So today, my mom and I went to the local dollar store and bought a crapload of school supplies, which we are boxing up and sending to an inner city first grade class. We are going to keep them in supplies this year. You don't need a fancy organized charity or even a Twitter drive to make a difference. Just Do It.
Great idea. Although it could be a fun thing to organize and do with friends - but definitely bypass "the system." Sending email to "book club" now.
- Amy℠
Thanks guys. It felt totally great to do!
- Martha
AWESOME. Wish I could like this post 10,000 times!
- Trish R
Dave and I had a blast buying school supplies last year: we got all the stuff we wanted and couldn't afford when we were kids...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
School supplies for Zambian children: http://cecilysfund.org/ (Sorry, but I felt this was a good post to promote it.)
- Eivind
Elvind - promote it away! Another thing my mom has been doing for years is making quilts, toys, handcrafts and sending them to an AIDs orphanage in South Africa. She and five of her friends send them to the kids and have sold the stuff stateside and have raised around $25,000 all on their own to send to the orphanages to help the kids. I am not that crafty, but I help with legal, graphic design and the selling of the stuff at their sales. Another thing she just does. There is so much that you can Just Do.
- Martha
Great idea and my congrats. You are making a difference! Good show! :-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
No kidding, and they'll really need to know how to #blamedrewscancer then - yikes, crazy FF folks on us like white on rice just for cocktails w/ the Olanoffs.
- Liza
Mark: I *think* she means that not all human activities are in the pursuit of survival as quantified by $. Interacting with smart, interesting people is its own reward. One can improve one's situation by gaining edifying knowledge/human relationships, or by acquiring cash -- as a result of having spent some effort. To conflate the two is something that marketing assholes are guilty of.
- Christopher A Carr
Too many people complaining, I guess. Indeed, trust is something rare in the cynical times we live in.
- Jordi Soler
I believe people who are questioning will trust more when they get more clarity. In the absence of answers, speculation fills the gap.
- Louis Gray
hey man I trust loads more people online than off and I certainly trust the FFolk. These guys are no fools to build what they built and sell what they sold.
- Thomas Power
Unfortunately clarity takes time. Life is inherently unpredictable.
- Paul Buchheit
PB I am happy to wait take your time and yes I trust you all the whole team.
- Thomas Power
It's precisely because I viewed FF as a collection of people that I invested trust with them - so yes I'm waiting for the clarity that I trust will come and hope your allowed to share it by the new boss.
- bear (aka Mike Taylor)
I couldn't agree with you more Paul. (congrats BTW) I just hope bigger companies also realize the same thing, we will treat them the same way they treat us. With FF I think we all felt like part of the team, communication was open and two-way..it brought the passion out of all of us.
- Chris Myles
I ain't no naysayer I am a true FFsupporter. Go PB Bear x
- Thomas Power
i don't think ppl always like what they see...perhaps why they choice to treat others badly : reflecting their own ugly.
- :}(o|O){:
Oh, I could tell you stories about how I trusted people and was let down, betrayed, and backstabbed. Cynicism is not without precedent.
- Morton Fox
I don't think it's naive, you definitely live better when you are not constantly thinking if people are trying to scam you.
- Amit Morson
It's not good to call a bluff on people/anything before you understand the situation. On trusting people a little more....that's fine. However, it's a very thin line because people are different and unique in many aspects.We can do much more if we remove the slyness that have destroyed capitalism.
- Symon Muchina Thuo
BTW, I like the little "Add comment" thingy. Good going.
- Amit Morson
If I went with optimism, I would prefer cautious optimism over blind optimism.
- Morton Fox
culturally it seems cynicism is a means for people to cope with irony
- :}(o|O){:
I trust the FF team. As I said before I doubt they'll let FB take over and do messy things. They worked too hard to let them do that.
- Molly, "sorry"
I always give people a bit of trust, and it works out. There have been very few people that have lost the trust I gave them. I expect the best from everyone, and most return the favor. As for thinks like FF, well I don't have a lot of experience and I'm not super attached to the current workings, so I'm just waiting patiently to see what happens. I didn't join for the system, I joined for the people and the content. ^_^
- Heather
ana, that is why trust is required :)
- Paul Buchheit
It sounds like you've gained some confidence in yourself. That's always a plus.
- Wallace
I love FF. You guys have done a great job, and I have no doubt you will continue to do so. Some may have acted more on emotions than needed. However, when you end up being too trustworthy for too long, you tend to get burned. It's cheesy, it's a cliche, but it happens. I know I'm not one of the big ones here, but earlier today, in my completely zombified state, I decided to just roll...
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- Matthew Horton
I don't like how some people are thinking you "sold out" because you were bought by FB, because you needed the money and if you didn't get it what would happen? I think people are pissed off mainly because FB was the service that bought it. What if Myspace or Micorsoft bought FF? I bet there would be more people (including myself) who would totally lose trust in you guys.
- Molly, "sorry"
Some people are going to take this cryptic post as "Friendfeed will remain a separate entity and will continue to be developed, but I just can't reveal that yet." If that's not what ends up happening -- as seems almost certainly to be the case -- many FFers will hold it against you. I don't believe that's what you're saying, but many will. I imagine the fact that the reaction is mostly...
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- Christopher A Carr
Christopher - I think Paul should start writing even more cryptic posts to /really/ mess with people.
- Andrew C
He seems busting at the seems to talk about *something* he knows, I just doubt that something will really be all that reassuring.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, you're reading too much into this (as are most people here). I really do mean it as a general point about life. The truth is that I don't know exactly what the future holds, and neither does anyone else.
- Paul Buchheit
I have been through a few recent experiences where my apprehensions and concerns about the honesty and the intent of people have been proven wrong. I guess some of us need to go through this phase of realization before we can start trusting people a bit easier than before.
- Jassim
Paul: I was saying that I'm not reading that into your post, but many people will. In light of circumstances, posting something like that is going to be heavily interpreted, right?
- Christopher A Carr
I guess I'm in what some people might think of "denial". I want to think positively instead of being cynical. Being cynical to me is negative and doesn't solve a damn thing. Being positive about anything this day and age is a bad thing, I guess. People view positive feelings as being "in denial" which IMHO is a bunch of bullcrap.
- Molly, "sorry"
Depressing country music comes to mind... the dog ran away and the truck died, sad tune... *Sigh*
- Jannifer @wordsforliving
Perhaps more to the point: Most here may trust the former FF team, but many don't trust Facebook.
- Christopher A Carr
Christopher, I think that is the main point. It was interesting to see Matt Cutts post his congrats via a FF post, but also mention that he hopes the FF team brings some openness to the FB. That is part of the trust thing. Even Microsoft is more trustworthy than FB right now and everyone knows that a team of talented devs getting swallowed up by an untrustworthy corp typically makes no difference to the corp's culture.
- Travis Koger
I had to admit, even though I like FB a lot, they have done some things I'm not happy with. I'm hoping they don't mess with FF too much or I won't go there anymore.
- Molly, "sorry"
@Paul, I will stretch my trust a bit further to see how this washes out for the FF team, but in my view trust is always based on the actions and the way this has been handled, given that you are well aware of your rabid fan base, is not good for maintaining trust. I would have actually preferred that FF be bought my Microsoft (I know MS haters, perish the thought), but at the moment I...
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- Travis Koger
Thing is, every single FF user with a FB account could go delete their Facebook account, and Facebook would barely notice. So it's hard to believe that that they care -- why should they?
- Christopher A Carr
Totally agree Christopher. The FF crowd are such a small bag that they do not care. The reason why I would prefer MS is that they would care because they are clawing marketshare with any means, each little grab of users for them means a lot more then it does to FB, who as we all know don't even care about their existing 250-300mill.
- Travis Koger
Travis: You do know that MS is FB's single largest investor by far, right? For all practical purposes, MS bought FF as much as FB did
- LANjackal
LANjackal, yeah, but I am not sure about single largest? Particularly since the valuation that they bought in at was a lot higher than the current valuation from the recent buy in, so I think their shareholding is a tiny bit smaller now. There is still competition between the two for users, as there is from Google and twitter etc.
- Travis Koger
Lanjackal, I told like you to one of my friends feed yesterday, you are right!
