not just CNN).
- Eoghann Irving
And Brett you are missing that the crowdsourced news network shows us ALL news, not just that from a single network. So we get better informed.
- Robert Scoble
Eoghann: actually even in the analysis phase I find that we're getting better stuff online. Look at http://www.memeorandum.com
- Robert Scoble
Just watched the 140 Conf panel on the CNN. I have loved CNN from day one and remember when it was referred to as "Chicken Noodle News". CNN was the only station I watched during the first Gulf war because it was the most accurate and updated source based on what we were reading on usenet from people in the middle east.
- John McCullough
You get only a tiny fraction of that kind of analysis on ANY TV news network. Or, visit http://news.google.com -- 100x more and 100x better analysis.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: But Brett also has a point if you seek researched accuracy about specific details, which sometimes matters a lot and other times doesn't. Depends on the situation.
- Michael Krigsman
Michael: during an earthquake there's one site that matters: USGS. During the Chinese earthquake we knew that detail online 43 minutes before CNN.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I realize you take it seriously, glad they are listening, would like more ears and more voices, from trad media, that's all.
- Liza + = ?
Most impressive news org research departments from staffing and tech perspective I've seen are New York Times and AP. I haven't been to CNN's HQ.
- Thomas
Liza: "More ears and voices" is totally an economics-driven issue. These forces are larger than any particular news agency and out of their control. They need to play the ball where it lies, not where they (or we) want it to be.
- Michael Krigsman
i mean transitioning FROM print....
- Patricia
Robert: That's an impressive resource that I wasn't aware of. It will take some digesting though. I think there's still a role that CNN (or a similar network) could fill giving summaries and analysis in easy to digest form. Unfortunately I don't think any US network does this currently. I usually end up checking BBC World.
- Eoghann Irving
But, that said, I get testy hearing 'this is business', Robert, b/c I get that. That is my point.
- Liza + = ?
I think there will always been a critical need for journalistic editorial expertise, even as applied to social media. We need to know what to believe. That said, I agree with Robert that the CNN brand has taken a beating, and rightly so. When I turn to CNN and Larry King and Nancy Grace are recapping a non-story for the third, tenth, twentieth week in a row, my first instinct anymore is to open up TweetDeck and see what's coming in from the NYT, Reuters, etc.
- Scotty Perkins
As long as we funnel resources to businesses who don't use their capital (monetary or social) appropriately, there will be frustration. The resources shift, though, are are already.
- Liza + = ?
Liza: traditional media is used to listening to people with influence, they aren't that used to listening to everyday people. Scotty: oh, Nancy Grace is the most horrible thing CNN has EVER done to their brand. Far worse than being 24 hours late on wall to wall coverage of Iran. The fact that that network keeps her on invalidates every argument that Brett has had in this thread, to tell the truth. Really sad.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I couldn't agree with you more about Nancy Grace. Tabloid journalism has no place on a network whose brand is serious, real news.
- Thomas
The US news model puts American news above all else and largely discounts international news. The question is, does that represent what the US public actually wants? Clearly not the people in this thread, but we probably aren't the average US viewer.
- Eoghann Irving
I am British, I watch the BBC. I have no idea who any of these people are :)
- David Lloyd
Thomas: to call Nancy Grace "Tabloid journalism" is a disgrace to tabloids. She's the worst.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: count yourself lucky. The BBC is coming out of this a lot better than CNN is.
- Robert Scoble
Mark: Be grateful. I'm Scottish, but I live in the States. It's not just international news that's bad here. The 24 hour news networks are a horror.
- Eoghann Irving
Robert, My apologies to the tabloids, absolutely. In fact, putting Nancy (dis)Grace and journalism in the same sentence was silly, too.
- Thomas
We also need to make sure we don't overemphasize the wall-to-wall at the expense of the long-form. We need the wall-to-wall to keep us informed of the breaking stuff, but personally I don't feel properly informed about major news until I've heard the analysis on the NewsHour podcast. That's a bit of an oversimplification, but you get the idea.
- Scotty Perkins
Scotty: yeah, we need long form too. I love long form. But media businesses usually don't like it. They know that most people won't watch and that it'll cost too much to produce. So they go back to Nancy Grace.
- Robert Scoble
Sigh...
- Scotty Perkins
Scotty: Completely agree that analysis is at least as important and probably more important than play by play. I'd even argue that a lot of what's wrong with the 24 hour networks has been the emphasis on live coverage at the expense of real insight. When you get a situation like this where they can't even do live coverage, then the weakness really shows.
