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Fundamentalist Christians make good project managers because they have unrealistic expectations of what can be done in 7 days.
Heather B. Armstrong, Fedor Karpelevitch, Franco Piccolo and 33 other people liked this
It is posts like this when I can tell there is something going on with the interactivity decline on FF. Not a single comment or reaction among 6300 subs?
- Christopher Sacca
Chris, there's a lot of noise on your Twitter feed in FF -- many @ replies most people could care less about. I'd expect that many of your FF subscribers have hidden your Twitter entries.
- Daniel Dulitz
Doesn't that seem like a FF problem then? I mean, Twitter experimented with tuning the reply noise. Maybe FF would do the same?
- Christopher Sacca
What sort of reaction were you expecting to this post?
- Doug Beeferman
On Twitter and FB there were a lot of laughs, shares, complaints, corrections that it should be 6 days, etc. Just a lot more interaction. It just feels like early on, when I only had a few subs on FF, there used to be a lot more interaction. I feel like Dulitz is probably most right, but there is no way for me to tune the replies down. Both Twitter and FB seemed to get that and filter on them to audiences who might care. I wish we could do the same here.
- Christopher Sacca
I think the interactivity in FF has been segregated into many small conversions after FF implemented the groups.
- imabonehead
That is likely a factor too. Agreed.
- Christopher Sacca
What is a day? Is it the same for all? Large or small? ;-)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm agnostic, so I don't have much to say other than that statement is funny. :)
- imabonehead
Christopher, lot of the big names (and others, too) on FF totally ignore anything being cross-posted from Twitter. I learned this a while back. If you really want interactivity from FF, you have to post *to* FF, and not just feed it from somewhere else. I was saddened by this, but that's what it's turned into.
- Joey Gibson
Chris, it's an FF problem for you (and probably a big reason why FF never took off), but for me it's a selling point. The FF userbase is different than the FB userbase. I subscribe to people on FF for their insight first, and only secondarily for entertainment. I think the average FB comment is very different, more fluffy, less serious. For a good social platform, I think the insight-driven folks and the entertainment driven folks need to balance. I don't know how to get that in FB.
- Daniel Dulitz
Christopher: I've noticed a decline in engagement too, but funny enough, every time I bring it up I get engagement again. :-)
- Robert Scoble
It is because there is a crowd following you Robert.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I haven't noticed any fall off on FF.
- iTad
Well, I thought it was funny.
- Jack&Cleo
You get engagement when you talk about engagement declining on FriendFeed, because everybody here is interested in FriendFeed. Probably fewer people are interested in project management jokes; sorry.
- Bruce Lewis
You must be buddies with Rob Sellen.
- Rochelle
LOL Rochelle
- Jeff (Team マクダジ )
from iPhone
I think I can now confidently state that I now only get engagement when Scoble comments on my stuff. :)
- Christopher Sacca
dude, you should be honored when he comments on your posts. :P
- imabonehead
Heheh. I didn't start commenting on this until after you got engagement.
- Robert Scoble
Made me chuckle
- Herb Hernandez
from iPhone
Daniel, you nailed it. For me, FriendFeed is a superior interface for reading discussions about issues and news stories of interest to me and my contacts. So far I've found Twitter to be nice for reading status updates and witty epigrams, but bad for having substantive discussions. When I see a "Twittery" post on Friendfeed or vice versa, I don't know what to do with it.
- Doug Beeferman
Chris, another thing to consider is that you have 150 times as many followers on Twitter as you have subscribers on FriendFeed. So, after normalizing for that, I believe FriendFeed is winning :-D
- Doug Beeferman
Why are the most successful people genuinely nice and the semi-relevant people the biggest a-holes? #NameDroppersSUCK #ElitistsAreLame
Jeff P. Henderson, Kingsley Joseph, Fossil Huntress and 23 other people liked this
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- Mac Sharp
Its easy to be nice when you are looking down on the little people ;)
- Tony C (Unrated)
maybe the semi-relevant people become successful and then they stop being a-holes.
- Taehoon Kim
A-holes rarely succeed - unless they somehow come into funds, usually a fluke. Like the dot commers. New money bubble people are elitist a-holes, usually for no reason. Old money folks are NICE. They have nothing to prove :)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
I guess you've never met Steve Jobs or Larry Ellison?
- Scoble, Alex Scoble
Larry Ellison I have. He's nice and EXTREMELY charismatic. Jobs, no. But I think they fall under 'new money'
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
Competence breeds self awareness and confidence, trying to project competence produces the need for e-penis games, selfishness and constant paranoia. If you are good at what you do and you know it you don't need to compare dick sizes.
- matthew john ernisse
I'm not sure if I have an opinion on your original statement, but as the to new money vs old money, my experiences have led me to disagree with that!
- Rachel Lea Fox
There are exceptions to every rule ;)
- Mona Nomura
from IM
I don't really know any rich people, but I respect people with "new money" more than people with "old money" (if it means inherited), since the former have worked hard for it (considering it is honest and not some funding etc).
- Jemm
Experience dependent, I think. I've met THE crappiest new money people, especially in the Valley. But this Tweet was initiated by a rude jerk, who is a bully. Kept it general since thinking about it, it applied to a lot of people. (not just dotcommers but in music, too.)
- Mona Nomura
from iPhone
The folks w/ a real sense of themselves tend to be more generous w/ their resources and ideas. The insecure ones seek always to position themselves higher or w/ more perceived power/authority. Yawn. Nice (confident) people FTW!
- Ayşe E.
Ehn. I asked Scoble, and he said you were just having a bad day. :-)
- Ladyepiphanybug
Seen also in monkeys. Alpha male is nice. Next-to-alpha males are rough.
- Mitchell Tsai
14 Reasons Why Enterprise 2.0 Projects Fail versus 4 Rules of Thumb - chieftech's blog - http://chieftech.com.au/14-reas...
Kingsley Joseph, Jose M Pelaez and Dag Blakstad liked this
A useful counterpoint by @chieftech with 4 rules of thumb for Enterprise 2.0 in response to my 14 causes of failure: http://bit.ly/1aJQvV [from http://twitter.com/dhinchc...]
- Dion Hinchcliffe
What is #gnomedex and why is it raping my eyes?
Josh Haley, DaveDelaney.ME, Ryan Christensen and 10 other people liked this
Pirillo liked this Tweet.
- Robert Scoble
It's to be expected.
- Andru Edwards
This got a lot of laughter and applause on the big screen, Mike. You're FINALLY famous! FINALLY!
- Akiva
Feedly is changing the way I read news on the Web. - http://www.feedly.com
"Sedat", thomas elton, Nicolai Butzki and 49 other people liked this
what do you like better about feedly then friendfeed or others? just curious. I'm trying to cut back, not add more tools, great s they might be. i'm exploding!
- washwords
Can I like this 3x. Thanks for a GREAT recommendation, Bwana. My new fave Firefox extension.
- Leo Laporte
Wow, even the screensaver function is cool...I might be leaning to feedly and away from greader...
- Anthony Farrior
Revisited based on a few 'endorsements' here on FF. Wow. Easy, fast, just cool.
- Charlie Anzman
What are the implications of "no thanks"? Same as "Mark as read"?
- Andrew Smith
@cecily if you get a chance, go to the feedly dashboard (through dashboard link at the top right of the screen) and click on the star next to the sources you like the most and see if the what's new page looks any better. The other option is to click on the "cover" icon on the top left on the nav bar and see if that view is more diggestable. If you have specific ideas on how to make the interface more appealing let us know!
