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I doubt that open sourcing the algorithms would help spammers as much as people think. It would mainly help Microsoft, which is why Google won't ever do it. I don't see anything wrong with that though -- companies don't have to open source everything. Opening up your competitor's value is a great competitive dynamic though :). Maybe Yahoo can open source all of their search stuff. - Paul Buchheit

open sourcing PageRank would only help anyone with a copy of the internet + 1000s of MapReduce boxes - Kevin Marks

I think there would be some academic interest in it Kevin. - Paul Buchheit

Kevin, why assume that the ranking algorithm is only useful for whole-web ranking? That's like assuming that various NOSQL DBs are only useful if you are running the largest web services. - Michael R. Bernstein

Funny how some people are using "PageRank" as a shorthand for Google's ranking algorithms. Here's the PageRank paper http://scholar.google.com/scholar... and here's Michael Nielsen's blogpost about using MapReduce to compute PageRank http://michaelnielsen.org/blog... PageRank has inspired much academic research, including e.g. Rada Mihalcea's TextRank http://lit.csci.unt.edu/index... among many others. - Ruchira S. Datta

What I'd truly like Google to open-source is their *implementation* of GFS / BigTable / Chubby and such :P All of that distributed systems stack is one of GOOG's major competitive advantages. - Ashwin Bharambe

Agreed (and many of the HN comments aren't much better). Lots of people seem to be reading the post as "Google should make everything open", when what it says is (roughly) "People at Google shouldn't brag about being open when they're not" and "Google's open when it suits them as business strategy, and closed when it's not". Obviously, those are very different things. I'm guessing the... more... - Michael Nielsen

I call BS. So any company that works hard to support open systems, contribute (a *lot*) wherever feasible, to keep user data from being trapped, to be transparent in its use of personal data, but fails to open source a couple of core technologies... is being hypocritical and should never talk about the things it *does* do to support openness? That's just absurd on its face. - Joel Webber

And I just have to add that the "security through obscurity" analogy is complete garbage. I keep seeing it popping up with respect to this subject by wannabe security dorks who obviously don't understand what it means. Google's ranking algorithms are simply not analogous to the kinds of security problems that phrase is meant to address. - Joel Webber

My vote is for opening Seti :) - Paul Buchheit

Security through obscurity is often over applied. It makes sense in protocol designs, or getting eyeballs on code, but spam filters and ranking algorithms are not security protocols, and knowledge of them influences public behavior. Like tests for school children, complete foreknowledge of the test itself can distort the behavior of people by making them optimize their knowledge for the... more... - Ray Cromwell

Paul, that would be way cool. :) - Ruchira S. Datta

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I'm hanging by, this is being delayed by some technical difficulties. - Robert Scoble

We are about to start. - Robert Scoble

Is the sound working, or is it just me? - Matt Mastracci

I guess the ads are working, just not Gillmor's mic :) - Matt Mastracci

Relax, Steve - it's all good :) - Rob La Gesse

There we go.. heard something - Matt Mastracci

Kick that wire again. - Rob La Gesse

nice loud typing - Jerry Schuman

It's working now. Hearing the behind-the-scenes talking :) - Matt Mastracci

Mic is live, Steve - Rob La Gesse

Hang out a second. - Robert Scoble

Early F-Bomb FTW! - Rob La Gesse

Gillmor Gang Recording Live w/ Scoble, Keen, Rivera, Marks - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Using the F word is not professional, Steve. - Judy Jones

This is shaping up to be a good one. - Matt Mastracci

Hey Kev, when are we getting block on calls? - Jerry Schuman

OK, I actually installed Ribbit on my iPhone -- I hope to heck it works. - Cliff Gerrish

Judy: he's reacting to a jerk on the Internet. It's not professional, but well placed. - Robert Scoble

25/25 here.. FIOS is sweet - Jerry Schuman

I'm jealous! - Robert Scoble

what the heck you jealous about.. you're the one living in Half Moon Bay - Jerry Schuman

10/5 here over Coax - it's often enough, and never enough! - Rob La Gesse

Jerry: I'd rather have bandwidth! - Robert Scoble

Rob, you going to CES? - Jerry Schuman

Jerry - Scoble and I were just discussing that a couple hours ago. Not sure yet. - Rob La Gesse

I ♥ the Gillmor Gang - Gabe Rivera

ok...guess i hit the wrong link. - Karoli

Well add me to the drinking buddies list if you do. I'll be demoing in a suite not at convention center. - Jerry Schuman

OK, we got keen and kevin back - Cliff Gerrish

No we realize you'll eventually go from exaltation to bashing of every system out there, Robert.. - Ken Sheppardson

Friendfeed? What's this friendfeed of which you speak? - Ron Schott

@Jerry - definitely! - Rob La Gesse

heheh. - Robert Scoble

Ken: today it's even slower than usual. Looks like only 14 people here now. - Robert Scoble

I think everyone is out doing Christmas shopping. - Robert Scoble

The new OAuth is great. Amusing that it really needed the change, but it wouldn't have been possible to do in the beginning. - Matt Mastracci

For GG, Robert? Was there any notice of the show happening today at 2:15 vs Thu at 1? - Ken Sheppardson

In may make OAuth usable in the enterprise... - Cliff Gerrish

Ken: if there were any people here or even on Twitter they would be here no matter how much notice there was given. - Robert Scoble

kshep - no, we had a power outage today -- so we had to do a lot of studio check out before the show. - Cliff Gerrish

Dave Winer's view on protocol evolution is pretty warped. - Matt Mastracci

Everything is very slow today. - Robert Scoble

Robert, make that 15 people :) - Mike Doeff

I don't think Dave believes in evolution. - Cliff Gerrish

Alright, it's getting crowded in here! :-) - Robert Scoble

Cliff, exactly. Unless he wants to re-specify part of a self-frozen spec himself, of course. - Matt Mastracci

I find that it's a little easier than it used to be to find hard-core discussions on science and tech now that there's less tech-industry-gossip-circle-jerking. - Christopher A Carr

Oddly enough, I haven't given Andrew a thought since the last time he was on the show either... - Ken Sheppardson

Agree with Andrew. Love Echofon - Karoli

I hacked up http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com on the friendfeed API - Kevin Marks

Moved off Nambu to latest beta of Socialite... actually liking it. - Jerry Schuman

Robert, I just keep badges on. not popups or sounds. - Karoli

"I don;t care what anyone says unless they mention me" - classic :) - Rob La Gesse

Who is this Andrew guy? - Matt Mastracci

Matt: http://andrewkeen.typepad.com - Ken Sheppardson

Thanks... I didn't catch his name at the start - Matt Mastracci

Love my Kindle, giving daughter the Nook. - Karoli

hey everybody! :) - Susan Beebe

5 bucks... considering that's the cost of PPV movies... and you get them for 24 hours - Jerry Schuman

I paid $10 for an app. An essential ToDo app. - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

Tweetie 2.0 is $5. Very disappointing. - Karoli

Steve has the KILLER studio rig. Whoa! - Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)