- muratt
Travis: FB isn't publicly traded, and MS has given them more funding than anyone else, period. No one else has come close to the $240M MS poured into FB
- LANjackal
Travis: You don't think the Bing search results integrated with FB search results are accidental, do you? That said, I'm not one of those people who believes everything MS is bad. So far they've done well allowing FB to grow as they have. I've been with FB since 2004 so I have more faith in them than the average person. I'm giving them time to see how this all shakes out, and putting a lil trust in the FF devs too
- LANjackal
LANjackal, absolutely not, I know that was part of the investment and obviously worth a shed load more than the original 240M. I did think though that they had just received 200M from a russian company and have received other similar size investments from other companies. Don't get me wrong, I am not a total FB hater, if they do right by FF then I will absolutely stick around. What I...
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- Travis Koger
This is a smart approach. Trust...but verify. As much as many of us chuckled at Reagan in the 80s (OK, as much as some of us old guys chuckled) that's not a bad philosophy; it's what we do in day-to-day life, anyway. If we didn't implicitly trust most of the people we interacted with daily life would be chaos. Oh, and "naive" is the way we act on a daily basis.
- Tom Guarriello
Oh, and one more thing. I think the difference between the public reaction to FB buying FF and Amazon buying Zappos is fascinating.
- Tom Guarriello
I have actually more trust in FB than I have in Amazon - FB has not yet had the kind of anti competitive practices that Amazon has had in the last few years. If it had an easier way to ignore most apps, and reined their lawyers when revising T&Cs, FB would be positively peachy :)
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
Reality is a mirror. We will manifest in life what we continue to see and be. If we find that we continually cannot or do not trust people, it is often because we ourselves are not trustworthy. Give situations time to sort out before you automatically assume that the worst will come about.
- guruvan (Rob Nelson)
Paul, I take your point. This is how I've gone through my entire life, with varying degrees of success. But I should tell you because of this I've been burned many, many times and have the emotional scars to prove it. It is not a statement to be made lightly (not that I think this is what you were doing).
- Jim Is Not Smart
I think most people would like to trust but most people have been disappointed before so when one cares about something or someone might tend to create negative mental scenarios as a mechanism to protect oneself from another disappointment and not to appear a fool once again.
- M F
Cautious optimism is how I proceed. However, I've been involved in and project managed through many acquisitions, and usually the acquiree gets fed a bunch of bs about how they'll be able to control their destiny and keep their baby running. But I don't think I've ever seen that actually happen. I hope it might, in this case, but I feel like so much cannon fodder at this point.
- Rick Cogley
@PaulToo / Paul Buchheit you say "Unfortunately clarity takes time." This is really where I think many people take issue, why did you sell the company without getting a more firm road-map for how things were going to go (which you could have then announced)? Unless you basically said: "OK, just give us the money and we'll let things sort themselves out later." Which is of course your...
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- Alex Schleber
Are people forgetting that Paul sunk millions of his own money into FF? Unless FF was a 503c Foundation, he can't be faulted for seeking to recoup that, and with big players copying FF features every day, there was a risk to FF's future. I'm somewhat saddened by what happened, but happy for Paul, but either way, FF introduced a bunch of concepts that will now be copied by other...
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- Ray Cromwell
I like the sentiment to stay open and trusting. Life is too short to do otherwise. And since there is a lot of talk about the facebook deal on this thread guess I'll throw in my 2c there too -- which is, congratulations on another successful venture Paul. Very impressive and facebook will be better as a result. If FF gets lost in the shuffle that just means someone has to go out there and start another venture ;)
- Thomas Mader
@cromwellian, that's why I used the words "which is of course your prerogative"..business is business, fine. I congratulate the FF team on their business win. But then don't mix categories and try to bring social issues like "trust" back in through the backdoor. After Beacon et al. FB PR disasters, do you trust Zuckerberg/FB with a darn thing? You yourself seem to think similarly by saying you're "kinda resigned that it's long term fate is not in the cards." My point exactly..
- Alex Schleber
@Guruvan BTW I disagree with you that this has anything to with LOA/Projection type stuff..the point is we all trusted FB in the beginning..a long time ago. Did we attract their multiple mis-behaviors into our shared reality somehow?!?
- Alex Schleber
More accurately, life is better when people are trustworthy.
- Tanath
Alex: I have spent about 10 hours of my life with Mark Zuckerberg. I think he is a lot more trustworthy than most business leaders I have met.
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
@Scobleizer, which isn't saying that much, would you agree? :) It is after all the same Mark Zuckerberg that handed out business cards reading "I'm CEO, Bitch" not all that long ago..
- Alex Schleber
How does facebook reconcile talking about openness but trying to prevent other services from gaining traction by blocking the flow of information out of facebook that would enable smaller networks to compete? It looks like facebook is trying to become the entire web experience for users.
- Ru Viljoen
I've been through too many mergers and acquisitions to trust anything the buying corporation says.
- Alex Scoble
yeah u need to trust now because you gave away control. i think it was a silly move. i still think that friendfeed could have turned the tide by itself,...with proper profiles and people search. now all you can do is hoping you didn't got fooled
- Chris Hofmann
Schleber: damn, I didn't get one of those cards from him and had to drag him into a Time Magazine party. He didn't want to go because he didn't have an invite. I think that's the last time that I'll have an invite to something he doesn't have. But, seriously, I love how we blow out of proportion people like him.
- Robert Scoble
Alex Scoble: I assume the worst and when the best happens, I'm surprised. That said, Zuckerberg and Facebook has never stabbed me in the back or been jerks the way some other companies have been.
- Robert Scoble
If facebook succeeds it will lead to a period where innovation stagnates, and finally the largest task for facebook is to wrest power from google, and I personally do not want that to happen.
- Ru Viljoen
Ru: if you think Facebook is stagnating, I think you are smoking some good dope. Remember, FriendFeed couldn't take off because Facebook was too fast a follower. Many of my favorite friends from across the industry are now working there. Don't underestimate this company.
- Robert Scoble
Plus they stole Google's sushi chef and he's freaking awesome.
- Robert Scoble
Any company in Silicon Valley who is powered by sushi is unstoppable. ;-)
- Robert Scoble
I don't think that, I think facebook is brilliant and incredibly innovative, I mean it will go that way if they become too dominant in the comprehensive web experiance.
- Ru Viljoen
I have never heard of any company continuing to drive innovation as google has after acquiring a monopolistic majority, that is why I do not want it to be replaced.
- Ru Viljoen
I think he is right, social search is better than legions of anonymous results. Facebook leads social so when they master search they will undermine google.
- Ru Viljoen
yeah but the content that is dragged into FB is still much more limited to what google can crawl.
- Chris Hofmann
What exactly are you referring to by "social search," Ru?
- Christopher A Carr
If I'm trying to figure out who *among my FB friends* has the cutest new baby, or the highest ranking on Farmtown, then FB is certainly superb.
- Christopher A Carr
Search results relative to people you know. So far facebook has focused on features and usability to grow its userbase, but it looks really obvious that they will then try to use that social network to create a search engine that uses your acquaintances to serve you recommendations or search results and people will love that.
- Ru Viljoen
thats what friendfeed has been doing already
- Chris Hofmann
Ru: I could see that were FF as large as FB. My aunties and uncles on FB don't really know much about my interests or preferences. Won't FB have to radically restructure the network -- FoaF, and such?
- Christopher A Carr
i think that is the point of getting the friendfeed guys in the firstplace
- Chris Hofmann
In that case, there's so much legacy cruft in FB, why not build from FF's foundation if they're going to have to tear things down anyway?
- Christopher A Carr
Actually Paul, there is a famous wise American Caver named Donald Davis. Cavers find cave. Caves are a kind of form of Shrodingers Cat, we never know where more cave is until we find it. Davis postulated in the 60's that the cavers create the cave in their minds.
- Robert Higgins
FF is interests/information-centric. FB is people you happen to have encountered physically-centric.
- Christopher A Carr
It might be a hell of a lot of work but still that is where they will go. Bear in mind they have just released facebook lite and their explanation of it being for low brandwidth areas and mobiles smells like BS, but that is too speculative, fact is they can create that infrastructure with enough money, talent and users.
