Happy Anniversary Anne - you are a saint, and the love of my life. Thank you for 31 great years, 4 exceptional children, and too many great memories to count. Here's best wishes to us for our next 31 years. Amazing how little we've aged from the photo :-)
- Jack Norris
from email
Happy anniversary Anne:) Best wishes to both of you and your husband:))
- Petek(UCB)_
Happy Anniversary!!! That photo is so so cute!!! I love it!!! Congratulations!
- Rachel Lea Fox
and just because I have to....nice tie dude...loving the rosey cheeks too.... how many shots of Jaeger went down the hatch before the shot was taken? but kidding aside, good job you guys. many more years of happiness and love for you both...and maybe even a couple of years of those things with each other....hee hee
- Morgan Haley
Morgan, it was a cravat! It could have been worse; remember, it was the '70s! As for the rosy cheeks, you'd have to ask Jack...
- Anne Bouey
Happy Anniversary! 31 years is something to be proud of :)
- joey
Happy Anniversary! Jack is hawt in that pic - reminds me of several heartthrobs of the era, but of course the only name that's coming to mind is John Davidson, and he's much better-looking than that.
- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
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I just REALLY hope that's not ordinary glass and is the shatterproof glass you see around Hockey rinks and on Basketball hoops. I could just see some unruly kid throw a big rock and shatter an entire panel all the way down. Then again, it's Apple so I'm sure they had that covered.
- Mike Stenger
"We're at a critical juncture in the evolution of software. The web is still here and it is still strong. Anyone can still put any information or applications on a web server without asking for permission, and anyone in the world can still access it just by typing a URL. I don't think I appreciated how important that is until recently. Nobody designs new systems like that anymore, or at least few of them succeed. What an incredible stroke of luck the web was, and what a shame it would be to let that freedom slip away. I do not wish to fight any mobile device makers who want to create a software ecosystem and act as the gatekeepers for that ecosystem. What I do want to fight for is the viability of the mobile web. Developers are rushing to create native apps, meanwhile letting their mobile web apps atrophy (I have certainly been guilty of that myself). Web technology is still relatively weak, and improving slowly. At this pace, what will the mobile web look like in 10 years? Will we...
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- Paul Buchheit
from Bookmarklet
But will Facebook stop working on iPhone apps just because of this? No. Neither will Google. Unfortunately, the big companies that have the clout to do something will not stand up for developer's rights, as long as the consumer insists on buying the iPhone and other such locked down devices.
- Piaw Na
In fairness to Google they are fighting for openness in the one conduit they control which is Android. Its asking a lot to expect them to completely boycott iPhone which would be their only other leverage with Apple.
- Ed Millard
Well, then I should expect Facebook to support Android, as well as all the other companies that have the resources to do so. :-)
- Piaw Na
Piaw, are you saying that facebook isn't supporting android? last i checked there was a facebook android app -- plus, this is just one guy's opinions, he does not speak for facebook (as far as i can tell)
- Chris Heath
Piaw, I'd imagine that Apple's non-approval of several Google apps has prompted Google to devote more resources to making superb Android apps (and yes, apps for the Pre and Blackberry) than iPhone. Where it really hurts is apps that have a hardware component. I don't know many/any developers willing to make consumer apps for the iPhone that require a hardware component because the rist...
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- Kevin Fox
I imagine Facebook is putting their resources in the ports their user base is demanding. The number of users they have on iPhone demands attention, and shorting it for reasons that are somewhat political probably isn't wise. With the growing popularity of Android it will probably warrant increased resources. Kind of sounds like Joe would rather make the web app work better and that would be more platform agnostic though its pretty hard to do a really exceptional mobile experience through a browser.
- Ed Millard
Is there a FB ad on Android? I switched from Android back to Blackberry earlier this year, but I definitely remember that there was no Android app before I switched.
- Piaw Na
I guess he's got his heart in the right place, but I can't get too worked up about this issue, not coming from the console game work, where all the platforms are locked down and always have been.
- Andrew C
from Android
Kevin, let's just be glad she is not taking pictures of you and posting them to FriendFeed. After all, that would only be fair after this.
- Louis Gray
"So far the elusive blogger, from the small rural town of Lagoa da Prata in Minas Gerais state, has posted the names of 300 supposed cuckolds on the popular social networking site Orkut...."The military police are advising people to stay calm," said Lieutenant Marcondes Couto, from Lagoa da Prata's police force. "We are investigating and we will catch this criminal. Justice will be done." Civil police in Lagoa da Prata, a former goldmining town located about 120 miles from the state capital, Belo Horizonte, said that they had questioned one suspect this week after he was caught on camera leaving a copy of "The List" in a local bank. A study in 2004 by a leading Brazilian psychiatrist claimed that Minas Gerais state had one of the country's highest rates of infidelity among women. Nearly 30% of the women interviewed admitted to having had an "extra" relationship."
- bob
from Bookmarklet
Why are the police hunting him? Do they think he broke laws in his efforts to find infidelity? That he's lying and is guilty of slander? Without one or the other I don't know that 'being a dick' is against the law.
- Kevin Fox
Well, to be fair, it *is* in Brazil. You don't know for sure what the law is there.
- Spidra Webster
I sure don't. I was going to say they're more open about sexuality, but then again that might result in more stringent protections around the revealing of infidelity.
- Kevin Fox
Actually, I just realized I was assuming you didn't know the law there. You could have, but it was a good guess you didn't. ;-) Neither do I.
- Spidra Webster
Yup. I was all "I could know the law there! You don't know! :-)
- Kevin Fox
I'm curious about the photo accompanying the post. This blogger must be spreading explosive rumors!