What is friendlier feed? - Matt Terenzio

JooJoo killer :) - Mike Doeff

mine goes for 2 wks without wireless. - Karoli

I'll buy an Apple Tablet as soon as they will let me. - Rob La Gesse

I'm torn between my love for paper books and things electronic. Paper books still winning for me. - Matt Mastracci

http://friendlierfeed.appspot.com/ is friendfeed with nicer HTML - bigger faces, black text, microformats - Kevin Marks

Matt - looks like it has #microformats - Susan Beebe

Kevin - looks good! :) - Susan Beebe

I'll sometimes read for 5 or 6 hours in a row. Backlit displays are a little rough in that situation. - Christopher A Carr

A hacked NOOK.. that's the ticket - Jerry Schuman

Jerry: Yep. The Android hackers are already going to town.. - Christopher A Carr

I'd love a rooted nook. - Matt Mastracci

ooh that would be cool - Susan Beebe

Apparently you just need to open it and reflash the Micro-SD. - Matt Mastracci

The hardware specs on the Nook should be providing better performance - I think a Firmware update will correct most of the release issues - Rob La Gesse

What about the e-ink screen on the Nook? Can it meet the Kindle with its specs? - Matt Mastracci

I want a Apple tablet - Jerry Schuman

e-books are too expensive to have more than one open at a time on my desk, or lose one on the train - both easily done with paper books - Barbariccia

Is that National Geographic HDD in HTML or proprietary format? - Matt Mastracci

NG HDD is a neat idea - Susan Beebe

Proprietary unfortunately. - Robert Scoble

Crappy. Maybe we can liberate it with some reverse engineering. Liberate for freedom, not piracy that is :) - Matt Mastracci

bummer - Susan Beebe

Kindle app on iPhone is cool - Susan Beebe

Kindle on iphone is good enough in a tight spot but not comfortable - Barbariccia

I didn't think so either till I got one. I email my PDFs etc there too. It's awesome. - Karoli

I read Gods of Mars on my iPhone... worked well - Jerry Schuman

I've used the iPhone one a few times... works well for travel. - Matt Mastracci

I read the free "Red Mars" book on iPhone kindle, then bought the paper books for the trilogy in a store - Matt Mastracci

I read @paulcarr's book on my Droid this weekend in HTML - Kevin Marks

Didn't know Kindle rendered web pages / browser... product advertising fail - Susan Beebe

H+ magazine is a good example of a progressive publication. They started out as a PDF form of the paper magazine, but quickly morphed to a rich experience after everyone complained. - Matt Mastracci

I love using Google's FastFlip on my iPhone. Not a bad magazine interface - Jerry Schuman

yep, that is cool - Susan Beebe

"Footnotes are very pedestrian" How punny! - Ron Schott

Susan, the web browser on Kindle is still in beta. - Karoli

oooh thanks! - Susan Beebe

hahah Scoble's bored! LOL - Susan Beebe

I think Charlie Stross has done well giving away "Accelerando" for free... - Christopher A Carr

I don't think that rich, wild layout format works on the web or on a tablet. - Matt Mastracci

now Scobles holds up Kindle hoping we won't notice him looking at that "Make" magazine! - Susan Beebe

Books in print and books on screens will coexist. - Cliff Gerrish

Agreed - most users still consume content in both mediums - Susan Beebe

Eventually paper books will start to decline, but it'll be after we force the publishers to remove DRM on the books and let us transport them across machines. - Matt Mastracci

plus they're offloading their operational costs for the amazon mp3 store via AWS. A nice flat TCO - Jerry Schuman

Legacy Tech -> Early Piracy -> Highly Controlled Tech -> High-Fidelity Piracy -> Openness - Matt Mastracci

I want the audio version included when I buy a digital book - let me move from audio to digital, depending on what I am currently doing. And keep me in the right place between the two. - Rob La Gesse

MG's article on TechCrunch --> http://www.techcrunch.com/2009... - Susan Beebe

TVO.org has a nice debate on the future of reading (incl. Bill Buxton of MSFT) - http://tinyurl.com/y85qvzp - Cliff Gerrish

three screens and a cloud... - Cliff Gerrish

Rob - me too! I buy paper, Amazon electronic format and audio. Would love to have these tie into my iPhone more - Susan Beebe

YouTube is king of video - Susan Beebe

Think you'll see some interesting stuff at CES regarding this.. The strategic partner I'm working with is going to be demoing some pretty cool stuff regarding playing content across devices. - Jerry Schuman

I want all my media (audio/video/books/docs/mail) on a server at home, backed up to a cloud and synced to a personal device. Everything available, all the time. - Matt Mastracci

Matt, bingo - Jerry Schuman

What Matt said. - Christopher A Carr

Cloud -- iPhone mobile is just fine for me :) - Susan Beebe

Yeah, but Qik is live.. - Christopher A Carr

i clicked on a youtube video today and it wouldn't work on my iphone. i pouted. - Karoli

Yeah, you sorta expect every YouTube video to work on an iphone. Not always true. - Cliff Gerrish

no way! strange! - Susan Beebe

Qik is a neat toy on current handsets. Starting 2011, compressing on the phone won't be an issue. - Christopher A Carr

youtube videos, no problem on skyfire browser - Tim Jones

Scoble's camera is bigger than yours. - Cliff Gerrish

Tim: But, WinMo, ugh. - Christopher A Carr

do we really need go there, Christopher? - Tim Jones

Twitter birddog for FriendFeed, I believe. Up to 400,000 user tracks. - Matt Mastracci

Tim: Nope. - Christopher A Carr

qik will be great on netbooks or tablets - but then again those also will have ustream access - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Gabe is wrong - personalized content streams are going to be with us in the first quarter of next year - Nick Halstead

Twitter is a personalized content stream... - Cliff Gerrish

have a look at http://tunein.com as a personal techmeme - Kevin Marks

wee smirch? what was that Steve? - Susan Beebe

The beginnings of automatic personalized content streams are already here (lazyfeed, etc). TechMeme better step up quick. - Matt Mastracci

Handsets in 2011 will be more powerful than most 2009 netbooks: http://www.broadcom.com/press... - Christopher A Carr

tweetmeme love that app! - Susan Beebe

WeSmirch -- Techmeme for celebrity gossip. - Cliff Gerrish

oooh thanks Cliff... I am soooooooooo out of that circle :D - Susan Beebe

8 million people visit it every month Gabe - Nick Halstead

Susan, it's also run by Gabe. - Cliff Gerrish

tweetmeme is valuable for TRENDING topics on twitter (RT functionality) - Susan Beebe

oooh didn't know that - Susan Beebe

wrong, wrong, wrong - our button supplies less than 5% of our traffic - Nick Halstead

Ah, so when Gabe asked "what's tweetmeme" he was being facetious? - Ken Sheppardson