- Ru Viljoen
But they have 1/3 of a billion users with old expectations to placate. How radical can they be?
- Christopher A Carr
Well until it is done who knows how much behaviour will be shaken up, but they can be quite radical and people will not leave because how do you communicate with school friends and grandma if you leave?
- Ru Viljoen
It would seem extremely difficult to me to build a new house by ripping out a piece of the old house and replacing it, one piece at a time -- and starting from the roof. At best, for much of the process you'll have an ugly-ass Franken-house -- which is a good description of the state of affairs at FB.
- Christopher A Carr
Paul we trust you not to stab Friendfeed in the back, but to infiltrate and take over Facebook
- Robert Higgins
hahaha well I hope facebook remains a secure place to chat to our real friends and some form of friendfeed lives on and grows for our edgy web friends. Sleepytime 01:49 here
- Ru Viljoen
I imagine you and the rest of the FF gang are stinging a bit (perhaps you didn't expect the backlash to be as... well, passionate as it was?) but, in my experience, trust is something that has to be earned and it's usually something I only give to people I know personally. Generous trust has almost always repaid me negatively so I'm loathe to just hand it out. I'm a cynical, old, cranky...
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- Akiva Moskovitz
I have a long held belief that trust is something meant to be earned, not something you are entitled to from the start, and once shattered it is difficult, but not impossible, to regain. And Trust travels with a companion called Respect. They are 2 sides of the same coin.
- April Russo (app103)
Wow Akiva!! 'monster off the leash'. I feel your hurt emotions, really deep!
- Myrna
Eh, I've entered into the acceptance stage. Things are as they are.
- Akiva Moskovitz
I just saw a penis float down the main feed for the first time. Gents are freaking. In related news, I've lost count of the number of vaginas that have floated down my main feed. Grow a pair, will you guys? If I have to see random hairless poon float down my stream several times a week, you can deal with a cock once a year.
quick hit the hide button cuz I'm at work, but otherwise, who cares...
- Bill Kinney
Yes, seriously. It's a scene from a movie, not sexual, and it's just a penis. Would I prefer it not be in my home feed? Yup. I prefer the hairless lady crotches stay out of my home feed too. That will never happen, though: people say we're uptight and "telling them how to FF" when we suggest they keep it to a room. Let one guy post a penis, though, and everyone's clawing their GD eyes out and screaming GET AN EFFIN' ROOM!!!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So last night on this podast i heard a weird thing- in Africa there are some cultures that fear "penis stealers" like a pickpocket, they steal your penis. It hides in your body or shrinks. Serious deal, and 12 people were killed last year because they were suspected penis stealers. Just sayin'.
- anna sauce
I haven't seen any pensises!! penissess! ... dicks! And I don't want to see any either, I get that on my own thank you very much.
- Zulema ◕ ◡ ◕
I'm at work, so I hid said penis. Otherwise, yep. And yawn...
- Helen Sventitsky
I'm with @Bill Kinney. I could care less, I'm at work so I hide all the bits. But *yawn*
- ‘-.-’ Tutivillus Grift
It is the first genital apparition I have so far experienced on FF. Neither offend, I mean after all it is all just bits of bodies.
- Kevin J Hatton
PS: I am not one of those 'freaking' Gents.
- Kevin J Hatton
I only get mad if its larger than mine. So far I have stayed happy ;)
- Moved to Facebook
from fftogo
EARL +1 -- to expand on that thought - it must have been so small I missed it.
- LPH™ and his dog P™
To put this into perspective: I have lady bits and have seen what may or may not be an average number of gent bits. If I want to see more of them, I certainly know where to find them. But if I'm FFing at work, the library, at home in front of my godsons or soon to be ex step nephew, I'd just as soon not have to explain why the lady is all nekkid and stuff. People don't walk naked down main street either: they go to places where nudity is expected and/or encouraged.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Errr, what's the big fuss? Only issue I have is NSFW stuff in the feed while I'm at work. I access rooms via lists to do that.
- CAJ, somewhere else
No argument from me there. @FFing Enigma
- Kevin J Hatton
I'm not bothered by seeing other peoples genitals float on by... Don't get how anyone can be bothered by them.
- alphaxion
Oh, and +1 to Tina for that last comment. Please send to a room and not your main feed. I'm just sayin'....
- CAJ, somewhere else
I'm not particularly bothered by seeing genitals in my home feed, but if I don't like a particular picture, that's what the hide button is for.
- John (a.k.a. dendroica)
**looks around** ooh cock? where? where? Damn I must not be that "Cool"
- The Catz Meow
And to clarify: my *biggest* gripe here is the fact that I've not seen a single (straight) gent complain about the poon floating downstream, but let one penis slip through and it's OMGWTFBBQ!! What's good for the goose is good for the gander, and if the guys are saying it's ok to post lady crotches then by God there will be man crotch to match.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So, the unsaid thing here, Tina thinks we need more big hairy 70's style jungle bushes posted, and I couldn't agree more. I CAN'T FARGIN STAND THIS ERA OF THE SHORN POON. It's fracking creepy, looks like a childs, and that's just gross. The Brazilian ruined porn forever.
- Matthew DeVries
Having seen the crotch of a 10 year old girl (since I was one and therefore had one), I agree MDV. However this is more about the lady v gent crotch ratio, not the hair or lack thereof.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, now it's starting to sound like you're calling for more cock shots. Just sayin.
- ɐ ɯıʞ sıɹɥɔ
I'm pretty sure that I've complained about the poon, Tina, and for the record I'm straight. Just sayin'.
- Alex Scoble
Just for the record I never complain about poon. Just saying :D
- Moved to Facebook
from email
If root beer is involved in a penis float, I'm in!
- Oldengrey (Jay)
You're right Alex, I remember that now. And Chris, it's not that I'm calling for more gent's crotch shots; I'm just saying that if the guys here are ok with lady bits in the main feed then they shouldn't say word one about men bits in the feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I don't believe I have ever seen a full on bare vagina in the main feed. Boobs, yes, but not full-on genitalia. Honestly I would have reacted the same way if it was a completely naked woman; I don't want full nudity on my main feed when there are plenty of rooms for that. Honestly I'm sick and tired of people bitching about the "double standard." If you want to post naked men, half...
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- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Who the hell are you subscribing too Tina? PS could you compile them into a list of handy links.....for reference.
- Geoff Schultz
Only apply Haggis' rules to naked people. Half, shirtless, bikini'd people are fine. NSFW is the only time to approach anything higher than apathy.
- Matthew DeVries
we are playing who ever states the rule last gets to apply the rule, right?
- Matthew DeVries
Exactly, Matthew. Post dudes in swim trunks/speedos, girls in bikinis, whatever. I see those things on billboards on the side of the highway. Vagina and penis, no. Put that somewhere out of the public feed.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
It doesn't bother me, but I'd have no problem signing a document with that rider if that gets it out of committee already.
- Matthew DeVries
*blinkblink* Who on earth are you subscribed to Tina?
- Soup
I sub to a handful of people who use image fave type services, and port in tons of images at once. For those that want to see what the main feed looks like for me it's http://friendfeed.com/isthiss...
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
When I read what Tina posted, I got the mental image of a disembodied penis floating by like a weird duck hunt theme. :) Okay, remember when I complained about NSFW images in the main feed and many of you shot me down for "telling you how to use FF"? Well, now YOU get to debate this and I'll just hide your NSFW feeds.
- Morton Fox
i'm sitting here thinking the exact same thing mr perez
- Chris Heath
I was about to propose that some teachers at the high school I work at use friendfeed to aggregate their content and have students subscribe to that content. Now I'm worried that our district will just block the whole site.
- Ryan Massie
from iPhone
Perhaps I shouldn't laugh, but I find it hilarious. Lost your FF virginity now, TIna? :) "I just saw a penis float down the main feed for the first time" Your description of how you saw it 'float down' was what got me laughing here.
- Ian May
Does anyone realize that a penis really does float?
- The Catz Meow
When I say feed, Shawn, I mean the main feed I see when I visit friendfeed.com and am logged in. I don't use lists, so everyone I sub to is dumped into that main feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i've never noticed since i try to keep it attached to my body.