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@andrew no thanks = mark the article as read + let the feedly recommendation engine know that you did not like this recommendation. This metadata is then used with other criteria to unfluence future recommendations.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
@Edwin, thanks, good to know.
- Andrew Smith
@Bwana Where is Feedly video, I love Bwana TV more than Scobleizer TV : ))
- Erhan Erdoğan
Hmm... have speed dial already loaded upon feedly install and cannot find feedly anywhere
- Michael W. May
from twhirl
Mati likes it! :):)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I'm in love!
- Angel Smith
I installed and uninstalled all in 1 minute.
- Aaron Myers
Erhan, thanks :) I need to learn how to utilize it properly before I screencast it...it's coming soon though, I love this thing
- Bwana ☠
Looks promising, but I'm always suspicious of extensions that don't come from Mozilla addons site...
- João Almeida
What do you guys say to the folks who say Feedly crapped all over their Google Reader (adding feeds to it)?
- David Risley
It's in this thread David: http://friendfeed.com/e... We asked for a bigger warning since the one there is easily missed, the Feedly guys chime in as to why they did it that way. It doesn't "crap" all over your feed, it does create new folders, but they are easily removed. They are working on an undo procedure as well.
- Bwana ☠
@Bwana waiting impatiently : )
- Erhan Erdoğan
Oh my lord. I just checked my Google Reader, it's has 2348279384723 new feeds. Thanks Freedly.
- Aaron Myers
want to see converstaion integrated to feedly. then it really rocks. someone out there should get ff and disqus into feedly in an api way.
- kosmar
I was sort of suprised that some were vehement about the "crap". I woke up and still am enthralled.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
I love it!!! The only feature I'd add is the ability to customize how my emailed items look...
- Kenneth LeFebvre
@David Risley fixed. feedly has now a better msg and automated-undo http://edwink.devhd.com/2008...
- Edwin Khodabakchian
I'm really liking Feedly as well. We'll see how it goes
- Shey
iGoogle has been my home page for well over a year and what I have found is that via widgets its generally there for me to either click on gmail or to go into google reader - the other widgets are generally worth an odd glance but thats about it - I've put feedly as my home page and will see how this works out - but first impressions is a clean easy to use interface even if you have a few hundred feeds to juggle..
- Jican
Feedly is awesome: I had a few hiccups after installation, but I re-installed, and it has been a real help in 2 ways: 1) motivated me to clean up my feeds and sort them into a major category 2)motivates me daily to actually skim through and read the content that is closest to my current interests. well done!
- Terri MacMillan
LOVE Feedly.
- Fleagle
I want it for chrome. Any chance?
- Erfun
Not dissing Feedly, but didn't experience anything that made me want to give up Google Reader when I tried Feedly a few months ago. Anyone care to explain why I should try again?
- Chris Stevenson
I don't work for them, so I don't see a reason to convince you. Some people like it, some don't.
- Fleagle
Hi Chris: feedly tries to provide a magazine like summary of your google reader. Some users only care about productivity and find the magazine like interface a step backward. Some users like it and use it in concert with their google reader. Some people prefer using the magazine like interface only.
- Edwin Khodabakchian
The Google Reader to FriendFeed integration is crazy fast. My shares get to FriendFeed before I switch tabs.
Jan Friman, Jenna Bilotta, Brad Fitzpatrick and 33 other people liked this
You are so right. I just shared an item and it arrived in FriendFeed really quickly! Pubsubhubbub?
- Paul Jacobson
Paul, yes: http://googlereader.blogspot.com/2009...
- Mark Trapp
It is due to PubSubHubbub integration ... ah, Mark, you beat me to the punch!
- Paul Jacobson
I thought that was cool, until FriendFeed started pulling in the shares before I clicked on them. It knew _in advance_ what I would have selected.
- Louis Gray
We have reached the future.
- Evan Travers
Louis, that's because FriendFeed *is* Louis Gray
- Jesse Stay
Do I need to update my Google Reader URL in FriendFeed to activate the new change or does it automatically work for everyone who is already importing them?
- Skyler Call
@Skyler Call: It should automatically work.
- Antoniu
321: Yes, it did. Thank you.
- Skyler Call
i want to do this with a specific folder in my reader. by making the folder public, i'm hoping to automatically push those items as shared to FF when there is something new. do you know if this is possible?
- Jim Halligan @jim
from fftogo
i remember before this it could take 30 min or more for a story to post to FF now its like lightening!
- (jeff)isageek
The question is, how fast do you switch tabs? ;)
- Jemm
Jim, you can have FriendFeed pull in the feed for any tag in google reader.
- Rob Diana
Jemm, honestly it must have been 2 seconds. I clicked my last share (or shift-s actually) and then I clicked the friendfeed tab and it was already there.
- Rob Diana
Wow. I shared your post (and Louis Gray's post) in Google Reader, and they hit FriendFeed nearly instantaneously. Now if only Blogger supported the protocol...
- John E. Bredehoft
from fftogo
I tried it just then ... whoa!
- Jay
10 hours later... had to manually refresh my Reader shares :(
- Dominic Jones
Still not working Dominic? I can help debug maybe? If you tell me when you post.
- Brett Slatkin
Brett, I have to commend you and the reader team for their customer service as well. This is one of the few times I have seen googlers openly reacting to issues and not just fixing things.
- Rob Diana
Thanks! =)
- Brett Slatkin
Could staff members have a special icon or some other special identifier? Especially in groups like FriendFeed Feedback that would be very supportive.
Pistos, Alejandro, Kingsley Joseph and Bill Masson liked this
It's all of us at http://friendfeed.com/about..., and http://friendfeed.com/bdarnell who hasn't written his bio yet :)
- Tudor Bosman
I know Tudor. But sometimes one mix up names. A slightly different colored bubble in front of staff comments would be neat. Flickr also has a little "staff" tag below staff comments, why not FF?
- David Schmidt
Friendfeed 1995
Christopher Galtenberg, Quang Tran, arda and 266 other people liked this
That is great :)
- Bret Taylor
Love the URL too :). Except back then it would most definitely have been cwru.edu :)
- Benjamin Golub
Philipp was actually one of our first beta testers...
- Kevin Fox
b65152.student.cwru.edu if it were my computer.
- Paul Buchheit
Hillarious!
- Robert Scoble
from iPhone
We nixed Gopher access at the last minute because we found our gopher servers couldn't handle the load.
- Kevin Fox
Ha! I saved a copy of the Trojan Room Coffee Cam page, complete with captured picture (which I then had to view offline, as I could not configure the Lynx to display in parallel ;-))
- ianf ⌘
Thanks to non-caching of css files, archive.org's first record of FriendFeed isn't all that different: http://web.archive.org/web...
- Kevin Fox
LOL
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
gotta check the wayback machine now.. :)-
- Peter Dawson
I LOVE the Metacrawler part. Nice job.
- Anika
Damn I forgot how much screen real estate browser toolbars used to eat up, especially with those huge buttons.
- Ray Cromwell
I was using friendfeed when I was 10! ;)
- Frankie Warren
This should be a Theme for FF.
- Matt Ruiz
A more accurate URL would have been k2.cwru.edu/~ptb/index.html
- Gabe
Needs moar BLINK tag.
- Rick Cogley
Great
- Charlie Anzman
My first website looked like this. But with less graphics :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
the '1994' internet of Robert ;-)
- Jeroen De Miranda
If we knew then, what we know now!