- Eoghann Irving
I agree!
- Steph Love
@nytimeskristof just posted this link to pictures from Iran on Twitter http://www.demotix.com/iranele...
- Thomas
@eoghann - well done.
- Liza + = ?
FOTA teams to launch breakaway series - http://www.autosport.com/news...
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"Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso - said they had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against the organisation, and had no option but to create a series of their own"
- Brian Sullivan
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So the shit has finally hit the fan.
- Brian Sullivan
W T F
- Richard Lawler
I wonder how this is going to end.
- Alejandro
Alejandro - not well for anyone I suspect.
- Brian Sullivan
What an utter mess!
- Kol Tregaskes
I am glad they were paying attention to how well this worked for the Indy car series. NOT
- Tony C (Unrated)
Wasn't the problem Indy that the major teams split between the two series? What is F1 if almost every major team leaves it?
- In Search of Gender
Looks like old Bernie will need a new gig LOL
- Tony C (Unrated)
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Read-optimize your source code - http://www.brendel.com/consult...
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I agree 5000%
- Jeremy Zawodny
Agreed, and I love this point: 'We can endlessly argue about which style of parenthesis is the right one, but what's more important is that you remain consistent throughout your project." -- the consistency is definitely the key.
- Ken Kennedy
Couldn't agree with this more.
- Keith Bourgoin
There's a reason I follow 100,000 on Twitter and 25,000 on friendfeed: I get to see patterns no one else is seeing. Here's some:
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I saw the Chinese earthquake while it was happening. 45 minutes before CNN.
- Robert Scoble
I see that Bing is gaining steam today.
- Robert Scoble
I saw that people were frustrated on Saturday with CNN.
- Robert Scoble
Matthew: in a way, yes.
- Robert Scoble
I see new software, services, ideas before most other people.
- Robert Scoble
How do you deal with the noise?
- Kevin Lim
How do you filter out all the noise? I find myself constantly unfollowing people to make Twitter more relevant.
- Michelle
And I get to see how they react to news, like Opera's new browser this morning.
- Robert Scoble
The Robert Scoble version of "Google Earth"
- Pete Blackshaw
Big Brother style
- Richard Lai
So that's like "Scoble trends" :) Like Twitter trends, but for emerging events.
- Kirill Petrovsky
Jinx.
- Michelle
Michelle: noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers.
- Robert Scoble
So effectively you start a topic on Twitter, and then use friendfeed as a chat room?
- Richard Lai
i follow almost 60,000 on twitter now and love it. totally agree scoble.
- Jason Pollock
Hoping for some improvements to Tweetdeck groups - just not enough yet
- Kirsten Hamstra
yeah but how do you SEE the patterns, you cannot read them all do you?
- Hans Mestrum
You should be talking about all the spammers on Twitter because that is the trend
- paul mooney
Robert is our filter, we follow robert who sees the patterns and reports it back.
- Ray Slakinski
Here's a hint: I don't always follow 125,000 people. In friendfeed I have lists of only 150 people. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE NOISE.
- Robert Scoble
He has a socket in the back of his head ;-)
- Richard H
Also, in friendfeed I can remove noise by displaying only items that have gotten a like. Like this: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Robert Scoble
Thank goodness we have you, Robert, to do that, so we don't have to.
- Jason Mayoff
make sense following "likes"
- Hans Mestrum
paul: spammers don't bother me. They add about as much value as people who tell me they had a jelly sandwich for lunch.
- Robert Scoble
Jeff Pulver Followers every p0rn site and spammer who Follows him, check his Following list
- paul mooney
paul: here's a little trick: I do most of my following in friendfeed. Why? Better friend management.
- Robert Scoble
I also have issues bc what I have to follow for work is very different from what I want to follow, but that is another issue.
- Michelle
Twitter has gone the way of email, that's why Twitter Search doesn't work - the system is overwellemed!
- paul mooney
Bill: actually you only need to follow a few people to get a pretty good look at the good stuff. Why? If something is good everyone talks about it.
- Robert Scoble
Michelle - same issue here! work vs. professional following and juggling multiple accts
- Kirsten Hamstra
paul: it still works for me. I just skip over the spam. My mind likes seeing spam and noise. It helps me see the news.
- Robert Scoble
For the rest of us - just friend Scoble -- you might hear about stuff delayed 5 minutes or so.
- Brian Sullivan
Where do I get one of these neat sockets in the back of my head, I get dizzy just trying to follow 2K people.
