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The Secret Behind The Real-Time Web - YouTube - http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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inarli, ffctvhd1, JoeCamel and 237 other people liked this
Ross and Dan made this video to illustrate the advanced technology we use behind the scenes at FriendFeed. (Ross and Dan, you are amazing - I can't believe how awesome this thing turned out)
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
How very creative. This is very fluid and cool.
- Louis Gray
OK, not exactly what I was expecting, but very cool.
- Kevin Arth
Anyone have the video somewhere other than Youtube? it's banned here in Turkey and I can't wait until we get home (next month) to watch it!!
- Chris Myles
Bret, this video should be titled: A Love Song for FriendFeed ! Great vid (and music) !
- Ahsan Ali
This is awesome!
- Christopher Chung
with a community like this - you just can't roll-it into f.b.. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
:O
- Josh Haley
Amazing, thanks for that!
- dkb
According to Ross, they used about 1030 individual pictures in the final version. Stop motion is a lot of work :)
- Bret Taylor
Sure, sure--give away all the secrets. (Are those Lego dudes union?)
- Kathy Fitch
very creative. wonder how long it took to do that stop-action?
- berchman
Ross's best work so far ! great job Ross
- goutham
Major props to Ross and Dan. FriendFeed lives on
- Shane
That's priceless. Great job, guys.
- John Craft
This is superb. I just showed it to my 5 year old son who enjoys Lego and has already taken some great photos, including one or two of his toys. So now he has the seed of the idea that, in time, he could take multiple stills and put them together to make moving pictures. Thank you very much for posting it and giving me and him that opportunity. Maybe, he might use FriendFeed one day too!
- John W Lewis
Great project!
- Anne Bouey
AWESOME!
- Kevin Fox
I think they need to make a full stop-motion version of the Matrix in legos. Now THAT would be awesome. I wonder what bullet-time looks like in LEGO?
- Bret Taylor
i'd pay to see the stop animation lego matrix, but not the sequels
- patrick
"Equipment Generously Provided By Casey Muller" - hahaha!! THIS IS AWESOMESAUCE!!! I love the creative energy and vibe in this video... LOTS of work went into that one! Thanks guys!! :)
- Susan Beebe
Genius, how much time did that all take?
- Wayne Hornsey
Chris Myles: if you want ot - DM me an address and I'll mail you a copy.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
That is so awesome
- Glenn Slaven
happy-making!
- Felicia Yue
I am more proud than ever for being a FriendFeeder :)
- Arvind
Wow!!!!!
- Mona Nomura
Excellent!!
- Kol Tregaskes
That's great!
- Devon Govett
Cool! The friendfeed's manufactury
- Benedetto Vacca
неплохо, неплохо! Продолжение будет?
- atner
Lots of handshaking I see :)
- Nicholas Kreidberg
hahaha very nice stop motion and music!
- Alex Huinchucleffy
BUMP
- Roberto Bonini
FULL OF WIN
- Jac Falcon
FriendFeed API v2 officially launching - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
9000, Sean Kelly, Vezquex and 76 other people liked this
"Two weeks ago, we launched version 2 of the FriendFeed API in beta. Since then, we've watched how developers have been using the API and collected a lot of their feedback. We've implemented some changes, and now, we're ready to remove the beta label!"
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
A two weeks beta in the 2.0 era sounds almost blasphem! Congrats!
- Simone Ruffilli
Congrats to Ben and Gary for all their hard work getting this out the door. And thanks to all the developers who have been sending us great feedback the past couple weeks.
- Bret Taylor
now.we.play /-)
- Nicolas Voisin
Bret - Think we'd all be interested in a longer list as more apps make use of the API. Great stuff
- Charlie Anzman
FriendFeed will now automatically post all your updates from status update services to Facebook if the FF app's installed:
stanjourdan, esragunel, Jim Swi.... and 37 other people liked this
Who said the FriendFeed team wasn't working on new updates to FriendFeed?
- Jesse Stay
Hey Benjamin, do these go out as actual status updates on Facebook, or do they just get added to the stream (via stream.publish)? I think that makes a big difference on whether I install this or not (I removed Twitter awhile back because it was overwhelming my friends). Another option, which I know isn't available via the API yet, would be to set a preference on which friends or friend lists see the status updates. Then it wouldn't matter.
- Jesse Stay
stream.publish is used for all the API calls. Status updates (FriendFeed entries not made via the bookmarklet, Twitter entries, Google Talk, etc.) become status updates on Facebook. Things that aren't status updates (Google Reader shares, the bookmarklet, etc.) also use stream.publish but without the "message" parameter, just a link attachment (and thus aren't status updates on Facebook). Anything with images will have media attached as well
- Benjamin Golub
For make benefit glorious facebookistan.
- EricaJoy
Thanks Benjamin - that makes sense
- Jesse Stay
Benjamin, any plans to enable the bookmarklet to update the Facebook status?
- Louis Gray
Louis: since the bookmarklet implies you are sharing a link, no. It still will be published to Facebook, just not as a status update :)
- Benjamin Golub
Rats. :)
- Louis Gray
Sorry :). The "message" part of a status update is supposed to be the user's words. Most of the time when you are using the bookmarklet it's just the page's title. A work around is to just visit friendfeed.com and copy/paste the URL along with whatever you want as your status. That will become a Facebook status update.
- Benjamin Golub
I wish FriendFeed had a backwards compatible way for me to upload photos and share them. Their photo uploader thingy won't work through a proxy, so I can't share photos here. :(
- Otto
playing around with this now.
- (jeff)isageek
Something I am confused about is exactly which services will and will not be status updates. There are some that I would prefer not to become facebook status updates and some I am cool with. I am not cool with my twitter @replies becoming status updates, nor am I cool with things like Disqus or Backtype becoming one. Do you plan on adding some sort of preferences for users to be able to fine tune this?
- April
agree with april would love to see some way that my @reply messages on twitter do not become my status messages on facebook
- (jeff)isageek
April: basically things that don't have a link (unless the link is *in* the message) are status updates. For example if you typed "check this out" and put a link in the box and hit post that is a status update. But if you shared using Google Reader or have a feed setup to pull in your blog posts those are not status updates.
- Benjamin Golub
OK, got it. Still would like to see some preferences similar to what is currently available for posting updates to twitter, to fine tune this and filter out @replies. I am likely to make all my friends and family on facebook quite angry if they start seeing all the fragmented conversations from twitter.
- April
Sorry for Cross-Post but Ben seems active in answering here. So, currently today I have FriendFeed posts in a Tab and a Box in FB but not update my status info or post on my wall. Do I understand correct that I will no longer be able to sync in this way? That's truly a shame if that is the case, I do not want to flood my friends in FB with the stuff I post elsewhere, it's not fair to them.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Dude, I found that one out the hard way a couple weeks ago. It's total poo. Even after I removed my FB data from my FriendFeed, everything I did on the Internet kept dumping into my Facebook news feed. Acquisition fail?
- Jolie O'Dell
There are more discussions about this here btw: http://ff.im/d0ZMp
- Kol Tregaskes
Now, You Can Comment on Facebook Status Updates By Email - http://www.insidefacebook.com/2009...
Thomas Power, Christopher Galtenberg, Andrew Terry and 3 other people liked this
Friendfeed's blood
- Jérôme
The Lost Symbol - http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Sy...
Lysender, Scoble, Alex Scoble, Kevin Arth and 2 other people liked this
"The Lost Symbol will once again feature Dan Brown’s unforgettable protagonist, Robert Langdon. “The Lost Symbol is a brilliant and compelling thriller. Dan Brown’s prodigious talent for storytelling, infused with history, codes and intrigue, is on full display in this new book. This is one of the most anticipated publications in recent history, and it was well worth the wait,” said Sonny Mehta, Chairman and Editor in Chief of the Knopf Doubleday Publishing Group. Brown’s longtime editor, Jason Kaufman, Vice President and Executive Editor at Doubleday said, “Nothing ever is as it first appears in a Dan Brown novel. This book’s narrative takes place in a twelve-hour period, and from the first page, Dan’s readers will feel the thrill of discovery as they follow Robert Langdon through a masterful and unexpected new landscape. The Lost Symbol is full of surprises.” "This novel has been a strange and wonderful journey," said Brown. "Weaving five years of research into the story's twelve-hour timeframe was an exhilarating challenge. Robert Langdon’s life clearly moves a lot faster than mine.""
- AJ Batac :)
from Bookmarklet
just got done reading this. thoughts?
- chrisofspades
Haven't bought it. :|
- AJ Batac :)
Macro Linz » The Point You’re Missing About Google Wave - http://macrolinz.com/macroli...
Tinfoil 2.0, Daniel Rowley, Tapio Kulmala and 8 other people liked this
"Now that I’ve had a chance to play with Google Wave a bit and to hear what other people have to say about it I’ve noticed that a lot of people are disappointed and it seems to me that they have missed the point... People aren’t getting it right now because they’re expecting the beta to all be about polishing the User Experience. But it’s not about polishing: it’s about defining."
- Lindsay
from Bookmarklet
I just pressed the publish button on my blog when I saw this come by. Good post, and very similar to my view on Wave ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
Yeah, just read yours, Alexander. We seem to be on the same wavelength (I couldn't resist the pun... I think that means it's time for bed!).
- Lindsay
LOL, a wave joke ;-)
- Alexander van Elsas
yeah, a bad one too! ;)
- Lindsay
Nicely written, Lindsay.
- Anne Bouey
Thanks, Anne!
- Lindsay
Really really loved this article, Lindsay! I was rather gobsmacked by all of the Wave haters last week too. You did a great job of outlining the reasons folks should still be excited. Architecture is important too! I shared this on FF and Twitter btw
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Thanks, Daniel! Glad you enjoyed it.
- Lindsay
When I get my invite I will nominate all my great friends that have given me much on all the social networks I use,... http://pingmicro.com/everyon...
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Just checked to be sure. 2 dozen cities. That's it so far. What's the holdup?
- rob
Robert, the reason @foursquare is as big as it is, is because of Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
ROFL - it's third life that's all :p
- DC Crowley
@Rob, its a new product. Give it time. @Scoble, 4square is pigggybacking off of Twitter, I doubt that they will overtake the host, even though it will become very popular in urban areas.
- Alex Wilhelm
Mona: I don't agree. It has very little to do with Twitter. And, anyway, most of the same folks who used Twitter back in 2006 are on it. So, it's tracking Twitter very closely, at least with the early adopter community.
- Robert Scoble
@scoble, but is the appeal as large? Perhaps if they spread it to more platforms, and create a simpler check in process.
- Alex Wilhelm
Alex: the check in process is pretty nice. When you are in a city that's on the map and when your location is there already. That's the early-adopter problem. We're building out the system for them. Now that they have funding I bet they can get the resources to turn on more cities.
- Robert Scoble
Robert - the reason people get so competitive and continuously check in, is because it is on display for all to see on Twitter.
- Mona Nomura
Holden: pure adoption, nothing else.
- Robert Scoble
Mona: not true. I haven't sent a single checkin to Twitter. And I LOVE checking in. Very addicted.
- Robert Scoble
My timeline is FILLED with Foursquare smack talk lol.
- Mona Nomura
@Scoble, indeed. If they had more locations already existing, they would double their growth. @Holden, similar concepts. Do something small, and broadcast to a lot of people. @mona my iPhone is constantly spammed.
- Alex Wilhelm
@holden, get with it, what decade do you think it is?
- Alex Wilhelm
Holden: Foursquare to get official Windows Mobile app in weeks http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7350
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
@mark, dont encourage him.
- Alex Wilhelm
I'm very bullish on Foursquare. It's about as addictive as Twitter and much more compelling than BrightKite. The Twitter connection is not particularly important to me.
- Leo Laporte
I don't get foursquare. But I'm 30something, so I don't think I'm anywhere close to the target demographic, the trendy-hipster-goes-out-every-night-18-20something. For the record, I also don't get people who check in on FS when they arrive at work *each day* (and thankfully, since wising up, I don't get their updates anymore either). My life pretty much equals work (er, don't need...
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- Adam Lasnik
it seems to be for US people only ...
- Steph (sh_skew)
Steph: that problem will eventually be taken care of now that they got funding.
- Robert Scoble
Adam: you sound like a lot of my friends when I started showing them Twitter back in 2006. :-)
- Robert Scoble
You make a good point, though, Robert. There's nothing stopping Twitter from implementing the same feature set, except for their own reluctance to expand their capabilities. Twitter's current "success" will likely freeze them in place.
