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Seesmic, Friendfeed and Twitter next to each other in a test version of Twhirl. Adding tons of Friendfeed experience improvements in there, Marco rocks.
Nicholas James, Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah, Wins Fern and 94 other people liked this
I love this version. And Seesmic in Twhirl is so addictive
- Loic Le Meur
nice improvements Loic!! bring it on!!
- Susan Beebe
can't wait - gimme more ;o)
- Marco Sascha Sven Hoppe
from twhirl
very interesting. The friendfeed integration looks way better than before. Will have to give this a look when it is released.
- Rob Diana
Seesmic ROCKS!!
- Larry
from twhirl
okay, so FF and Twitter are in the latest? but not Seemic correct?
- Lou Paglia
This might get me back into Twhirl.
- Akiva Moskovitz
and it has FF rooms support!
- Loic Le Meur
The question is when ?
- Gilles Meiers
from twhirl
wow, looks great. remind me http://twitku.com/ for a second there...
- Orli Yakuel
looks very cool. exactly what we need. but what about plurk ;)
- Phil Coyne
from twhirl
needs pownce and jaiku support too. Then it will be the total solution
- Adrian
from twhirl
yes... when?
- Mike Wills
@LouPaglia - correct, Seesmic is not integrated with Twirl desktop app yet
- Susan Beebe
in a few days I think for the new FF integration. Seesmic comes next.
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Super! When!??!
- Florin Grozea
from twhirl
looks like it might replace alert thingy as my RIA of choice
- Steve Lynch
from Alert Thingy
Great ! Thanks
- Gilles Meiers
from twhirl
integrate into one window, is all i ask, make it indisputably the best
- Ruben Llibre
none of them working in linux TOO BAD!
- Yassin Alvandi
Is twitter's api actually back up at 50 req/hr?
- Shawn Farner
The old Twhirl works for me in linux for me, it just won't remember my password.
- Daniel E. Renfer
from twhirl
Yes Marco does. Twhirl is becoming my info hub. And if Twitter dies, who cares I'm sure Pownce, Jaiku or whatever could be swapped in
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
so is seesmic cool now?
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
How do we score the test ver? :)
- Soulhuntre
from twhirl
You tease. Where do I download it?
- Rafe Needleman
Cannot wait, big Guy!
- ledretch
I want... When?
- highcenter
from twhirl
Can't wait!!
- Danish Khan
from twhirl
actually it will be pushed in an hour or two
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
Can't wait!
- Tris Hussey
from twhirl
Nice teasing. Do you have any release date or will you take the "it's done when it's done" side?
- Romain Péchard
from twhirl
I would love some "best practices" guide for how to get the most out of all that information that will be flooding in.
- Brendan Cosgrove
from twhirl
How do I add my Seesmic account into Twhirl 082? It's not showing up in the "accounts" list.
- Rafe Needleman
from twhirl
We should have a Twhirl + Seesmic preview in the very next days
- Loic Le Meur
from twhirl
wait, what exactly is the difference between Twhirl and Seesmic? I thought Seesmic was replacing Twhirl...
- Piero Ardizone
This looks awesome!
- Svartling
I think this what im looking for!
- Michael Scott
Wow nice work, I really like the improvements made :)
- Jeunelle Foster
awesome!
- barbarars
wow - one of the furthest back boomerang ff threads i've seen
- mike "glemak" dunn
nice!
- .LAG liked that
Wow, this is pretty old. I got excited for a second, thought Loic had seen the light and was starting to care about Twhirl again. NOPE.
- Shawn Farner
Wow. I just made Chrome my default browser. I never thought I'd do that ...bye bye Firefox 8-O
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i just can't live without my X-Marks
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
I am now switching over to make friendfeed my official twitter client.
Thierry R. Andriamirado, Neurario, KyNam Doan and 109 other people liked this
Why?
- Tadhg Kelly
because friendfeed rocks!!! thats why :)
- (jeff)isageek
seriously though...I am using friendfeed more and more and now with saved searches I can create friends lists and pull just their twitter messages and follow them like i would with tweetdeck or whatever. once saved searches go real time that will be awesome!
- (jeff)isageek
plus if someone is not signed up for friendfeed or not streaming their twitter posts...no problem...just create an imaginary friend and there you go!
- (jeff)isageek
I'll join you this week, when I start back Twitter-ing. been on friendfeed only since sat. yes it rocks!
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
jeff what about mobile/iphone updates that you want to post on friendfeed then to twitter ? I'm using buddyfeed now and don't think there is a way...
- Wayne Sutton
from BuddyFeed
wayne yeah that would be one mobile limitation of using friendfeed as your twitter client at this time that I can think of. without saying every posted message via friendfeed goes to twitter I dont think that is possible.
- (jeff)isageek
what would be kool is if friendfeed would add like a switch command like say #tw or something that tells the system. ok post this via my mobile to friendfeed but also post it to twitter.
- (jeff)isageek
as a matter of fact i think i will add that to the friendfeed feedback as an option i would like to see
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah, it already is half way there for me as well. I don't have too many imaginary friends though, but I'm with you on this.
- Parth Awasthi
the other issue with twitter messages is obviously to get the @ replies they would have to be one of your friends. so you might have to check twitter.com from time to time to see if someone you are not following @ messaged you. you could grab the rss feed of twitter search but it doesnt show you the name of the person who sent the message in the rss feed.
- (jeff)isageek
Today, I unfollowed anyone on twitter who had an FF account, and subscribed to them here. Down to 100 people. One of them joined FF, but he made a good point when he said FF needed more effort than twitter (initially, at least). People need to setup a personal "system" (lists + filters) before they can reap the advantages FF has over twitter.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yes...I think people who say friendfeed sucks or dont understand how it can help them have not found the saved searches. those things are really key to getting so much more out of friendfeed then watching your home stream fly by.
- (jeff)isageek
Do you think it would be a good idea for FF to provide a "template" of sort ? I think they provided some default lists in the old site, perhaps they should provide some group subscriptions, some default, common filters ?
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
i think really the main thing is just us the friendfeed junkies blogging and just talking about how awesome the saved searches are and how powerful they can be.
- (jeff)isageek
i think if your average user or even power user who is not familiar with them see's and hears about them in action they will be like wow that is a great feature and a reason to use friendfeed other then to create a stream of all your activities
- (jeff)isageek
Hmm. Is there a useful guide anywhere that explains how to set this up? I'd be interested to try it out but find a lot of how friendfeed works kind of complicated and I don't usually have the time to dig into it.
- Tadhg Kelly
Tadhg if you are looking for info on the saved search stuff i recommend checking out the FF saved searches group http://friendfeed.com/ffss as well as bwana did a great show on the power of them http://sn.im/gdmxs
- (jeff)isageek
In fact, if you think about it FF doesn't have one killer feature as such. Lists, Discussions, Searches, Likes - they're all subtle tools that can be used in diverse ways. I guess we just need to demonstrate them to our friends.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
I think this whole discussion is a prime example of how much communicating with a large group is so much better on friendfeed then twitter. can you imagine coming in 5 messages ago and getting what has all been said by following @ replies and we could never have the threaded conversation and long responses.
- (jeff)isageek
1up jeff
- BEX
I would be 100% on FriendFeed now if I weren't running a service that had Twitter support. It's a much more cozy environment.
- Jesse Stay
i hear ya jesse I really liked your blog post about using twitter with gmail and started using it. great way to do it...but it all came back to me wanting to get as much as I can into friendfeed and staying at this great place :)
- (jeff)isageek
Next step, turn off Twitter on FriendFeed! Weaning yourself from the tit - er twitter - is painful but strangely satisfying.