@Ken, yes - lol - Nick Halstead

Ken - haha same reaction i had...doh! - Susan Beebe

Could Techmeme function if I had a personal filter that allow me to choose which sources I cared about? - Ken Sheppardson

yahoo portal pages are the goto source for non-techs who love reading the celebrity news - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

http://livingstories.googlelabs.com/ <-- interesting experiment by google in evolving stories. - Matt Mastracci

Ken - great idea! You can check out topics, not sure about filtering sources - Susan Beebe

Ken: no. On Techmeme they choose the sources and you have no control. - Robert Scoble

I'm not talking about Techmeme, per se, I'm talking about a service that presented data and stories in the same way, but selected only from among the sources I specified - Ken Sheppardson

FriendFeed :) - Susan Beebe

we already have personalised channels -> iphone.tweetmeme.com all that will change is that others can make them next year - Nick Halstead

sorry - link http://iphone.tweetmeme.com - Nick Halstead

where is the chat room for this show? is this it? - kosso

Nick - cool :) - Susan Beebe

Kosso: this is it. - Robert Scoble

I wonder if Gabe reads WeSmirch - Cliff Gerrish

kosso - yes :) - Susan Beebe

@kosso bingo :) - Nick Halstead

kosso - yes, this is the main chat area - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

thanks ;) - kosso

i found it interesting that Gabe asked what Tweetmeme was, then went on to explain some things about it - kosso

@kosso lol - Nick Halstead

there needs to be an understanding between sites that do automated/rules curation and sites that do human editorial curation - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

reads tweets in Google Reader - Tim Jones

we have over a million people reading Technology category -> http://tweetmeme.com/categor... ignore that Gabe - Nick Halstead

Tim, you read in Google Reader? how interesting... - Karoli

Nick LOL :D - Susan Beebe

also, earlier Steve said that USteam had overtaken Qik on the iPhone. The thing is, is that Qik was the first to offer live video on the (jailbroken) iPhone. Apple have hamstrung Qik - very unfair. Though the quality of UStream is indeed excellent. Best thing about UStream is that you can record as well as broadcast live - from the desktop or mobile - kosso

The top story on TweetMeme is NSFW, btw :) - Matt Mastracci

Oh geesh!! too funny - Susan Beebe

Where are TechMeme's readership stats? In a form we can verify? - Ken Sheppardson

gabe should release TechMeme's reader numbers in a verifiable way - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

yup, works for me. also for stuff not in twitter, blog posts, etc. it's all goes to my Google Reader - Tim Jones

We have 100,000 websites using our button - thats 100,000 sources of realtime information - how can Gave just ignore that? - Nick Halstead

I don't quite understand Gabe's critique... other than the fact that he runs Techmeme and Tweetmeme isn't it. - Ken Sheppardson

we serve 180 million buttons a day - if compete showed those results we would be the biggest site in the world!!! - Nick Halstead

WOW - Susan Beebe

I will email robert our real google analytics now - if he wants them - Nick Halstead

I use tweetmeme button on my blog too, does help get more uniques! - Susan Beebe

Nick, you should output iframes instead of images with your JS. I think some of those toolbars count those frames as impressions. - Matt Mastracci

Gabe sounds very _very_ defensive. Think he should loosen up a bit. - Josiah Kiehl

Scoble - tell Steve I want to be on the show next time round - so I can fight my corner here - he is talking complete rubbish - Nick Halstead

Scoble, can Gillmor call Nick and add him in over Skype? - Matt Mastracci

Nick should definitely be on GG next! - Susan Beebe

i do agree with Gabe actually. Though Tweetmeme has a lot of button installs (congrats Nick) I think the stats are simply hits on the Javascript - not to the site itself. I could be wrong. ;p - kosso

I can be on Skype Scoble - Nick Halstead

Steve - ADD Nick to this show!! - Susan Beebe

Nick: It doesn't typically work that way... there's no attempt to be fair/balanced... ;-) - Ken Sheppardson

Yeah. Gabe missed SpaceShip One as well. - Rob La Gesse

Nick said otherwise, Kosso. ;) - Josiah Kiehl

Are we going to get to the Google Openness Manifesto soon? - Ron Schott

Nick: is Tweetmeme editorialised in any way? Or is it simply weighted on the number of clicks on the retweet buttons? [out of interest] - kosso

hahah! Microsoft missed that the internet is important - OMG that is epic - Susan Beebe

just one last funny comment on Gabe saying he doesnt know what TweetMeme is: the first time I met him in SF he said 'When are you going to rename your service' - at which point I just laughed - Nick Halstead

Nick - he's just jealous :P - Susan Beebe

Microsoft is monolithicly slow, cause they're monolithicly sized. - Josiah Kiehl

Settle down people, I wanted to Scoble to define Tweetmeme. I didn't say that I hadn't heard of it. I think it's important to define what he means by Tweememe because there are 2 faces to the service: 1. button provider , 2. link aggregator - Gabe Rivera

@kosso the ranking is based upon 3 elements, score, velocity + age - score is based upon about 10 factors, but a lot made up of the authority of each twitter user who tweets the link - Nick Halstead

@nick ta ;) - kosso

You don't have to choose between slow and massive. - Matt Mastracci

@gabe please dont try and speak for our service - you know nothing about our stats - the button is a tiny % of our traffic for the main site - just because TC say something doesnt make it true - Nick Halstead

You do have to be specifically focused on NOT being slow if you are massive. This is why startups have a chance: they're naturally more agile. - Josiah Kiehl

"The Road Ahead" was 1995, right? Would be interesting to read it again today. - Ken Sheppardson

Microsoft as a group 'noticed' the internet in '95: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr... - Matt Mastracci

compete.com is actually also completely and utterly wrong - quantcast is the only site with semi-accurate data for us - http://www.quantcast.com/tweetme... - Nick Halstead

TechMeme really is excellent imho. It's my primary source of tech news/memes multiple times a day - kosso

Silverlight is "open"? - Josiah Kiehl

Silverlight is not open. - Matt Mastracci

Since when? - Josiah Kiehl

so impressed with the picture and quality of the broadcast, Steve/Cliff. Gotta run now...happy holidays to you all. - Karoli

hard to turn ship, but best thing is that MS could do is sell more Windows that more people use to get to Google - Tim Jones

Silverlight is the exact definition of closed. - Matt Mastracci

Google has a lot of Microsoft DNA in it these days... - Cliff Gerrish

There is a difference between "GNU Open" and "Google Open".... but Silverlight is CLEARLY neither. - Josiah Kiehl

See ya Karoli... - Cliff Gerrish

+1 Josiah - Matt Mastracci

Karoli - Happy Holidays to you too! ;) - Susan Beebe

I think the difference is that Google's revenue increases when the web is more open. Microsoft's decreases. It's how the companies are set up. - Josiah Kiehl

a friend's 15 yr old kid bought a netbook from money earned from babysitting job- more people getting on net - Tim Jones

The TechCrunch article about how Android is going after Windows Mobile rather than iPhone made a lot of sense. - Josiah Kiehl

If you want to compare Microsoft, consider some of these products: Flash (closed, private development), Silverlight (closed source, private development), Windows (closed source, private development), Chrome OS (open source), Chrome Browser (open source), Google Web Toolkit (open source). - Matt Mastracci