- Donna Payne
Speaking of which, I always wondered at the default gray background choice of the first Netscape browser(s). It looked too sophisticated to have been accidental. In hindsight, however, someone there must've misunderstood basic usability, e.g. optimal contrast ratios? [And then a year later someone had that unbright idea of turning homepages black for a day's web protest against some...
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- ianf ⌘
ianf: The gray background was the default in Mosaic, so Netscape was just keeping the status quo. The black background protest was against the Communications Decency Act, which would have made lots of innocent speech illegal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki...
- Gabe
Heheh, so true.
- wiredgnome
Obviously fake. :) The menu bar entries are anti-aliased.
- Andy Bakun
Ray Cromwell, with the pixels being so much bigger back then, I suspect that the continued need for button bars was the impetus behind increasing screen resolutions.
- Andy Bakun
hahaha brilliant
- Nicholas Kreidberg
If this was supposed to be March 5, 1995, that was before Sun announced Java, so the coffee pot needing Java joke wouldn't have made sense yet.
- Gabe
Damn, just by me "viewing" the image that mentioned Java, I got a "Java Update Available" window. I'm not kidding, it popped up the second the image loaded... I hate Java. This is a great parody though, good work.
- Joel Strellner
http://ff.im/5TaJQ :)
- cyb
ever notice that none of the blogs on the twitter default list ever mention it when boasting about their sub numbers?
Kingsley Joseph liked this
And then I wrote an article for Microsoft: "View Source has a Posse." http://www.visitmix.com/Error... #pigsflew #hellfrozeover
Ho John Lee, Kingsley Joseph, Eric Florenzano and 2 other people liked this
Its nice and to the point, View source has indeed been massively helpful and gud differentiators against Flash/Air and Silverlight. But where did #hellfrozeover? its only 5 comments on blog post, and abt 6 on FF/twitter in abt 2 hrs !? its all peace. Thanks for nice article :)
- Ashish Tiwari
@Ashish: I have a tendency for the melodramatic. ;)
- Chris Messina
Atheists choose 'de-baptism' to renounce childhood faith - USATODAY.com - http://www.usatoday.com/news...
(jeff)isageek, Thomas Power, Jeff P. Henderson and 43 other people liked this
that just seems silly - especially if you don't believe anyway
- BEX
from Bookmarklet
Exactly, and it's kind of insulting the people who do believe in it. What's funny is that Atheists are always saying that they get insulted when overly religious people put religion all in their face. Nice way to return the favor (rolling my eyes)
- Shevonne
Sort of stupid. So they are performing a superstitious ritual because they don't believe in superstitious rituals?
- The Fat Oracle
How wonderfully idiotic and well, unsurprising in some circles.
- Anika
I know many atheists. I'm an atheist. But I largely keep that to myself. You can believe whatever you want to believe as long as you don't force me to believe it too. I don't know anyone who'd want to go through this pointless de-baptism ceremony. But I disagree with you, Shevonne, that this is in your face. They aren't trying to get you to participate. And it seems like it has value to...
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- Stephen Mack
I meant that they get offended if religious people throw religion in their face, so why do something just as insulting?
- Shevonne
Just a fun fact: Christianity categorizes baptism as an indelible sacrament. Nothing can remove it, not even death So no one would think this ritual has any effect whatsoever. Seems kind of counter-intuitive for people who mock empty ritual to go through with it.
- Alex Scrivener
Atheists can be just as petty and short-sighted as anyone else. But if this is done privately and has value to the participant, so what? Stupid things people do in private ceremonies shouldn't be considered insulting to people who aren't there, right?
- Stephen Mack
Insults are insults even when they're behind the target's back, right?
- Andrew C (✓)
It's not an insult if it's not about anyone else.
- Stephen Mack
Serious question: If I'm a vegetarian, and you're a meat-eater, do any of you consider that an insult too?
- Stephen Mack
Stay classy.
- Derrick
I was a Methodist until the age of 16 but managed to inadvertently avoid a baptism.
- Daniel J. Pritchett
Jason, I actually agree with you, word for word.
- Stephen Mack
Why go through a renouncement framed in religious terms if you're trying to deny religion? It's like saying you want to quit smoking and to do so you start smoking only candy cigarettes.
- Kevin Fox
As far as I know, baptism was begun by the Jews. If this insults anyone it ought to be them. Still, only if it's being done as mockery should anyone feel insulted.
- Jack&Cleo
I guess the reason they do it is they see the whole baptism ceremony as a pointless ritual that is symbolic of indoctrination into a belief system. This would be a way of 'washing away' that indoctrination. I'm not offended in the least. They are not insulting the act of baptism because for them, baptism doesn't mean the same thing.
- Johnny
I think one aspect of this that people are forgetting is that typically, atheists have not formed communities around the very notion of their non-theistic feelings. Ceremonies like this are not rituals in a superstitious sense, but rather a form of symbolism in the framework of a supportive group. just because someone is an atheist it doesn't mean that they don't see meaning in anything.
- George S.
from iPhone
That's really just sad.
- EricaJoy
Jason agreed. But it's annoying. I have no cause to be offended personally as I am not even Christian - just annoys me and offends my logic engine. It's just idiotic and shows lack of respect.
- The Fat Oracle
I guess by that definition, it is just as disrespectful when people convert from one religion to another, no? Does it make it that different if they are renouncing one religion in the name of no religion? (Or a non-theistic one?)
- George S.
George: You could argue that just by _being_ one religion, you are disrespecting all other religions. You don't even need to make a switch.
- Brian Johns
It's just ironic that people who think religious ceremonies are meaningless spectacle go ahead and perform a ceremony that appears from the outside to also be meaningless spectacle. And if you're going to argue that, no, there is meaning and utility in it after all, then why can't religious ceremonies be just as meaningful and useful?
- Victor Ganata
"You're going to be offended only if you allow yourself to be offended. " Isn't that true of any insult, though?
- Andrew C (✓)
Obviously, this is blatant mockery. They wouldn't be doing these baptisms in the first place if it wasn't a religious ceremony to begin with.
- Andru Edwards
I guess I don't see this as mockery, but an honest attempt to shed something they don't want to be attached to. Some people need ceremony for those things, even if they don't feel that an immeasurable force blesses that ceremony. If it makes them feel better, then I'm all for it. What they believe, or don't, doesn't impact my own faith at all.
- Jennifer Dittrich
@Brian: Sure, you're just highlighting the inherent rifts between people of various faiths (or lack thereof). But people are "upset" about this specific "deconversion" because it is a visible act that isn't compatible with their belief system. People don't know what religion you are without an indicating action or obvious visual cue (dress). Anyway, I think that atheists, as a group,...
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- George S.
Hmm. I didn't really believe this to be mockery, until I got to the part where the 'priest' drys the participant with a hair dryer marked "Reason." Yeah, that's mockery. That said, even atheists sometimes require ritual to leave a part of their lives behind. Rituals have value beyond the supernatural. Just, dare I say it, not this one.
- Marty
George, you're right that an atheist has no chance of being elected, but I don't think atheists are particularly persecuted.
- Stephen Mack
Wow. Guess I haven't seen it all yet...
- Joel Robert Perez
Andrea, I don't mean to say atheists face zero persecution. But compared to what, say, Jews or Hindus or Christians or practitioners of Islam have faced?
- Stephen Mack
Stephen, in some circles atheists garner very little respect, and "coming out" as an atheist is often not a prudent action, particularly with regard to family life. For example, I come from a pretty traditional culture where everyone is expected to be Catholic. One challenge is that I am not going to be married in a church, nor will I be baptizing my children. (If my children want to...