- Leo Laporte
the fact that twitter was misunderstood but became successful doesn't mean any new company that is a bit odd will be successful. come on scoble
- Mark
Mark: sorry, when 1,000 early adopters friend me on a new service something is happening that CAN NOT be ignored. Foursquare is the real deal and is going to go all the way. I'm addicted and that doesn't happen very often. Last time it did the company sold for $50 million and that was considered a failure.
- Robert Scoble
@Alex I get it's new, doesn't matter. So is every other app in the field, and many manage to work anywhere. @Robert, how many friends do you have on dopplr?
- rob
rob: about the same number, but growing a lot slower than Foursquare. Dopplr also isn't a game, isn't addictive the way Foursquare is, and hasn't gotten many people hot and bothered the way Foursquare has.
- Robert Scoble
Looks cool, but not in Reno yet.
- Kevin Arth
Robert, clearly you are more young-at-heart than I am :D. And frankly, I still am not very excited about Twitter, either, despite having 2200 followers. I pipe my updates to Twitter from FF but halfheartedly, and haven't read through my stream regularly in over a year. I don't need more inputs in my life, I need more outputs. And to continue my curmudgeonly and slightly hypocritical...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: that is true, but how many people can write a book or do something longer? I can, but I have to admit I hate the process. No interaction. I far prefer putting a little burp out into the Internet and then seeing what happens to doing something bigger.
- Robert Scoble
Creating is creating. It's foolish to insist on any particular form. It's all just participation in life. Far more people aren't participating in any way.
- Leo Laporte
I am curious, but like Steph I'm not in the US, so I will have to wait.
- Sean Carmody
"something bigger"... what, Robert? I'm not being sarcastic. What "bigger" comes out from these interactions? Often when pondering this, I see this blips of expression as equivalent to mast^H masticating cheetos. Feels good when doing it, but doesn't feel fulfilling long term. And I think anyone can write a book and anyone can cook :). More broadly, New Year's is coming up. How many...
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- Adam Lasnik
Adam: I can see both a scenario where Foursquare has more usage time as well as another scenario where Foursquare makes more money than Twitter. Why? Businesses pay to satisfy intent. Walking into a place is a powerful intent signaler. For instance, if I'm walking into Starbucks you betcha I intend to buy a coffee. Now, what if you walk into a real estate office? Don't you think competitors would LOVE to entice you to walk about and into their business? Absolutely!
- Robert Scoble
George: not true. I live in a small town in a rural area and it's very addictive. They will be adding more cities soon. I agree that's a big problem, but they did that to keep growth down so they wouldn't hit Twitter's downtime problems. I think that's smart.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I agree with you 100% about the importance and opportunity of location-based-options, I'll give you that much! :)
- Adam Lasnik
Non-American (Rest of the world) user base of Twitter has increased from 38% to 58%. More than half of Twitter users are outside the US. Just saying. Foursquare is limited by its geography.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Foursquare isn't really covering the US that well. Unless of course you assume there are only 20 some odd cities here. For the rest of us, we have to choose the best or closest location? It's not useful if you can't find others nearby. Oh, and in case someone didn't notice, there are 2 locations listed for outside of the US. Vancouver and Amsterdam. It definitely has potential and for...
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- Sheryl
That's my thought too that FourSquare, LBS and even "hyperlocal" sites are limited by its geography. So far, I haven't seen anything online that is intended to be hyperlocal be a major success outside of the major DMAs (not counting stores). For example, I live in the Hartford area so you'd think we'd catch the NYC/Boston wave but it never does (to date). If they can't reach Hartford with success, how are these services going to hit mid-America?
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
I've been trying to explain FourSquare's importance to local businesses a lot lately, and this photo (from the Marsh Cafe in San Francisco) generally makes the best case: http://www.flickr.com/photos.... Once people see that, the lights start to go on.
- Darren Barefoot
no. foursquare will not be bigger than twitter. it does not have the universal reach or appeal.
- jbrotherlove
jbrotherlove: Twitter doesn't have universal reach or appeal yet either. So far out of seven billion people 45 million are on Twitter.
- Robert Scoble
People are totally missing the point: given the time Robert spends on Twitter / FriendFeed / YouNameIT, how come the Scoble's are having a baby again? :-) Congrats!
- Zoli Erdos
I'll wait until Foursquare is actually available in most places. If it falls to the wayside, and it probably will, it's because most people in the world can't even get access to it. Twitter is universal; Foursquare is only available in select few cities.
- Carlton Prest
Limited geographies, slower and more limited take-up of location-based services (the creepy factor, among other issues), juvenile game structure. I really don't see broad and sustained appeal.
- Tinfoil 2.0
nope
- Ouriel Ohayon
I'm not sure I see any immediate value to #FourSquare for most people if it's not available in full strength everywhere. Sure, it's undoubtedly fantastic for people in NY — but I'm not there.
- Hieronymus Murphy
A funny way to triple your followers overnight (only works if you are a congressman): http://twitter.com/scoblei... has it.
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What else is funny is that his opponent in next year's elections, Rob Miller, has earned over $250,000 in grassroots campaign donations since the outburst. Most expensive tantrum in history perhaps. http://www.actblue.com/entity...
- Kevin Arth
$250,000??? Wowza! Little did I know that a tantrum could be so ... lucrative :-)
- Allan Besselink
True, Allan, except that the guy who had the tantrum isn't the one getting all that money. It's his opponent who's benefiting from it. I'm sure Wilson's being canonized by the right, but everyone else just thinks he's a disrespectful tool.
- Kevin Arth
Yes, Kevin, and the beauty is that it IS his opponent benefiting.
- Allan Besselink
Every day kids have to pledge allegiance to the Republic, but if the Republic's leader wants to address them it's a problem?
Benjamin F. Klahn, goldberg_sizzles, Ben Hanten and 9 other people liked this
In that same pledge they talk about that Republic being "under God" but they don't teach about God in schools.
- Michael Koby
Yeah, Eisenhower added the 'under god' bit in 1954. If people say that doesn't imply the binding of church with state they should try changing it to 'under Allah' or 'under Krishna'. In my class they would end the pledge with 'Amen' and that was in heathen Los Angeles.
- Kevin Fox
We spent eight years in our home trying to balance a respect for the Office of President (if not the person holding it) even as our young children questioned his lying, law breaking, and just plain "wrongness." However, we always referred to him as President Bush. If anything, as parents, we should be honored that our President is taking the time to value and address our children, who, while currently voiceless, are observant, and the future of our country.
- Jenna
Amen, Jenna.
- Bette Cooper
Drooling over this remodeled 1909 SF firehouse: http://online.wsj.com/article...
Rob Shillingsburg, Kevin Arth and Jenna Bilotta liked this
If you want thew new iPhone Facebook app uninstall the old and then just reinstall from the app store.
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Worked like a charm. Thanks.
- Kevin Arth
7 Awesome Acts of Nature (That Science Can't Explain) | Cracked.com - http://www.cracked.com/article...
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ebru, Anna Haro and Kevin Arth liked this
It's practically guaranteed that Sarah will be blogging by the time she is in kindergarten. She's a natural.
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SIO∗SISM, Tina-Marie Simba-Masozera, Jfavreau and 83 other people liked this
She'll make more sense then me!
- Johnny
sure.
- Madhav Tripathi
I can't handle the cute!
- joey
joey, just another day at our house! :)
- Louis Gray
Make sure she takes breaks, so she doesn't develop RSI. Eventually, MacSpeech Dictate might be the way to go.
- Victor Panlilio
Anika - a scandal! A fake laptop!? Don't you love your daughter? :)
- Louis Gray
:) mine has a real laptop...but it doesn't work. She is happy to use it, though.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I see she's practicing the LOL in the second pic.
- Mark Evans
She is, Mark. Note she is looking at Google images for puppies. She may have found an LOLdog.
- Louis Gray
I can't believe you let her drool on a beloved Apple macbook!
- anna sauce
OK she's cute, but still!
- anna sauce
For the record, even when I don't click "like," I like all the photos of your cute twins.
- Rex Hammock
Pea, my Mac has lots of stickers. That's my wife's (on loaner from her school), and it only features Seesmic.
- Louis Gray
Thanks btw, to Anna, Rex and all for your nice comments. We enjoy the twins and enjoy sharing them with you.
- Louis Gray
Proof that Mac OSX really is childs play
- Kevin J Hatton
Oh Kevin... (shakes head) :)
- Louis Gray
Kevin: lol
- Kevin Arth
Or, easy enough a child can use it
- Jesse Stay
Way to start her on the best platform, I'm surprised she's not blogging already.
- Wayne Sutton
Make sure you start her off with wordpress or posterous :)
- Wayne Sutton
Twitter + Worpdress + MacBook Air = "Look Who's Talkin'" :P
- Adam Jackson
Never too young to start, but she should start with microblogging before she moves up to full blogging. Get her a Twitter account and let her bang on the keyboard just like 5 yr old @miamalarkey and make sure you archive those tweets for posterity.
- April
sarah needs a cn sticker i see
- Allen Stern
Dude. Allen... you fired her brother. She remembers.
- Louis Gray
چخه بچه .... خراب میشه :دی
- فرزاد
louis - the economy is bad - i got mouths to feed - i would be open to talking to sarah - she seems more the blogger type - matthew likes to apparently beat people up
- Allen Stern
like that baby has a mac and i dont >=/
- Marissa
so... do you let Sarah hammer your mac, Louis? or just your wife's?
- Trish Haley
report says 1 year of Kindle use may be enough to offset emissions the devices produce in mfg,distr. & operation. - http://green.venturebeat.com/2009...
Daniel Rowley, Etienne Levesque Guitard, R M and 14 other people liked this
Cool, yet Too bad Kindle is not yet available in Latinamerica... and too bad we're still very few actually able to buy books legally down here.
- Marco ILLESCAS
This is actually pretty cool, conservation-wise. And Marco, I hear you. It like a negative feedback loop with these licensing agreement outside the U.S. Nobody wants to put the full content of the iTunes U.S. store on the other stores around the world, and you are constantly getting "you can't access this cause you don't live in the U.S. you loser" from online video streams, and it's...
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- midnightgolfer
This has got to be one of the dumbest studies ever. The kindle is now the same as a hybrid car. Most owners buy theme just to make themselves feel better.
- Ryan Ellerbe
I can definitely see Google Reader replacing friendfeed. Can you see it?
Mark Harai, frank barry, Peter and Kevin Arth liked this
Google Reader is great for consuming information, and it is getting better with comments. But FriendFeed is also about photos, audio, video, etc. It handles lists better, and real-time much better.
- Louis Gray
...but isn't it hard to invest in a service with a dubious future? I mean, until someone comes out and says whether Facebook is going to euthanize it, it's hard to justify, especially for someone like me who's a relative newcomer to FF. I know your opinion, Louis, that there's no reason to believe it's going away until/unless we hear otherwise, but it just nags at me anyway.
- Kevin Arth
Google reader can replace FriendFeed in the same way that a life raft replaces a cruise ship. I hope not to make that kind of replacement.
- Bruce Lewis
from fftogo
No. At least not yet. The "killer app" (ok, feature) of FriendFeed for me is probably "Friend of a Friend". As more people Like or Comment on an item, it's put in front of a wider and wider audience, there's a feedback loop of sorts, anyone can join in, and the conversation expands. Reader is not only missing that amplification, but only people you've approved to comment on your shares can do so.
- Ken Sheppardson
They have a looooong ways to go. I tried using Reader for something more than just a reader.... It's way too much work. FF is so intuitive.
- Ben Hanten
Not particularly.
- Derrick
Reader is like FriendFeed without FoaF and where everyone starts out Blocked.
- Ken Sheppardson
Reader is to Friendfeed as SMS is to Twitter. Yeah, you can get stuff from your friends, but that's about it.
- Joel Bennett
I'd be a bit bored waiting for my 2 Google friends to share something lol. Seriously, the Google way just seems too exclusive and not that sociable.
- Paul Cooper
from fftogo
A tasteless FriendFeed, yes, maybe...
- stanjourdan
Comments about Posterous - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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I was just looking at Tumblr yesterday and deciding if it was a service I should consider. I think you helped me make up my mind. Good summary.
- Kevin Arth
I have both a Posterous and a Tumblt blog, and I think Posterous is much better.