- dabitch
All the Twitter marketers are auto-Following the spammers, it's a perfect storm
- paul mooney
paul: in email I don't care about the spam either. I can always scan a page of spam and find my boss' emails for some reason.
- Robert Scoble
reminds me of roy - I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the darkness at Tan Hauser Gate.
- mike "glemak" dunn
Brian: that is true. My like feed at http://www.friendfeed.com/scoblei... is pretty good.
- Robert Scoble
That's why people who don't follow others on Twitter are kinda of missing the point, aren't they? I love seeing when people are being followed by 30,000 people but following 2.
- Curt Mercadante
BTW Robert, props on following the Iran elections. Hopefully this will open our eyes to what has been happening in Egypt, Russia, Pakistan and a host of other countries for decades. If Benezir Bhutto were alive and had been elected like she would have been, we'd live in a different world.
- Michelle
so robert - could you be an android ;)
- mike "glemak" dunn
Robert: so in a way, if you follows all that people, we actually needs to follow only one person, which is you. here's why: it is most likely that you'll post about the major stuff that you read about in your friends stream - which make you a better filter than any other service around :) (I'm following lots of people too because I simply like to find and read about new and exciting things)
- Orli Yakuel
I totally agree with you Robert. It's like holding your hand into a jet of water and drinking from time to time.
- nik
you need to have the spirit of sharing good stuffs to others, or the good only reaches you but does not spread out.
- K.D.
I cannot get people to join FriendFeed. I even did a video showing them how great it is. I cannot seem to follow that many more on Twitter than 200 and keep up with them. I tried Tweetdeck, but it just used too much RAM for me.
- Hummie
The REAL trick here is that you have a natural gift for scanning with your eyes. I would follow many more people if I could scan (and absorb) information as quickly as you do. Since I don't, I follow you. You are among my first line of defense.
- Bettina Tizzy
All these fortune cookie Tweets are the work of spammers, sooner or later comes the link to the get-rich-quick site
- paul mooney
Robert you are awesome! ★
- weirdchina
@scobleizer I want to see the matrix also... still several K from where you are.
- Robert Freeze
i follow more on ff
- junrxu
Sounds a little like Joey Osmond - Robert I see patterns Scoble? Definitely agree though - there is useful information that can be pulled from the right people's twitter/friendfeed that gives trends developing real time, as long as sea changes over longer periods
- Tom Tubbs
holy shit robert... i just had my mind blown watching your live friendfeed. this whole time i've been trying to control the chaos... keep people organized into neat piles. wow... wowow
- Eric Nakagawa
You are so right!
- Thomas Chai
@Hummie: I had the same problem with TweetDeck. Try SeesmicDesktop, it has similar functionality but less RAM-greedy
- Ashalynd
Robert do you have a link to the video you did showing 'how' you manage all this information flow? I would enjoy watching it again.
- Matt Perry
here's another interesting search which will show all scoble's friends' items that have at least 1 like: http://friendfeed.com/search... only wish this were realtime
- Mike Chelen
Robert - cool post, excellent comments - same exact reason I embraced FF in early days and stayed here!! Love it
- Susan Beebe
Robert since I have been following you I have done a complete 180 on how I felt about social networking before. I mean the media is fast but social networking works at the speed of thought. Now if I could only figure out how to interact behind the Army & Airforce firewall... I felt lost today at work... LOL
- Nathan McClain
Matt, I think that video is this one: HOw I Read Tweets: http://www.kyte.tv/scoblei...
- Robert Scoble
Orli the problem with only following me is that I need to sleep once in a while and I also might not follow people you care about. For instance, if you are into celebrities and not technology I totally wouldn't be good for you to follow.
- Robert Scoble
we know what I care about and I'm glad that I'm following you! but I got the point, and I agree of course. I was just kidding I guess..
- Orli Yakuel
Great video. Watching it again now...
- Matt Perry
Yeah some wild connections are made by watching a lot more than a few friends. Wonder why most people don't "get" that? Researchers should follow a ton of people and sources.
- Jack Humphrey
Jack: actually, people should do BOTH follow a ton of people and sources as well as follow just a very select group of people. I wish I could share my groups (er, lists of friends) with you all. THEY are going to be the secret to filtering in the future.
- Robert Scoble
I'm lazy. I use your feed as my pre-filtered source of good/interesting general information. Thanks for doing a lot of the hard work for us (or at least me).
- John Meagher
Robert I think you are 100% correct, but it touches on what people should have already been doing, and that's getting as much information as they can from as many sources as they can and putting the facts together for themselves. I think traditional media's days of fact-less reporting are thankfully numbered. This is truly Fair and Balanced!!!