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- George S.
I'm chiming in to say my thoughts echo those of Kamath (नमः) "Sort of stupid. So they are performing a superstitious ritual because they don't believe in superstitious rituals?" And "I have no cause to be offended personally as I am not even Christian - just annoys me and offends my logic engine. It's just idiotic and shows lack of respect."
- BEX
Also, I'll admit that as far as "persecution" is concerned, historically, you're right, Stephen, in that other religious groups have experienced much more significant negativity, especially when pitted against each other. The plight of modern atheists (again, who largely keep to themselves) is generally not as serious, but I expect that if as a group they were to "come out" in droves (in this country), there would be a very significant movement against them.
- George S.
Whether it's disrespectful or silly, I think depends largely on the intent. If the participants are seeking psychological benefit, it doesn't seem out of place to me. If their intent is to go "nyah nyah" at their former religion, it does seems strange and counterproductive.
- Lix
Maybe I'm naive, but I do see the atheist population increasing (see http://www.usatoday.com/news... for example), and I don't see a tremendous backlash (yet?). But as Andrea detailed, our society is far from perfect. I stand by my previous statement that many religions face much more serious persecution than atheists. On the other hand, if...
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- Stephen Mack
If atheists perform rituals and ceremonies for psychological benefit, why do they mock religious people for doing the same thing? The more I hear from hard-core atheists, the more it sounds just like another religion.
- Victor Ganata
They mock because those rituals are in the name of something they consider absurd (to be frank). That said, most atheists do NOT do anything like this. What's being described in the article is essentially a form of "initiation" into a club, like any other. However, a religion it is not: they do not have a common set of precepts by which they are leading their [non-]spiritual lives.
- George S.
Victor, exactly NONE of the atheists posting in this thread (whether hardcore or not) have expressed much if any support for this anti-baptism. And as an atheist, I do my best to never mock any other religious person. No other atheist speaks for me.
- Stephen Mack
I'm a pluralist: I want to build bridges[between people of different faiths], not burn them. I deem this de-baptism as something that works against that, as it reinforces a division.
- George S.
I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone here, and maybe I'm just misinterpreting things. But it seems that a lot of atheists make the assertion that they're more rational than people who believe in things that can't be proven to exist. But that assertion itself is an article of faith. To me, the staunch, unbreakable non-belief in something that can't be proven to exist isn't really any more rational. And isn't that the thing that unites every atheist? You have to believe that there is no God, don't you?
- Victor Ganata
I think this is retarded. If you don't believe in G-d and religion, but some stupid anti-baptism ritual makes you feel better about yourself, you obviously need to think a little harder about what you believe.
- Rah-PM 2012
Victor, there's a wide range of atheists. Atheist literally just means "without God." You're describing the so-called "strong atheist" who takes an active belief that there is not a god. Many atheists (including me) are so-called "weak atheists" who simply do not have faith that there is a god. (This is probably a gross oversimplification.) Perhaps I'm more of an agnostic, but to me...
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- Stephen Mack
You don't have to believe there is no God. You just don't believe there is a God. (Sort of like you can't not be on boat.)
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
Heh, I wonder how many people here will stop following me or commenting on my stuff now that they know I'm an atheist.
- Stephen Mack
Lindsey, I think it's just admitting that religion has power.
- Lix
No one can deny that religion has enormous power.
- Stephen Mack
Agreed Matthew!
- Carlton Hackett
I just think it's funny that even atheists have their fundamentalists and their moderates. But I'm not trying to mock anyone's belief or disbelief. As someone who has been struggling with my spiritual beliefs for a while, I'm just always wary about anyone who is blithely certain about things that can't be proven or disproven. I'm not talking about anyone commenting on this thread, but there are definitely people on both sides of the aisle whose fundamentalism is disturbing.
- Victor Ganata
they should do it in reverse. Go into the pool soaking wet and come out dry.
- Joshua Schnell
Matthew, tell me more. Who are the priests of atheism? What's the book? Who's the devil?
- Stephen Mack
What if there was a jewish man that wanted to be un-circumcised?
- Will Higgins™
Joshua - the actual de-baptising ceremony is performed with a hair dryer, not a pool.
- Andrew C (✓)
Will H., uncircumcision has a long history: http://www.cirp.org/library...
- Stephen Mack
This is why I don't associate myself with atheism anymore than any religious group. A lot of what goes on under the banner of Atheism sounds an awful lot like religious nuttery.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
If this is insulting to religious people, isn't baptism insulting to the non-religious. Actually, to everyone who isn't Christian? What's the harm if they do it for themselves, in private, with no expectation to affect anyone else? I'm guessing you haven't seen http://farm1.static.flickr.com/173...
- <3Heather<3
It's not the same, Heather. Religions baptisms don't take a ritual from the atheists and undo it. I see this as the equivalent of displaying a cross upside-down. I really don't understand this need to have a ritual, especially if you don't have a religion telling you how to conduct your life.
- MiniMage, enterRUPPted
But of course they are undoing a ritual - that's the point! They're not making fun of anyone's religion, they are symbolically letting go of their old beliefs (or perhaps the religion that was never their own by choice, but settled on them by their families.)
- m9m, Crone of FriendFeed
I was baptized when I was a baby, I had no choice in it. In the churches eyes, it's something that never goes away. So what does that mean for me, as an atheist? Baptism is a symbol, de-baptising is another, opposite, symbol. It's not taking away from anyone other then the person it's being done to.
- <3Heather<3
For everyone saying that they are not doing this to insult religion. Read the article. "In a type of mock ceremony that's now been performed in at least four states, a robed "priest" used a hairdryer marked "reason" in an apparent bid to blow away the waters of baptism once and for all. Several dozen participants then fed on a "de-sacrament" (crackers with peanut butter) and received...
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- Shevonne
I'm not religious, and I question many things. However, I am someone who does believe in treating others with respect, even if you don't believe in what they believe in. Just cause they do something to you, doesn't mean you have to lower to their standards, or even worse
- Shevonne
Yeah. I've head of this kind of thing before. It's dumb. Really. Atheist here (in case someone missed the hundred other times I mentioned it).
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
is it better the second time?
- Andy Sternberg
That sounds like fun! *ducks and hides* Actually, don't most popular comedians mock things? Isn't SNL all about mocking celebrities, politics and society? I'm pretty sure The Daily Show, The Colbert Report, and other such shows do the same thing. Maybe it is over the top, but how is it actually hurting anyone? Hurt feeling don't count in my book, because it's not fair to count only the hurt feelings of Christians and never the hurt feelings of atheists.
- <3Heather<3
Not all atheists swing this way. Definitely. We just have our lunatic fringe.
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
At least circumcision has health benefits.
- Geoff Schultz {TF}
I think this is pretty funny. Sounds more like a party than a ritual. It's not like they're going door-to-door saying that you'll burn for eternity for not believing what they believe.
- Rob H.
Heh, most health insurances consider the health benefits of circumcision minimal, and won't actually cover it. They consider it a cosmetic procedure.
- Victor Ganata
Silly but harmless, I'd say, much like the "Blasphemy Challenge" or "selling your soul" on eBay. As for respecting the beliefs of others, I don't. I may respect people, but beliefs and opinions are never something I'll simply respect. If you act respectably, then I won't tease you about your belief in alien abductions, 9/11 conspiracy stuff, unicorns, faeries, Xenu, "God" or whatever....