Mobile is where M$ needs to focus to get back in the game - Susan Beebe

A friend of mine works on the WinMo team. He told me they recently ported IE6 to WinMo. THAT's a step forward, eh? eh? - Josiah Kiehl

Chrome browser been on Windows since Sept 08. Zune UI on WinMo 7 would be great - Tim Jones

Microsoft is a few years behind on mobile. The focus on back-compat hobbles them. They can't release a WinMo that breaks 10 year-old-apps, but Apple can break compat from year to year. - Matt Mastracci

What did the carriers do? - Josiah Kiehl

As M$ declines further into history, they will find it more challenging to woo high end staffing resources - Susan Beebe

Outside of Xbox, what's exciting out of Microsoft? - Matt Mastracci

It's important that everyone ignore what's new out of Microsoft. - Cliff Gerrish

That way it'll be a surprise. - Cliff Gerrish

A twitter? - Josiah Kiehl

email? - Tim Jones

@gaberivera? - Josiah Kiehl

http://twitter.com/gaberivera - Susan Beebe

Microsoft's Windows 7 is quite good. I'm using it here. - Robert Scoble

But is it exciting? - Matt Mastracci

Robert - on your netbook? What model is that? - Susan Beebe

Robert, keep it quiet. - Cliff Gerrish

@Robert : is "quite good" enough? ;) - kosso

The real question for Google is how can they sustain their openness when Doc Searls disrupts the advertising model. - Ron Schott

CNBC is actually having a news special on iPhone apps. - Cliff Gerrish

I run Windows 7 on my 27" iMac - primarily so I can use Windows LiveWriter and Outlook. - Rob La Gesse

cool. i am seriously thinking of formatting one of my laptops with Win7 - Susan Beebe

LiveWriter is good... - Christopher A Carr

I'm going to get a copy of Win7 for my Mac too. I already do silverlight develop that way. - Cliff Gerrish

I still run Windows, but it's in a VM for a handful of apps and testing. The total number of non-web apps I interact with is pretty low. - Matt Mastracci

Windows 7 surprised me. It's actually a worthwhile OS, from a usability point of view. I actually took some of Win7s features and configured my Ubuntu install to behave similarly. - Josiah Kiehl

Andoid baby! - Tim Jones

Android is the one to watch ! (my iPhone is jealous now) - Susan Beebe

I still love my G1.. just can't wait to get more space for applications. Need to do the apps2sd thing, I guess. - Josiah Kiehl

I want Droid in 2010 in the UK! - Nick Halstead

Scoble - what netbook do you have? - Susan Beebe

I haven't had to boot(camp) in to Windows for over a month now. This is the longest in my pc-based career ever I haven't need it. I feel overwhelmingly *safer* ;) - No trojans etc ;) - kosso

Did all of you get the news... "BREAKING – Microsoft slapped hard by court: Can’t sell Word" http://friendfeed.com/robdian... - Micah Wittman

Thanks Gillmore Gang! :) - Susan Beebe

Entertaining as always, thanks. - Matt Mastracci

I don't have one right now. I don't like them that much. - Robert Scoble

@Nick you can get the 'MileStone' now. - kosso

Nick: Skip that Droid handset. Snapdragon chipset handsets are coming in 2010. - Christopher A Carr

Micah - yep, crazy huh! - Susan Beebe

Just check'n. Thanks, Susan. - Micah Wittman

Scoble - netbook - too small ? - Susan Beebe

I'd rather just use an iPhone. - Robert Scoble

Micah - yeah. They have to retool part of the Office release before they can continue selling it. The docx load/save functionality is infringing, which is a big part of the new format. - Matt Mastracci

yeah, I saw that. The XML feature is "little used"? I thought docx _was_ xml. - Josiah Kiehl

haha gotcha. I'd get a netbook if it could support the high resolution on my new 23" Dell monitor - Susan Beebe

Josiah: docx is xml. - Robert Scoble

desktop > netbook >mobile phone - Tim Jones

I use my iPhone more than ANY other computer - Susan Beebe

well... Microsoft said the XML feature is little used. See here: http://www.reuters.com/article... - Josiah Kiehl

mobile phone screen too small - Tim Jones

RE: iPhone. It seems bizarre to me that you still have to kill an app to open another app. - Christopher A Carr

i'm such an edge case for smart phones - the screens are just way too small. that's why i'm looking for a tablet that I can use as a remote view onto my servers - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yes, that does suck. My old BB handled multiple apps just fine - Susan Beebe

I think that's got to be spin. The patent is basically on how you serialize a document on the screen to XML. Unless they've got a way to sidestep some of the claims, it'll be a big job. - Matt Mastracci

Hence Android > iPhone OS. :) Apps like Locale, however, are the reasons I have an Android phone. - Josiah Kiehl

my iPhone is my 'communicator', 'informer', 'connector' and 'entertainer'. It just works. I've never had a phone that I use for more things other than phone calls - ever. - kosso

I just noticed loren feldman managed to slam the GG and scoble while dumping on the praise for calcanis http://bit.ly/7ckTYz - Paul E. Ester

phone for quick info, but for moving around the screen alot on the go, whips out netbook - Tim Jones

Thanks everybody, great show. - Cliff Gerrish

Hardware-wise, Android handsets are going to get well out in front of iPhones this upcoming year. - Christopher A Carr

indeed - Paul E. Ester

I still have a hard time engaging in conversation on the phone, as much as I use it. I'll usually save a big reply for the desktop when I'm at home. - Matt Mastracci

Kevin Marks is getting huge! Easy mate. - Paul E. Ester

@christopher : iteration should certainly be faster. I *like* my HTC Hero, but I *love* my iPhone. And before I had one (iPhone), I never thought I'd ever say that. - kosso

lol @ the best twitter account from Paul's link above: http://twitter.com/common_... - Josiah Kiehl

The nail in the coffin for me with the iPhone is the tie-in with iTunes, which I despise. - Christopher A Carr

+1 Christopher... I just want to dump media on it sometimes and I skip it because it's too much of a pain to go through the iTunes gateway - Matt Mastracci

@christopher I agree with that. I can't stand itunes. but I really do admire how utterly simple Apple have made it to spend money in their ecosystem. Far easier than Google. - kosso

Want DoubleTwist to work desperately: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt..., but never seems to... - Matt Mastracci

kosso: It's worked well for Apple, for sure. - Christopher A Carr

off now to continue building my hybrid iPhone/Android apps ... cheers all! ;) - kosso

Here is a shoutout for the amazing tricaster wish I could afford it! - Paul E. Ester

you go Apple if you have money to burn, but fo' da rest of us 90% folks, well.. - Tim Jones

DeWitt Clinton

@dalmaer Google does use OpenSearch in every data API. It's on my TODO list to put it in more places, too: https://groups.google.com/group...