- Leo Laporte
Twitter is the worst part of friendfeed! As people have said, it's the little differences that make ff what it is!
- Chris Lloyd
that would be a big step leo. I dont know if i am ready to go that far yet. I still have a lot of friends who use twitter that i want to keep in touch with so for now I will stick around there :) but i am slowly making the move towards what you are saying for sure.
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, you could post from here, turn off your Twitter stream (since it would be duplicate content anyway), and use TweetBeep to track mentions of your name. No more Twitter. :-)
- Jesse Stay
If you use PeopleBrowsr you don't need to switch. Just open a stack with your friendfeed. You can make combined lists from both twitter and friendfeed in PeopleBrowsr
- Svartling
some good thoughts there jesse!! hmmm
- (jeff)isageek
svartling i have started playing around with PeopleBrowsr a bit. need to check it out some more.
- (jeff)isageek
There are just _too_ many tools now, seesmic, peoplebrowsr, tons of websites that do things atop twitter....
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
And I mean that in a negative sense.
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Ahsan yeah there are a few tools out there :) plus with different services out there it can make for an interesting plan of attack to keep up with everyone.
- (jeff)isageek
wow this has really turned into a big discussion :)
- (jeff)isageek
I'm with Jeff on this one. And probably the biggest reason is the quality of the content and users on FF. I over followed a ton of people on Twitter, and it's kinda too much work do go in and unfollow a bunch of people. So, I'm finding myself more in FF. And, it's easier to find good users via the comments they leave and the rooms they belong to. (However, I will admit that I could do some of that in Twitter via searches. But I'd still have to do all that unfollowing)
- Bill Bittner
my only thing about peoplebrowsr is I am trying to get away from things like tweetdeck or whatever. and just have friendfeed as my base of social web operations.
- (jeff)isageek
Jesse, can you point TweetBeep directly to FF via the email feed or does it need to verify the address?
- CAJ, somewhere else
jesse back to your thought of killing my twitter stream on friendfeed...I feel like that should be up to people who follow me. if they dont want my twitter posts or want to get rid of the duplication then they can hide those entries. but I feel like I should supply all my streams here and let everyone do with it what they want.
- (jeff)isageek
i think with tweetbeep you can grab an rss feed cant you jesse?
- (jeff)isageek
i grabbed the rss feed from tweetbeep and basically since it just uses twitter search to get its data it never shows who the tweet was from without clicking it. so i couldnt pull that rss feed in here and see oh hey so and so just @ replied me without taking extra steps. now the email funtionality does show you the user you @ replied you.
- (jeff)isageek
interesting idea there about the email feed though alan but yeah i think when i signed up for tweetbeep i had to verify the email address
- (jeff)isageek
Well, the Twitter search rss gives you a direct link to the tweet, which contains the person's nick: http://twitter.com/persons...
- Ahsan Ali aka. Slick
Jeff, I'm testing it out now. Stand by!
- CAJ, somewhere else
yeah but Ahsan it would be nice to just see it in your friendfeed stream or whatever and just know who it was from rather then having to click away from the service
- (jeff)isageek
Jeff, but if your Twitter stream is exactly the same as your FriendFeed stream is there really reason to keep it?
- Jesse Stay
point taken Jesse
- (jeff)isageek
Alan, you can add the RSS I think - haven't tried. I prefer e-mail because it ensures I don't miss anything.
- Jesse Stay
ah forget it I think I am just gonna move everything back to myspace :)
- (jeff)isageek
jesse and thinking about your idea of just pulling your twitter feed if someone really wanted to have my twitter feed for filtering purposes they could just create and imaginary me and pull the data that way.
- (jeff)isageek
Hmmm, so tweetbeep notification made it into FF okay by changing my email in tweetbeep to iphwin@friendfeed.com (http://friendfeed.com/iphwin...). However, it didn't show any information about who it came from. Well, unless because *I* sent it, it shows from me. lol, that make any sense?
- CAJ, somewhere else
ok i went ahead and pulled my twitter posts from my friendfeed profile.
- (jeff)isageek
PeopleBrowser can be overwhelming in the beginning, but when you get it, you will never use anything else. I'm both a Twitter and FriendFeed freak and this tool is perfect for both. Plus much more. You can even get blogsearch streams and other RSS Feeds in realtime!
- Svartling
Svartling that is pretty kool but I still think going that route means I have to give up time on the actual friendfeed site which is what I am striving to do with the changes I am making and bringing both twitter and friendfeed together the best I can here at FriendFeed.com
- (jeff)isageek
Ok. I understand but you can do that in PeopleBrowsr too ;) But I know what you mean. Good luck.
- Svartling
but I will keep playing around with PeopleBrowsr too though. I might find it to be a better fit after a few days :) I am all about trying new things and new ideas. that is what is great about this whole conversation...bouncing ideas off of each other...talking about our thoughts and ideas on this little subject, ect.
- (jeff)isageek
Yeah that's true. I just want to let you know that PeopleBrowsr exists as an Adobe AIR app too if you prefer that. I prefer the web version.
- Svartling
Jeff just got 4 stars in my book. :-)
- Jesse Stay
from email
haha well good to know Jesse :)
- (jeff)isageek
If it werent for friendfeed, my twitter account would still be rotting away.
- Ron Wening
My experiments with tweetbeep ended in a wash. There didn't seem to be any advantage to using that service (feeding into FF via email) and using a custom RSS feed from Twitter Search. So, I'll keep the RSS feed going to my Twitter Friends group and continue with my regularly scheduled program, already in progess.
- CAJ, somewhere else
just checking out www.flock.com
- Dominik Schneider
with some development and add ons this could be a great alternative to friendfeed (or friendfeed will be integrated into flock)
- Dominik Schneider
FWIW: We are adding additional FriendFeed functionality into PeopleBrowsr this week "Home" feed and "My Discussions" were added last night, and live-testing today. We expect to have even more functionality (Lists and Rooms) coming in the very near future. Please let us know what you think when you try it :-)
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
I recently made the switch too
- Johnny
I'm just not sure you can really make FriendFeed into a full featured twitter client. You don't see everything. I even bring in a feed of my @replies from search.twitter, but those are of limited use since I can't actually use them to communicate with people who aren't FriendFeed users. or am I just missing something?
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Good move - congratulations -
- LPH™ and his dog P™
Rob, if you check "Include entry description as a comment" on that custom RSS feed it'll show who it's from. You could then start a new post with a @reply to that person. Very kludgey, eh?
- CAJ, somewhere else
Never got really in love with Twitter, but i grow to like FriendFeed more and more each day.
- Ralph
Alan: yes I could go through a bunch of hoops to do it, just seems too much trouble
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Rob, since we as users can manage a workaround, I'm hoping that the FriendFeed folks could figure something more streamlined and automatic.
- CAJ, somewhere else
While at one point I might have agreed with you Alan, I've since become a heavy believer in the multi-network "social-desktop" client, and prefer all my data to come in through a single window. To effectively FriendFeed requires more screens than I have. I find the FF web site basically insufficient for this reason. With access to my Lists and the Rooms I'm subscribed to, I'll get more...
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- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
yeah, good call - i switched to only ff awhile ago and ignored twitter but now the two tools are mostly seamless together
- mike "glemak" dunn
i love using friendfeed more, too!
- Egyirba
Nice move!
- Nicholas James
Most of my friends on Twitter are not on FF so I have them as Imaginary Friends. This is OK for reading their tweets. Also it gets round the recent @reply changes by Twitter. I can again see their @replies to other people I don't follow. BUT, I can't have FF conversations involving them because they are not on FF. Also I can't see who my twitter friends replies are directed to and then...