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
I'm sure there is someone you can leave it to...if no family, a good friend, or a charity (as mentioned above)
- Justin Korn
A charity? I never thought about that. I'd certainly do that. So many organizations that I find compelling and in need of some dough. BUT CAN YOU STOP REMINDING ME OF MY MORTALITY? DANG.
- Derrick
Um, I vote for just stayin healthy. Doesn't want to miss Derrick ----->
- SAM
Because the quality in a Les Paul that everyone hates is a lack of weight, right? Comes with a 6 inch wide strap and medicated back pain patch.
- surf guitar
That was odd, radio just stopped and the emergency broadcast system buzz came on, did its buzzes and went back to the radio. No "this is a test..." no instructions about what the emergency might be. Nothing! Just the buzz that I'm trained to listen closely to and then song. Song lyrics said "I'll stick around" maybe I'm supposed to stay put. ;)
I've never heard it that way before and I didn't like it. It's like: "come on, its either a test or its not! Let me know!"
- Rachel Lea Fox
Add to this that it was Sirius satellite radio, which means any EBS broadcast would be a nationwide emergency. Scary.
- Kevin Fox
Kevin: I think Sirius has to interrupt broadcasts for local emergencies as well. They probably can't target based on your current location, so they either target based on your billing zip code / permanent location written in your account, or they just broadcast all emergency alerts everywhere (which would be the path of least resistance and least lawsuits).
- Tudor Bosman
I think it would have to be the latter when you're using the satellite receiver. You're not receiving an individual stream. You're just picking up the broadband transmission.
- Kevin Fox
They have done it several times with the standard speech that mentions only New York. This makes sense since they are based there.
- CW™
Those come on automatically and is not controlled by the broadcaster. Sounds like they didn't havetheir "this is a test" setup right.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
Somehow it seems the iPhone will always win on hardware. You know, unless they make a Droid phone brown and able to squirt songs to other Droid phones.
- Alex Bourt
To be fair, the link under "irony" is to a tweet pointing out that Facebook is a walled garden, not a complaint about its review process.
- Joel Webber
My point is that his irony is based on the tweet's saying that Facebook is hypocritical, which is wrong on two counts: First, because comparing an arbitrary and obtuse app review process to a supposed walled garden (debatable in itself) is apples to oranges. A fairer comparison of Apple's and Facebook's app review processes supports Joe's point and diminishes Gruber's. Second, because...
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- Kevin Fox
Fair enough. I guess I was being generous in seeing potential irony, in the fact that both practices (Hewitt's responsibility or lack thereof notwithstanding) are unfortunate for developers and users alike. But I do agree that it's a bit of a stretch.
- Joel Webber
I hate the whole Facebook/Walled Garden myth. If you're going to start calling Facebook a walled garden it's time to start calling Twitter the same.
- Jesse Stay
Jesse, Twitter is about as open as it gets. Facebook, though taking baby steps, is still very closed and controlling from a user perspective. That said, yes the irony is misplaced, though Apple (largely due to its process) hasn't had the app problems that Facebook has (rampant privacy leaks, game ad scams, etc.)
- LogEx
LogEx have you compared Facebook's TOS to Twitter's? With Facebook my data goes with me when I leave - there's nothing alluding to that in Twitter's TOS.
- Jesse Stay
Open as it gets, LogEx? I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Try asking Twitter how you go about retrieving all public tweets...
- Ken Sheppardson
@Jesse: I'd hardly call the idea of Facebook-as-walled-garden a myth. The TOS, ostensibly for privacy reasons, make it nearly impossible to get your own data out in any kind of automated way, which makes it largely irrelevant to say you "own your data". If Twitter's TOS are controlling as well, then so be it -- I care less, because I don't really use it.
- Joel Webber
To me, a "walled garden" is something that rejects interoperating with the web. Neither twitter or facebook do that, but Apple does (and not just with the AppStore)
- Nick Lothian
Joel, my point is Facebook is just as open as Twitter, if not more.
- Jesse Stay
Twitter has some issues, to be sure (like forever locking up your user name, phone number, and/or email address when you delete). Not sure about the API, but I have all of my tweets in RSS. But it's a much simpler service... easy sign-up, tweets in, tweets out. I'd need a large separate post to itemize all of my walled-garden beefs with Facebook.
- LogEx
Ok, how about a roach motel then? Your data checks in, but it never checks out?
- Joel Webber
Joel, except that you can exterminate the roaches with Facebook (on your own profile). You can't with Twitter - they remain forever.
- Jesse Stay
Also, that all becomes an entirely different story when you talk about Facebook Connect, in which the data starts with you and stays with you
- Jesse Stay
With Facebook Connect doesn't the data still reside on Facebook's servers? Can I visit a page on FB which will export all of my personal information in some format (CSV, FOAF/XFN, etc?) Otherwise, it's still a roach motel.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray, Facebook supports the activitystrea.ms standard - is that what you're talking about? With Facebook Connect only the data you put into it goes onto Facebook's servers, and if any of your users delete their Facebook account their data is removed (minus anything that has already populated on a friend's profile), according to the Facebook TOS. Also, Apps can't store data about users for more than 24 hours, but that doesn't stop an app from enabling a user to export their own data.
- Jesse Stay
Also see Digg's implementation of Facebook Connect - every Facebook friend that logs in through Facebook on Digg automatically gets added as a friend on Digg - full export of Social Graph data.
- Jesse Stay
That FOAF tool doesn't seem to work and I wonder if it can produce email addresses (or atleast proxied addresses) I don't consider the data liberated unless I could use it to mirror my whole social graph onto a competing product, the way Facebook is harvesting Orkut customers through the Orkut Export Tool.