- Nathan McClain
Robert: People still won't get it. Seeing patterns is a talent or a skill. You can aid it, however, by showing or demonstrating how you filter for patterns. How do you scan messages and discern a pattern? How do you focus on a few without missing the patterns of the many? Might make a good presentation/blog. You probably already did it, right?
- Alan Eggleston
I don't think it requires following 125,000 people to be aware of the same trends.
- stretta
stretta: it does not, but I get to see small things that many people don't.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - and I appreciate those "small things" :) --- they look like startups! and new bright shiny tech toys!
- Susan Beebe
imagine an AI system that can analyze all that data for you and generate illuminating reports...
- Matt Jaunich
Matt: I can and lots of geeks are working on building just that.
- Robert Scoble
Thanks for the post. I immediately added the "like" search to my saved searches.
- Sean Powell
I follow 60,000 and I see a white light at the end of a tunnel. It's getting closer...
- Rick
You must do this by o s m o s i s....no other way? Intuition and speeed reading.
- Ziona Etzion
Yeah. Robert, I don't read your stuff and I don't know if you're going to read this. But regardless, I know you're well famed and this is the first thing I skimmed across of yours that would indicate that it's deserved. I follow options in the same way., eg almost literally. I have TD StrategyDesk open right now, ThinkOrSwim, Power E*Trade Pro, OptionsXPress, and the regular TD Ameritrade website open as well. Doing this allows me to view and be ware of data and turning points in many views and levels
- Matt Kaufman
Robert: If you could follow all 100,000+ people from Twitter in real time within friendfeed would you?
- Garin Kilpatrick
Twitter is a helpful automatized hammer for the main engine, which is friendfeed ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
I don't see why you couldn't just save a search on everybody's posts with likes on FF though and still follow only those you actually read daily + any protected accts? Even build smarter searches than that. You increase the number of people following you by lots more your way of course.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
from BuddyFeed
Sorry. The trend watching and analytical part would be the same, wouldn´t it, except that I now see that the saved searches don´t update in realtime. Yet.
- ɯɥøq sɐɯoɥʇ
from BuddyFeed
No doubt...
- Thor
Nice post :-) Two questions though:
- Patrick Mackaaij
1. What sets apart the 100,000 people you "follow" to glance at once in a while from the everyone feed?
- Patrick Mackaaij
2. (a Friendfeed question): Do you still read this since I posted this comment a few hours after the initial conversation.
- Patrick Mackaaij
How did you find so many people to follow? How does an average user find so many to follow?
- Bas
Patrick: I was on stage and couldn't be on friendfeed.
- Robert Scoble
Patrick: the people I follow are usually much more tech interested and demonstrate early adopted behavior than the larger public audience.
- Robert Scoble
Never mind all this. How's Opera? Got a link this morning and thought I might try it (what a surprise, me trying something).
- Francine Hardaway
Scoble Earth(TM), Pete Blackshaw? ;)
- Tyson Key
Robert: Is this a Mandelbrot pattern? The chaos has a look, a feel and a taste, as in the jet of water analogy. You're the freakin' hydrologist with the dousing rod.
- Phil Boiarski
Robert: I was not expecting a real time response but was wondering how you keep track of all conversations you engaged with on FF. How can you see where comments are added?
- Patrick Mackaaij
I'm with Robert, just not with such a big of a scale. My point: I am noise and you are noise. Let's not forget there's a baby in that bathwater before one takes a blanket anti social network view of social networking!
- Mike Lewis
makes sense 2 me
- Chaotic Five
OMG Robert I agree 100% BEFORE Twitter screwed with the @replies censoring us from seeing all that people tweeted... I could scroll through my home page and get the pulse of the world on Twitter! A beautiful site! Comparatively now: Twitter is silent.
- Arleen Boyd
Robert, I'm having a jelly sandwich for lunch tomorrow. ;-)
- Ken Stewart | ChangeForge
All major television networks/news outlets should hire Scoble and heed this advice based on this weekends events in Iran. They need to learn how to listen, filter and understand how social media can deliver real-time information around the world.
- E-Advocate Network
böring
- yazarcizer
What tools are you using to keep track of the all that flows past?
- Inbox2 Team
Yeah, Robert is an Androïd! Each time I'm gotta 'like' 1 of his entries, comment, or visit links, I ask myself if I'm doing this because he is Scoble! Of course not: it's just because he's always pointing on valuable infos. And this is good for IT stuffs, for early adopters, for business.