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- By_tor
try setting up an rss feed of your @name_twitter
- mike "glemak" dunn
Very interesting discussion over here about making FriendFeed your Twitter client. While I've thought about it in the past, there are some serious drawbacks. I'd much rather be able to import my full "with friends" RSS feed from Twitter and do some serious keyword filtering on it (have played around with using Thunderbird - Mozilla's Email client - for that purpose using the message...
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- Alex Schleber
I've done this for a few months, although sometimes I get sucked into a discussion (sometimes local folks, sometimes a customer, or potenial customer) back on Twitter. (But this starts with Twitter searches aggregated by FriendFeed.) Having a conversation is more important than choice of software, especially when the software costs nothing.
- Wade Dorrell
Mark not sure about the limitations thing. guess i have been lucky and everyone I follow pretty much is setup on friendfeed so i only had to create a handful of imaginary ones.
- (jeff)isageek
yeah protected accounts can cause an issue as well. as you know already :)
- (jeff)isageek
Yes Mark I agree, one thing FF could do to help people migrate from Twitter is a one-step process to turn all your Twitter followers who are not also on FF into Imaginary friends. A solution to the locked twitter accounts would also be useful although I don't have any of them. It also slightly annoys me that when you post on FF the copy sent to twitter has a FF link at the end. Anyway of disabling that?
- By_tor
So irritated with the assumption that gay = child molester. I like GROWN. ASS. MEN. (with good credit-- Daddy wants to buy a house.)
Kamilah Gill, David Cook, Live4Emma (L4S) and 53 other people liked this
Or that gay also means anal rapist. Or that somehow your sexuality is going to INFECT an otherwise decent heterosexual. Ridiculous.
- Akiva Moskovitz
Or that *we* want to bone *you*. We don't.
- Derrick
yeah blanket statements like that suck
- (jeff)isageek
It's the equivalent of me thinking white man = serial killer or rapist. I just adore ignorant people.
- Admiral Anika
derrick you dont? damn!! :)
- (jeff)isageek
Isn't it a proven fact that most child molesters are heterosexual?
- Nick
I know that I, for one, am constantly vigilant, lest I catch the gay. /ignorant bigotry
- Bren -- feeling merry
Nick, that is true. http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow...
- Rochelle
And why would I haphazardly pursue a straight man? What are we gonna do, besides nervously stand there at our sexual impasse? Some of my best friends are straight...lol.
- Derrick
Not only are most child molesters straight, but they are also usually known to the family as close friends, relatives or authority figures.
- Admiral Anika
as disturbing as this sounds, I remember reading somewhere that child molesters psychologically classify in their own separate category of sexual orientation, and in their case being straight or gay is a subcategory....TMI?
- Kristin Norris
Kristin, child molesters might try their best to claim us...we sure as hell don't claim them.
- Derrick
Derrick, you can babysit any time. I wouldn't even put up a Nannycam. :)
- Louis Gray
OMG Derrick. We have to talk next time you visit. Ask me about why the Catholic church had and wasted an opportunity to help reduce child molestation. It has to do with an understandable higher incidence due to factors like "convenient place to hide" and "naive assumptions about the 3rd drive" and "permanent sexual adolescence" - the joke being of course any perceived or real increase...
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- Richard pancakhaus Walker
I kind of wish someone with the opinion that "gays are child molesters" would show up in this thread and explain that viewpoint. I just don't get it and I'm curious about the basis of their opinion.
- Rochelle
Do you really hear stuff like this ? Incredible.
- Thomas Bøhm
Akiva - are you you trying to deny the base truth that we *are* trying to make everyone gay. It's point #4 on the agenda.
- Sparky
Wow, this thread has become very un-gay. Can we get a pro to gay it up some?
- Christopher Harley
Glad to, Christopher. http://www.hulu.com/watch...
- Bill Bittner
*dead* on "Daddy wants to buy a house"... just *dead*
- MASTER OF THE OBVIOUS
It actually makes sense to me that ignorant people would connect homosexuality with something so heinous. They're dumb.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach Rah
Child molesters are neither gay or straight... they are just fuckheads
- Johnny Worthington
++Johnny. My gay friends are more loyal than my straight friends, and I worry more about my straight friends sexually abusing children.
- Janet
Nick, not only heterosexual, but the majority are religious and conservative
- William Harryman
I got into a heated argument with an old friend and his wife over dinner a few years back. The wife brought up the same assumption and it made me sick. I just hope more & more people become enlightened over time....
- Peter Ghosh
Peter, based on what? I just don't get it.
- Rochelle
The wife seemed to think all gay people are deviants of some sort. She refused to accept that they are not evil. Ruined my fucking meal....
- Peter Ghosh
I think I would have walked out.
- Rochelle
LOL - it was at my house. Needless to say, she hasn't been over since (4+ years).
- Peter Ghosh
The type of people that believe gay guys are, in their words "sick", are idiots. Idiots tend to want to apply all sorts of bad adjectives to people they don't understand so they don't have to see reality, that it's more likely to be their "straight and normal" brother or uncle, or even themselves that is the sick freak that would be attacking kids.
- Alisha Vargas
Can I super-like this? Hilarious.
- Shawn Farner
The couple were also Evangelicals. One of the many reasons why those storefront churches scare the crap out of me.
- Peter Ghosh
I can't stand gay people with their laughing and making merry. Give me melancholy or morose ANYDAY. No one should be that fucking happy.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Actually I know someone like that. They see homosexuality as a sin against God, and view it like needing to be exorcised. They think being gay is another deviant behavior like pedophilia that needs to be overcome, like sloth, greed or gluttony and through prayer and counseling, someone can "get over it" and be a "good christian." (I was in a bunco group with this person and had to drop out.)
- Trish R
Im also irritated with the assumption that gay =being attracted to 20 or 30 something circuit boys.Its always been the older masculine men for me.
- james
Yes, Trish...thanks for that. Also, 1UP James. I'd be perfectly happy and content dating someone who sold insurance or was a butcher. I'm not scared off by a tummy or thinning hair in the slightest.
- Derrick
People who say these sort of things justify their thinking by saying they're not the ones doing the judging, but that "those people" will have to face God, blah blah blah. I grew up around it, so I've heard all kinds of bigoted nonsense in this part of the country. You really can't have a rational discussion with them about it. But I'm just as bad in their eyes with my biracial bastard child and I'm put on the local prayer list quite regularly.
- Trish R
People like to throw religion into the mix, but what if you're not religious? Or don't follow their religion? How are you damned to hell if you don't believe in it?
- Derrick
Wow. No words.
- Mona Nomura
Derrick, I've been told that you'll find out it exists when you get there.
- Trish R
Derrick, unfortunately, some people believe that their religion is the only right one. Shrug off the immature, delusional, ignorant, hate filled ranting of people such as those. Walk your own path and be true to you...there is no other way to live. :)
- Alex Scoble
Those religious people sure will be sorry when the Flying Spaghetti Monster imparts its justice.
- Jason Wehmhoener
I just always respond with how glad I am that I'll be going to hell so I can hang out with all my friends and the tolerant, non-judgmental people.
- Trish R
A couple made a deal that whoever died first would come back and inform the other of the after life. The woman's biggest fear was that there was no heaven. After a long life the husband was the first to go and true to his word he made contact. "Mary... Mary.... " "Is that you Fred?" "Yes, I have come back like we agreed." "What is it like?" "Well, I get up in the morning, I have sex, I...
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- Jason Wehmhoener
Derrick, I hear that nearly every week on a debate forum I belong to. The other frequent misconception; being gay (or bi, or lesbian...) is a choice. Evidently everyone is born straight and at some point you have to choose to be otherwise. Evidently when it was my time to choose, I couldn't decide. "Gay or straight, boys or girls?" I've found that frequently people who believe these...