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I talk a bit about JSON formatted search in that thread, in particular the JSONC syntax for rich data feeds. My hope is that early in 2010 we'll have enough of a consensus around a JSON format to document it in the OpenSearch spec and start paving the cowpaths. - DeWitt Clinton

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The two places I'm going to focus on in the near term for OpenSearch support are Google Custom Search and the Ajax APIs. The first is just a matter of sitting down and getting it done. The second is a matter of making sure our JSON data formats are consistent enough to do it well across multiple products and with some alignment with third-party APIs. - DeWitt Clinton

Is JSONC in anything beyond Picasa yet? I really like the idea - Kevin Marks

Yeah the JSONC is pretty slick.. - Chris Myles

@Kevin - just in trial on YT and Picasa for now, but more to come over time. - DeWitt Clinton

Kevin Marks

Information Technology made me an Outcast - http://www.aadjemonkeyrock.com/2009...

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well-expressed problematic use case. Portable Contacts needs to handle this - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Christmas Giftgiving, The economist vs. The anthropologist - http://cultureby.com/2009...

Monday from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

given that social capital is not captured in price, how do you tell when the gift economy is bigger than the monetary one? - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Some Thoughts on the Twitter API as a "standard API" for microblogging - http://www.25hoursaday.com/weblog...

Monday from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

The twitter API is suit, not a t-shirt - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Gadget Patrol: 21st century phone - http://www.antipope.org/charlie...

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Great analysis from Charlie. - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Personal Finance - http://meganmcardle.theatlantic.com/archive...

December 18 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Local norms in finance matter - Kevin Marks

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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Looking forward to Gillmor Gang at 1pm - Kevin Marks

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that's what I'm talking about - Raphael, Raphael

The Penultimate 2009 show! I'm now standing by waiting for the Skype call. - Robert Scoble

Connecting to the stream now =) - Kish

I cannot watch the video from iPhone. Can you guys enable that in 2010. It would really help! ty - Nishant

There's a ustream iPhone app, I hear that works. - Cliff Gerrish

Nishant: yes, the ustream iPhone app works great. - Robert Scoble

2 or 3 minutes until show time. - Cliff Gerrish

One to two minutes until we start. - Robert Scoble

please discuss the Nexus One - Raphael, Raphael

Happy Holidays everyone.... - Jeff Sandquist

still flies in the face of the current change to conversation vs. clicks - Jerry Schuman

I cannot seem to find 'gilmor gang or building 43' on the ustream viewer app. any tips? thanks a lot. - Nishant

Search Newsgang - Rob La Gesse

great. thanks! - Nishant

spamming google with real-time: by @sugarrae http://outspokenmedia.com/seo... - Kevin Marks

And now I have to look at the top one to two to three link after the real time mess. - Ken Sheppardson

Actually, for Tiger Woods, the "Latest Results" is now just above the fold at the bottom of the page, as the 5th or 6th result. - Ken Sheppardson

I don't care if they keep it - but I do hope they let me turn it off. I'm not a fan. - Rob La Gesse

I like the Social Search feature that adds in links from people I follow http://www.google.com/experim... - Kevin Marks

I think they'll just push it down the page so we don't have to see it, Rob - Ken Sheppardson

For Scoble, maybe :P - Jalada

entertainment! fun! - Christopher Harris

Cruel but true. - Ken Sheppardson

hey, Jason - Raphael, Raphael

gotta love a guest who starts off insulting the listeners of the show - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Welcome, Jason - Rob La Gesse

hello, don't you people have something better to do. - Jason Calacanis

Nope, this is about it. - Cliff Gerrish

You mean listen to the show, or talk about it, Jason? - Ken Sheppardson

i've got this on in the background - Christopher Harris

Heheh - Robert Scoble

Wow, that demonstrated how far behind I am on ustream. - Jalada

Hey guys, don't tell Curry I'm here ;) - Michelle

your show is the background music to my work right now. - Jeff Sandquist

Here in Norway we don't have much to do. either watch Gillmore Gang or have Obama over for coffee - Qbat

The idea @Jason was suggesting sounded like http://topsy.com - Kevin Marks

Subtle. - Jalada

Hello there, Michelle! - Rob La Gesse

So don't expect real time feeds embedded on Mahalo. - Ken Sheppardson

even if it's a tool that the curators would use? or does Mahalo expect their curator to spend more time off of Mahalo? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Has Aardvark (vark.com) come up on GG recently? Anybody tried it? - Ken Sheppardson

Aardvark is trying to address this exact example. - Jerry Schuman

You beat me to it Ken. - Jerry Schuman

:-) - Ken Sheppardson

The real-time component of Google is like introducing the Slashdot effect to the most popular site on the world. People better be prepared for it, infrastructure wise. Jes' sayin. - Michelle

Michelle: That's what elastic hosting is for. Cue advert for Rackspace Cloud Sites! - Jalada

A google fail whale would be sorta cool. - Cliff Gerrish

@Cliff - it exists. It is called Wave. - Rob La Gesse

getting them weekly for gmail, igoogle and so on - but they only last a couple of minutes mostly - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

They need one of those cute graphics to really annoy people. - Cliff Gerrish

Google isn't scared of this stuff at all. Ask Matt Cutts. If it gets big, they'll just buy it. - Michelle

It's not a threat. The Google ecosystem is much bigger than just search. - Michelle

Results are changing from links to widgets. - Cliff Gerrish

Have we started "search is dead" yet? - Ken Sheppardson

the biggest change for google search is that now its more dynamic, fade in's, drop downs and so on - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

scared is a loaded word... let's say concerned. - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, totally agree with the links to widgets. We're moving back into compound document architectures backed by some fairly sophisticated intelligence. - Jerry Schuman

Widgets can handle streams of data... - Cliff Gerrish

Robert, not by name, but I'll bet a bunch of people do what I do...say , gee I sure wish I had that... - Karoli

http://www.ustream.tv/channel... - Jason Calacanis

@cliff, yep that is absolutely what we've been focusing on here. Stream aggregation that can ID context and conversation are absolutely the next huge implementations. - Jerry Schuman

stream down - Jerry Schuman

off air - Raphael, Raphael

oh, where'd it go :( - Jalada

down down down - Christopher Harris

up up up - Christopher Harris

stream down - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

hit refresh - Jerry Schuman

who tripped over the cord? - gfurry

Jason loved the tricaster too much - HansVanRock

destination sites are DEAD - Jerry Schuman

pundits decrying what is dead.... is dead - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Pubsubhubbub revived Atom, though - Raphael, Raphael

"obsolete enough to be useful" is what Gillmor means by 'dead' - Kevin Marks

Streams a little funky - going up and down. - Cliff Gerrish

stable for me, except that one glitch - Rob La Gesse

facebooksense - Christopher Harris

Every big Network service will need a public and private component. - Cliff Gerrish

soc graph is definitely a triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

physical devices and their unique fingerprint is going to be another triangulation point for identity - Jerry Schuman

Facebook search sucks. - Karoli

read the quantum computing blog post from Google. They're working on this exact problem - Jerry Schuman

Karoli--that's why they bought the engineering team for this social network! - Michelle