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
So, Scoble proves that the best search & filter engine is Human. (Nah.. I'm not a 'groupie', never will ;-))
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Curt, pple who don't follow others and hope to be followed & heard are obviously wrong. Social Media is not "Ego Media" ;)
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
Patrick, IMO Robert uses FriendFeed's search to find infos, & FF's email features to keep track of conversations & updates
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
or maybe you also miss some important ones because of the noise: like the patterns known by 99% of the users that have less than 1000 followers? does that make sense?
- Ouriel Ohayon
isn't that a little too much? do you even have time for anything else? Is it worth knowing about an earthquake some 30-40 minutes earlier than most people than spending some time with your real life friends?
- stefan
Stefan, the point is: if you want to spend as much time as possible with your real life friends, you have to be as efficient as possible during the time you spend in front of the computer. The more information you drink in a short time, the faster you can identify patterns.
- Brome
Best answer I've heard for why I'm also ok with following and listening to a ton of people on various platforms: "noise is like the lawn. It lets you see the flowers. - Robert Scoble"
- Leslie Poston
Wow, that's a clever use of the platforms!
- Il gareth in Milano
We need information so we can decide while staying in touch with reality. -> Filtering skills, Good Human filter, Good filter tool (FriendFeed).
- Thierry R. Andriamirado
from email
Thierry: thanks I was looking for that indeed! Have changed my settings to see how e-mail works out there but I thought maybe there would be an easier way...
- Patrick Mackaaij
hey it was great to finally personally meeting you and hung out at the diner ; my weblog about the evening now at http://ff.im/45HR3 plus infos about WE LIVE IN PUBLIC premiering now in L.A. and my new video "PERU" @ http://www.youtube.com/watch... ; all the best for the conference today and building43 ;
- ewing2001akaNicomedy2010
Another FF question: I was under the assumption FF would merge duplicate imports so that conversations like these would remain in one place. If I do a search on a tending topic of today this does not seem to be the case: http://friendfeed.com/search...
- Patrick Mackaaij
@Brom, yes. but there is only so much information one can absorb at a time. 100.000 twitters and 25 FFs? Even half of it is too much for a normal person to take in that fast. Robert MUST be a robot O_O
- stefan
@Andy: I'd rather not see any duplicate URL's and have the conversation take place in one thread. Google Translate can solve the language problem. But my question at the moment was what the current status is. I see it's already discussed here: http://friendfeed.com/susanbe...
- Patrick Mackaaij
how do I follow thousands of people without clicking follow over and over
- Kyle Weller
Kyle: Use friendfeed and click "subscribe"
- Garin Kilpatrick
Kyle: its still required to click subscribe for each user, but those clicks are well spent, and FF also will show posts from friends-of-friends. another good option is to join some groups for subjects that interest you
- Mike Chelen
never realized that the *entire* vaccination/autism scare is due to one jerk who faked data in a research report: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol...
Olympia Scott, Shawn McCollum, vijay and 16 other people liked this
wow.
- anna sauce
Like the way DDT was maligned and the needless deaths of thousands ensued from malaria.
- Dave Roth
Inexplicable. I thought @arrington got his name pre-reserved by FB. http://twitter.com/arringt...
Mac Sharp, Kol Tregaskes, Daniel Rowley and 7 other people liked this
I'll bet the twit army got there first, ha!
- Ken Power
Nope, he commented that in the interest of integrity he WOULD NOT take advantage of the early access for journalists.
- David Lloyd
Guess that's what happens when you bait Leo into a meltdown on camera... Those TWiT's have his back apparently...
- JR
This should make for biting shenanigans and theater on the G Gang show today when they pick up where they left off last week on the Great Day of Hurt Feelings...
- Thom Kennon
I was in irc.twit.tv last night at midnight and i don't think it was until about 10 or 15 minutes after the hour that someone mentioned squatting on the arrington fb names (in jest i assumed)
- Chris Heath
Matthew, I don't think it was the TWiT Army that secured the arrington fb names, there's certainly no proof of who it was since if you type up those urls nothing comes up (private profiles i guess?)
- Chris Heath
No ill wishing here... just citing a possible cause. Although I thought I saw something similar happen to @louisgray and the theory is that some names were pre-reserved by the FB crew
- JR
I don't think anyone is squatting on facebook.com/arrington. Like Walt said, I believe Facebook actually reserved it. If you try to go to that page it doesn't exist.
- Laura Norvig
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