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- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I see sexuality as a sort of continuum that you're on, rather than a choice. I'm straight, so I'm on a different part of the continuum than where a gay man would be. It's hard to articulate, because there's probably many factors, and I have no idea what a gay person feels inside. Perhaps it's one big continuum for both genders from extreme masculinity to extreme femininity?
- Rick Cogley
Rick I believe you're spot on with sexuality as a continuum...not everyone is truly 100% straight or gay in all likelihood, but I don't think masculinity or femininity have much to do with it; I'm pretty damn masculine but yet figure myself to be in that 90th percentile when it comes to gay. And I know some very seriously straight men who come off rather feminine.
- Derrick
I agree, no one is 100% gay or straight, and combined with that, no one is 100% masculine or feminine. I think the confusion is what breeds the homophobia which contributes to the bigotry.
- Trish R
Back to the original topic that Derrick set. Those of you who can read italian, should look this one: http://www.articolo21.info/8498... Local politicians charged a public library In Genova with "spread of pedopornographic material". Reason: they held a event for families (kids AND their parents), with books and readings. The event was...
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- giuseppe c. | markgreene
Tweetvisor - The Online Alternative to Tweetdeck - http://techgeist.net/2009...
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I use it every day now. I used to use iTweet's (from Rah's recommendation) but Rah recommended Tweetvisor a little later. :-) It's far easier to create groups in Tweetvisor than in TweetDeck.
- Kol Tregaskes
this becomes tough and confusing. some twitter stars say seesmic desktop is superior, others don't want to give up on tweetdeck, now there is tweetvisor. Sigh. cannot google move in and replace it all with one Uber Interface? :)
- roland legrand
I think it's important to just go with whatever client suits your needs. All clients have something slightly different and all have their pros and cons. Folks shouldn't be obsessed with which client is "best" as its a very subjective area.
- Richard Barley
Tweetvisor is asking me to log in, so they have my password? My twitter password is unique (no not the word unique) so if it's ever compromised all other accounts are ok. I suppose I'll try it....
- Mike Nencetti
the application takes 30 seconds to a minute to load.....zzzzzzz
- Mike Nencetti
+! Richard What works very well for some people won't work at all for others. (and roland, you should read Jesse Stay's blog post on using Gmail as a Twitter client http://staynalive.com/article... )
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Works great on FireFox although interferes w/ Ubiquity if using it in same window. It's got a ton of great features. Didn't want to load in Safari 4 though and I'm running 20mbps/20mbps fios connection.
- Mike Elliott
Why Bing is a stupid ass name for a search engine - http://www.inquisitr.com/24550...
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Well these are the people who thought up 'Microsoft Bob'. However, if 'Bing' was to be associated with cherries, they have a nice little postive, cute symbol to invoke and brand.
- Barbara
I've got two words for you: Microsoft Songsmith. No idea ever will be dumber than that.
- James Poling
from email
this article says, "Google has become the search language verb." so by this reasoning any search engine name that isn't "Google" is a stupid name. not exactly a compelling argument.
- Karim
I like the name. I give them my permission to use it. It's one of the big words in my world. http://www.google.com/search...
- Dave Winer
Karim: I'm not sure that was the argument. I don't think the point was that anything that's not named "Google" is stupid. He's just saying that to be able to compete with Google that is one of the levels you are going to have to compete with them on, as a verb. And no one is ever going to say with a straight face, "hey, I Binged you last night". At least I hope not.
- James Poling
from email
James, then maybe you can explain to me how "bing" as a verb is any more intrinsically stupid than "google" as a verb?
- Karim
i remember firing up a copy of Mosaic to browse this new thing called the World Wide Web. i remember thinking "World Wide Web" was a pretty stupid name. someone told me i needed to go to a site called "Yahoo" to search, and i thought that was a stupid name too. then they said there was this really good book store called "Amazon." and i thought calling a *book* store "Amazon" was just about the stupidest name i had ever heard of in my life.
- Karim
Karim, I'm not sure a word can be "more intrinsically" stupid than another word, I just think the point that at least with Google, it was not a word that was widely associated with anything already, (unless you're a mathematician and you count googol). Either way it's a pretty subjective argument, I was just saying that I don't think the point of the story was that ANY word other than...
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- James Poling
from email
thank you James
- Steven Hodson
Is it too Zune to declare Bing a flop?
- Louis Gray
@Louis :) nicely done
- Steven Hodson
well there are several possible arguments being made and none of them make sense to me. one is that Google "owns" the verb (i.e. anything other that "google" is stupid). another is that it "bing" doesn't sound as good as "google" when used as a verb -- as if "googling" something sounds natural. the last argument you are making is that "bing" is associated with cherries and this is a Bad...
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- Karim
Steven, do you care to elaborate?
- Karim
Bing Lee was already taken?
- Will Higgins™
err, Bing is a singer.
- Nathan Rein
Well, why not call it Bingle then - hang on, let me just bingle that first. -[
- Chris Loft
@Karim .. I realize that googling in of itself is a stupid term. I thought Google was a stupid name when I first heard it, but in our current web world Google *is* search. People use terms like "googled", "googling", "I googled you" as interchangable terms for "search". It has become the defacto way popular culture talks about - uses - search. If Microsoft wants to gain any ground it...
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- Steven Hodson
i hear you Steven, but what i'm not getting is *why* you think that.
- Karim
<scratching head> hmmm .. because I don't believe that "Bing" as a verb e.g.: bing, binged, binging will be something that people will be able to incorporate in their natural language (with a straight face anyway) as they have with Google. I'm not saying I'm right I just feel that if Microsoft even wants a chance in search they really need to understand "the culture of popular language" and how it is incorporated in our lives. Bing doesn't work .. at least not in my opinion but then who am I really ....
- Steven Hodson
I can imagine the marketing discussion that resulted in this name. Since google is the verb synonymous with search, they didn't even want to try to compete with that. To "google" something is a question, but they wanted to be the answer, as in "BING BING BING...I found the answer."
- dthree
I can't think of BING without thinking of Mr. Crosby.
- Harry McCracken
@David I can *almost* see that but still I think that should have gone back to their lines of coke and tried again
- Steven Hodson
i'm scratching my head too, Steven, for a couple of reasons. first, i don't see why it sounds any less natural to say "let me bing that and get back to you" over "let me google that and get back to you." it's not like one is obviously correct and one is obviously wrong. second, even if you buy the argument that "bing" has worse conjugation than "google," it isn't clear what value the verb has. what did people say before Google? I "yahoo'ed" something? I "altavista'ed" something? I "asked Jeeves?"
- Karim
After the name was announced, microsoft mgmt should have told their marketing consultants "BING BING BING, your fired!"
- dthree
my point about Yahoo and Amazon is that the internet has been full of OMG *STUPID* names since Day One. but if you supply a service that people love ("Twitter?" Jesus...) it almost doesn't matter what the name is. whatever Microsoft's search is called is probably going to live or die on the quality of the search results, and not the name. i could be totally wrong about that, but that's how it seems to me.
- Karim
@Karim check out the AdAge article http://adage.com/digital... .. it provides some interesting stuff to consider regarding the platform being the winner
- Steven Hodson
Oh and I don't disagree with you about the silliness of name past and present. I just think that Google has gotten such a mindshare that it is going to be really difficult to fight that and it won't be based on the platform - unless of course Microsoft does manage to really shock and awe us with something new but I doubt it.
- Steven Hodson
Well, it's better than Kumo, but that's not saying a lot.