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- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
in baptism you go down in the water and then come back up, symbolizing (in the Christian faith), death with (and living with or in) Christ. Interestingly, Christians were not the only ones to practice baptism. Other religions and ritualistic organizations have done it. There is, realistically, no way to reverse this, except perhaps by going down in the water and NOT coming back up. The...
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- Gary Smith
RTA. Atheist "de-baptism" uses a hair-dryer and that pic is a stock photo of a baptism.
- Rob H.
Robert: Ah. So it's "what a baptism might look like"? :-)
- Gary Smith
Dave- I would buy it if I thought you had one. ;)
- <3Heather<3
so how did we get started on penises? LOL
- BEX
religion and penises go hand in hand, wait...
- sean percival
LMAO I hadn't even thought that it could be taken that way. Which one of us gets blamed for the dirty mind? And ThatDBD, why can't we hang out with other atheists and do silly things like religious people do? I think being atheist shouldn't preclude me from socializing and having fun.
- <3Heather<3
To me, this seems a little too mean-spirited to be "fun". I'm all for Flying Spaghetti Monsters and so on, but this is a direct hit against a particular faith, and that goes a bit far for me. Doesn't help endear us to anyone (for those of us who care to be embraced by the general public at least a *little* bit).
- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
Well, while I don't think too much of this ceremony, I don't fault them for a "direct hit against a particular faith", because it *was* their faith, and it remains meaningful for them to move away from it. Ultimately they're entitled to do what they want. If religious people are confident in their own faith (and believe in freedom of religion), they shouldn't care one way or another about a ceremony like this.
- George S.
((((Kamilah)))) embracing Kamilah
- BEX
My summary (of this important discussion; at least to me) ~ A baptist has a positive disposition toward baptism. An a-baptist has a negative disposition toward it and believes the subverting of baptism is a net good. Finally, an agno-baptist holds a neutral position toward the both, but may take a negative stance on *public* displays of cooped rituals with a passive aggressive tone.
- Micah
There are 2 extremes of atheists in this world: 1. People who just simply don't believe in any god and that is it. Their disbelief is the same as anyone else's disbelief in anything, such as the Tooth Fairy, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness monster, the abominable snowman, space aliens & ufo's. Just like you don't find a need to bring up the subject repeatedly and preach your disbelief in any of...
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- April
I don't see why anybody's getting their panties in a bunch over this. I think it's a reasonable idea. People don't need gods to ceremonially mark occasions, but symbolism has an impact on the way that people think and feel. The symbolism of the baptism ceremony, while obviously meaningless when taken at face value by an atheist, has social and personal significance. A de-baptism is one...
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- Lucas Parker
Agreed with Lucas. Being atheist doesn't mean being not believing in symbolic acts. After all, birthday cakes and raising a flag are symbolic. Getting yourself de-baptized at a private party which no one would ever know about except for a USA Today article is not necessarily meant to be mean-spirited or offensive, either.
- Rob H.
April, there may be some overlap between your two. You're making some broad generalizatons. I put myself in the first camp, but I approve of some bus-side slogans and some amount of protest when religiosity gets out of hand. I don't care much for snarky little gestures like the one described here. If some people are sincere about their needs to be "de-baptized", then, alright, fine, but...
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- Kamilah Reed (K. Gill)
It's also like writing an angry letter you never send or talking when no one can hear you, or posting something "private" or punching a pillow. Should I go on? Yeah it doesn't mean anything, but screaming into a giant hole still makes you feel better. Hell, typing here is meaningless but we are still doing it. By the way, sometimes I'm a 1 atheist, sometimes I'm a 2 atheist (why is a friendly atheist message a huge waste of money?) and sometimes I'm in between. You don't get to pigeon hole us, we wiggle. :)
- <3Heather<3
You know, on a personal note, I just want to say that I don't feel a need to be "de-babtized", and as far as the circumcision is concerned--can't really miss what I can't re-member, as it were. BUT, that said, I do feel resentment on my childhood self's behalf. I was taught matters of "faith" as if they were true, and I was given a sense of guilt for being human and fallible, and I was...
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- Moody (Sweet FA 4 Life)
Good explanation of your perspective, James. I think one of the things that makes religion a tough topic is how it tends to be passed down to children, who often not given a "choice" (at least until they are "on their own"). Part of the reason some atheists can appear to "passionate" about their non-belief may have to do with the fact that they made a conscious decision to explore their...
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- George S.
South Park nails this: http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips...
- George S.
Would I do it? No. Do I think it's silly? Yes - just as much as any religious ritual is - but it's also probably fun to do and a good excuse to meet up and get drunk. Do I think it's deliberately insulting to religion? Not sure as it's impossible to know the reasoning behind each individual's decision to go through with the act. But I would say that if you're religious and you think...
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- Mark H
OMG
- Thomas Power
Um, OK...
- JA Castillo
Apple to Palm: Nuh-uh.
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Is Apple in anti-trust territory here? They've got the portable music market sewn up - keeping competitors out with technical means like this is getting close to going over the edge.
- Matt M (inactive)
Probably not, since it's still possible to sync your mp3s to your Pre. It just won't be as seamless.
- Victor Ganata
I don't know about anti-trust, but I do know that I like Apple less because they are doing this. I have no particular attachment to either company, but in my opinion it's Apple's image, not Palm's, that comes out as the loser is this particular squabble.
- Dylan Bennett
I own a Pre and I could care less since I use Pandora. But if I did care and I used iTunes, that would mean I would have to choose another music manager and probably start buying my mp3's through Amazon. Doesn't Apple want me to buy my mp3's through iTunes? What does it matter that I have the free software on a different device?
- Ron Wening
Does the Pre integration include their DRM-protected files? Or was it just for syncing up MP3 files?
- Matt M (inactive)
I think Apple's fully within their rights to do this. I just like the doublespeak phrasing in the release notes.
- Kevin Fox
n/m... Google answered my question with this error message from a user: “SONG” was not copied because the FairPlay version is not supported by the iPod “Palm Pre”
- Matt M (inactive)
Having been in somewhat of the same situation a few times in the past, while it looks bad to 3rd parties, I'm liable to think that the Pre functionality was hinged on a bug in the iTunes software that Apple wasn't aware of until the publicity of the Pre release. The fact that Apple didn't immediately squelch the bug before the release date leads me to believe this has less to do with...
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- Mark Trapp
I don't understand the threat to Apple if they allow this. If I use iTunes as my default player it is very possible that I'm also purchasing music/videos from the iTunes Store. Whether I have an iPod or not shouldn't Apple encourage the use of their software and store?
- Vaughn
Vaughn - Apple sells hardware. iTunes exists for the iPod - not for other players. 'Other devices' are directly competing with Apple's.
- Joel
Rather than think of it like some feature that gets turned on and off, think about what the Pre was doing: identifying itself as an iPod. Say something happens, Apple has to issue an update that's specific to that iPod. Oh, and by the way, because of the way the update's engineered, it overwrites core system files on the Pre (that wouldn't be there if it were an actual iPod). I see this more as Apple fixing their system to more accurately identify whether something is an iPod.
- Mark Trapp
Mark - I think you nailed it. Regardless of the other issues, Palm was identifying as an iPod, which it isn't. That clarifies the issue for me.
- Matt M (inactive)
no brainer. for for the Pre to be identified as an iPod, it would have to be successful.
- Steve Gillmor
Mark, that sounds like a good explanation. I hadn't heard it presented that way. Maybe it's from my belief in openness but wouldn't it still be more beneficial for Apple to add functionality for other players to sync with iTunes? How much does iTunes drive sales of iPods?