Agree, Michelle. FF search is the finest I've used. - Karoli

facebook as an identity platform will go the way of Microsoft Passport if it's 1) not open standards and 2) they don't use the private identity info for corporate gain - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I won't use FB as an identity platform because they have exhibited anti-privacy behaviour - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

my issue with FB was the default to google indexing while giving users the impression they were protecting them. - Karoli

i think they totally duped the development community beyond what they've done to the end users. - Jerry Schuman

Jason is right 100% - Antonella Stellacci

What was changed was the default for people who had not set them to public or open (i.e. using the FB default which was private) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Congress may care about privacy on the internet, but they don't actually know what that means. - Cliff Gerrish

privacy is dead - Raphael, Raphael

nice cam angle - HansVanRock

Cliff I agree with that, but they can sure mess with us a lot. - Robert Scoble

the difference is the data that people have invested into the Facebook data environment - it's a lot more personal than Twitter could ever collect - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

LOL...jason is a little bit sleep-deprived. he's babbling. - Karoli

is there #TWiSt tomorrow? - Raphael, Raphael

Karoli - I don't think Jason is the one getting up for the night time feedings - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

put Cliff in the place of Jason. - Jerry Schuman

Facebook users at risk of "rubber duck" identity attack, people see this? http://www.sophos.com/pressof... - Jalada

What about HTML5 for Android development? Why have native apps? - Cliff Gerrish

even GMail is using HTML5 now - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

HTML5 and websockets... going to be an interesting place to play - Jerry Schuman

HTML5 works on Android, iPhone and Pre... - Kevin Marks

it should be called HTML5bis - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, but you'll want to use JQtouch for iPhone web app development... - Cliff Gerrish

I like arguments that consist of "Yes", "No", "Yes", "No"... :-) - Ken Sheppardson

HTML5 has handoff provisions... that is what he's getting to - Jerry Schuman

the <video> html5 tag allows webkit to expose codecs for devs to use - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

do browsers actually have codecs inside them? - Raphael, Raphael

So HTML 5 isn't a standard until the browsers actually support it. - Cliff Gerrish

it's a standard when the committee says it is - Raphael, Raphael

well, it can be a standard - just not a well implemented standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

If a standard falls in the forest and no browsers support it, does it make a sound? - Cliff Gerrish

heck, they are still arguing amongst themselves on what is going to be in the HTML5 standard - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

802.11 (WiFi) devices were available (and *mostly* compliant with the standard) years before the standard was ratified. - Rob La Gesse

yes, 802.11 is an excellent example - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Actually, HTML5 is on 'last call' according to WHATWG, but not according to W3C. So, it's sorta close. - Cliff Gerrish

the point is that there are implementations in the wild regarding HTML5 in anticipation of a ratified standard. Not much different then what happened to 802.11 N - Jerry Schuman

ok.. quit stealing my damn thoughts before I can type them out - Jerry Schuman

:) - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

That's why you have a closed Chrome hardware play -- you can implement HTML5 in a closed system. - Cliff Gerrish

I switched OurDoings to HTML5, but I'm only using the parts of it that older browsers can handle. - Bruce Lewis

Well, since I was there when 802.11 was born, I had to bring up the example :) - Rob La Gesse

Robert's point is very valid - the app devs will be able to get on board the HTML5 train and enjoy the benefits and hopefully the standards body will avoid tweaking it out of usability - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

I want to see a closer pic of Kevin's whiteboard over his shoulder ;-) - Jerry Schuman

google must be *loving* html5 because they will get all of those apps to be immediatly usable on any new Chrome netbook and also all new Android devices - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

no.. they'll hack up their own solutions in the meantime. Hell Comet/Push was hacked together prior to the standardization of websockets - Jerry Schuman

Android and iPhone implementations of webkit are different. So, there are different capabilities there... - Cliff Gerrish

you also have to look at what Google is doing with GWT. It plays a big role on supplementing what they're doing in HTML5 - Jerry Schuman

ATT is Austin completely sucks - Rob La Gesse

Randall Stross wrote that for the Times, but it was largely debunked. - Cliff Gerrish

Hey, Kevin, is there a 140 character comparison of Google Voice vs Ribbit Mobile? - Ken Sheppardson

Then why does the iphone only have to seem to have the major issues in the US? - gfurry

Chicago, New York, Dallas (HOME OF ATT!!!) all suck (as does SFO). - Rob La Gesse

It's because AT&T is the only network with the iPhone. Check Mary Meeker's stats on iPhone use in her Morgan Stanley Mobile internet report. - Cliff Gerrish

"The people of Boulder against ATT" : http://www.facebook.com/group... - Rob La Gesse

Will Google maps/directions only be available on Android? Why not an HTML5 version that runs on the iPhone too? - Cliff Gerrish

the platform is too large not to port to iphone - gfurry

This seems a bit like having to develop apps for each make/model of laptop... HTML5 FTW - Ken Sheppardson

as long as what happened to HTML within IE doesn't happen to HTML5 - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

it will be in OS 3.5 or 4.0? - gfurry

margins are razor thin on hardware... why would they give up online revenue by not porting new advanced features to iPhone - Jerry Schuman

Bing maps work nicely in the iPhone. - Cliff Gerrish

controlling the DECK is dead. How many people replaced their main camera app from Apple with something more sophisticated? - Jerry Schuman

ATT pays Apple handsomely for each new iPhone contract. - Rob La Gesse

mapquest makes a mapping app for iphone as do several GPS makers. The platform is too big not to - gfurry

Thanks everyone! - Robert Scoble

great episode you all - HansVanRock

so are we continuing this thread from last week into this week? - Karoli

Kevin Marks

Climategate: The good shepherds - http://vulgarmorality.wordpress.com/2009...

December 16 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Platonists? - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

The Sensical Moment: Asking for User Opinion When the Time is Right - http://buildingreputation.com/writing...

December 16 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Rate on uninstall is a good way to gather feedback on bad acting apps - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

iPhone developers abandoning app model for HTML5? - http://scobleizer.com/2009...

December 16 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Great to see the web as platform working out so well for these chaps. Looks like Photo/Audio/Video capture is something HTML5 needs to add... - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

danieltenner.com — What problems does Google Wave solve? - http://danieltenner.com/posts...

December 15 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Yes - wave is for collaborative editing. Everything else in it sits on that. - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Does Facebook have Aspbergers? - http://www.hyperorg.com/blogger...

December 14 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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danah nailed this 5 years ago: http://www.danah.org/papers... - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Googling for Sociopaths - http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog...

December 14 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

I love how Aaron reframes business as war here - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Jay Lenos failure and the new rules of marketing - http://www.cultureby.com/trilogy...

December 14 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

So what variety shows need is Simon Cowell? - Kevin Marks

Paul Buchheit

There are 2^n kinds of people in the world, those who "get" joke n, and those who don't.