- AJ Kohn
Ditto Karim (and Adam Lasnik .....over on the other stream :). If it's quality (with a little subtle marketing) makes absolutely no difference what it's called.
- Charlie Anzman
lol James... Steven, thanks for the Ad Age link. interesting article, but it seems to boil down to a brand loyalty argument... which is a factor, but not the only one. i think a lot of people will try it out. the threshold to do that is very low: lower than trying out a new web browser. the question for me is whether they will return. :-) to be sticky, they can't just have *parity* with...
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- Karim
@Karim .. or they have to be able to provide equal results in enough of a new and different way that will keep coming back. Not saying that they will be but that would be the one avenue forward
- Steven Hodson
Would you prefer if they called it Bling? :-) http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Dave Winer
Forget the name, I want to know why MS insists on competing in the search space. I can't believe that MSN/Live search is making a profit, and MS isn't a search company. What is the motivation?
- Glenn Slaven
@Glenn because there is too much money on the table for them not to be. Considering that even percentage points are worth millions (or more can't remember the exact figure but I bet Robert does) so even if they only double what they already have for marketshare they win
- Steven Hodson
Bing. Not bad, but I'm not sure what the difference would be from what they have now if any.
- Rick Cogley
Also, one possible past tense for "I binged it" is "I bunged it" which obviously is not such a positive connotation.
- Rick Cogley
definitely not Rick LOL :)
- Steven Hodson
binged bunged bonged? :-)
- Rick Cogley
Terms are infinitely flexible -- they come to mean whatever they are associated with. If the product with which a term is associated is excellent, the term will sound just fine. If Google had been called Bing, Bing would now sound cool. Bing bam boom. Bada bing bada boom.
- Sean McBride
The Beatles -- no way in hell that name could work for a rock band.
- Sean McBride
Bing: instant of insight, of illumination. Sartori. Direct and fast. To the point. Instantaneous.
- Sean McBride
+1 Sean
- Todd Hoff
Microsoft needs to realise that they need to stop rebranding or find a dictionary word and spell it incorrectly by accident ;)
- Nicholas James
The TImes asks experts a good question today - Is there such a thing as overuse of social networking tools? http://roomfordebate.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...
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Is Social Media Making Corporate Websites Irrelevant? - http://mashable.com/2009...
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Enterprise 2.0 Needs a FriendFeed writes @tacanderson http://www.newcommbiz.com/enterpr... Connectbeam, Socialcast, CubeTree, Yammer? APIs + RSS
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why not just use friendfeed for it?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Wondering how important behind-the-firewall is here. When I was at Connectbeam, that was often an important consideration for big companies.
- Hutch Carpenter
in today's enterprise, many it groups are considering external providers so the "firewall" is just becoming a comfort level w/ "security" of connections - can be internal or external but internal comes w/ lots of other costs to support and maintain - better tco to outsource to a service provider - that being said i do not think the "average worker" (whatever that means) is ready for friendfeed unfortunately...
- mike "glemak" dunn
i wish the enterprise was ready for friendfeed btw hutch :)
- mike "glemak" dunn
I would also speculate it's an issue of company culture. Not too many in the upper tier of major corporations would be comfortable having their entire activity stream propagated everywhere. It's perhaps possible they can opt-out or limit their stream somehow, but it must be done in a way that assures rest of company still maintains buy-in for these tools.
- Matsis
Under no circumstances should enterprises trust the cloud with intellectual property or customer confidentiality and still remain "social". There's simply too much at stake.
- jcunwired
"Under no circumstances" - so everyone currently using outsourced services is wrong then, soa, saas, web services, syndicated services - all wrong, huh?
- mike "glemak" dunn
Streams are entering the enterprise with great success. We are providing these information cascades to enterprises with Socialcast to improve information flow and awareness across the entire organization. Behind the firewall is a major consideration when you start plugging into legacy data stores that already exist behind the firewall.
- Tim Young
Tim - is Socialcast behind the firewall (yeah, I guess I should go to your website...)?
- Hutch Carpenter
You can run it either SaaS or behind the firewall. Most companies start on SaaS to test and then contact us to move it behind the firewall.
- Tim Young
Mike, the enterprise is ready for a friendfeed esq system. May be internally for the mainstream ones but the same concept. This is old but here it is anyway: http://bit.ly/14UlOd
- Sameer
sameer: good post thanks
- mike "glemak" dunn
The Tasteful Thickness Of Your Free Google Profile Business Card - http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...
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"Google is now giving away 10,000 sets of business cards to people that have one. The deal, in partnership with iPrint.com, is being promoted with a huge link at the top of Google Profile pages. The link reads, “New! Order profile business cards to tell your friends about your profile.” Click on the link and you’ll be taken to an ordering page."
- edythe
from Bookmarklet
Ordered
- Uncle CW™
I ordered mine. And I've been getting cards from iPrint for ages now, they're pretty decent.
- ♥patricia♥
Offer not valid in Hawaii. -1 iPrint
- Bill Sodeman
Thanks Edythe
- Russellreno
TwitterGadget added some image features. You can now upload pics from within the app.
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Celebrities Take Over Twitter, Kick Geeks Aside - http://www.businessinsider.com/celebri...
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"As Twitter grows up, one of the best examples of its becoming mainstream is how widely and quickly real-life celebrities have latched onto the service, pushing Twitter's early heroes -- Internet-famous-types and tech journalists -- aside."
- Kol Tregaskes
from Bookmarklet
Not really. I'm not on the popularity bandwagon, and don't sub to TV celebs pining for attention on Twitter like angsty teens. No Britney, Oprah or Kutcher here. Scoble and iJustine are value for me.
- Mo Kargas
I'm with Mo.
- Mark Traphagen
Mo is right, IMO. I've Twittered on this subject across my feed for a week now. Celebrities will rarely offer insight or think to communicate with some of us lesser-thans, unless our Follower Ranking appeases their ego's needs. Celebrities are turning Twitter into a "Jump the Shark" moment, and I'm frightened.
- Terence
Interesting mix there :)
- Charlie Anzman
Very. Scoble offers the most value here, as Mo points out.
- Roberto Bonini
Uhm, you just unfollow them? Or better yet, don't follow them in the first place.
- Yuvi
I agree. Once I saw that Twitter was becoming another soap box for celebs, I quickly unfollowed them. They don't get the spirit of twitter. They're using it like their own personal CNN. They broadcast news, we consume it. Twitter is NOT a one way street. They've turned it into a freak show.
- Kandeezie
Yuvi -- the joke is Twitter is either broken or corrupt -- you can't unfollow them.
- Brian Sullivan
Maybe I'm missing something, but they bleat out their stuff just like anyone else. It's a 'status updater'. I very rarely have conversations on Twitter because it sucks for that. I'll either move it to email, Plurk or give up. Why crap on famous people who are using the service the same way all the geek-famous have been?
- Admiral Anika
@Abby, you are correct:it's all about P.R.....and the Fail Whale.
- Terence
Here Before Oprah.com - hee - http://herebeforeoprah.com/
Peter Efland, Lee Ingram, Russell Holliman and 11 other people liked this
i'm glad someone had the quick thinking to nab this domain. ha.
- edythe
Wow, this is going to be very viral for a few days. After I did it about 5 of my followers did too, LOL.
- Eric Florenzano
did it
- Rahul Das
Its probably just a simple webpage without any calls to the Twitter API to see if a username exists or whether it actually did exist before oprah.
- Rahul Das
Try putting in Oprah :)
- Eric Florenzano
10 Youtube URL Tricks You Should Know About - http://www.makeuseof.com/tag...
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Highdef scoreboard at Citi Field - http://www.flickr.com/photos...