- Svartling
Same Blue Dye In M&Ms Linked to Reducing Condition Of Spine Injury - http://taylorarth.blogspot.com/2009...
Kevin Arth liked this
I wish Twitter would sell to Google so it would die like Jaiku and Dodgeball. But I won't post this over on Twitter. I really don't have much love for the service, even though I know I'll be stuck using it for the indefinite future. Jesse Stay has it figured out. It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping.
Anthony Citrano, John B. Osborne, Ozer Wrzl (EN) and 148 other people liked this
Here I can write the equivilent of an entire blog post. And even make changes. And even have a conversation. And use it as many times an hour as I want (Twitter rate limits my apps after a while cause I'm too heavy of a user).
- Robert Scoble
werd.
- imabonehead
I can sense already that FriendFeed is slowing down now that it is joining Facebook, while Twitter still has the best flow (and best system for following people and best mobile clients). So, we're stuck with Twitter, which is too bad, because the technology here is a ton better.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter is a piece of crap - BUT it's where the audience is (currently).
- Jim Connolly
Now it is starting to feel like FF again with you bigging it up again Robert ;)
- travispuk
Twitter is the new MySpace.
- imabonehead
Maybe google wave will change the way we use twitter, etc. again. Haven't tried it yet, but it might succeed where friendfeed "failed" - getting enough people to use it.
- Frank S.
Travis: I had to go and clean out my Twitter and Facebook accounts and spread out my usage.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: I'm thinking of setting up a facebook account for my Marketing blog - what do you think?
- Jim Connolly
@Scobleizer I don't think Friendfeed would be quite so popular if it weren't for twitter
- Prolific Programmer
from IM
Twitter is the new Myspace - HAHA - this quote made my day. For me it is just becoming a multiplicator for my friendfeed but it is important for that!
- Sascha Pallenberg
Prolific: I'm not so sure. Blogs made Twitter. So, what if there were no Twitter? We would still talk up something else. But maybe FriendFeed wouldn't have thrived anyway. Twitter hit a sweet spot with its easy to program API, it's easy to use interface, and its cute name and branding.
- Robert Scoble
Twitter works extremely well on mobile devices. I constantly see people tweeting whereas it's more difficult to do with FriendFeed's interface for a typical user.
- imabonehead
Really think that Twitter is annoying it's users too much. There's some problems out there that are really being ignored. Here's an example of a problem that could be solved very simply, but no action is being taken (if it was solved it'd create a lot of goodwill) http://getsatisfaction.com/twitter...
- Edd McArdle
Robert, now that FriendFeed's people are working for Facebook, and since Facebook has already been making changes to make it more "open socially", do you think eventually that Facebook will become the best place to have serious conversations?
- Carlton Hackett
Carlton: yes.
- Robert Scoble
I've been thinking so too. Although, I wonder how the non-Soc/net junkies will respond to that?
- Carlton Hackett
Robert, two thoughts. #1 - do you think Google really would let it die? Acquiring Twitter would be more like its YouTube acquisition than Jaiku (in terms of price and # of users). Secondly, what would Twitter have to change for you to change your opinion?
- Ben Parr
I really, really, really want Twitter to work out is the thing. It's just a pain in the neck to communicate without either losing the conversation or spamming useless banter over multiple Tweets because you can't fit it in 140 characters. That's just my experience. Those still spending most their time there don't mind it I guess.
- Jesse Stay
I like Twitter. The conversation flows pretty well for me, and to be fair, I get more @replies there than I get replies here to my posts.
- Chris Nixon
I think a combination of the Retweet API and a true threaded replies architecture and UI could change some of my opinion on that though if they do it.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: It's NOT just your experience. Twitter is getting less valuable the bigger it gets. The spam / porn / bots issue is insane and ruining the experience.
- Jim Connolly
Chris: I have a twitter account with over 20,000 followers and get ten times as many replies here as I get there. Here I only have a small following. The calibre of people I connect with here is better too.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse, have Twitter improved their communication with developers since you wrote about it in April?
- Edd McArdle
Edd, over the last week I have noticed a difference, yes, but it's hard to tell if it will remain that way. They now seem to have a project manager over the API dev team (Ryan Sarver). He seems to be putting a filter on some things and keeping devs updated elsewhere. They're still learning though, much slower than FB or FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
agree on spam and bots, but it still is a nice little thing, if it remains what it was made for! marketing and reviewing thing isn't/shouldn't be there, true friendfeed is more effective as a tool for sending your message across, it is simple and strong
- testbeta
Testbeta: ... and FF works.
- Jim Connolly
Jim, Jesse, Robert: Value varies. For me, Twitter value continues to increase. I use it to find out what's happening, meet up with people, get random insights into how people are doing, find new people. It all works well. There are many different use cases and one tool does not have to do them all.
- Rachel Clarke
i couldn't agree more!
- lilian
Rachel: "It all works well"? Really? Twitter?
- Jim Connolly
Rachel, I agree with you. I just don't think Twitter works well for conversations, that's all. I use FriendFeed and Facebook for that. I use Twitter for different purposes, and I agree it does still have value.
- Jesse Stay
sometimes i think of Automattic's intense debate, but well friendfeed is intense debate, such a experience was never had on blogs, the commenting, liking, and so fast it propagates, even disqus commenting systems can't achieve what we have here on friendfeed, but i can't just throw away twitter, twitter still is good, true for the serious types it's word limit, reply system is a bit of...
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- testbeta
I would love to have FriendFeed as the commenting system on my blog.
- Chris Nixon
Chris, there are a few plugins that do that. I haven't tried them though.
- Jesse Stay
Chris: Check out what Scoble's doing with FF on building43.com
- Jim Connolly
Jim: yes. It works well for what I want it to do (I'm ignoring the ongoing issues with the DDOS). It's a free tool that adds far more value than it costs me to wait for odd outage.
- Rachel Clarke
Just checked your Twitter account and now understand exactly what you are saying.
- Jim Connolly
Jesse: agree, I use Facebook, Friendfeed, blogs, comments etc, all for different things. I even use the phone as a phone occasionally to talk with people ;-) But the assumption that one tool/service can do everything - and should do everything - is something I have a problem with. If something does not work for a person, don't use it.
- Rachel Clarke
The twitter ecoverse is cool, can do Psychological Profiles, can do Social Network Analysis. All those services that spawned as a result are amazing. I am also amazed at how dense Asians Languages are on Twitter, think about it they get about 60% more per tweet.
- Robert Higgins
Ben: at this point I am not sure what Twitter could do to win back my love. I will use it just like I use AT&T and United Airlines. I have very little love for those even though I use them frequently. Twitter wins because it is simple and flat and has great clients. I wouldn't cry if it disappeared, though.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
So why do you hate it?
- Raanan Avidor
You want it to die? Such an odd statement. I have met so many great people through Twitter, and the news information I can find through search or news agencies or even people who are newshounds are amazing. I know it's not perfect and the last few weeks have definately proved that, and the spam is just awful. But to want to kill it, what a strong statement.
- PC Easy
from twhirl
Twitter is not abot writing blog posts or having conversations, its about small pieces of information being communicated to anyone who wants to listen. You do not have to listen, if you want a conversation use a forum or FriendFeed, use WordPress for blog posts. Stop trying to make Twitter into something it is not designed to be.
- Darren Rollett
I really used to like Twitter, still do sometimes. What I don't like is the Twitter hype. I don't seem able to turn on any media channel these days without reading/hearing or watching about it. Even the BBC reported that Twitter was under attack recently on the main BBC news. FFS come on, there must be more happening in the world than a micro blogging site with a few million users...
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- Nick Bristow
If you owned twitter would you sell to google?
- cheapsuits
from iPhone
Robert, Atleast something positive could come out of it. If Twitter sells to Google they might(though its not guaranteed) make it opensource and then a federation of twitter server(ala wave servers) can co-exist happily and that way we'll own our stuff(as Anil Dash and other points out). Or they might integrate it in Wave framework. Not that people are not gonna complain about it but thats a different topic.
- Abhishek Sharma
Surely an improvement in the service would be a more positive wish?
- Chris Nixon
Say what you want but something with the architecture of friendfeed is far more conversational then twitter could ever be.
- cheapsuits
I don't know why people think Twitter is the place to converse. It's really not built for that. I find myself enjoying the flow of conversations more on Facebook and FriendFeed.
- Naomi Williams
Self pimping? Hmmm... Perhaps not for all of us. And besides, self-pimping isn't limited to twitter.
- @JonAston
PS - Maybe it's just me, but you seem bitter lately. Hope you turn that around for yourself.
- @JonAston
Jon: You are right. People pimp on FriendFeed too; as I say in my new book.... :-)
- Jim Connolly
@jim, they will do anywhere, this is human nature, they do even in real life, so why not in virtual one?
- abdellah
Abdellah: Absolutely.
- Jim Connolly
"(Twitter) It's a horrid place to try to communicate anything other than a bit of self pimping." AMEN
- Alejandro
Personally I wish Google would buy both Facebook and Twitter so they could both die.
- Brian Sullivan
@brian, hey where could I read to you then?!!
- abdellah
@Frank S. Google Wave will only be valid if you actually have other friends/collegues who use Google Wave. Otherwise you'll be using it with the *crickets*
- Naomi Williams
Oh yeah -- forgot that due to circumstances beyond our control FF is now Facebook. ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
oh yeah , they share the same vision, they got the same perception...
- abdellah
I hope the FaceBook people will take comments like these to heart. I do like twitter but the functionality FriendFeed brought was the next generation in stream notification.
- Chris Jackson
Mark: Yeah - all I need is a title. Oh, and a book....and the time to write one....then I will be pimping like a pro!
- Jim Connolly
Wow Robert, I was thinking this the past few days and could never bring it to words...well done
- Braden Douglass
I was gonna call the Funky Phantom. (That really dates me.)
- Jim Connolly
Robert, I challenge you to stop using Twitter for a month and then blog about the experience. And that includes hiding all Tweets in FF.
- Mike Doeff
from iPhone
Lets face it, Twitter was built as an update service - a big Internet megaphone. The natural transition has been from update service to marketing service. Big Internet Megaphone. It's good at that, but it's not at conversations nor at discovery. The larger problem is people still approach Twitter like a true social engagement tool - and it's simply not. The disconnect between perception and reality results in the poor adoption numbers and other soft metrics.
- AJ Kohn
twitter is noise. filter it and you can find some gold. imho, that's beyond mere self-pimpage
- Rob Schieber
i'd love to meetup with fellows and see what api scraping is going on - know where threads are for that?
- Rob Schieber
Idk, This seems so much better then twitter.
- SeanParnell
It does have a lot of noise, granted - but if it went away now, I'm not sure where everyone would run to. Facebook is too silly, Linkedin is too stolid, and everything else is too fractured for me to communicate with all the people I want to in a single shot. Guess I'd end up doing everything through ping.fm after all.
- Ciaoenrico
Wow, Isn't online chit-chat such a fuss? :)
- SeanParnell
Robert, just a week or two you were saying that Twitter is beating FriendFeed because of scanability http://friendfeed.com/scoblei.... And you had lots of complaints about the FriendFeed user interface. You also talked about how Twitter was much better after you un-followed everyone and hand picked who you're following. I have to ask, what has changed in the past few days to make you say that the service should die? Feels like you're flip flopping.
- Mike Doeff
Can't you apply for extended API limits?
- Tristan Seligmann
love the single post/status page, i mean like this: http://twitter.com/twitter...
- testbeta
I noticed that in the past two weeks, the tweet intensity has greatly decreased from all my follows in Twitter. Granted, I'm not following too many, but the ones I do follow have traditionally tweeted a lot each day. Is this a trend (has Twitter become a has been) or is this simply a coincidental anomaly?
- Jeff Sayre
Robert I find myself on friendfeed more these days
- (jeff)isageek
@brian would you consider myspace if both facebook and twitter die?!!(ps: sorry I forget the LOL)
- abdellah
Myspace -- don't know. I haven't really tried or paid attention to it. But probably not -- isn't it Facebook like? Maybe usenet? ;-)
- Brian Sullivan
brian, let forget all those techie and go irc :)
- abdellah
IMO, people who don't like the limitations of Twitter and whine about it hampering them are using it wrong. Twitter is not a place to pimp your blog or drive traffic to your site. It is not an SEO tool. It's not a place for you to compete in order to get more 'followers'. If you've ever tried to do any of these things, or if you ever followed more than a few hundred people, then yes, no...