- Vaughn
Vaughn: I don't know, but Apple has spent most of its history using the idea of a closed ecosystem/vertical integration as the basis for the higher quality you get with their products. For example, they use the fact that they developed the operating system, make the hardware, sell the products, and run all the support and training as one of the main points why Macs are better than PCs....
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- Mark Trapp
You're right Mark. There is no reason for them to start being open now.
- Vaughn
...and yet another reason for me to find a way to get rid of iTunes. I already either rip my own CDs or buy from Amazon. But I have both an iPhone (which my wife uses) and a G1 (which I use), so I must simultaneously use iTunes and *not* use iTunes, which blows. Apple's perfectly within their rights to do preclude non-Apple devices, but it absolutely sucks for me as a user.
- Joel Webber
@Joel - oh yeah, the current situation is brutal. Not only can iTunes only load music on iPods, but you can't load music on an iPod without hacking the library format, so everyone else is forced to hack brittle iPhone support into their products. DoubleTwist looks promising, though they don't support iPhone OS 3.0 yet: http://www.doubletwist.com/dt...
- Matt M (inactive)
Fascinating report on psychologoical studies: 10 rules that govern groups: http://www.spring.org.uk/2009... via @gnat in http://radar.oreilly.com/2009...
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I am Matt Thomas : VideoPress for WordPress.org - http://iammattthomas.com/2009...
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"I love the music, what is it?"
- Matt Mullenweg
Sounds to me like Tito Puente, but I'm sure there are lots in that space...
- Steve and 3 other people
Penny Arcade is hiring! From rec: "Although not required, a level 80 Alliance character would be helpful." http://www.linkedin.com/jobs...
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Also: "The ability to handle side and underspin using either shakehand or penhold grip is critical."
- Stephen Mack
Last weekend my 4YO son took off his bathing suit, threw it in the pool, and announced, "I need a snack and a nap!" Future F500 CEO?
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he seems to have all the makings. time to buy him some golf clubs?
- Kingsley Joseph
Formats are like trees, microbes and cockroaches (Scripting News). http://www.scripting.com/stories...
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Frequent RT @nytimeskristof China has blocked the use of "June 4" in Internet postings. So people are referring to the crackdown on "May 35"
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This made me laugh so hard yesterday that I... - http://tylercoates.tumblr.com/post...
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"This made me laugh so hard yesterday that I referenced it in conversation today."
- Derrick
from Bookmarklet
LOL!
- WoH: Minding her Steves
I lol'ed so loud that people were looking into my office.
- Derrick
is it really that bad? if so, i need to reconsider my plan to eventually steal a copy off the internet....damn, that's pretty bad...
- Morgan
Morgan, I liked it enough. But I think I'm gonna have to follow this lady on Twitter, cause she's up to her eyeballs in funny.
- Derrick
is it worth 11.50? dammit! I wanted this movie to be at least good enough that I don't start laughing while watching it...dammit, dammit! That's it! Me and what's his face are so done professsionally....you know, the snapperhead that plays the lead....what's his name again?
- Morgan
I did a 6.50 matinee at the Vista in Silverlake.
- Derrick
ok, 6.50 works, even with the laughing....maybe i'll have to check it out. when does the manitee discount expire...and yes, i am aware that i wrote manitee. if you knew me, you would understand....
- Morgan
Sux?:d
- Amir
LOL! I paid too :( Up side for me - best nap I ever had!
- Shane
That made me bust a nut.
- Mark Krynsky
Wow! I didn't think it was that bad. Am I an idiot? Maybe so, because I kinda liked it. I guess my taste sucks and I would fail as a movie critic.
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Not at all Anthony - different strokes and all that. I've not seen it yet so I don't know how good/bad I'll find it.
- WoH: Minding her Steves
LMAO
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
That's pretty bad, then, lol.
- Rick Cogley
LOL :-D
- Anna Haro
there are few consumer level web 2.0 apps well suited for manipulating thousands of feeds.
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more importantly, thousands of feeds with thousands of items. Cant wait for GReader API! Pipes & YQL is teh suck for now.
- Kingsley Joseph
Astroturfing++ by "China's 50 cent army" http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/columns... Interesting form of cyber-warfare. Certified web propagandists #gov20
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a large population was once a strategic advantage for nations, before heavy weaponry. it may turn out to be relevant again.
- Kingsley Joseph
With friends like the Libertarian Party, libertarians sure don't need any enemies.
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Yeah, those guys are ass-holes.
- Alex Scrivener
@cristo: nope.
- Anthony Citrano
Rex Hammock: "Spammers are making a joke out of the Trending Topics feature." http://twdsc.us/6.html
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it was only a matter of time
- Kingsley Joseph
I need more than just one page of best of day entries. That page doesn't provide me with enough and it doesn't do the people I follow justice.
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I don't even know how to get to the Best of Day page anymore.
- Akiva
I find it funny that my BoD is usually filled with people I've removed from my home feed, unsubbed from or don't follow anyway.
- Anika
Just post some lolcats, Akiva. ;)
- Brome
Akiva...you don't see the link under your friends area? *wondering if he's drunk*
- Mark Krynsky
How dare you expect me to notice something so centrally located and bloody obvious.
- Akiva
Wondering? I hope not? ;-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
And, no, I'm not drinking.
- Akiva
I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt Akiva. I can't help you from here on out.
- Mark Krynsky
That's okay: I have long since gone way beyond help.
- Akiva
It's kind of odd that I have this whole bar and no desire to drink it by myself.
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Oh really Mathew? Where you live? I'm crossing my fingers hoping you live close by and depending on the alcohol in your bar I may increase the distance I'm willing to travel :)
- Mark Krynsky
StL says the geek at the pc. :) I do drink I just need the peeps. Friendfeeders are always welcome to my F&B. :)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Pics of alcohol to follow. :-P
- Mathew A. Koeneker
Well St Louis is a bit outside my alcohol traveling radius but if I'm ever in the area...
- Mark Krynsky
:)
- Mathew A. Koeneker
FriendFeed? This is me. - http://friendfeed.com/e...
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what a lovely couple - break out the USB rings! :)
- WoH: Minding her Steves
hahahhahaa! Hey wof? I thought I was subscribed to you but your bubble's white. Bizarre! Fixed.
- Mona Nomura
@WoH
- anna sauce
thats totally me right now.
- Anika
TOTAL Night crew status omg HAHAHAHA
- Mona Nomura
LMFAO!!! I do that with my laptop in the bed
- Rah-PM 2012
I.do.that. I bought an Asus EEE just to do that. *frowns, sighs, hangs head, turns around and walks into the distance*
- The Fat Oracle
genius! ... I'm definitely gonna try this tonight!
- Jay
hahaha
- Kyle Lacy
oh goodness I just really looked at this picture. it so fits me right now becuase i am trying to stay awake until the season premiere of House
- R. Ferguson
how can I get my setup like so?
- Justin Korn
22inch screen rotated to portrait --->
- Johnny
You know, if you are looking at your monitor rotated clockwise and look at this, it looks normal :)
- Justin Korn
HAHHHAHAHAHA Jason, I'm on a conference call and LAUGHED OUT LOUD!
- Mona Nomura
@Jason hilarious!
- anna sauce
Painfully true
- Majento
You have to tell me.. is FriendFeed as good as everyone says in bed? :P
- Tim Hoeck
I don't think Mona is the kiss and tell type...