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Cathleen is sorry, but if I only had coffee with you once and then ran into you at a conference, I'm not writing you a recommendation on LinkedIn. Unless, of course, you want me to praise your coffee-drinking skills.
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What if it was lunch?
- Kevin Gamble
Are the elderly more technologically plugged in than doctors? http://www.kevinmd.com/blog...
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baby mammoths - a near-perfect frozen mammoth resurfaces after 40,000 years, bearing clues to a great vanished species - http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2009...
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On a May morning in 2007, on the Yamal Peninsula in northwestern Siberia, a Nenets reindeer herder named Yuri Khudi stood with three of his sons on a sandbar on the Yuribey River, holding council over a diminutive corpse. Though they'd never seen such an animal before, they knew it well from stories their people sang on dark winter nights in their storytelling lodges. This was a baby mamont, the beast the Nenets say wanders the frozen blackness of the underworld, herded by infernal gods just as the Nenets herd their reindeer across the tundra. Khudi had seen many mammoth tusks, the honey-colored, corkscrew shafts as thick as tree limbs that his people found each summer. But he had never seen an entire animal, let alone one so eerily well preserved. Apart from its missing hair and toenails, it was perfectly intact.
- Cee Bee
On this day in 1937, Daffy Duck appeared for the first time in "Porky's Duck Hunt".
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I would like friend feed to automatically be able to create imaginary friends out of all my facebook friends.
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And not only FB, and able to detect those imaginary friends who are already on FF...
- Rodrigo
Newsarama.com : Paramount Looking at Star Trek Sequel - http://www.newsarama.com/film...
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"Paramount’s re-start of the Star Trek film series is just over a month away, but as Variety reports, the studio already has an eye on a second installment. To these ends, Roberto Orici, Alex Kurtzman and Damon Lindelof have already been hired to write the sequel to the J.J. Abrams’ first film. Abrams will produce the second film, along with his producing partner Bryan Burk. Abrams has not yet decided if he will direct the second installment. The three writers will also serve as producers for the second film. As the trade reports, the three writers are looking to deliver the script by the holidays this year, for a summer 2011 release."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
""There's obviously a lot of hubris involved in signing on to write a sequel of a movie that hasn't even come out yet," said Lindelof, co-creator with Abrams of ABC's "Lost" who produced the upcoming "Trek" but did not contribute to Orci and Kurtzman's screenplay. "But we're so excited about the first one that we wanted to proceed." As for potential storylines, Kurtzman stressed that...
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- RAPatton
Observation: same two primary writers (and producers) which means there should be good chance of continuity of story, style and form, even if Abrams doesn't direct.
- Michael W. May
Dear Hulu: TV.COM and BOXEE made it easier for me to find your content. They are not your competition; bittorrent is. You have to make it easier to watch the shows you make available then it is to pirate them
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for the last few weeks, other then the news and LOST, I have been watching all my TV through boxee
- Bastard Operator From FF
WIth Google Killing Products, Is Reader Next? - http://www.micropersuasion.com/2009...
Ravi, Wade Dorrell, Marcus Beagley and 34 other people liked this
I hope not. It's a convenient, reasonably functional way to check on my fav feeds. I don't always want to launch a separate client for that. Hop back to my Gmail tab, select Reader and I'm good to go. I also like full feed readers and ones that show images and clickable video links.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
2 syllables: FeedDemon
- Glenn Slaven
I can boil this down simply: if it's not core search or part of Google Apps or currently monetized, it's at risk or at minimum will be monetized.
- Steve Rubel
feed demon is three syllables.
- Scot Mcphee
FeedDemon: 3 syllables. I won't mind going back to NetNewsWire. Also 3 syllables.
- Graham English
oh, and yeah, google reader is awesome. unfortunately i reckon they will monetise it no matter what blogs think. they could include their ads in a way that doesn't stop people advertising in their feeds. e.g. a side bar, like in gmail.
- Scot Mcphee
d'oh!, my point still stands!
- Glenn Slaven
Data, data, data. GReader may not be directly monetized but you bet they are mining the attention data just as Ask is mining Bloglines attention data. Lots of juice tidbits in there to support behavioral targeting for example and than some. With nearly 70% of the RSS reader market share, GReader is here to stay.
- Bill Flitter
No way
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
@Ed but they will need to monetize it. Maybe Flitter can help.
- Steve Rubel
@Bill but within a small market. Why not push it broader?
- Steve Rubel
@Steve. Agreed. But I think it's a core property. I can't remember the fine print, but I think they can data mine Reader same as Gmail, correct?
- Ed Shahzade /NextInstinct
Ike from the blog's comments is right, and I'd like to hear more on what he thinks will happen.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
Steve. Not sure I understand your comment, "But within a small market. Why not push it broader?"
- Bill Flitter
Short version: "No."
- Jeff
Note that last comment is from a senior Google exec.
- Steve Rubel
Thank gawd, I love Reader, it's easily the best aggregation tool I've used, and I've used lots. The new design was great, the mobile versions are great, it works great as an Web App in Chrome, and I can only see it getting better.
- Will Higgins™
i hope not, I hope people will clock on to syndication and they could monetize via contextual ad-sense - perhaps they could merge it with gmail to increase awareness
- Franz Sittampalam
from twhirl
Nope, Reader is my inbox for RSS feeds. They wouldn't kill it because I need/use it would they? =)
- B2B Specialist
Google Reader is basic for my online activity: icurrently use it not only to keep in sync with my feeds but also as a blogging platform (i've got a blog post about this if you want more details: http://mirkofm.tumblr.com/post...). Moreover, its mobile interface is huge and i will definitely miss it if they're putting it aside.
- mirko
I am disappointed that Notebook is not going any further. I use it all the time when researching things and for organizing notes for meetings.
- Kevin Shannon
I kept away from Evernote because of Google Notebook, it had enough functionality for my needs... I will have to reconsider Evernote.
- Claudio Calligaris
For those of you with too many notes to count...you can export them to Google Docs. Tools / Export to Google Docs.
- Claudio Calligaris
They do monetize it indirectly through feedburner and adsense for feeds - the more users they get reading feeds the more will see those ads. Plus Reader is so heavily tied into iGoogle that it barely makes sense to look at them as two products.
- Eric P
I don't think google reader will broaden it's audience unless it provides some additional ways to view the posts that are independent of which feeds it's in.
- Shawn McCollum
I don't care for Google reader and I can't like it. But the end of the developing of Notebook was the worst news of this year for me. I used it every day, many times to save links to post and I couldn't find anything as good as it for me. That's really sad and none of their suggestions have the same features or usability as it.
- Bibi
Feedly is the future of Reader.
- Kevin Gamble
I agree with Bill, Reader is a goldmine of attention data. It may not directly generate revenue, but it is still valuable to Google. Google could also choose to directly monetize it. It wouldn't be too hard to throw contextual ads into the interface without being disruptive. And lastly, I'm not sure it's the future of Reader, but Feedly is pretty cool, and getting cooler all the time.
- Robert Clockedile
Vera the Enormous Spider
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When I picked up my kids for the weekend, I was introduced to Vera the Enormous Spider. I took these with my iPhone, which doesn't have a macro lens. Vera appears to be a Golden Silk Spider. She has a mate who is so small, he really doesn't show.
- Chris Baskind
And those are two of may way-cool kids in the background: James and Alexandra. They're the youngest.
- Chris Baskind
wow...hi James and Alexandra *waves* :)
- Anna Haro
Like and then HIDE.. so cool but.. eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek. *runs*
- Alix Whitmire
If you wish to live and thrive let a spider run alive -- an old saying.