- Jason Wyttenbach
Tina. Thank you for this original post (I admit not reading through the comments).
- Martha
I only see genitalia floating down (and bubbling up) via the inappropriate discussions group, which appears in my main feed by default. Mmmmm, genitalia.
- Slappy Line
Tina, I totally love how certain people are completely misunderstanding your post, and appear to be assuming you are complaining about penile exposure. :-)
- Slappy Line
LMAO......this has got to be the best thread today!
- Bonnie Foster
Back in the old days, there were Johnsons as far as the eye could see. And what a lovely sight it was.
- Slappy Line
...hairless poon? huh? what? clearly, I'm not subscribed to the right FF folks. .LOLz! this is a hilarious post Tina. thanks for that
- .LAG liked that
An observation: I was the 69th to like this post. Just sayin. ;-)
- Ladybug Heather
I just saw some out of this world Japanese wieners!
- sofarsoShawn
Make one little post about crotches and the masses get all riled up (so many puns, so little time). Just a reminder, any crotch (male or female) that I see in my main feed gets reshared to the "Crotches in my Feed" group http://friendfeed.com/crotche... And Cecily, thanks to you I now have the urge to see if RandomHairlessPoon.com is an available domain name =/
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
You know that traffic will be closely watched by the FBI
- Matthew DeVries
I really wish our society would get over the stigma of naked bodies. Both men and women. I'm 100% straight, but I'm all about freedom. But I'm also all about respect. I say we treat everyone equally. If someone wants to post nudity, why don't we make a single NSFW room. (one could exist, I don't know). Seems like a logical solution to me.
- Ⓐ ☠ slayerboy ☠ Ⓐ
I'll agree there's not enough man-crotches floating about FriendFeed, and I'm straight! However, I categorically REFUSE to improve the situation. You all already got to see me shirtless for free; anything more and you got to pay me first for it.
- Chris, Taskerrific Guy
*considers using ye olde flatbed scanner but doesn't want to smoosh anything so gets out the digicam instead*
- Joe Silence is not Santa
Just know if it shows up in my feed it's going to the Crotch room.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
i must be doing something right because my cock:hairlesspoon ratio has been really good. no filters or nuthin’. probably some previously-unseen emergent phenomenon arising from my subscription choices. @mike: speaking for myself, any naked-body-stigma I might have is not moral or social, it's aesthetic.
- Anthony Citrano
LOL AC!! Reminds me of the scene from Slapshot where Paul Newman is explaining why women are beautiful and men are not. And where's my invite to the hairlesspoon room?
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
It's not a hairless poon room, it's a crotch room: if you join you'll see whatever male or female bits find their way onto my feed. And no invites are needed, MVB, there's a link above.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
poon room -- i think that calls for a name change.
- Jason Wyttenbach
Then I'm not really sure how I got you in trouble, Shawn. I'm curious though, so do explain!
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Ummm no not my p.p however, running today with my friend Mark then we go to World Health and do weights...welllll...I was trying to explaining this story and I couldn't say this word...(penis)...yeah I know cuz the ppl were around. Sooooooo I was trying to explain this story how you got accosted by this penis...and I could not STOP FUCKING laughing.
- sofarsoShawn
It's not the penis that accosted her, it's the tweeters that routinely accost her and the penis that is the pleasant change of pace.
- Matthew DeVries
You know I'm very conservative and would not say such a word. Also there was a problem with Mark's swipeee thing and the guy at the door was like no need to see id. And Mark was getting so pissed off and I couldn't stop laughing and laughing like ROFL *dead* laughing
- sofarsoShawn
Shawn, that's awesome: glad to have given you the giggles =) But MDV is right: I wasn't accosted by the peen, I was just frustrated by guys acting like it was the worst thing they'd ever seen on the home feed.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Mark was seriously about to punch that mofo out and finally he was like FUCK IT WE'RE GOING, I'm mentioning this to your supervisor! And once we got outside I just burst out yelling PENIS PENIS PENIS!!!!!! Finally!! My abs still hurt from laughing. And yeah kids were heading to school & shit, but I finally got it out of my system. Usually I'm trying to get it in hehehehee. The end.
- sofarsoShawn
So shame on you for getting me in trouble with your talk of the p. word!
- sofarsoShawn
Scott, you didn't miss anything.. check my feed for the horrific image.. That spawned an entire revolution..
- Matt Ruiz
Matt: the image wasn't horrific, don't beat yourself up. My frustration was with the reactions
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Tina, I'd be tempted to just give up and let the madding crowd misunderstand to their heart's content.
- Slappy Line
I seem to be missing all the juicy posts lately. Floating peni and vagini? Darn. :(
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I don't think I've seen this movie since it first came out on video.
- Steven Perez
I watched it Saturday night for the first time in probably 10 years. It holds up surprisingly well after all this time.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
from IM
Strange enough this song was NOT on the soundtrack, as well as some of the better songs in this movie (Beastie Boys, Ice T, etc)
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
What the hell happened to Christian Slater? He was like in EVERYTHING in the early 90s. I haven't seen him in a movie in a long time
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I remember a movie with Morgan Freeman in a flood, then he kinda disappeared.
- Steven Perez
"All the great themes have been used up and turned into theme parks." Such a great line
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I remember doing a modified version of Paul Revere over the loudspeaker in Elementary school
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Fuck man, this is so awkward. I feel like I'm stuck between two worlds yet not really a part of either anymore/yet.
- Adrian
This is all those stupid girls fault.. if they hadn't faked that letter he would have taken poor Malcolm more seriously.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Definitely Adrian.. The movie reminds me of my teenage years as well as hold old I am now. I remember having all these emotions/feelings but now look on it as just being a jaded hormonal teenager.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
The weakest part of this film is the fact that Mark's disguised voice doesn't sound very different from his regular voice. Adults are stupid.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
The attention to detail in this movie is pretty good.. In the scenes were Daniel is listening to Harry the tape recorder is setting to record.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
Can a principal even fire a teacher? I thought administration had to do that :/
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I love that she's like the 90's version of Drew Barrymore's character in Donnie Darko. Only much more cheerful and optimistic.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
I think life would be easier if you didn't have someone hot and popular like Christian Slater telling you how much he relates to you.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
They talked about putting charges against him because of the suicide, but after the media attention he received I bet he ended up with a decent lawyer
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
At least an ACLU lawyer, if his pop has any pull.
- Steven Perez
What I always loved about the movie was that it sort of spoke to the kind of person I was at the time. Confused, rebellious, a little on the weird side.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
THAT'S RIGHT, KIDS! STATHAM! REYNOLDS! LIOTTA! OH THE HORROR!
- Steven Perez
He's not a bad actor by any means, but that film...he's awful. His part is awful, his acting is awful, he looks awful. BAD BAD BAD
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
lol the link is in the first comment. Maybe I need to make that clearer :D
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I always liked that movie. Had some good laughs. Good fun!
- Thomas Page
Sorry. I'll bash over in the Ustream chat next time. :D And yes, the film is on The Movie Channel this month. I'm recording Sunday's 4am showing.
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Eh the quality is better if you have your own copy like tonight. It's generally for those that don't own the movie.
- Haggis (Sean Loyless)
I wouldn't waste a dime on the Dungeon Siege movie. Wait, you don't own it, do you?
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
Hell, I don't even check in on uStream. I have my own copies. The stream is for those who have neither the time nor the patience to get a copy for themselves.
- Steven Perez
from IM
If I had to do a Goldie Hawn flick, I'd rather do OVERBOARD.
- Steven Perez
I'm always up for Overboard. It was partially filmed in the town where my dad's side of the family lives. I also suggest The Burbs. (I can't recall what you have and haven't done yet. I suck as an online friend)
- tinypants - Hagitha of FF
"It's the moment that all astronauts knew that they'd have to face, but really didn't want to: The drinking of their own recycled urine. And, just to make the event more pleasurable, these astronauts are doing it on camera."
- Steven Perez
from Bookmarklet
the sad fact is that we have prescription drugs in our drinking water on earth. and where do those drugs come from? people who take drugs and then urinate. so aren't we already drinking recycled urine on earth? :-D
- Karim
The miracles of science will never end, will they? I wonder if they thought about going Old School Gemini Program and dropping in some Tang?