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- Otto
Well said Otto
- Chris Nixon
Jesse Stay: you should stop complaining so much about twitter when you build an entire business based on their lack of functionality and other issues.
- Mihai Secasiu
Mihai, I'm not complaining - they can do what they want. As I said I really want them to succeed. It's a matter of fact that they do have their flaws - I'm hoping to help them fix those, assuming they're listening at all. What are you doing to help Twitter get better?
- Jesse Stay
it is like twitter if for what,where, when and friendfeed is for why, how
- testbeta
Mike: just because I use a service doesn't mean I love it. I use ATT and United all the time and they suck too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
And yes Twitter has some good things about it. Doesn't mean it is all good. Personally it is overused and overhyped and YES I am partially responsible.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Apostol I get value out of Twitter. You aren't listening. I get value out of AT&T too but it COULD be so much more. Chris I tried to be positive but Twitter just doesn't respond to positivity. Plus they are cynical AT BEST about their users. Read the Twittergate documents to see just how cynical they are.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Twitter was just there at the right time. It's not the best solution to the problem (microblogging), but it's good ~enough~.
- Trent Hamm
You seriously think Twitter will die once it gets bought by a 'bigger' company?
- Mike Shields
Mike: do you use Dodgeball? It was bought by Google. So was Jaiku.
- Robert Scoble
Trent: did you just call Twitter the Microsoft of microblogging? Yeah, that's sorta what I was trying to say too! ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I just find it amazing that all the early adopters get really snobby about Twitter now it is getting more mainstream. There is something snobby about people's attitude to Facebook as well. I'm not a fan of Facebook but I know more people who use Facebook than use Twitter or Friendfeed combined. Even my mum has a Facebook account but she'd never be on Twitter or Friendfeed. Twitter...
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- Paul Nash
I liked Pownce. I wonder what SixApart has cooking up for them. So there's really no chance for Plurk to make a comeback and take back the community? With all the outage problems Twitter has, I would think Plurk would try to capitalize on that. Guess not.
- John Wang
now if the Google Reader team could just get their new commenting system streamlined and real-time ... :)
- Peter du Toit (S.Africa)
Paul: it's not hard to understand if you are in our shoes. Here's why. When a company is young and struggling to get noticed, they love having early adopters. After all, that's the ONLY WAY a company gets to the next stage. I've never seen a company go straight to Oprah stage without getting early adopters excited. Then once the company gets enough traction they usually start mistreating the early adopters. In this case Twitter stabbed them in the back. Leo Laporte, for instance ...
- Robert Scoble
...got me excited about Twitter and was THE REASON it was the big huge deal at that 2007 SXSW. He had more followers than Mashable last year. But did he get put on the Suggested User List? No. So now Mashable has more than a million and Leo has a knife in his back. And you think it's amazing that early adopters turn their backs on Twitter? Really now.
- Robert Scoble
I don't see how Leo has a knife in his back. There was no preconceived notion that anyone would be added to that list. Who cares? He was fine before that list was created, and he can be just as fine now, and just as engaging.
- Andru Edwards
Andru: when he was hyping up the service and telling his users to use it, he was getting something in return: being at the top of the follower lists. When Twitter artificially put its own people at the top of the follower lists, and handed out grants of followers (worth many hundreds of thousands of dollars, by the way -- Mashable has changed its entire business to be Twitter centric) they specifically dissed Leo and many others. Most of whom won't point it out in public.
- Robert Scoble
Sadly true. I'm in much the same boat -- Twitter is a necessity for professionals and bloggers to stay on top of things, but other socialnets like Brightkite and FF are light years beyond it, which doesn't look to be changing any time soon. Don't even get me started on the spammers and the get-rich-quick'ers.
- Ryan Meader
But before the SUL was released, didn't Leo abandon Twitter in favor of Jaiku, due to Twitter having "Twit" as part of its name? Just saying, if I owned a list that I had complete control over, and someone showed that behavior towards me (whether it was right or wrong, I am not judging), I would think twice before putting them on a list that will result in many people seeing they they...
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- Andru Edwards
I can't agree with you more, Robert.
- Jon Ursenbach
Scobe: I very much disagree that it is about self pimping. Perhaps your senses are mush because you follow too many? I absolutely love getting that link to a new article or research, or to get a tweet from that celeb that makes me think and provides insight into a new world. I also use it as a research tool, for exploratory purposes. Twitter, as you know very well, is about what you make it, and that is a tenuous notion that really is influenced by who you follow.
- Chad Gesser
Andru: again, the list did NOT exist in the days when we were hyping up Twitter. So, there was a "promise" to early adopters that if they invested time in the service they could be at the top of the follower lists. Sort of how PlayFoursquare is today promising users that they can become mayors of places they frequent more than anyone else. What Twitter did was the equivilent of PlayFoursquare telling everyone that their "mayorship" doesn't matter anymore and that Oprah is now mayor of everywhere.
- Robert Scoble
Chad: one thing you have to remember about me is that I see that Twitter has 1,001 uses. Stop seeing the world as black and white. This is one post I'm making about Twitter among thousands. Translation: I already agreed with you. But you have to admit that many people use Twitter for self promotion.
- Robert Scoble
Andru: and anyway, the SUL is hardly the only reason to diss Twitter. Twitter still goes down all the time, it still has stupid rate limits. It still can't block spam effectively. It still has no friend management. It still has no features that didn't exist a year ago. And it is, in many respects, behaving worse. I'm hearing from developers that Twitter is becoming more closed, not more open (to monetize) and we're seeing them pick winners before the marketplace is done (bit.ly anyone?)
- Robert Scoble
The nice thing about Twitter is that it keeps your message short and to the point. Friendfeed is great but it doesn't lend itself well to an external app out of the browser. Also FriendFeed and any of these services you don't own your content
- Seth Goldstein
Seth: bing! So, back to the blog we will go. Except, why are we still here? ;-)
- Robert Scoble
Awww Twitter the "me" network :)
- Wayne Sutton
from iPhone
Anyone tried Streamy?
- cheapsuits
because the interraction is in real time
- abdellah
Wayne: retweet me. :-) abdellah: I thought it was because of all the sex. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
that was my expectation too ;)
- abdellah
Robert: But what do you want from these companies ? Chaps like you give them the oxygen of publicity they need and they court you and then when they become successful you suddenly start to criticise them. Friendfeed has become successful (in great part to your endless plugging of it) and the founders will now go on to make money through their company being taken over by Facebook. You,...
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- Paul Nash
Scoble: no doubt....I can deal with the self promotion, the e marketing and spam garbage though to me is what has gooootttt to go
- Chad Gesser
Paul: my role in life is to use what will be, not what is. I don't turn on many companies, but Twitter isn't one that dealt with early adopters on good faith.
- Robert Scoble
nick: I explained why above.
- Robert Scoble
Is there a "social media" company that has dealt with early adopters in "good faith"? Facebook, FriendFeed, Flickr I suspect don't qualify ? Any that do?
- Brian Sullivan
all platforms seem to have self pimpering styles, why so passionate against twitter? Objectional question, not one of rhetoric.
- nick tadd
Brian: I didn't know that any of those have actively dissed their best early adopters. Facebook kicked me off, but only because I broke the TOS. It's always been straight up with me. Same with Flickr, although I do watch Thomas Hawk's talk about their censorship.
- Robert Scoble
none as brian says, they all deal with them, and "the earlier adopter" contribute to their evolution until they sell (sorry)
- abdellah
nick: because it's so prevalent there. "Look at my blog post about xxx" is almost a staple on Twitter. It's a new RSS reader. Which is fine, I use it too for that! :-)
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I think you may have the makings for one of your future blogs here. Perhaps you do it for that reason? ;) The thing about Twitter is always going to be its LBE. It's a mainstream LBE to Social Media. For that very reason its perfect for business, government, and non profit to take public temperature and promote. The other "noise" is the "MV", the "mainstream voice". The conversation is 4 way.(and yes sometimes only 1 way) but there it is and its not going to go away any time soon.
- Melanie Reed
Yes, indeed, Twitter is the Microsoft of microblogging. It's good enough, but not the best - but it has the huge advantage that everyone is using it, so you have to use it for compatibility reasons.
- Trent Hamm
DAMN Robert I HATE that you are right on this one!!!!!
- Arleen Boyd
Hopefully you use it for positive self pimping and not for negative pimping... which is inevitable
- Kevin Burrell
Alex, they are taking mobile seriously - they sold to Facebook. :-)
- Jesse Stay
What makes people think Facebook or Twitter is all-conquering? There's a new generation coming through, and they aren't using these services. It's very important not to get sucked in by the hype of a service you use. Fanboys will talk up the positives and ignore the negatives, giving you a skewed message. The truth is somewhere in the massive grey area in between.
- Chris Nixon
The new generation uses Facebook a lot, but not Twitter.
- Steph (sh_skew)
from email
Twitter is just a temporary solution for a quick mixture of instant messaging + status updates + chat forum.
- Bora Wiemann
Just having a discussion today that Twitter will eventually go bankrupt when the hype is over
- Khuram Hussain
I don't agree with you Robert. Twitter is easy to use, succinct and versatile. I've made multiple very meaningful connections through my use of twitter. I do like friendfeed's threaded conversations which are great but in a way it only helps those who have big followings like yourself, because people are more apt to comment on your thread than say mine because they know the conversation...
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- Lon Cohen
For example - how do I message you directly so you know I'm speaking to you (i.e. Twitter @ reply) but all your followers and my followers know that we're having a conversation in Twitter back and forth so that they can follow and interject when they want. Everytime we do that we have to start a brand new discussion thread and I have to "tell" you somehow that I'm talking to you. Twitter is like email/phone conversations and friendfeed is like collective blogging/commenting.
- Lon Cohen
Amen, Robert.
- Lindsay
The power and beauty of twitter originate from limitation. Think of it as conversation haiku.
- Brendan
Just got done filming a video of @danielha who showed me Disqus v3. I am impressed! Love the comment engine competition!
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What's new in v3?
- Andre P. Siregar
Dude, give us some info! ;)
- Andru Edwards
Awesome. Looking forward to the new release
- Andre P. Siregar
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I just spoke with FriendFeed cofounder Paul Buchheit. Did you know that he promised family that FriendFeed would continue? More:
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He told me they messed up by not communicating better last week. The deal happened so fast that they didn't pay attention to everything.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I like how this is starting
- Robert DeBord
o0o0o0
- Mark
as its own service?
- Lee
you are the one who keeps proclaiming its death
- Mark
That's what Compaq said when they purchased DEC. (for those of you old enough to remember)
- RobinDotNet
A promise is not a guarantee.
- Amit Morson
Such a tease, Robert. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
More smoke-blowing. I don't care of Paul swore on the graves of his ancestors. Actions speak louder than words. Some vague promise to a group of people I'm excluded from doesn't do much to assuage my unease.
- Akiva
Akiva, you're right, but it's not smoke.
- Louis Gray
Okay, Louis, true. I retract that first sentence. The rest of it, however, I'm sticking by.
- Akiva
Akiva: well I feel a lot better about things today.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Continue just as it is? Or with key changes?
- Karma Martell
I would expect them to post more on this topic soon - on their personal blogs.
- Louis Gray
If that's what Paul wants to promise us, he needs to release some kind of official statement, not send a message through Robert.
- Rochelle
Soon.
- Louis Gray
I bet you as part of the contract, its in there not to shut this down
- Stephen Pickering
Rochelle: there are too many unknowns to make a definitive statement yet.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
keeping my hopes up. but i do remember working at a few radio stations that were bought, we'd get a memo saying 'the format is not going to change' about three weeks before we switched to spanish. i think there is just too much here for ff to vanish. keep the dream alive!
- michael sean wright
How can he when it`s lost all of its autonomy? Supplanted by Facebook, bought outright no?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
It couldve been part of the deal not to let the site die
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, like you said, one can hope. However both of us know how corporates work and it takes one small decision from share holders to close down the service, no matter what.
- Nir Ben Yona
They want to get to Facebook and get those unknowns nailed down first.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Holden and Rochelle, etc., let's be patient. If you see the post I put up last night and add Robert's comments here, we should be feeling a lot better today than we did on Monday.
- Louis Gray
Robert, all right. Well, after my initial freak-out over this, I've gone into complete wait-and-see mode. More of these vague promises and 'coming soon' messages don't really do much for me. When someone say something definitive, then I'll be there to consume it. The rest of this just doesn't add up for much.