- Sprague D
"Like and Hide" is epic. haha
- Chris Baskind
"like" then "hide" spiders = ;kjlj;lkjjshd;a;lja;lksj;lk but kids and pac man hoodies ftw!
- Mona Nomura
I love spiders. I hate webs. Specifically, walking into them.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Yeah, James' Pac Man hoodie rules. I gotta get one. By the way, it's 90 degrees in that photo. They were showing off their new stuff.
- Chris Baskind
I love the web and I hate spiders
- AJ Batac
So huge spider. is it dangerous?
- Mahdi Ebrahimi
Mahdi: No, if that's a Golden Silk Spider, it bites but isn't particularly dangerous. Seems quite docile, too.
- Chris Baskind
omg! this is sooo ugly!
- Dieter Schwarz
Hi I'm Alexandra from the picture,and Vera is missing!By the way my brother rocks!His pac-man hoodie is so intertaining.By the way, James caught Vera in my best friend's back yard because she is the biggest one he had seen.James wanted to get rid of Vera's mate at first,but my Mom disagread.
- alexandra baskind
Hi I am Jessica.Alexandra's best friend.You know Vera the spider, she was the biggest spider I have ever seen! P.S Vera is awsome!
- jessica
gah. it'll eat you!
- Anna Lynn M.
wow!!! love the pac-man hoodie, btw.
- Carmen - Happy 2010!
Hi, Alex! What a surprise to see you on Friendfeed. Your Daddy loves you. :-)
- Chris Baskind
Wow, this one came back up again. *watches everyone squirm*
- Andrew Trinh
Hey, found out that Vera wasn't missing.She's dead.She laid her eggs and died.Poor Vera.
- alexandra baskind
Btw,my brother has the pac-man hoodie and Vera is not venemous.And dad,i heart you too.
- alexandra baskind
Aww, sorry to hear about Vera. On the bright side, you may have hundreds of Veras next summer!
- jcunwired
I have pictures of the creepy egg sack. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
We need pics of the bazillion spiders that will come from it!
- jcunwired
eeeewwwwww!
- Danielle
Yay!The spirit of Vera lives on.
- alexandra baskind
The egg sack is going to hatch in 2 months now....it's kinda weird that Vera laid her eggs on my door....and kinda creepy....
- alexandra baskind
REALLY creepy
- Tamar Weinberg
its baaaack!
- jcunwired
My 10-year-old daughter is already queen of the FF bump. ;-)
- Chris Baskind
Queen of what?
- alexandra baskind
Gentlemen we must bump for great justice.
- INYOURBASE
One, the post is back,two,I moved and left Vera's egg sack,three,my old house is scheduled to be bull-dosered.
- alexandra baskind
Third of women happy to wear skimpy clothes to win bonuses and promotion | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail...
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"Women are prepared to dress provocatively in the office to help them climb the career ladder, it has emerged. More than 27 per cent admitted they would happily wear a slightly risky outfit to work in an attempt to get a bonus or promotion. One in twenty of those even owned up to doing this on a regular basis. The poll of 3,000 workers revealed that 78 per cent of women believe the way they dress affects their day at work. And over half (54 per cent) believe dressing up helped them perform better in the office."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
My friend owns a skydiving business, and he was telling me that for $20 off, women were going naked.
- Shevonne
$1 (men) :)
- Igor Poltavskiy
You mean a penny. Men, don't get the same breaks. hahaha
- Shevonne
Brings new meaning to the phrase "Corporate Whore"
- Christian (Simply X)
"she use what she got to get what she wants" - james brown, "hot pants"
- tiffany
Hmm.. tad bit disturbing.
- Sean
Hmm, makes biological sense. Boss = alpha male; attracting him is a just natural application of feminine charm ;)
- 9000
The rest were either lying or jealous? *ducks and runs*
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
The rest did not care about promotions so much ;)
- 9000
More incentive to be boss.
- Vijayendra (V-Mo) Mohanty
Now let's assume the boss is female; how many men would go to gym and / or wear an expensive elegant suit to appeal to her? :)
- 9000
You'd be surprised, 9. In the US the society is still somewhat patriarchal. Many men would feel resentment and seek other employment, or sabatoge the female boss' career in some way. I remember studying this very question in school. (2? years ago... gawd I'm old...)
- MVB (Curmudgeon of FF)
Conditional. I know many women (and men) who dress "alter-ego" style under certain conditions (e.g. Halloween...and certain parties...that I sometimes go to...)
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
They say dress for success, right?
- AJ Kohn
I'm not sure i oppose this. I'm sure women might but the way i see it, it's a control thing. Women have it so why not use it. It's not fair but life isn't. All people are judged based on looks. It's so base, it's hard to overcome. People don't look at others and think, oh they're really attractive or not, i need to be sure i treat them the same as everyone. Beauty can simply, subconsciously influence your perception of a person's work/capabilities. Everything can't be based on metrics.
- ·[▪_▪]·
From what I understand, men have been seducing and servicing each other in the corporate world for years to gain power. She shows a toned thigh, he flashes box seats to the Super Bowl and a blowjob in the limo. Equality if ever I've seen it.
- nakachi
Isla Fisher stars in sexiest photo shoot ever as she reveals wedding plans | Mail Online - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowb...
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"As busy working mother to 15-month-old daughter Olive, Isla Fisher doesn't often get a chance to show her sexy side. But in this stunning photoshoot for American magazine Allure, the pretty redhead shows off the svelte figure which attracted her fiance Sacha Baron Cohen. In the accompanying interview, the Australian actress reveals she is getting closer to marrying the Ali G and Borat comedian after converting to his religion Judaism two years ago."
- RAPatton
from Bookmarklet
i guess Conversion to Judaism has a new pin-up girl. (Until Michelle Jones finishes her conversion, of course. ;) )
- edythe
That's the sweetest thing anyone has said to me in ages. You are the greatest.
- Michelle Jones
LIKE for edythe's comment to MJ!
- JA Castillo
hee. sometimes i can be sweet. :)
- edythe
...and that's why we love ya the most! ;)
- JA Castillo
A "like" feature is coming to Facebook - a la Friendfeed. - http://www.allfacebook.com/2009...
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copying Friendfeed is a crime! this will be very interesting
- Susan Beebe
I want like buttons everywhere. Ravelry got me hooked with the interesting/educational/love/agree/disagree buttons, so between there and FF, I'm constantly looking for my buttons.
- Alix Whitmire
They can copy the features, but they can't copy the teams brains. I mean Zuckerberg.... Come on. He only gotten were he is now by luck. Facebook doesn't have the right DNA. If there's any talent there, they'll move to other companies. Keep in mind that FF is founded by ex-googlers. GOOG has same problem, albeit less so.
- Meryn Stol
Didn't they do this and then yank it? Now it's coming back? Facebook is just so dreary.
- AJ Kohn
Not sure it will have the same impact in that format as it has here.
- Martha
Can FF get a copyright/patent on 'Like' quick ???
- Charlie Anzman
Methinks Facebook has been copying FriendFeed for a while now.
- Tanath
+1 Tanath - true! FB's threaded comment system is similar to FF - sorta :)
- Susan Beebe
They didn't start adding the ability to import services either until FriendFeed started getting popular.
- Tanath
lame.
- karl dotter
Facebook is definitely starting to look alot like FriendFeed.
- Jaica Kinsman
Excited!! I got to see NY City for the first time in my life today!! (flying into Newark, NJ airport) I was *completely* stunned. It is NOTHING like LA. It is truly overwhelming, very impressive -- took my breath away. The Statute of Liberty is neat too! She's really green color from the air.