- Mark Edwards
Well, they aren't the first people who've been shown drinking pee on video. Just... ehrm... first to drink recycled pee. :D
- Wirehead
How many times has the water we drink from faucet or bottle been drunk before anyway?
- Ian May
Jeff, when I worked for Siemens, my UK employees fought hard for private insurance. It was non-negotiable for them. When I queried as to why, they explained they wanted to get to the front of the queue ahead of the NHS patients.
- Ryan Petty
I don't get it. I have never seen Gov health care run well (Walter Reed anyone?)..... But most seem to be clamoring for it here. I truly don't understand.... What am I missing?
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Jeff, for people with no insurance the access to crappily run health care is still better than the option of none.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
I agree Tina. But to fix that we beef up Medicaid, not socialize the whole thing.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
To my knowledge the current proposition isn't to socialize the whole thing. It's to offer a national insurance to those to don't have private insurance. In a sense, it's a beef up of Medicaid just like you've suggested.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
It's like the school uniform debate, everyone gains by having a much smaller clothing expense, but some kids will pop their collars to say I'm too privileged for just that.
- Micah Wittman
I had the same discussion with my dad recently. When I was in the Army, in the middle of a miscarriage, I waited 2 or 3 hours to see a doctor. And when I had a newborn, the health care was just like an assembly line. We never saw a doctor, and just went from one station to the next. My dad told me about how when my mom had kidney stones, she waited 3 or 4 hours to be seen (with private...
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- Michelle Martinez
Because National health care will be a way to get private health care to come down in cost, since most people would be able to get national health care instead.
- Wizetux
Michelle - ER's do really good with life threatening emergencies (that's what they're made for) they pretty much suck for everything else, regardless of who's footing the bill. It's like complaining that my sports car doesn't tow well; that's not what it's made to do. I'm not trying to minimize Kidney Stones (they seriously suck), I'm just saying it's not an ER's top priority... hence the wait...
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Jeff, I understand what you're saying, but if I had kidney stones, the pain would be enough to need an ER. Honestly, I'm not sure how I feel. Army health care was bad, but I did have a few good doctors. And civilian health care is good, but it has issues, too. I'm not sold either way.
- Michelle Martinez
We have a problem - people without access to affordable healthcare. It is a moral imperative that this problem is solved. Most people who feel this way don't really care if socialized medicine is the answer - they just want A solution. We need smart leaders willing to think outside the box.
- Chrimmus Tad
Tad - people will care when it fails. We're going bankrupt funding the existing Medicaid/Medicare.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Tina - It's not "just" adding in a safety layer. Obama said recently that he is willing to consider taxing employer-sponsored health benefits to help pay for a broad expansion of coverage. That's attempting to drive behavior by penalizing Private Insurance. I'm all for fixing they safety net we have (we NEED to), but making it the defacto and punishing private insurance isn't the answer.
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
Note - I don't know what the answer is... I just don't get the Michael Moore push for national health care......
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
There's another thing: even people who think they have private insurance don't in fact have private insurance. If you pay for your own insurance - good luck with that, btw - as soon a syou get seriously ill, the insurance drops you- or denies payment. ANd if, like me, you have chronic conditions, you're not going to get insurance at any price. Then, if you have employer health...
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- MaryB, BrandingBroadOfFF
ya good point Mary. My Cobra premiums if I lost my job are insane!
- Jeff (the メガマクダジ of FF)
The new Priuses are in. I got one of the first three that got into this dealer (Marin Toyota). I test drove it. Tons of geek toys. The lane keep assist is a trip (uses a camera to keep you in the lane and wakes you up with an alarm if you go out of bounds).
- Robert Scoble
such mixed feelings robert - happy for you to get something new that you are excited about, but bummed that you bought a new car instead of a used one... course I still want a ride. :)
- Jeremy Toeman
SO jeals! ^_^ drove a 2008 prius not too long ago and was pleasantly surprised: a great car ~ congrats!
- Kayce Maisel
heads up, the batteries in that vehicle do a tremendous amount of harm to the environment when it comes time to dispose of them & the amount that you save at the pump is also going to end up going towards the cost of replacement batteries at a future date, you should have really purchased a Jetta TDI they get around the same milage and you have to deal with fewer downfalls & you can even run biodiesel in if you like
- Dave T
from IM
WOW... after that comment, I could just about write anything here :)
- Fred Garrett
you don't plan to use the "lane keep assist" to help you do emails on your iphone do you?
- Marcel LeBrun
Solar panels FTW! My next car after my current lease is up with be a hybrid. I'm sure we'll make great strides in hybrid and battery technology in the next 2 years.
- Alex Knight
@Dave T Volkswagens are known to be horribly unreliable cars, while Toyotas (including the Prius) have proven reliability.
- Ben Kessler
Dave: we better learn to deal with recycling batteries.
- Robert Scoble
What about nuclear powered fuel cells for vehicles?
- Alex Knight
The battery issue is such a myth. They know exactly how to recycle the batteries in to new ones.
- Alex Scoble
Does anyone know if the 2010 Prius has improved suspension?
- Alex Knight
Does the lane keep assist, keep the new one out of the fast lane?
- Fred Garrett
Robert, you said the solar panel wasn't available on the top model? What model is it available on?
- Alex Knight
Alex: yes, improved definitely but it is no BMW.
- Robert Scoble
Well that much is obvious. As long as it's more interesting to drive. The old ones are pretty squishy.
- Alex Knight
A wind powered turbine that spins and creates reusable energy to power things in your car would be cool. Could mount it in front facing vents sucking in mass amounts of air when you drive.
- Alex Knight
Looks great. Now you just need to lower it and change the rims :P
- Arnold Aranez
Lowering the car will improve handling, but may affect fuel economy.
- Alex Knight
Alex: the solar roof is available on some of the top models but not on ones with the advanced technology package.
- Robert Scoble
It's a nice car with nice gadgets, but I just can't get excited about them.
- Mo Kargas
I'm jealous, mine's still on order - I probably won't get mine for at least another month. I have driven it and I agree: it definitely drives better than a Gen2.
- Paul Wilcox
Mo: gas prices are going up again. Makes me more excited. It is no Camaro in the looks department.
- Robert Scoble
That sounds like a car for me: "wakes you up with an alarm if you go out of bounds", 'cuz I'm always sleeping while I'm driving. No reazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- Robert J Taylor
@Robert Yeah I know and I can see I'll have to buy one soon myself, I just feel Toyota has descended into a 'whitegoods' era of totally unexciting vehicles/appliances. Great at being just cars, but no passion/excitement or style for me. I quite liked the Supra, wouldn't mind one of those as a hybrid
- Mo Kargas
Re: a few comments about evils of the battery... absolutely untrue, those batteris are 98% recyclable just like regular 12V battery, they are not dumped. Looks like many people still need to get educated. I'll keep my 2005 Insight 2-door (65 mpg) until it drops dead.
- Deborah Strickland
Solar panels aren't part of the *advanced technology package*?
- chad calease
Yeah, several of my parent's houses ago, it was a 70s vintage house with solar panels... so I guess you gotta get the "old skool" package to get solar panels.
- Wirehead
Congrats Robert! Can't wait to hear more about the car. It looks like a sweet ride!
- Michael Bazzoni
chad: no, the sun roof can't be put on cars with the advanced technology package. Only so much can be put into these things, I guess.
- Robert Scoble
Robert, I don't think that alarm is there to make it okay to sleep while driving. Although knowing you and your sleep schedule that may be a good thing :)
- Jesse Stay
My 2002 Prius gets 44 mpg steady everywhere, The TDI site claims 30-41. And the new Priuses get more like 50. They are great cars, if utterly unflashy.
- Bob Morris (polizeros)
Nice, but I pegged you for a Tesla Model S guy ;)
- dougcoleman
Cool car! Recently bought a Toyota as well, but the Yaris maxed out with gadet as well - Loving every minute of it
- Asgeir
I want one. Those and the Nissan Cube Mobile Device are made for geeks, by geeks.
- Danny Minick
from BuddyFeed
What dougcoleman says. A Tesla would have made this thread a lot more interesting. Prius? Yawn.