December 14 - Comment - Like - Share

Roman Zolotarev, April Buchheit, Casey Muller and 11 other people liked this

Well, there are those with guns, and those who dig, but that's pretty much it. - j1m

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I don't get it - Jesse Stay

There are O(log(n)) kinds of people in this world. - Kevin Fox

You guys are starting to sound like Google employees ;-) - Jesse Stay

Recovering Google employees. ;-) - Kevin Fox

I suspect with Principal Component Analysis or Bloom filters you could find interesting subsets - Kevin Marks

Good point. I bet you could make an awesome dating site that clustered people based on which jokes they find funny instead of some boring personality profile. - Paul Buchheit

That would be an awesome Facebook app - hmmm... - Jesse Stay

I'm not sure that I would like people with my sense of humor. Though I might like people who wouldn't like people with their own sense of humor. - Kevin Fox

You could do some really interesting things on Facebook with this - have people take a quiz of jokes and select the ones they like, then show them the friends that like the same jokes. They then get to decide if they like, or dislike those types of friends. You then get smarter the next time - they use the app more because they want the app to get smarter. - Jesse Stay

All of my humor harkens back to fuzzy set theory... mostly cuz I can never remember the punchline accurately. - Mark "DerBingle" J

There actually 2^|N| where N is the set of all jokes, considering there is 1 person understanding it and 1 not. Hmm, nevermind, it doesn't make sense. - Fırat Can Başarır

"Oh, I get it! I get jokes!" - Homer Simpson - Otto

Kevin Marks

Content farms v. curating farmers - http://www.buzzmachine.com/2009...

December 14 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Mutual media that we all curate for each other is key - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

"Do you See What I See?: Visibility of Practices through Social Media" - http://www.zephoria.org/thought...

December 11 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

As I said, the Gillmor gang needs to watch this - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

The Cake is a Lie: Reputation, Facebook Apps, and "Consent" User Interfaces - http://buildingreputation.com/writing...

December 6 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Social Consent - Peer pressure against bad apps - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Intent Is The Problem - http://www.links.org/...

December 6 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

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Great to see Ben thinking about this. - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Imbeciles: update - http://www.antipope.org/charlie...

December 6 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

You too can lobby your MP directly: http://www.openrightsgroup.org/campaig... - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

It’s The Most Horrible Time of the Year! Solstice Music Review - http://www.tor.com/index...

December 5 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

“It’s Beginning to Look A Lot Like Fish-men,” and “I Saw Mommy Kissing Yog-Sothoth,” - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Fightback coming on Digital Economy Bill? - http://dooooooom.blogspot.com/2009...

December 5 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

Sensible Lords - Kevin Marks

Kevin Marks

Why We Still Write Lovecraft Pastiche - http://www.tor.com/index...

December 5 from Google Reader - Comment - Like - Share

I am very grateful for the adjective batrachian; handy for referring to that Greys Anatomy actress - Kevin Marks

Steve Gillmor to Steve's feed, RealTime Network

Gillmor Gang recording live 1PM Pacific http://www.building43.com/realtim...

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Will start in a few minutes, I'm hanging out waiting for the usual Skype call. I will have a ton of different hats on today's show. - Robert Scoble

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let the games begin - Raphael, Raphael

First hat will be a google one. Let's see if Gillmor can get me to put on the Silverlight one. - Robert Scoble

dividing attention between this and health care debate. It could be an interesting exercise. - Karoli

Karoli: cool, one conversation is important. You figure out which one. :-) - Robert Scoble

i never did like silverlight - Chris Jackson

You have actual hats? - Raphael, Raphael

Yes. Lots of hats. - Robert Scoble

I heard you were handed your hat a few times last night ;-) - Jerry Schuman

a few, yes - Robert Scoble

and it begins - michael sean wright

we are on! - Robert Scoble

Dan Farber of CBS News. - Robert Scoble

comcast merger, anyone? - Karoli

Squeeee! Doc's back...been way too long. - Karoli

I have one of those Google caps. - Raphael, Raphael

I'm sure that Google knowing every time anybody on the internet visits any other site has nothing to do with it, right? - Ken Sheppardson

Great for Analytics. - Raphael, Raphael

i.e. inserting themselves (potentially) into every client->server connection process - Ken Sheppardson

it's not just delivery, it's content control. - Karoli

Adds a new spin to the net neutrality argument - Ken Sheppardson

robert, comcast might not want you to use bing. they might want you to only use yahoo. - Karoli

More media consolidation in the hands of fewer and fewer corporations is always a good thing - Gregg H.

Dan Farber, Doc Searls, Scoble and Marks on today's Gillmor Gang: Live Now - http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

It's also interesting in the context of the fact DirecTV viewers no longer get the Versus sports network, as they couldn't negoiate a deal with Comcast - Ken Sheppardson

ask Al Gore how he feels about their negotiations re: Current TV - Karoli

and Versus carries a lot of the niche or edge sporting events - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

great point, Doc. - Karoli

Comcast is very aggressive in keeping out local competitors - they have bought every local cable company or forced them out. They have locked out all local sporting events - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Yeah, here in San Francisco we couldn't get the Stanford/Cal game this fall... it was on Versus. And it means no daily, live Tour de France coverage next July :-( - Ken Sheppardson

It was "rooter" before people started to mispronounce it. - Gregg H.

I wonder what this means for their TV On Demand section - currently NBC is not listed for any shows and CBS is very big in that list. Will this change and now NBC will only be On Demand? Will Hulu now be a Comcast Cable only site? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

The Network has changed to the point that combining cable + tv production can't corner the market in anything. - Cliff Gerrish

consolidation of power and message control - Karoli

cliff, they own the network. - Karoli

Messages can be sent from any node. - Cliff Gerrish

cliff, if i have no access to nbc news because i'm not a comcast subscriber, the messages aren't especially helpful. - Karoli

Don't you have access to NBC news via the network? - Cliff Gerrish

cliff - they already "load balance" based on where/when you are streaming from/to - so now what's to prevent them from load balancing all ABC/CBS sites in favour of NBC? - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Cliff, will I continue to? - Karoli

@Karoli - Comcast/NBC will become an out of network network :) - Rob La Gesse

I am sitting at lunch with a Silverlight guy:-) - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

Video feed is fine. - Rob La Gesse

video is fine here - Chris Jackson

Comcast is on to yous guys - Raphael, Raphael

There's no need to fear silverlight. It will die quickly. HTML 5 will make sure of that. - Gregg H.

Mixing Content and Conduit is always a bad business idea - Stephen Pickering

Michael Arrington just joined the Gillmor Gang: Live now at http://building43.com/realtime - Cliff Gerrish

Tradeoff? Silverlight is a 15 second install... - Rob La Gesse

silverlight will go the way of google gears - Chris Jackson

Gregg, I'll only believe that when we have the Olympics streamed live in HTML5. - Raphael, Raphael

NetFlix watch instantly is a nice example of Silverlight -- this relates to the Comcast deal. - Cliff Gerrish

Google Gears didn't DO anything - Silverlight does. - Rob La Gesse

I think all this stuff is inevitable. do we still need cable? or broadcast? for how long? - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

Vezquex, you'll see it - Gregg H.