- Ray Cromwell
Ray, I don't know of anything stopping Twitter or MySpace or Orkut from leveraging Facebook Connect to import friends that log in through Facebook on those sites.. I may be wrong though and maybe they've tried and have been blocked. I just haven't heard of it. Have you heard to the contrary? The technology's there if those sites want to try and use it.
- Jesse Stay
Ray, FriendFeed even did that before they were bought by Facebook.
- Jesse Stay
Nick, that's because Plaxo wasn't using the Facebook Platform to do that. They were scraping the site. Twitter will blacklist you too if you do that.
- Jesse Stay
It should be noted that McCrea and Smarr of Plaxo are also now working with Facebook on the Activity Streams standard.
- Jesse Stay
Ray, it's also important to note that 'your whole social graph' isn't actually yours. Your friends? Sure. Their friends? It depends on what they choose to reveal. Privacy is pretty important and just because you friend someone and they accept your friendship doesn't mean you automatically get to see all their friends if they choose to keep that private.
- Kevin Fox
@Jesse - yeah, but you can't just extract "your" data using the platform. You are only allowed to store it for 24 hours. As Kevin alluded, there are good reasons why "your" data isn't really yours, but anyway - it's misleading to say FB provides a way to export it. To quote "You must not store or cache any data you receive from us for more than 24 hours unless doing so is permitted by the offline exception, or that data is explicitly designated as Storable Data." http://developers.facebook.com/policy...
- Nick Lothian
Nick, also keep in mind that "You must not store or cache any data you receive from us for more than 24 hours unless doing so is permitted by the offline exception, or that data is explicitly designated as Storable Data." is for developers. That wording is not targeted towards users. I respect that - I don't want any 3rd-party developer holding my data indefinitely either.
- Jesse Stay
You don't want a 3rd-party developer to be able to be able to get data from Facebook (the messages you've sent, for example) and do something with it on your behalf? How is that different from giving said developer access to your mailbox via imap? We do that every day with mail readers. It seems to me that it's not really "my" data unless I can use tools to access it. Am I missing something here, or are all of my messages, status updates, comments, photos, and so forth inaccessible to automated tools?
- Joel Webber
@Joel - was that to me? I think that data should be accessible. But I think there are are some pretty good reasons why your social graph - especially the details of your contacts - shouldn't be ported from one website/application to another. http://nicklothian.com/blog...
- Nick Lothian
I think you could make an argument for the case of accessing friend-of-friend information, but for contact information (direct child nodes of my graph node), I don't see how this case differs from the traditional address book or rolodex app. I can port contacts between email clients already, share them via Bluetooth profiles, vCard, syncML, etc. If you don't want private contact details...
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- Ray Cromwell
@Nick: Sorry I wasn't being clear. I was really referring to Jesse's assertion that he doesn't want 3rd-party developers to have access to his data. And I agree that FOAF contact info should be kept private (isn't it already?) for the reasons you mention. I just want to be able to have automated access to the data I enter or upload, and to messages, comments, and such directed by...
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- Joel Webber
Joel, my thoughts exactly. What we have with social graphs today is a step back from what you had with ACAP/IMAP/LDAP/vCard/SyncML/etc. The original IETF protocols were designed with both federation/distributivity/client-independence and security in mind (after all, corporations often run servers supporting these protocols). We have lost this on today's web, see my screed:...
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- Ray Cromwell
I Love You Uncle Rick!!! You are a true hero!!! You gave up so much for the country you loved and lost so much of your life to agent orange, even after you had returned home. Thank you for being you!! You were such an amazing man!!!! Happy Veterans Day Everyone! Please remember someone special!
Kevin, he would have liked you. He was fun and goofy and he dotted on his "kids" since he couldn't have any of his own. He just wanted to fill his life with anything fun that he could.
- Rachel Lea Fox
What was his story, if you don't mind sharing?
- Jim Norris
Jim, I don't know a lot of the war part of the story as I was young during that and always felt odd bringing up sad stuff as he tried so hard to be happy. I know he was in the Vietnam war and during combat was exposed to Agent Orange. It didn't kill him but it got strongly in his system. I think he was discharged because of this but again I am not sure. I should really ask my Dad more...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
He was married to a woman named Jeanie. I remember her distinctly because she could talk like Donald Duck. I believe they were sweethearts before the war and married soon after he came home. They didn't understand yet about the effects of agent orange and he wasn't having symptoms right away, but they found out after a while. My uncle Rick loved children as did Aunt Jeanie. But agent...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
He still seemed mostly healthy for many years, though I know he had to visit the veterans hospital on a regular basis. He never remarried or seemed to have a close relationship. I think he was afraid that he again wouldn't be able to give someone what they needed. Jeanie did and had 2 kids, I know he visited once or twice but it was hard on him and her. He had several nieces and nephews...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
He lived in Georgia while I lived outside Rochester NY so I didn't get to see him often, but he very frequently was visiting us and family, so I saw him 2 or 3 times a year. But as time went on he was slowing down. My parents didn't mention it much but I heard them talking more about the veterans hospital and I know he was going a lot more. I remember him not looking as well during his...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
Unlike someone who has sclerosis of the liver caused my drinking (my uncle didn't drink) he had no chance. My Grandfather also died of sclerosis of the liver. At one point they repaired his liver and gave him a few more years, but he had to stop drinking or it wouldn't matter. My grandfather who owned a bar and knew no other way of life couldn't do it. My uncle Rick didn't have this...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
Facts about soldiers in the Vietnam war: More than 3 million Americans served in Vietnam. By war's end, 58,193 soldiers were killed, more than 150,000 were wounded, and at least 21,000 were permanently disabled.[191] Approximately 830,000 Vietnam veterans suffered symptoms of posttraumatic stress disorder.