- Gilbert Harding
Prius is Latin for “to go before,” suggesting it is a predecessor of cars to come.:-)
- John Brazel
You learn something new each day..............
- Kevin J Hatton
A Prius will be my next car, I'm excited by the fact that it's enjoyable to see how much gas you can save. Everyone I talk to says it's fun, trying to get the most out of a gallon of gas!
- Tdubya
In 2020 -people will look back at the Prius like a bad 80's fad and laugh. Remember when? ha ha ha.. People drive the Prius because they want to be seen driving a Prius. Why did Honda switch from a civic hybrid to a Prius clone? Because they couldn't sell the civic because it didn't look like a hybrid. Nobody want to drive a hybrid if other people don't know they are driving a hybrid
- gfurry
gfurry Does the hybird Lexus's look like a "typical" hybrids? I don't think so :) haha
- Asgeir
I'd rather have the Honda, sorry. That is if I were going to ever think of purchasing a car like this, which I probably won't. Talk about trendy righteousness!
- Andy
Robert: Great Car! It has very similar style with the new Tesla Model S Coupe which is not even available until late 2011.
- Garin Kilpatrick
gfurry: we also own a Highlander Hybrid. It doesn't look like a Prius. So there.
- Robert Scoble
I'd totally agree with you, gfurry, if not for the fact that the numbers don't back it up. 40% or so of all hybrid owners drive hybrids that don't look like hybrids: http://www.hybridcars.com/news...
- Ken Sheppardson
@Ben Kessler: Strangely the only VW's with a bad rep are the ones in the US. VW and especially diesels have a amazing record in Europe. I have an Audi [same group/mechanics] A3 (diesel) that has only ever had standard servicing and it's coming up to 190,000 miles and still runs like a dream getting me 45+ mpg. Do US VW's get put together in the US? Maybe that's the difference.
- 1x29
I hate my '03 Jetta. I think it came from the Mexico plant. Trunk latch busted (fixed), arm rest compartment busted twice (didn't bother fixing it the second time). A/C borked (took my '92 Camry 10 years before the A/C died, Jetta was 6). But most of my frustration should be on the dealership 'cause they didn't fix an electrical problem until innumerable times of towing the car in due to battery drain. And congrats Robert! Nifty car and environmental conscious! Someday the Prius will look like a sportscar.
- Arlan Koizumi
aww i thought you were going to wait for that tesla sedan
- Paul Stamatiou
So, what are the top 5 geek toys on this car (in addition to the lane keep assist)?
- Paola Bonomo
Brian: yup! Louis just left our house in his new BMW.
- Robert Scoble
Paola: my favorite thing so far is the cruise control. My iPhone's contacts all imported, though. The parking and lane assist features are cool. LED headlights. Satellite radio. Cool display is geeky.
- Robert Scoble
And here in India the corolla is the "latest" car. I envy you guys!
- Venu Vedam
from Nambu
I have a friend who lived in Japan as a missionary. He once gave me some pointers on how to use one. I'm not looking forward to every having to put the advice to use.
- Joey Gibson
Some Asian countries only have one? That would make a very long line to the benjo!
- Josh Haley
OMG Josh. You should see the line... :P
- AJ Batac
A comment at Rodfather's link made me double over in laughter: "Just tried it and found both methods pale in comparisons to simply standing. From a standing position I can kick an Asian or westerner in the head with ease and run away before they are able to get back up."
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
And for the record, when I try the technique in Rodfathers' link, my butt touches the ground. I don' t think I like that.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Always remember that most Ninjas are Asians.
- AJ Batac
Yes, but not most Asians are Ninjas [edit: what the heck am I telling you that for? I'd think you'd know!]
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
That's the easy one. try using the indian style bathroom on indian railways wearing a sari and going 50 miles per hour. Did I say shocks are optional on these trains?
- InPerpetualMotion(Gina k)
It's actually better for your health to squat rather than sit - apparently the sitting position is linked to colon cancer, IBS and a whole host of intestinal complications. Also, sitting down to crap is a relatively new thing in the west too... and all the fault of us pesky Brits!
- alphaxion
Haha. If you think this is Bad try going to rural China. They only have a canal type of toilet where everyone squats in front of another person and does his or her stuff. Imagine you are the first person on the line. You will have lots of shit floating down wind! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
@alphaxian - "apparently the sitting position is linked to colon cancer" - any chance of supplying a link to an actual medical source (i.e. not a website that includes any of 'nature', 'wellbeing', 'natural', 'earth', etc.) to back this - to my mind, at least - absolutely preposterous statement? Cancer linked to sitting? Come on! Next thing we'll hear is that suppressing yawns by keeping your mouth closed is responsible for the spread of the Hanta virus.
- Mark H
Mark, maybe not something as severe as colon cancer, but perhaps some more minor ailments such as constipation? If you think about it, it makes sense. Do our closest animal relatives, the apes, use little toilet seats to go?? Did human beings use anything like that until about the last few thousand years? And still that was only the wealthiest of the few people who did it that way.
- Kamilah Gill
Actually proper squatting is better than doing it on a chair type of toilet, because you let all you bawls out! So learn how to squat! I live in Japan and have to do it sometimes. You let it all out! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
but then, it could be just one of those "yes it has some effects" then takes you further onto the not so likely (baby steps away from reality). Still, medical tests have shown that squatting is more effective for excretion at the very least.
- alphaxion
So, in short, which way is it better to Shit? Sitting down or Squatting?
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
We can get rich of the Zero Gravity Toilet. Just build special rooms for the the consumers. Promote it as good for preventing colon cancer. With the economy in the shit hole that it is right now, what if not Shit will get us out of the shit hole! LMAO
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Ah yes, I'd actually prefer a squat toilet like this. Used one in Japan a few times. Kind of like camping.
- Mike Reynolds
I'm gonna start getting more sleep, so I can kill more spiders. [edit: ok, I read the Snopes thing; I guess I won't get more sleep]
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
where does this manic fear of spiders come from? i'm real curious. i don't think they're so bad and i can't comprehend the extreme feelings of repugnance/fear that some have for them. ever step on a tarantula? yeah, it really sucks. i did that walking around barefoot in the ecuadorian amazon once. true story
- Cee Bee
Folks at Sopes are a bunch of Nay-Sayers...
- Jay Martin
Spiders don't bother me. It's roaches. Eeeeeee
- Carmen
Agreed, Brian, except when they are in my house...no spider can crawl across my living room floor and live. Plain and simple.
- Josh Haley
Cee Bee: I'm afraid, specifically, of the giant "woodpile" (not poisonous) spiders that are all over WA, mostly because they look almost exactly like Hobo Spiders (also in WA and quite nasty). I do cultivate the little black jumping ones though - they kill Hobo spiders.
- Jennifer Dittrich
I only seem to use it when twitter is down. A better iPhone app might bring me around more often more "reader" like features (ie, let me add feeds and info that only I see like my google reader subscriptions and all of the tweets from my account on twitter)
- Scott Watermasysk
If it's not on friendfeed, I'm not interested, Thomas. :)
- Alex Scoble
Best ignore those that think they know what is going on and preach about it.
- CW™
Uhh oh, don't I act like that sometimes, CW? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
Your a scoble.. I don't think you can help it. ;) But you back up your statements, allow others the chance to change your mind and not go off to a Ashram and sulk when people complain about you. ;)
- CW™
People are complaining about me? *goes and cries in a corner*
- Alex Scoble
You mean yesterday's news Arrington ??? Or today's embargo Arrington?
- David HC Soul
I just read Arrington's post and commented via FriendFeed (not to make any philosophical point, but because I'm on an older mobile phone right now using fftogo). While I had some quibbles, the fact remains that there are far fewer FriendFeed users than there are Facebook users. Then again, there are far fewer Twitter users than Facebook users, so simplicity isn't everything...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
The word I heard him use was "nobody", not "fewer", "nobody"...Perhaps I'm wrong though...either way, I don't care. I find friendfeed to be eminently more entertaining and useful than Twitter or Facebook.
- Alex Scoble
I'm going with Scoble, and betting on this horse. This new UI is just a thing of beauty. This is how it should be. They're the ones who've found the Grail Castle. This is it right here. I'm just loving it.
- Web Nex
Here. But off to bed soon. Back later. G'nite, FF.