Francine, the argument against the acquistion is that they'll control the Network. They won't. - Cliff Gerrish

That's a good question - will Comcast/NBC still allow Netflix/Mediafly content to be streamed at full speed or will it become traffic shaped - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

you mean will the net be.. you know... neutral? - Ken Sheppardson

Google will spank properties that throttle - that alone will keep them playing fair. - Rob La Gesse

All proprietary un-free software and platforms will lose in the long run. - Gregg H.

Cliff, they already do. If I am watching a streaming video for more than 5 minutes I get traffic shaped. If i'm watching Comcast On Demand I do not. Will Hulu now be traffic shaped or will it get a pass? That what will be the clue if they are acting in a network neutral manner - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Windows is dog slow on good rigs, whereas Chrome OS is fast even on weak hardware. - Raphael, Raphael

CrunchPad update? - Ken Sheppardson

that's what i'm waiting for - CrunchPad questions - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

what's traffic shaped - Francine Hardaway from BuddyFeed

Silverlight adjusts to the speed of the bandwidth... - Cliff Gerrish

scoble - diet coke is bad..... - Chris Jackson

Francine - it is basically throttling of your bandwidth based on content and/or destination - Rob La Gesse

Francine - if i'm streaming a video on Comcast the first 5 or so minutes are at my full bandwidth capability (15mbs) but if I continue past that point the speed of the video drops to less than 1mbs - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

But Silverlight is from Microsoft. How can it be good? - Raphael, Raphael

See Moonlight + Mono.... - Cliff Gerrish

Amazing Silverlight is actually seeing some traction. Developer Cuz predicted it would 2 years ago. - JimmyJet

When Google switches Youtube videos to Ogg Theora natively palyabe in HTML 5 Browsers I think Gillmor and others that deride the importance of free software codecs and platforms will have a revelation - Gregg H.

bah - I have to run an errand - I wish the video show could be viewed later - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

wish those questions had been asked in 2001 - Karoli

Bear - it can - they are always posted on building43.com a few days later. - Rob La Gesse

Gillmor Gang is available on YouTube - your DVR of choice... - Cliff Gerrish

google'll be using h264 and html5 video before any os codec - Kevin Marks

Silverlight is as un-free as you can get. - Gregg H.

oh snap! I had no clue - thanks rob and cliff - bear (aka Mike Taylor)

Silverlight is every bit as free as Google Search - Rob La Gesse

Silverlight is free (as in beer). - Raphael, Raphael

Mike is trying to open one of those un-openable plastic wrapped packages - I feel for you, Mike! - Rob La Gesse

be careful Mike, sharp edges on that package. - michael sean wright

scissors help, Mike. - Karoli

lol, karoli. - Hilary Talbot

Ubuntu netbook remix - Raphael, Raphael

Mike - use a hand grenade, Those suckers are tough! - Rob La Gesse

seriously, take a pair of scissors and cut it. It works. surgically, even. - Karoli

Is locked down linux an open system? - Cliff Gerrish

The importance of the use of our computer devices in our lives are fundamental. That's why the software and hardware has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. The software and hardware providers control our lives. That's the problem Steve. - Gregg H.

But you need a real computer to debug anything. You couldn't actually debug from within Chrome OS. - Raphael, Raphael

Is ChromeOS going to give you access to the command line? - Cliff Gerrish

Gregg - that's crazy. As crazy as "free" healthcare. - Rob La Gesse

strange disconnect between these guys talking about high tech and Mike opening a plastic insane package with his teeth. - Karoli

"free" as in freedom - Gregg H.

CromiumOS is free - Gregg H.

Rob, "free" as in accessible to all but a few elite. - Karoli

Freedom isn't free - far from it. - Rob La Gesse

free as in kittens - Kevin Marks

The importance of the use of cars, homes, electricity and food in our lives are fundamental. That's why cars, homes, electricity and food has to be free. Otherwise we don't control our lives. [oh, "free" free] - Ken Sheppardson

Chromium is NOT free. I pay for it with my attention and my gestures - and Google profits off both. - Rob La Gesse

free as in radical - Ken Sheppardson

"opening a plastic insane package with his teeth" Either a good way to take out aggression or raise blood pressure, take your choice. - JimmyJet

the livestream from SuperNova has been great. Good panels and very good discussions. - Jerry Schuman

If we understand that phones are going to the Network -- why don't we see that television is going there as well. - Cliff Gerrish

Aside from a philosophical view. After being Windows free for 2 years and being free of malware, spyware, adware, and not having to run virus scan software and all that crap, I really don't understand why people like Gillmor think Linux is second class to Windows. I would never want the pain and horrible experience of using Windows again purely for practical reasons. - Gregg H.

Gregg, I understand Windows 7 is quite nice. I'm planning to buy a cheap Windows 7 notebook as a backup machine. - Karoli

Right CLiff. - Francine Hardaway

Right. I have both GV, Vonage and Ribbit, and I have one phone number. It's my cell phone - Francine Hardaway

we just went off air - Jerry Schuman

off air? - Raphael, Raphael

oops, looks like we lost the feed. - Karoli

lost it.... - Chris Jackson

Back shortly - Cliff Gerrish

it's back - Ken Sheppardson

oops - who tripped over the cord? - Rob La Gesse

Windows 7 rocks. - Robert Scoble

hit refresh - Jerry Schuman

We know we're off the air. Sorry. - Robert Scoble

You're not :-) - Ken Sheppardson

o - is steve G. running this on a win 7 box?? - Chris Jackson

We should be back now. - Robert Scoble

get the tricaster a cooling fan stat - Brian Hendrickson

off again - Jerry Schuman

the conversation never stopped on our side, though. - Robert Scoble

sad - Raphael, Raphael

Something is wacky. My video has sucked the whole time. - Robert Scoble

We are recording this, though, and will have the whole thing up. - Robert Scoble

I'm not getting a feed. - Francine Hardaway

Please don't make me watch the Hummingbird Nest Cam. - michael sean wright

Want to know if Michael gets that Magic Jack package open. - JimmyJet

Shouldve used Justin.tv & Google Video Chat ahead of FF - A.Karriem A. Khan

it's back - Raphael, Raphael

You guys should talk a bit about Status.net, formerly Laconi.ca. Evan Proudomu just got over $1 Mil in VC. It could wind up being a very viable free federated decentralized competitor to Twitter. - Gregg H.

FF is good for importing to gmail & DataMining yourself AUTOMAGICALLY , Like TwitCloud http://www.building43.com/realtim... - A.Karriem A. Khan

Gregg: yeah, that will come up soon. Evan blocked me though. Heheh. - Robert Scoble

Tell Doc I said hi - Jesse Stay

Robert. I would love to see an interview with Status.net guys on Building43 - Gregg H.

Hi Doc and Dan and Robert...travel safely, all! thanks for the show. :) - Karoli

Thanks, we'll see what we can do regarding status.net. - Robert Scoble

Cool - Gregg H.

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