- WoH: Minding her Steves
and work desk ---->http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/ny...
- Stefano
hang on, I think I've just about got the configuration mapped...
- WoH: Minding her Steves
that's hardcore friendfeeding :-)
- Dobromir Hadzhiev
Wow...
- Anthony K. Valley ©
Hahahhahaa And a few months later, this is *still* me!
- Mona Nomura
...and you're still a lovely couple :D
- WoH: Minding her Steves
Hahaha! Looking at all the older posts is making me nostalgic. My feed is now boring filled with Tweets. I'm going to start posting fun stuff again.
- Mona Nomura
Why not do that with an iPhone or something?
- Rishabh Mishra (p248)
Because it wouldn't be as funny!
- Mona Nomura
iPhone won't work in this application anyway: it keeps rotating the screen...don't ask me why I know that....
- Rob Michael (Atmos Trio)
That is me except with the blanket pulled over my head and iphone in hand when I'm supposed to be sleeping!
- Violet Mae Lim
That is beautiful! (I was doing this last night but on my back with the computer on my tummy)
- Martha
=)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
- Saop
this is a real photo of every friendfeed user :))
- Alooché
you really should have a flat-panel mounted on the wall.
- shaun mclane
Scott - jealous - I want 8 gb of memory
- Brent - Yes I am
I would have used keyboard as pillow! :-)
- Rohit Shah
Hilarious! Great post Mona!
- Fossil Huntress
man, this is so old - amazing! :) September time...imagine someone replying to a tweet that long ago. #WHYILOVEFRIENDFEED
- Zee.
This is total win. But an aside: how is that pillow thingy, or anything else, _that_ much fuchsia?!
- Micah
Love! Make it fftogo on a phone and it's me at night.
- David Cook
Just learned a new acronym about "Hippo": Highest Paid Person's Opinion. Bad for website decisions.
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HiPPO is often used in the context of website optimization. Take a typical SEM scenario- Google AdWords keyword driving users to a landing page. How do you determine the best combination of imagery, messaging, call to action buttons, etc. to present on the landing page to drive conversion. For many customers, the HiPPO makes these decisions. Unfortunately, the HiPPO rarely gets it right. Website optimization is about using data to determine the best combination of factors on a page to drive conversions.
- Tom Wentworth
I'll have to use this.
- Louis Gray
yeah I just learned that a couple of months ago.
- Stefan Hayden
and the best part is the visual image that goes with it... HIPPO throwing its weight around...
- Lucretia Pruitt
bad for ANY decisions
- Tom Guarriello
Louis you probably ARE the Hippo at your company
- Jeremiah Owyang
Jeremiah, that's not true. I wish.
- Louis Gray
Two stages to corporate purchasing: 1) The poor sap that does the research, due diligence, builds a relationship, negotiates, prints out an email 2) The guy that writes the check to his brother-in-law's company
- Andy Murdoch
Smack in the middle of HiPPO pool at my work. Very frustrating
- John Frost
I attended an Analytics workship where Avinash Kaushik recommended landing page testing as the most effective way to neutralize a HIPPO. They tested several LP designs, one that reflected the opinions of the HIPPO, marketing manger and janitor. The janitor's page won.
- Lorna Li
Mike Arrington and I disagree on the future - http://scobleizer.com/2009...
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But how do you get more people to use FriendFeed?
- Theodora
Theodora's right, if nobody is giving FF any metadata to seach, it's all kind of useless.
- Pat Hawks
Pat and Theodora: I see a lot of people using friendfeed and more will come in future.
- Robert Scoble
There's a ton of metadata coming into FF, traditional 'social media' sites like Twitter and FaceBook are only a portion. Not to mention the amount of content that is generated within FF itself (see my feed for an example search for FF generated content). As for getting more people to use FF: show them your feed. The standard interface has a tab for 'Me and Friends' that is a publicly viewable representation of what you see in your feed. Share that with others, let them see it for themselves.
- FFing Enigma
Not exactly, Robert. I threw the filter as an example, it lets you confirm for yourself that there is native content on FF. You don't have to use that filter to see said content, though: it's streaming through your feed as we speak. Even if people stopped feeding in their other services, there would still be content here. That's the point I was trying to make.
- FFing Enigma
Hrm... It would appear the comments to which I was replying have been deleted. <sarcasm> Love when that happens </sarcasm>
- FFing Enigma
This is really good - nice video commentary on this - totally agree. Interesting to watch FB try to use their "metal detector" isn't it? :)
- Susan Beebe
Jason: if that were true, Twitter would be dead. It only has 10-20 million on it where Facebook has 200 million.
- Robert Scoble
Hey, no worries Robert, and I'm sorry for seeming to be calling you out. It's just there have been occasions where comments were deleted and the author didn't come back to explain why (as you have graciously done just now). As for looking wrong: don't worry about that, we're all wrong A LOT. Leaving the comment and responding anew to admit you've learned something can be helpful to others =)
- FFing Enigma
This blog post fails to parry Arrington's main point: sure there's tons of data on FriendFeed but as Theodara asked more to Arrington's point: "But how do you get more people to use FriendFeed?" sorry Scoble #Fail
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
Shawn: see my point above about the 'Me Plus Friends' tab in the std FF interface. That's the PERFECT tool for spreading FF around to others: they get to see what your feed looks like without being logged in. Sadly, to few people choose to use that tool
- FFing Enigma
@Tina that's pretty awesome idea; I've seriously never looked at that before, I've really only interacted with the main feed. Your blog post is forthcoming, rIght?
- sofarsoShaw BAZINGA!
It didn't get nearly as much attention as it deserved with the last release. I really hope they keep it, it's a perfect tool for spreading the FF word.
- FFing Enigma
This is the single most important post from Scoble I've listened to in years. Robert - you clearly get it. Not many others do. Let's go build it? I've got the missing links that FF, FB, and Twitter don't have. Come up to the 206 and I'll show you.
- Brian Daniel Eisenberg
How do you get more people to use FriendFeed ? Illustrate it, talk about it in your twitter network, evangelize. But it will take time because people have invested a lot of energy in gaining "followers".
- Ahsan Ali
Don't let the nasty man Arrington bully you !
- Adrian
FriendFeed search needs a better search query language! You had a good question but the translation into FriendFeed's query language isn't transparent. "I want you to find the original picture that someone sent in from their iPhone over Twitter." should be easily translatable into something like "hudson river (plane OR airplane) link:to_pic order:date_asc". I'm not very familiar with FriendFeed's search, but I really miss to be able to search for a specific link or any post with a link included.
- Richard Metzler
If FriendFeed is a better service than Twitter (or other similar services), it will eventually become more popular. I believe a superior technical solution does eventually triumph provided that the competition didn't have too much of a head start. As example we have IE losing market share inspite of all its adavantages, Gmail (and Google) overwhelming companies like Yahoo! and AOL and others with superior search service, email service, etc etc. On the other hand Windows OS continues to dominate.
- Rajesh Sharma
A must-have feature to FriendFeed (and other microblogging services): categorization! I want follow "education" posts from friend X but I don't care about his thoughts on "american football" (I'm european...).
- António Teixeira
Antonio, filters should give you that capability: you can search for posts from person X and in the contains field type -football.
- FFing Enigma
Twitter has "won" against Rejaw, Plurk, Identi.ca, Jaiku, and Pownce - it's not really in the same game as FriendFeed...