- Akiva
That was a great post Louis
- Stephen Pickering
Thanks, Stephen. I thought it was important.
- Louis Gray
Akiva, exactly, waiting for official word.
- Kol Tregaskes
Nir: the way it was told to me contractually it can't be closed down anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I hope they don't change it so you have to have a Facebook account to use it. I have one, but share it with very few; I use Twitter and FF for everyone. I want to be able to use it the way I do now.
- RobinDotNet
Like any takeover/merger, some details just take time to work out. Hopefully FF can stay around in some form and help make FB better. We'll just have to wait and see. Thanks, Robert, for the info.
- Mark Edwards
I agree, we haven`t seen anything substantive in the way of contract etc but fingers crossed.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
But doesn't mean it won't be shutdown at some point?
- Kol Tregaskes
And, Louis, I didn't see your post from last night but I'll read it as soon as I get back from the store.
- Akiva
was Pownce a bit like Friendfeed? I never used it
- Mark
I can't get my hopes up when Facebook is in the picture. :-(
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Stable Door and Horse comes to mind.
- Kevin J Hatton
The fact that the FF folks haven't yet said "This is how we want it, so this is how it's going to be" is just evidence that they don't have the final say on the matter. If it's subject to some additional authority/approval, nothing is certain at this point.
- Ken Sheppardson
Kol: it won't be shut down anytime soon. He was quite clear about that.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Kol, the truth is they work for Facebook now, and therefore, FriendFeed can/will change, and it may not change 100% how you and I want. It may be part of Facebook's site later, and it may not. But Facebook is changing from what we know of it now to something new where they overlap.
- Louis Gray
In other words that was in the contract. Makes sense, since they were hesitant anyway
- Stephen Pickering
Robert, OK but maybe at some point though.
- Kol Tregaskes
I sure would like it if FF continued indefinitely.
- Jason Nunnelley
Kol: nothing in life is guaranteed.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Patience is a good thing. That said, if FriendFeed wasn't growing at a rate much higher than it has been, something would have to change. You don't bottle up such talent and experience and have it work on a product that was losing.
- Louis Gray
Robert, What about death and taxes?
- RobinDotNet
Good to hear. I am sure they will take time to decide what exactly to do with FF. How to integrate them together. What to do etc. FF the R&D for FB I think it could be
- Robert Anderson
Robert, true. All a bit vague still though.
- Kol Tregaskes
Scoble: encourage Facebook to keep FriendFeed as a premium brand. Let them tie it to Facebook data or whatever, but keep the system separate.
- Gary
Louis, right, this gives them legitimacy and exposure
- Stephen Pickering
Kol... if they wanted to grow they way they "deserved" to grow, this place would have changed underneath your feet to something you might hate. This is one way to put real capital and people behind the site as it is now.
- Louis Gray
If this thing grows by leaps and bounds, FB is not going to close it
- Stephen Pickering
Mark: anytime a blogger says something is dead ALL that means is that it is less interesting than yesterday.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Over time, we will learn, Sam. It's a classical marketing/engineering decision. Do you build for the current user base, or the potential user base? With change. some were bound to leave anyway.
- Louis Gray
Louis, not arguing that at all. My point was about shutting it down or not. I'm at the wait-and-see stage, waiting for more news from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
And any time I write a headline that says it's NOT dead... maybe I know what I'm talking about. :)
- Louis Gray
But this service grows more useful the more users there are
- Stephen Pickering
Something needs to happen. Twitter is useless now - maybe a new denial of service attack. I would love to see the Friendfeed technology spread to the mass user base that Facebook has.
- Frode Stenstrøm
Well, at least he acknowledged they messed up.
- Rodfather
Frode: that was what Paul told me too. He wants the tech here to be used by everyone.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
I don't understand why Google didn't buy it instead.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Rod, FriendFeed has no PR or Marketing. Maybe if they did, this would have been handled differently. Some things come naturally, and others are hard. But I bet you will see a lot more soon.
- Louis Gray
I've heard the same from another founder, Robert.
- Anne Bouey
Franz, no official word, just wait for an announcement from FF.
- Kol Tregaskes
They didn't want to work for google again.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Makes you wonder about a due diligence ckecklist and the speed of getting this deal done
- courtney benson
Kinda why they left. ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Right, look at Google Reader. They don't know how to do social
- Stephen Pickering
It's all wonky and hard to understand
- Stephen Pickering
But GR is going in that direction.
- Kol Tregaskes
Companies come and companies go. They can go by closing their doors or by being acquired. Only time will tell whether FriendFeed has come and gone.
- Jeff Sayre
GR is trying, but its all wonky and totally un understandable
- Stephen Pickering
Oh. I just don't trust Facebook at all and can barely stand using it after being here.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Jannifer, I think we have to look beyond the caricatures of people like Zuckerberg, and recognize that he too may want the same things we do. Facebook is growing up and I bet FriendFeed and its team is a big part of that.
- Louis Gray
Louis, hope so.
- Kol Tregaskes
courtney: Paul talked about that too. He said once the team made the decision they knew it had to be closed overnight to prevent it from leaking.
- Robert Scoble
Louis I think its a perfect marriage, genius engineers + genius Marketers
- Stephen Pickering
Well, he didn't quite say "prevent it from leaking" but he said "it's important to do it all at once." I knew what he meant, though, that it had to be done fast to keep things from getting crazy, like they do once decisions like this get taken into public sphere.
- Robert Scoble
I am sure paul is truthful in that he would like for it to go that way, but this is a M&A situation, and even if it is written into the agreement, there are a million ways around it. At the end of the day, shareholders make the rules in a majority vote. If ff isn't integrated in fb somehow, I fail to see how it benefits fb.
- Erik Boles
from iPhone
Kol: Paul was emphatic that Facebook is a far more interesting company at this time in both company's history.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Somehow this doesn't sound too convincing. If Friendfeed has been losing a LOT of regular users because of their deal with Facebook, they'd be concerned. Friendfeed is likely to get you to speak on their behalf, since you are their most popular user. Maybe Paul is trying to convince you, so that he can indirectly convince others too. That might save an early end to Friendfeed brought on by the rapid loss of users.
- K N Ajit Narayan
I totally agree with Paul, by the way. Facebook is a much more interesting company to join right now than Google is.
- Robert Scoble
Facebook = Microsoft 2.0
- scott anderson
Robert: Did he mention anything about Mashable reporting an acquisition had been talked about since `07?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
YAY! thanks Scoble for letting us know - i feel alot better today!
- Chris Clayton
Hey, Microsoft had a decent run
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yeah, Zuckerberg is a lot smarter and a lot more down to earth than most of the press gives him credit for. He's always been straight up with me. Much better than other companies have treated me.
- Robert Scoble
And that's even including getting kicked off of Facebook for 24 hours.
- Robert Scoble
@ Scott, LOL Facebook = Microsoft 2.0! I see your point, but it far surpasses Microsoft Live attempt at a social network.
- Nakeva Corothers
Erik: technologies that have great audiences don't get killed. If anything will kill it, it will be us. By leaving.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, cool. Well if they can ditch a lot of their annoying features, like this FB Lite might be, then I might be interested in moving over with all the FF features implemented but I just can't work with FB in it's currently state. I had another go this weekend and still didn't like it. But I'd be even happier if FF stayed here. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
this is gonna be an interesting story to follow for sure. For now I am just using friendfeed the way I have been and see what comes out down the road. life is about changes.
- (jeff)isageek
sofarsoShawn: I don't know what you're talking about regarding Mashable.
- Robert Scoble
Maybe I missed it earlier in this thread but why can't they just come out and say something directly to the community? Obviously a lot of people are concerned and anxious about it... Why do we have to hear second-hand? And why has it all been so vague? No news is not necessarily good news in cases like this.
- Lindsay
Robert, Leo called himself Leo Scoble today because he deleted his 5000 FB friends and moved them over to his fan page
- Stephen Pickering
jeff: yeah. Visiting Facebook is going to get more interesting. He also said that the first month at Facebook (which starts Monday) will be all about learning about Facebook's code. So, no new features will come quickly.
- Robert Scoble
Ok. I hope Facebook changes a LOT so it's more tolerable. Although I don't like it, I need to set up a good Facebook page for business so I can remain competitive.
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
I hope they do right by you. You brought them to the party. I hope that gets recognized somehow monetarily.
- Jim Posner
Saying that it might be shut down at some point doesn't tell us anything new, though; after all, any site might be shut down at some point due to going out of business etc.
- Tristan Seligmann
When anything comes out of this it was always going to be long term.
- Kol Tregaskes
Can i just add - Paul never said friendfeed was going to die in the first place... instead they said the complete opposite - "FriendFeed.com will continue to operate normally. We're still figuring out our longer-term plans for the product with the Facebook team."
- Chris Clayton
sofarsoShawn, yes, Facebook had been talking to FriendFeed since 2007.
- Louis Gray
Lindsay, I bet the FriendFeed team has a very busy week and maybe you hear from them on all this soon.
- Louis Gray
Robert: "technologies that have great audiences don't get killed..." oh, come on, you know better than that! My dad worked at IBM so I've been seeing tech companies kill great stuff that their customers liked for most of my life!!!!
- Fred Davis
Jim, Scoble has gotten no money from FriendFeed (nor have I). Neither one of us expects to, as that would change the relationship.
- Louis Gray
Fred, right, the Innovators Dilemma, but in this case its cost of running a website is halving every year
- Stephen Pickering
Louis: yes, but Paul told me that when I last was in the office they hadn't yet decided to go to Facebook. Everything happened in the past two weeks. I think you even walked in on one of their key decision points. He said they worked all weekend long on the agreement.
- Robert Scoble
Fred: nothing in life is guaranteed, yeah, you're right. But there's no business reason to turn this off anytime soon. If we all leave there will be.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: e.g., consumer company changes focus to biz or gets acquired... new company direction leads to consumer products getting killed despite popularity... that's just one of many ways that good tech gets killed all the time!!!
- Fred Davis
No disagreement on that at all, Robert. I know I walked in on something big, and that was my mistake for not calling ahead.
- Louis Gray
Seems their valuation stood on Roberts shoulders to some degree. At the least, a public thanks would have been nice.
- Jim Posner
Jason: i know, thats what got me freaked out too - i just thought i would add it in incase anyone missed it :) and because im a little bored! lol
- Chris Clayton
Fred, can you give any examples? Any software I used to use that is no longer available was replaced with something better.
- RobinDotNet
No business reason that WE understand... 'cuz we don;t go to Facebook board meetings ;-) Facebook may have their own agenda... in fact, I assume they do...
- Fred Davis
Jim: I do this because I love it, not because I expect thanks or goodies.
- Robert Scoble
Why even bring this up if they can't talk about it? Nothing has changed just more innuendo and smoke and mirrors and a lot of 'what ifs'. Wake me when there's something concrete.
- Derrick
Robert: when you talk to paul next, can you push him into doing a public announcement on it all? Just give him a nudge in the right direction! :)
- Chris Clayton
RobinDotNet... god, too many to count! First one I was bummed about was in '85 when Musicworks was the best MIDI program on the Mac... got acquired by some jerky game company that decided it wasn't a game and stranded all the users! Yeah, eventually new better stuff came along... but that didn't do the users of the current any good at that time...
- Fred Davis
Derrick: sorry, I totally disagree. I didn't know that contractually they can't kill the service anytime soon.
- Robert Scoble
Derrick, there is more than smoke.
- Louis Gray
It makes sense, they had leverage to make that deal
- Stephen Pickering
Fred -- Okay, so that was one that was 24 years ago. Have any more recent examples? If you can't think of any, then they obviously weren't that important.
- RobinDotNet
Because they were hesitant, they had the leverage to make that part of the deal. Makes total sense
- Stephen Pickering
Um, apple buys leading music sequencing package and kills of PC version because, um, they want to force you to use a mac... come on, the list is endless!!! Companies screw customers by killing good products for their own reasons all the time....
- Fred Davis
Fred, you keep saying the list is endless, but the only one you can name is one that came out about 2 years after the 1st Mac, 24 years ago. I'm just saying....
- RobinDotNet
Fred, but what if part of the deal was not to kill it?
- Stephen Pickering
Derrick: believe me, Louis and I have been talking and concerned about the messaging coming out of this deal more than anyone. We both invested a lot of our time/careers here. Louis has been talking with the team too and that's where his post came from yesterday. I suggest you read it and read between the lines too.