- Lisa L. Seifert
Love the new beta. Really nice job to Team FF!
- Marc Chung
Wow, a whole ~120 people ... over 5 hours. I used to play on MUDs 10+ years ago with more simultaneous users. FF is 98% Scoble-hype noise, 2% RSS crawling.
- Dossy Shiobara
@bec rowe - fine, I'll be generous, suppose there's a whole ORDER OF MAGNITUDE more users, 10x or 1,200 ... this is a big deal? Most major IRC networks each have 60k+ concurrent users and that's tech that's 15+ years old now.
- Dossy Shiobara
for such a "new and improved" UI, why do I have to scroll ALL the way back up to click the "comment" link? what, did none of the UX people think "gee, putting it at the bottom of the list of comments would be a good idea"?
- Dossy Shiobara
seriously, people, stop being sheep. FF is cute but it's a pet rock.
- Dossy Shiobara
Exactly -- I come here to escape from Facebook and when I want more conversation than Twitter :) Sheep we are not. ;)
- Mona Nomura
I have 3 tabs locked into the first three positions of my always-open Firefox window: Google Reader, Gmail and you guessed it... FriendFeed.
- Brooks Bishop
Absolutley! Great aggregator, but have to use Twirl or other app at work
- Jonathan Decker
from twhirl
Who the hell is Michael Arrington, and why should I give two tugs of a dead dog's cock what he thinks?
- Steven Perez
damn you steven perez... speak ya mind for a change!!! ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
Perez: Some meatbag with an overblown sense of self importance
- Mo Kargas
Arrington is a Web 1.0 dinosaur trying to make himself relevant still by being Jerry Springer without the entertainment value.
- Bob M. Montgomery
from twhirl
Just to note: I know damn well who Arrington is. He's that meatsack whose website couldn't hold its load for a few hours. But I'm serious about not caring what he thinks.
- Steven Perez
that's r scoble too mo... ooops I'll get bashed! :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
something tells me THIS proves how little he uses this place ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
That's OK, I get the sense that most people here couldn't care less. :) We use friendfeed because we like it, not because some A-Lister that doesn't even participate here thinks we should or shouldn't.
- Alex Scoble
Shouldn't this be on a TC post since all those comments will be sucked into the blog itself?
- coldbrew
agreed alex, if you watch your brother's video of the pre-beta walk through from last weekend, mike was there, engaged and asked good questions of bret and paul, but then he goes off and belittles ff & those using it - immature or trollish not sure which it is...
- mike "glemak" dunn
But Alex.. your bro is a supposed A-lister...
- Rob Sellen :o)
dunn: Arrington is providing feedback. I'm sure team-FF can handle it.
- coldbrew
yeah the feedback he provides is..."the worse way to use friendfeed" :o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
My brother also participates here a lot, so when he says something is great or sucks here he has some authority...certainly a lot more authority on the subject than you know who.
- Alex Scoble
i am and its soo much better. Tell mike the tech rumors are better here, too.
- Roberto Bonini
my head hurts. || button is my friend
- Todd Randolph
Right on Alex! To enhance what I said yesterday, FriendFeed is the "coolest app" to consume information on the Internet and interact with smart people.
- Eric Berlin
Nah, I never use FriendFeed. FriendFeed uses me! Don't ask.
- Brad Butner
from twhirl
*rolls eyes* Outlandish statements are how Arrington moves the space. It doesn't matter how the space moves, as long as it moves, then Arrington can remora off it. He doesn't care who wins or how his little bombs affect anyone, just as long as it moves somewhere. He's like a weapons dealer who foments the extension of wars so he can sell the weapons to both sides.
- Matthew DeVries
It's Michael Arrington. His ego is the size of the Sun and is infinitely expanding like the universe. All I hear is "blah blah blah blah blah blah blah."
- Zach Flauaus
My thread was first and my brother was just being a copycat. First!
- Alex Scoble
Put both threads in a room, and similpost in both. The power of the exponent!
- Matthew DeVries
yep, that Scoble is a copycat !! :)-
- Peter Dawson
I think the only way to settle this is with a good old fashioned slap fight. Or a drinking contest... Either way we need video of it.
- Joe Pierce
But I said "First!" That's the internet beat down right there.
- Alex Scoble
more comments than likes? how can that be... you commenter's who have yet to like...like.. and those who have yet comment...comment..and like ;o)
- Rob Sellen :o)
I'm down with FreindFeed. My usage has skyrocketed since the beta launch.
- Tim
kinda sick of hearing people talk about this. this discussion has definitely jumped the shark (also another term that has jumped the shark)
- andy brudtkuhl
it's more like being an expert in driving a car. huge "and....?" attached
- Spotcher
I've started just blocking those people on twitter. Extra effort, yeah, but I think it's worth it
- James P.
from twhirl
"Expert in Yellow Pages" - I think I will frame that one! :o)
- Zack Brandit
It demonstrates you're full of lies. Only someone full of lies would make such an assertion. In main part saying you're a social media expert shows you think of it as a job rather than a lifestyle.
- Richard A.
social media = message boards. they are one in the same. no need for deep analysis - they've been on the web forever.
- Patricia
What's funny is that companies actually advertise for social media experts--looking to add a Web 2.0 person to their fold. Of course some don't get it and say 'I want 10 years of social media experience' and you're like 'hmmm...what was social media in 1998?'
- Andrew Leyden
"social media is a social disease - twitter is an STD"
- Russell Wagner
LD, yes but you didn't say "to see pea use the vacuum on herself". This is no time for ambiguities. There's a reason people tell me all the time I shoulda been a lawyer, you know.
- ♥patricia♥
Is there a racoon on the list? Those have been a problem of late.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
Seems like there are more places you shouldn't stick your penis than there are places you should.
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
One time, at work, i stuck my penis in a pickle slicer. She got fired, too.
- MVB (Grinch of FF)
why any reporter does not know not to talk to bjork is beyond me...
- Trish Haley
Is watching someone's career tank, like Nolte's and Bjork's, a sort of sport here in the U.S.? And why do so many celebrities become douches when fame fades?
- Jack (a.k.a. Jeber)
I've alwasy found watching what celebs get up to very tedious. I just don't care less.
- Ian May
This clip is actually old...at least ten years. I just never tire of watching it, in a very salacious manner which is very unbecoming.
- Derrick
This clip needs more detail... as in which TIME she attacked a reporter.
- Cyndy
bjork's insane full stop. always has been..
- Terry O'Fee
This is a long time ago. She went nuts on the person who pestered her for a long time before that, and when she has her kid with her she gets all protective like a bear and her cub or something. You don't mess with Bjork!
- Josh Haley
It's just something that occurred to me. Another slant on the age old why we need taxes argument that has been going on here since friendfeed was booted up. People, who are against taxes, say we should have less to encourage people to get rich. Well given that our current economic problems have been caused LARGELY by rich people who AREN'T being held accountable for their actions, we simply can't afford to have more rich people now can we? Rich people are obviously bad for the economy.
- Alex Scoble
Either we introduce accountability for the rich that can't be circumvented by a large team of crack lawyers, or we just increase taxes so that no one else can become rich. Seems fair to me.
- Alex Scoble
Surely the rich are being held accountable to some degree? their assets must be depreciating too.
- Steven Cains
That web site that compares our incomes to the rest of the world says I'm rich. I am not. There should be heavy taxes on being so evilly greedy that you harm the livelihoods of others. Being helpful and rich should mean less taxes, perhaps even none at all.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
Alex, I think you are rich. Now give me some more money before I Cyberbully you! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Sorry Cains, but the people who did this to us should not be still employed by any financial institution and quite frankly should be in jail. Since this is unlikely to happen, we'll just have to tax their asses back to the stone age.
- Alex Scoble
Or maybe it's just the wrong people getting rich.
- ·[▪_▪]·
Ah, this must be an economic downturn. Soak the rich, bring back the unions, lock the borders, and buy American! Hm, or it could be that we the people let congress keep loopholes open, which smart people just use.
- Christopher Galtenberg
Bring back unions? They are just as complicit and useless in all this as the rich. We need to bring back personal responsibility is what we need to do and if we can't do that, we should just tax irresponsible citizens back to the stone age.