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Since I am staying here for 2 weeks, I am thinking of venturing into the City on the weekend and Monday 1/19, since I get that day off as a holiday!! (scared and yet totally curious!)
- Susan Beebe
Welcome to NY. New Yorkers only act like assholes, but trust me they really are not, and they don't bite.
- Mike Fruchter
Head to the Times Square area and enjoy the scenery. Goto china town for some delicious Chinese food. Head over to little Italy for dinner. Make sure you catch you a Broadway play as well.
- Mike Fruchter
You've never been to NYC but live in Rochester?!? I'm blown away! I absolutely love NYC.
- Moushumi Kabir
And to Harlem and the village for jazz, assuming you enjoy jazz. Broadway is the theater district.
- Moushumi Kabir
Little Italy and China Town are next to each other...another place to check out.
- Moushumi Kabir
Subway remains a nightmare, so, I'd stick to yellow cab...they are decent regardless of their rep.
- Moushumi Kabir
I was tempted to take a long layover in Newark just to go see NYC. Been to Tokyo and Singapore and really enjoyed wandering a bit in those cities. Detroit's close, but just doesn't have that appeal (maybe because it's one of the most dangerous cities in the nation - right up there with the city I live in).
- Kevin L
Kevin, did you like Singapore? I lived in the Midwest, Madison, and like you was not motivated to visit though I'd like to now. My dream is to go on a road trip. I've never been to one and I think it will be a lot of fun.....And, that's why I like FF...edit!
- Moushumi Kabir
We should meet!
- Steve Rubel
I had to spend a year in Newark one month.
- Mistletoe Glen
Glen, a year in one month? :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
Awww, Susan. You sound like me the first time I saw NYC (flew into LaGuardia). Have fun sightseeing. I still have never been there.
- Admiral Anika
What? You live upstate but never been to Manhattan? How far away is this... upstate place?
- Mona Nomura
I miss NYC!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I do too, Jeff. If not for the cold, I'd be so living there.
- Moushumi Kabir
I can taste Papaya King right now
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
I've never been to NY. You forgot to pick me up on your way there!
- imabonehead
NYC is like it's own country. So different
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Welcome to NYC Susan! Mm, I think the Statue's pretty green these days no matter which way you look at her from. =)
- ronin
it is beautiful, yes.
- edythe
Mona, it's about a 5 hour drive from Syracuse, so a little longer from Rochester I'd say
- Deepak Singh
Moushumi, yes, Singapore is a *fine* city (a little Singaporean humor there). I've been a few times, and it's a fascinating place. In Tokyo I only went to Akihabara (electronics district) during a 10-hour layover at Narita. So worth it for a geek like me. I was drooling over the assortment of gadgetry and components available.
- Kevin L
I lived in the city for a few years and in the NYC metro area for another 13 years so it's meh to me.
- Morton Fox
Syracuse... Syracuse... OH! They have the orange and green uniforms! Is that anywhwere near the buffalo wing city? (totally kidding - just in case) Susan - Manhattan is awesome. And please don't eat any dirty water dogs... Shake Shack or Crif Dog ftw!
- Mona Nomura
It's 1.5-2 hrs flight, Rochester - NYC.
- Moushumi Kabir
I'm getting the hang of it. Next time I'm at some place I should twitter/FF. :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
Mona - Crif Dog? Papaya King FTW!!
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
Papaya King? Gross!
- Mona Nomura
Kevin, glad you liked it. It's my country/city. Yes, Akihabara is the place to visit in Tokyo for a geek. :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
@Mona - haaha! it's total touristy, but i love that place
- Jeff (the マクダジ of FF)
One of the truly magical places in the world
- Duncan Riley
enjoy your stay Susan ... visit a firehall, coffee is always good
- johnpiercy
personally would skip chinatown and little italy. i'd get pizza. either that or a reservation at Per Se. but you don't have to kill anybody to get pizza.
- Karim
I got hungry and stepped out for dinner and this thread is AWESOME! Remember, I just moved to NY in 2000. I grew up in Huntington Beach, graduated from UCLA law school (also took C programming at CalPoly SLO), Cuesta, Alan Hancock and GoldenWest college...most of my life has been in CA. But I am super intrigued by NYC today... just wow! And Steve Rubel - yes, I'd love to meet you! you too Mona!!!!!! wooo hooo! You guys have Monday holiday off??
- Susan Beebe
lol, Karim. You wouldn't get shot in Little Italy, only a myth. China Town has best dim sum. But, I agree with pizza...by the slice.
- Moushumi Kabir
lol no i wasn't implying that Little Italy was dangerous -- rather that a reservation at Per Se was impossible to get, i.e. you have to kill someone who already has a reservation and take their place -- though, if I remember correctly, Mona has eaten there :-) there are great chinese places and great italian places everywhere... but you can only get real pizza in NY :-D
- Karim
ahhh. Best pizza is in Brooklyn side though. But, you are right gotta have pizza if you're in NYC for only a day. And a little jazz. :-)
- Moushumi Kabir
lol
- Cee Bee
If you want to visit Fast Company's offices on 29th floor of the new World Trade Center building email me at scobleizer@gmail.com -- stunning views of NYC and ground zero.
- Robert Scoble
There is simply nothing like NYC. Glad you finally got there Susan
- Charlie Anzman
I'm going to NYC for the 1st time this month. Besides taking Scoble up on his offer is there anything else that's a "must see"?
- Tac Anderson
Wow, Susan, glad you finally made it to the Big Apple! Don't forget Central Park or the Staten Island ferry (free) for the experience. I'm half a mile away from WTC so if you want to meet up, let me know.
- Sally Church
There is a breakfast meeting this Thursday in Midtown if anyone is interested: Social Media Breakfast NYC - Jan 15, 2009 8:30am -10:30am - http://bit.ly/38JarF
- Sally Church
My recommendation for pizza is Totonno's in Coney Island. "Only God makes better pizza" according to their web site, and that's not far off.
- Tom Harrison
It really is a completely different animal as far as cities go. Hope you enjoy your time!
- Martha
New York is such an amazing place. So happy that you are there experiencing it right now Susan. Someday I want to live there. It may be my favorite city in the world. Truly spectacular and larger than life. Here's my photoset "Reflections on Manhattan," lots of ideas for things to see: http://www.flickr.com/photos...
- Thomas Hawk
I love NYC!
- Nation Hahn
Welcome!
- bcultral
Thomas, reminds me of "Manhattan Reflections" by Ahmad Jamal :)
- directeur
I love New York.
- Meryn Stol
Here is a little Frank Sinatra, New York New York - http://www.last.fm/music...
- Moushumi Kabir
Robert - Hell ya! THANK YOU! I am touched by your generosity! thanks! I'd like to visit. This week is nutty, so next week, probably Wed afternoon or Thursday. I'll email you. I may drive over there on the weekend and 1/19 - holiday. Is FastCompay.TV open on 1/19? that would be perfect!~
- Susan Beebe
Sally -- Hell ya! I'd love to meet up with you in NYC! Anyone else wanna meetup?!
- Susan Beebe
There's nothing like NYC. Have a blast!
- Jeremy Brooks
Anyone know of a good Helicopter service? I want a tour of NYC by air.
- Susan Beebe
Welcome to NYC, Susan! Best city in the states. :) I think I went on this helicopter tour 4 or 5 years ago and it was pretty great (although, if you can swing it - make sure you're in the front passenger seat - that's got the best views. :) http://is.gd/fMpu
- felix
cool! I am excited about that too :)
- Susan Beebe
went in 2002 for the NYFD Memorial Service , was there for only a few days .. enjoyed what I saw .. need to see it again , especially Central Park
- johnpiercy
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