- Rachel Lea Fox
The thing I could never wrap my head around, I asked my dad about it when Uncle Rick died and I still to this day am amazed by it. My uncle Rick didn't have a bitter bone in his body. I just couldn't understand why he wasn't more mad about everything. I know he must have had some way that he dealt with all of this, but even to his closest friends he said that he had a short time of...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
Rachel, thanks so much for sharing his tragic story.
- Stephen Mack
Rachel, what a wonderful person to have had in your life.
- Anne Bouey
Anne, I am very lucky to have had him in my life. And I strongly believe that we all need to educate ourselves more about the Vietnam war and all of our wars (myself included - I'm not always as good at this as I should be). Brushing it under the rug doesn't help us learn from our accomplishments or mistakes. And while I may not support a particular war, I will always support every soldier and be grateful for the sacrifices that they make for us all.
- Rachel Lea Fox
Thank you for his story, Rachel. Keep his spirit alive forever. XOXOX
- rowlikeagirl
Rachel, I visited Vietnam in 2006 and had the most amazing and surreal experiences there. I met many wonderful south Vietnamese who were very grateful for US help during the war and who still have a very strong feeling against the communist government. I even met one man who trained with the USAF here at Travis and who tried to escape three times but was captured and jailed for many...
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- Anne Bouey
Sounds like an amazing trip. I have seen some of the most beautiful photos of South Vietnam. I didn't live it so I can't say much to cause, but at least from my prospective in the Vietnam war, my problems aren't an issue of there not being a need to go in (I know some had issue with that) my problems have more to do with tactics used in North Vietnam and also the government and public...
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- Rachel Lea Fox
It was amazing; I would highly recommend it!
- Anne Bouey
I bet that one day, Standard American English will feature a single word for the second person possessive and the second person pronoun elided into the second person form of the present tense of "to be", since they're pronounced the same, anyway. After all, we don't have separate forms for the second person plural anymore, either.
The fading away of a declension is different than confusing a possessive with a verb conjugation. Given how weak dictionaries are being, there may be a day when someone lists the mistake as okay, but I don't think they'll ever morph into one thing because they're just too different in meaning.
- Spidra Webster
I love it when you talk standard to me :P
- Micah Wittman
The second person plural has always been 'you'. It's the second person singular 'thee' that has been marginalized. Thou could(st) bring it back, thou know(st).
- Kevin Fox
OK, so it would be more precise to say that we don't have separate forms for the second person singular pronoun anymore. But you bring up yet another point: we don't have separate forms for nominative and accusative cases of the second person pronoun anymore, either.
- Victor Ganata
Although I'm starting to think y'all may eventually become the official second person plural pronoun.
- Victor Ganata
And the practice of entering text using a numeric keypad as well as artificial character limits in popular communication media will eventually kill the apostrophe.
- Victor Ganata
Yahoo's "You" campaign is maddeningly vague. Maybe that works for a company without any real competitors, or with crazy buzz, but for Yahoo it's an epic waste of marketing dollars IMO.
Don't people test these things? Maybe we're just not the target audience. Maybe the goal is just to increase brand recall and warm fuzzies. (I admit, I have the same reaction.)
- ⓞnor
Also not helping : Yahoo advertises it's behind the free wifi in Times Square. That would be great, except I cannot get it to work on either laptop or phone. The best I can do is connect to the wifi access point; not to the internet. And there's no hotspot web page either.
- Andrew C
"Y!ou were named Time's Person of the Year, so we decided to let Y!ou run the company! Only not really, but Y!ou won't notice. Now finish Y!our Big Gulp."
- Kevin Fox
@nor, big brands can stumble... see New Coke or more recently the Tropicana debacle.
- Andrew C
from Android
Both of whom took steps to cry mea culpa. Coke introduced Coke Classic and Tropicana reverted their packaging.
- Kevin Fox
I don't think Yahoo's stumble is quite so massive. They won't have to apologize for it, but I think it won't generate a lot of business... in a few months, then, I'd expect them to find a new direction and drop this campaign. (Whereas successful campaigns can go on for years)
- Andrew C
from Android
I agree Andrew. Unlike Coke and Tropicana, Yahoo's branding campaign is not a mandatory gateway along the user's path to purchasing the product. Their brand campaign may or may not be effective in attracting new users, but it's less likely to dissuade current users (even Thomas Hawk, who will continue to use Yahoo! no matter how much he hates them. ;-)
- Kevin Fox
None of my business poll: Did you have a *real job before you were 18? What was it? Did you like it? Did you get paid more than minimum wage? *meaning you had to report income tax (or, rather, your parents did).
No. Babysitting and berry picking were my income sources. Well, wait, I may have started my PT receptionist job a the Real Estate office before I turned 18. Soooooo long ago...
- vicster
I had a job programming a database in dBaseIV the summer of my junior year in high school. I got paid like $0.25/hr more than minimum wage. It was a good experience because it was my first real programming job and basically set the tone for the rest of my career. I was invited to come back the next summer and redo everything I'd done in FoxPro 3.5 for Windows (and got an extra $1/hr).
- Her Lindsay-ness
Yes. I started working a month after my 16th birthday. I worked at a daycare center, which was good because I got to have my sister with me there; otherwise I wouldn't have been able to get a job. I only made minimum wage, which at the atime was $3.25 I think? Hard to remember.
- pea ♥ fierce as a woozle
Yes, no, yes, until minimum wage was raised (so not much more than minimum).