- Robert Scoble
Understand Robert, Really not about your motivation, just good manners in my opinion for Friendfeed to thank you publically. Maybe they have and I missed it. I think you did more for promoting the service than the founders.
- Jim Posner
now, what facebook decides to do with friendfeed... who knows... Yahoo kept Flickr going... so far... but that seems like the exception... no one's really using jabber any more, but it lives on in the upcoming Wave and as XMPP at Google...
- Fred Davis
Jim: thanks, appreciate it. Paul did thank me in the interview I did with him right after the announcement was made.
- Robert Scoble
If there is a contractual obligation on FB's part to keep FF running, the obvious question is what does this contract state and does it give a duration. Hopefully we'll hear more later.
- Kol Tregaskes
Why? What would be the point? I respect you two enough and all that you do in the world of social media and that's fine. I want a place I can converse, post my pictures, air my gripes, and continue to establish the friends I've made via Friendfeed. Will I be able to do that or not? I'm so tired of the conjecture. Some of us, are just people who love the service and more than anything, very simply, we just want to be able to utilize it.
- Derrick
Kol: I call it the "Paul is sleeping on the couch for a month" clause. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
LOL, Robert.
- Kol Tregaskes
For a company like Facebook, I would imagine that the consolidation of branding advantage would lead me to suspect that even if Friendfeed is kept going in some way, it will be re-branded as Facebook... just like Longs, Wamu, and Wells Fargo are going through right in Facebook's backyard.
- Fred Davis
Derrick, this is the place to do that. :)
- Louis Gray
"For now". ;-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Throws sheep at Kol
- Louis Gray
Hehe, Louis.
- Kol Tregaskes
The other main issue I have is that, now we are creating content for Facebook. Facebook owns our data. For some reason I didn't mind Paul and his team, they were blacksheep. If I wanted to make Facebook richer I would type in Facebook in the URL. I dont want to make Facebook richer.
- Robert Higgins
What are the alternatives to FF? Isn't there Streamy, Plurk, SocialThing?
- Eric
Louis, I'll be counting sheep soon, need sleep. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Of course, since I'm hoping Grabbit will replace Friendfeed for most people, I'm more than a little biased, and that makes me care a lot less about what happens to Friendfeed... even though I love the service, and hope Facebook keeps it going. We're already planning to support Friendfeed in Grabbit, and the new Friendfeed API is awesome, so who knows what the extent of the disruption...
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- Fred Davis
Sam, I know there is something. I am upset, because I wanted to buy FF someday! :)
- Eric
There has to be an alternative.
- Eric
Jason: too early to know that for sure. I'd start with the API. From what my friends are telling me who are good developers the API is actually very well thought out.
- Robert Scoble
There was an alternative, but I think it shut down.
- Eric
There is no need to replace FriendFeed. That there are options to decentralize our info is great, but I'm not going anywhere.
- Louis Gray
It was called SocialThing.
- Eric
Fred: I just don't like Facebook's service for WHAT I DO. For my wife? It's freaking awesome. And the execs there have always treated me very well (Zuckerberg walked around Davos with me, while every other journalist was drooling over the opportunity to do that -- he's a lot nicer and smarter than most people give him credit for).
- Robert Scoble
Eric & Jason: my new web thingie Grabbit, will do everything Friendfeed does and more, so much more... it's still in alpha, and the beta won't be out until next month... but already the alpha features better Facebook and integration than Friendfeed, IMHO... so, check out grabbit.net and ask to be on the beta list, and we'll keep you posted...
- Fred Davis
It was called Rejaw, and it was shut down.
- Eric
Fred: can't wait to see more about Grabbit.
- Robert Scoble
Robert: Hey dude, I TOTALLY agree with you about Facebook! I've been telling people for a while that I think Facebook is in the process of Yahoo-ing themselves... and that ain't no compliment!
- Fred Davis
FriendFeed family or real family?
- Mona Nomura
FF is crazy to sell. They should've sold to Google, what were they thinking?
- Eric
louis i agree with you. i am not going anywhere either. this is the place i love and think is awesome
- (jeff)isageek
Robert, is Paul referencing his FriendFeed family or real family? (not expanding thread - too long)
- Mona Nomura
Mona: real family AND FriendFeed family. They are one and the same if you look at it the right way.
- Robert Scoble
Sam: what do you mean "intergrate email" friendfeed already has email features so it depends on what you mean...
- Chris Clayton
Same here, Jeff. If FF is still around I'm not budging. It it goes FB on us then it's bye-bye.
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Wave is like FF?
- Eric
Sam, got that in Grabbit... email, RSS, blog alerts, news alerts, and more... plus the coolest friend management stuff to help you sort all that out, not just the messages, updates, and alerts...
- Fred Davis
Mona: if you want me to do something for you, talk Maryam into it first. :-)
- Robert Scoble
Eric: just like the others you mentioned, it has 1 or 2 similar features, but completely different!
- Chris Clayton
and twitter, facebook, friendfeed, etc., of course... we're starting a signup on grabbit.net...
- Fred Davis
I used to use FeedEachOther which was like FF.
- Eric
Now there is Google Reader.
- Eric
Google reader is improving, but still has a long way to go. On the social side.
- Bluesun 2600
That's the one thing I've always liked about FriendFeed - the founders (and staff) interacts with the community, as do their family members. The community members were treated like family, too. :) Whatever which way, hopefully Facebook will integrate FriendFeed's functions to carry on the "feel" over there as well. Personally, I have the more the merrier approach! BTW see you Thursday, Robert! Gnomedex sold out!
- Mona Nomura
I'm not up to speed with this discussion, but FB must have bought FF to merge FF tech into FB. FF for everybody, not just Scoble and tech friends.
- Zato Gibson
Sam: i was actually looking for a way to have the subjects of my emails show up on my friendfeed dashboard awhile ago - do you mean like that? Because that would be awesome!
- Chris Clayton
i would love to see friendfeed get a killer mobile app...maybe improve on fftogo a little more
- (jeff)isageek
Google Reader is my current alternative btw. I've found the share box today and now using it like FF's share box. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Google Reader is great, but it's not built to replace FriendFeed. It's not an aggregator, for one.
- Louis Gray
one thing is I don't think you can share images from pages as easily as FF's share.
- Bluesun 2600
Life2front has anyone heard of it?
- Eric
i think you can look at two services that were bought up and never really changed all this time in flickr and delicous so hey maybe friendfeed stays around as it is...maybe just integrates a bit more or something with facebook
- (jeff)isageek
Well you can put your services into a folder then create a bundle and share it. But no not quite like FF. It lacks a lot of features and Comments view is awful.
- Kol Tregaskes
and look how long google had grand central before they really even started doing anything with it.
- (jeff)isageek
So Friendfeed stays on as a side project instead of being abandoned. Does that really make a difference in the grand scheme of things? The service isn't going to grow by leaps and bounds either in audience or functionality now. I guess a slow death is easier for people to deal with than a quick one.
- Dare Obasanjo
Sam: i love that idea... email services dont have RSS (not that i can find anyway) i was looking for 5 hours for one afew months ago so i could put it in a private group to show up on my FF stream. but i ended up being dissapointed!
- Chris Clayton
I hope we all converge over to Google Wave and that some clever sod codes a FF-type service built on the Wave protocol. :-) GWave is great fun to use!
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: are you going to send me a download link? :P im still waiting for it from the 'sneak peek' survey i filled out AGES ago!
- Chris Clayton
Whhhhhhat how`d you try it already?
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Dare: there are lots of things that don't get many new features but are still very popular. FriendFeed still has way more features and is better technology than anything else I've seen in the marketplace. Maybe someone will eclipse it, but that won't happen soon and, yes, a slow death is definitely better than a quick one. Why? Cause you can make plans and change your behavior.
- Robert Scoble
Download link for GWave? Don't work like that. ;-) Just wait until 30th September, Chris. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Kol: but september is too long to wait :( blame scoble for making me a social media addict! :)
- Chris Clayton
Hehe, it will fly by.
- Kol Tregaskes
Robert: if this is just about whether they'll shut off the servers or not then why is this even causing hubbub? Given the complaining of a vocal set of users I'm sure that even if they planned to shut off the site, it'll keep going for a while. However it seems obvious that all their innovative ideas and day time hacking should be filled with innovating on Facebook not here.
- Dare Obasanjo
As both Louis and I have said - these guys have been nothing but actions thus far and haven't let us down. I see nothing changing from that yet, so I suggest everyone continue that trust. They have done nothing to break that trust yet. And like I wrote about, Facebook needs them as much as they need Facebook - Facebook wants to change into something more of what FriendFeed is, from what I've seen and read.
- Jesse Stay
It's not about shutting the servers off for some (most?) folks, it's a matter of how you reconcile FriendFeed and Facebook's views on content licensing, ownership, and privacy; whether we'll continue to see innovation at a pace faster than what Facebook's user base has historically been comfortable with; and whether we'll see a continuation of Friendfeed's openness towards third party developers and the open source community.
- Ken Sheppardson
And as I've said over and over again, Jesse, I think most of us trust the FriendFeed folks as individuals, but that trust doesn't necessarily transfer to Facebook as an institution.
- Ken Sheppardson
I second Ken. Zuckerbergs plans/dreams are also a kind of wild-card here. They could be favorable to us FriendFeed users, or not. Up till now, Zuckerberg hasn't done much favorable for me. That sucks. I wish it were different.
- Meryn Stol
Say what you want about Facebook but Zuckerberg and/or Facebook has revolutionized the Internet by forcing people to be real. (not real-time) It even reflects on Youtube - the commenters aren't as moronic as they were say three years ago, since more and more people are using their real names and identities.
- Mona Nomura
It's always like this and it never turns out the way Paul says it will, though I believe his intentions are honorable. At some point you no longer work for the old company and you start working for the new one. My guess is this has already happened. Soon people from the old team will have their new assignments, and then one day the server will go down. They'll bring it back up, but...
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- Dave Winer
Damn, Dave. And I thought that *I* was a cynic.
- Akiva
Akiva, I've been through it myself, and been in Paul's position.
- Dave Winer
Dave, I don't doubt that at all. It's just amazing from my perspective to see it put so honestly. Well put, sir.
- Akiva
Only when I was in Paul's position, I had a simpler situation cause we were developing shrinkwrap software and our mission was supposedly unchanged. We didn't have servers that had to be kept up 24-by-7. Even so, six months after the merger, the whole thing was turned upside down and the team had all-new priorities and tons of people had left, including the top guy (me!). I would get...
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- Dave Winer
Well put, Mona!
- Jesse Stay
Dave, I expect it to change, but I also expect that Facebook is doing this for not just the team they just acquired. I think Facebook really wants this technology.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, that may be true but they'll want it for Facebook. And if you're a fan of Facebook, that's great, Facebook's going to get better. But if you're not? If you're a a fan of FriendFeed? Then all you're going to end up with is a bastardized FriendFeed with lots of dipshit apps.
- Akiva
Jesse: I'm not so sure. The technology will need to be rebuilt for the Facebook infrastructure. That's one reason why Paul doesn't have good answers for us yet. He said he needs a few weeks to really dig into Facebook's code base before he even has a good idea of where he and the FriendFeed'ers can really add value.
- Robert Scoble
Akiva, I'm a fan of both. And you know you can ignore those apps - that's not something you can do on FriendFeed or Twitter. FriendFeed would have gotten just as bad as it grew.
- Jesse Stay
Dave: thinking back on why I joined FriendFeed, it was because I expected that the team would do something interesting in the future. That reason has now been fulfilled and now that these guys are at Facebook it'll be interesting to see what they do.
- Robert Scoble
Jesse, where is the button to ignore the apps? I want to ignore all of them, all the time. Instead, I have to click hide on every single bloody one of them and still get notifications from people wanting me to add apps. I'd tolerate Facebook better if there was a magic "no apps, ever" button.
- Rochelle
Somewhat selfishly, I have just gained a whole load of new friends on Fb, here and on Google Reader and have learned loads about sharing and subscribing for which I thank you all :-) I will just watch and wait now, but I do agree that if everyone dashes off somewhere else and deserts FF, it could well hasten its demise. Best to try and use all the services and interlink them if we can.