- Nathan Chase
The ability to filter links is the main thing that keeps me coming back to Twitter search. I don't really care about tweets without links because they don't point me to interesting stuff. There's probably some roundabout way to search Friendfeed the same way, but then you run into the relatively small amount of users there. I do hope that changes. And I'd be stoked if Facebook came up with a Friendfeed-type search.
- Tom Landini
I agree with Nathan. Your Hudson analogy is like comparing the encyclopedia to the library. You said yourself when you go to FF you used a "filtering system". I simply added the word "photo" to your query and the first twitter post sent me to wikipedia. At the bottom of the page (under external links) it sent me right to Janis Krums twitpic. I found it in less time than it took me on FF, using the same query.
- Ro (Lilyhill)
I was searching on Google yesterday & one of the hits was a twitter posting. First time I've seen that.
- amygeek
re tech superiority winning the day...QWERTY keyboards were invented to slow typists don so they wouldn't jam the mechanical typewriter. It's market penetration virtually blocked superior performing human/machine interfaces to this day. Beta versus VHS and PC versus Macintosh. Kenneth Arrow called this the law of increasing returns and was nearly laughed out of economics until he found...
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- Tom Miles
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FriendFeed Blog: Find and subscribe to your Twitter friends on FriendFeed - http://blog.friendfeed.com/2009...
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"We've just added a friend importer for Twitter so you can easily find and subscribe to your Twitter friends who are already on FriendFeed."
- Bret Taylor
from Bookmarklet
Try it out here: https://friendfeed.com/setting...
- Bret Taylor
oh finally. also it's more usable than twitter's thanks.
- Eren Emre Kanal
was thinking about this earlier - want Flickr too - deperately!
- Phill Price
Hurrah!
- Andrew Trinh
Aweseomeness and YES, definitely build the same thing for Flickr.
- Thomas Hawk
Finally, great news!
- Justin Stevens
O neat.
- Bec Rowe @d0tski
Cool!
- Vicky
704 of your Twitter friends use FriendFeed. You are already subscribed to all of them.
- Thomas Hawk
Thanks a bunch. Exactly what I needed
- Christopher Howie
Nice! Just used it, thanks to the FF team. There were a couple odd mis-matches that I caught, though: Thomas Rauscher (https://friendfeed.com/wuz) != @hotdogsladies
- Micah
I'm confusednow! I think I need it the otherway around :)
- Vicky
Sooo. Does this collect non ff twitter users?
- Phill Price
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome. I also almost posted about such a feature this morning. I guess in theory I could create imaginary friends for all the twitter users I follow that are NOT on FriendFeed... is there a way to automate that? And then perhaps convert them to non-imaginary friends once they join? :)
- Dylan Parker
Some are not who they say they are.. Got a few in my list 'Mark Hobbs @patricknorton, Ron Perrella @leolaporte (private feed)' Other than those, great stuff, thought id done something like this to start with when i first signed up, guess not.
- Simon Wicks
Good stuff - thanks ...
- Patrick Jordan
Simon: we do our best to make sure someone is who they say they are before recommending them but a few could slip through the cracks. Your feedback definitely helps find the outliers.
- Benjamin Golub
oh we can also search other twitter users' friends, nice.
- Eren Emre Kanal
Been waiting for this! Thanks FriendFeed!!!!!!
- Patrick Lightbody
Benjamin: Good stuff :)
- Simon Wicks
The only slight issue, which is not a big deal, is when people add other people's Twitter feeds to their FriendFeed account. In the search I got results for people who have added other people's Twitter feed to their FF account instead of the actual owners of the Twitter accounts I am following. I do this with imaginary friends. They must not know what imaginary friends are for.
- Rolf Schewe
This is cool! But noticing some bugs too. I.e. twitter/techcrunch goes to john rocker etc.
- jho
Jauder: In that case it is likely because http://friendfeed.com/techcru... doesn't have @techcrunch added as a service. Once it is added we should recommend the correct FriendFeed account.
- Benjamin Golub
Sweet. That was easy. Nice job.
- Andrew Smith
awesome
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
No worries, I scanned the list manually and it added fine. I would suggest giving the ability to add to more than one list though. I created a new list called Twitter but would the people I just added be added to the home feed too?
- jho
Hmm. It found 3 twitter friends for me, and none of the corresponding FF users are correct. Weird. [looks again] Oh, I get it...none of them are actually on FF, it's just that other people have imported their twitter accounts. Ugh.
- Ken Sheppardson
any chance we can get imaginary friends created automatically for twitter friends that are not using friendfeed?
- berkay
so so good...
- Zee.
BTW, there's a third party app for this. https://twitter2ff.appspot.com It can sync both ways.
- Ken Sheppardson
nice thanks ken - was wanting something that went FF to Twitter as well
- Marco(aureliusmaximus)
Oops. Smooth. Overwhelming. Added 62 & sent 8 requests. Simply good. Waiting for the big news wave now :)
- Markus Merz
this would really rock if you could do it for Flickr as well. It would also be interesting if FF was smart enough to delete imaginary friends with the real ones as they show up at FF.
- Thomas Hawk
Find your twitter friends on friendfeed
- Sean
Given I can put in any user ID, I can pull in any followers on Twitter, period. Shouldn't this tie in to the account you have registered?
- Louis Gray
It prepopulates with the account you have registered, but we let you type in any account because the info is available on Twitter, and you may have a Twitter account that you have chosen not to connect to FriendFeed.
- Bret Taylor
Thanks, Bret.
- Louis Gray
OK, don't everybody try to import @scobleizer's friends at once.
- Ken Sheppardson
Bret, make sure you add the link to this importer to http://friendfeed.com/about...
- Atul Arora
Nice. Thanks, Bret.
- Steven Perez
Sorry, I have a question Houston http://friendfeed.com/e...
- Erhan Erdoğan
Erhan: we have some logic in place to figure out who "owns" a Twitter account so we always attempt to recommend the correct user.
- Benjamin Golub
Benjamin: Really wonder about this logic? Can you explain it?
- Erhan Erdoğan
nice brett, next find and subscribe to facebook friends already on FF
- Bob Sonin
Bob, the Facebook app already finds which of your fb friends are on FriendFeed: http://apps.facebook.com/friendf...
- Paul Buchheit
Nice! Import Twitter friends to FF. That is great.
- Drew Lucas
from BuddyFeed
It was about time... Thanks!
- Alexandros Georgiadis
oops, forgot about that
- Bob Sonin
wasnt there some tool for that... or maybe that was the other way around - intreresting for sure. However, actually think I know my friendfeed people better than them on Twitter, so I´ll see
- Peter Efland
Darnell: The Facebook app finds your Facebook friends are on FriendFeed: http://apps.facebook.com/friendf.... We plan to support other services.
- Benjamin Golub
This is awesome. Thank you so very much.
- Sloan Bowman
this was realy helpful. thanks!
- graham mudd
This didn't work for me. Oh well.
- Robert Scoble
That's what you get for having thousands of followers.
- Richard A.
That worked *really* well. Hmm, maybe I'll just unsub those folks on Twitter as long as they are bringing their feed in here. Sorry, Twitter.
- Laura Norvig
Oh, I don't typically dig that deep. Wouldn't that require TweetDeck or using Twitter search? You're right, though, if I happen to be on Twitter and someone asks an interesting question, sometimes it's nice to see the replies of the people I *do* follow.
- Laura Norvig
Thanks for the great feedback everyone! We just pushed some fixes that should make our recommendations even more accurate based on your feedback.
- Benjamin Golub
Sorry Twitter but I couldn't help myself after a few hiccups today. I HOPE you understand
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