- Alix Whitmire
No. My first real job was after my senior year in high school working in the textbook warehouse for the Board of Education
- Alan Simpson
I worked for the Arlington County Public Library for a period while I was in high school, but I don't think the income was significant enough to be reportable by anyone.
- John E. Bredehoft
Yes...several...they were ok...Paper boy, bicycle mechanic, fast food worker, network wiring guy, Air Force grunt...Yes, I got paid more than minimum wage and had to do tax returns.
- Alex Scoble
Burger Flipper at Hardee's, making $0.05 over the minimum. Good times.
- The Letter M
If you can call Gamestop a real job. I got it when I was 17. I did like it in the beginning but after about a year got tired of it because of the pay and lack of hours, so then I went to Best Buy. Made minimum in the beginning ($5.15 at the time) and got a $0.10 raise after the first of the year. I still filed taxes however and got back a nice amount of money.
- Mathew™ one of a kind
If you call library page (person who puts away books) a real job, I think I did that when I was 16 or 17. I think I got paid minimum wage (can't fully remember). I don't remember filing taxes.
- Kamilah Gill
Yes. At 12 I cleaned the churches windows and helped with janitorial duties. This was a real job as I has to file a tax return and got a little over minimum wage. At 15 I was hired by the school district to help with the computers on campus then also hired to work in the schools theatre where my brother and I ran it for the years we over laped. I continued in the school district after...
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- CW™
I made a little over minimum wage for a couple of years working for the NJ State DMV. I worked part time after school Mon-Fri during my freshman and sophomore years of HS. I kinda remember filling out the EZ form... I think. I did not like the job but the people I worked with were okay.
- Jim Hearts FF
Yes, I worked for a summer at Knott's Berry Farm. I served food at one of the little eateries inside the park in Ghost Town. It was minimum wage and fun then but as an adult now, looking back, there were some MAJOR issues ranging from inappropriate male conduct (getting girls into the freezer to kiss them, smacking them on the asses) to theft and an overall lack of care for the employees. We were kids being managed by kids.
- Katie: Witch Of The West
Waffle House, I did earn more than minimum wage with tips and yes, I filed taxes.
- Heather Solos
I worked, but nothing that would have supported me as an independent entity. And part of that is because when you're that age people refuse to pay you the same for a job that they would pay an adult to do it.
- Spidra Webster
I've had real jobs since I was 14, complete with paycheck. First one was at local drycleaners. McDonalds, assistant to a ferrier and a couple of modeling gigs all before I was 18. I loved them all, it taught me independence and discipline.
- jcunwired
Would love to hear more about the ferrier's asst job!
- Spidra Webster
Hah! Spelling booboo, that should have been "farrier". The job rocked. Not only did we trim and shoe horses' hooves, but provided all sorts of veterinary services to local farmers. My boss and his brother, two beer-swilling ex-rodeo stars, were great.
- jcunwired
I worked a commission sales job from 16-18. I got paid $11.75 and a % of my sales. I'm also pretty sure the company violated some teen labor laws in terms of hours per day/hours per week...but I didn't complain because it was a lot of $.
- Alexis Hope
Barely, only by a month. Desk staff at the dorm I was in. Minimum and had to file taxes.
- Amber, Random Time Lord
Yep. I started working at 14 as a cashier at a hamburger stand in Yosemite. At the time, California had some sort of modified work permit for 14 year olds. The grill was off-limits! Minimum wage then and the same for the next three jobs up until I was 17. Then I started working for salary plus commission in a telemarketing job selling gift baskets for The House of Almonds.
- Christopher Harley
Twelve, paper route. I lasted a week. After that, 17 and working at Shell Oil's geology offices, looking for oil. Other than meeting a very pretty girl who put up with my epic swooning around her, did not like. I made one dollar above minimum wage in that job.
- Steven Perez
I had an agricultural job when I was very young (picking strawberries), and a paper route after that. When I turned 16 I started working full time.
- Sparky, a big deal
I worked part-time in the computer center at a local bank when I was 16. I worked there for two years, then I worked at another bank computer center through college. I also worked part-time in an on-campus computer lab while I was in college.
- Ha3rvey (not Akiva)
My first job was working as a security guard during public skating at the local rink. it did not pay more than minimum wage.
- Nathalie, Dreamer of FF
Age 8-16: My sister and I were members of the Screen Extras Guild. Once every couple months we'd get a phone call from our agent and spend one or two days on the set of a TV show or movie, complete with a studio teacher to make sure we did busywork in the classroom trailer. They paid the same for kids and adults, which meant about $120 a day! Our credits include 'Scarecrow & Mrs. King', 'Emerald Point N.A.S.', 'The Bad Seed (TV)', 'Explorers' and 'Airwolf'.
- Kevin Fox
Camp counselor between high school and college. I turned 18 at the end of the summer. I made enough to buy a pair of dressy shoes, some clothes, and a purse, I think. (ETA: my Social Security report says I made $177 for 3 months' work, but then it was 1963).
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I worked at Discovery Zone (a giant kids playground) and an optometric group while under 18. I liked both of them but the optometric group much more (stayed there for 11 years). The job at DZ I was paid $0.25 more than minimum wage and the optometric group started at $0.50 more than minimum wage
- Tamara
I worked as a groom / stablehand at a thoroughbred farm every summer and every weekend from my sophomore through senior year in high-school. I was paid more than minimum wage, but not sure how much more. It was a good job that kept me active, fit and better paid than most of the kids I went to school with. However, it was outdoors (Florida summers are killer) and I definitely did not smell the best afterwards. Kept me humble though...