- Julia Ault
Rochelle: I want you to install the FriendFeed app. :)
- Louis Gray
I am sure that FB was not happy if FF was going into MS hands or Google hands ,they bought it and now they will be the most important live and live search player on top of the best social community,,I am happy for them and for us as well ,they will keep our home and thats great news
- Johni Fisher
Jesse, this is true. I guess my real point is—aside from the easy-as-punch Facebook app snarking—that the very philosophies on which each service was built are essentially different. I'm not saying that these divergent ideas can't be unified. I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. I'm sure the...
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- Akiva
Wish I was a millionaire like him :/
- Mark
"I'm just not convinced that they're compatible enough to be integrated without irritating one group and overwhelming the other. " - very well put, Akiva.
- Meryn Stol
Akiva, who says they will become one site? Why not enable the two communities to remain separate if they want, under the Facebook brand? I don't think we know yet what will happen.
- Jesse Stay
Good news because I love friend feed in it's current format.
- Rob Cairns
Robert, yes, we don't know for sure, but then again we don't know for sure - I don't see reason to change too much of our trust until something actually happens. I do know Facebook wants to open up more, while still retaining your right to privacy. The privacy thing is something FriendFeed (or Twitter) doesn't have, and I think would be a welcome addition.
- Jesse Stay
Rochelle, you have to do it either by app, or individual (unless I've missed the option). That said, I would kill for the ability to do that on FriendFeed or Twitter. They don't even have that.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse: FriendFeed doesn't have apps, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to; if you mean the ability to hide posts aggregated from a particular service, that's already there.
- Tristan Seligmann
Last I checked, Jesse, FriendFeed didn't have MafiaWars or Superpoke.
- Akiva
(If you click on "Hide", and then "hide other items like this one", you get a whole list of options)
- Tristan Seligmann
FriendFeed has a finite number of things to hide ("all items from Bob", "all Flickr posts", etc.). That's much more easy control than the thousands of apps on Facebook. It's like playing whack-a-mole over there. It feels like the more I hide, the more they appear.
- Rochelle
Akiva, Tristan, it's only a matter of time before the auto-dm apps appeared on FriendFeed. So long as FriendFeed grows, they will come. So long as it doesn't grow, it *does* disappear. There's no "hide all from the app that generated this DM" option on FriendFeed.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, and, with all of the hide options already present on FriendFeed, you don't think the devs would have had the presence of mind to include something similar for any supposed FriendFeed apps?
- Akiva
Akiva, I trust that they'll add that as much as I trust they'll continue to fight for FriendFeed at Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
They don't even need any extra options; you can already hide direct posts based on the application that created them. For example, if you hide this post of Robert's, you'll get the option to hide all posts by iPhone.
- Tristan Seligmann
Jesse, I think no-one doubts that *they* will fight. The question is if they win. They're just employees now.
- Meryn Stol
Again, I'm surprised that my own cynicism—legendary in its own right—is being beaten about the face and neck in this thread.
- Akiva
Meryn, I also know the Facebook team - they're just as competent as FriendFeed's. Their original audience started different than FF's, but they too have to expand.
- Jesse Stay
Holden: engagement.
- Robert Scoble
It's hard for innovators to stop innovating, and for entrepreneurs to lose the total freedom and self-reliance that drives them. Every entrepreneur that I know personally (only a few, alas!) who has sold for the big bucks has eventually gone on to create something else.
- Kathy Fitch
Jesse, as I said earlier, my lack of knowledge on the plans of Zuckerberg is the problem. Do you know Zuckerberg? In the end, he's gonna decide what appears on Facebook or not. Also, it's not so much a matter of competence than it is a matter of vision and taste.
- Meryn Stol
I'm sure the FB engineers are competent.
- Meryn Stol
And wouldn't it be fascinating to have a gander at the kinds of separation agreements folks who leave FB must sign? Almost as interesting as seeing the acquisition agreement in this case.
- Kathy Fitch
It's totally unclear if future conversations we might have on FB will ever be indexable by Google. (or any other search engine) That all depends on Zuckerberg's final say. I can't look in the guy's head.
- Meryn Stol
Sure seems like you're scrambling, Robert, to place yourself in the center of this when you were completely blindsided by the sale. Justs sayin'
- Mattb4rd
Louis, nope! Those are two separate worlds for me and I intend to keep it that way.
- Rochelle
Once you stop owning something you lose the ability to make promises about it. Good intentions or no. One hard headed business decision like FF is not earning its keep or we need the resources elsewhere and it's done. Been on both sides.
- Todd Hoff
The only thing that would make a real difference in this case would be an unambiguous statement from Mark Zuckerberg himself. Let him address the FF community and actually say what he will commit himself to. I suppose he's a man of his word.
- Meryn Stol
Good news. Doin' the right thing!
- Rob Schieber
Yeah sure! Promises Promises!!!
- Jose Luis Santos
Hmm. A whole lot of the sale was in stock options. Takes awhile to get fully vested. The next few years should prove very interesting.
- Kathy Fitch
How can you live up to that promises when you no longer own it?
- John D Reasor
Actions speak louder then words, and the key is the final decision is no longer up to him. I am sure Paul means every word he says I just not sure he is going to be able to keep it.
- Kim Landwehr
"Promises are a bourgeois invention and, anyway, they're meant to be broken." [V. I. Lenin quoted from inexact memory] by
- ianf ⌘
@louisgray's »If you see the post I put up last night...« <http://friendfeed.com/scoblei...> If you cared for others to read that post, you'd have included a direct link to it. It's the essence of hypertext, and any "Silicon Valley early adopter, tech geek blogger" worth the name would have done just...
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- ianf ⌘
It would make some business sense to keep FF as some kind of separate site/module, if just to stop another site taking it's place and becoming another competitor.
- Robert Littlejohn
Hi Ian! I get what you are saying, but sometimes, dropping links to my own posts in other people's threads looks like spam. I also believe a good number of people saw it, and know how to get it otherwise. That said, it's right here: http://www.louisgray.com/live...
- Louis Gray
Robert - To say Facebook is more interesting to work for than Google may be a stretch. While Facebook is growing exponentially and has challenges, Google faces HUGE challenges just staying Google ... while exploring new areas of growth. Keeping the index relevant is a big challenge in itself. On the other hand ... the 'FF guys' have worked there already and know how they feel about what direction they wanted to go ... which .. I think ... makes a little more sense?
- Charlie Anzman
Charlie: remember most of this team already worked at Google. Facebook is pre IPO. Google is not. The potential rewards are much larger at Facebook and the potential to have an impact is much larger at Facebook too.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
Posting links (references) to one's other posts "looks like spam"? That's news to me, and a lame excuse. In any event, given main difference between worlds of analog and digital publishing being ability in the latter case to refer back to source in unambiguous and granular fashion (rather than, as in analog, to indicate issue, chapter, page, verse, line, etc - if at all), not including...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf, I agree, but it feels like spam when you're doing it. Encourage him nicely.
- Bruce Lewis
i suspect that, if FF were to survive relatively unchanged it will be through an open-source effort. i doubt FF will survive as a stand-alone site w/ Fb paying the freight.
- MikeAmundsen
Keep in mind that despite the best intentions, nearly half of all sincere promises end in divorce.
- April
Robert: I agree that the technology with great audiences don't get killed off, but the name of the game to the shareholders is money. It makes a ton more sense for facebook to integrate friendfeed into facebook, an already monetizable model, vs. leaving it as a de-coupled technology that has to have a new revenue model built for it.
- Erik Boles
like x1000
- Vezquex
With so much money still on the table in the form of stock options, there's certainly plenty of motivation to make FB stellar. If FF ends up being treated well, too (for whatever reason--a promise, a warm fuzzy feeling, its potential role in helping to make FB stellar), then I'm all for that.
- Kathy Fitch
There is a way to argue keeping FF going makes sense to FB: The important thing in social software ISN'T the software, it's the people who use it. If the people who use FF are sufficiently different to those on FB, then it could make sense to keep both services. Possibly they may end up using the same software, but have different brands. Think of VW group in cars (SEAT/Skoda/VS/Audi are...
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- Nick Lothian
Interesting thread. I think that Paul has the best intention and he will do everything he can to keep the existing service up. Dave Winer has a good summary of the forces he will have to fight against. Making a Facebook vs. Google vs. Microsoft decision was probably a hard one. I am wondering if Twitter was in the race too...Twitter + Friendfeed could have been a great team to go...
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- Edwin Khodabakchian
Why the outreach now and not earlier in the week? Has something spooked the FF team? Seeing people looking for alternatives, and poking around Google Reader, Streamy, SocialThing, perhaps? Robert said it himself, if people leave here, FF dies, and the team doesn't have a whole lot to sell to FB (yeah, arguably) and that could scotch the whole deal. So I'm just wondering why the outreach now?
- Dominic Jones
ianf: don't you know, links are dead? ;)
- Tristan Seligmann
read it from the begining, I'm happy FF crew is beginning to acknowledge the questions, Dave definitely has a point, but all-in-all I thought death was near, it looks like it gets delayed for some time. The main thing is ppl are still here although reader is the new playground...unfortunately the communication with their team isn't all that good...
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Dobromir, "read [297 more comments] from the begining" is not a good advice for anything, least of all here, in the Kingdom of Perpetual Constant Fragmentary Attention Overload, where realtime fly-by comments are the rule.
- ianf ⌘
Robert, thank you for sharing this info. I hope everyone got the message clearly. Wonderful news!
- Michael Fidler
from iPhone
It is not whether Friendfeed lives or dies. It's whether our free-wheeling, anarchic, community-driven approach will be replaced by the bland family-oriented guidelines of Facebook. Will we still be able to chuckle of Asian men on a beach, for example?
- Aaman (Clone of FF)
hey all, we can't return to the past, what happen has already happened, now the question is this one, may a micro community survive inside a large community, the answer is YES, FF community can and may have the same social behaviour it has here, and when move to FB, we need just to preserve our connections, and to maintain the same behaviour. that all, but even ancients tribes don't survive without scarifying some of their tradition.
- abdellah
Will Friend feed just get - morphed into Facebook now? clearly they want to take on Twitter. I noticed that I tryed to remove my Friend feed from facebook recently because less techy friends complained that I take over there Friend feeds...! But I can't... mmmm
- PRBristolco.uk
FaceFeed. Nom nom nom.
- Marlin Forbes
My goodness, there needs to be a way to search comments...I scanned to see if Paul had chimed in, but didn't see that.
- Chad Gesser
Scobe: I hope he does chime in. I think he needs to since you broke that.
- Chad Gesser
Chad: I think he'll say more after he has a little time at Facebook and can give definitive answers as to what the FriendFeed team is going to do there. He told me that will take several weeks.
- Robert Scoble
no i didnt know that
- Chris Nwakalo
if so wonderful news
- Ronald
Facebook is genuinely interested in best in class customer experience. I can't yet envision what features or practices are incorporated or left behind, but it seems a positive move for users. There is always a die-hard loyal following that doesn't want to see their Freind (feed) go away. Heck, I still record The West Wing on Bravo.
- Jeff Marmins
Yeah i sure hope so robert. . i really rather not be on facebook.
- RamirezG
Chad, to aid in scanning, you can do a Ctrl-F (or equivalent) and search the current page for "- Paul Buchheit" and/or install my user script that adds a mini avatar to the beginning of each comment http://friendfeed.com/friendf...
- Micah
Scoble, why do you think FriendFeed won't get sacrificed by Facebook management? Most sensible thing, to me, is to get FriendFeed integrated as a feature of Facebook, then eliminate the individual brand. Fact is, it's Facebook's decision at this point, unless the FriendFeed guys got something in writing to the contrary (which likely didn't happen). Sometimes you've got to go with your...
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- Jason Nunnelley
Jason: it doesn't really matter. I've been on Facebook all morning and they already have a lot of FriendFeed's features. Soon the rest will be moved over too. And the servers won't get turned off anytime soon, based on conversations with FriendFeed and Facebook. So, for now, use it and be happy. Me? I've already been spreading out my social networking time just in case.
- Robert Scoble
and before he disappears into a part of the web that I can't find.....how do you say his last name? Boo-Kite? Buck-heat? Really, I don't know and I wanna know. Just so I know, You know?
- Morgan
a few notes when playing 1 on 1 Mario Kart against Louis Gray.
1. he always nails the turbo start
2. pick a fast car and don't crash
3. expect alot of crap in road in front of u. especially bananas.
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9-0.
- Louis Gray
Haha, Louis!