- Alex Scoble
How many Lenins and Stalins would you like Sir? Give me all your money or I will start a Friend Feed revolution? I will send all my Troll friends against you! Long live Gevra! LOL
- Igor The Troll יִצְחָק
Alex, won't taxing their asses back to the stone age affect everyone? Including people who had no say in the financial market; engineers, designers, entrepreneurs?
- Steven Cains
Silly me, I am up for an across the board tax - 10% for all no matter what your income. No loopholes just straight up fair on fair. Why is this thought so unpopular?
- Janet
Hey, if the rich can't keep control of their own then obviously they can't be trusted with all of that money. The government can use it more wisely, obviously since we got to where we are today by trusting the rich with their money.
- Alex Scoble
Janet, most arguments against a flat tax are because it is inherently regressive. On top of that, the flat tax rate would have to be much higher than 10% to match the revenue from the current tax system.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
In all seriousness, Janet, there's no such thing as a fair tax. A flat tax disproportionately affects the poor.
- Alex Scoble
Alex, define poor. No tax for ederly at poverty level as it stands. Tina, is this 'higher' when consideration to no more tax breaks/incentives to large corporations making billions of dollars (oil industry) and paying such a small percentage of tax due to loopholes.
- Janet
Poor in the US is anyone making less than the median wage of around $45k. That's how I would define it.
- Alex Scoble
The argument for that, Janet, is that those business will chose to move outside the US, thereby we will lose what little tax base we already have in them.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
Alex: personally, 'poor' should take standard COL rates into account. 45k in SC is good money, in NYC you're barely able to scrape buy.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
So Alex, in your opinion, what constitutes rich? In Canada, I'm in the highest tax bracket and I gross less than $100k/year and take home waaaay less than that. Does that mean I should be taxed to the stone age? I make substantially more than the "average" Canadian though, so does that make me rich? Or are the rich ones the ones that make bad decisions and the ones who honestly bring home wheelbarrows full of cash are not? I think there needs to be a point of reference.
- Kenton
I'd say that if you make 10 times the median income for your area then you are rich. However, for the purposes of my statement, the truly rich are those who make 100 times the median income. In other words, enough money so that you can buy off politicians/policemen and do whatever you want.
- Alex Scoble
I'm not rich but if I were I'd laugh at Alex and continue to do everything within my power to pay as little in taxes as possible. * Edit: as I twist the ends of my mustachio.
- Christopher Harley
Which is why you, Christopher, should be taxed more than you are. I'm watching you!
- Alex Scoble
Alex, that's certainly fair, although you kind of prove why your plan will never work in the rest of your statement. "In other words, enough money so that you can buy off politicians/policemen and do whatever you want." As long as politicians can be bought will the people who want to cheat the system ever be taxed enough?
- Kenton
Taxing someone to prevent them from becoming rich... Ok Alex ... I think it's time to add you to my "looney bin" list. lol jk -- But really? You think that would solve the issue? If everyone is extended the same thing in life with no expectations of becoming wealthy -- umm that sounds boring.
- Brandon
No, Kenton, which is why man invented pitchforks.
- Alex Scoble
No, Brandon, not really. I'd much rather that there be accountability built in to the system so that when your actions negatively affect the lives of hundreds, thousands, hundreds of thousands or millions that your life be thusly negatively impacted as well.
- Alex Scoble
accountability in any system starts w/ quality feedback. the better the data, the shorter the span between occurrence and report. the higher the quality of the feedback. of course *using* and *interpreting* the feedback, well...
- MikeAmundsen
Could/should someone with an income of only $45k get a loan for a decent single-family home? If not, I'd want to raise the poor standard.
- MiniMage TKDteacher of FF
MiniMage, that again depends on the COL of where you live. In my town, you can get a new construction 3BR 2BA for about 125k, so the person making 45k could very likely get approved. In SF or NYC? Not gonna happen.
- FFing Enigma (aka Tina)
The economic downturn was mainly caused by people trying to get rich and miserably failing. It started with Reagen opening up the floor to enable 'common man' to trade and Clinton, by allowing people to buy things they can not afford. The filthy rich will keep getting richer, regardless of 'tax plans' and or 'tariffs'.
- Mona Nomura
I'm not even going to read this thread, I'll just assume it's full of a combination of sarcasm and ignorance. ;)
- xero
Government created this mess, not the lack of it. And how many jobs have you ever gotten from a poor person?
- Dave Roth
a flat 10% tax? my thinking is that if you make most of the money, you should pay most of the taxes ... i agree with alex here. our current wealth gap makes class mobility almost impossible. and if history is any indication, wealth gaps are a recipe for political and economic instability.
- tiffany
Agree with Lindsey. I've been poor and I've been rich. I prefer rich, but in either condition, I am the same person.
- Anthony Citrano
Leather, you need to separate out the ridiculous hyperbole from the serious statements I've made in this post. And Lindsey, when some rich assholes in the financial sector decided it was OK to gamble the whole US economy just to make more money, that's when it became wrong to be rich. Guilt by association.
- Alex Scoble
If the rich and powerful don't hold these rectal failures accountable, then we should hold all of the rich accountable and make them no longer rich. It's that simple. No one has the RIGHT to put the rest of us in peril and walk away unscathed and that's EXACTLY what's happening right now. We should be OUTRAGED at these people and demand that heads roll (if at least figuratively) and instead all we are doing is bailing them out and limiting their salaries.
- Alex Scoble
I've already done it in the thread, Chris.
- Alex Scoble
Leather...try using your brain before you tell me I'm not using mine.
- Alex Scoble
No Chris, for the purposes of this conversation, rich is being defined as someone who can evade accountability through the use of money and power. The whole point of this thread is that the guys who put us in this mess aren't being held accountable and that we should all be outraged about it...instead we are all so worried (rightly so) about our own asses that no one is noticing them slipping out the exits. Justice is not being served and we should be completely LIVID about it.
- Alex Scoble
There is and always will be separation of classes. Depending on the government to control that is ludicrous. Instead, the ones that are aware should worry about ourselves and what we can do for the community, since speaking against the government or trying to change 250+ years of history will not happen any time soon.
- Mona Nomura
Leather, you really are showing your intelligence with your comments. Go back to your posting of women in scantily clad outfits as that is obviously your strong suit. Trying to figure out what I'm actually saying is obviously not.
- Alex Scoble
Leather Donut meet provocative thought experiment. And I normally wouldn't be so abrasive with you, but you called me stupid without even bothering to figure out what the intent of this post was. Ready, Fire, Aim! Oopsies!
- Alex Scoble
- Why do we feel it's necessary to yak about bullshit in order to be comfortable?
- I don't know. That's a good question.
- That's when you know you've found somebody special.
When you can just shut the fuck up for a minute and comfortably enjoy the silence.
Aggregator of gamer information. I am testing this to use to post my Xbox and WoW achievements on Friendfeed. Also has a client app and can post to twitter and facebook.
- Paul Whitaker
Pretty nice. I use it sometimes too http://raptr.com/Neurario Unfortunately it only seems to detect when I'm playing my Steam games or Osu!. :|
- Neurario
not sure whether this is cool or scary - not sure I want my wow profile on friendfeed
- Joelle Nebbe (iphigenie)
I signed up over xmas, not really looked at it that much. Forgot about it TBH, will take another look tonight properly. Doesnt seem to like my PS3 ID at the moment. XBox is fine.
- Simon Wicks
XBox worked fine last night when i tried it out. Doesnt seem to like anyone's PS3 though, not just mine. I had to manually select what i was playing and an estimated time i would play for. That sucks.
- Simon Wicks
I tried that the other day but I don't like it too much
- Marek
If you're just looking for a way to add your WoW achievements to FF, you might want to check out http://pipes.yahoo.com/czottma... and add it as "Custom RSS" feed to your profile here. Take a look at my profile to see it in action.
- Carlo Zottmann
Looking for a way to make it work with the PS3 without me having to manually put in what im doing. I cant be bothered with that. Dont play WoW so.. :)
- Simon Wicks
I can totally imagine Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory using this.
- Roberto Bonini
added. lol. ur on hyjal too! i took out my WoW profile.
- samantha
from twhirl