- JA Castillo
I worked as a dish hand at a French restaurant and a Shell service station
- Johnny Worthington
Nope. My mom forbade me having a full time job in High School so I could focus on studies. The summer after HS I got a crappy part-time office assistant job, which I hated.
- veo
I worked as a page at the local library throughout high school. It was a great job. I think I got a bit more than minimum wage but the hours were flexible, the work was easy, and the people were really nice. Plus I got to check anything out I wanted for pretty much as long as I wanted. Most days I would finish all the work and just sit around and read
- Benjamin Golub
worked at the Beach House down in Mattituck the summer of 66 I will never forget it best summer of my life
- VAL D.
When I 16, a week after finishing my GCSEs, I did a week of work for the guy my brother worked for. When I mentioned money, he said: "Don't worry, I'll see you right." At the end of the week he paid me £50 for 40 hours work. I didn't work for him again!
- Timothy Griffin
I had my first job when I was 14, grounds keeping and maintenance during the summer at a vocational high school. It was on the books, minimum wage, transportation provided. Got the job through CETA. Didn't have to pay taxes because we were low income. (one of the qualifications to get the job) Half the kids that were working there were unpaid, juvenile delinquents, doing community service.
- April Russo (app103)
I started work at a rollerskating rink on my 15th birthday. I was a Centre Assistant. Taking money at the door, handing out and putting away skates, working the snack bar, teaching, hosting birthday parties, cleaning, making people stop making out (bwahahahaha!), etc etc. We don't have minimum wage here, we have award wages, and if you're under 18 you don't have to fill in a tax return unless you earn over $6000 in the financial year.
- Mellissa Jane
Starting at 16 I had a summer jobs with Green Giant driving tractors as part of a pea-harvesting crew. I didn't eat peas for *years* after that. The pay was well over minimum wage, pretty decent for a summer job.
- Fred Yankowski
Do you mean a full time job? Because I got my part time job at oles when I was 15-and-a-half and filled in my first ever tax return this July and got a $51 refund.
- Bryce, Low in Sodium
I worked for my parents starting when I was about 12 or 13 (they had a print shop). Then, I started working as a security guard at the Nissan Pavilion (a local amphitheatre) when it opened. I think I was 15 at the time. I also worked full-time the summer before I graduated high school (I was 16 at the time) and part-time during school. I continued at that job off and on for about 12 years.
- Curtiss Grymala
Weekend engineer at a Long Island, NY radio station. Cool 1st job (17). Automation system was a huge wall of reel-to-reel tape machines. Old? Me? Naaah.
- Charlie Anzman
Nope, got first job at 18, outbound call calls for surveys, and warm calls for taste tests (@$50/pop!!)
- Tsali, The Native of FF
At 17 I worked in the kitchen at a mid-range priced restaurant, where I was a forno chef ~ we cooked pizzas, amongst other things) in a wood burning oven/kiln thing.
- sofarsoShawn
I picked raspberries for my aunt during the summer at 10. Then for my dad in the strawberry fields during the summers 11-13. Then everyday doing computer stuff until 16. Then data entry until I graduated.
- Rodfather
from Android
Sometimes I feel I should have been a farmer. My cousin took over
- Rodfather
from Android
I bagged groceries every weekend starting at 12 for a year. It was for tips.
- Eric @ CS Techcast
from iPhone
I started a programming business doing reporting for medical offices. That was when I was 17. Before that, I worked minimum wage jobs (Howard's Grocery Store and Wendy's).
- Jason Huebel
Yep. Started working at age 12. Had a W-2 ever since.
- SAM
I was working weekends at a gas station/discount store (it was the 70's, when we actually PUMPED the gas and washed your windows!) During the week I did a work study job at college 40 miles away... the good news was that I got to study at a dormitory reception desk, and after 2 AM I could sleep in the lobby in a sleeping bag and let the female residents into the dorm when they rang a...
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- Mark Jepsen
The summer I was 16 I played the bagpipes at Edinburgh Castle in the Edinburgh Military Tattoo and was paid a musician's honourarium (plus room, board and transport). The following summer, I taught bagpipes at an Army Camp for pretty good cash (again, with room and board). yes, it was more than minimum wage and, yes, my parents claimed my income. :)
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I've been working since I was like 14. I had to get a permit. I began at Wendy's literally flipping burgers. Min wage was like 4.75 or so and that's what I was making.
- Rahsheen ™, Coach of FF
oh, hell... forgot about my 5-month stint at Mother's Pizzeria and 4-month stint at Burger King... lol
- T. Brent, technopeasant
I worked at a computer repair / sales shop for a summer when I was 16. I worked 40 hours per week and I made 11% more than minimum wage. I liked it pretty well - it was neat being fairly good at a job I had no formal training for.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
I was an estimator at a paving company. I took blueprints of a job site, traced contour lines into a computer, then calculated the volume of different materials we would need to do the job. Paid $9.25 an hour, in 1999. Had my own office, a computer, and a plotter (a printer big enough to print blueprints). It was awesome.
- Alex Scrivener
Before 18 I worked as a grocery store cashier, a receptionist at a tax prep office, and a retail sales clerk at The Children's Place. Edit: all of these at or near minimum wage.
- Ladybug Heather
Yes. I worked in retail for a while. There was no minimum wage then.
- Ian May
I fried chicken in a grocery store for a while and worked as a hotel housekeeper during the summer.