- joey
Not surprised. LG is so frickin' competitive he would never agree to play unless he's nailed the secrets to win. ;)
- Mona Nomura
Mona might be right.
- Louis Gray
agreed. however, I haven't played in 6 months or so. :-)
- Adam Helweh
from BuddyFeed
Whereas Mario Kart might have been a contributing factor to my not blogging today.
- Louis Gray
Louis, I gotta ask - on Mario Kart DS, do you snake?
- Andrew C (✓)
I don't have a DS. Wouldn't know.
- Louis Gray
Still feeling the sting.
- Adam Helweh
As you should. To be perfectly honest, none of those races were close. :)
- Louis Gray
2 of the 12 had there "close" moments. It all boils down to me driving like crud with no way to catch up to someone who obviously rarely clipped anything that would slow him down. No way for me to catch up unless my car is faster and I drive perfect.
- Adam Helweh
That can only be tested by a game of Virtua Fighter. Or, if one has a pair of twinsticks available, Virtual On. =)
- Andrew C (✓)
A (Google) Wave vs a FriendFeed Post. Here's a quick overview of the structure. (updated version here: http://docs.google.com/View...)
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blip = post & blip = comment & a document can contain photos, rich text
- Ahsan Ali
a wavelet provides access control. It provides a branch where participants can be different from another branch.
- Ahsan Ali
a wave, itself, can also have participants: which implies they can see/control all the wavelets
- Ahsan Ali
I've written a bot that creates a post on FF for every blip... but it's not feasible. The alternative is to create a comment for every blip .. and thereby lose all formatting/photos.
- Ahsan Ali
Hmm, I should flesh out the FF side of it. An FF Post can have participants. A Comment has an author.
- Ahsan Ali
From the Wave docs: "Waves are hosted live conversations between multiple participants". Excellent definition.
- Ahsan Ali
Did you create that graphic?
- Chris Heath
cool
- Chris Heath
Now if only I could get a login for Wave!
- Rick Cogley
I'll need to update this mind-map further. Will post an updated one later.
- Ahsan Ali
I think anyone working in tech - not just programmers - can get access to the sandbox. You just have to pitch them a good reason :)
- Ahsan Ali
Ahsan, yeah that makes sense
- Chris Heath
Yeah, seeing that I'd take the money and run too
- The Real sofarsoShawn
lol @ shawn :)
- Ahsan Ali
You forgot that on Friendfeed, a post also has addressees. Addressing specific people on FriendFeed also allows for access control, since the post/thread/conversation will be private. If you post something to a private group (and not your home feed), the whole group will have access (and not the public).
- Meryn Stol
It's a pity FF doesn't allow me to edit/reattach inline images ;)
- Ahsan Ali
Sounds too complicated to start a new technology off with. They need to start more simple.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, the map is from a technical perspective .. visually, you'd just see a threaded conversation with (optionally) private sections. It is interesting, however, how much FF has achieved with a relatively simple model. Maybe their success is _because_ it was simple ?
- Ahsan Ali
Yeah, the friendfeed side of this mindmap is very simplified right now. I really think Google Wave will run into some mainstream challenges for what I've read so far (don't have wave account yet). However, aren't you really just displaying the threaded feature of a Wavelet? That would just be the ability to comment to a comment in FriendFeed.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
manielse, yes. The major difference between the two is threading.. except in Wave, a comment is equal to a post itself (with photos, rich text, etc, multiple participants). Hence the recursive nature of the tree. A comment (blip) can have a reply, which can have a reply in turn.. and so on)
- Ahsan Ali
But these are features that some of the FF users have wanted, to reply back to a comment and also with a richer content such as a diagram that explains the topic better.
- manielse (Mark Nielsen)
Updated version as per Meryn's suggestions: http://docs.google.com/View... This is not meant to be an exhaustive mindmap - just an overview of the structural differences.
- Ahsan Ali
Nice
- Chris Heath
Ahsan, I know how it looks visually - I'm on the dev sandbox. I still say it's too complicated for an initial launch. They need to start simple, the Google way.
- Jesse Stay
Google Wave is all about potential. In a sense, it's like handing someone a copy of Visual Studio or Eclipse and saying, 'Okay, now go build what you want!' The majority of people will say, 'Uh... what?'
- Akiva
Akiva, agreed. That's why they haven't released it to the public yet.
- Jesse Stay
Http was the same way - and look what we have now?
- Iphigenie
Interesting comment, Joelle. I wonder if Microsoft will branch off from the Wave server protocol at some point, like they did with XML, and do their own thing. :) Interesting times, ahead.
- Ahsan Ali
Ahsan -- what a great post! Pure gold. (And I happen to think that Google Wave is the wave (oops) of the future. But I need to get hands on with it for a few days to be sure.
- Sean McBride
Glad you liked it, Sean. Be sure to view the updated version (see the link I've edited into the original post).
- Ahsan Ali
I didnt have a precise enough project to make it into the closed access, apart from having written time and time again that what we should have and want was an open standard, distributed system matching nearly word for word the wave press release... (although the reality will probably be different). AM more interested in what can be done on a node basis than writing bots.
- Iphigenie
A key question in my mind: will Google Wave feel more cluttered than Friendfeed? The beauty of Friendfeed is the simplicity of the look and feel. Will more power features reduce the impression of simplicity and clarity?
- Sean McBride
You really can't compare FriendFeed and GoogleWave, they're both completely different things. Google Wave is a set of technologies that I feel will contribute heavily to the next generation of social networking tools, however it will not replace them. http://jaredquinn.info/article...
- Jared Quinn
Reshared to the Clonefeed/OpenFF room
- Roberto Bonini
To answer Sean's question, the interface itself looks pretty, but inside the wave it can be difficult to manage: I don't like some of the keyboard shortcuts; the threading in a live chat becomes confusing. While the windowing is slick, you feel like you need more space (at least on my monitor). They need to work on the UI (see Jesse's points above).
- Ahsan Ali
It's nearly certain that people and companies will come up with different client "front end" apps which are slicker to use, focused on using wave for a specific purpose - live chat/discussion, document management, information sharing, location enabled services, archive access, tech support, games...
- Iphigenie
"the threading in a live chat becomes confusing" (I wondered about that from the first moment I saw a Google Wave demo -- it looked busy and noisy...)
- Sean McBride
We strip the threading out then, sean..... non threaded real time conversations work perfectly well here on FF.
- Roberto Bonini
Roberto -- I need to actually use Google Wave in threadless mode to compare it to Friendfeed. Can't wait....
- Sean McBride
Google Wave Preview Opens to the Public on September 30th - http://thenextweb.com/2009...
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nice birthday pressie for me then.. mines two days later :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
The developer sandbox is so full of bugs though :(
- Hasitha
why they got the sandbox though isn't it.. so you lot can iron it out for us lot ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I am in the developer sandbox and still find it buggy and confusing.
- Steve Rubel
from email
Steve, same here. I think it's too early for them to go public. They need to start much simpler.
- Jesse Stay
They put too many Developers in charge, IMO (and I'm a developer!)
- Jesse Stay
bb: make sure you download Covertbot for your iPhone today, an awesome unit conversion app - it's free for a limited time http://bit.ly/pAZ58 - http://twitter.com/bb...
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what`s ``bb`? oh nevermind
- The Real sofarsoShawn
You`re using twitter too much. That account makeover must of helped tons.
- The Real sofarsoShawn
Just downloaded it, thanks for the tip!
- Jeff P. Henderson
Covertbot.... Sweet I've always wanted to be a spy. LOL. Downloaded thanks for the heads up
- Jim Goldstein
from iPhone
Excellent application. Good find Robert!
- Alex Knight
I've had that for a little while now. Lost a couple of tenths of a kg with it. That's 0.440925lb.
- ickledot
Convertbot
- Arnaud Fischer
from iPhone
Here's one experiment: Set your browser home page to http://apps.facebook.com/friendf... (with your user name) and see if you could get used to FriendFeeding from here. It's a lot like the iPhone app. Clean.
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It's also like FriendFeeding with ads that are unrelated, but that's a different issue. :)
- Louis Gray
hmm interesting. i dont have an account so i used yours.
- Carlos Ayala
Thanks, Carlos. Can you update my music and TV shows?
- Louis Gray
Giving it a shot... Friendfeed with adverts. :)
- Frankie Warren
Done and done!
- Carlos Ayala
hahah it works =)
- Rabia Sozkesen
yep
- Wayne Sutton
and a distinct lack of real-time sauce.
- Frankie Warren
I got a "file not found" error... Still, I installed the FF app recently. But the FF tab shows only my updates, basically tweets & blog posts. So I don't use it.
- Dennis Jernberg
It's real-time enough. And Wayne? If you're up, why aren't we playing Mario Kart on the Wii?
- Louis Gray
lol
- Wayne Sutton
works fine, is the iPhone app, but like the app, no real-time :(
- Pete D
Dennis, if you have the app installed, you can find it at: http://apps.facebook.com/friendf.... My original link said (username) and I didn't expect it to go to Twitter. My mistake.
- Louis Gray
Okay. There's the page. Thanks!
- Dennis Jernberg
but its not as fluent as ff.com, I mean mine wasn't
- Rabia Sozkesen
Otherwise headlined: "Yo, I Heard You like FriendFeed, so I put FriendFeed in Your Facebook, So You Can FriendFeed Your Face When You Facebook."
- Louis Gray
I've started using FB more often and I'd been wondering about that. So, likes and comments don't move them to the top right now then?
- Araceli
It is "one missing element"... but oh, there are others.
- Louis Gray
And fast. FB is getting old already, but I do like having more people from rl commenting. (I'm using twitterfeed&ping.fm to bring my lifestream over to FB.)
- Araceli
Doesn't update in real time yet. FB should do that anyway. I don't like to reload over and over...
- Dennis Jernberg
Want the real time feeling? Go to the Facebook main news feed and hide the top four items. Then the one below will slot up, "just like in FriendFeed".
- Louis Gray
Louis, you're saying to hide the first four wall posts? What's it do to those posters?
- Kevin Arth
Hides them forever. Or the app. I have enough non-real friends there, that there is no impact. All FriendFeeders were preserved.
- Louis Gray
So I'll have to get 4 junk non-real friends/invites on FB to dismiss them?
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Mahendra, it's just an idea. I had enough fluff I could dismiss some and get that effect.
- Louis Gray
I'm still working on adopting this streaming model, so I'm still a little nervous about losing stuff. Don't you worry that you'll overlook valuable content if you allow it to stream by on you? I know some of you have way too much traffic to look at everything, but I get paranoid I'm going to miss something if I'm not staring at the screen 24/7.
- Kevin Arth
Does it mean after you dismiss 4 latest posts, FB's news feed switches to real-time mode? Or is it a one-time thing when you hide? Because if it's a one time thing, it works even if you hide just one post. Maybe I'm not getting something.
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
But this backdoor way to view FF in FB is cool. Thanks a lot, Louis!
- Mahendra (SkepticGeek)
Kurt, it works. It's just doing something completely different. But if I am to use Facebook more, this is a good start. Lists, Discussions... they're all there.
- Louis Gray
Wow, they automatically set to Friend's only when I have a private feed.
- Rodfather
It is actually because FriendFeed's Facebook app was so good that I first joined FriendFeed back in October of 2007. This is the comment that started it all: http://scobleizer.com/2007...
- Louis Gray
Actually, the Home link points to http://friendfeed.com/iphone/ :) Quote Unquote : "It's a lot like the iPhone app"
- Nikhil Verma
These are not the droids you are looking for, Nikhil. :)
- Louis Gray
The FF Facebook app still needs a lot of work.
- Jesse Stay
sending this through it.. good to use, good find to louis. :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
It's one major failing for me? Links don't open in a new tab. Well, that and the FF app is framed in so following a link ends up in a cut-off window.
- caj needs a haircut
No lists, no saved searches, no sidebars at all, horrible. Pass.
- Kol Tregaskes
Maybe they will build all of what we have here into that app...
- Rob Sellen :o)
But, I'm getting used to the Steampunk theme :(
- Kevin L
Why do they make the font extremely small and pale?
- Vezquex
!@hipmomswhowork nah I want to be public with my life. Would love to hang out with ANY geek who visits Half Moon Bay and my phone is public.
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You are a rare bird. I respect you for that.
- Kevin Arth
Robert; Give me a hail if you find yourself in Orlando
- Keith Barrett
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