- tab thinks you're awesome
Yep, I was a waitress from ages 16-18 (Bob's Big Boy - yikes) and I worked the third shift in a factory one summer. I did file taxes, but I'm not sure how much of my tips I reported. :)
- Cassandra
Nope, first job I had was after leaving college - games tester - and I've gone all the way back to the start after 15 years. :-)
- Kol Tregaskes
Yup, had several real jobs before I turned 18, the most notable being a cashier at Burger King (min wage $4.25) when I was 16 and then manager of a hot dog ($6.00/hr) stand when I was 17. All of my jobs required income tax reporting; I loved filing my taxes, BTW. Not sure why, but ever since that first 1040EZ at 14, I was hooked. :)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
First job of any kind was a paper route at the age of 13. I soon quit that, because I've always hated early mornings, and I got a job after school at a greengrocers. I had a bike with a big basket on to ride around the neighborhood delivering the orders. I always earned my tips that wages. Never had to file taxes in England with only one job in any case, but that was cash in hand anyways, NO minimum wage then, and doesn't apply to under sixteens even now as far as I am aware.
- Ian May
0.75 (926/1226) - still relatively new here
- mikepk
I only see my stats for the last week (17/14 = 1.21) Please tell me your 670 number is for more than just a week!
- Brian Johns
1.44 (566/391) for brianjohns (after week tally you should see a comma then 'all time' count - I can see it on your page)
- Micah Wittman
OK, sorry. I'm a total dumbass. I stopped reading after the weekly totals...
- Brian Johns
3.74, which seems way off of everybody else's. I wonder what that says. I comment a lot more than I like.
- Cyrus Lendvay
FFers use FF with their own strategy or simply default tendencies. The ratio is an interesting snapshot of behaviour. Thanks for joining in everyone, hope more keep flowing in.
- Micah Wittman
from twhirl
0.66 - I tend to 'like' things without needing to comment further, I guess, and I notice I usually like the things upon which I comment. Well, frequently.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
.39 (2457/6242) I guess I don't comment much. I do 'like' a lot of things, it would seem.
- Bren, Photophobe
0.62 then again i have over 11,000 comments
- Cee Bee
1.23 (5287/4229) - I am put to shame by Cee Bee's participation, good grief!
- Her Lindsay-ness
So far: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81 ... (if you average 1 comment per like, you'd be 1.0 ... if you're 0.xx you might herd content more than discuss ... if you're whole numbers above 1 you may not 'like' much or discuss plenty or both)
- Micah Wittman
InPerpetualMotion(Gina k), I really liked this 'Like' of yours (in a series of pics, so I flickr fav'd it): http://friendfeed.com/e... and commented. Thanks!
- Micah Wittman
.68 6986/10194 Someone wrote a great article on the comment-like ratio a few months ago. Search on FriendFeed is crashing on me... I'll try to get the link.
- Mitchell Tsai
Thanks Mitchell (btw, search crashing on me too - lots)
- Micah Wittman
1316 comments/20221 likes (0.06), according to Windows Calculator, although I probably screwed up.
- Tyson Key
A recent change in FF: now the comment count shows total number of comments (previously multiple comments in one thread only counted as one) http://friendfeed.com/e... so all the numbers above are from the old methodology....
- David HC Soul
My new ratio: 0.76 all time (old methodology .52).... this week 1.39
- David HC Soul
Looks like my ratio as flipped again (comments back to dominating again). Seems to match my own awareness I've lately been commenting without Liking (commenting is my inherent recognition of value to me and the additional Like is when it merits an extra bump to help discovery by others).
- Micah Wittman
Darn - 0.52. I guess I need to say why I like something a little more often :-) Liking this thread because I was wondering the same thing recently. Has anybody worked out the average from the numbers here? </islazy>
- Andy Bold
Andy, scroll upward and you'll see a couple calculations from before (January: Average: 1.27 | Median: 0.81)
- Micah Wittman
Rick, you mean that face with glasses I photoshopped tint into with an apparently disembodied arm which is actually very much attached to my eldest son? It's mostly just me :)
- Micah Wittman
Thanks, Michael. Yes, you have a rising tide of comment percentage (oh, wow, you were one of the originals from January - cool!)
- Micah Wittman
Yeah, that's a decent upward rise in comments, Nicholas.
- Micah Wittman
.6 (6,000/10,000) 3rd update - Now it's time to flip this on its head. My goal is to have (16,000/16,000) next time I post here. Regardless of what happens, I'm just looking forward to the next 10,000 comments, likes, posts, and new relationships I make here. It's all good!
- Michael Fidler
1.76 (7539/4290) My commenting habits haven't chanced much, but it felt like I clicked Like a lot less, and this ratio confirms that for me.
- Micah Wittman
.82 as of right now. edit: on January 8th it was 0.39 -- when I saw that, I decided to make more of an effort to comment. When I hit 10k "likes" I decided I wouldn't "like" anything else until I also had 10k comments.
- Bren, Photophobe
Jimminy, I'm copyrighting every single number. It's kind of a honeypot ;) Actually, it was curiosity mostly, but I also hope to build a sampling (small and self-selecting as it may be) for anyone who might want to analyze it.
- Micah Wittman
Wow I didn't realize I was so out of whack!! 12.23 that's got to be a record (and I don't even import my feeds with the summary as a comment)!!
- Chris Myles
Thanks JA, Chris (wow, 12+ is unusual :), Serkan and Nine!
- Micah Wittman
0.89 (17818/19913) (Somebody better make a cool ass graph of all this data!)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Micah.. I told you I take my likes seriously; ). You *might* want to ask (in a separate post) what percentage of likes were used to "bookmark" a post or save it for later VS actually "liking it". I NEVER used like for that.. but I did use a private group that if filled with my own topics (and comments)..
- Chris Myles
OK, so statistically, what ratio results in better interaction on FF?
- Jason Huebel
I don't think I could argue that any particular kind of ratio is "best", because if Lurkers like to Lurk and cultivate (via Likes) and the Chatty-ites love to chat, to pump out much many more comments than Likes, each can be happy and make for a great social experience.
- Micah Wittman
So I'm fairly balanced, it appears. I would imagine it's because I try to comment on every post I like. That's not always true, obviously. But mostly it is.
- Jason Huebel
Just clicking "Like" seems too easy. I feel like I should say something, too.
- Jason Huebel
wow, what a difference time makes, when i 1st posted on this thread, 6.43%, now = 1.25%, for a 5.18% difference, :o (and this is the earliest post to date i've recovered of my activity on ff)
- chaz2b
chaz, I think there's been a big fluctuation for most people (maybe not that much). This is the oldest post on which you commented that you've recovered?
- Micah Wittman
that was my third post... It's interesting to see how the number has changed. of course, I manipulated the number to a degree, because I stopped "liking" things for a while...
- Bren, Photophobe
Bren, the other thing that can seriously throw off someone's stats is a feed that upon each item it imports adds a comment automatically.
- Micah Wittman
true. that can seriously inflate comment stats, of course. Then you have someone like RAPatton, who posts a gazillion comments, in part because of his playlist posts where he will list each song in a separate comment. I found, after this post in fact, that I tended to "like" things much more frequently than comment on them, that I was lurking instead of participating. I have changed the way I use ff rather considerably, and I think for the better.
- Bren, Photophobe
Thanks Paola, Michael, Artemko, J. and Daniel!
- Micah Wittman
1.09 (9990/9105) From and including: Saturday, April 26, 2008 To and including: Thursday, November 12, 2009 It is 566 days from the start date to the end date, end date included Or 1 year, 6 months, 18 days including the end date to reach 10,000 comments.
- Christopher Harley
I can't imagine a review of WolframAlpha's iPhone app that doesn't even mention that it costs $49.99. that's pretty unusual for an iPhone app. Especially one that just replicates a web site.
- Kevin Fox
I loved the first season of Sarah Conner but they totally lost me by season two. Stories completely dependent on time travel are doomed because absolutely everything can be undone, repeatedly.
- Ed Millard
Fact is, Dollhouse ratings were awful. I can't blame Fox for canceling.
- Stephen Mack
I could take the best show in the world and mismanage it in to bad ratings. Glee isn't actually a very good show, but the Fox Marketing Machine has blessed it and they can make people think the show is a phenomenon that you need to follow unless you want to be a social outcast.
- Kevin Fox
I honestly haven't even seen the show yet, but after what happened with Firefly, this isn't terribly surprising. Either Fox can't manage these shows, or the audience is just too stupid to appreciate them.
- Joel Webber
Fox would rather show something like "So you think you're a fly fisherman!" than any show that takes thought.
- Kevin Pedraja
Kevin, it's true. With Firefly there were countless examples of mismanagement -- wrong order, terrible promotions, pre-emptions due to sports. With Dollhouse, the main bad treatment was putting it on Fridays (a sign from the beginning they had no confidence) and lack of promotion. But once the show airs and it gets low ratings, they can't really suddenly move it to a plum spot or pile on the promotions, because there's no evidence the show would do better.
- Stephen Mack
We need to make a pact, all of us agree we make sure that Jandy never finds out about this. We'll just hide it. We'll produce and act out episodes and let her think the show is still going.
- Matthew DeVries
Matthew: Ooh! Can I be a vacuous doll in the background known as Foxtrot who gets no lines?
- Stephen Mack
Not sure if is was the fault of Joss or Fox but the early episodes were so bad I imagine they lost most of their audience from the get go and most probably never checked back.
- Ed Millard
I can't say I'm surprised. Fox always has a way of cancelling the shows it should keep around though.
- veo
:( Took longer than I feared, but I'm not surprised, it was on Fox after all.
- Grant Bierman
Update: Joss Whedon posted this comment over at Whedonesque (thanks for the heads up, Bonnie!): mm. Apparently my news is not news. I don't have a lot to say. I'm extremely proud of the people I've worked with: my star, my staff, my cast, my crew. I feel the show is getting better pretty much every week, and I think you'll agree in the coming months. I'm grateful that we got to put it...
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- Matthew DeVries
Don't hate me, but I didn't think much of Dollhouse. I'm a big fat Whedon fan, but Dollhouse didn't hold a candle to Firefly or Buffy. I thought the writing was weak, and the character development was weaker. *braces for the unfollows*
- Sarah is Novembery
I don't think Dollhouse was his best work. But the show was getting better over time. And it was surely better than a good portion of the dreck that passes for prime-time TV these days.
- Kevin Pedraja
Matthew, lol. Too late. The show's been on borrowed time all season, though, honestly. The thing that got me was the show actually did fairly well taking DVR and hulu viewings into account. The nets don't want to count those, though, because they can't sell those numbers to prime-time advertisers. Ed, the first episodes being bad were Fox's fault. They asked him to recut the pilot and...
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- Jandy, ConcertMaven of FF
Kevin, Joss likes Glee and I don't think he would if it weren't very good. It's not amazingly kickass, but it's definitely very good. Still, you are correct that if Fox had put the kind of blitz behind Dollhouse that Glee got, it would have more viewers. However, due to Fox's inability to let Whedon be Whedon, the show people would have seen if Dollhouse had had huge advance promo would...
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- Spidra Webster
Sucks. 2x04 was particularly strong...looking forward to the rest of the season. Also, props to Kevin for the quote in the post, love it.
- Louis Simoneau